From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jun 27 09:29:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA29577 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 09:29:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA29562 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 09:29:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA24093; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 16:29:43 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id SAA14433; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 18:29:38 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980627182937.40983@follo.net> Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 18:29:37 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: Wes Peters , fpawlak@execpc.com, drifter@stratos.net Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Does it's true? References: <19980627034631.A944@stratos.net> <199806270857.CAA17321@softweyr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199806270857.CAA17321@softweyr.com>; from Wes Peters on Sat, Jun 27, 1998 at 02:57:26AM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Jun 27, 1998 at 02:57:26AM -0600, Wes Peters wrote: > My hidden microphone recorded (drifter@stratos.net) saying: >>> Overall you are probably better for it. In the US there are >>> entirely too many guns walking around. Some of these kids with >>> ^^^^ ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^ >> >> Interesting choice of words, possibly indicative of perspective? >> Personification of guns, or "guns walking around", is probably >> a phrase uttered by a gun-control advocate, whereas "criminals walking >> around with guns" is maybe more likely to be spoken of by an NRA advocate. > > No, it's well known that guns walk around by themselves here in > the USA. Sometimes they have people attached to them, but the > people are not responsible for any crimes committed, because the > problem is the guns. The people attached to the guns are just > another class of victim. > > Right, Frank? No, "Wrong, Wes." There are clear problems with having a large amount of handguns. Handguns are more effective weapons than knives, thus you get more dead people when criminals use guns instead of knives. This happen when you allow people to get weapons that are intended for use on humans easily, and is worsened by a culture (e.g, the US culture) where it is considered OK to murder people. (If you, the reader, say to yourself that you don't consider it OK, then you'd better be actively opposing the use of death penalty - otherwise you've just turned your logic off in what you say to yourself) Eivind, who comes from the country in the world with the second highest count of guns per person and with 1 killing per 100,000 citizens per year. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message