From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 28 02:19:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C411106566B for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 02:19:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F15538FC12 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 02:19:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-196-52-176.dynamic.qsc.de [92.196.52.176]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE34416C0122; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 03:19:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n0S2IuFf002141; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 03:18:56 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 03:18:55 +0100 From: Polytropon To: RW Message-Id: <20090128031855.1d32d79c.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20090127181509.66221353@gumby.homeunix.com> References: <20090123191547.fd43d651.ejcerejo@optonline.net> <20090126150019.387d538b.freebsd@edvax.de> <92bcbda50901260702h503648b6gc5c17b1ae9f211e@mail.gmail.com> <200901270831.24856.jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za> <1233039375.1202.24.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20090127160434.74f04bef@gumby.homeunix.com> <20090127174717.S18021@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20090127181509.66221353@gumby.homeunix.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: KDE: What a monster! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 02:19:03 -0000 On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:15:09 +0000, RW wrote: > IMO these basic window managers are ok if you *only* use them via a > keyboard, but if you ever use a mouse they're very poor ergonomically. Well, I found this a problem, too, but very early recognized that there are window managers that can actually combine keyboard AND mouse control at a very user-friendly level. Such a window manager is WindowMaker. It can even utilize the keys on the left of a Sun Type 6 keyboard for window manager functions (front, back, roll up, hide, full- screen etc.) which "the big DEs" can't. What I don't like personally about "the big DEs" is their way of handling windows through the means of the mouse. You're forced to click on tiny buttons, and if you enlarge the control buttons, you end up with uselessly wasting screen space. In WindowMaker, there are many operations that don't force me to first move the mouse to a certain place and THEN do the operation I want. This makes windowing operations, especially in operations context, very fast and easily. So professional window managing isn't about minimalism only. There are other window managers that can provide effects and "bells and whistles" very efficiently, if you think you need them. But, of course, they're not "mainstream". -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...