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RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.51)[-1.512]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 12:48:58 -0000 Hi, I strongly recommend against Enlightenment, since it suffers from all the pi= tfalls all desktop environments suffer from and it=E2=80=99s not maintained b= y such a huge group of maintainers, as other desktop environments are. Btw. s= ince you like to get a modern look, you unlikely like the decades old clumsy= themes available for Enlightenment. If you want to avoid tiling window managers, but want to get something reall= y small, take a look at JWM, it comes close to Openbox and at least on Linux= it is as rock-solid as Openbox is. However, when I migrated away from Xfce years ago on Linux, I tested a lot o= f alternatives and ended with JWM and Openbox. After a while openbox became t= he only WM for me. You could =E2=80=9Cdd=E2=80=9D NomadBSD to an USB stick, to test the look an= d feel of openbox running on FreeBSD, https://nomadbsd.org/screenshots/nomad= bsd-1.3-ss1.png . It=E2=80=99s a live FreeBSD, that by default does use open= box. Unfortunately https://nomadbsd.org/ downloads can=E2=80=99t be checked again= st a signed checksum, but this shouldn=E2=80=99t matter for testing openbox o= n FreeBSD, if you anyway will install a window manager on you machine. Depending on the panel/s etc. you chose, you get the menu and features you w= ant to get for Xfce, without gvfs and other Gnome pitfalls. Regards, Ralf=