From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 1 13:23:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5EB03101 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 13:23:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wi0-x241.google.com (mail-wi0-x241.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::241]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EC89D14C8 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 13:23:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wi0-f193.google.com with SMTP id ca18so1155441wib.4 for ; Sun, 01 Dec 2013 05:23:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=5q1A4HYWREJlumtmqxjRIqz8i/ls0gyrK8a03PbUlC4=; b=ZfDTcWswqbw/4tu6JMh/VVBUlMOhkdFrB+0CElWMK493u+RUaJhAS8txG8oj0zXOaK UyNlAufYt6k4T36dTeaWTIC9QErywH8rrVDIb3MwOeo7smE/YLz7isb5Sa4GkbA9/qTz NU40He6dW0op3MW/2nCp0pF2M2Bk44P9PxptkJF2H5DFI7qfmAkkcytACUPvaIbLRW5J dir87P2KrbUGyfkbPE23GrgYaquWJ4K5jKrnXEqX4dqqeWV4BW9W+IyxghQLxzk+OzZw wapO5w3R+yQJE30GtGW1KgruzGJiqfPQoZ/Dr7voYDPg4qKUHPezfeHbpr9mXbHVkc+1 ZNkw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.20.202 with SMTP id p10mr5432274wje.39.1385904183227; Sun, 01 Dec 2013 05:23:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.80.3 with HTTP; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 05:23:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.80.3 with HTTP; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 05:23:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 05:23:03 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Activar memoria USB From: Javier Dominguez To: questions@FreeBSD.org, dominguez.1476.jd@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.16 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2013 13:23:05 -0000 Dominguez.javier340@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 1 14:23:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C3F45EA4 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 14:23:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from avasout07.plus.net (avasout07.plus.net [84.93.230.235]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E8571770 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 14:23:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.68] ([31.185.194.24]) by avasout07 with smtp id wEPJ1m0010Y3Cvz01EPK2c; Sun, 01 Dec 2013 14:23:19 +0000 X-CM-Score: 0.00 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=Z9fVQhhA c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=nD1E1HL59k9I5EBiANpUSQ==:117 a=nD1E1HL59k9I5EBiANpUSQ==:17 a=0Bzu9jTXAAAA:8 a=2YU7Ix1lbqoA:10 a=SA0AqM4Yr6UA:10 a=ihvODaAuJD4A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=DFSPO8yIoDkA:10 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=A95Tc3VSZklpiNgvmDcA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 Message-ID: <529B4657.3040201@mansionfamily.plus.com> Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2013 14:23:19 +0000 From: james User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: pkg-ng problem, how do I recover? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list Reply-To: james@mansionfamily.plus.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2013 14:23:26 -0000 How can I recover from this? root@nas:~ # pkg update -f Updating repository catalogue digests.txz 100% 1093KB 1.1MB/s 1.1MB/s 00:01 packagesite.txz 100% 5886KB 1.4MB/s 2.0MB/s 00:04 pkg: sqlite: database disk image is malformed (pkgdb_repo.c:545) Incremental update completed, 0 packages processed: 0 packages updated, 372 removed and 13769 added. pkg: No digest falling back on legacy catalog format pkg: http://pkg.FreeBSD.org/freebsd:9:x86:64/latest/repo.txz: Not Found root@nas:~ # Earlier, I tried to pkgupgrade, but it seemed to get into a loop with docbook claiming malformed info, so I quit that. This is: root@nas:~ # uname -a FreeBSD nas 9.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 9.2-RELEASE #0 r255898: Thu Sep 26 22:50:31 UTC 2013 root@bake.isc.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 root@nas:~ # From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 1 16:22:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6E62FD45 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 16:22:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from oneyou.mcmli.com (oneyou.mcmli.com [IPv6:2001:470:1d:8da::100]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 35BB81C29 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 16:22:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sentry.24cl.com (sentry.24cl.com [IPv6:2001:470:89e9:1:feed::1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "sentry.24cl.com", Issuer "Mike's Certificate Authority" (verified OK)) by oneyou.mcmli.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3dXZTz3SrRz1DPX for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 11:21:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from BigBloat (bigbloat.24cl.home [10.20.1.4]) by sentry.24cl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3dXZTx72SRz1Bjc for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 11:21:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <201312011121580096.005D00FB@smtp.24cl.home> In-Reply-To: References: <201311301303210813.05DE187E@smtp.24cl.home> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2013 11:21:58 -0500 From: "Mike." To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gmirror, gpart and MBR vs GPT in the Handbook Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2013 16:22:02 -0000 On 11/30/2013 at 2:17 PM Warren Block wrote: |On Sat, 30 Nov 2013, Mike. wrote: | | [snip] | |> Is there a specific reason why MBR was used in the Handbook |> example for creating a mirror, instead of GPT? | |Yes, there was, see the last paragraph of the Metadata Issues |subsection, |http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/geom-m irror.html#geom-mirror-metadata | |[snip] ============= A question about the wording of that paragraph. The second sentence states: "Because GPT partition schemes also store metadata at the end of the disk, mirroring full GPT disks with gmirror(8) is not recommended." The word "full" is ambiguous. Is it to mean, "full" as in 'full of data', or "full" as in 'the entire disk'? Thanks. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 1 17:21:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D099CDF3 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 17:21:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8196D10CD for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 17:21:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id rB1HLZu9006005; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 10:21:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) with ESMTP id rB1HLZBT006002; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 10:21:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 10:21:35 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: "Mike." Subject: Re: gmirror, gpart and MBR vs GPT in the Handbook In-Reply-To: <201312011121580096.005D00FB@smtp.24cl.home> Message-ID: References: <201311301303210813.05DE187E@smtp.24cl.home> <201312011121580096.005D00FB@smtp.24cl.home> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 01 Dec 2013 10:21:35 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2013 17:21:36 -0000 On Sun, 1 Dec 2013, Mike. wrote: > On 11/30/2013 at 2:17 PM Warren Block wrote: > > |On Sat, 30 Nov 2013, Mike. wrote: > | > | [snip] > | > |> Is there a specific reason why MBR was used in the Handbook > |> example for creating a mirror, instead of GPT? > | > |Yes, there was, see the last paragraph of the Metadata Issues > |subsection, > |http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/geom-m > irror.html#geom-mirror-metadata > | > |[snip] > ============= > > > A question about the wording of that paragraph. The second > sentence states: > > "Because GPT partition schemes also store metadata at the end of > the disk, mirroring full GPT disks with gmirror(8) is not > recommended." > > > The word "full" is ambiguous. Is it to mean, "full" as in 'full > of data', or "full" as in 'the entire disk'? It means mirroring an entire disk, including boot blocks and metadata, rather than just parts of it like partitions or filesystems. I'll work on rewriting that paragraph for clarity. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 1 17:28:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1417AEC4 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 17:28:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail5.networktest.com (mail5.networktest.com [204.109.60.142]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D049310F5 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 17:28:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail5.networktest.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C72C2FCCA2 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 09:18:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail5.networktest.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail5.networktest.com [127.0.0.1]) (maiad, port 10024) with ESMTP id 94181-08 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 09:18:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from tejay.local (cpe-172-249-28-59.socal.res.rr.com [172.249.28.59]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: dnewman@networktest.com) by mail5.networktest.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id ABBC22FCC96 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 09:18:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <529B6F77.4090806@networktest.com> Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2013 09:18:47 -0800 From: David Newman Organization: Network Test Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Official FreeBSD Binary Packages now available for pkgng References: <5271BC11.1010303@FreeBSD.org> <5271D5BA.9060004@networktest.com> <5272D3A5.7010308@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <5272D3A5.7010308@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2013 17:28:25 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 10/31/13 3:03 PM, Bryan Drewery wrote: > On 10/30/2013 11:31 PM, Olivier Nicole wrote: >> Hi, >> >>>> You can now either continue to use ports with >>>> portmaster/portupgrade, as before or switch to using binary >>>> packages only. >> >> I strongly expect that ports will remain a standard feature in >> the later releases of FreeBSD. >> >> Packages may be nice for the home/desktop user, but when it comes >> to production servers, one wants to be able to tweak what he is >> installing. >> >> FreeBSd is certainly my choice of an OS when I need to install a >> server, but if it ends up looking like Microsoft, I will have to >> reconsider. >> >> The cost of recompiling a port is way worth the flexibility it >> offers. >> >> Olivier > > Completely agreed. However, you should not be compiling anything on > your production machines! It is dangerous because of shlib bumping; > you may have a broken system. It is dangerous due to dependencies > being updated before other ports are, possibly breaking those. It > also adversely affects your performance and load. The list goes on. > Building on production is a big risk of downtime. > > I recommend setting up ports-mgmt/poudriere on a good > non-production-facing box and building packages to your own liking > with your own OPTIONS on there. Then you can serve out your own > pkg repository to your production machines. Poudriere is exactly > what the FreeBSD project is using to build packages as well. Do you have a recommendation for migrating from a current setup using portmaster to an all pkg setup? When building systems I always choose the 'developer' option in sysinstall. I'd love to lose that for production machines but don't know if a 'downgrade' to lose the compiler is possible. Thanks! dn > > https://fossil.etoilebsd.net/poudriere/doc/trunk/doc/pkgng_repos.wiki > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.22 (Darwin) Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJSm293AAoJEDoYs7vtFALaTBUP/2PCM9NhCLUhV/i1cgHzhEJY y1LwcSDvQfNq5m+YqN/xzBUqbCQVOCTPijmv+v+/21PiVlaH4afGcg9o5M8DWnYg /F73rePccCKjOD9fDM0L6QrV2IPECUc4EIe3GXHE8Le807D8bqH2Y84BdI77Vlax k6XmbJ1PgHYTWsk4RzKmWehRtvC6tfqNcCEqFryjHD66CDhMEfUUYVxqbe6CWK6+ 9PRFBdnkMt+OGAqGPnzCHHWxe0Cg9uxzQwAf+fPRiAn/qVl3LvI5AIejurrXq40s KgKqXXfuE4ehIqkw876mRM4M6Ohyz35+XdWMexgO1jaxPxu1mhFA85idNqdQXjW3 /OGIzdwrUhAWXjl+V9TY8qnZa1IhNinwdEPHBohhAmR8DzIzeyapvPZgflQjEBbk eVgZGv7B7mtO+tPQgJe+AoHLWst4ASALQy/uY0RIvmr3K2iHhfe7crCV959LmWUK M9o74PE91EDcIvR+PfxJv2xJAdS4gffkL7T6sZtN2KsMGjfmVoQ6UplGBG5KuMoq OeTAer3i22PqvRPkbZ83ZEbAqfWIz/fhZQUonGAby6h716stM98LruYJnXKh8uev ANZSziOYlgnyK4uKaFOCcZnrhsauEYqQYOMF87/prK92dJaeG1aORAoC8wMH8nUU Y1qAREUm4XcMUbJQRnBn =fh6O -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 1 17:31:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 293923D2 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 17:31:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay.mail.sohu.net (relay.mail.sohu.net [220.181.20.13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4535114B for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 17:31:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from haraka_router_25252 (unknown [192.168.95.125]) by relay.mail.sohu.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3dXc154BQGz2ZdFw for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 01:30:33 +0800 (CST) Received: via haraka outbound.js at Mon, 02 Dec 2013 01:30:33 +0800 X-SOHU-Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from WIN-B383RPTB017 ([192.168.95.125]) by haraka_router_25252 (Haraka/2.0.5) with ESMTP id F5B6FEA4-6EA0-46AF-8D8C-A784490E74E5.1 envelope-from ; Mon, 02 Dec 2013 01:30:33 +0800 Received: from WIN-B383RPTB017 (unknown [124.42.200.95]) by relay68.mail.sohu.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 3dXc1626FzzY7yV for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 01:30:34 +0800 (CST) Message-ID: <9991275.1385919050676.JavaMail.Administrator@WIN-B383RPTB017> From: gauuid@xzfor.com To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re:Supply mould Plastics X-SHIP: 124.42.200.95 X-SOHU-ANTISPAM-TMASE: SPAM-11-15.0276-5.0000-N/A X-TMASE-OEM-MatchedID: 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 X-SOHU-Antispam-Ers: 1 X-TMASE-OEM-Version: TmSpamFilter-1.0.1000-7.0.1014-20332.000-3.5.1032 Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2013 01:30:33 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.16 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2013 17:31:01 -0000 Plastic tooling, Injection tooling,die-casting tooling 10 years Modeling design experience,Good quality, Prompt Delivery and Reasonable price! 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Major Product Scope Electronic products; electrical products; toys; mobile accessory products; etc. Monthly volume More than 30 sets Lead Time 2 weeks QC 3D measurement machine, 2D measurement machine Kia group Limited - ShenZhen XingZeGao Precision Design Limited Website:www.moldcnc.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 1 18:05:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 137669D5 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 18:05:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B04DA12CE for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 18:05:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.2.117.99]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id rB1I5dSH066245 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 1 Dec 2013 18:05:40 GMT (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk rB1I5dSH066245 Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/rB1I5dSH066245; dkim=none reason="no signature"; dkim-adsp=none Message-ID: <529B7A6B.6020800@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2013 18:05:31 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: james@mansionfamily.plus.com, FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: pkg-ng problem, how do I recover? References: <529B4657.3040201@mansionfamily.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <529B4657.3040201@mansionfamily.plus.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="oX5i4bInijmhquC9QKG9J9562RjJW3Bin" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2013 18:05:47 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --oX5i4bInijmhquC9QKG9J9562RjJW3Bin Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 01/12/2013 14:23, james wrote: > How can I recover from this? >=20 > root@nas:~ # pkg update -f > Updating repository catalogue > digests.txz 100% 1093KB 1.1MB/s 1.1MB/s 00:01 > packagesite.txz 100% 5886KB 1.4MB/s 2.0MB/s 00:04 > pkg: sqlite: database disk image is malformed (pkgdb_repo.c:545) > Incremental update completed, 0 packages processed: > 0 packages updated, 372 removed and 13769 added. > pkg: No digest falling back on legacy catalog format > pkg: http://pkg.FreeBSD.org/freebsd:9:x86:64/latest/repo.txz: Not Found= > root@nas:~ # >=20 > Earlier, I tried to pkgupgrade, but it seemed to get into a loop with > docbook claiming malformed info, so I quit that. >=20 > This is: >=20 > root@nas:~ # uname -a > FreeBSD nas 9.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 9.2-RELEASE #0 r255898: Thu Sep 26 > 22:50:31 UTC 2013 > root@bake.isc.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 > root@nas:~ # If pkg(8) complains about a corrupted database, the first thing to try is= : # rm /var/db/pkg/repo-*.sqlite The vast majority of the time this will cure the problem, and it's safe enough to do, as everything in those repo-*.sqlite databases is derived from repository catalogues which you can just download again. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey --oX5i4bInijmhquC9QKG9J9562RjJW3Bin Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.20 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJSm3pzXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQ2NTNBNjhCOTEzQTRFNkNGM0UxRTEzMjZC QjIzQUY1MThFMUE0MDEzAAoJELsjr1GOGkATNi4P/RwEvTPME3emmjssPOJhD3Ux xpiZBHA0rYMK+NHbiJMon33X21fsf4evY3xCSWyOW79G1CI6awcfxr6rSq1FRwus jG0RdUeYiOI6xLjPxtqAaOdHUSINuJv7tvmRL1xoXrn/G8H06HNrrPqhoxhvOLdj +3EzypDUQfiU3JSO+7veyvR7K4Ojhy72W150FYc5ZQndrbjIQ0BaaT/oXtGF1TMU yuHGptGSGyZlnGNdv8y5V8C4hFDBA23m0dTXHSVQvSmNSPO3FrJG7GwnFi8VEjd0 /o80jDY602hVjqFDBqSs98a+1YzVQvPOKP/ZWSYWinuOcs9WehZBqATgJRG9lU+1 2qA3eImUgd7m1Fy4oNTV0nwJJiDvmSj+f+XRN5oNyJ4BkzgwfxGuZZSb/qKDlI8a NvZARnb+6hJtIwsykYnrs67K4TC6KT9Xgcn8ukvhBBex3oACXRgOI+AAFlN6t6e5 uR1UWnpoH5UvpHreXQl7TJ3Xa+1nyEL277IHK+KQmBOkyYDR0q79TNdE+eMzOmf7 b0sT82LgLkaQboaGRl+YFbu/a0ZqYr+bEsqAqMnrV3RCaUz5MnAJsOKycpTXNq0d FEubLPFsAiuJ40Lbw8nkUbvIqJnlA7nS57DugEalofIXagfBcMfUR6/uJzroCDXv HQ9LOuep54N/a1zLbIlR =SzUP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --oX5i4bInijmhquC9QKG9J9562RjJW3Bin-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 1 18:53:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A7306C58 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 18:53:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from uk1rly2283.eechost.net (uk1rly2283-a.eechost.net [217.69.47.231]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68DE1151C for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 18:53:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [31.186.37.179] (helo=smtp.marelmo.com) by uk1rly2283.eechost.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VnBki-0001Ak-9i for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 01 Dec 2013 18:28:20 +0000 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.marelmo.com) by smtp.marelmo.com with smtp (Exim 4.80.1 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1VnBqs-000Cbc-Gf for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 01 Dec 2013 18:34:42 +0000 Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 18:34:41 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Official FreeBSD Binary Packages now available for pkgng Message-Id: <20131201183441.67578313df73d48c1469f998@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <529B6F77.4090806@networktest.com> References: <5271BC11.1010303@FreeBSD.org> <5271D5BA.9060004@networktest.com> <5272D3A5.7010308@FreeBSD.org> <529B6F77.4090806@networktest.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.3.0 (GTK+ 2.24.19; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Auth-Info: 15567@permanet.ie (plain) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2013 18:53:19 -0000 On Sun, 01 Dec 2013 09:18:47 -0800 David Newman wrote: > Do you have a recommendation for migrating from a current setup using > portmaster to an all pkg setup? poudriere and any http server you like on the build machine (needs ZFS). For more details see my post in the "Building ports in jails after staging support" thread on 23 November. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 1 19:40:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 780F838A for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 19:40:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mr005msr.fastwebnet.it (mr005msr.fastwebnet.it [85.18.95.68]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32E86170F for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 19:40:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server1.fuckaround.org (93.49.16.11) by mr005msr.fastwebnet.it (8.5.140.03) (authenticated as secsec@fastwebnet.it) id 51CC0F2309F6A7FD for questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 20:37:03 +0100 Received: by server1.fuckaround.org (Postfix, from userid 133) id 59E8384A9FE; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 20:37:03 +0100 (CET) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on server1.fuckaround.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=7.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 Received: from seashell.org (unknown [10.10.10.17]) by server1.fuckaround.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A150C84A9FB for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 20:37:00 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <529B9014.6060301@fuckaround.org> Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2013 20:37:56 +0100 From: Pol Hallen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20131005 Icedove/17.0.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: rsync client problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2013 19:40:12 -0000 Hi all... many hours to check this script but nothing of good... I've a linux rsync server and with linux client I use: rsync --password-file=/usr/home/user/.rsync.pass --log-file=/var/log/docs.log --progress --stats -avr --delete user@10.10.10.8::docs /home/user/docs everything ok, the problem is with FreeBSD rsync client: msg checking charset: ASCII rsync: safe_read failed to read 1 bytes [Receiver]: Connection reset by peer (54) [Receiver] _exit_cleanup(code=12, file=io.c, line=251): entered rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(251) [Receiver=3.1.0] [Receiver] _exit_cleanup(code=12, file=io.c, line=251): about to call exit(12) ssh port on linux server is 10321 also using --rsh='ssh -p10321' I've same problem :-( And also change to 22 ssh port, same problem... any idea? thanks! Pol From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 1 21:15:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 08F02AB5 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 21:15:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8D36A1AC9 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 21:15:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.2.117.99]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id rB1LFjXC076633 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 21:15:45 GMT (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk rB1LFjXC076633 Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/rB1LFjXC076633; dkim=none reason="no signature"; dkim-adsp=none Message-ID: <529BA701.5060901@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2013 21:15:45 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Official FreeBSD Binary Packages now available for pkgng References: <5271BC11.1010303@FreeBSD.org> <5271D5BA.9060004@networktest.com> <5272D3A5.7010308@FreeBSD.org> <529B6F77.4090806@networktest.com> <20131201183441.67578313df73d48c1469f998@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20131201183441.67578313df73d48c1469f998@sohara.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="iO9Ur9XPuO8gwI5jQ20HVE8HRNAFw1c85" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2013 21:15:51 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --iO9Ur9XPuO8gwI5jQ20HVE8HRNAFw1c85 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 01/12/2013 18:34, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Sun, 01 Dec 2013 09:18:47 -0800 > David Newman wrote: >=20 >> Do you have a recommendation for migrating from a current setup using >> portmaster to an all pkg setup? >=20 > poudriere and any http server you like on the build machine (needs > ZFS). Actually poudriere will work just fine with ufs nowadays. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 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The system did not reboot when manually running any of the other daily scripts. I'm not seeing anything obvious in log files (although it might help if I knew what tolook for and where) --------------------------------------- %uname -a FreeBSD amd.asgard.uk 9.1-RELEASE-p7 FreeBSD 9.1-RELEASE-p7 #0: Mon Sep 9 21:34:37 UTC 2013 root@amd64- builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 --------------------------------------- /etc/periodic/daily %cat 450.status-security #!/bin/sh # # $FreeBSD: release/9.1.0/etc/periodic/daily/450.status-security 221432 2011-05-04 12:48:02Z netchild $ # # If there is a global system configuration file, suck it in. # if [ -r /etc/defaults/periodic.conf ] then . /etc/defaults/periodic.conf source_periodic_confs fi case "$daily_status_security_enable" in [Yy][Ee][Ss]) echo "" echo "Security check:" case "$daily_status_security_inline" in [Yy][Ee][Ss]) export security_output="";; *) export security_output="${daily_status_security_output}" case "${daily_status_security_output}" in "") rc=3;; /*) echo " (output logged separately)" rc=0;; *) echo " (output mailed separately)" rc=0;; esac;; esac periodic security || rc=3;; *) rc=0;; esac exit $rc --------------------------------------- cat /etc/defaults/periodic.conf ... # 450.status-security daily_status_security_enable="YES" # Security check # See "Security options" below for more options ... # Security options # These options are used by the security periodic(8) scripts spawned in # 450.status-security above. daily_status_security_inline="NO" # Run inline ? daily_status_security_output="root" # user or /file daily_status_security_noamd="NO" # Don't check amd mounts daily_status_security_logdir="/var/log" # Directory for logs daily_status_security_diff_flags="-b -u" # flags for diff output --------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 2 00:27:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5D5D45AF for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 00:27:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-10.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-10.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.74]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C632011BB for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 00:27:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from amd.asgard.uk ([92.238.71.115]) by know-smtprelay-10-imp with bizsmtp id wQTJ1m00l2VE8Jc01QTLKB; Mon, 02 Dec 2013 00:27:22 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [92.238.71.115] X-Spam: 0 X-Authority: v=2.1 cv=Qfbov6rv c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=kgu37eZCuzjHC/BLjkfnNA==:117 a=kgu37eZCuzjHC/BLjkfnNA==:17 a=mSnCZvPJBnkA:10 a=g8DGSEr-gRIA:10 a=z6OmtuC8ihAA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=U4kjxnpeAAAA:8 a=RIXHdJ6alCwA:10 a=4tpR3mDfRd9YyhtnVWEA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 From: dgmm To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: System reboots ~3am during daily periodic 450.status-security run Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 00:27:18 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/9.1-RELEASE-p7; KDE/4.10.5; amd64; ; ) References: <201312012352.01075.freebsd01@dgmm.net> In-Reply-To: <201312012352.01075.freebsd01@dgmm.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201312020027.18293.freebsd01@dgmm.net> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2013 00:27:30 -0000 On Sunday 01 December 2013 23:52:00 dgmm wrote: > My system reboots at 3am when /etc/periodic/daily/450.status-security I've now narrowed it down to: /etc/periodic/security/100.chksetuid ...but have no idea why it might a catastophic crash/reboot. #!/bin/sh - ... # $FreeBSD: release/9.1.0/etc/periodic/security/100.chksetuid 175906 2008-02-03 00:33:05Z des $ # # If there is a global system configuration file, suck it in. # if [ -r /etc/defaults/periodic.conf ] then . /etc/defaults/periodic.conf source_periodic_confs fi . /etc/periodic/security/security.functions rc=0 case "$daily_status_security_chksetuid_enable" in [Yy][Ee][Ss]) echo "" echo 'Checking setuid files and devices:' MP=`mount -t ufs,zfs | awk '$0 !~ /no(suid|exec)/ { print $3 }'` find -sx $MP /dev/null -type f \ \( -perm -u+x -or -perm -g+x -or -perm -o+x \) \ \( -perm -u+s -or -perm -g+s \) -exec ls -liTd \{\} \+ | check_diff setuid - "${host} setuid diffs:" rc=$? ;; *) rc=0 ;; esac exit $rc From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 2 05:34:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A8D4D6EE for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 05:34:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp-out-04.shaw.ca (smtp-out-04.shaw.ca [64.59.134.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B25B122D for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 05:34:40 +0000 (UTC) X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.1 cv=Ur78AkMj4ME0q/xQKDu+fQsLaK/oG8/QJxPJp7yvMIc= c=1 sm=1 a=QrugwKR0C_UA:10 a=wAGQQ9Az6v0A:10 a=BLceEmwcHowA:10 a=ICAaq7hcmGcA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=IbtKDeXwb2+SRU442/pi3A==:17 a=BWvPGDcYAAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=DdMZvQSIC3vZEwIYBlUA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=V7tsTZBp22UA:10 a=SV7veod9ZcQA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Received: from unknown (HELO spqr.komquats.com) ([96.50.7.119]) by smtp-out-04.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 01 Dec 2013 22:34:33 -0700 Received: from slippy.cwsent.com (slippy [10.1.1.91]) by spqr.komquats.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BF1A80 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 21:34:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from slippy (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slippy.cwsent.com (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id rB25YWYe007047 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 21:34:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@komquats.com) Message-Id: <201312020534.rB25YWYe007047@slippy.cwsent.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.8.0 04/21/2012 with nmh-1.5 From: Cy Schubert X-os: FreeBSD X-Sender: cy@cwsent.com X-URL: http://www.komquats.com/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Quad-port Gigabit NIC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2013 21:34:32 -0800 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list Reply-To: Cy Schubert List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2013 05:34:40 -0000 Hi all, I'm looking at upgrading my fiewwall/gateway from a Pentium III machine to an AMD64 machine (I can get a MB for a good price and I have a number of AMD64 chips, including a good X2 4200+ kicking around, I just need memory, a CPU cooler, and a quad port gigabit NIC). The issue is that the old Pentium III, an Asus CUSL2-C, has five PCI slots in which I have five NICs. I'm looking to replace it with an Asus M2A-VM with a quad gigabit NIC. What have people had good results with? What do folks recommend? Why? All of my machines are amd64 capable, except for the firewall/gateway and an old laptop, which is used as a testbed. Replacing the old CUSL2-C MB with a newer MB will allow me to have a homogeneous amd64 shop rather than the current heterogeneous amd64/i386 farm I have downstairs. Oh yes, it needs to be economical too. Any and all pointers would be appreciated. -- Cheers, Cy Schubert FreeBSD UNIX: Web: http://www.FreeBSD.org The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 2 06:15:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 269FB371 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 06:15:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DC878146E for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 06:15:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-106-241.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.106.241]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 592393DD31; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 07:15:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id rB26F2F0001970; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 07:15:02 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 07:15:02 +0100 From: Polytropon To: dgmm Subject: Re: System reboots ~3am during daily periodic 450.status-security run Message-Id: <20131202071502.a72c0029.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <201312020027.18293.freebsd01@dgmm.net> References: <201312012352.01075.freebsd01@dgmm.net> <201312020027.18293.freebsd01@dgmm.net> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2013 06:15:26 -0000 On Mon, 2 Dec 2013 00:27:18 +0000, dgmm wrote: > On Sunday 01 December 2013 23:52:00 dgmm wrote: > > My system reboots at 3am when /etc/periodic/daily/450.status-security > > I've now narrowed it down to: > > /etc/periodic/security/100.chksetuid > > ...but have no idea why it might a catastophic crash/reboot. A wild guess: File system damage side effect that is being triggered by something "non-obvious". To make sure this is _not_ the case, reboot into SUM or via live media and perform a forced (!) file system check. Note that just in case you might think "but I run background fsck and preen, that should be sufficient" - it's not; there are few things that only a full, _normal_ file system check can detect and repair. I'm mentioning this because similar situations have been discussed on this list, and finally there was some strange file system defect responsible... But also make sure system power is good, and the system does not become unstable when on load. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 2 08:18:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C1B37D0F for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 08:18:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 802291B13 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 08:18:33 +0000 (UTC) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=IPSA+3TG c=1 sm=0 a=s99JP9nkuyUZgdwK7wvnJA==:17 a=CPwA9CjszQEA:10 a=g8DGSEr-gRIA:10 a=6lBslN5KadwA:10 a=LEup1id8KFYA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=oX08kPI8AAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=RIXHdJ6alCwA:10 a=6IlnN0MotG9NJNkdoTsA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=4wfsiePOASQA:10 a=s99JP9nkuyUZgdwK7wvnJA==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Authenticated-User: X-Originating-IP: 72.132.160.201 Received: from [72.132.160.201] ([72.132.160.201:46082] helo=bsdfull.Belkin) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 67/C2-09582-4124C925; Mon, 02 Dec 2013 08:17:25 +0000 Message-ID: <529C4213.2010307@sdf.org> Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2013 00:17:23 -0800 From: cary User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:25.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/25.0 SeaMonkey/2.22 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon , dgmm Subject: Re: System reboots ~3am during daily periodic 450.status-security run References: <201312012352.01075.freebsd01@dgmm.net> <201312020027.18293.freebsd01@dgmm.net> <20131202071502.a72c0029.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20131202071502.a72c0029.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2013 08:18:33 -0000 Polytropon wrote: > On Mon, 2 Dec 2013 00:27:18 +0000, dgmm wrote: >> On Sunday 01 December 2013 23:52:00 dgmm wrote: >>> My system reboots at 3am when /etc/periodic/daily/450.status-security >> >> I've now narrowed it down to: >> >> /etc/periodic/security/100.chksetuid >> >> ...but have no idea why it might a catastophic crash/reboot. > > A wild guess: File system damage side effect that is being > triggered by something "non-obvious". To make sure this is > _not_ the case, reboot into SUM or via live media and perform > a forced (!) file system check. Note that just in case you > might think "but I run background fsck and preen, that should > be sufficient" - it's not; there are few things that only a > full, _normal_ file system check can detect and repair. > > I'm mentioning this because similar situations have been > discussed on this list, and finally there was some strange > file system defect responsible... > > But also make sure system power is good, and the system does > not become unstable when on load. > > Had a 3 a.m. reboot last week. /usr was corrupted because of my own errors made while compiling ports. $ fsck -t ufs -fv /dev/{usr-partition} -- cary@sdf.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.org ------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 2 10:43:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7A3C517F for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 10:43:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from uk1rly2283.eechost.net (uk1rly2283-a.eechost.net [217.69.47.231]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C6D317A1 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 10:43:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [31.186.37.179] (helo=smtp.marelmo.com) by uk1rly2283.eechost.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VnQsc-0003s7-AO for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2013 10:37:30 +0000 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.marelmo.com) by smtp.marelmo.com with smtp (Exim 4.80.1 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1VnQyp-0002qj-Md for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2013 10:43:55 +0000 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 10:43:55 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Multiple pkg repositories Message-Id: <20131202104355.37e2ca24f4068e1d86000134@sohara.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.3.0 (GTK+ 2.24.19; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Auth-Info: 15567@permanet.ie (plain) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2013 10:43:59 -0000 Hi, I see with the pkg-1.2 there is support for using multiple repositories. What is not clear is how to control the search order in these repositories. I'd like to arrange that my local repository is searched first with a fallback to the official repository, primarily so that I can avoid compiling some of the monsters like libreoffice, firefox etc. while still having packages with my selected options and custom patches where I want them. Anyone know if it's possible to set this up reliably ? -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 2 10:49:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AA11C30F for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 10:49:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relaygateway02.edpnet.net (relaygateway02.edpnet.net [212.71.1.211]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D67A416DF for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 10:32:41 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AoEIADBhnFJNbXbJ/2dsb2JhbABZgwc4g020RAJJToEhF3SCJQEBAQQBAQEgKwgYCxALGAICBRMOAgIPBRMBCQgkCAcEAQgUBIdkCa8niRWGXReBKY0OAQFPB4JrgUgDlUWCTgGBMJBjgyo7MYEE X-IPAS-Result: AoEIADBhnFJNbXbJ/2dsb2JhbABZgwc4g020RAJJToEhF3SCJQEBAQQBAQEgKwgYCxALGAICBRMOAgIPBRMBCQgkCAcEAQgUBIdkCa8niRWGXReBKY0OAQFPB4JrgUgDlUWCTgGBMJBjgyo7MYEE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.93,810,1378850400"; d="scan'208";a="209391349" Received: from 77.109.118.201.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net (HELO mordor.lan) ([77.109.118.201]) by relaygateway02.edpnet.net with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 02 Dec 2013 11:15:49 +0100 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 11:31:22 +0100 From: Julien Cigar To: "Mike." Subject: Re: gmirror, gpart and MBR vs GPT in the Handbook Message-ID: <20131202103122.GN66981@mordor.lan> References: <201311301303210813.05DE187E@smtp.24cl.home> <201312011121580096.005D00FB@smtp.24cl.home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201312011121580096.005D00FB@smtp.24cl.home> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.22 (2013-10-16) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2013 10:49:22 -0000 If you want to use GPT with gmirror you may want to mirror each partition instead of the whole disk. For example on my box I have the following: https://dpaste.de/Rb3S On Sun, Dec 01, 2013 at 11:21:58AM -0500, Mike. wrote: > On 11/30/2013 at 2:17 PM Warren Block wrote: > > |On Sat, 30 Nov 2013, Mike. wrote: > | > | [snip] > | > |> Is there a specific reason why MBR was used in the Handbook > |> example for creating a mirror, instead of GPT? > | > |Yes, there was, see the last paragraph of the Metadata Issues > |subsection, > |http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/geom-m > irror.html#geom-mirror-metadata > | > |[snip] > ============= > > > A question about the wording of that paragraph. The second > sentence states: > > "Because GPT partition schemes also store metadata at the end of > the disk, mirroring full GPT disks with gmirror(8) is not > recommended." > > > The word "full" is ambiguous. Is it to mean, "full" as in 'full > of data', or "full" as in 'the entire disk'? > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- No trees were killed in the creation of this message. However, many electrons were terribly inconvenienced. 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Let me know if you are interested and I'll present you with a proposal that would not only improve your sales and visibility for your products and services ---------------------------- Kind Regards Name: Roshan Designation: Online Marketing Consultant ---------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 2 13:55:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 74C47A5E for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 13:55:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 195DE155E for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 13:55:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ox-dell39.ox.adestra.com (no-reverse-dns.metronet-uk.com [85.199.232.226] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id rB2DthTE098557 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 13:55:49 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk rB2DthTE098557 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1385992549; bh=NLZsJFlkAp/s3vr2H4mYuMUiWWGOKU1mT4FcAqGSVx8=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; z=Date:=20Mon,=2002=20Dec=202013=2013:55:32=20+0000|From:=20Matthew =20Seaman=20|To:=20freebsd-questi ons@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20Multiple=20pkg=20repositories|Ref erences:=20<20131202104355.37e2ca24f4068e1d86000134@sohara.org>|In -Reply-To:=20<20131202104355.37e2ca24f4068e1d86000134@sohara.org>; b=O6P0x+Y1f0FTXXO8/V2gvfziyt8aez1uUM3QJ37o2rDW/x413nupvxyZflJ5ch6qv cNykCsfmYl5IvZK62A5+o4GfqlxQ6xkVu3RQwlpaAc7GDLbkXSVrOvFS5HcspFgQKm qK9ZhgkDu/lhXeoox4nchgfaEsspqMoT8UfpiVTA= X-Authentication-Warning: lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host no-reverse-dns.metronet-uk.com [85.199.232.226] (may be forged) claimed to be ox-dell39.ox.adestra.com Message-ID: <529C9154.40606@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2013 13:55:32 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Multiple pkg repositories References: <20131202104355.37e2ca24f4068e1d86000134@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20131202104355.37e2ca24f4068e1d86000134@sohara.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="nlaUAs3n9WJ1uL11efbVwsWVw0G9N1Rb1" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DCC_CHECK, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,RCVD_IN_RP_RNBL,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2013 13:55:55 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --nlaUAs3n9WJ1uL11efbVwsWVw0G9N1Rb1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 12/02/13 10:43, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > Hi, >=20 > I see with the pkg-1.2 there is support for using multiple > repositories. What is not clear is how to control the search order in t= hese > repositories. I'd like to arrange that my local repository is searched > first with a fallback to the official repository, primarily so that I c= an > avoid compiling some of the monsters like libreoffice, firefox etc. whi= le > still having packages with my selected options and custom patches where= I > want them. >=20 > Anyone know if it's possible to set this up reliably ? Repositories are searched in order of the names of the .conf files in /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos -- not sure how adding /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf into that mix affects things though. However you can easily test as it's also the order that repositories are listed in the 'pkg -vv' output.= This was not, as far as I can tell, /intended/ to be the way this sort of functionality should be controlled, but by happy accident it seems to work pretty well. The more sophisticated solvers we're planning on introducing will probably muddy the waters a bit as far as matching what the user thinks the preferred repository should be and what pkg(8) chooses, as it will consider a larger range of factors in order to get a consistent dependency graph. You should also be aware of using 'pkg annotate' to force a package to be installed from a specific repository. See the section 'WORKING WITH MULTIPLE REPOSITORIES' in pkg-repository(5). 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 2 15:17:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5348F70E for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 15:17:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from uk1rly2283.eechost.net (uk1rly2283-a.eechost.net [217.69.47.231]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 199211BD4 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 15:17:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [31.186.37.179] (helo=smtp.marelmo.com) by uk1rly2283.eechost.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VnV9Z-0006QI-7S; Mon, 02 Dec 2013 15:11:17 +0000 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.marelmo.com) by smtp.marelmo.com with smtp (Exim 4.80.1 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1VnVFm-00049A-LL; Mon, 02 Dec 2013 15:17:42 +0000 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 15:17:42 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Matthew Seaman Subject: Re: Multiple pkg repositories Message-Id: <20131202151742.30be3ddf0f3d944e50200817@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <529C9154.40606@infracaninophile.co.uk> References: <20131202104355.37e2ca24f4068e1d86000134@sohara.org> <529C9154.40606@infracaninophile.co.uk> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.3.0 (GTK+ 2.24.19; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Auth-Info: 15567@permanet.ie (plain) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2013 15:17:45 -0000 On Mon, 02 Dec 2013 13:55:32 +0000 Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 12/02/13 10:43, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I see with the pkg-1.2 there is support for using multiple > > repositories. What is not clear is how to control the search order in > > these repositories. I'd like to arrange that my local repository is > > searched first with a fallback to the official repository, primarily so > > that I can avoid compiling some of the monsters like libreoffice, > > firefox etc. while still having packages with my selected options and > > custom patches where I want them. > > > > Anyone know if it's possible to set this up reliably ? > > Repositories are searched in order of the names of the .conf files in > /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos -- not sure how adding /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf > into that mix affects things though. However you can easily test as > it's also the order that repositories are listed in the 'pkg -vv' output. Thank you. > You should also be aware of using 'pkg annotate' to force a package to > be installed from a specific repository. See the section 'WORKING WITH > MULTIPLE REPOSITORIES' in pkg-repository(5). Ah, I'd missed that man page - useful. After reading it I think you're right that pkg annotate is the way to go to get reliable behaviour, that feature of always pulling the latest version no matter which repository it appears in may spoil my game otherwise. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 2 15:56:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BE2652B0 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 15:56:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 734671EFC for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 15:56:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id rB2FuEK7014353; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 08:56:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) with ESMTP id rB2FuDN7014350; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 08:56:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 08:56:13 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Julien Cigar Subject: Re: gmirror, gpart and MBR vs GPT in the Handbook In-Reply-To: <20131202103122.GN66981@mordor.lan> Message-ID: References: <201311301303210813.05DE187E@smtp.24cl.home> <201312011121580096.005D00FB@smtp.24cl.home> <20131202103122.GN66981@mordor.lan> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 02 Dec 2013 08:56:14 -0700 (MST) Cc: "Mike." , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2013 15:56:15 -0000 On Mon, 2 Dec 2013, Julien Cigar wrote: > If you want to use GPT with gmirror you may want to mirror each > partition instead of the whole disk. > > For example on my box I have the following: https://dpaste.de/Rb3S There are a couple of potential problems with that. The big one is when a disk fails and is replaced. If you're not careful, the rebuild of all those mirrored partitions will start at the same time. Head contention will bring that to a near-standstill. It also puts a heavy load on the drive that still works. Hopefully it is not the same model and age as the one that failed, or its "warranty timer" may also be close to expiring. A less-serious problem is that only the partitions are mirrored. That leaves out metadata like the partition tables and bootcode, but those typically do not change very often and might not be a problem. The admin has to remember to manually install such things on a new replacement disk, though. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 2 17:13:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3FC0914B for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 17:13:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from oneyou.mcmli.com (oneyou.mcmli.com [IPv6:2001:470:1d:8da::100]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0554A156B for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 17:13:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sentry.24cl.com (sentry.24cl.com [IPv6:2001:470:89e9:1:feed::1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "sentry.24cl.com", Issuer "Mike's Certificate Authority" (verified OK)) by oneyou.mcmli.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3dYCb23Yprz1DNq for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 12:13:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from BigBloat (bigbloat.24cl.home [10.20.1.4]) by sentry.24cl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3dYCb10PN6z1Bjc for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 12:13:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <201312021213320528.00673D5F@smtp.24cl.home> In-Reply-To: References: <201311301303210813.05DE187E@smtp.24cl.home> <201312011121580096.005D00FB@smtp.24cl.home> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2013 12:13:32 -0500 From: "Mike." To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gmirror, gpart and MBR vs GPT in the Handbook Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2013 17:13:37 -0000 On 12/1/2013 at 10:21 AM Warren Block wrote: |On Sun, 1 Dec 2013, Mike. wrote: | |> On 11/30/2013 at 2:17 PM Warren Block wrote: |[snip] |> |> A question about the wording of that paragraph. The second |> sentence states: |> |> "Because GPT partition schemes also store metadata at the end of |> the disk, mirroring full GPT disks with gmirror(8) is not |> recommended." |> |> |> The word "full" is ambiguous. Is it to mean, "full" as in 'full |> of data', or "full" as in 'the entire disk'? | |It means mirroring an entire disk, including boot blocks and metadata, |rather than just parts of it like partitions or filesystems. | |I'll work on rewriting that paragraph for clarity. ============= I noticed a change in the wording this morning. :) My understanding is that MBR can be used with drives only up to and including 2TB in size. So if I use MBR, the maximum drive size I could use would be 2TB. Is that correct? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 2 17:26:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F867AF8 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 17:26:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0FAE41650 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 17:26:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-106-241.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.106.241]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 83638278AA; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 18:26:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id rB2HQNWf005406; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 18:26:23 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 18:26:23 +0100 From: Polytropon To: "Mike." Subject: Re: gmirror, gpart and MBR vs GPT in the Handbook Message-Id: <20131202182623.43331984.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <201312021213320528.00673D5F@smtp.24cl.home> References: <201311301303210813.05DE187E@smtp.24cl.home> <201312011121580096.005D00FB@smtp.24cl.home> <201312021213320528.00673D5F@smtp.24cl.home> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2013 17:26:47 -0000 On Mon, 02 Dec 2013 12:13:32 -0500, Mike. wrote: > My understanding is that MBR can be used with drives only up to > and including 2TB in size. So if I use MBR, the maximum drive > size I could use would be 2TB. Is that correct? Don't confuse partitioning schemes and file systems. Both are different things, happening on different "layers". To make it simpler than it probably is: Partitioning = a) MBR with classic tools (fdisk, bsdlabel) b) MBR with modern tool (gpart) c) GPT (gpart) d) Dedicated (only the "bsdlabel part") RAID concepts = a) mirror b) stripe c) combined and extended forms ... File system = a) UFS option +U: soft updates option +J: journal b) ZFS Of course ZFS can handle things like "RAID concepts" already internally, whereas UFS would use gstripe and gmirror as "little helpers" - it will run on top of them, i. e., you initialize the device that represents the whole mirror instead of individually dealing with the drives that the mirror is constructed of. Regarding UFS's 2 TB limitation: http://www.freebsd.org/projects/bigdisk/ Additionally, MBR can be troublesome on bigger hard disks or stripes. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/bsdinstall-partitioning.html Today's consensus seems to be: If you use ZFS, let ZFS deal with everything. If you use UFS, use gpart for preparation work. Use GPT when possible, MBR only in exceptions, and dedicated if and only if you really _really_ know what you're doing. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 2 17:35:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 490E22F2 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 17:35:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from oneyou.mcmli.com (oneyou.mcmli.com [IPv6:2001:470:1d:8da::100]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0CCA3170F for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 17:35:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sentry.24cl.com (sentry.24cl.com [IPv6:2001:470:89e9:1:feed::1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "sentry.24cl.com", Issuer "Mike's Certificate Authority" (verified OK)) by oneyou.mcmli.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3dYD3s5k9vz1DPw for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 12:35:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from BigBloat (bigbloat.24cl.home [10.20.1.4]) by sentry.24cl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3dYD3r30GCz1Bjc for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 12:35:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <201312021235030914.007AF1DF@smtp.24cl.home> In-Reply-To: <20131202182623.43331984.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <201311301303210813.05DE187E@smtp.24cl.home> <201312011121580096.005D00FB@smtp.24cl.home> <201312021213320528.00673D5F@smtp.24cl.home> <20131202182623.43331984.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2013 12:35:03 -0500 From: "Mike." To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gmirror, gpart and MBR vs GPT in the Handbook Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2013 17:35:07 -0000 On 12/2/2013 at 6:26 PM Polytropon wrote: |On Mon, 02 Dec 2013 12:13:32 -0500, Mike. wrote: |> My understanding is that MBR can be used with drives only up to |> and including 2TB in size. So if I use MBR, the maximum drive |> size I could use would be 2TB. Is that correct? | |Don't confuse partitioning schemes and file systems. Both are |different things, happening on different "layers". To make it |simpler than it probably is: | |Partitioning = | a) MBR with classic tools (fdisk, bsdlabel) | b) MBR with modern tool (gpart) | c) GPT (gpart) | d) Dedicated (only the "bsdlabel part") | |RAID concepts = | a) mirror | b) stripe | c) combined and extended forms ... | |File system = | a) UFS | option +U: soft updates | option +J: journal | b) ZFS | |Of course ZFS can handle things like "RAID concepts" already |internally, whereas UFS would use gstripe and gmirror as |"little helpers" - it will run on top of them, i. e., you |initialize the device that represents the whole mirror |instead of individually dealing with the drives that the |mirror is constructed of. | |Regarding UFS's 2 TB limitation: | |http://www.freebsd.org/projects/bigdisk/ | |Additionally, MBR can be troublesome on bigger hard disks |or stripes. | |http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/bsdinstall-partitioning.html | |Today's consensus seems to be: | |If you use ZFS, let ZFS deal with everything. | |If you use UFS, use gpart for preparation work. Use GPT when |possible, MBR only in exceptions, and dedicated if and only |if you really _really_ know what you're doing. :-) ============= Following the bsdinstall-partitioning link you cited, and then following a link on that page, I wind up here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_boot_record which states: "...The organization of the partition table in the MBR limits the maximum addressable storage space of a disk to 2 TB ...." That (and other places) is where I got the 2TB limit of MBR into my head. Am I misunderstanding that statement? Thanks. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 2 17:46:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BDAC692C for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 17:46:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7C67F17CF for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 17:46:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-106-241.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.106.241]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F223E27793; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 18:46:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id rB2Hkgqm005466; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 18:46:42 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 18:46:42 +0100 From: Polytropon To: "Mike." Subject: Re: gmirror, gpart and MBR vs GPT in the Handbook Message-Id: <20131202184642.d35c4548.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <201312021235030914.007AF1DF@smtp.24cl.home> References: <201311301303210813.05DE187E@smtp.24cl.home> <201312011121580096.005D00FB@smtp.24cl.home> <201312021213320528.00673D5F@smtp.24cl.home> <20131202182623.43331984.freebsd@edvax.de> <201312021235030914.007AF1DF@smtp.24cl.home> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2013 17:46:58 -0000 On Mon, 02 Dec 2013 12:35:03 -0500, Mike. wrote: > On 12/2/2013 at 6:26 PM Polytropon wrote: > > |On Mon, 02 Dec 2013 12:13:32 -0500, Mike. wrote: > |> My understanding is that MBR can be used with drives only up > to > |> and including 2TB in size. So if I use MBR, the maximum > drive > |> size I could use would be 2TB. Is that correct? > |[...] > |Regarding UFS's 2 TB limitation: > | > |http://www.freebsd.org/projects/bigdisk/ > | > |Additionally, MBR can be troublesome on bigger hard disks > |or stripes. > | > |http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/bsdinstall-partitioning.html > > | > |Today's consensus seems to be: > | > |If you use ZFS, let ZFS deal with everything. > | > |If you use UFS, use gpart for preparation work. Use GPT when > |possible, MBR only in exceptions, and dedicated if and only > |if you really _really_ know what you're doing. :-) > ============= > > > Following the bsdinstall-partitioning link you cited, and then > following a link on that page, I wind up here: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_boot_record > > which states: > > "...The organization of the partition table in the MBR limits > the maximum addressable storage space of a disk to 2 TB ...." > > > That (and other places) is where I got the 2TB limit of MBR into > my head. Am I misunderstanding that statement? I think you're correct regarding this finding: The data type 2^32 (because of 32 bit) defines the 2 TB limit. It applies both on MBR (which stores 32 bit values) and UFS (which also stores 32 bit values). However, I've never dealt with disks > 2 TB _and_ UFS before, so I can't add specific individual findings. :-) Again, consensus seems to be: If you have big disks, use ZFS. You use ZFS because the big disks are built into or attached to big computers with sufficient RAM, so it won't be a problem. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gmirror, gpart and MBR vs GPT in the Handbook Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2013 18:10:10 -0000 On 12/2/2013 at 6:46 PM Polytropon wrote: | [snip] | |Again, consensus seems to be: If you have big disks, use ZFS. |You use ZFS because the big disks are built into or attached |to big computers with sufficient RAM, so it won't be a problem. ============= I do plan to migrate to ZFS once I acquire the new hardware to support it. This mirror expedition is an temporary and interim solution. Thanks. 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Kind Regards Rose Online Marketing Executive From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 2 20:40:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 84251AE5 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 20:40:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-10.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-10.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.74]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB40813D4 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 20:40:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from amd.asgard.uk ([92.238.71.115]) by know-smtprelay-10-imp with bizsmtp id wkgC1m01f2VE8Jc01kgDKB; Mon, 02 Dec 2013 20:40:13 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [92.238.71.115] X-Spam: 0 X-Authority: v=2.1 cv=Qfbov6rv c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=kgu37eZCuzjHC/BLjkfnNA==:117 a=kgu37eZCuzjHC/BLjkfnNA==:17 a=mSnCZvPJBnkA:10 a=g8DGSEr-gRIA:10 a=z6OmtuC8ihAA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=U4kjxnpeAAAA:8 a=RIXHdJ6alCwA:10 a=sJkTq2K36ST8_bpfWQ0A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 From: dgmm To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: System reboots ~3am during daily periodic 450.status-security run Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 20:40:11 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/9.1-RELEASE-p7; KDE/4.10.5; amd64; ; ) References: <201312012352.01075.freebsd01@dgmm.net> <20131202071502.a72c0029.freebsd@edvax.de> <529C4213.2010307@sdf.org> In-Reply-To: <529C4213.2010307@sdf.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201312022040.11070.freebsd01@dgmm.net> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2013 20:40:15 -0000 On Monday 02 December 2013 08:17:23 cary wrote: > Polytropon wrote: > > On Mon, 2 Dec 2013 00:27:18 +0000, dgmm wrote: > >> On Sunday 01 December 2013 23:52:00 dgmm wrote: > >>> My system reboots at 3am when /etc/periodic/daily/450.status-security > >> > >> I've now narrowed it down to: > >> > >> /etc/periodic/security/100.chksetuid > >> > >> ...but have no idea why it might a catastophic crash/reboot. > > > > A wild guess: File system damage side effect that is being > > triggered by something "non-obvious". To make sure this is > > _not_ the case, reboot into SUM or via live media and perform > > a forced (!) file system check. Note that just in case you > > might think "but I run background fsck and preen, that should > > be sufficient" - it's not; there are few things that only a > > full, _normal_ file system check can detect and repair. > > > > I'm mentioning this because similar situations have been > > discussed on this list, and finally there was some strange > > file system defect responsible... > > > > But also make sure system power is good, and the system does > > not become unstable when on load. > > Had a 3 a.m. reboot last week. > /usr was corrupted because of my own > errors made while compiling ports. > > $ fsck -t ufs -fv /dev/{usr-partition} Thanks both of you. I now know why the phrase "blindingly obvious" was coined. fsck found an error on / and another on /home. (Yes,I followed the advice in the handbook to not go with seperate /usr and /var. I think if I ever rebuild from scratch I'll go back to the old way.) I've manually run /etc/periodic/security/100.chksetuid twice without incident. This does bring to mind something I'd not previously thought of. Except for the rare times I leave a job running overnight, periodic never runs. I'll have a to make a decision on what to do about that. I have a coupleof options in mind, all of which have ups and downs. -- Dave From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 2 21:21:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1A151757 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 21:21:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C39391857 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 21:21:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id rB2LLnNw016910; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 14:21:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) with ESMTP id rB2LLnVU016907; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 14:21:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 14:21:49 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: "Mike." Subject: Re: gmirror, gpart and MBR vs GPT in the Handbook In-Reply-To: <201312021213320528.00673D5F@smtp.24cl.home> Message-ID: References: <201311301303210813.05DE187E@smtp.24cl.home> <201312011121580096.005D00FB@smtp.24cl.home> <201312021213320528.00673D5F@smtp.24cl.home> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 02 Dec 2013 14:21:49 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2013 21:21:51 -0000 On Mon, 2 Dec 2013, Mike. wrote: > My understanding is that MBR can be used with drives only up to > and including 2TB in size. So if I use MBR, the maximum drive > size I could use would be 2TB. Is that correct? As far as I recall, MBR expects 512-byte blocks and uses 32-bit values. The total number works out to 2TB (2^32*512). Just recently, someone in the forums had an external drive, MBR format, but 4K blocks. There were problems, although I don't know if FreeBSD was at fault. I have not tried MBR on a drive larger than 2TB. I suspect it would be safe to use the first 2TB and ignore the rest, but that really ought to be verified. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 3 00:17:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5993BF7D for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 00:17:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from blu0-omc4-s24.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc4-s24.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.163]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21FFA16B5 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 00:17:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BLU0-SMTP371 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s24.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 2 Dec 2013 16:15:55 -0800 X-TMN: [WOwjAnDw5N3kaAHmBMHocfnlFE4eaAZ1] X-Originating-Email: [drew@mykitchentable.net] Message-ID: Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([69.62.230.77]) by BLU0-SMTP371.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 2 Dec 2013 16:15:51 -0800 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 16:15:47 -0800 From: Drew Tomlinson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD 9 On ESXi 5.5? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 131202-2, 12/02/2013), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Dec 2013 00:15:52.0091 (UTC) FILETIME=[D3758EB0:01CEEFBC] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2013 00:17:01 -0000 I recently purchased an HP Proliant ML310 to replace an old server that happily ran FBSD for 13 years before it died last month. Now because the hardware will support it, I'd like to learn about vSphere or ESXi or whatever they are calling it these days as we are beginning to migrate that way at work. Thus I would like to rebuild my FBSD box as a guest. My new server has 4, 1TB drives. The onboard RAID controller will only do mirroring or striping without parity. It will not do what I know of as RAID5 where parity info is spread across the disks. I had hoped to use the 4 drives as one logical 3 TB drive with parity. But since I can't, I have set it up as 4 single drives and therefore have 4 different drives in which I could create virtual drives for my FBSD guest. It was my thought that then I could use these 4 virtual drives and build my FBSD on ZFS, just as I would if it were bare metal. I used to use ZFS and like the redundancy it provides. However I've googled and there seems to be a lot of posts about ZFS not working well in a virtual machine. Does anyone have any insight on this? Good idea? Bad idea that will bite me later? It is most important to me to have a machine that is reliable and just runs like my old one did than to do anything fancy. I like a raid1z pool because I could lose a disk and not lose data. However I do not want to cause problems by using it in a vm since they are so easy to restore from backups. Thanks, Drew From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 3 00:59:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8113B49A for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 00:59:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from blu0-omc4-s24.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc4-s24.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.163]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46F94188D for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 00:59:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BLU0-SMTP278 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s24.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 2 Dec 2013 16:59:33 -0800 X-TMN: [uYH6+nY6jRnbuCSRDB4gw1KgwSDLBwrW] X-Originating-Email: [drew@mykitchentable.net] Message-ID: Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([69.62.230.77]) by BLU0-SMTP278.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 2 Dec 2013 16:59:31 -0800 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 16:59:26 -0800 From: Drew Tomlinson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Sierchio Subject: Re: FreeBSD 9 On ESXi 5.5? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 131202-2, 12/02/2013), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Dec 2013 00:59:31.0238 (UTC) FILETIME=[EC97AC60:01CEEFC2] Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2013 00:59:34 -0000 On 12/2/2013 4:31 PM, Michael Sierchio wrote: > On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Drew Tomlinson wrote: >> I recently purchased an HP Proliant ML310 to replace an old server that >> happily ran FBSD for 13 years before it died last month. >> >> Now because the hardware will support it, I'd like to learn about vSphere or >> ESXi or whatever they are calling it these days as we are beginning to >> migrate that way at work. Thus I would like to rebuild my FBSD box as a >> guest. >> >> My new server has 4, 1TB drives. The onboard RAID controller will only do >> mirroring or striping without parity. It will not do what I know of as >> RAID5 where parity info is spread across the disks. > Are you sure? I.e., are you sure it isn't just a driver issue? Do > you have the HP-specific distro for ESXi? The one you get from VMware > won't have the right driver for that RAID controller, for sure. Yes, I am sure. I do have the HP distro for ESXi. It seems I have to buy a Flash Back Write Cache (FWBC) module to get RAID5. >> I used to use ZFS and like the redundancy it provides. However I've googled >> and there seems to be a lot of posts about ZFS not working well in a virtual >> machine. >> >> Does anyone have any insight on this? Good idea? Bad idea that will bite >> me later? It is most important to me to have a machine that is reliable and >> just runs like my old one did than to do anything fancy. I like a raid1z >> pool because I could lose a disk and not lose data. However I do not want >> to cause problems by using it in a vm since they are so easy to restore from >> backups. > The only way to use ZFS pools in any reasonable fashion with ESXi is > to present iSCSI targets to the ESXi server from the host that has the > pools. Just my $0.02 ($0.11 adjusted for inflation). Thank for your thoughts. However I don't have a server with pools. It was my (probably bad) idea to create 4 virtual drives (one on each physical drive) in the ESXi software for the FBSD guest. Then create the ZFS pool in that FBSD guest. Cheers, Drew From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 3 01:38:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5C3FF897 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 01:38:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pa0-x22d.google.com (mail-pa0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c03::22d]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2FF641A3C for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 01:38:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pa0-f45.google.com with SMTP id fb1so2195056pad.18 for ; Mon, 02 Dec 2013 17:38:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=aaNmL75eEG2640XzE5dCDZtuQ7Nf9eI/s2xqGrKWesI=; b=KupbLs50oTfyh1VWsTh7lk1q8EoLQT/Iaevn4HwV6VqZpQzkQ+EmcHkfwP+kG4zy7M PFmTRcHx6IgaDktuiQbAtIXO52i1zO52Q7TXHvzTwE7b87aP/R/yUJAWjw0xNq3nF2MM PUjMr8lB/gyQtG4WtfZUZZ2yXHecrmuE+8nXTU8IO9s8BEHYINVVClc9YV1fe+y4YYYT DEzmc63WzV4XufTjIJF6+bys4mz3rCox/MdP92It116rPRRLPAldKPdMD/xPZ3+F6a1O tR62tgJT6Ustlz0GRqb5h09KawRrErotPzFQvcgoLVNcpqx6iitfetH6mC2AMGQcPxNF yNNA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.66.33 with SMTP id c1mr35317479pbt.73.1386034727798; Mon, 02 Dec 2013 17:38:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.129.229 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 17:38:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.129.229 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 17:38:47 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 20:38:47 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Qemu / freeBsd on Android. From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Michel_Camir=E9?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.17 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2013 01:38:48 -0000 I'm completely new to freeBsd wich I intend to use via Qemu on my Samsung Galaxy Note 8 , Gt N5110 . Some say freeBsd is dead and that it would be better to consider Gnu/Linux as a successor. I don't know. I have some experience with Dos so, a command line doesn't look lethal to me. I would like to install a Gui in freeBsd 1st, and after install music applications from open sources like RoseGarden. Or maybe installing a different Os instead of freeBsd in Qemu. What do you think/ recommend. Many thanks. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 3 01:39:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 05E55929 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 01:39:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oa0-f46.google.com (mail-oa0-f46.google.com [209.85.219.46]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C33471A45 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 01:39:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oa0-f46.google.com with SMTP id o6so14246690oag.33 for ; Mon, 02 Dec 2013 17:38:56 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=c3gwpqR9GyeCk+XaLHasoKv+Z8xpWU96nNw7HsZIjA4=; b=RmcJbyBx8rOoDMG/r5EQk4qSw9dPdUFiOh9fPM7KGkH9rxwiMhrQU0RubG2nhdmbmI ww8GJFHxQitM4axeZNTs1WAo1/6pW6jx8YigFm2OOSDEKVXnwBkYToFfKDWGfe69dZbC f+5EFN9vRbpAN3rsP5pvOGUvCiWasEwR/zcYgNDabMRzYHjwG7c9dVagKEM1bgWDPZsk r1oFVh0sEKte7ydlRd+JxowoGT5LwoHpKLGP3LF0+/fbbuJCIXCC1DbvU4gJ3oVfLfiK 19YdiXaTAGvyJKkeNk+vuRJZmoNnJuFYL3p83JaaMjbpSlT1pp+OjUheTBF/EVGJgO6x B5Rg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnKE3e/4901kAvyVDUnK4nxW9/mo6GiQr/r2co4Q+A0yrkuKUQtTg2wJylU1/Uw0sxY/mMZ MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.22.135 with SMTP id d7mr6248524obf.1.1386030661047; Mon, 02 Dec 2013 16:31:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.60.21.69 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 16:31:00 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 16:31:00 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD 9 On ESXi 5.5? From: Michael Sierchio To: Drew Tomlinson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2013 01:39:03 -0000 On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Drew Tomlinson wrote: > I recently purchased an HP Proliant ML310 to replace an old server that > happily ran FBSD for 13 years before it died last month. > > Now because the hardware will support it, I'd like to learn about vSphere or > ESXi or whatever they are calling it these days as we are beginning to > migrate that way at work. Thus I would like to rebuild my FBSD box as a > guest. > > My new server has 4, 1TB drives. The onboard RAID controller will only do > mirroring or striping without parity. It will not do what I know of as > RAID5 where parity info is spread across the disks. Are you sure? I.e., are you sure it isn't just a driver issue? Do you have the HP-specific distro for ESXi? The one you get from VMware won't have the right driver for that RAID controller, for sure. > I used to use ZFS and like the redundancy it provides. However I've googled > and there seems to be a lot of posts about ZFS not working well in a virtual > machine. > > Does anyone have any insight on this? Good idea? Bad idea that will bite > me later? It is most important to me to have a machine that is reliable and > just runs like my old one did than to do anything fancy. I like a raid1z > pool because I could lose a disk and not lose data. However I do not want > to cause problems by using it in a vm since they are so easy to restore from > backups. The only way to use ZFS pools in any reasonable fashion with ESXi is to present iSCSI targets to the ESXi server from the host that has the pools. Just my $0.02 ($0.11 adjusted for inflation). From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 3 02:07:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 62F9DBBD for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 02:07:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from oneyou.mcmli.com (oneyou.mcmli.com [IPv6:2001:470:1d:8da::100]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 276371C99 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 02:07:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sentry.24cl.com (sentry.24cl.com [IPv6:2001:470:89e9:1:feed::1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "sentry.24cl.com", Issuer "Mike's Certificate Authority" (verified OK)) by oneyou.mcmli.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3dYRQf1gv6z1DN5 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 21:07:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from BigBloat (bigbloat.24cl.home [10.20.1.4]) by sentry.24cl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3dYRQc5MKYz1Bjc for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 21:07:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <201312022107040820.024FB565@smtp.24cl.home> In-Reply-To: References: <201311301303210813.05DE187E@smtp.24cl.home> <201312011121580096.005D00FB@smtp.24cl.home> <201312021213320528.00673D5F@smtp.24cl.home> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2013 21:07:04 -0500 From: "Mike." To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gmirror, gpart and MBR vs GPT in the Handbook Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2013 02:07:08 -0000 On 12/2/2013 at 2:21 PM Warren Block wrote: |On Mon, 2 Dec 2013, Mike. wrote: | |> My understanding is that MBR can be used with drives only up to |> and including 2TB in size. So if I use MBR, the maximum drive |> size I could use would be 2TB. Is that correct? | |As far as I recall, MBR expects 512-byte blocks and uses 32-bit values. |The total number works out to 2TB (2^32*512). | |Just recently, someone in the forums had an external drive, MBR format, |but 4K blocks. There were problems, although I don't know if FreeBSD |was at fault. | |I have not tried MBR on a drive larger than 2TB. I suspect it would be |safe to use the first 2TB and ignore the rest, but that really ought to |be verified. ============= At this point, the drives are 2TB, no more. So I should be OK. Thanks. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 3 03:23:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 236DF906 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 03:23:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtpout001.mac.com [17.158.236.236]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05B0710BD for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 03:23:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.163] ([24.237.133.115]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.08(7.0.4.27.7) 64bit (built Aug 22 2013)) with ESMTPSA id <0MX7007WKLAXDJ40@nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2013 02:23:22 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.11.72,1.0.14,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-12-02_04:2013-12-02,2013-12-02,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1308280000 definitions=main-1312020224 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.0 \(1822\)) Subject: Re: gmirror, gpart and MBR vs GPT in the Handbook From: Peter Giessel In-reply-to: <20131202184642.d35c4548.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2013 17:23:20 -0900 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Message-id: References: <201311301303210813.05DE187E@smtp.24cl.home> <201312011121580096.005D00FB@smtp.24cl.home> <201312021213320528.00673D5F@smtp.24cl.home> <20131202182623.43331984.freebsd@edvax.de> <201312021235030914.007AF1DF@smtp.24cl.home> <20131202184642.d35c4548.freebsd@edvax.de> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1822) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2013 03:23:41 -0000 On 2013, Dec 2, at 8:46, Polytropon wrote: > I think you're correct regarding this finding: The data type 2^32 > (because of 32 bit) defines the 2 TB limit. It applies both on > MBR (which stores 32 bit values) and UFS (which also stores 32 > bit values). However, I've never dealt with disks > 2 TB _and_ > UFS before, so I can't add specific individual findings. :-) UFS works on drives bigger than 3 TB (ref /dev/da1p1 and = /dev/mirror/gm0.journal): [17:20][media: ~]> df -h Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/da0s1a 247M 216M 11M 95% / devfs 1.0k 1.0k 0B 100% /dev /dev/da1p1 4T 3.6T 82G 98% /media /dev/da0s1e 3.9G 5.1M 3.6G 0% /tmp /dev/da0s1f 7.5G 5.8G 1.1G 84% /usr /dev/da0s1d 3.9G 733M 2.9G 20% /var /dev/mirror/gm0.journal 2.7T 1.8T 645G 74% /media/mythtv [17:20][media: ~]> more /etc/fstab # Device Mountpoint FStype Options Dump = Pass# /dev/da0s1b none swap sw 0 = 0 /dev/da0s1a / ufs rw 1 = 1 /dev/da1p1 /media ufs rw 2 = 2 /dev/da0s1e /tmp ufs rw 2 = 2 /dev/da0s1f /usr ufs rw 2 = 2 /dev/da0s1d /var ufs rw 2 = 2 /dev/mirror/gm0.journal /media/mythtv ufs rw,async 2 = 2 /dev/acd0 /cdrom cd9660 ro,noauto 0 = 0 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 3 05:46:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AA7EA932; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 05:46:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from webmail.dweimer.net (24-240-198-187.static.stls.mo.charter.com [24.240.198.187]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4119E16C3; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 05:46:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from www.dweimer.net (webmail.dweimer.local [192.168.5.2]) by webmail.dweimer.net (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id rB35I8er030095 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 2 Dec 2013 23:18:09 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2013 23:18:08 -0600 From: dweimer To: Drew Tomlinson Subject: Re: FreeBSD 9 On ESXi =?UTF-8?Q?=35=2E=35=3F?= Organization: dweimer.net Mail-Reply-To: dweimer@dweimer.net In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: X-Sender: dweimer@dweimer.net User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.0-beta Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: dweimer@dweimer.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2013 05:46:05 -0000 On 12/02/2013 6:15 pm, Drew Tomlinson wrote: > I recently purchased an HP Proliant ML310 to replace an old server > that happily ran FBSD for 13 years before it died last month. > > Now because the hardware will support it, I'd like to learn about > vSphere or ESXi or whatever they are calling it these days as we are > beginning to migrate that way at work. Thus I would like to rebuild > my FBSD box as a guest. > > My new server has 4, 1TB drives. The onboard RAID controller will > only do mirroring or striping without parity. It will not do what I > know of as RAID5 where parity info is spread across the disks. I had > hoped to use the 4 drives as one logical 3 TB drive with parity. But > since I can't, I have set it up as 4 single drives and therefore have > 4 different drives in which I could create virtual drives for my FBSD > guest. It was my thought that then I could use these 4 virtual drives > and build my FBSD on ZFS, just as I would if it were bare metal. > > I used to use ZFS and like the redundancy it provides. However I've > googled and there seems to be a lot of posts about ZFS not working > well in a virtual machine. > > Does anyone have any insight on this? Good idea? Bad idea that will > bite me later? It is most important to me to have a machine that is > reliable and just runs like my old one did than to do anything fancy. > I like a raid1z pool because I could lose a disk and not lose data. > However I do not want to cause problems by using it in a vm since they > are so easy to restore from backups. > > Thanks, > > Drew > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" I have multiple FreeBSD 9.0, 9.1, and 9.2 machines running on ESX 5.1, a single 9.2, and a 10 beta build on esx 5.5. All running ZFS, but not raidz, or even mirrors, just single disk (disk storage is in redundant iSCSI san or direct attach raid), my systems are booting from zfs for the benefit of boot environments. Its stable, but I haven't done any benchmarks for performance as the ones I am running are not heavy I/O. If the system supports Direct path I/O it should work without a whole lot of overhead, and give you near native speed to the disks, but the hardware that is supported is fairly limited and on the costly side. If you have the hardware already, and have the time to test it, give it a shot, and see if the performance is where you need it. Its all going to depend on your usage case if its going to work. -- Thanks, Dean E. Weimer http://www.dweimer.net/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 3 06:38:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EEDD6D3C for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 06:38:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AC25B18DD for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 06:38:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-106-241.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.106.241]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0E4223D164; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 07:38:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id rB36cUTp007459; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 07:38:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 07:38:30 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Peter Giessel Subject: Re: gmirror, gpart and MBR vs GPT in the Handbook Message-Id: <20131203073830.bdc50afd.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <201311301303210813.05DE187E@smtp.24cl.home> <201312011121580096.005D00FB@smtp.24cl.home> <201312021213320528.00673D5F@smtp.24cl.home> <20131202182623.43331984.freebsd@edvax.de> <201312021235030914.007AF1DF@smtp.24cl.home> <20131202184642.d35c4548.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2013 06:38:53 -0000 On Mon, 02 Dec 2013 17:23:20 -0900, Peter Giessel wrote: > UFS works on drives bigger than 3 TB (ref /dev/da1p1 and /dev/mirror/gm0.journal): That's impressive! Did you apply any special tuning for newfs, or did you require something "non-standard" when creating the partitions? I'm just asking because sooner or later I will probably get disks > 2 TB and intend to use them with UFS. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 3 07:09:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CE02B220 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 07:09:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm18.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm18.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 70E671A5B for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 07:09:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [66.196.81.160] by nm18.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2013 07:07:18 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.159] by tm6.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2013 07:07:18 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp119.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2013 07:07:18 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bellsouth.net; s=s1024; t=1386054438; bh=Gj5kjeqqZSGr+WLNCNfFVvVGs2btJt1hM4VPnQmhQSc=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:Message-ID:Date:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:Subject:References; b=sbC9CY8UJikGvXXqsh6UdHkfyCze+9o9jfglyvrg0VZ2zJ/t4bA2j+ZiHxOLJIBYaagP1ydNru1ekM4wM3nKaHSqHFum/qpFGIxW5fjYd7EMHMDP4wMVLJ3IzBCKHalqjBBju1dT4skp5rP13QB1Qu1M9XbBqUy0bBP/ngpbsoI= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 251695.62121.bm@smtp119.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Message-ID: <251695.62121.bm@smtp119.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 07:07:18 +0000 (UTC) X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: iOf0MNoVM1kAmi0Zq79ye_ME7n5.SD9EHOHzAgkz_iHZE_w cCeeD8vMlNhghjLqbo0MfKfq4WBBLwmbQ3L8AxziYzDgeUoOHOwdviRZuF.X idIYNfWgOTO98Jhe2jSqicP21i9yeg90HAqnEE370ZkI5HrfZrtNkIkN2Apx PhbmslJ3v7FKC3BYh0v.r9vuixJ_aN4LUgdiJd_ZHpbEhz54OdCduU5YOJxP HCPUKZ.23vpiG.q9D6vkZR69VAAGNbD1XxEF1H1H54ZTyn_cGi17TI9OO.Im T8Q0RuC9Au.cuuvQIkN3ddnaT4x.9LrJcCflmenFlhf6o_AUZZhwmxUWtEca M_UFxpQ8QWot0LrZ9.sUqnHIg6rb4SD0GB_SOaKtHx_BleqE9j1xC1cAJ1lU yq9Kw2xCOU0cyP3FuyWKIvAWSKAB1za2vuepbSaccbX3ixWJ.F9FY3xvmGWy CVPMc3ghLEt2n7v4cA88QkRxBsAzK8oB9AqWzN_cHWjS03FUnS0hYrl8sAQE zQiZQ27HbYe8jxAw9CzSK9bxxnzvp73rB6gOnBNEp2Dl.wkCWGGj06suZv3O 1R.HZyUhVTavdNnH19v_6sTt2ntXKlJYhoKyh...9Cwn1BN1ln80cFHaXSMt G9nt44C28W1k7pDEz0vgqqPBm_NxI8aYRwiPpL3iBfd2P.IA- X-Yahoo-SMTP: Kz_aW1.swBBYof3zAD7.RWzXz9ZAQVDMml1VADsbgPT4Kq79LC0- X-Rocket-Received: from localhost (mueller6724@96.28.178.143 with ) by smtp119.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Dec 2013 07:07:18 +0000 UTC From: "Thomas Mueller" To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: gmirror, gpart and MBR vs GPT in the Handbook References: <201311301303210813.05DE187E@smtp.24cl.home> <201312011121580096.005D00FB@smtp.24cl.home> <201312021213320528.00673D5F@smtp.24cl.home> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2013 07:09:20 -0000 from Warren Block: > As far as I recall, MBR expects 512-byte blocks and uses 32-bit > values. The total number works out to 2TB (2^32*512). > Just recently, someone in the forums had an external drive, MBR > format, but 4K blocks. There were problems, although I don't know if > FreeBSD was at fault. > I have not tried MBR on a drive larger than 2TB. I suspect it would > be safe to use the first 2TB and ignore the rest, but that really > ought to be verified. There are ways (kludges) to get MBR on a drive > 2TB. Western Digital My Book 3TB USB 3.0 hard drive was formatted with a single huge NTFS partition with some software. In order to copy the stuff, which I've never used, I had to use the System Rescue CD. Subsequently I migrated to GPT, deleted the huge partition, and made my own GPT partitions. OpenBSD has a kludge with fdisk + disklabel whereby everything over 2TB goes into one (or more) disklabel partitions, but boot partition must be entirely within first 2TB. I never tried that and don't plan to. fdisk can't see the slice that goes past 2TB, but OpenBSD can, according to what I read on OpenBSD online documentation. I never tried that. OpenBSD can't access my hard drive at all for lack of support for USB 3.0 and GPT. DragonFlyBSD latest release, 3.6.0, downloaded, bzip2 -d and dd'ed to USB sticks recognizes my hard drive partitions but can't mount any. So all I can do with OpenBSD is download the Live USB from liveusb-openbsd.sourceforge.net, run 7z e on the download, which is 7-zipped. 7-zip (archivers/p7zip) is in FreeBSD ports, which is how I built it. NetBSD supports GPT, but the dk wedges are not as elegant as what FreeBSD and Linux do. NetBSD seems to be just starting with USB 3.0 support in -current. NetBSD and OpenBSD still use preassigned device nodes with MAKEDEV such as Linux and FreeBSD had some years back. This is actually sort of a combined response to two threads, other one being Re: kernel "mismatch" on r256420. Tom From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 3 07:40:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1945273F for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 07:40:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtpout001.mac.com [17.158.236.236]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEBD31CF8 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 07:40:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.163] ([24.237.133.115]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.08(7.0.4.27.7) 64bit (built Aug 22 2013)) with ESMTPSA id <0MX7001ADZZBP440@nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2013 07:40:24 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.11.72,1.0.14,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-12-03_03:2013-12-03,2013-12-03,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1308280000 definitions=main-1312020301 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 MIME-version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.0 \(1822\)) Subject: Re: gmirror, gpart and MBR vs GPT in the Handbook From: Peter Giessel In-reply-to: <20131203073830.bdc50afd.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2013 22:40:22 -0900 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Message-id: <61E74CD0-887D-4824-9752-3142D7ABAABB@mac.com> References: <201311301303210813.05DE187E@smtp.24cl.home> <201312011121580096.005D00FB@smtp.24cl.home> <201312021213320528.00673D5F@smtp.24cl.home> <20131202182623.43331984.freebsd@edvax.de> <201312021235030914.007AF1DF@smtp.24cl.home> <20131202184642.d35c4548.freebsd@edvax.de> <20131203073830.bdc50afd.freebsd@edvax.de> To: Polytropon X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1822) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2013 07:40:35 -0000 On 2013, Dec 2, at 21:38, Polytropon wrote: > On Mon, 02 Dec 2013 17:23:20 -0900, Peter Giessel wrote: >> UFS works on drives bigger than 3 TB (ref /dev/da1p1 and = /dev/mirror/gm0.journal): >=20 > That's impressive! Did you apply any special tuning for newfs, > or did you require something "non-standard" when creating the > partitions? I'm just asking because sooner or later I will > probably get disks > 2 TB and intend to use them with UFS. :-) As I recall, with the gmirrored 3TB drives (/dev/mirror/gm0.journal), I = pretty much followed this: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/geom-gjournal.html But of course, I substituted: gjournal label /dev/mirror/gm0 and newfs -O 2 -J /dev/mirror/gm0.journal for: gjournal label /dev/da4 and newfs -O 2 -J /dev/da4.journal respectively. Also a big *THANK YOU* to Warren Block as I found the Handbook section = 19.4.3. extremely useful in setting up gmirror. There are no tweaks or special tuning. Its an old repurposed Pentium 4 = running: # uname -a FreeBSD media.REDACTED 9.2-STABLE FreeBSD 9.2-STABLE #0: Sun Nov 10 = 08:09:31 AKST 2013 root@media.REDACTED:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MEDIA = i386 The kernel is nothing special, just a GENERIC kernel with a bunch of = stuff that I wasn=92t using commented out to save resources. /dev/daX is a 3ware raid5 divided into 2 volumes (so I could use = traditional MBR, etc with the smaller volume): #tw_cli /c0 show all /c0 Driver Version =3D 3.80.06.003 /c0 Model =3D 9550SXU-4LP /c0 Available Memory =3D 112MB /c0 Firmware Version =3D FE9X 3.08.00.029 /c0 Bios Version =3D BE9X 3.10.00.003 /c0 Boot Loader Version =3D BL9X 3.02.00.001 /c0 Serial Number =3D L320912A9410199 /c0 PCB Version =3D Rev 032 /c0 PCHIP Version =3D 1.60 /c0 ACHIP Version =3D 1.90 /c0 Number of Ports =3D 4 /c0 Number of Drives =3D 4 /c0 Number of Units =3D 1 /c0 Total Optimal Units =3D 1 /c0 Not Optimal Units =3D 0=20 /c0 JBOD Export Policy =3D off /c0 Disk Spinup Policy =3D 1 /c0 Spinup Stagger Time Policy (sec) =3D 1 /c0 Auto-Carving Policy =3D off /c0 Auto-Carving Size =3D 2048 GB /c0 Auto-Rebuild Policy =3D on /c0 Rebuild Rate =3D 1 /c0 Verify Rate =3D 1 /c0 Controller Bus Type =3D PCIX /c0 Controller Bus Width =3D 64 bits /c0 Controller Bus Speed =3D 66 Mhz Unit UnitType Status %RCmpl %V/I/M Stripe Size(GB) Cache = AVrfy = --------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- u0 RAID-5 OK - - 64K 4190.92 ON = OFF =20 Port Status Unit Size Blocks Serial --------------------------------------------------------------- p0 OK u0 1.82 TB 3907029168 Z1F3MCT3 = <- replacement drive=20 p1 OK u0 1.82 TB 3907029168 S1F0CN97 = <- replacement drive=20 p2 OK u0 1.82 TB 3907029168 W1E430FV = <- replacement drive p3 OK u0 1.36 TB 2930277168 9VS2X5P6 = <- original drive 3 of the 4 drives have died in the 5 years since I set this up (hence = the size disparity)... #tw_cli /c0/u0 show all /c0/u0 status =3D OK /c0/u0 is not rebuilding, its current state is OK /c0/u0 is not verifying, its current state is OK /c0/u0 is initialized. /c0/u0 Write Cache =3D on /c0/u0 volume(s) =3D 2 /c0/u0 name =3D =20 /c0/u0 serial number =3D 9VS2Y6AV80EE4B00AB32=20 /c0/u0 Ignore ECC policy =3D off =20 /c0/u0 Auto Verify Policy =3D off =20 /c0/u0 Storsave Policy =3D protection =20 /c0/u0 Command Queuing Policy =3D on =20 Unit UnitType Status %RCmpl %V/I/M Port Stripe Size(GB) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ u0 RAID-5 OK - - - 64K 4190.92 = =20 u0-0 DISK OK - - p3 - 1396.97 = =20 u0-1 DISK OK - - p2 - 1396.97 = =20 u0-2 DISK OK - - p1 - 1396.97 = =20 u0-3 DISK OK - - p0 - 1396.97 = =20 u0/v0 Volume - - - - - 20 = =20 u0/v1 Volume - - - - - 4170.92= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 3 09:24:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 11A2DBDF for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 09:24:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from avasout07.plus.net (avasout07.plus.net [84.93.230.235]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7023B126A for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 09:24:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from curlew.milibyte.co.uk ([84.92.153.232]) by avasout07 with smtp id wxQC1m00E516WCc01xQE5a; Tue, 03 Dec 2013 09:24:14 +0000 X-CM-Score: 0.00 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=Z9fVQhhA c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=lfSX4pPLp9EkufIcToJk/A==:117 a=lfSX4pPLp9EkufIcToJk/A==:17 a=D7rCoLxHAAAA:8 a=0Bzu9jTXAAAA:8 a=mSnCZvPJBnkA:10 a=g8DGSEr-gRIA:10 a=ZTb9aqGL9YkA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=RIXHdJ6alCwA:10 a=q0n7p7B2q6PqFC4qvXAA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 Received: from curlew.lan ([192.168.1.13]) by curlew.milibyte.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1VnmDE-00016I-Ad for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2013 09:24:12 +0000 From: Mike Clarke To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 09:24:10 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/9.1-RELEASE-p7; KDE/4.10.5; amd64; ; ) References: <201312012352.01075.freebsd01@dgmm.net> <529C4213.2010307@sdf.org> <201312022040.11070.freebsd01@dgmm.net> In-Reply-To: <201312022040.11070.freebsd01@dgmm.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201312030924.10969.jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk> X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 192.168.1.13 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on curlew.lan X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 Subject: Re: System reboots ~3am during daily periodic 450.status-security run Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on curlew.milibyte.co.uk) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2013 09:24:23 -0000 On Monday 02 Dec 2013 20:40:11 dgmm wrote: > This does bring to mind something I'd not previously thought of. Except > for the rare times I leave a job running overnight, periodic never > runs. I'll have a to make a decision on what to do about that. Consider sysutils/anacron Anacron can be used to execute commands periodically, with a frequency specified in days. Unlike cron(8), it does not assume that the machine is running continuously. Hence, it can be used on machines that aren't running 24 hours a day, to control daily, weekly, and monthly jobs that are usually controlled by cron. -- Mike Clarke From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 3 09:26:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B3784D9E for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 09:26:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relaygateway02.edpnet.net (relaygateway02.edpnet.net [212.71.1.211]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E3701294 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 09:26:10 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmIHAIminVJNbXbJ/2dsb2JhbABagwc4g020VAKBF4EYF3SCJQEBBAEjMyMQCw4KAgIFEw4CAg8FJSSIDgqwVolbhmQTBIEpjGprB4JrNYETA5gTAZITgyo7 X-IPAS-Result: AmIHAIminVJNbXbJ/2dsb2JhbABagwc4g020VAKBF4EYF3SCJQEBBAEjMyMQCw4KAgIFEw4CAg8FJSSIDgqwVolbhmQTBIEpjGprB4JrNYETA5gTAZITgyo7 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.93,816,1378850400"; d="scan'208";a="209607091" Received: from 77.109.118.201.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net (HELO mordor.lan) ([77.109.118.201]) by relaygateway02.edpnet.net with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 03 Dec 2013 10:10:28 +0100 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 10:26:04 +0100 From: Julien Cigar To: Warren Block Subject: Re: gmirror, gpart and MBR vs GPT in the Handbook Message-ID: <20131203092604.GA86280@mordor.lan> References: <201311301303210813.05DE187E@smtp.24cl.home> <201312011121580096.005D00FB@smtp.24cl.home> <20131202103122.GN66981@mordor.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.22 (2013-10-16) Cc: "Mike." , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2013 09:26:11 -0000 On Mon, Dec 02, 2013 at 08:56:13AM -0700, Warren Block wrote: > On Mon, 2 Dec 2013, Julien Cigar wrote: > > > If you want to use GPT with gmirror you may want to mirror each > > partition instead of the whole disk. > > > > For example on my box I have the following: https://dpaste.de/Rb3S > > There are a couple of potential problems with that. The big one is when > a disk fails and is replaced. If you're not careful, the rebuild of all > those mirrored partitions will start at the same time. Head contention > will bring that to a near-standstill. It also puts a heavy load on the > drive that still works. Hopefully it is not the same model and age as > the one that failed, or its "warranty timer" may also be close to > expiring. That's true, I turned off autosynchronization of stale components to avoid this kind of bad scenario .. > > A less-serious problem is that only the partitions are mirrored. That > leaves out metadata like the partition tables and bootcode, but those > typically do not change very often and might not be a problem. The > admin has to remember to manually install such things on a new > replacement disk, though. It's just a matter of gpart backup / gpart restore, right ? -- No trees were killed in the creation of this message. However, many electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 3 09:48:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D91B150F for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 09:48:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qa0-x236.google.com (mail-qa0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c00::236]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9606113D1 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 09:48:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qa0-f54.google.com with SMTP id f11so5428797qae.20 for ; Tue, 03 Dec 2013 01:48:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=UAuBaFdh6Bg5GVdiIiQiw5LQqi2XOJOvtoogjDGLUAw=; b=mAAr2+XGvNHnyLBuO1vS2oYfYiBhBzKMtOBtSk9EIlpH8bE9sSHKY6P1I7U+GR1ThN 59VfpDmGX4UUqhHvZY1FBCuORJ95Xr+fcO5fvlEE9izoLcRl+lSO3CUhmdUTh38VHEqB 7X5UgnuKzyE0WqcqecmtpFbPKXkoewaU8fKj0+9e6WN9vAF2KkuBOXqvccnnabELEv6e OpwVF8HQNJGgPNtrAPeOjaXffY9s+6y2k7BI/CiPNtfhoJL11YokV8yUETyM+ldYxXuq gNFdRzdBgGBRtYLlldOYgzcB4lal0/EJQnIDfWm0VkQN9EJfGIMt6ycY0iVdZOSjnN7h mFsA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.229.137.135 with SMTP id w7mr122911779qct.14.1386064084399; Tue, 03 Dec 2013 01:48:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.224.36.137 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 01:48:04 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <201312030924.10969.jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk> References: <201312012352.01075.freebsd01@dgmm.net> <529C4213.2010307@sdf.org> <201312022040.11070.freebsd01@dgmm.net> <201312030924.10969.jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk> Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 09:48:04 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: System reboots ~3am during daily periodic 450.status-security run From: krad To: Mike Clarke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.17 Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2013 09:48:05 -0000 or you could use the @reboot option, that would mean it always runs at crons start, which may not be what you want, Alternatively you could cron your script every x period and get it to touch a file in /tmp, if its younger than x, the script terminates, if not you retouch and carry on. More messy but no extra software. With regards to partition layouts, I think sticking everything on / is crazy, and is geared up more for novice users who want flexibility. However if you want flexibility you should really use zfs in my opinion if at all possible. On a production ufs system I always keep the / fs purely read only apart from system updates. If I want to save mountpoints, i will drop /usr and /usr/local, but never /var /tmp, and /home On 3 December 2013 09:24, Mike Clarke wrote: > On Monday 02 Dec 2013 20:40:11 dgmm wrote: > > > This does bring to mind something I'd not previously thought of. Except > > for the rare times I leave a job running overnight, periodic never > > runs. I'll have a to make a decision on what to do about that. > > Consider sysutils/anacron > > Anacron can be used to execute commands periodically, with a frequency > specified in days. Unlike cron(8), it does not assume that the machine is > running continuously. Hence, it can be used on machines that aren't > running > 24 hours a day, to control daily, weekly, and monthly jobs that are usually > controlled by cron. > > -- > Mike Clarke > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 3 11:45:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FD2E7F7 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 11:45:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from outbound-queue-2.mail.thdo.gradwell.net (outbound-queue-2.mail.thdo.gradwell.net [212.11.70.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 125521D07 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 11:45:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from outbound-edge-2.mail.thdo.gradwell.net (bonnie.gradwell.net [212.11.70.2]) by outbound-queue-2.mail.thdo.gradwell.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C97E65558B for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 11:44:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cpc7-jarr12-2-0-cust882.16-2.cable.virginm.net (HELO amd.asgard.uk) (92.238.71.115) (smtp-auth username fbsd%pop3.dgmm.net, mechanism plain) by outbound-edge-2.mail.thdo.gradwell.net (qpsmtpd/0.83) with ESMTPA; Tue, 03 Dec 2013 11:44:49 +0000 From: dgmm To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: System reboots ~3am during daily periodic 450.status-security run Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 11:44:40 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/9.1-RELEASE-p7; KDE/4.10.5; amd64; ; ) References: <201312012352.01075.freebsd01@dgmm.net> <201312030924.10969.jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201312031144.40570.freebsd01@dgmm.net> X-Gradwell-MongoId: 529dc431.859b-7525-2 X-Gradwell-Auth-Method: mailbox X-Gradwell-Auth-Credentials: fbsd@pop3.dgmm.net X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2013 11:45:59 -0000 On Tuesday 03 December 2013 09:48:04 krad wrote: > or you could use the @reboot option, that would mean it always runs at > crons start, which may not be what you want, Yes, that was my first thought but the overheads at boot time might be inconvenient although I'll try it to find out. > Alternatively you could cron > your script every x period and get it to touch a file in /tmp, if its > younger than x, the script terminates, if not you retouch and carry on. > More messy but no extra software. That's a good thought. > With regards to partition layouts, I think sticking everything on / is > crazy, and is geared up more for novice users who want flexibility. However > if you want flexibility you should really use zfs in my opinion if at all > possible. On a production ufs system I always keep the / fs purely read > only apart from system updates. If I want to save mountpoints, i will drop > /usr and /usr/local, but never /var /tmp, and /home zfs as boot drive was still reletively complex to set up, in my mind at least, when I built this box and yes, I also thought "everything on root" possibly wasn't the right way to go, but I thought I'd give it a try since the handbook recommended it. /home is seperate, but next build will have seperate mount points, whether zfs or ufs :-) > On 3 December 2013 09:24, Mike Clarke wrote: > > On Monday 02 Dec 2013 20:40:11 dgmm wrote: > > > This does bring to mind something I'd not previously thought of. > > > Except for the rare times I leave a job running overnight, periodic > > > never runs. I'll have a to make a decision on what to do about that. > > > > Consider sysutils/anacron > > > > Anacron can be used to execute commands periodically, with a frequency > > specified in days. Unlike cron(8), it does not assume that the machine > > is running continuously. Hence, it can be used on machines that aren't > > running > > 24 hours a day, to control daily, weekly, and monthly jobs that are > > usually controlled by cron. > > > > -- > > Mike Clarke > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 3 13:31:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CEBDFF1D for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 13:31:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8208A12A8 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 13:31:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.35] (host86-161-161-3.range86-161.btcentralplus.com [86.161.161.3]) (authenticated bits=0) by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id rB3DF5rm066703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 13:15:05 GMT (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Message-ID: <529DD95A.50103@fjl.co.uk> Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2013 13:15:06 +0000 From: Frank Leonhardt User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: dhcpd static binding problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.17 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2013 13:31:15 -0000 Below I've got a dhcpd.conf file, with only symbolic names changed and comments removed. It generally works just fine, until today when I added the static binding for WINDOWSVISTA-PC. Previously it was on the dynamically allo