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Date:      Tue, 11 Feb 2014 08:29:20 -0500
From:      Jason Hellenthal <jhellenthal@dataix.net>
To:        Mark Martinec <Mark.Martinec+freebsd@ijs.si>
Cc:        "freebsd-net@freebsd.org" <freebsd-net@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: Merge ping+ping6 and traceroue+traceroute6 to single utilities?
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Something like this should not be that hard to convince anyone to commit the=
 change. I've seen three IIRC people in the past that had patches and they a=
lso commented on how easy it was.

Why on earth I don't understand people need to pull their grey beards out ov=
er something that isn't going to interfere with their day to day lives if do=
ne correctly.

As you say . . . cisco, Juniper, Microsoft, but yet FreeBSD is regarded as  .=
 . . Advanced network operating system.

Just because a new protocol is invented doesn't mean that there should be a s=
eparate utility. That's an annoyance and a write off to do the right thing.

Otherwise we may as well start writing everything to be protocol dependent.

Regards to just ping though aren't 9/10 times you are using it because name s=
ervices have failed in some way so you are providing an address ?

One of my daughters under the age of 10 knows the difference between v4 and v=
6 addresses. Uses windows ping and is confused by *ix systems because ping d=
oesn't recognize ::1. Try to explain that to someone under ten. In a way it'=
s a little embarrassing.


--=20
 Jason Hellenthal
 Voice: 95.30.17.6/616
 JJH48-ARIN

> On Feb 11, 2014, at 5:56, Mark Martinec <Mark.Martinec+freebsd@ijs.si> wro=
te:
>=20
> 2014-02-11 10:00, Jason Hellenthal wrote:
>> ping localhost ("grab any name, you just want to know its alive")
>> ping 127.0.0.1 ("you know you are pinging v4 without a doubt")
>> ping ::1 ("you also know you are pinging v6 without a doubt")
>> ping -4 localhost ("you know you are getting v4 without a doubt")
>> ping -6 localhost ("you know you are getting v6 without a doubt")
>> ping -4 ::1 ("must be retarded in some way")
>=20
> That's how it works in several commercial routers (Cisco, Summit, Juniper,=
 ...)
> and that's how it works in Windows 7/8.  No surprises to a user there,
> 'does the right thing'.
>=20
>> Doing it right and merging these two would leave for more constructive us=
e.
> [...]
>> There is no reason whatsoever that these utilities cannot be combined. An=
d
>> there is one very valid reason they should be.
> [...]
>> Quite frankly I am tired of seeing the old pessimism and paradigms that
>> projects keep falling into over silly little subtle changes.
>=20
> Remember the original PHK's story ( http://bikeshed.com/ ) ?
> It ended favourably for the sleep(1) command, it got its new feature.
> What can be learned there is: just needs someone to do it and be
> persistent enough to be accepted.
>=20
> Looks like a perfect task for Google Summer of Code 2014,
> time to apply is very near:
>  http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2014
>=20
>=20
> Mark
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