From owner-freebsd-chat Sun May 5 10:30:55 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp3.knology.net (user-24-214-63-13.knology.net [24.214.63.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2EB2237B409 for ; Sun, 5 May 2002 10:30:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 24160 invoked by uid 8002); 5 May 2002 17:30:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO grumpy.dyndns.org) (24.214.210.89) by smtp3.knology.net with SMTP; 5 May 2002 17:30:51 -0000 Received: from grumpy.dyndns.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grumpy.dyndns.org (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g45HUp4I050206; Sun, 5 May 2002 12:30:51 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dkelly@grumpy.dyndns.org) Message-Id: <200205051730.g45HUp4I050206@grumpy.dyndns.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: "Jeremy C. Reed" Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: David Kelly Subject: Re: KMail or Evolution?? In-reply-to: Message from "Jeremy C. Reed" of "Sat, 04 May 2002 10:39:37 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 12:30:51 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Jeremy C. Reed" writes: > On Fri, 3 May 2002, David Kelly wrote: > > > I need to be more careful of what I say on mailing lists where Murphy is > > listening. Walked into work this morning and was mobbed by a W32.Klez > > hell of infection. > > > One reason I use Macintosh at work. Especially for internet and email. > > On Sat, 4 May 2002, Brad Knowles wrote: > > > Welcome to the club. ;-) > > What advantage does Macintosh have over FreeBSD in regards to this > W32.Klez? A Macintosh is an easier sell to the boss. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun May 5 12:39:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.uninterruptible.net (ns1.uninterruptible.net [216.7.46.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DDFD37B403 for ; Sun, 5 May 2002 12:39:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Spaz.Catonic.NET (tnt6-216-180-4-192.dialup.HiWAAY.net [216.180.4.192]) by mail.uninterruptible.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BA8750024; Sun, 5 May 2002 19:39:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: by Spaz.Catonic.NET (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 79C833223; Sun, 5 May 2002 19:39:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Spaz.Catonic.NET (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74DA54C50; Sun, 5 May 2002 19:39:32 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 19:39:32 +0000 (GMT) From: Kris Kirby To: David Kelly Cc: "Jeremy C. Reed" , Subject: Re: KMail or Evolution?? In-Reply-To: <200205051730.g45HUp4I050206@grumpy.dyndns.org> Message-ID: X-Tech-Support-Email: bofh@catonic.net Organization: Non Illegitemus Carborundum Inc. X-Disclaimer: My opinions are not those of my employer(s). X-Driving-The-Information-Superhighway-Joke: Asleep at the wheel. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 5 May 2002, David Kelly wrote: > A Macintosh is an easier sell to the boss. And if they want to flub on the price, you just tell them that the software is more or less the same or similar for nearly the same price. And if they want to flub about that, educate them as to software EULAs and the legality of having one single user license and fifty installed copies of the software. -- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR | TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. | IM: KrisBSD | HSV, AL. ------------------------------------------------------- "Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun May 5 19:13:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp1.knology.net (user-24-214-63-226.knology.net [24.214.63.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 863D337B408 for ; Sun, 5 May 2002 19:13:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 12870 invoked by uid 8002); 6 May 2002 02:13:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO grumpy.dyndns.org) (24.214.210.89) by smtp1.knology.net with SMTP; 6 May 2002 02:13:28 -0000 Received: from grumpy.dyndns.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grumpy.dyndns.org (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g462DR4I052715; Sun, 5 May 2002 21:13:27 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dkelly@grumpy.dyndns.org) Message-Id: <200205060213.g462DR4I052715@grumpy.dyndns.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Kris Kirby Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: David Kelly Subject: Re: KMail or Evolution?? In-reply-to: Message from Kris Kirby of "Sun, 05 May 2002 19:39:32 -0000." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 21:13:27 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Kris Kirby writes: > On Sun, 5 May 2002, David Kelly wrote: > > A Macintosh is an easier sell to the boss. > > And if they want to flub on the price, you just tell them that the > software is more or less the same or similar for nearly the same price. I wasn't really thinking of the "cost of purchase" sell. Sometimes FreeBSD or Linux can't be justified as the person's "reasons" boil down to little more than "I want to play with it on work time." In prior employment, which Kris knows something about, my job involved keeping roughly 30 SGI and Sun workstations secure and running correctly. Wiping Windows off the 24MB P-133 which was provided for my desk was a very easy "sell". In current employment I'm back to embedded systems. It happens the schematic and PCB tools I've been using the past 9 years are MacOS based. Keeping my Mac is an easy "sell". While I'd *like* to have MacOS X on it, that would be back in the "playing" territory as my tools don't run under X, yet. So I bought a Titanium Powerbook and play with MacOS X at home. When IPsec is added to Darwin I'll use a wireless link (and IPsec) to this FreeBSD machine and may abandon it as my primary home internet user interface. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun May 5 20:54: 9 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from vienna9.his.com (vienna9.his.com [216.200.68.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D584037B408 for ; Sun, 5 May 2002 20:54:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.8] (root@LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by vienna9.his.com (8.11.6/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g45K6g516069; Sun, 5 May 2002 16:06:44 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: bs663385@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: X-Grok: +++ath X-WebTV-Stationery: Standard; BGColor=black; TextColor=black Reply-By: Wed, 1 Jan 1984 12:34:56 +0100 X-Message-Flag: Your copy of Outlook will expire in 3 days. Please contact Microsoft about purchasing a new license. Remember: software piracy is a felony! Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 20:44:13 +0200 To: "Jeremy C. Reed" , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: KMail or Evolution?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 10:39 AM -0700 2002/05/04, Jeremy C. Reed wrote: > What advantage does Macintosh have over FreeBSD in regards to this > W32.Klez? Well, IMO MacOS X makes a better desktop OS than FreeBSD. While I can run most Unix programs with no problems (including X programs under XDarwin), I've also got access to a whole host of MacOS X-only programs, as well as access to most MacOS 9 programs under the "Classic" environment. -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 6 5:48: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.liwing.de (mail.liwing.de [213.70.188.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73C0137B400 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 05:47:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 1007 invoked from network); 6 May 2002 12:57:21 -0000 Received: from stingray.liwing.de (HELO liwing.de) ([213.70.188.164]) (envelope-sender ) by mail.liwing.de (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 6 May 2002 12:57:20 -0000 Message-ID: <3CD679EC.1FD2FD18@liwing.de> Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 14:41:16 +0200 From: Jens Rehsack Organization: LiWing IT-Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: GB Clark Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Who should/could send mail to this list ... References: <3CD647C1.820E9321@liwing.de> <20020506070704.1877f031.gclarkii@vsservices.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org GB Clark wrote: > > On Mon, 06 May 2002 11:07:13 +0200 > Jens Rehsack wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > yesterday I see a discussion here where it had been recommented to > > close all lists except questions@freebsd.org for non-list-members. > > Because I do not this this is useful, because I need 18 month to > > learn enough w/o reading the list to can do many things without > > ever ask for mommy ..., and I do not think it's ok to give other > > people not the same change to learn at their own way ... > > > > I've seen last how php.net handles that. Anyone who sends a message > > first must authenticate it's request be responding an auth-request > > from the list-server. This is a similar auth-req. like I got it > > from majordomo@freebsd.org, but it's required without need to be > > subscribed ... > > > > I think this could be a good way to avoid spam. > > > > So long, > > Jens > Has todo with mailing lists... > Actually at this point php.net runs with a link to spews and I can not > get off the list! I had signed up 6 or 8 months ago (when I was interested in PHP) > but now all of my mail bounces. I have never spamed, but some moron had at my provider > about 4-5 months ago, and I get punished for it. Sorry to hear 'bout that, but it's not what I mean. > As far as spam on the lists, maybe it is just me, but I only see maybe 3 or 4 per 1000 messages. > I live with that. I mean, instead of do not allow non-subscribed disallow, an auth-request to check for non-bots is more useful. I'd like to have the list open! Jens > (Now if I can just get the Casino's to stop spamming me via SnailMail, that would be nice!) > > GB > > -- > GB Clark II | Roaming FreeBSD Admin > gclarkii@VSServices.COM | General Geek > CTHULU for President - Why choose the lesser of two evils? 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If you feel you have received this notice in error, please visit the Kane Marie Fine Arts Gallery Subscribe Me mailing list at our website: http://www.kanemarie.com to remove yourself automatically, or click the link below: http://www.kanemarie.com/cgi-bin/bulkmail/s.pl?r=1&l=1&e=freebsd-chat=:freebsd.org Thank you, Kane Marie Fine Arts Gallery --boundary42-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 6 7:56:32 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (storm.FreeBSD.org.uk [194.242.139.170]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98F9037B404 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 07:56:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (uucp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g46EuLVD091986 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 15:56:21 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark@grimreaper.grondar.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) with UUCP id g46EuLLI091985 for freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 6 May 2002 15:56:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from grimreaper.grondar.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grimreaper.grondar.org (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g46EqkoI038349 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 15:52:46 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark@grimreaper.grondar.org) Message-Id: <200205061452.g46EqkoI038349@grimreaper.grondar.org> To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: LEAVE THIS ALONE!! (WAS: Re: You've Been Removed!) References: <200205061452.KAA12469@matterhorn.pinn.net> In-Reply-To: <200205061452.KAA12469@matterhorn.pinn.net> ; from Kane Marie Fine Arts Gallery "Mon, 06 May 2002 10:52:26 EDT." Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 15:52:46 +0100 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a crap applet - it has the same url to add and delete, so it is a toggle. DO NOT CLICK ON IT - it will bomb the list! M > --boundary42 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > This message is to confirm the removal of your > email address: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org from the > Kane Marie Fine Arts Gallery > Subscribe Me mailing list. > > We're sorry to see you go! > > If you feel you have received this notice in error, > please visit the Kane Marie Fine Arts Gallery > Subscribe Me mailing list > at our website: > > http://www.kanemarie.com > to add yourself automatically, or click on the link > below to automatically re-subscribe yourself: > > http://www.kanemarie.com/cgi-bin/bulkmail/s.pl?a=1&l=1&e=freebsd-chat=:freebsd.org > > Thank you, > > Kane Marie Fine Arts Gallery > > --boundary42-- > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message -- o Mark Murray \_ O.\_ Warning: this .sig is umop ap!sdn #text/plain; name=cv.doc [Mark Murray CV Plain Text] cv.doc #application/octet-stream; name=cv.pdf [Mark Murray CV PDF] cv.pdf To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 6 8: 0:58 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [216.187.105.150]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F42D37B405 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 08:00:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0D783F43 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 07:03:08 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dan Langille" Organization: DVL Software Limited To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 11:00:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LEAVE THIS ALONE!! (WAS: Re: You've Been Removed!) Reply-To: dan@langille.org In-reply-to: <200205061452.g46EqkoI038349@grimreaper.grondar.org> References: <200205061452.KAA12469@matterhorn.pinn.net> ; from Kane Marie Fine Arts Gallery "Mon, 06 May 2002 10:52:26 EDT." X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Message-Id: <20010507110309.F0D783F43@bast.unixathome.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 6 May 2002 at 15:52, Mark Murray wrote: > This is a crap applet - it has the same url to add and delete, so it > is a toggle. > > DO NOT CLICK ON IT - it will bomb the list! Not to mention that any confirmation to a spammer merely validates the email address. -- Dan Langille The FreeBSD Diary - http://freebsddiary.org/ - practical examples To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 6 8: 9:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from kabru.pinn.net (kabru.pinn.net [198.252.201.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5BAA37B405 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 08:09:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from matterhorn.pinn.net (matterhorn.pinn.net [198.252.201.8]) by kabru.pinn.net (8.11.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id g46F7Gg03404 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 11:07:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from kanedev@localhost) by matterhorn.pinn.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.8.8) id LAA13389; Mon, 6 May 2002 11:13:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 11:13:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200205061513.LAA13389@matterhorn.pinn.net> To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org From: Kane Marie Fine Arts Gallery Reply-To: Kane Marie Fine Arts Gallery Subject: You've Been Removed! 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MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=boundary42 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --boundary42 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit This message is to confirm the removal of your email address: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org from the Kane Marie Fine Arts Gallery Subscribe Me mailing list. We're sorry to see you go! If you feel you have received this notice in error, please visit the Kane Marie Fine Arts Gallery Subscribe Me mailing list at our website: http://www.kanemarie.com to add yourself automatically, or click on the link below to automatically re-subscribe yourself: http://www.kanemarie.com/cgi-bin/bulkmail/s.pl?a=1&l=1&e=freebsd-chat=:freebsd.org Thank you, Kane Marie Fine Arts Gallery --boundary42-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 6 8:18:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from primus.vsservices.com (primus.vsservices.com [63.66.136.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D027F37B410 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 08:18:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from prime.vsservices.com (conr-adsl-dhcp-29-224.txucom.net [209.34.29.224]) by primus.vsservices.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g46C71U59637; Mon, 6 May 2002 07:07:01 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from gclarkii@vsservices.com) Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 07:07:04 -0500 From: GB Clark To: Jens Rehsack Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Who should/could send mail to this list ... Message-Id: <20020506070704.1877f031.gclarkii@vsservices.com> In-Reply-To: <3CD647C1.820E9321@liwing.de> References: <3CD647C1.820E9321@liwing.de> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.5) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 06 May 2002 11:07:13 +0200 Jens Rehsack wrote: > Hi, > > yesterday I see a discussion here where it had been recommented to > close all lists except questions@freebsd.org for non-list-members. > Because I do not this this is useful, because I need 18 month to > learn enough w/o reading the list to can do many things without > ever ask for mommy ..., and I do not think it's ok to give other > people not the same change to learn at their own way ... > > I've seen last how php.net handles that. Anyone who sends a message > first must authenticate it's request be responding an auth-request > from the list-server. This is a similar auth-req. like I got it > from majordomo@freebsd.org, but it's required without need to be > subscribed ... > > I think this could be a good way to avoid spam. > > So long, > Jens Actually at this point php.net runs with a link to spews and I can not get off the list! I had signed up 6 or 8 months ago (when I was interested in PHP) but now all of my mail bounces. I have never spamed, but some moron had at my provider about 4-5 months ago, and I get punished for it. As far as spam on the lists, maybe it is just me, but I only see maybe 3 or 4 per 1000 messages. I live with that. (Now if I can just get the Casino's to stop spamming me via SnailMail, that would be nice!) GB -- GB Clark II | Roaming FreeBSD Admin gclarkii@VSServices.COM | General Geek CTHULU for President - Why choose the lesser of two evils? 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If you feel you have received this notice in error, please visit the Kane Marie Fine Arts Gallery Subscribe Me mailing list at our website: http://www.kanemarie.com to remove yourself automatically, or click the link below: http://www.kanemarie.com/cgi-bin/bulkmail/s.pl?r=1&l=1&e=freebsd-chat=:freebsd.org Thank you, Kane Marie Fine Arts Gallery --boundary42-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 6 8:23:45 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from hades.gigguardian.com (vven-216.sjc.ca.bbnow.net [24.219.11.216]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF13837B408 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 08:23:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from europa (europa.gigguardian.com [192.168.1.2]) by hades.gigguardian.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g46FNPw54174; Mon, 6 May 2002 08:23:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vhm3@hades.gigguardian.com) From: "Chip McClure" To: , Subject: RE: LEAVE THIS ALONE!! (WAS: Re: You've Been Removed!) Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 08:23:24 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <20010507110309.F0D783F43@bast.unixathome.org> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 No doubt about that one. I hope that the postmaster @ freebsd.org would add in a line to /etc/mail/access that would disallow that blasted email address. I must have got 20 or 30 emails from that idiot so far. Or just make this a closed list. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Dan Langille Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 8:01 AM To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: LEAVE THIS ALONE!! (WAS: Re: You've Been Removed!) On 6 May 2002 at 15:52, Mark Murray wrote: > This is a crap applet - it has the same url to add and delete, so > it is a toggle. > > DO NOT CLICK ON IT - it will bomb the list! Not to mention that any confirmation to a spammer merely validates the email address. - -- Dan Langille The FreeBSD Diary - http://freebsddiary.org/ - practical examples To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPNaeVpuKtP8CSC69EQLgpQCgvl5y5tjIP6C+eqHFFQ8447sMTIcAoI1e 7c65+U1OJxQZmTsqR8eb8E23 =x/YH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 6 8:23:54 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from hades.gigguardian.com (vven-216.sjc.ca.bbnow.net [24.219.11.216]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9B7B37B407 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 08:23:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from europa (europa.gigguardian.com [192.168.1.2]) by hades.gigguardian.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g46FNPw54177; Mon, 6 May 2002 08:23:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vhm3@hades.gigguardian.com) From: "Chip McClure" To: "GB Clark" , "Jens Rehsack" Cc: Subject: RE: Who should/could send mail to this list ... Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 08:23:24 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <20020506070704.1877f031.gclarkii@vsservices.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I think 1 spam per thousand, is 1 too many. I'd close the lists. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of GB Clark Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 5:07 AM To: Jens Rehsack Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Who should/could send mail to this list ... On Mon, 06 May 2002 11:07:13 +0200 Jens Rehsack wrote: > Hi, > > yesterday I see a discussion here where it had been recommented to > close all lists except questions@freebsd.org for non-list-members. > Because I do not this this is useful, because I need 18 month to > learn enough w/o reading the list to can do many things without > ever ask for mommy ..., and I do not think it's ok to give other > people not the same change to learn at their own way ... > > I've seen last how php.net handles that. Anyone who sends a message > first must authenticate it's request be responding an auth-request > from the list-server. This is a similar auth-req. like I got it > from majordomo@freebsd.org, but it's required without need to be > subscribed ... > > I think this could be a good way to avoid spam. > > So long, > Jens Actually at this point php.net runs with a link to spews and I can not get off the list! I had signed up 6 or 8 months ago (when I was interested in PHP) but now all of my mail bounces. I have never spamed, but some moron had at my provider about 4-5 months ago, and I get punished for it. As far as spam on the lists, maybe it is just me, but I only see maybe 3 or 4 per 1000 messages. I live with that. (Now if I can just get the Casino's to stop spamming me via SnailMail, that would be nice!) GB - -- GB Clark II | Roaming FreeBSD Admin gclarkii@VSServices.COM | General Geek CTHULU for President - Why choose the lesser of two evils? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPNafWJuKtP8CSC69EQIE5wCeIB0GDMtH40dnW1hKNQBsnR3foeQAoJ07 6CqK9KFm8bVmDfhcTJiD8VkC =5lE9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 6 8:27:32 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C032D37B40B for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 08:27:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from corto.lpt.ens.fr (corto.lpt.ens.fr [129.199.122.2]) by nef.ens.fr (8.10.1/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id g46FRDH86417 ; Mon, 6 May 2002 17:27:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from (rsidd@localhost) by corto.lpt.ens.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id RAA15270 ; Mon, 6 May 2002 17:27:13 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 17:27:13 +0200 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Dan Langille Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: LEAVE THIS ALONE!! (WAS: Re: You've Been Removed!) Message-ID: <20020506172713.E89839@lpt.ens.fr> Mail-Followup-To: Dan Langille , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200205061452.KAA12469@matterhorn.pinn.net> <200205061452.g46EqkoI038349@grimreaper.grondar.org> <20010507110309.F0D783F43@bast.unixathome.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010507110309.F0D783F43@bast.unixathome.org>; from dan@langille.org on Mon, May 06, 2002 at 11:00:53AM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dan Langille said on May 6, 2002 at 11:00:53: > > This is a crap applet - it has the same url to add and delete, so it > > is a toggle. > > > > DO NOT CLICK ON IT - it will bomb the list! > > Not to mention that any confirmation to a spammer merely validates the > email address. Doesn't seem to be a spammer -- looks like a genuine business with an incompetent administrator. Rahul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 6 9:57:55 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E015737B403 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 09:57:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool0013.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.198.13] helo=mindspring.com) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 174lny-0005FO-00; Mon, 06 May 2002 09:57:42 -0700 Message-ID: <3CD6B5E8.3BC065EA@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 09:57:12 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chip McClure Cc: GB Clark , Jens Rehsack , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Who should/could send mail to this list ... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Chip McClure wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I think 1 spam per thousand, is 1 too many. I'd close the lists. Are you sure you aren't accessing this CGI yourself in order to try to sell your point? -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 6 10:14: 4 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from tesla.foo.is (tesla.reverse-bias.org [217.151.166.96]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA8D837B401 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 10:14:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from there (eniac.foo.is [192.168.1.25]) by tesla.foo.is (Postfix) with SMTP id 8C5CD2744 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 17:13:55 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Baldur Gislason To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: You've Been Added! Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 17:13:47 +0000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <200205061516.LAA13642@matterhorn.pinn.net> In-Reply-To: <200205061516.LAA13642@matterhorn.pinn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020506171355.8C5CD2744@tesla.foo.is> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Somebody PLEASE block all email from pinn.net to the freebsd.org mailserver Baldur Gislason To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 6 10:33:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from hades.gigguardian.com (vven-216.sjc.ca.bbnow.net [24.219.11.216]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05A8C37B400 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 10:33:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from europa (europa.gigguardian.com [192.168.1.2]) by hades.gigguardian.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g46HX4w34123; Mon, 6 May 2002 10:33:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vhm3@hades.gigguardian.com) From: "Chip McClure" To: "Terry Lambert" Cc: "GB Clark" , "Jens Rehsack" , Subject: RE: Who should/could send mail to this list ... Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 10:33:02 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <3CD6B5E8.3BC065EA@mindspring.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello Terry, Myself? Nope. Never, would I do something like that. I wouldn't deliberately do something like that to argue a point. Chip - -----Original Message----- From: Terry Lambert [mailto:tlambert2@mindspring.com] Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 9:57 AM To: Chip McClure Cc: GB Clark; Jens Rehsack; chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Who should/could send mail to this list ... Chip McClure wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I think 1 spam per thousand, is 1 too many. I'd close the lists. Are you sure you aren't accessing this CGI yourself in order to try to sell your point? - -- Terry -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPNa8X5uKtP8CSC69EQLCSACghxJ63bCLI07Z3Z4PZEv8YbACxugAn057 StOLIVtqSx1i+W8ff2J9mvf6 =ZV6R -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 6 11:22:18 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (storm.FreeBSD.org.uk [194.242.139.170]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 299C637B40B for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 11:21:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (uucp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g46ILOVD094098; Mon, 6 May 2002 19:21:24 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark@grimreaper.grondar.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) with UUCP id g46ILOSo094097; Mon, 6 May 2002 19:21:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from grimreaper.grondar.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grimreaper.grondar.org (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g46IHhoI042086; Mon, 6 May 2002 19:17:43 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark@grimreaper.grondar.org) Message-Id: <200205061817.g46IHhoI042086@grimreaper.grondar.org> To: "Chip McClure" Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: LEAVE THIS ALONE!! (WAS: Re: You've Been Removed!) References: In-Reply-To: ; from "Chip McClure" "Mon, 06 May 2002 08:23:24 PDT." Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 19:17:43 +0100 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > No doubt about that one. I hope that the postmaster @ freebsd.org > would add in a line to /etc/mail/access that would disallow that > blasted email address. I must have got 20 or 30 emails from that > idiot so far. I've done this. M -- o Mark Murray \_ O.\_ Warning: this .sig is umop ap!sdn #text/plain; name=cv.doc [Mark Murray CV Plain Text] cv.doc #application/octet-stream; name=cv.pdf [Mark Murray CV PDF] cv.pdf To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 6 11:22:36 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (storm.FreeBSD.org.uk [194.242.139.170]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84B3137B40A for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 11:21:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (uucp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g46ILOVD094093; Mon, 6 May 2002 19:21:24 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark@grimreaper.grondar.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) with UUCP id g46ILOm3094092; Mon, 6 May 2002 19:21:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from grimreaper.grondar.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grimreaper.grondar.org (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g46IILoI042104; Mon, 6 May 2002 19:18:21 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark@grimreaper.grondar.org) Message-Id: <200205061818.g46IILoI042104@grimreaper.grondar.org> To: Baldur Gislason Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: You've Been Added! References: <20020506171355.8C5CD2744@tesla.foo.is> In-Reply-To: <20020506171355.8C5CD2744@tesla.foo.is> ; from Baldur Gislason "Mon, 06 May 2002 17:13:47 -0000." Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 19:18:21 +0100 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Somebody PLEASE block all email from pinn.net to the freebsd.org mailserver Done M -- o Mark Murray \_ O.\_ Warning: this .sig is umop ap!sdn #text/plain; name=cv.doc [Mark Murray CV Plain Text] cv.doc #application/octet-stream; name=cv.pdf [Mark Murray CV PDF] cv.pdf To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 6 11:22:47 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F334B37B414 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 11:22:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool0535.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.200.25] helo=mindspring.com) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 174n7T-0000Pc-00; Mon, 06 May 2002 11:21:56 -0700 Message-ID: <3CD6C9A6.AA1FDB92@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 11:21:26 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chip McClure Cc: GB Clark , Jens Rehsack , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Who should/could send mail to this list ... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Chip McClure wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello Terry, > > Myself? Nope. Never, would I do something like that. I wouldn't > deliberately do something like that to argue a point. Someone is arguing with the CGI script... it might just be a SPAM'mer. I rather expect it's someone with the agenda of closing the lists, as you proposed... -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 6 11:25:58 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [216.187.105.150]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0449F37B403 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 11:25:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F2733F45; Mon, 7 May 2001 10:27:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dan Langille" Organization: DVL Software Limited To: Terry Lambert Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 14:25:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Who should/could send mail to this list ... Reply-To: dan@langille.org Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <3CD6C9A6.AA1FDB92@mindspring.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Message-Id: <20010507142739.0F2733F45@bast.unixathome.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 6 May 2002 at 11:21, Terry Lambert wrote: > Chip McClure wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Hello Terry, > > > > Myself? Nope. Never, would I do something like that. I wouldn't > > deliberately do something like that to argue a point. > > Someone is arguing with the CGI script... it might just be a > SPAM'mer. I rather expect it's someone with the agenda of > closing the lists, as you proposed... I would expect to be people attempting to remove themselves from said spammer's lists and not realizing what is actually happening. -- Dan Langille The FreeBSD Diary - http://freebsddiary.org/ - practical examples To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 6 12: 4:46 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from hades.gigguardian.com (vven-216.sjc.ca.bbnow.net [24.219.11.216]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3015D37B401 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 12:04:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (vhm3@localhost) by hades.gigguardian.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g46J4aS90216; Mon, 6 May 2002 12:04:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vhm3@hades.gigguardian.com) Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 12:04:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Chip McClure To: Terry Lambert Cc: GB Clark , Jens Rehsack , Subject: Re: Who should/could send mail to this list ... In-Reply-To: <3CD6C9A6.AA1FDB92@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <20020506115321.L47130-100000@hades.gigguardian.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I was actually beginning to think it was an auto-responder war. :( I do agree with you, on the point that it was someone trying to get a message across. Mail bombing the list - it's just the wrong way to do it. Chip - ----- Chip McClure Sr. Unix Administrator GigGuardian, Inc. http://www.gigguardian.com/ - ----- On Mon, 6 May 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: > Chip McClure wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Hello Terry, > > > > Myself? Nope. Never, would I do something like that. I wouldn't > > deliberately do something like that to argue a point. > > Someone is arguing with the CGI script... it might just be a > SPAM'mer. I rather expect it's someone with the agenda of > closing the lists, as you proposed... > > -- Terry > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iQA/AwUBPNbTxJuKtP8CSC69EQJMWACeLXEohN4jpWbw0wjqVuMQcxiXqyEAn1Ga UNMgbL8BRpklszrPXt+Ga1eE =Kzm0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 6 17:28:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pogo.caustic.org (caustic.org [64.163.147.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5A8337B407 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 17:28:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jan@localhost) by pogo.caustic.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g470SMS50371 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 17:28:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jan@caustic.org) Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 17:28:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "f.johan.beisser" To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: another fortune candidate.. Message-ID: <20020506172749.K40234-100000@pogo.caustic.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "I used to think that the brain was the most wonderful organ in my body. Then I realized who was telling me this." --Emo Phillips To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 6 20: 6:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from softweyr.com (softweyr.com [65.88.244.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA6F637B403; Mon, 6 May 2002 20:06:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nextgig-3.customer.nethere.net ([209.132.102.163] helo=softweyr.com) by softweyr.com with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 174vJ1-0000r9-00; Mon, 06 May 2002 21:06:24 -0600 Message-ID: <3CD7371B.7C760603@softweyr.com> Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 20:08:27 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ade Lovett Cc: Greg 'groggy' Lehey , chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: MIME messages are rejected by hub. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ade Lovett wrote: > > On 05/05/02 21:28, "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" wrote: > > On Sunday, 5 May 2002 at 21:22:05 -0500, Ade Lovett wrote: > >> I was thinking more along the lines of application/keg-o-coopers > >> meself. > > > > Ah, but you should never filter Coopers' > > [Cc's trimmed for sanity's sake :)] > > Indeed. Now if hub is guilty of this heinous crime, then it should be taken > outdoors and shot for the good of the planet. But we definitely *should* filter "matter-transport/sentient-life-form" mostly to make sure we aren't being slipped a viral attachment that is actually "matter-transport/non-sentient-life-form (Windows user)". See RFC 1437 for more information. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 7 1:14:31 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9630937B400 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 01:14:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from corto.lpt.ens.fr (corto.lpt.ens.fr [129.199.122.2]) by nef.ens.fr (8.10.1/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id g478EQH98987 ; Tue, 7 May 2002 10:14:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from (rsidd@localhost) by corto.lpt.ens.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id KAA61348 ; Tue, 7 May 2002 10:14:25 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 10:14:25 +0200 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: "f.johan.beisser" Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: another fortune candidate.. Message-ID: <20020507101425.B61020@lpt.ens.fr> Mail-Followup-To: "f.johan.beisser" , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20020506172749.K40234-100000@pogo.caustic.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020506172749.K40234-100000@pogo.caustic.org>; from jan@caustic.org on Mon, May 06, 2002 at 05:28:22PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org f.johan.beisser said on May 6, 2002 at 17:28:22: > > "I used to think that the brain was the most wonderful organ in my body. > Then I realized who was telling me this." > --Emo Phillips It's there already. % fortune -m "Emo Phillips" %% (fortunes) "I used to think that the brain was the most wonderful organ in my body. Then I realized who was telling me this." -- Emo Phillips % To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 7 1:19:52 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pogo.caustic.org (caustic.org [64.163.147.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E75AD37B401 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 01:19:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jan@localhost) by pogo.caustic.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g478IOJ51579; Tue, 7 May 2002 01:18:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jan@caustic.org) Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 01:18:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "f.johan.beisser" To: Rahul Siddharthan Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: another fortune candidate.. In-Reply-To: <20020507101425.B61020@lpt.ens.fr> Message-ID: <20020507011554.L40234-100000@pogo.caustic.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 7 May 2002, Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > It's there already. well.. damn. i thought it wasn't, and i checked on a freebsd 4.5 system. glad it's there, though.. -------/ f. johan beisser /--------------------------------------+ http://caustic.org/~jan jan@caustic.org "John Ashcroft is really just the reanimated corpse of J. Edgar Hoover." -- Tim Triche To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 7 2:36:18 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from thanatos.clara.net (thanatos.clara.net [195.8.69.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2809E37B403 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 02:36:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spoem.noc.clara.net ([195.8.70.199] helo=spoem) by thanatos.clara.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1751OD-000EJd-00 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Tue, 07 May 2002 10:36:10 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c1f5aa$4304ad70$c74608c3@spoem> From: "George Barnett" To: References: <20020507011554.L40234-100000@pogo.caustic.org> Subject: Re: another fortune candidate.. Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 09:50:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'd like to propose another fortune candidate.. 'I haven't lost my mind. It's backed up on tape somewhere.' -Unknown, 2001 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 7 3:16: 1 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mcqueen.wolfsburg.de (pns.wobline.de [212.68.68.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7B1D37B40B for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 03:15:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from k6-2-300.tisys.org (ppp-161.wobline.de [212.68.69.169]) by mcqueen.wolfsburg.de (8.11.3/8.11.3/sh-2002041503) with ESMTP id g47AFVw23569; Tue, 7 May 2002 12:15:32 +0200 Received: from daemon.tisys.org (palomino-1533.tisys.org [192.168.0.3]) by k6-2-300.tisys.org (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g47AHCo2090405; Tue, 7 May 2002 12:17:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from nils@daemon.tisys.org) Received: (from nils@localhost) by daemon.tisys.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g47AFp0M004270; Tue, 7 May 2002 12:15:51 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 12:15:51 +0200 From: Nils Holland To: George Barnett Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: another fortune candidate.. Message-ID: <20020507121551.B4203@daemon.tisys.org> References: <20020507011554.L40234-100000@pogo.caustic.org> <000001c1f5aa$4304ad70$c74608c3@spoem> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <000001c1f5aa$4304ad70$c74608c3@spoem>; from george@alink.co.za on Tue, May 07, 2002 at 09:50:44AM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD palomino-1533.tisys.org 4.6-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 4.6-PRERELEASE X-Machine-Uptime: 12:13PM up 3:21, 1 user, load averages: 0.04, 0.09, 0.05 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, May 07, 2002 at 09:50:44AM +0100, George Barnett stood up and spoke: > I'd like to propose another fortune candidate.. > > 'I haven't lost my mind. It's backed up on tape somewhere.' > -Unknown, 2001 I'm not sure, but if I'm not totally wrong, my fortune came up with this one (or something very similar) a few days ago... ;-) Greetings Nils -- Nils Holland Ti Systems - http://www.tisys.org Addicted to computing since 1987 High on FreeBSD since 1996 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 7 6:19:31 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from proxy.centtech.com (moat.centtech.com [206.196.95.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BA1C37B404 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 06:19:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sprint.centtech.com (sprint.centtech.com [10.177.173.31]) by proxy.centtech.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g47DJNK07396; Tue, 7 May 2002 08:19:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from centtech.com (proton [10.177.173.77]) by sprint.centtech.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA15601; Tue, 7 May 2002 08:19:22 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3CD7D45A.BE378FD4@centtech.com> Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 08:19:22 -0500 From: Eric Anderson Reply-To: anderson@centtech.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nils Holland Cc: George Barnett , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: another fortune candidate.. References: <20020507011554.L40234-100000@pogo.caustic.org> <000001c1f5aa$4304ad70$c74608c3@spoem> <20020507121551.B4203@daemon.tisys.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Who maintains the fortunes anyway? I'd like to add this one: "I wonder what the inside of my nose smells like." - Eric Anderson, 2001 Trying to contribute any way I can. :) Eric Nils Holland wrote: > > On Tue, May 07, 2002 at 09:50:44AM +0100, George Barnett stood up and spoke: > > I'd like to propose another fortune candidate.. > > > > 'I haven't lost my mind. It's backed up on tape somewhere.' > > -Unknown, 2001 > > I'm not sure, but if I'm not totally wrong, my fortune came up with this > one (or something very similar) a few days ago... ;-) > > Greetings > Nils > > -- > > Nils Holland > Ti Systems - http://www.tisys.org > Addicted to computing since 1987 > High on FreeBSD since 1996 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Systems Administrator Centaur Technology You have my continuous partial attention ------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 7 6:24:24 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF26637B409 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 06:24:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from corto.lpt.ens.fr (corto.lpt.ens.fr [129.199.122.2]) by nef.ens.fr (8.10.1/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id g47DOFH52093 ; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:24:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from (rsidd@localhost) by corto.lpt.ens.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id PAA77769 ; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:24:11 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 15:24:11 +0200 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Nils Holland Cc: George Barnett , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: another fortune candidate.. Message-ID: <20020507152410.A77602@lpt.ens.fr> Mail-Followup-To: Nils Holland , George Barnett , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20020507011554.L40234-100000@pogo.caustic.org> <000001c1f5aa$4304ad70$c74608c3@spoem> <20020507121551.B4203@daemon.tisys.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020507121551.B4203@daemon.tisys.org>; from nils@daemon.tisys.org on Tue, May 07, 2002 at 12:15:51PM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nils Holland said on May 7, 2002 at 12:15:51: > On Tue, May 07, 2002 at 09:50:44AM +0100, George Barnett stood up and spoke: > > I'd like to propose another fortune candidate.. > > > > 'I haven't lost my mind. It's backed up on tape somewhere.' > > -Unknown, 2001 > > I'm not sure, but if I'm not totally wrong, my fortune came up with this > one (or something very similar) a few days ago... ;-) Indeed: fortune -m "lost my mind" %% (fortunes) "I haven't lost my mind -- it's backed up on tape somewhere." %% "I haven't lost my mind; I know exactly where I left it." My favourite one-liner from fortune is "You are a shining wit - as the Rev Spooner would have said." - Rahul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 7 6:28:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from proxy.centtech.com (moat.centtech.com [206.196.95.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A378E37B407 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 06:28:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sprint.centtech.com (sprint.centtech.com [10.177.173.31]) by proxy.centtech.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g47DS2K07622; Tue, 7 May 2002 08:28:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from centtech.com (proton [10.177.173.77]) by sprint.centtech.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA15821; Tue, 7 May 2002 08:28:02 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3CD7D662.91EBE146@centtech.com> Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 08:28:02 -0500 From: Eric Anderson Reply-To: anderson@centtech.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rahul Siddharthan Cc: Nils Holland , George Barnett , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: another fortune candidate.. References: <20020507011554.L40234-100000@pogo.caustic.org> <000001c1f5aa$4304ad70$c74608c3@spoem> <20020507121551.B4203@daemon.tisys.org> <20020507152410.A77602@lpt.ens.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "If at first you don't succeed, use more explosive." Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > > Nils Holland said on May 7, 2002 at 12:15:51: > > On Tue, May 07, 2002 at 09:50:44AM +0100, George Barnett stood up and spoke: > > > I'd like to propose another fortune candidate.. > > > > > > 'I haven't lost my mind. It's backed up on tape somewhere.' > > > -Unknown, 2001 > > > > I'm not sure, but if I'm not totally wrong, my fortune came up with this > > one (or something very similar) a few days ago... ;-) > > Indeed: > fortune -m "lost my mind" > %% (fortunes) > "I haven't lost my mind -- it's backed up on tape somewhere." > %% > "I haven't lost my mind; I know exactly where I left it." > > My favourite one-liner from fortune is > "You are a shining wit - as the Rev Spooner would have said." > > - Rahul > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Systems Administrator Centaur Technology You have my continuous partial attention ------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 7 6:28:15 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from etek.chalmers.se (quarl0.etek.chalmers.se [129.16.32.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D13F637B40E for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 06:28:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from downy.etek.chalmers.se (_7-268@downy.etek.chalmers.se [129.16.32.207]) by etek.chalmers.se (8.10.0/8.8.8) with ESMTP id g47DS4J06622; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:28:04 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (b@localhost) by downy.etek.chalmers.se (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g47DS4l24091; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:28:04 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 15:28:03 +0200 (MET DST) From: Magnus B{ckstr|m To: Rahul Siddharthan Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: another fortune candidate.. In-Reply-To: <20020507152410.A77602@lpt.ens.fr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 7 May 2002, Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > > My favourite one-liner from fortune is > "You are a shining wit - as the Rev Spooner would have said." > Heh, Spooner is the guy with "Our Queer Old Dean" etc., right? Wonderful. :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 7 6:29: 8 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ucan.foad.org (ucan.foad.org [64.173.36.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7D8F37B405 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 06:29:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pde@localhost) by ucan.foad.org (foad/FOAD2.0) id g47DT2Z26260 for chat@freebsd.org; Tue, 7 May 2002 06:29:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 06:29:02 -0700 From: Pete Ehlke To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: another fortune candidate.. Message-ID: <20020507062902.A13371@ehlke.net> References: <20020507011554.L40234-100000@pogo.caustic.org> <000001c1f5aa$4304ad70$c74608c3@spoem> <20020507121551.B4203@daemon.tisys.org> <3CD7D45A.BE378FD4@centtech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <3CD7D45A.BE378FD4@centtech.com>; from anderson@centtech.com on Tue, May 07, 2002 at 08:19:22AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, May 07, 2002 at 08:19:22AM -0500, Eric Anderson wrote: > Who maintains the fortunes anyway? > > I'd like to add this one: > > "I wonder what the inside of my nose smells like." > - Eric Anderson, 2001 > In most scientific disciplines, it is considered gauche and arrogant to attempt to explicitly name discoveries and insights after oneself. One hopes that the same sense of modesty and decorum would apply to fortune files ;) -Pete -- "religious fanatics are not part of my desired user base." - djb@cr.yp.to To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 7 6:32: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from proxy.centtech.com (moat.centtech.com [206.196.95.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29ABE37B47B for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 06:31:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sprint.centtech.com (sprint.centtech.com [10.177.173.31]) by proxy.centtech.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g47DVfK07729; Tue, 7 May 2002 08:31:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from centtech.com (proton [10.177.173.77]) by sprint.centtech.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA15938; Tue, 7 May 2002 08:31:41 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3CD7D73D.8C1769FE@centtech.com> Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 08:31:41 -0500 From: Eric Anderson Reply-To: anderson@centtech.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pete Ehlke Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: another fortune candidate.. References: <20020507011554.L40234-100000@pogo.caustic.org> <000001c1f5aa$4304ad70$c74608c3@spoem> <20020507121551.B4203@daemon.tisys.org> <3CD7D45A.BE378FD4@centtech.com> <20020507062902.A13371@ehlke.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Eric Anderson is a popular name, might I remind you. Pete Ehlke wrote: > > On Tue, May 07, 2002 at 08:19:22AM -0500, Eric Anderson wrote: > > Who maintains the fortunes anyway? > > > > I'd like to add this one: > > > > "I wonder what the inside of my nose smells like." > > - Eric Anderson, 2001 > > > In most scientific disciplines, it is considered gauche and arrogant to > attempt to explicitly name discoveries and insights after oneself. One > hopes that the same sense of modesty and decorum would apply to fortune > files ;) > > -Pete > -- > "religious fanatics are not part of my desired user base." > - djb@cr.yp.to > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Systems Administrator Centaur Technology You have my continuous partial attention ------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 7 12: 5:24 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mired.org (dsl-64-192-6-133.telocity.com [64.192.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id ACEF037B403 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 12:05:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 32270 invoked by uid 100); 7 May 2002 19:05:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15576.9571.601152.786146@guru.mired.org> Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 14:05:07 -0500 To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: another fortune candidate.. In-Reply-To: <3CD7D73D.8C1769FE@centtech.com> References: <20020507011554.L40234-100000@pogo.caustic.org> <000001c1f5aa$4304ad70$c74608c3@spoem> <20020507121551.B4203@daemon.tisys.org> <3CD7D45A.BE378FD4@centtech.com> <20020507062902.A13371@ehlke.net> <3CD7D73D.8C1769FE@centtech.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ From: Mike Meyer X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.54 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org We were supposed to have flying cars in the 21st century. The internet is cool, but I'd rather have a flying car. - Matt Nix -- Mike Meyer http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 7 14:39:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.uninterruptible.net (ns1.uninterruptible.net [216.7.46.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97EE637B40C for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 14:39:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Spaz.Catonic.NET (tnt6-216-180-5-238.dialup.HiWAAY.net [216.180.5.238]) by mail.uninterruptible.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEB5B50059; Tue, 7 May 2002 21:38:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: by Spaz.Catonic.NET (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 4B0F03223; Tue, 7 May 2002 21:04:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Spaz.Catonic.NET (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F7C94C51; Tue, 7 May 2002 21:04:06 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 21:04:06 +0000 (GMT) From: Kris Kirby To: Pete Ehlke Cc: Subject: Re: another fortune candidate.. In-Reply-To: <20020507062902.A13371@ehlke.net> Message-ID: X-Tech-Support-Email: bofh@catonic.net Organization: Non Illegitemus Carborundum Inc. X-Disclaimer: My opinions are not those of my employer(s). X-Driving-The-Information-Superhighway-Joke: Asleep at the wheel. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 7 May 2002, Pete Ehlke wrote: > In most scientific disciplines, it is considered gauche and arrogant to > attempt to explicitly name discoveries and insights after oneself. One > hopes that the same sense of modesty and decorum would apply to fortune > files ;) Yup. I've thrown a few out there, but apparently I'm the only one who likes them. -- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR | TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. | IM: KrisBSD | HSV, AL. ------------------------------------------------------- "Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 7 18:20:42 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8183A37B400 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 18:20:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-a083.otenet.gr [212.205.215.83]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g481KZDi019331; Wed, 8 May 2002 04:20:36 +0300 (EEST) Received: from hades.hell.gr (hades [127.0.0.1]) by hades.hell.gr (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g481KXaK007479; Wed, 8 May 2002 04:20:33 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.12.3/8.12.2/Submit) id g481KP6Z007474; Wed, 8 May 2002 04:20:25 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 04:20:21 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Rahul Siddharthan Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: another fortune candidate.. Message-ID: <20020508012021.GI3095@hades.hell.gr> References: <20020507011554.L40234-100000@pogo.caustic.org> <000001c1f5aa$4304ad70$c74608c3@spoem> <20020507121551.B4203@daemon.tisys.org> <20020507152410.A77602@lpt.ens.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020507152410.A77602@lpt.ens.fr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2002-05-07 15:24, Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > My favourite one-liner from fortune is > "You are a shining wit - as the Rev Spooner would have said." I haven't updated my sources for a while, but I can't seem to be able to find my own favorite aphorism: If brute force fails, then you haven't used enough. A quick search in google didn't reveal the source of this either, so I'll go get some much needed sleep ;) - Giorgos To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 7 18:42: 7 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC38D37B403 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 18:42:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-a083.otenet.gr [212.205.215.83]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g481fmDi029332; Wed, 8 May 2002 04:41:58 +0300 (EEST) Received: from hades.hell.gr (hades [127.0.0.1]) by hades.hell.gr (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g481flaK007733; Wed, 8 May 2002 04:41:47 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.12.3/8.12.2/Submit) id g481faNP007731; Wed, 8 May 2002 04:41:36 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 04:41:36 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: GB Clark Cc: Jens Rehsack , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Who should/could send mail to this list ... Message-ID: <20020508014136.GB7586@hades.hell.gr> References: <3CD647C1.820E9321@liwing.de> <20020506070704.1877f031.gclarkii@vsservices.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020506070704.1877f031.gclarkii@vsservices.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2002-05-06 07:07, GB Clark wrote: > On Mon, 06 May 2002 11:07:13 +0200 > Jens Rehsack wrote: > > I've seen last how php.net handles that. Anyone who sends a message > > first must authenticate it's request be responding an auth-request > > from the list-server. This is a similar auth-req. like I got it > > from majordomo@freebsd.org, but it's required without need to be > > subscribed ... > > > > I think this could be a good way to avoid spam. > > As far as spam on the lists, maybe it is just me, but I only see > maybe 3 or 4 per 1000 messages. I live with that. One of the newsgroups I like browsing when I want to spend a few hours relaxing with non-computer related things, uses the scheme described by Jens. Any time a poster wants to send something to the group, and the group moderation bot finds out that this posting comes from a new mail address, the author is asked to respond with a "magic word". That word has to be in a reply to the original auth request. After all this is done, all posts are passed through. I am not advocating that we start using Jens' idea of a closed group. I am not in favour of closed groups either. I am only stating the fact that this scheme works for some other place. - Giorgos To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 8 4:15:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from fep4.cogeco.net (smtp.cogeco.net [216.221.81.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68C1137B400 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 04:15:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from earth.upton.net (d141-18-230.home.cgocable.net [24.141.18.230]) by fep4.cogeco.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4488F6BA4 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 07:15:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 07:15:20 -0400 From: Paul Murphy To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Message-Id: <20020508071520.53e24e6f.pnmurphy@cogeco.ca> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.4claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.5) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=..r9)QJtbJtBSB5" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --=..r9)QJtbJtBSB5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Am I missing something, or is it not possible to _search_ the mail archives at Geocrawler? -- Cogeco ergo sum --=..r9)QJtbJtBSB5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE82QjQumQc9BC5jBMRAsfQAKC9aXd3s8ABTvm+7hGH1v0fJZeDbwCghKRU so/gATP6Ucc3N7Ga65xSffo= =XL3j -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=..r9)QJtbJtBSB5-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 8 7:27: 4 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail19a.dulles19-verio.com (mail19a.dulles19-verio.com [161.58.134.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DC8CE37B404 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 07:26:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 198.104.176.109 (198.104.176.109) by mail19a.dulles19-verio.com (RS ver 1.0.63s) with SMTP id 082877486 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 10:25:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3CD9354E.41CBCEF6@pythonemproject.com> Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 07:25:18 -0700 From: rob X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "chat@freebsd.org" Subject: Finally a Linux with a ports collection Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop-Detect: 1 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I installed it last night. www.gentoo.org. Looks pretty neat. It was too late and I haven't had a chance to play with it. I have only one complaint so far (and it was probably my own ignorance), installing Vim brought along with it XFree86 4.2, and the Gnome libraries. Ouch! A very long compile, but I'll need them anyway. Rob. -- ----------------------------- The Numeric Python EM Project www.pythonemproject.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 8 7:44:39 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82E6237B400 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 07:44:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from corto.lpt.ens.fr (corto.lpt.ens.fr [129.199.122.2]) by nef.ens.fr (8.10.1/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id g48EiOH32548 ; Wed, 8 May 2002 16:44:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from (rsidd@localhost) by corto.lpt.ens.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id QAA48204 ; Wed, 8 May 2002 16:44:24 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 16:44:24 +0200 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: rob Cc: "chat@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Finally a Linux with a ports collection Message-ID: <20020508164424.H30997@lpt.ens.fr> References: <3CD9354E.41CBCEF6@pythonemproject.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3CD9354E.41CBCEF6@pythonemproject.com>; from rob@pythonemproject.com on Wed, May 08, 2002 at 07:25:18AM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org rob said on May 8, 2002 at 07:25:18: > I installed it last night. www.gentoo.org. Looks pretty neat. It was > too late and I haven't had a chance to play with it. I have only one > complaint so far (and it was probably my own ignorance), installing Vim > brought along with it XFree86 4.2, and the Gnome libraries. Ouch! A > very long compile, but I'll need them anyway. Rob. I've been using gentoo for 4-5 months off and on. I think it has plenty of potential. But if you look through the portage handbook, you'll see how to turn off autodependencies on gnome, kde, and other stuff you don't want (there's a "USE" variable in /etc/make.conf). Interesting ideas about gentoo: 1. Like FreeBSD, you can rebuild the entire base system with one command, but unlike FreeBSD the base system is itself a collection of ports (because, I guess, that's the way linux is...) 2. Installing a new version of a port doesn't clobber your old config files. Come to think of it, it doesn't in FreeBSD either in the examples I can think of, but I'm not sure what the mechanism is. 3. Gentoo-style ports don't require the equivalent of a pkg-plist file: they first install into some temporary directory, then generate the plist there, then merge into the final directory. This is basically the recommended way to generate pkg-plist automatically in FreeBSD, but Gentoo's system does it for you at the expense of using more disk space. I liked it because, if I wanted to install a new version of a program and the "ebuild" hadn't been updated, I just needed to edit the ebuild file to use the new version, et voila it worked. 4. To upgrade the port, you first "merge" the new version, then "unmerge" the old version. Unmerging looks at mtimes and refuses to remove files whose mtimes have changed, so only the useless files from the old version would be unmerged. 5. You can do the equivalent of "make fetch" which will fetch all the source files, not only for your required ebuild, but for its dependencies too. So you could do the downloading at work and the compiling at home, for example. 6. You can do a "pretend" merge of a gentoo port (emerge --pretend) which will show you all the ports which would be merged, without actually doing it. I'm pretty impressed with the thoroughness. Right now it still has rough edges (not surprising for a distro that's just reached 1.0) but it seems very well thought out on the whole; it's by far my linux of choice, though freebsd remains my OS of choice... Rahul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 8 8:48:55 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from servo.sjmarketing.com (adsl-64-173-218-10.dsl.renocs.nvbell.net [64.173.218.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 566B237B41A; Wed, 8 May 2002 08:48:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.95] (lan95 [192.168.1.95]) by servo.sjmarketing.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48FmTg76889; Wed, 8 May 2002 08:48:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bean@freebsd.org) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 08:48:26 -0700 Subject: Re: a vote for the New Alliance is a vote for our manifest destiny From: Bean To: Cc: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3CD8C92D.3D76AA51@softweyr.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org That looks like a swastika :) I design logos et al for a living, if you guys want, I can take a crack at it :) -Bean > From: Wes Peters > Organization: Softweyr LLC > Reply-To: chat@FreeBSD.org > Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 00:43:57 -0600 > To: pst@FreeBSD.org > Cc: committers@FreeBSD.org > Subject: Re: a vote for the New Alliance is a vote for our manifest destiny > > pst@FreeBSD.org wrote: >> >> With your help this will be a rebirth. It will be Springtime, for >> the New Alliance and FreeBSD, and Winter for Microsoft and Linux! >> Don't be stupid, be a smarty, come and join the NAFI party! >> >> Elect me as your leader, and our slate of New Alliance candidates to the >> core team. We promise to provide the strength and leadership we need >> to bring forth our jewel, FreeBSD, to its rightful position of greatness. > > We need a catchy logo. Perhaps 4 daemon horns arranged in a sort of a > curved cross? > > ------ | > \ | > \ | > | / > | / > ----+---- > / | > / | > | \ > | \ > | ------ > > ASCII just doesn't do it justice. > > The one inalienable right we all recognize in the NAFI party is the right > of every man (women, too, but mostly men) to make a damn fool of themselves > in public. > > Replies directed to chat, where they most certainly belong. > > -- > "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" > > Wes Peters Softweyr > LLC > wes@softweyr.com > http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 8 8:56: 7 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7261A37B403; Wed, 8 May 2002 08:56:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by flood.ping.uio.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id 1D055535E; Wed, 8 May 2002 17:56:00 +0200 (CEST) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: Bean Cc: , Subject: Re: a vote for the New Alliance is a vote for our manifest destiny References: From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 08 May 2002 17:55:59 +0200 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Lines: 14 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/21.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bean writes: > That looks like a swastika :) I design logos et al for a living, if > you guys want, I can take a crack at it :) sar.casm \'s{a:}r-.kaz-*m\ \s{a:}r-'kas-tik\ \-ti-k(*-)l{e-}\ n [F sarcasme, fr. LL sarcasmos, fr. Gk sarkasmos, fr. sarkazein to tear flesh, bite the lips in rage, sneer, fr. sark-, sarx flesh; akin to Av thwar*s to cut] 1: a cutting, hostile, or contemptuous remark : GIBE 2: the use of caustic or ironic language - sar.cas.tic aj DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 8 9:35:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (oe109.pav0.hotmail.com [64.4.33.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7BFF37B401 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 09:35:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 8 May 2002 09:35:45 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [63.230.77.88] Reply-To: "Seth Hieronymus" From: "Seth Hieronymus" To: Cc: , Subject: Re: Finally a Linux with a ports collection Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 10:35:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2002 16:35:45.0598 (UTC) FILETIME=[670185E0:01C1F6AE] Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I was using Gentoo Linux for a while, and liked it quite a bit. My only complaint was that my clock was loosing 10s of minutes a day, whereas in FreeBSD it is rock solid. Most people just suggested NTP, but this seemed like kind of a band-aid fix. Have you guys noticed anything similar? Seth Hieronymus To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 8 11:13:56 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.acecape.com (mail.acedsl.com [66.114.74.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D221837B403 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 11:13:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p65-147.acedsl.com (p65-147.acedsl.com [66.114.65.147]) by mail1.acecape.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g48IDp5n026286 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 14:13:52 -0400 Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 14:14:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Francisco Reyes X-X-Sender: fran@zoraida.natserv.net To: FreeBSD Chat List Subject: What is happening at core? Message-ID: <20020508141240.F10473-100000@zoraida.natserv.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just read about Mike Smith's resignation from Core. He mentions some feelings simmilar to what Jordan mentioned recently. Anyone care to give their opinion of what is happening? http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=260229+0+current/freebsd-hackers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 8 12:35:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.uninterruptible.net (ns1.uninterruptible.net [216.7.46.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45A1B37B401 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 12:35:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Spaz.Catonic.NET (tnt6-216-180-4-207.dialup.HiWAAY.net [216.180.4.207]) by mail.uninterruptible.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 026F650024; Wed, 8 May 2002 19:35:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: by Spaz.Catonic.NET (Postfix, from userid 1002) id DD7AB3223; Wed, 8 May 2002 19:35:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Spaz.Catonic.NET (Postfix) with ESMTP id D85824C51; Wed, 8 May 2002 19:35:08 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 19:35:08 +0000 (GMT) From: Kris Kirby To: Seth Hieronymus Cc: , , Subject: Re: Finally a Linux with a ports collection In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-Tech-Support-Email: bofh@catonic.net Organization: Non Illegitemus Carborundum Inc. X-Disclaimer: My opinions are not those of my employer(s). X-Driving-The-Information-Superhighway-Joke: Asleep at the wheel. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 8 May 2002, Seth Hieronymus wrote: > My only complaint was that my clock was loosing 10s of minutes a day, whereas > in FreeBSD it is rock solid. Most people just suggested NTP, but this seemed > like kind of a band-aid fix. Have you guys noticed anything similar? I would think this is an interrupt issue. The only machine I've ever had loose time like that was doing 5000 ints/s. -- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR | TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. | IM: KrisBSD | HSV, AL. ------------------------------------------------------- "Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 8 12:51:52 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ocis.net (mailserver.ocis.net [209.52.173.152]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1AE737B40D for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 12:51:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailserver.ocis.net ([127.0.0.1] helo=ocis.net) by mail.ocis.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 175XTL-0003bC-00; Wed, 08 May 2002 12:51:35 -0700 From: "Freddie Cash" To: Joerg Micheel Cc: chat@freebsd.org Reply-To: fcash@bigfoot.com Subject: Re: It's not fun anymore. (Mike resigns from core) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 12:51:35 -0700 Message-Id: <20020508125135.M93735@ocis.net> In-Reply-To: <20020509073441.A5281@cs.waikato.ac.nz> References: <4119.1020875350@axl.seasidesoftware.co.za> <20020509073441.A5281@cs.waikato.ac.nz> X-Mailer: Open WebMail 1.60 20020125 X-OriginatingIP: 207.23.161.23 (fcash) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 06:29:10PM +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > > On Wed, 08 May 2002 10:00:12 -0400, Robert Watson wrote: > > > Well, I think I speak for everyone in the project when I say that we're > > > sorry to hear that you are resigning from the core team, [...] > > Nope, you don't speak for me. I'm thrilled that Mike's leaving the core > > team. His heart's obviously not in it any more, so the fact that he has > > all the right skills for being useful on core doesn't mean anything any > > more. > It sounds like it is people like you who have been giving > Mike a hard time. It also appears that you haven't learned > a iota from this whole incident. Honestly, I would have > rather you had kept your mouth shut and listened, this > is not the time to spread your evil ink, but sit down > and ponder about what went wrong here. Uh, why the harshness?? If you read the above and think about what's written, there's nothing "bad" there. In fact, it appears to be a "good" message: if your heart is not in it, regardless of whether you have the skills, then it's time to move on, to free up your time for doing the fun things again. And, after reading Mike's letter again, that is just what he is doing. I also applaud his decision. By leaving core he is removing himself from a stressful environment and freeing his time to get back to doing the things he enjoys. Hopefully, in the near future, this will include coding for FreeBSD-related projects once again. Sure, it would be great if everyone could just stick around and get things straightened out. However, IMO, it's good to take a step back and re-evaluate things. Sometimes it's just not worth it anymore, and it's time to move on to funner, more pleasant/interesting endeavours. How's that a bad thing??? Eh, maybe I'm just too optimistic/idealistic to view any of this in a pessimistic way. :) Oh, as I'm just starting out in the world of FreeBSD coding involvement, about as far removed from core as one can get, so maybe my viewpoint is a little skewed. Take with as many grains of salt as required to make the above palatable. :) Freddie fcash@bigfoot.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 8 13:16:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [216.187.105.150]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70F4137B62B for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 13:06:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12CAE3F45; Wed, 9 May 2001 12:08:12 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dan Langille" Organization: DVL Software Limited To: Francisco Reyes Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 16:05:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: What is happening at core? Reply-To: dan@langille.org Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <20020508141240.F10473-100000@zoraida.natserv.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Message-Id: <20010509160812.12CAE3F45@bast.unixathome.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 8 May 2002 at 14:14, Francisco Reyes wrote: > Just read about Mike Smith's resignation from Core. > He mentions some feelings simmilar to what Jordan mentioned recently. > > Anyone care to give their opinion of what is happening? > http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=260229+0+current/freebsd-hacke > rs It's a natural cycle. People leave. People come in. No big deal. -- Dan Langille The FreeBSD Diary - http://freebsddiary.org/ - practical examples To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 8 13:49:18 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-63-207-60-43.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.207.60.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09D5537C101 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 13:46:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 57C7266DC9; Wed, 8 May 2002 13:46:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 13:46:57 -0700 From: Kris Kennaway To: Francisco Reyes Cc: FreeBSD Chat List Subject: Re: What is happening at core? Message-ID: <20020508134657.A88281@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20020508141240.F10473-100000@zoraida.natserv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="gKMricLos+KVdGMg" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020508141240.F10473-100000@zoraida.natserv.net>; from lists@natserv.com on Wed, May 08, 2002 at 02:14:34PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --gKMricLos+KVdGMg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 02:14:34PM -0400, Francisco Reyes wrote: > Just read about Mike Smith's resignation from Core. > He mentions some feelings simmilar to what Jordan mentioned recently. >=20 > Anyone care to give their opinion of what is happening? > http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=3D260229+0+current/freebsd-h= ackers Some people who have been devoting huge amounts of their life over several years to an annoying volunteer job have grown tired with it and decided to spend their time doing other things. Kris --gKMricLos+KVdGMg Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE82Y7AWry0BWjoQKURArZEAJ926pNnw9ZnZ91l1kU44vAwnddj1ACgxnjQ KnDWGjgveEzBnQXs3f3QqkA= =fuyg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --gKMricLos+KVdGMg-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 8 17:16:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail19b.rapidsite.net (mail19b.rapidsite.net [161.58.134.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 78EDB37B404 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 17:16:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.pythonemproject.com (198.104.176.109) by mail19b.rapidsite.net (RS ver 1.0.63s) with SMTP id 013146166 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 20:22:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3CD9BF75.12A0E431@pythonemproject.com> Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 17:14:45 -0700 From: rob X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "chat@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Finally a Linux with a ports collection References: <3CD9354E.41CBCEF6@pythonemproject.com> <20020508164424.H30997@lpt.ens.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop-Detect: 1 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > > rob said on May 8, 2002 at 07:25:18: > > I installed it last night. www.gentoo.org. Looks pretty neat. It was > > too late and I haven't had a chance to play with it. I have only one > > complaint so far (and it was probably my own ignorance), installing Vim > > brought along with it XFree86 4.2, and the Gnome libraries. Ouch! A > > very long compile, but I'll need them anyway. Rob. > > I've been using gentoo for 4-5 months off and on. I think it has > plenty of potential. But if you look through the portage handbook, > you'll see how to turn off autodependencies on gnome, kde, and other > stuff you don't want (there's a "USE" variable in /etc/make.conf). > > Interesting ideas about gentoo: > > 1. Like FreeBSD, you can rebuild the entire base system with one > command, but unlike FreeBSD the base system is itself a collection of > ports (because, I guess, that's the way linux is...) > > 2. Installing a new version of a port doesn't clobber your old config > files. Come to think of it, it doesn't in FreeBSD either in the > examples I can think of, but I'm not sure what the mechanism is. > > 3. Gentoo-style ports don't require the equivalent of a pkg-plist > file: they first install into some temporary directory, then generate > the plist there, then merge into the final directory. This is > basically the recommended way to generate pkg-plist automatically in > FreeBSD, but Gentoo's system does it for you at the expense of using > more disk space. I liked it because, if I wanted to install a new > version of a program and the "ebuild" hadn't been updated, I just > needed to edit the ebuild file to use the new version, et voila it > worked. > > 4. To upgrade the port, you first "merge" the new version, then > "unmerge" the old version. Unmerging looks at mtimes and refuses to > remove files whose mtimes have changed, so only the useless files from > the old version would be unmerged. > > 5. You can do the equivalent of "make fetch" which will fetch all the > source files, not only for your required ebuild, but for its > dependencies too. So you could do the downloading at work and the > compiling at home, for example. > > 6. You can do a "pretend" merge of a gentoo port (emerge --pretend) > which will show you all the ports which would be merged, without > actually doing it. > > I'm pretty impressed with the thoroughness. Right now it still has > rough edges (not surprising for a distro that's just reached 1.0) but > it seems very well thought out on the whole; it's by far my linux of > choice, though freebsd remains my OS of choice... > > Rahul Thanks Rahul for all the info. The acid test will be whether Gnome works right. On FreeBSD it is perfect as far as I can tell. On SuSE 7.3, every time I hit the "m" key in any application I got a menu. Plus their mailing list used to be fun and helpful, but now seems arrogant. I guess thats what happens when these Linux companies go public :) Rob. -- ----------------------------- The Numeric Python EM Project www.pythonemproject.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 8 17:56:58 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.acecape.com (mail.acedsl.com [66.114.74.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEA5637B40F for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 17:56:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p65-147.acedsl.com (p65-147.acedsl.com [66.114.65.147]) by mail1.acecape.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g490upm7011339; Wed, 8 May 2002 20:56:53 -0400 Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 20:57:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Francisco Reyes X-X-Sender: fran@zoraida.natserv.net To: Kris Kennaway Cc: FreeBSD Chat List Subject: Re: What is happening at core? In-Reply-To: <20020508134657.A88281@xor.obsecurity.org> Message-ID: <20020508205423.K11309-100000@zoraida.natserv.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 8 May 2002, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 02:14:34PM -0400, Francisco Reyes wrote: > > Just read about Mike Smith's resignation from Core. > > He mentions some feelings simmilar to what Jordan mentioned recently. > > > > Anyone care to give their opinion of what is happening? > > http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=260229+0+current/freebsd-hackers > > Some people who have been devoting huge amounts of their life over > several years to an annoying volunteer job have grown tired with it > and decided to spend their time doing other things. That is not exactly how I read it. :-( I read it more like, both Jordan and Mike thought core was doing more arguing than work. One thing I found interesting.. I did not find at the FreeBSD site an explanation of what exactly core is/does. I have an indea from years reading the lists, but I figure this would be somewhere obvious. Neither looking at the index or a search on FAQ/Docs found a definition/description. Did found the list of Core members and their by-laws. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 8 21:22:10 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pilchuck.reedmedia.net (pilchuck.reedmedia.net [209.166.74.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 606AF37B40D for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 21:22:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from reed by pilchuck.reedmedia.net with local-esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 175fR9-0005qJ-00; Wed, 08 May 2002 21:21:51 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 21:21:51 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jeremy C. Reed" To: Francisco Reyes Cc: FreeBSD Chat List Subject: Re: What is happening at core? In-Reply-To: <20020508205423.K11309-100000@zoraida.natserv.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 8 May 2002, Francisco Reyes wrote: > One thing I found interesting.. I did not find at the FreeBSD site an > explanation of what exactly core is/does. I have an indea from years > reading the lists, but I figure this would be somewhere obvious. > Neither looking at the index or a search on FAQ/Docs found a > definition/description. You might find these articles interesting: http://www.bsdtoday.com/2000/October/News306.html http://www.daemonnews.org/200010/dadvocate.html Jeremy C. Reed http://www.reedmedia.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 8 21:34:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E0B437B412 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 21:34:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 81C5381673; Thu, 9 May 2002 14:04:33 +0930 (CST) Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 14:04:33 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Francisco Reyes Cc: Kris Kennaway , FreeBSD Chat List Subject: Re: What is happening at core? Message-ID: <20020509140433.C74947@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20020508134657.A88281@xor.obsecurity.org> <20020508205423.K11309-100000@zoraida.natserv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020508205423.K11309-100000@zoraida.natserv.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wednesday, 8 May 2002 at 20:57:36 -0400, Francisco Reyes wrote: > On Wed, 8 May 2002, Kris Kennaway wrote: > >> On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 02:14:34PM -0400, Francisco Reyes wrote: >>> Just read about Mike Smith's resignation from Core. >>> He mentions some feelings simmilar to what Jordan mentioned recently. >>> >>> Anyone care to give their opinion of what is happening? >>> http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=260229+0+current/freebsd-hackers >> >> Some people who have been devoting huge amounts of their life over >> several years to an annoying volunteer job have grown tired with it >> and decided to spend their time doing other things. > > > That is not exactly how I read it. :-( > I read it more like, both Jordan and Mike thought core was doing more > arguing than work. I suspect a big part of the issue is expectations. When we formed the new core, we weren't really certain which way we wanted to go, and we spent a lot of time discussing what we should be. We made mistakes, of course: we were exploring uncharted territory. It certainly wasn't as much fun as some of us had hoped it to be. That doesn't mean that there's anything basically wrong in the concept, however. Those of us who remain are in general agreement that we're more or less on the right track. > One thing I found interesting.. I did not find at the FreeBSD site > an explanation of what exactly core is/does. That's one of the things we discussed. We're still not 100% sure. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 8 21:54:42 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.uninterruptible.net (ns1.uninterruptible.net [216.7.46.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECEE037B404 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 21:54:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Spaz.Catonic.NET (tnt6-216-180-4-192.dialup.HiWAAY.net [216.180.4.192]) by mail.uninterruptible.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCC5E50056; Thu, 9 May 2002 04:54:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: by Spaz.Catonic.NET (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 7C7313223; Thu, 9 May 2002 04:54:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Spaz.Catonic.NET (Postfix) with ESMTP id 779904C51; Thu, 9 May 2002 04:54:30 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 04:54:30 +0000 (GMT) From: Kris Kirby To: Dan Langille Cc: Francisco Reyes , Subject: Re: What is happening at core? In-Reply-To: <20010509160812.12CAE3F45@bast.unixathome.org> Message-ID: X-Tech-Support-Email: bofh@catonic.net Organization: Non Illegitemus Carborundum Inc. X-Disclaimer: My opinions are not those of my employer(s). X-Driving-The-Information-Superhighway-Joke: Asleep at the wheel. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 8 May 2002, Dan Langille wrote: > It's a natural cycle. People leave. People come in. No big deal. Nothing to see here. Move along now... these aren't the droids you're looking for. -- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR | TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. | IM: KrisBSD | HSV, AL. ------------------------------------------------------- "Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 8 23:14:22 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AB3537B400 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 23:14:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thinkpad770z.davidcamp.net ([216.103.90.137]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with SMTP id <0GVT00MNSYNU96@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for chat@freebsd.org; Wed, 08 May 2002 23:14:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 23:14:07 -0700 From: Dave Walton Subject: Re: another fortune candidate.. To: chat@freebsd.org Reply-To: dwalton@acm.org Message-id: <20020508231407.0b76c4fb.dwalton@acm.org> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.0 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386--freebsd4.5) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org With this sudden spurt of fortune submissions, I figure I might as well toss out a quote I recently came across and rather like. It seems quite relevent to a number of recent legal developments... There has grown up in the minds of certain groups in this country the notion that because a man or a corporation has made a profit out of the public for a number of years, the government and the courts are charged with the duty of guaranteeing such profit in the future, even in the face of changing circumstances and contrary public interest. This strange doctrine is not supported by statute nor common law. Neither individuals nor corporations have any right to come into court and ask that the clock of history be stopped, or turned back, for their private benefit. -- Robert A. Heinlein, "Life-Line", 1939 -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Walton dwalton@acm.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 9 0:23:22 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from studnet.sk (kripel.unitra.sk [193.87.12.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ADAC37B41B for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 00:23:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from studnet.sk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by studnet.sk (8.12.3/angel's version) with ESMTP id g497NBiW027504 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 09:23:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from rado@localhost) by studnet.sk (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g497NAEU027503 for FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 9 May 2002 09:23:10 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 09:23:10 +0200 From: Rado Keves To: FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: problem with quota Message-ID: <20020509092310.A27369@studnet.sk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="d6Gm4EdcadzBjdND" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --d6Gm4EdcadzBjdND Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I add quotas for new filesystem with handbook's help ..... reboot ... and my server going to be very bad and have not response after I start edquota -u username. 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http://www.lycoris.com/

http://www.lycoris.org/

Even though it appears like it's trying to imitate Windoze, I've
heard it's install is quite fast and easy.

Does anyone know how it compares to gentoo?

Joe
 
 
 
 

Rahul Siddharthan wrote:

rob said on May  8, 2002 at 07:25:18:
> I installed it last night.  www.gentoo.org.  Looks pretty neat.  It was
> too late and I haven't had a chance to play with it.  I have  only one
> complaint so far (and it was probably my own ignorance), installing Vim
> brought along with it XFree86 4.2, and the Gnome libraries.  Ouch!  A
> very long compile, but I'll need them anyway.  Rob.

I've been using gentoo for 4-5 months off and on.  I think it has
plenty of potential.  But if you look through the portage handbook,
you'll see how to turn off autodependencies on gnome, kde, and other
stuff you don't want (there's a "USE" variable in /etc/make.conf).

Interesting ideas about gentoo:

1. Like FreeBSD, you can rebuild the entire base system with one
command, but unlike FreeBSD the base system is itself a collection of
ports (because, I guess, that's the way linux is...)

2. Installing a new version of a port doesn't clobber your old config
files.  Come to think of it, it doesn't in FreeBSD either in the
examples I can think of, but I'm not sure what the mechanism is.

3. Gentoo-style ports don't require the equivalent of a pkg-plist
file: they first install into some temporary directory, then generate
the plist there, then merge into the final directory.  This is
basically the recommended way to generate pkg-plist automatically in
FreeBSD, but Gentoo's system does it for you at the expense of using
more disk space.  I liked it because, if I wanted to install a new
version of a program and the "ebuild" hadn't been updated, I just
needed to edit the ebuild file to use the new version, et voila it
worked.

4.  To upgrade the port, you first "merge" the new version, then
"unmerge" the old version.  Unmerging looks at mtimes and refuses to
remove files whose mtimes have changed, so only the useless files from
the old version would be unmerged.

5.  You can do the equivalent of "make fetch" which will fetch all the
source files, not only for your required ebuild, but for its
dependencies too.  So you could do the downloading at work and the
compiling at home, for example.

6. You can do a "pretend" merge of a gentoo port (emerge --pretend)
which will show you all the ports which would be merged, without
actually doing it.

I'm pretty impressed with the thoroughness.  Right now it still has
rough edges (not surprising for a distro that's just reached 1.0) but
it seems very well thought out on the whole; it's by far my linux of
choice, though freebsd remains my OS of choice...

Rahul

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  --------------EF34C397D6FC7278FE3E4A69-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 9 5:11:14 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCC0037B415 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 05:11:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from corto.lpt.ens.fr (corto.lpt.ens.fr [129.199.122.2]) by nef.ens.fr (8.10.1/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id g49CAkH68025 ; Thu, 9 May 2002 14:10:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from (rsidd@localhost) by corto.lpt.ens.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id OAA04263 ; Thu, 9 May 2002 14:10:46 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 14:10:46 +0200 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Joe Warner Cc: rob , "chat@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Finally a Linux with a ports collection Message-ID: <20020509141046.D98098@lpt.ens.fr> References: <3CD9354E.41CBCEF6@pythonemproject.com> <20020508164424.H30997@lpt.ens.fr> <3CDA613F.2A07BC29@attbi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3CDA613F.2A07BC29@attbi.com>; from rootman22@attbi.com on Thu, May 09, 2002 at 05:45:03AM -0600 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Joe Warner said on May 9, 2002 at 05:45:03: > What about Lycoris? > > http://www.lycoris.com/ I don't think it has a ports-like system. It seems to be RPM-based. Rahul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 9 10:24:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87C2037B409 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 10:24:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool0470.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.199.215] helo=mindspring.com) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 175reY-0004w5-00; Thu, 09 May 2002 10:24:30 -0700 Message-ID: <3CDAB0B0.EE9C1B9@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 10:24:00 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Warner Cc: Rahul Siddharthan , rob , "chat@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Finally a Linux with a ports collection References: <3CD9354E.41CBCEF6@pythonemproject.com> <20020508164424.H30997@lpt.ens.fr> <3CDA613F.2A07BC29@attbi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Hi, all you FreeBSD folks! What is your favorite distribution of ``Linux''?" "My favorite Linux distribution is ``FreeBSD''!" -- Terry Joe Warner wrote: > > Part 1.1 Type: Plain Text (text/plain) > Encoding: 7bit To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 9 13:26:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail19b.rapidsite.net (mail19b.rapidsite.net [161.58.134.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A6C3737B409 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 13:25:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mmm1902.dulles19-verio.com (161.58.134.144) by mail19b.rapidsite.net (RS ver 1.0.63s) with SMTP id 014353303; Thu, 9 May 2002 16:32:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (root@localhost) by localhost (8.9.3) id QAA47121; Thu, 9 May 2002 16:25:46 -0400 From: rob@pythonemproject.com Message-Id: <200205092025.QAA47121@mmm1902.dulles19-verio.com> X-Authentication-Warning: mmm1902.dulles19-verio.com: root set sender to rob@pythonemproject.com using -f Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 20:25:46 UT Reply-To: rob@pythonemproject.com To: tlambert2@mindspring.com, rootman22@attbi.com Cc: rsidd@online.fr, rob@pythonemproject.com, chat@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Re: Finally a Linux with a ports collection X-Mailer: AutoBahn Webmail X-Loop-Detect: 1 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hey, if you're having a bad day, or your Options are under water, don't take it out on me :) I like experiencing new things. I'd run current, but then I'm not insane. Rob. >----- Original Message ----- >From: Terry Lambert >To: Joe Warner >Sent: Thu, 09 May 2002 10:24:00 > >"Hi, all you FreeBSD folks! What is your favorite >distribution of ``Linux''?" > >"My favorite Linux distribution is ``FreeBSD''!" > >-- Terry > >Joe Warner wrote: >> >> Part 1.1 Type: Plain Text (text/plain) >> Encoding: 7bit To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 9 14:14: 1 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc54.attbi.com (rwcrmhc54.attbi.com [216.148.227.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02A2D37B400 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 14:13:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from attbi.com ([12.237.241.112]) by rwcrmhc54.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020509211349.GPLC25765.rwcrmhc54.attbi.com@attbi.com> for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 21:13:49 +0000 Message-ID: <3CDAE6A1.B1DFD273@attbi.com> Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 16:14:09 -0500 From: Joe Halpin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2-2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: another fortune candidate.. References: <20020508231407.0b76c4fb.dwalton@acm.org> <20020509081105.GJ582@klapaucius.zer0.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Saw this comment on an internal newsgroup at work... "Some of us can communicate effectively without having to resort to Flash animations." - Will Packard Joe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 9 15:13: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57BF837B497 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 15:12:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool0102.cvx40-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([216.244.42.102] helo=mindspring.com) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 175w8t-0002yk-00; Thu, 09 May 2002 15:12:07 -0700 Message-ID: <3CDAF415.82E4EC8@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 15:11:33 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rob@pythonemproject.com Cc: rootman22@attbi.com, rsidd@online.fr, chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Finally a Linux with a ports collection References: <200205092025.QAA47121@mmm1902.dulles19-verio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org rob@pythonemproject.com wrote: > > Hey, if you're having a bad day, or your Options are under water, don't take > it out on me :) I like experiencing new things. I'd run current, but then > I'm not insane. Rob. Just commenting on the Linux thread on freebsd-chat... -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 9 15:34: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A606C37B401 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 15:34:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool0102.cvx40-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([216.244.42.102] helo=mindspring.com) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 175wTz-000657-00; Thu, 09 May 2002 15:33:55 -0700 Message-ID: <3CDAF92F.CFBEB49D@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 15:33:19 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Halpin Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: another fortune candidate.. References: <20020508231407.0b76c4fb.dwalton@acm.org> <20020509081105.GJ582@klapaucius.zer0.org> <3CDAE6A1.B1DFD273@attbi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Joe Halpin wrote: > Saw this comment on an internal newsgroup at work... > > "Some of us can communicate effectively without having to resort to > Flash animations." > - Will Packard I think the most useful thing anyone has ever implemented in "Flash" is the "Bypass Flash intro" button... -- Terry Lambert -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 9 15:41:22 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EF8537B400 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 15:41:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from attbi.com ([12.254.218.35]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020509224118.JACI10136.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@attbi.com> for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 22:41:18 +0000 Message-ID: <3CDAFB20.FEFA3416@attbi.com> Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 16:41:36 -0600 From: Joe Warner Organization: nunyabiz X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: another fortune candidate.. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------1ED3F72ED4AD734C07B83F62" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --------------1ED3F72ED4AD734C07B83F62 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How about this one: You know you're in trouble when your wife asks you; "Would you like me any better if I had a square face?" -Joe Warner Substitute "wife" with girlfriend, significant other..etc. Joe -- "My pants just went on a wild rampage through a Long Island Bowling Alley!!" -- Zippy the Pinhead --------------1ED3F72ED4AD734C07B83F62 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How about this one:

You know you're in trouble when your wife asks you;
"Would you like me any better if I had a square face?"

                               -Joe Warner

Substitute "wife" with girlfriend, significant other..etc.

Joe
  

-- 
"My pants just went on a wild rampage through a Long Island Bowling
Alley!!"
                -- Zippy the Pinhead
  --------------1ED3F72ED4AD734C07B83F62-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 9 15:48:51 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04F0F37B407 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 15:48:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from attbi.com ([12.254.218.35]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020509224843.JJOE10136.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@attbi.com>; Thu, 9 May 2002 22:48:43 +0000 Message-ID: <3CDAFCDD.9CBA774C@attbi.com> Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 16:49:01 -0600 From: Joe Warner Organization: nunyabiz X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rahul Siddharthan Cc: rob , "chat@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Finally a Linux with a ports collection References: <3CD9354E.41CBCEF6@pythonemproject.com> <20020508164424.H30997@lpt.ens.fr> <3CDA613F.2A07BC29@attbi.com> <20020509141046.D98098@lpt.ens.fr> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------686F8A69E340ABF1F48FF653" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --------------686F8A69E340ABF1F48FF653 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > Joe Warner said on May 9, 2002 at 05:45:03: > > What about Lycoris? > > > > http://www.lycoris.com/ > > I don't think it has a ports-like system. It seems to be RPM-based. > > Rahul Yes, I noticed that. Oh well, I've read some good reviews about it, nonetheless. After all, when there's 188+ distributions of Linux out there, you should be able to find one or two that are decent. As for me (this is for Terry) I'll stick with FreeBSD. ;-) Joe -- Now I lay me down to sleep I pray the double lock will keep; May no brick through the window break, And, no one rob me till I awake. --------------686F8A69E340ABF1F48FF653 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rahul Siddharthan wrote:
Joe Warner said on May  9, 2002 at 05:45:03:
> What about Lycoris?
>
> http://www.lycoris.com/

I don't think it has a ports-like system.  It seems to be RPM-based.

Rahul


Yes, I noticed that.  Oh well, I've read some good reviews about it, nonetheless.

After all, when there's 188+ distributions of Linux out there, you should be
able to find one or two that are decent.  As for me (this is for Terry) I'll stick with
FreeBSD.  ;-)

Joe
 
  

-- 
Now I lay me down to sleep
I pray the double lock will keep;
May no brick through the window break,
And, no one rob me till I awake.
  --------------686F8A69E340ABF1F48FF653-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 9 15:50: 4 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.acecape.com (mail.acedsl.com [66.114.74.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A943B37B412 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 15:49:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p65-147.acedsl.com (p65-147.acedsl.com [66.114.65.147]) by mail1.acecape.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g49MnoMi011854; Thu, 9 May 2002 18:49:51 -0400 Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 18:50:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Francisco Reyes X-X-Sender: fran@zoraida.natserv.net To: rob@pythonemproject.com Cc: tlambert2@mindspring.com, , , Subject: RE: Re: Finally a Linux with a ports collection In-Reply-To: <200205092025.QAA47121@mmm1902.dulles19-verio.com> Message-ID: <20020509184720.H1702-100000@zoraida.natserv.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 9 May 2002 rob@pythonemproject.com wrote: > Hey, if you're having a bad day, or your Options are under water, don't take it out on me :) >I like experiencing new things. I'd run current, > but then I'm not insane. Rob. There are plenty of places to discuss Linux. Even though Chat is supposed to be about "anything", discussions about how to use, or why to use, or which is better.. etc... of/about/for Linux is probably not covered under the "anything" clause. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 9 15:52:27 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-63-207-60-43.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.207.60.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5634637B400 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 15:52:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A894C66DC9; Thu, 9 May 2002 15:52:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 15:52:20 -0700 From: Kris Kennaway To: Francisco Reyes Cc: Kris Kennaway , FreeBSD Chat List Subject: Re: What is happening at core? Message-ID: <20020509155220.A24323@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20020508134657.A88281@xor.obsecurity.org> <20020508205423.K11309-100000@zoraida.natserv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="/04w6evG8XlLl3ft" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020508205423.K11309-100000@zoraida.natserv.net>; from lists@natserv.com on Wed, May 08, 2002 at 08:57:36PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --/04w6evG8XlLl3ft Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 08:57:36PM -0400, Francisco Reyes wrote: > On Wed, 8 May 2002, Kris Kennaway wrote: >=20 > > On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 02:14:34PM -0400, Francisco Reyes wrote: > > > Just read about Mike Smith's resignation from Core. > > > He mentions some feelings simmilar to what Jordan mentioned recently. > > > > > > Anyone care to give their opinion of what is happening? > > > http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=3D260229+0+current/freeb= sd-hackers > > > > Some people who have been devoting huge amounts of their life over > > several years to an annoying volunteer job have grown tired with it > > and decided to spend their time doing other things. >=20 > That is not exactly how I read it. :-( You asked for my opinion; there it was. Kris --/04w6evG8XlLl3ft Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE82v2kWry0BWjoQKURAoZgAKDSRv8JmVYR1DhAHLhjNOtKr+asgACg5JK6 EWgTtJ1pdydzSuGGmdbisUo= =7SQT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --/04w6evG8XlLl3ft-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 9 15:59:49 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pilchuck.reedmedia.net (pilchuck.reedmedia.net [209.166.74.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E19F37B404 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 15:59:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from reed by pilchuck.reedmedia.net with local-esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 175wsy-0006az-00; Thu, 09 May 2002 15:59:44 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 15:59:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jeremy C. Reed" To: "chat@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Finally a Linux with a ports collection In-Reply-To: <3CDAFCDD.9CBA774C@attbi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > What about Lycoris? I met the Lycoris's Joe Cheek at Linuxfest 2002 in Bellingham, Wash. He showed me a few things on his Lycoris system. - the boxed set is in a DVD case; - The menus are task oriented, such as "browse the web" instead of name of application; - You can have some file manager for audio files -- you can choose to rip them to ogg vorbis or mpeg; I think you can hover over a sound file and it wil play a small part. - It included Kword which is a frame-based word processor. I was especially glad to see you can place text in one frame and then create another frame and the text will wrap into it. (Exactly what I was looking for for a long time!) - It has some icon to access windows files: it is a file manager, plus runs programs using wine (automatically); he ran a pinball program (I think comes with Windows). It looked nice and easy to use. I guess you could customize your KDE and wine to behave mostly the same. Jeremy C. Reed http://bsd.reedmedia.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 9 16: 3:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [216.187.105.150]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99A4B37B406 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 16:03:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 966373F45 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 15:06:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dan Langille" Organization: DVL Software Limited To: FreeBSD Chat List Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 19:03:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: What is happening at core? Reply-To: dan@langille.org In-reply-to: <20020509155220.A24323@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20020508205423.K11309-100000@zoraida.natserv.net>; from lists@natserv.com on Wed, May 08, 2002 at 08:57:36PM -0400 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Message-Id: <20010510190606.966373F45@bast.unixathome.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 9 May 2002 at 15:52, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 08:57:36PM -0400, Francisco Reyes wrote: > > On Wed, 8 May 2002, Kris Kennaway wrote: > > > > > On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 02:14:34PM -0400, Francisco Reyes wrote: > > > > Just read about Mike Smith's resignation from Core. > > > > He mentions some feelings simmilar to what Jordan mentioned recently. > > > > > > > > Anyone care to give their opinion of what is happening? > > > > http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=260229+0+current/freebsd > > > > -hackers > > > > > > Some people who have been devoting huge amounts of their life over > > > several years to an annoying volunteer job have grown tired with it and > > > decided to spend their time doing other things. > > > > That is not exactly how I read it. :-( > > You asked for my opinion; there it was. People often want to read more into events than is actually present. It's no big deal. Core will continue. FreeBSD with continue. What I think is much more important is: Will the Habs win tonight? Will the Sens win Friday night? But there is nothing others can do is if people want to overly concern themselves overly with events which have occurred in the past and will occur in the future. Organisations change. People leave. The entity continues. -- Dan Langille The FreeBSD Diary - http://freebsddiary.org/ - practical examples To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 9 16:15: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.acns.ab.ca (mail.acns.ab.ca [142.179.151.95]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4132B37B404 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 16:15:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from colnta.acns.ab.ca (colnta.acns.ab.ca [192.168.1.2]) by mail.acns.ab.ca (8.12.3/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g49NEuM4023442; Thu, 9 May 2002 17:14:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from davidc@colnta.acns.ab.ca) Received: from colnta.acns.ab.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by colnta.acns.ab.ca (8.12.2/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49NEuaA046818; Thu, 9 May 2002 17:14:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from davidc@colnta.acns.ab.ca) Received: (from davidc@localhost) by colnta.acns.ab.ca (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id g49NEuBQ046817; Thu, 9 May 2002 17:14:56 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 17:14:56 -0600 From: Chad David To: Dan Langille Cc: FreeBSD Chat List Subject: Re: What is happening at core? Message-ID: <20020509171455.A46786@colnta.acns.ab.ca> Mail-Followup-To: Dan Langille , FreeBSD Chat List References: <20020508205423.K11309-100000@zoraida.natserv.net>; <20020509155220.A24323@xor.obsecurity.org> <20010510190606.966373F45@bast.unixathome.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20010510190606.966373F45@bast.unixathome.org>; from dan@langille.org on Thu, May 09, 2002 at 07:03:22PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 07:03:22PM -0400, Dan Langille wrote: > > What I think is much more important is: Will the Habs win tonight? Will > the Sens win Friday night? > Yes and No. -- Chad David davidc@acns.ab.ca www.FreeBSD.org davidc@freebsd.org ACNS Inc. Calgary, Alberta Canada Fourthly, The constant breeders, beside the gain of eight shillings sterling per annum by the sale of their children, will be rid of the charge of maintaining them after the first year. - Johnathan Swift To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 9 16:44:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.unitec.edu (mail.unitec.edu [216.72.84.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9454A37B406 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 16:44:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from museo ([63.100.88.39]) by mail.unitec.edu (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GVV72F00.FVA for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 16:13:27 -0600 Message-ID: <001c01c1f79f$4d2c63a0$bb09150a@sulanet.net> From: "GERARDO ENRIQUE PAREDES MANCIA" To: Subject: testing Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 16:19:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C1F775.57CD6F40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C1F775.57CD6F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable just testing, don't mind it ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C1F775.57CD6F40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
just testing, don't mind=20 it
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C1F775.57CD6F40-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 9 16:49: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.zer0.org (klapaucius.zer0.org [204.152.186.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C78E37B406 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 16:49:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail1.zer0.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B1226239A09; Thu, 9 May 2002 16:49:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 16:49:02 -0700 From: Gregory Sutter To: Francisco Reyes Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Re: Finally a Linux with a ports collection Message-ID: <20020509234902.GL582@klapaucius.zer0.org> References: <200205092025.QAA47121@mmm1902.dulles19-verio.com> <20020509184720.H1702-100000@zoraida.natserv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="dp9QYJgVRVEW2bsm" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020509184720.H1702-100000@zoraida.natserv.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Organization: Zer0 X-Purpose: For great justice! Mail-Copies-To: poster X-Message-Flag: Ditch this virus-ridden Outlook crap and get a real mailer! Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --dp9QYJgVRVEW2bsm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2002-05-09 18:50 -0400, Francisco Reyes wrote: >=20 > There are plenty of places to discuss Linux. > Even though Chat is supposed to be about "anything", discussions about how > to use, or why to use, or which is better.. etc... of/about/for Linux is > probably not covered under the "anything" clause. Sure they are; don't be silly. chat@ is just a place for people interested in FreeBSD to talk about anything at all. I am going surfing in 45 minutes. How's that for relevant? :) Greg ps: Linnex! --=20 Gregory S. Sutter Was Jimi's modem a Purple Hayes? mailto:gsutter@zer0.org=20 http://www.zer0.org/~gsutter/=20 hkp://wwwkeys.pgp.net/0x845DFEDD --dp9QYJgVRVEW2bsm Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: '' iD8DBQE82wruIBUx1YRd/t0RAgdYAJsGc7BZ0tVGlPgI4UyQbRutfWoFxgCfY1id Awj8BR778S8R22XwgXaXYU8= =71lB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --dp9QYJgVRVEW2bsm-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 9 16:50:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from firehouse.net (dsl-64-130-18-61.telocity.com [64.130.18.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8325837B409 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 16:50:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 15530 invoked by uid 85); 9 May 2002 23:49:54 -0000 Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 19:49:50 -0400 To: Chad David Cc: Dan Langille , FreeBSD Chat List Subject: Re: What is happening at core? Message-ID: <20020509194950.B14709@shazam.wetworks.org> References: <20020508205423.K11309-100000@zoraida.natserv.net>; <20020509155220.A24323@xor.obsecurity.org> <20010510190606.966373F45@bast.unixathome.org> <20020509171455.A46786@colnta.acns.ab.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Bn2rw/3z4jIqBvZU" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020509171455.A46786@colnta.acns.ab.ca>; from davidc@acns.ab.ca on Thu, May 09, 2002 at 05:14:56PM -0600 From: "Alan B. Clegg" X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.52 (Python 2.2 on FreeBSD/i386) X-TMDA-Fingerprint: zbrGuUp5b6o0sVz1pXwK6yL4AN4 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --Bn2rw/3z4jIqBvZU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Unless the network is lying to me again, Chad David said:=20 > On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 07:03:22PM -0400, Dan Langille wrote: > >=20 > > What I think is much more important is: Will the Habs win tonight? Wil= l=20 > > the Sens win Friday night? >=20 > Yes and No. Go Hurricanes! AlanC --Bn2rw/3z4jIqBvZU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE82wseyJP8xSfQVdsRAhAmAJ93qY5kfmvtgKcw/vJ36NpSurW25gCfU10a oMaHWTUitbsVqdBmiW5Y52Q= =tVIP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Bn2rw/3z4jIqBvZU-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 9 16:50:54 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from prox.centtech.com (moat2.centtech.com [206.196.95.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC9F137B404 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 16:50:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pen.centtech.com (pen.centtech.com [10.177.178.33]) by prox.centtech.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g49JoC718923 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 14:50:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from centtech.com (proton.centtech.com [10.177.173.77]) by pen.centtech.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g49JoBP09611 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 14:50:12 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3CDAD2F3.875C27B3@centtech.com> Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 14:50:11 -0500 From: Eric Anderson Reply-To: anderson@centtech.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: freebsd bootmgr and windows xp (ick) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ok, I know this is kind of a -questions thing, but I find better answers here. :) I had windows xp on my computer, with three partitions (don't ask how it got that way, long story). partition 1 ( the "c:" drive), was set as extended partition, 2 as just a fat32 partition, and 3 was empty. I deleted 2, and booted my freebsd 4.5 cd, installed it on the remaining space (3.5 gb - total from partition 2 that I deleted and "3" that was empty). Install goes well (of course), I tell it "use Boot Manager", reboot, and if gives me the F1, F2 prompt thing, except, there's only "F2 FreeBSD", and nothing else. Now, how the heck to I get back into windows xp? Anyone has some url's that explain this, or can tell me how to get back in? Eric -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Systems Administrator Centaur Technology You have my continuous partial attention ------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 9 16:53:23 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [216.187.105.150]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62EAE37B405 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 16:53:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BDE53F45; Thu, 10 May 2001 15:55:53 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dan Langille" Organization: DVL Software Limited To: Chad David Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 19:53:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: What is happening at core? Reply-To: dan@langille.org Cc: FreeBSD Chat List In-reply-to: <20020509171455.A46786@colnta.acns.ab.ca> References: <20010510190606.966373F45@bast.unixathome.org>; from dan@langille.org on Thu, May 09, 2002 at 07:03:22PM -0400 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Message-Id: <20010510195553.0BDE53F45@bast.unixathome.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 9 May 2002 at 17:14, Chad David wrote: > On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 07:03:22PM -0400, Dan Langille wrote: > > > > What I think is much more important is: Will the Habs win tonight? Will > > the Sens win Friday night? > > > > Yes and No. Bugger. And It's 2-zip already. -- Dan Langille The FreeBSD Diary - http://freebsddiary.org/ - practical examples To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 9 16:56:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ucan.foad.org (ucan.foad.org [64.173.36.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73EF737B407 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 16:56:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pde@localhost) by ucan.foad.org (foad/FOAD2.0) id g49Nu9320613 for chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 9 May 2002 16:56:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 16:56:09 -0700 From: Pete Ehlke To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Re: Finally a Linux with a ports collection Message-ID: <20020509165609.A29932@ehlke.net> References: <200205092025.QAA47121@mmm1902.dulles19-verio.com> <20020509184720.H1702-100000@zoraida.natserv.net> <20020509234902.GL582@klapaucius.zer0.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020509234902.GL582@klapaucius.zer0.org>; from gsutter@zer0.org on Thu, May 09, 2002 at 04:49:02PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 04:49:02PM -0700, Gregory Sutter wrote: > > I am going surfing in 45 minutes. How's that for relevant? :) > It's raining in Fort Worth. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 9 17: 0:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [216.187.105.150]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A3C337B404 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 17:00:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 377433F45; Thu, 10 May 2001 16:03:12 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dan Langille" Organization: DVL Software Limited To: "Alan B. Clegg" Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 20:00:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: What is happening at core? Reply-To: dan@langille.org Cc: FreeBSD Chat List In-reply-to: <20020509194950.B14709@shazam.wetworks.org> References: <20020509171455.A46786@colnta.acns.ab.ca>; from davidc@acns.ab.ca on Thu, May 09, 2002 at 05:14:56PM -0600 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Message-Id: <20010510200312.377433F45@bast.unixathome.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 9 May 2002 at 19:49, Alan B. Clegg wrote: > Unless the network is lying to me again, Chad David said: > > On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 07:03:22PM -0400, Dan Langille wrote: > > > > > > What I think is much more important is: Will the Habs win tonight? > > > Will the Sens win Friday night? > > > > Yes and No. > > Go Hurricanes! Actually, I'm quite a fan of The Hurricanes. They are my home team after all. I've been to quite a few games. It's a great multi-purpose stadium. It's wonderful for rugby and not so bad for cricket. In fact, the provincial team won NPC last year. I was very disappointed to miss that game. -- Dan Langille The FreeBSD Diary - http://freebsddiary.org/ - practical examples To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 9 17: 3:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pilchuck.reedmedia.net (pilchuck.reedmedia.net [209.166.74.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2622D37B433 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 17:03:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from reed by pilchuck.reedmedia.net with local-esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 175xsb-0006e0-00; Thu, 09 May 2002 17:03:25 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 17:03:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jeremy C. Reed" To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Re: Finally a Linux with a ports collection In-Reply-To: <20020509165609.A29932@ehlke.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 9 May 2002, Pete Ehlke wrote: > On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 04:49:02PM -0700, Gregory Sutter wrote: > > > > I am going surfing in 45 minutes. How's that for relevant? :) > > > It's raining in Fort Worth. It snowed here this week in the northwest (around Washington state, USA). We had about an 1/8 inch in Marysville, but I read that some towns in eastern Washington had 18 inches! I read it is the coldest May ever around here. The temperatures have been from cold 30 F to warm mid-60's. Jeremy C. Reed http://www.reedmedia.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 9 17: 6: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from firehouse.net (dsl-64-130-18-61.telocity.com [64.130.18.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1DB5337B403 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 17:05:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 16838 invoked by uid 85); 10 May 2002 00:05:22 -0000 Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 20:05:20 -0400 To: Dan Langille Cc: FreeBSD Chat List Subject: Re: What is happening at core? Message-ID: <20020509200520.B16060@shazam.wetworks.org> References: <20020509171455.A46786@colnta.acns.ab.ca>; <20020509194950.B14709@shazam.wetworks.org> <20010510200312.377433F45@bast.unixathome.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="zx4FCpZtqtKETZ7O" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20010510200312.377433F45@bast.unixathome.org>; from dan@langille.org on Thu, May 09, 2002 at 08:00:27PM -0400 From: "Alan B. Clegg" X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.52 (Python 2.2 on FreeBSD/i386) X-TMDA-Fingerprint: gnOwuW8VefrIQQpLk5puex/EXVg X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --zx4FCpZtqtKETZ7O Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Unless the network is lying to me again, Dan Langille said:=20 > On 9 May 2002 at 19:49, Alan B. Clegg wrote: >=20 > > Unless the network is lying to me again, Chad David said:=20 > > > On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 07:03:22PM -0400, Dan Langille wrote: > > > >=20 > > > > What I think is much more important is: Will the Habs win tonight?= =20 > > > > Will the Sens win Friday night? > > >=20 > > > Yes and No. > >=20 > > Go Hurricanes! >=20 > Actually, I'm quite a fan of The Hurricanes. They are my home team after= =20 > all. I've been to quite a few games. It's a great multi-purpose stadium. = =20 > It's wonderful for rugby and not so bad for cricket. In fact, the=20 > provincial team won NPC last year. I was very disappointed to miss that= =20 > game. Uh.. ok, what sport are we talking about now? AlanC --=20 | Alan Clegg | Networks | Security | UNIX | 802.11 |=20 perl -le '$_=3D"6110>374086;2064208213:90<307;55";tr[0->][ LEOR\!AUBGNSTY];= print' --zx4FCpZtqtKETZ7O Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE82w7AyJP8xSfQVdsRAtI0AKDJR0dFRHC4z3m/3uiHnPLudR6ZwwCgsmBG unErSRX17wNnJSIX2PUixiE= =EqVo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --zx4FCpZtqtKETZ7O-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 9 17: 8:23 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [216.187.105.150]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9DA637B405 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 17:08:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F7883F45; Thu, 10 May 2001 16:10:53 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dan Langille" Organization: DVL Software Limited To: "Alan B. Clegg" Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 20:08:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: What is happening at core? Reply-To: dan@langille.org Cc: FreeBSD Chat List In-reply-to: <20020509200520.B16060@shazam.wetworks.org> References: <20010510200312.377433F45@bast.unixathome.org>; from dan@langille.org on Thu, May 09, 2002 at 08:00:27PM -0400 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Message-Id: <20010510201053.1F7883F45@bast.unixathome.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 9 May 2002 at 20:05, Alan B. Clegg wrote: > Unless the network is lying to me again, Dan Langille said: > > On 9 May 2002 at 19:49, Alan B. Clegg wrote: > > > > > Unless the network is lying to me again, Chad David said: > > > > On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 07:03:22PM -0400, Dan Langille wrote: > > > > > > > > > > What I think is much more important is: Will the Habs win tonight? > > > > > Will the Sens win Friday night? > > > > > > > > Yes and No. > > > > > > Go Hurricanes! > > > > Actually, I'm quite a fan of The Hurricanes. They are my home team after > > all. I've been to quite a few games. It's a great multi-purpose stadium. > > It's wonderful for rugby and not so bad for cricket. In fact, the > > provincial team won NPC last year. I was very disappointed to miss that > > game. > > Uh.. ok, what sport are we talking about now? The Hurricanes are part of the Super 12 league . Why, what Hurricanes were you speaking of? ;) -- Dan Langille The FreeBSD Diary - http://freebsddiary.org/ - practical examples To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 9 17:10:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [216.187.105.150]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E18837B401 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 17:10:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9C8E3F45 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 16:12:41 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dan Langille" Organization: DVL Software Limited To: FreeBSD Chat List Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 20:09:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: People using spam checkers on mailing lists need to know what they are doing Reply-To: dan@langille.org X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Message-Id: <20010510201241.B9C8E3F45@bast.unixathome.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I assume other people are getting similar message from this misconfigured spam checker. ------- Forwarded message follows ------- From: abc-confirm- accept.1020988820.16414.442556@shell.wetworks.org Subject: Confirmation accepted Date sent: 09 May 2002 20:04:55 -0400 To: dan@langille.org Your confirmation was accepted, and so your original message has been delivered. [ This notice was generated by TMDA v0.52 (http://tmda.sf.net/), an automated junk-mail reduction system. ] --- Enclosed is a copy of your confirmation. >From dan@langille.org Fri May 10 00:04:55 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: abc-confirm- accept.1020988820.16414.442556@shell.wetworks.org Received: (qmail 16713 invoked by uid 85); 10 May 2002 00:04:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bast.unixathome.org) (216.187.105.150) by dsl-64-130-18-61.telocity.com with SMTP; 10 May 2002 00:04:53 -0000 Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 134C63F45; Thu, 10 May 2001 16:07:57 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dan Langille" Organization: DVL Software Limited To: abc@shell.wetworks.org, abc-confirm-accept.1020988820.16414.442556@shell.wetworks.org Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 20:05:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Please confirm your message Reply-To: dan@langille.org Priority: normal In-reply-to: <1020988820.16414.TMDA@dsl-64-130-18-61.telocity.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Message-Id: <20010510200757.134C63F45@bast.unixathome.org> X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Please fix your broken auto-responder. I didn't send you a message. The mailing list did. If you can't fix this, I suggest you not subscribe to any mailing lists. It's quite unfair for me to have to do this for you. Unless I hear back soon, I'll suggest that the postmaster unsubscribe you. On 9 May 2002 at 20:00, abc@shell.wetworks.org wrote: > Your e-mail message with the subject of "Re: What is happening at core?" > is being held because your address was not recognized. > > To release your message for delivery, please send an empty message > to the following address, or use your mailer's "Reply" feature. > > abc-confirm-accept.1020988820.16414.442556@shell.wetworks.org > > This confirmation verifies that your message is legitimate and not > junk-mail. Note that the computer system from which you are receiving > this message is in North Carolina, USA. North Carolina legislation > prohibits unsolicited commercial e-mail; it considers forged contact > information to be "computer trespass" and gives ISPs and spam recipients > the right to sue for damages, $10 per message, or $25,000 per day, > whichever is smaller. If this is unsolicited commercial e-mail, do NOT > respond to this message. By responding, you will be verifying your intent > to break the law, and the response will be used against you in court. > > Once legitimate users have responded to this message, they will not > be required to confirm any more messages to me unless you send them > from a different e-mail address. > > [ This notice was generated by TMDA v0.52 (http://tmda.sf.net/), > an automated junk-mail reduction system. ] > > --- Enclosed is a copy of your message. > > >From dan@langille.org Fri May 10 00:00:19 2002 > Return-Path: > Delivered-To: abc@shell.wetworks.org > Received: (qmail 16408 invoked by uid 85); 10 May 2002 00:00:19 -0000 > Delivered-To: clegg.com-alan@clegg.com Received: (qmail 16400 invoked by > uid 85); 10 May 2002 00:00:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO > bast.unixathome.org) (216.187.105.150) > by dsl-64-130-18-61.telocity.com with SMTP; 10 May 2002 00:00:15 -0000 > Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) > by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP > id 377433F45; Thu, 10 May 2001 16:03:12 -0400 (EDT) > From: "Dan Langille" > Organization: DVL Software Limited > To: "Alan B. Clegg" > Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 20:00:27 -0400 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Subject: Re: What is happening at core? > Reply-To: dan@langille.org > Cc: FreeBSD Chat List > Priority: normal > In-reply-to: <20020509194950.B14709@shazam.wetworks.org> > References: <20020509171455.A46786@colnta.acns.ab.ca>; from > davidc@acns.ab.ca on Thu, May 09, 2002 at 05:14:56PM -0600 X-mailer: > Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; > charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: > Mail message body Message-Id: > <20010510200312.377433F45@bast.unixathome.org> X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS > perl-11 > > On 9 May 2002 at 19:49, Alan B. Clegg wrote: > > > Unless the network is lying to me again, Chad David said: > > > On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 07:03:22PM -0400, Dan Langille wrote: > > > > > > > > What I think is much more important is: Will the Habs win tonight? > > > > Will the Sens win Friday night? > > > > > > Yes and No. > > > > Go Hurricanes! > > Actually, I'm quite a fan of The Hurricanes. They are my home team after > all. I've been to quite a few games. It's a great multi-purpose stadium. > It's wonderful for rugby and not so bad for cricket. In fact, the > provincial team won NPC last year. I was very disappointed to miss that > game. -- Dan Langille The FreeBSD Diary - http://freebsddiary.org/ - > practical examples > > > -- Dan Langille The FreeBSD Diary - http://freebsddiary.org/ - practical examples ------- End of forwarded message ------- -- Dan Langille The FreeBSD Diary - http://freebsddiary.org/ - practical examples To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 9 17:13:24 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from firehouse.net (dsl-64-130-18-61.telocity.com [64.130.18.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2147237B400 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 17:13:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 17368 invoked by uid 85); 10 May 2002 00:12:49 -0000 Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 20:12:48 -0400 To: FreeBSD Chat List Subject: Re: People using spam checkers on mailing lists need to know what they are doing Message-ID: <20020509201248.C17093@shazam.wetworks.org> References: <20010510201241.B9C8E3F45@bast.unixathome.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="oTHb8nViIGeoXxdp" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20010510201241.B9C8E3F45@bast.unixathome.org>; from dan@langille.org on Thu, May 09, 2002 at 08:09:57PM -0400 From: "Alan B. Clegg" X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.52 (Python 2.2 on FreeBSD/i386) X-TMDA-Fingerprint: +ycoPemdSsjln6k+l3ZaDqroR58 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --oTHb8nViIGeoXxdp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Unless the network is lying to me again, Dan Langille said:=20 > I assume other people are getting similar message from this misconfigured= =20 > spam checker. No, Dan, it is not configured wrong, you sent it To: me with a Cc: to the list. When you send it To: me, you get a message From: my checker. Please check your headers and don't make a public ass of yourself (as I have just done by asking you not to do the same to yourself. ;) AlanC --oTHb8nViIGeoXxdp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE82xCAyJP8xSfQVdsRAvkpAKDpXqRqmdebMHvyFAPotnjzpATcfwCgx+Xn BTDKSbIAZjVzvuGR62QJjEw= =xiEs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --oTHb8nViIGeoXxdp-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 9 17:15:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from iteso.mx (iteso.mx [148.201.1.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 528FE37B408 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 17:15:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from crysophylax.sc.iteso.mx (crysophylax.sc.iteso.mx [148.201.3.11]) by iteso.mx (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA05517; Thu, 9 May 2002 19:14:59 -0500 Subject: Re: Re: Finally a Linux with a ports collection From: Hector Gonzalez Jaime To: "Jeremy C. Reed" Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 Date: 09 May 2002 19:14:58 -0500 Message-Id: <1020989699.4883.6.camel@crysophylax> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 2002-05-09 at 19:03, Jeremy C. Reed wrote: > On Thu, 9 May 2002, Pete Ehlke wrote: > > > On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 04:49:02PM -0700, Gregory Sutter wrote: > > > > > > I am going surfing in 45 minutes. How's that for relevant? :) > > > > > It's raining in Fort Worth. > > It snowed here this week in the northwest (around Washington state, USA). > We had about an 1/8 inch in Marysville, but I read that some towns in > eastern Washington had 18 inches! > > I read it is the coldest May ever around here. The temperatures have been > from cold 30 F to warm mid-60's. > > Jeremy C. Reed > http://www.reedmedia.net/ It's around 34 C (93 F) where I live, at 7 p.m. (Guadalajara, Mexico), it's been quite a warm May. Not much snow at all, just once (some five years ago) in the last century. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message -- cacho@iteso.mx "Life's not fair, But the root password helps." --BOFH To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 9 17:17: 9 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [216.187.105.150]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6358C37B409 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 17:17:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD84B3F45; Thu, 10 May 2001 16:19:35 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dan Langille" Organization: DVL Software Limited To: "Alan B. Clegg" Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 20:16:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: People using spam checkers on mailing lists need to know what they are doing Reply-To: dan@langille.org Cc: FreeBSD Chat List In-reply-to: <20020509201248.C17093@shazam.wetworks.org> References: <20010510201241.B9C8E3F45@bast.unixathome.org>; from dan@langille.org on Thu, May 09, 2002 at 08:09:57PM -0400 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Message-Id: <20010510201935.BD84B3F45@bast.unixathome.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 9 May 2002 at 20:12, Alan B. Clegg wrote: > Unless the network is lying to me again, Dan Langille said: > > I assume other people are getting similar message from this misconfigured > > spam checker. > > No, Dan, it is not configured wrong, you sent it To: me with a Cc: to the > list. When you send it To: me, you get a message From: my checker. Please > check your headers and don't make a public ass of yourself (as I have just > done by asking you not to do the same to yourself. ;) Yeah. Me. Again. Sorry. I fucked up. My apologies. I've been dealing with so many of these things lately. People subscribe to my mailing lists. Then when the announcement goes out, I have to confirm for them. It's a nice feature, but I really hate having to do that for them when they should have enabled the address in the first place. That doesn't apply to this situation, where it's me at fault. -- Dan Langille The FreeBSD Diary - http://freebsddiary.org/ - practical examples To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 9 17:28:18 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [216.187.105.150]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2B9037B404 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 17:28:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18B8B3F45 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 16:30:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dan Langille" Organization: DVL Software Limited To: FreeBSD Chat List Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 20:28:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: poor Carolina... Reply-To: dan@langille.org X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Message-Id: <20010510203049.18B8B3F45@bast.unixathome.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org 3-nil for Montreal... -- Dan Langille The FreeBSD Diary - http://freebsddiary.org/ - practical examples To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 9 17:36:18 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from firehouse.net (dsl-64-130-18-61.telocity.com [64.130.18.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DADE937B409 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 17:36:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 18529 invoked by uid 85); 10 May 2002 00:35:45 -0000 Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 20:35:44 -0400 To: FreeBSD Chat List Subject: Re: poor Carolina... Message-ID: <20020509203544.A18239@shazam.wetworks.org> References: <20010510203049.18B8B3F45@bast.unixathome.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="+HP7ph2BbKc20aGI" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20010510203049.18B8B3F45@bast.unixathome.org>; from dan@langille.org on Thu, May 09, 2002 at 08:28:04PM -0400 From: "Alan B. Clegg" X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.52 (Python 2.2 on FreeBSD/i386) X-TMDA-Fingerprint: pmAi7e08VIO2s1boCCQsDdzm8MA X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --+HP7ph2BbKc20aGI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Unless the network is lying to me again, Dan Langille said:=20 > 3-nil for Montreal...=20 Hozers. PHHHHHHTTTTTTttttttt..... AlanC --+HP7ph2BbKc20aGI Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE82xXgyJP8xSfQVdsRAls8AKCg6FVzvCq1lgjQ5RIzdbD7Sv70fgCeIbzE ktzs2eOdrHmbtbxrt9au/eQ= =bew7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --+HP7ph2BbKc20aGI-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 9 18: 0:52 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mired.org (dsl-64-192-6-133.telocity.com [64.192.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3901A37B401 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 18:00:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 71711 invoked by uid 100); 10 May 2002 01:00:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15579.7102.84917.814093@guru.mired.org> Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 20:00:46 -0500 To: dan@langille.org Cc: FreeBSD Chat List Subject: Re: People using spam checkers on mailing lists need to know what they are doing In-Reply-To: <20010510201935.BD84B3F45@bast.unixathome.org> References: <20010510201241.B9C8E3F45@bast.unixathome.org> <20010510201935.BD84B3F45@bast.unixathome.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ From: Mike Meyer X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.54 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In <20010510201935.BD84B3F45@bast.unixathome.org>, Dan Langille typed: > On 9 May 2002 at 20:12, Alan B. Clegg wrote: > > Unless the network is lying to me again, Dan Langille said: > > > I assume other people are getting similar message from this misconfigured > > > spam checker. > > No, Dan, it is not configured wrong, you sent it To: me with a Cc: to the > > list. When you send it To: me, you get a message From: my checker. Please > > check your headers and don't make a public ass of yourself (as I have just > > done by asking you not to do the same to yourself. ;) > Yeah. Me. Again. Sorry. I fucked up. My apologies. No, Dan, you didn't fuck up. It looks like Alan is running a poor - I won't say broken - TMDA configuration. Any configuration that sends mail with addresses that require a confirmation is poor, as that is easily avoided with TMDA. The point is to reduce unsoliticed mail, not force everyone you send mail to to jump through hoops. > I've been dealing with so many of these things lately. People subscribe > to my mailing lists. Then when the announcement goes out, I have to > confirm for them. It's a nice feature, but I really hate having to do > that for them when they should have enabled the address in the first > place. That doesn't apply to this situation, where it's me at fault. There are at least two ways to configure TMDA so that the problem you saw doesn't occur. Since the FreeBSD lists don't check that mail is from a subscriber, the simplest is to whitelist freebsd.org with: from *@=freebsd.org ok in filters/incoming. This also means that people closing PR's won't have to confirm, which is a good thing. You then use dated addresses on outgoing mail with to *@=freebsd.org dated in filters/outgiong. That people who reply promptly won't be asked to confirm, but you won't be bombarded with spam from people harvesting the list archives as the address will expire. For the more general problem of subscribing to arbitrary mailling lists on domains you don't trust, you can either whitelist the envelope sender - which should be the same on all messages - or subscribe with a keyworded address. You can either use that keyword address on all mail going out to the list, or use dated addresses and set the envelope sender appropriately for that list. All of this is covered - repeatedly and in depth - in the TMDA users mail list archives. For those interested in trying TMDA out, it's in the ports tree as mail/tmda. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 9 19: 3:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from firehouse.net (dsl-64-130-18-61.telocity.com [64.130.18.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AE4D937B405 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 19:03:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 23338 invoked by uid 85); 10 May 2002 02:03:15 -0000 Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 22:03:14 -0400 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: TMDA and mailing lists Message-ID: <20020509220314.C22338@shazam.wetworks.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="bAmEntskrkuBymla" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i From: "Alan B. Clegg" X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.52 (Python 2.2 on FreeBSD/i386) X-TMDA-Fingerprint: uZz4W8km3IHJjSZtimBVZHzE6Rw X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --bAmEntskrkuBymla Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry for all the crap earlier this evening. There was a mis-communication that lead to harsh words which led to postings that should not have happene= d. I believe that my configuration (at least for this one list) is correct now= =20 and Dan and I will lay off of each other. Go Hurricanes! AlanC --=20 | Alan Clegg | Networks | Security | UNIX | 802.11 |=20 perl -le '$_=3D"6110>374086;2064208213:90<307;55";tr[0->][ LEOR\!AUBGNSTY];= print' --bAmEntskrkuBymla Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE82ypiyJP8xSfQVdsRAtnjAJ0eiK+Mukdzkdb1XyG5GLHzaHUSKgCglDsz 4OUL5JDnS6d4J0Uddh883u8= =KMG1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --bAmEntskrkuBymla-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 9 19: 6:34 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ucan.foad.org (ucan.foad.org [64.173.36.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3A9E37B401 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 19:06:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pde@localhost) by ucan.foad.org (foad/FOAD2.0) id g4A26WG00553 for chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 9 May 2002 19:06:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 19:06:32 -0700 From: Pete Ehlke To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: TMDA and mailing lists Message-ID: <20020509190632.A7020@ehlke.net> References: <20020509220314.C22338@shazam.wetworks.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020509220314.C22338@shazam.wetworks.org>; from alan-dated-1021428194.e46c53@clegg.com on Thu, May 09, 2002 at 10:03:14PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 10:03:14PM -0400, Alan B. Clegg wrote: > > Go Hurricanes! > The rain here in Texas has stopped. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 9 19:13:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [216.187.105.150]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C084D37B401 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 19:13:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A07383F45; Thu, 10 May 2001 18:16:15 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dan Langille" Organization: DVL Software Limited To: "Alan B. Clegg" Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 22:13:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: TMDA and mailing lists Reply-To: dan@langille.org Cc: FreeBSD Chat List In-reply-to: <20020509220314.C22338@shazam.wetworks.org> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Message-Id: <20010510221615.A07383F45@bast.unixathome.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 9 May 2002 at 22:03, Alan B. Clegg wrote: > Sorry for all the crap earlier this evening. There was a mis-communication > that lead to harsh words which led to postings that should not have happened. /me too > I believe that my configuration (at least for this one list) is correct now > and Dan and I will lay off of each other. At least on this topic. > Go Hurricanes! Tied at 3 after 3... now in sudden death overtime. Go Habs go! -- Dan Langille The FreeBSD Diary - http://freebsddiary.org/ - practical examples To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 9 19:15: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [216.187.105.150]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D638E37B403 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 19:14:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 810EE3F45; Thu, 10 May 2001 18:17:28 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dan Langille" Organization: DVL Software Limited To: Alan B.Clegg Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 22:14:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: TMDA and mailing lists Reply-To: dan@langille.org Cc: FreeBSD Chat List References: <20020509220314.C22338@shazam.wetworks.org> In-reply-to: <20010510221615.A07383F45@bast.unixathome.org> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Message-Id: <20010510221728.810EE3F45@bast.unixathome.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 9 May 2002 at 22:13, Dan Langille wrote: > Tied at 3 after 3... now in sudden death overtime. Go Habs go! Oh damn. Habs lost... -- Dan Langille The FreeBSD Diary - http://freebsddiary.org/ - practical examples To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 9 19:16:42 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from firehouse.net (dsl-64-130-18-61.telocity.com [64.130.18.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3890F37B405 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 19:16:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 24336 invoked by uid 85); 10 May 2002 02:16:08 -0000 Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 22:16:06 -0400 To: FreeBSD Chat List Subject: Re: poor Carolina... Message-ID: <20020509221606.D23861@shazam.wetworks.org> References: <20010510203049.18B8B3F45@bast.unixathome.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="sXc4Kmr5FA7axrvy" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20010510203049.18B8B3F45@bast.unixathome.org>; from dan@langille.org on Thu, May 09, 2002 at 08:28:04PM -0400 From: "Alan B. Clegg" X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.52 (Python 2.2 on FreeBSD/i386) X-TMDA-Fingerprint: u9Aa0Rzn35Z+YHZ4k4mACw5yppk X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --sXc4Kmr5FA7axrvy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Unless the network is lying to me again, Dan Langille said:=20 > 3-nil for Montreal...=20 Hurricanes won in overtime, 4 to 3. Now, back to your previously scheduled flamefest, or non sports related=20 stuff or... whatever. AlanC {note that I'm only posting this to get a rise out of Dan. ;-} --=20 | Alan Clegg | Networks | Security | UNIX | 802.11 |=20 perl -le '$_=3D"6110>374086;2064208213:90<307;55";tr[0->][ LEOR\!AUBGNSTY];= print' --sXc4Kmr5FA7axrvy Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE82y1myJP8xSfQVdsRAuHwAKC4ZyfMZ7EEe57WOfyZzzpnAp6OkQCgr0ME /xzn8ImDGIGGE8CZMyAPokQ= =Af9i -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --sXc4Kmr5FA7axrvy-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 9 19:27:30 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ucan.foad.org (ucan.foad.org [64.173.36.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF46137B406 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 19:27:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pde@localhost) by ucan.foad.org (foad/FOAD2.0) id g4A2RSp22641 for chat@freebsd.org; Thu, 9 May 2002 19:27:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 19:27:28 -0700 From: Pete Ehlke To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: YA fortune Message-ID: <20020509192728.A10792@ehlke.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org So... to tie together a couple of recent threads: No no no. At risk of becoming embroiled in another OS religious war, use FreeBSD if you must use a PC-based system. Linux just makes me ill. ("Uh, well, let's see: I need procps version foo, networking tools version bar with patch baz, libc version gronk, kernel version freen -- no wait, procps version foo doesn't work with kernel version freen so I need procps version foo patchlevel fnord -- hold it: now I need libc version *honk* to make procps version fnord work -- and I need modules version *belch* and -- wait: I have an SMC EtherPower card so I need to patch the kernel to use tulip driver version spoon....") --Bill Paul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 9 19:32:47 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pogo.caustic.org (caustic.org [64.163.147.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E61D37B403 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 19:32:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jan@localhost) by pogo.caustic.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g4A2WWZ66661; Thu, 9 May 2002 19:32:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jan@caustic.org) Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 19:32:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "f.johan.beisser" To: Pete Ehlke Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: YA fortune In-Reply-To: <20020509192728.A10792@ehlke.net> Message-ID: <20020509193159.A40234-100000@pogo.caustic.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 9 May 2002, Pete Ehlke wrote: > No no no. At risk of becoming embroiled in another OS religious war, use > FreeBSD if you must use a PC-based system. Linux just makes me ill. > ("Uh, well, let's see: I need procps version foo, networking tools > version bar with patch baz, libc version gronk, kernel version freen -- > no wait, procps version foo doesn't work with kernel version freen so I > need procps version foo patchlevel fnord -- hold it: now I need libc > version *honk* to make procps version fnord work -- and I need modules > version *belch* and -- wait: I have an SMC EtherPower card so I need to > patch the kernel to use tulip driver version spoon....") you forgot the USAGI patches. -------/ f. johan beisser /--------------------------------------+ http://caustic.org/~jan jan@caustic.org "John Ashcroft is really just the reanimated corpse of J. Edgar Hoover." -- Tim Triche To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 9 19:34:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ucan.foad.org (ucan.foad.org [64.173.36.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F23B437B405 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 19:34:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pde@localhost) by ucan.foad.org (foad/FOAD2.0) id g4A2YGC04179 for chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 9 May 2002 19:34:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 19:34:16 -0700 From: Pete Ehlke To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: YA fortune Message-ID: <20020509193416.B10792@ehlke.net> References: <20020509192728.A10792@ehlke.net> <20020509193159.A40234-100000@pogo.caustic.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020509193159.A40234-100000@pogo.caustic.org>; from jan@caustic.org on Thu, May 09, 2002 at 07:32:32PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 07:32:32PM -0700, f.johan.beisser wrote: > On Thu, 9 May 2002, Pete Ehlke wrote: > > > No no no. At risk of becoming embroiled in another OS religious war, use > > FreeBSD if you must use a PC-based system. Linux just makes me ill. > > ("Uh, well, let's see: I need procps version foo, networking tools > > version bar with patch baz, libc version gronk, kernel version freen -- > > no wait, procps version foo doesn't work with kernel version freen so I > > need procps version foo patchlevel fnord -- hold it: now I need libc > > version *honk* to make procps version fnord work -- and I need modules > > version *belch* and -- wait: I have an SMC EtherPower card so I need to > > patch the kernel to use tulip driver version spoon....") > > you forgot the USAGI patches. > Bill wrote that in 1996. There was no such thing at the time ;) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 9 20: 6:31 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.acns.ab.ca (mail.acns.ab.ca [142.179.151.95]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FC0237B407 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 20:06:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from colnta.acns.ab.ca (colnta.acns.ab.ca [192.168.1.2]) by mail.acns.ab.ca (8.12.3/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g4A36MM4024083; Thu, 9 May 2002 21:06:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from davidc@colnta.acns.ab.ca) Received: from colnta.acns.ab.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by colnta.acns.ab.ca (8.12.2/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4A36MaA047190; Thu, 9 May 2002 21:06:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from davidc@colnta.acns.ab.ca) Received: (from davidc@localhost) by colnta.acns.ab.ca (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id g4A36Ml6047189; Thu, 9 May 2002 21:06:22 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 21:06:22 -0600 From: Chad David To: Dan Langille Cc: FreeBSD Chat List Subject: Re: What is happening at core? Message-ID: <20020509210622.A46940@colnta.acns.ab.ca> Mail-Followup-To: Dan Langille , FreeBSD Chat List References: <20010510190606.966373F45@bast.unixathome.org>; <20020509171455.A46786@colnta.acns.ab.ca> <20010510195553.0BDE53F45@bast.unixathome.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20010510195553.0BDE53F45@bast.unixathome.org>; from dan@langille.org on Thu, May 09, 2002 at 07:53:08PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 07:53:08PM -0400, Dan Langille wrote: > On 9 May 2002 at 17:14, Chad David wrote: > > > On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 07:03:22PM -0400, Dan Langille wrote: > > > > > > What I think is much more important is: Will the Habs win tonight? Will > > > the Sens win Friday night? > > > > > > > Yes and No. > > Bugger. And It's 2-zip already. Sorry, what I was meaning to say was No and Yes :). -- Chad David davidc@acns.ab.ca www.FreeBSD.org davidc@freebsd.org ACNS Inc. Calgary, Alberta Canada Fourthly, The constant breeders, beside the gain of eight shillings sterling per annum by the sale of their children, will be rid of the charge of maintaining them after the first year. - Johnathan Swift To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 9 20:13:42 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [216.187.105.150]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE07237B406 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 20:13:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCFB23F3F; Thu, 10 May 2001 19:16:12 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dan Langille" Organization: DVL Software Limited To: Chad David Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 23:13:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: What is happening at core? Reply-To: dan@langille.org Cc: FreeBSD Chat List In-reply-to: <20020509210622.A46940@colnta.acns.ab.ca> References: <20010510195553.0BDE53F45@bast.unixathome.org>; from dan@langille.org on Thu, May 09, 2002 at 07:53:08PM -0400 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Message-Id: <20010510231612.BCFB23F3F@bast.unixathome.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 9 May 2002 at 21:06, Chad David wrote: > On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 07:53:08PM -0400, Dan Langille wrote: > > On 9 May 2002 at 17:14, Chad David wrote: > > > > > On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 07:03:22PM -0400, Dan Langille wrote: > > > > > > > > What I think is much more important is: Will the Habs win tonight? Will > > > > the Sens win Friday night? > > > > > > > > > > Yes and No. > > > > Bugger. And It's 2-zip already. > > Sorry, what I was meaning to say was No and Yes :). Of course you did. Now, I do prefer the Sens winning... -- Dan Langille The FreeBSD Diary - http://freebsddiary.org/ - practical examples To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 9 20:31:22 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail15.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.215]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8EF637B405 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 20:31:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 11789 invoked from network); 10 May 2002 03:31:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO server.baldwin.cx) ([216.27.160.63]) (envelope-sender ) by mail15.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 10 May 2002 03:31:17 -0000 Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (laptop.baldwin.cx [192.168.0.4]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g4A3VGF40657; Thu, 9 May 2002 23:31:16 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.2 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20020509234902.GL582@klapaucius.zer0.org> Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 23:31:13 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin To: Gregory Sutter Subject: Re: Re: Finally a Linux with a ports collection Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG, Francisco Reyes Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 09-May-2002 Gregory Sutter wrote: > On 2002-05-09 18:50 -0400, Francisco Reyes wrote: >> >> There are plenty of places to discuss Linux. >> Even though Chat is supposed to be about "anything", discussions about how >> to use, or why to use, or which is better.. etc... of/about/for Linux is >> probably not covered under the "anything" clause. > > Sure they are; don't be silly. chat@ is just a place for people > interested in FreeBSD to talk about anything at all. > > I am going surfing in 45 minutes. How's that for relevant? :) Is Andrew corrupting you now? *duck* -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 9 20:31:26 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail12.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.212]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D02F437B403 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 20:31:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 15481 invoked from network); 10 May 2002 03:31:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO server.baldwin.cx) ([216.27.160.63]) (envelope-sender ) by mail12.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 10 May 2002 03:31:17 -0000 Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (laptop.baldwin.cx [192.168.0.4]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g4A3VGF40653; Thu, 9 May 2002 23:31:16 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.2 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20020509192728.A10792@ehlke.net> Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 23:31:13 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin To: Pete Ehlke Subject: RE: YA fortune Cc: chat@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 10-May-2002 Pete Ehlke wrote: > > So... to tie together a couple of recent threads: > > No no no. At risk of becoming embroiled in another OS religious war, > use FreeBSD if you must use a PC-based system. Linux just makes me ill. > ("Uh, well, let's see: I need procps version foo, networking tools > version bar with patch baz, libc version gronk, kernel version freen -- no > wait, procps version foo doesn't work with kernel version freen so I need > procps version foo patchlevel fnord -- hold it: now I need libc version > *honk* > to make procps version fnord work -- and I need modules version *belch* > and -- wait: I have an SMC EtherPower card so I need to patch the kernel > to use tulip driver version spoon....") > > --Bill Paul Hahahaha! Please someone put this in. :) -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 9 21:52:52 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from server2.highperformance.net (ip30.gte4.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [209.20.215.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE6D337B406 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 21:52:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server2.highperformance.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g4A4qJxm028428 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 21:52:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcwells@highperformance.net) Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 21:52:19 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-X-Sender: jcw@server2.highperformance.net To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: YA fortune In-Reply-To: <20020509193159.A40234-100000@pogo.caustic.org> Message-ID: <20020509214345.M28407-100000@server2.highperformance.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 9 May 2002, f.johan.beisser wrote: > On Thu, 9 May 2002, Pete Ehlke wrote: > > > No no no. At risk of becoming embroiled in another OS religious war, use > > FreeBSD if you must use a PC-based system. Linux just makes me ill. > > ("Uh, well, let's see: I need procps version foo, networking tools > > version bar with patch baz, libc version gronk, kernel version freen -- You guys think you're funny but your NOT! Like everything, I learned about this the hard way. I installed NTP on a webserver. This required glibc version whats-its. No prob. Got NTP working. New glibc. All my servers are synced. I think I am cool. The next day, the woman who processed all of our orders said, "I didn't get any orders today. Is something wrong?" Grck! Rxph! ACk! I never even considered that there would be a problem. FreeBSD upgrades all sorts of stuff all the time and its nevera problem. Why would Linux be any different? (ahh, naivete) IMO, this is the simplest and most easily convincing reason FreeBSD is better than Linux. Jason C. Wells To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 9 23:46:16 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C25337B407 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 23:46:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-a042.otenet.gr [212.205.215.42]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g4A6jpj7014787; Fri, 10 May 2002 09:45:53 +0300 (EEST) Received: from hades.hell.gr (hades [127.0.0.1]) by hades.hell.gr (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g4A6jkV0008812; Fri, 10 May 2002 09:45:50 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.12.3/8.12.2/Submit) id g4A4bA4t001846; Fri, 10 May 2002 07:37:10 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 07:37:10 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Pete Ehlke Cc: chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: TMDA and mailing lists Message-ID: <20020510043710.GD1327@hades.hell.gr> References: <20020509220314.C22338@shazam.wetworks.org> <20020509190632.A7020@ehlke.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020509190632.A7020@ehlke.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2002-05-09 19:06, Pete Ehlke wrote: > On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 10:03:14PM -0400, Alan B. Clegg wrote: > > > > Go Hurricanes! > > The rain here in Texas has stopped. You know, I'm not sure about the Hurricanes, since Greece is too busy rejoicing the fact that PAO (a Greek basketball team) is the European champion for this year... but the weather here looks JUST GREAT! ( Sorry, I couldn't resist. ) - Giorgos To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 9 23:46:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5440337B408 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 23:46:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-a042.otenet.gr [212.205.215.42]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g4A6kIj7015669; Fri, 10 May 2002 09:46:19 +0300 (EEST) Received: from hades.hell.gr (hades [127.0.0.1]) by hades.hell.gr (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g4A6jkV4008812; Fri, 10 May 2002 09:46:16 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.12.3/8.12.2/Submit) id g4A4S9j5001765; Fri, 10 May 2002 07:28:09 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 07:28:09 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: rob@pythonemproject.com Cc: tlambert2@mindspring.com, chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Re: Finally a Linux with a ports collection Message-ID: <20020510042809.GB1327@hades.hell.gr> References: <200205092025.QAA47121@mmm1902.dulles19-verio.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200205092025.QAA47121@mmm1902.dulles19-verio.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2002-05-09 20:25, rob@pythonemproject.com wrote: > Hey, if you're having a bad day, or your Options are under water, > don't take it out on me :) I like experiencing new things. I'd run > current, but then I'm not insane. Rob. I'm always replying with something like: "The best Linux distribution is FreeBSD 4.5-RELEASE." in a #linux channel of a Greek IRC network. After a while, people stop looking funnily at you and ask for CDROM copies of FreeBSD :P They know I am joking, but they also start feeling curious. A lot of my friends are enthusiastic Linux advocates but also use FreeBSD or ask me to test things on FreeBSD before releasing them to the public. We don't have to fight among us. Linux and FreeBSD users can coexist happily for extended periods of time. Believe me, I know ;-) - Giorgos To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 10 2: 7:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5175D37B401 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 02:07:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from corto.lpt.ens.fr (corto.lpt.ens.fr [129.199.122.2]) by nef.ens.fr (8.10.1/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id g4A95mH23427 ; Fri, 10 May 2002 11:05:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from (rsidd@localhost) by corto.lpt.ens.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id LAA57655 ; Fri, 10 May 2002 11:04:58 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 11:04:58 +0200 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Giorgos Keramidas Cc: rob@pythonemproject.com, tlambert2@mindspring.com, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Re: Finally a Linux with a ports collection Message-ID: <20020510110457.A57329@lpt.ens.fr> References: <200205092025.QAA47121@mmm1902.dulles19-verio.com> <20020510042809.GB1327@hades.hell.gr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020510042809.GB1327@hades.hell.gr>; from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr on Fri, May 10, 2002 at 07:28:09AM +0300 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Giorgos Keramidas said on May 10, 2002 at 07:28:09: > > We don't have to fight among us. Linux and FreeBSD users can coexist > happily for extended periods of time. Believe me, I know ;-) I know too. I've coexisted with myself for quite a while now :) R To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 10 2:17: 0 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB5F037B400 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 02:16:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from corto.lpt.ens.fr (corto.lpt.ens.fr [129.199.122.2]) by nef.ens.fr (8.10.1/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id g4A9GtH25263 ; Fri, 10 May 2002 11:16:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from (rsidd@localhost) by corto.lpt.ens.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id LAA58285 ; Fri, 10 May 2002 11:16:55 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 11:16:55 +0200 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Mike Meyer Cc: dan@langille.org, FreeBSD Chat List Subject: Re: People using spam checkers on mailing lists need to know what they are doing Message-ID: <20020510111655.B57329@lpt.ens.fr> Mail-Followup-To: Mike Meyer , dan@langille.org, FreeBSD Chat List References: <20010510201241.B9C8E3F45@bast.unixathome.org> <20010510201935.BD84B3F45@bast.unixathome.org> <15579.7102.84917.814093@guru.mired.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <15579.7102.84917.814093@guru.mired.org>; from mwm-dated-1021424446.a121e6@mired.org on Thu, May 09, 2002 at 08:00:46PM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Meyer said on May 9, 2002 at 20:00:46: > > No, Dan, you didn't fuck up. It looks like Alan is running a poor - I > won't say broken - TMDA configuration. I agree. Besides, Alan's complaint seems to be that he's in the To: header. I've seen the complaint before: "don't send it to me separately, I'm subscribed". The point is, (a) not everyone who posts is subscribed, and (b) even those who are subscribed may prefer to be listed explicitly on the headers, for example if they filter their list mail into a separate folder but also want to receive a copy of your reply in their inbox. And it's hard to keep track of everyone's preferences. So I'd say, just leave the sender in the To: and the list in the cc:, it's the recipient's business to take care of it... R To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 10 2:21:26 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from 100m.mpr200-2.esr.lvcm.net (100m.mpr200-2.esr.lvcm.net [24.234.0.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 613AC37B403 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 02:21:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from penguin (cm187.166.234.24.lvcm.com [24.234.166.187]) by 100m.mpr200-2.esr.lvcm.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 2.9.3.2) with SMTP id ADJ91178; Fri, 10 May 2002 02:21:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000701c1f804$47d5dc00$6401a8c0@penguin> From: "Taylor Dondich" To: Subject: My horror story Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 02:23:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Okay, so I finally came across horror in my time of using FreeBSD. Sit back, grab some popcorn, I have a gruesome tale to tell. Well, it's not that bad, I guess. Taught me a few things. I run three servers in my home, all running FreeBSD, of course. One server is my internal DNS server, my other two, web servers, each with it's own purpose; however, one hosts all the sites of my clients, so it's very important to me. Well, I just purchased a new Cisco router (go me!) and was installing it on my network. Once I was finally satisfied with the configuration and felt I could leave my server room (wow, I've even got a server room. Go me!) I walked out. On my way out, I instinctively flipped the light switch; however, I forgot that light switch was NOT the switch to the light, but the outlet that powered my server goodies. As my heart jumped in horror to the sound of hard-drives whirring down, I immediately flipped the switch to the on position (this was probably a bad idea). This, in effect, caused a brown-out situation. My servers came back up, all beeping in terror. Now, I've never really came across this situation before. Only once before has the power gone out. I don't have a universal power supply (don't go me!) and when the power's out, my server's are out. Not a good thing. But, that one time, the machines came up, fsck ran, checked everything out and booted back up, no problems. This....was different. The webserver that hosted my clients came up, fsck said things were a bit scary but will boot up anyways. I sighed a sigh of relief, hoping the other two machines would be the same. They weren't. My other webserver screamed in terror as it said it had a problem with the filesystems and booted to a prompt, requesting me to get my act together. I have no experience in this, so I simply typed fsck, and it went through it's merry way, telling me data at certain inodes were unsalvagable and would need to be removed (hope nothing important, I couldn't tell what they were). But eventually, after about 3 passes of fsck, it allowed me to boot. It was in pretty good condition. Now, as I turned to my internal DNS server, I felt a shiver go down my spine. The errors were different, fsck was complaining more, it just wouldn't let me go through it. I didn't have enough experience in fsck, my hands became sweaty, I wiped my brow with a Microsoft EULA, it was getting late. After many attempts, all bearing no fruit, I lowered my head and said my goodbyes. My server was gone. The hard-drive took a serious hit. And the system was extremely old. It held it's head high as it served internal DNS requests and pumped its arms in fury as my web requests hit it as hard as it could. It fought a good fight. Orion, I only had you for a short time. Your day will come again. So it's time to rebuild a new server, and get more experience with filesystems and fsck. Any tips you have would be extremely greatful. Also, I'm now looking into a Universal Power Supply solution. Something from APS, I feel. However, I don't know if the PowerChute software they supply will work with FreeBSD. Anyone have any ideas or comments? Thank you all for listening to my tale. I scroll up and realize I wasted a good amount of bytes typing this and hope you found it enjoyable to laugh at my dismay. :) I'm going to bed. Taylor To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 10 2:27:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC74B37B400 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 02:27:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from corto.lpt.ens.fr (corto.lpt.ens.fr [129.199.122.2]) by nef.ens.fr (8.10.1/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id g4A9RCH27207 ; Fri, 10 May 2002 11:27:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from (rsidd@localhost) by corto.lpt.ens.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id LAA58801 ; Fri, 10 May 2002 11:27:12 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 11:27:12 +0200 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: "Jason C. Wells" Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: YA fortune Message-ID: <20020510112712.C57329@lpt.ens.fr> References: <20020509193159.A40234-100000@pogo.caustic.org> <20020509214345.M28407-100000@server2.highperformance.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020509214345.M28407-100000@server2.highperformance.net>; from jcwells@highperformance.net on Thu, May 09, 2002 at 09:52:19PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jason C. Wells said on May 9, 2002 at 21:52:19: > > I never even considered that there would be a problem. FreeBSD upgrades > all sorts of stuff all the time and its nevera problem. Well, true for the base system. Most people also need ports, and those can be a problem. The one that bit me, and many other people, was libpng 1.0->1.2 which affected just about every graphical program/desktop environment. The ugly part was that the libpng upgrade was sneaked in, without warning, by some other port which required it, and that broke all the existing ports. In principle that sort of thing could happen anywhere in the ports tree. Nothing one can do about it, except avoid installing new packages from the "fresh" ports tree and stick to the "releases", or else be prepared to rebuild everything (portupgrade makes that easier but it's still very time-consuming). As for linux -- it's the same problem, but well, that's what distros are for, no? If Bill Paul wrote that in 1996, it was probably justified, but today it's not. R To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 10 4: 4:55 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mcqueen.wolfsburg.de (pns.wobline.de [212.68.68.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B74E37B407 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 04:04:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from k6-2-300.tisys.org (ppp-322.wobline.de [212.68.71.43]) by mcqueen.wolfsburg.de (8.11.3/8.11.3/sh-2002041503) with ESMTP id g4AB4hg12075 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 13:04:43 +0200 Received: from daemon.tisys.org (palomino-1533.tisys.org [192.168.0.3]) by k6-2-300.tisys.org (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g4AB6bo2007564 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 13:06:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from nils@daemon.tisys.org) Received: (from nils@localhost) by daemon.tisys.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g4AB57FC051295 for chat@freebsd.org; Fri, 10 May 2002 13:05:07 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 13:05:07 +0200 From: Nils Holland To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Re: Finally a Linux with a ports collection Message-ID: <20020510130507.A51218@daemon.tisys.org> References: <1020989699.4883.6.camel@crysophylax> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <1020989699.4883.6.camel@crysophylax>; from cacho@iteso.mx on Thu, May 09, 2002 at 07:14:58PM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD palomino-1533.tisys.org 4.6-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 4.6-PRERELEASE X-Machine-Uptime: 12:57PM up 6:03, 2 users, load averages: 0.19, 0.10, 0.04 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 07:14:58PM -0500, Hector Gonzalez Jaime stood up and spoke: > > > On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 04:49:02PM -0700, Gregory Sutter wrote: > > > It's raining in Fort Worth. > > > > It snowed here this week in the northwest (around Washington state, USA). > > We had about an 1/8 inch in Marysville, but I read that some towns in > > eastern Washington had 18 inches! > > > > I read it is the coldest May ever around here. The temperatures have been > > from cold 30 F to warm mid-60's. > > > > Jeremy C. Reed > > http://www.reedmedia.net/ > > It's around 34 C (93 F) where I live, at 7 p.m. (Guadalajara, Mexico), > it's been quite a warm May. Not much snow at all, just once (some five > years ago) in the last century. To bring this weather discussion back onto FreeBSD-track a little bit: We had a thunderstorm here last week and the power failed, taking down my FreeBSD box with 239 days uptime (my personal record). I guess I should get myself an UPS - however, the power failure was not that bad, since I figured that if I had to start from zero uptime again anyway, I could also invest a few hours and bring that FreeBSD box "up-to-date"... Greetings Nils -- Nils Holland Ti Systems - http://www.tisys.org Addicted to computing since 1987 High on FreeBSD since 1996 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 10 5: 1:11 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from tesla.foo.is (tesla.reverse-bias.org [217.151.166.96]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBD3E37B400 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 05:01:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from there (eniac.foo.is [192.168.1.25]) by tesla.foo.is (Postfix) with SMTP id 9244F2744; Fri, 10 May 2002 12:00:55 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Baldur Gislason To: "Taylor Dondich" Subject: Re: My horror story Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 12:00:36 +0000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <000701c1f804$47d5dc00$6401a8c0@penguin> In-Reply-To: <000701c1f804$47d5dc00$6401a8c0@penguin> Cc: chat@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020510120055.9244F2744@tesla.foo.is> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I once lost the /usr hard drive in one of my servers, taking out my home directory that contained a lot of programs I had written :( I have a Uninterruptable Power Supply, APC Smart-UPS 620 and I graph the line voltage at http://status.foo.is/ups.png What happened in my server wasn't a power outage, the processor fan died, processor overheated and machine started spontaniously rebooting, and when it rebooted for one time when I was editing something in vi, I got so pissed off that I kicked the machine, thus taking out the hard drive. The / and /var drive survived though and my named zones were intact (lucky me) but no more /usr Baldur On Friday 10 May 2002 09:23, you wrote: > Okay, so I finally came across horror in my time of using FreeBSD. Sit > back, grab some popcorn, I have a gruesome tale to tell. Well, it's not > that bad, I guess. Taught me a few things. > > I run three servers in my home, all running FreeBSD, of course. One server > is my internal DNS server, my other two, web servers, each with it's own > purpose; however, one hosts all the sites of my clients, so it's very > important to me. > > Well, I just purchased a new Cisco router (go me!) and was installing it on > my network. Once I was finally satisfied with the configuration and felt I > could leave my server room (wow, I've even got a server room. Go me!) I > walked out. On my way out, I instinctively flipped the light switch; > however, I forgot that light switch was NOT the switch to the light, but > the outlet that powered my server goodies. As my heart jumped in horror to > the sound of hard-drives whirring down, I immediately flipped the switch to > the on position (this was probably a bad idea). This, in effect, caused a > brown-out situation. My servers came back up, all beeping in terror. > > Now, I've never really came across this situation before. Only once before > has the power gone out. I don't have a universal power supply (don't go > me!) and when the power's out, my server's are out. Not a good thing. > But, that one time, the machines came up, fsck ran, checked everything out > and booted back up, no problems. > > This....was different. > > The webserver that hosted my clients came up, fsck said things were a bit > scary but will boot up anyways. I sighed a sigh of relief, hoping the > other two machines would be the same. They weren't. My other webserver > screamed in terror as it said it had a problem with the filesystems and > booted to a prompt, requesting me to get my act together. I have no > experience in this, so I simply typed fsck, and it went through it's merry > way, telling me data at certain inodes were unsalvagable and would need to > be removed (hope nothing important, I couldn't tell what they were). But > eventually, after about 3 passes of fsck, it allowed me to boot. It was in > pretty good condition. Now, as I turned to my internal DNS server, I felt > a shiver go down my spine. The errors were different, fsck was complaining > more, it just wouldn't let me go through it. I didn't have enough > experience in fsck, my hands became sweaty, I wiped my brow with a > Microsoft EULA, it was getting late. > > After many attempts, all bearing no fruit, I lowered my head and said my > goodbyes. My server was gone. > > The hard-drive took a serious hit. And the system was extremely old. It > held it's head high as it served internal DNS requests and pumped its arms > in fury as my web requests hit it as hard as it could. > > It fought a good fight. Orion, I only had you for a short time. Your day > will come again. > > So it's time to rebuild a new server, and get more experience with > filesystems and fsck. Any tips you have would be extremely greatful. > > Also, I'm now looking into a Universal Power Supply solution. Something > from APS, I feel. However, I don't know if the PowerChute software they > supply will work with FreeBSD. Anyone have any ideas or comments? > > Thank you all for listening to my tale. I scroll up and realize I wasted a > good amount of bytes typing this and hope you found it enjoyable to laugh > at my dismay. :) > > I'm going to bed. > > Taylor > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 10 5: 2:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5798C37B405 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 05:02:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from corto.lpt.ens.fr (corto.lpt.ens.fr [129.199.122.2]) by nef.ens.fr (8.10.1/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id g4AC2SH50598 ; Fri, 10 May 2002 14:02:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from (rsidd@localhost) by corto.lpt.ens.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id OAA71762 ; Fri, 10 May 2002 14:02:22 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 14:02:22 +0200 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Taylor Dondich Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: My horror story Message-ID: <20020510140222.M57329@lpt.ens.fr> References: <000701c1f804$47d5dc00$6401a8c0@penguin> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <000701c1f804$47d5dc00$6401a8c0@penguin>; from thexder@lvcm.com on Fri, May 10, 2002 at 02:23:00AM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Taylor Dondich said on May 10, 2002 at 02:23:00: > It fought a good fight. Orion, I only had you for a short time. Your day > will come again. > > So it's time to rebuild a new server, and get more experience with > filesystems and fsck. Any tips you have would be extremely greatful. I've crashed/powered-off my system many times when playing with a USB audio driver. The first two times, the automatic fsck failed; I figured it was because I had IDE write-caching turned on (the default, but unsafe), so I turned it off (safe but slow, but I haven't noticed much difference.) Since then I've never had a problem. I think the conventional wisdom is that if you use sync mounts (default) + softupdates, and turn off IDE write-caching, your filesystem should always be in a consistent state. I'm no expert, I'm quoting from the tuning(7) manpage and elsewhere... - Rahul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 10 6:36:51 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ucan.foad.org (ucan.foad.org [64.173.36.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3C4D37B408 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 06:36:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pde@localhost) by ucan.foad.org (foad/FOAD2.0) id g4ADajx20337; Fri, 10 May 2002 06:36:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 06:36:45 -0700 From: Pete Ehlke To: Taylor Dondich Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: My horror story Message-ID: <20020510063645.A16371@ehlke.net> References: <000701c1f804$47d5dc00$6401a8c0@penguin> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <000701c1f804$47d5dc00$6401a8c0@penguin>; from thexder@lvcm.com on Fri, May 10, 2002 at 02:23:00AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, May 10, 2002 at 02:23:00AM -0700, Taylor Dondich wrote: > > It fought a good fight. Orion, I only had you for a short time. Your day > will come again. > > So it's time to rebuild a new server, and get more experience with > filesystems and fsck. Any tips you have would be extremely greatful. > I think the best tip here is: backups are your friend. Something seems to happen to people's understanding of this when they set up machines in their homes. People who are paranoid to a fault about backups at the office let their home systems run for years without backing them up. When the inevitable happens, as you found out, life without a tape drive is hell. Now, I understand that finding a way to back up your 200 Gb home MP3 collection can be painful, but if you have systems and data that are important to you, get that data backed up *somewhere*. -Pete To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 10 7:54: 8 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from patrocles.silby.com (d163.as5.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net [169.207.139.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1962237B409; Fri, 10 May 2002 07:54:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from patrocles.silby.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by patrocles.silby.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g4AEtGUm088593; Fri, 10 May 2002 09:55:16 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from silby@silby.com) Received: from localhost (silby@localhost) by patrocles.silby.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) with ESMTP id g4AEswDv088574; Fri, 10 May 2002 09:55:14 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: patrocles.silby.com: silby owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 09:54:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Mike Silbersack To: Kelly Yancey Cc: cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/usr.sbin/arp arp.c In-Reply-To: <20020509234632.H33964-100000@gateway.posi.net> Message-ID: <20020510095415.M88558-100000@patrocles.silby.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 9 May 2002, Kelly Yancey wrote: > Thanks, I'm afraid I have to admit to not testing this before running out > the door (obviously!). The pointy hat is well deserved and I'm wearing it > proudly on the streets of Tokyo. > > Kelly I think that we all need to see a picture of this. Please post one when you get back. Mike "Silby" Silbersack To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 10 7:54:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp3.knology.net (user-24-214-63-13.knology.net [24.214.63.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D315D37B407 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 07:54:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 20610 invoked by uid 8002); 10 May 2002 14:54:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO grumpy.dyndns.org) (24.214.210.89) by smtp3.knology.net with SMTP; 10 May 2002 14:54:32 -0000 Received: from grumpy.dyndns.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grumpy.dyndns.org (8.12.3/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g4AEsWbK005950; Fri, 10 May 2002 09:54:32 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dkelly@grumpy.dyndns.org) Received: (from dkelly@localhost) by grumpy.dyndns.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g4AEsW9K005949; Fri, 10 May 2002 09:54:32 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 09:54:32 -0500 From: David Kelly To: Taylor Dondich Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: My horror story Message-ID: <20020510095432.C5884@grumpy.dyndns.org> References: <000701c1f804$47d5dc00$6401a8c0@penguin> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <000701c1f804$47d5dc00$6401a8c0@penguin>; from thexder@lvcm.com on Fri, May 10, 2002 at 02:23:00AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, May 10, 2002 at 02:23:00AM -0700, Taylor Dondich wrote: > > The hard-drive took a serious hit. And the system was extremely old. It > held it's head high as it served internal DNS requests and pumped its arms > in fury as my web requests hit it as hard as it could. "Write caching" on the HD hardware contributes to that problem. > Also, I'm now looking into a Universal Power Supply solution. Is *Uninteruptable* Power Supply. > Something from APS, I feel. However, I don't know if the PowerChute > software they supply will work with FreeBSD. Anyone have any ideas or > comments? A UPS without being connected via "Power Chute" or similar is a 90% solution which would have saved your posterior in the situation you describe. There are utilities in ports for monitoring UPS health. I've never used one altho I have UPS's on most of my FreeBSD systems. And Macintosh. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 10 8:16: 7 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from cluster.nix.selu.edu (cluster.nix.selu.edu [147.174.59.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC04237B409 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 08:16:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from univac.cluster.nix.selu.edu (DerTeufel@ip68-11-128-14.br.no.cox.net [68.11.128.14]) by cluster.nix.selu.edu (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g4AFFxui034187 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 10:16:00 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jfried@cluster.nix.selu.edu) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020510101544.02d9b840@wheresmymailserver.com> X-Sender: X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 10:15:54 -0500 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org From: Jason Fried Subject: Spaming the FreeBSD mailing lists Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Some high school student somewhere must think it so funny, to add the FreeBSD mailing lists to other Stupid mailing lists out on the Internet. I thought Majordomo had settings to prevent that kind of abuse. oh well guess I need to just over-haul my procmail rule sets. -jason -- Jason Fried jfried@cluster.nix.selu.edu Cluster Administrator -- "Enough FreeBSD machines to make me happy!" Computer Science Department - - Southeastern Louisiana University To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 10 8:18:48 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [216.187.105.150]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C34237B404 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 08:18:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 554723F3F; Fri, 11 May 2001 07:21:21 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dan Langille" Organization: DVL Software Limited To: Jason Fried Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 11:18:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Spaming the FreeBSD mailing lists Reply-To: dan@langille.org Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.0.20020510101544.02d9b840@wheresmymailserver.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Message-Id: <20010511112121.554723F3F@bast.unixathome.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 10 May 2002 at 10:15, Jason Fried wrote: > Some high school student somewhere must think it so funny, to add the > FreeBSD mailing lists to other Stupid mailing lists out on the Internet. > > I thought Majordomo had settings to prevent that kind of abuse. Majordomo is used for the FreeBSD mailing lists. What other mailings lists do is beyond our control. -- Dan Langille The FreeBSD Diary - http://freebsddiary.org/ - practical examples To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 10 8:51:58 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from energyhq.homeip.net (213-97-200-73.uc.nombres.ttd.es [213.97.200.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1229237B407 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 08:51:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by energyhq.homeip.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 0232E3FCB7; Fri, 10 May 2002 17:51:31 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 17:51:31 +0200 From: Miguel Mendez To: Josef Grosch Cc: chat@freebsd.org, questions@bafug.org Subject: Re: What hardware do you use ? Message-ID: <20020510175131.A66230@energyhq.homeip.net> Mail-Followup-To: Josef Grosch , chat@freebsd.org, questions@bafug.org References: <20020510153118.GA23467@mooseriver.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="HcAYCG3uE/tztfnV" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020510153118.GA23467@mooseriver.com>; from jgrosch@mooseriver.com on Fri, May 10, 2002 at 08:31:18AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --HcAYCG3uE/tztfnV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, May 10, 2002 at 08:31:18AM -0700, Josef Grosch wrote: [moved to chat@] > This question came up at last night BAFUG meeting. What hardware do people > use and/or recommend? Specifically, if you were going to build a machine, > using commonly available parts and just to run a generic kernel, what > ethernet, video, motherboards, etc, would you use and/or recommend? You haven't specified if it's for a server or desktop, but here's my 0.02Euro: - Motherboards: don't be cheap here, get some quality brand, Asus, Iwill, Supermicro, A/Bit - CPU: I'd say go AMD, their products are top notch. - NIC: 3com or Intel. Avoid Realtek like the plague. - HD: I always use SCSI, but that's me. My personal choices are Quantum (Atlas) and Seagate (Barracuda and Cheetah) - Video: For a desktop I'd get Matrox or ATI (if you need 3d). Avoid NVidia at all costs, they suck :-) - Case: If you are making a server go for rackmount, else get something with good air flow, as AMD procs get really hot. - Mouse: Something people sometimes underestimate, a good mouse is pretty important if you use your computer many hours a day, my favourite is Logitec's Pilot, no wheel or fancy crap, but a very comfortable design. =20 Cheers, --=20 Miguel Mendez - flynn@energyhq.homeip.net GPG Public Key :: http://energyhq.homeip.net/files/pubkey.txt EnergyHQ :: http://www.energyhq.tk FreeBSD - The power to serve! --HcAYCG3uE/tztfnV Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE82+yDnLctrNyFFPERAm7XAKC1ZIeDBe6c/Qhbu932Icgb4pd7OgCgrzbw adDd0rsEB04e6BQU9dBoKBY= =35CR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --HcAYCG3uE/tztfnV-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 10 9:55: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9D0F37B401 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 09:55:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool0211.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.198.211] helo=mindspring.com) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 176Df1-0006QN-00; Fri, 10 May 2002 09:54:27 -0700 Message-ID: <3CDBFB24.6A831F6F@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 09:53:56 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pete Ehlke Cc: Taylor Dondich , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: My horror story References: <000701c1f804$47d5dc00$6401a8c0@penguin> <20020510063645.A16371@ehlke.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Pete Ehlke wrote: > On Fri, May 10, 2002 at 02:23:00AM -0700, Taylor Dondich wrote: > > It fought a good fight. Orion, I only had you for a short time. Your day > > will come again. > > > > So it's time to rebuild a new server, and get more experience with > > filesystems and fsck. Any tips you have would be extremely greatful. > > I think the best tip here is: backups are your friend. Something seems > to happen to people's understanding of this when they set up machines in > their homes. People who are paranoid to a fault about backups at the > office let their home systems run for years without backing them up. > When the inevitable happens, as you found out, life without a tape drive > is hell. 1) Backups are your friend 2) IDE write caching hates everyone 3) You local "Home Depot" sells little metal switch plates that have "flippy covers" that make it really hard to treat them as ordinary light switches, or turn things off accidently via the "leaving the room" reflex. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 10 10: 5: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [216.187.105.150]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9745837B409 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 10:04:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD1BE3F3F for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 09:07:36 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dan Langille" Organization: DVL Software Limited To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 13:04:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: My horror story Reply-To: dan@langille.org In-reply-to: <3CDBFB24.6A831F6F@mindspring.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Message-Id: <20010511130736.DD1BE3F3F@bast.unixathome.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 10 May 2002 at 9:53, Terry Lambert wrote: > 3) You local "Home Depot" sells little metal switch plates > that have "flippy covers" that make it really hard to > treat them as ordinary light switches, or turn things > off accidently via the "leaving the room" reflex. Home Depot is great place to browse. -- Dan Langille The FreeBSD Diary - http://freebsddiary.org/ - practical examples To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 10 10:16:24 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pilchuck.reedmedia.net (pilchuck.reedmedia.net [209.166.74.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 668ED37B400 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 10:16:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from reed by pilchuck.reedmedia.net with local-esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 176E05-0007FH-00; Fri, 10 May 2002 10:16:13 -0700 Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 10:16:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jeremy C. Reed" To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: application hosting? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Can anyone share some links, advice or experience with setting up an application hosting service? Do any application hosting providers just use samba? Or do they need to actually run Windows with terminal services and run the application locally? (I guess it would be slow to download to run some apps.) I am looking at http://www.insynq.com/support/faq as an example. I am wondering if there is a non-Windows alternative. (But for hosting Peachtree, Quickbooks, etc.) Thanks, Jeremy C. Reed http://bsd.reedmedia.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 10 10:28:26 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57FE937B401 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 10:28:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool0211.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.198.211] helo=mindspring.com) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 176EBl-0003i5-00; Fri, 10 May 2002 10:28:17 -0700 Message-ID: <3CDC0313.3249D6EA@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 10:27:47 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dan@langille.org Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: My horror story References: <20010511130736.DD1BE3F3F@bast.unixathome.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dan Langille wrote: > On 10 May 2002 at 9:53, Terry Lambert wrote: > > 3) You local "Home Depot" sells little metal switch plates > > that have "flippy covers" that make it really hard to > > treat them as ordinary light switches, or turn things > > off accidently via the "leaving the room" reflex. > > Home Depot is great place to browse. ...and occasionally "double-click". -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 10 10:31:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mired.org (dsl-64-192-6-133.telocity.com [64.192.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2177F37B401 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 10:31:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 81487 invoked by uid 100); 10 May 2002 17:31:37 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15580.1017.276905.556906@guru.mired.org> Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 12:31:37 -0500 To: Rahul Siddharthan Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: My horror story In-Reply-To: <20020510140222.M57329@lpt.ens.fr> References: <000701c1f804$47d5dc00$6401a8c0@penguin> <20020510140222.M57329@lpt.ens.fr> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ From: Mike Meyer X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.54 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In <20020510140222.M57329@lpt.ens.fr>, Rahul Siddharthan typed: > I think the conventional wisdom is that if you use sync mounts > (default) + softupdates, and turn off IDE write-caching, your > filesystem should always be in a consistent state. I'm no expert, I'm > quoting from the tuning(7) manpage and elsewhere... Three points of confusion here. One, the default mount is noasync, not sync. Two, softupdates is not orthogonal to the sync/noasync/async mount flag. It turns those off when you do the mount, so you really have four choices in that list: sync/softupdates/noasync/async. Finally, softupdates + write caching off will generally keep your directory tree in a consistent state, but that doesn't mean you can't lose data. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 10 10:40:46 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83E8437B403 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 10:40:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from corto.lpt.ens.fr (corto.lpt.ens.fr [129.199.122.2]) by nef.ens.fr (8.10.1/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id g4AHeNH98091 ; Fri, 10 May 2002 19:40:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from (rsidd@localhost) by corto.lpt.ens.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id TAA89518 ; Fri, 10 May 2002 19:40:23 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 19:40:22 +0200 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Mike Meyer Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: My horror story Message-ID: <20020510194022.D77057@lpt.ens.fr> References: <000701c1f804$47d5dc00$6401a8c0@penguin> <20020510140222.M57329@lpt.ens.fr> <15580.1017.276905.556906@guru.mired.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <15580.1017.276905.556906@guru.mired.org>; from mwm-dated-1021483897.a81af7@mired.org on Fri, May 10, 2002 at 12:31:37PM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Meyer said on May 10, 2002 at 12:31:37: > > Three points of confusion here. One, the default mount is noasync, not > sync. True, sorry. > Two, softupdates is not orthogonal to the sync/noasync/async > mount flag. It turns those off when you do the mount, If so, it's not documented in the tunefs(8), newfs(8) or mount(8) manpages. > sync/softupdates/noasync/async. Finally, softupdates + write caching > off will generally keep your directory tree in a consistent state, but > that doesn't mean you can't lose data. True, but you won't lose old data, only new data which haven't been written to disk (ie, maybe a few minutes old at most). - Rahul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 10 10:46: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp1.knology.net (user-24-214-63-226.knology.net [24.214.63.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5BEAF37B401 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 10:46:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 28948 invoked by uid 8002); 10 May 2002 17:45:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO grumpy.dyndns.org) (24.214.210.89) by smtp1.knology.net with SMTP; 10 May 2002 17:45:59 -0000 Received: from grumpy.dyndns.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grumpy.dyndns.org (8.12.3/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g4AHjxbK006384; Fri, 10 May 2002 12:45:59 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dkelly@grumpy.dyndns.org) Received: (from dkelly@localhost) by grumpy.dyndns.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g4AHjwAf006383; Fri, 10 May 2002 12:45:58 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 12:45:58 -0500 From: David Kelly To: Terry Lambert Cc: dan@langille.org, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: My horror story Message-ID: <20020510124558.A6360@grumpy.dyndns.org> References: <20010511130736.DD1BE3F3F@bast.unixathome.org> <3CDC0313.3249D6EA@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <3CDC0313.3249D6EA@mindspring.com>; from tlambert2@mindspring.com on Fri, May 10, 2002 at 10:27:47AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, May 10, 2002 at 10:27:47AM -0700, Terry Lambert wrote: > Dan Langille wrote: > > > > Home Depot is great place to browse. > > ...and occasionally "double-click". I prefer Lowes because their site doesn't require Javascript. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 10 11: 6:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mrami.homeunix.org (cvg-65-27-234-39.cinci.rr.com [65.27.234.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D987337B407 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 11:06:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mrami@localhost) by mrami.homeunix.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g4AI6Jf16401; Fri, 10 May 2002 14:06:19 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mrami@mrami.homeunix.org) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 14:06:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Marc Ramirez To: Pete Ehlke Cc: Taylor Dondich , Subject: Backing up my CDs [was Re: My horror story] In-Reply-To: <20020510063645.A16371@ehlke.net> Message-ID: <20020510140416.C16272-100000@mrami.homeunix.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 10 May 2002, Pete Ehlke wrote: > Now, I understand that finding a way to back up your 200 Gb home MP3 > collection can be painful, but if you have systems and data that are > important to you, get that data backed up *somewhere*. As someone who is archiving his CD collection, what do people use out there for backing up 200 gig of crap? Marc. -- I telnetted to whitehouse.gov, and all I got was this lousy .signature! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 10 11:13:15 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mired.org (dsl-64-192-6-133.telocity.com [64.192.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5A04437B407 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 11:13:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 82116 invoked by uid 100); 10 May 2002 18:13:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15580.3510.82702.122790@guru.mired.org> Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 13:13:10 -0500 To: Rahul Siddharthan Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: My horror story In-Reply-To: <20020510194022.D77057@lpt.ens.fr> References: <000701c1f804$47d5dc00$6401a8c0@penguin> <20020510140222.M57329@lpt.ens.fr> <15580.1017.276905.556906@guru.mired.org> <20020510194022.D77057@lpt.ens.fr> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ From: Mike Meyer X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.54 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In <20020510194022.D77057@lpt.ens.fr>, Rahul Siddharthan typed: > Mike Meyer said on May 10, 2002 at 12:31:37: > > Two, softupdates is not orthogonal to the sync/noasync/async > > mount flag. It turns those off when you do the mount, > If so, it's not documented in the tunefs(8), newfs(8) or mount(8) > manpages. True, and that needs to be fixed. Actually, in double-checking the source, I noticed I was only half right. Sync and async aren't opposites, but separate bits. Async is ignored when mounting a file system with softupdates set, but sync isn't. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 10 11:22:52 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pogo.caustic.org (caustic.org [64.163.147.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1705E37B412 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 11:22:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jan@localhost) by pogo.caustic.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g4AIMNS69985; Fri, 10 May 2002 11:22:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jan@caustic.org) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 11:22:23 -0700 (PDT) From: "f.johan.beisser" To: Marc Ramirez Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Backing up my CDs [was Re: My horror story] In-Reply-To: <20020510140416.C16272-100000@mrami.homeunix.org> Message-ID: <20020510111431.S40234-100000@pogo.caustic.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 10 May 2002, Marc Ramirez wrote: > As someone who is archiving his CD collection, what do people use out > there for backing up 200 gig of crap? the problem is that home storage has far outstripped the ability of home backup systems. while you can buy a hard drive that can store 60gb for about USD$120 these days, getting a tape drive system that can do the same per tape will set you back around USD$2,000, not counting the cost of the tapes. anyhow, take a look at http://www.backupcentral.com/toc-hardware.html for a good list of back systems, and their cost. the other thing to remember is that backups are very time consuming, and very tedious to do often, or well. there's a fairly large thread on this back a couple months ago. -------/ f. johan beisser /--------------------------------------+ http://caustic.org/~jan jan@caustic.org "John Ashcroft is really just the reanimated corpse of J. Edgar Hoover." -- Tim Triche To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 10 11:28:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BF9837B406 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 11:28:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from corto.lpt.ens.fr (corto.lpt.ens.fr [129.199.122.2]) by nef.ens.fr (8.10.1/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id g4AIRcH04292 ; Fri, 10 May 2002 20:27:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from (rsidd@localhost) by corto.lpt.ens.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id UAA91544 ; Fri, 10 May 2002 20:27:33 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 20:27:33 +0200 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: "f.johan.beisser" Cc: Marc Ramirez , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Backing up my CDs [was Re: My horror story] Message-ID: <20020510202733.A89576@lpt.ens.fr> References: <20020510140416.C16272-100000@mrami.homeunix.org> <20020510111431.S40234-100000@pogo.caustic.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020510111431.S40234-100000@pogo.caustic.org>; from jan@caustic.org on Fri, May 10, 2002 at 11:22:23AM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org f.johan.beisser said on May 10, 2002 at 11:22:23: > On Fri, 10 May 2002, Marc Ramirez wrote: > > > As someone who is archiving his CD collection, what do people use out > > there for backing up 200 gig of crap? > > the problem is that home storage has far outstripped the ability of home > backup systems. while you can buy a hard drive that can store 60gb for > about USD$120 these days, getting a tape drive system that can do the same > per tape will set you back around USD$2,000, not counting the cost of the > tapes. So how about buying two or more hard drives and striping/mirroring them, eg vinum? - Rahul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 10 11:36:48 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from proxy.centtech.com (moat.centtech.com [206.196.95.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52ABE37B404 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 11:36:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sprint.centtech.com (sprint.centtech.com [10.177.173.31]) by proxy.centtech.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g4AIagK22785; Fri, 10 May 2002 13:36:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from centtech.com (proton [10.177.173.77]) by sprint.centtech.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g4AIaf719644; Fri, 10 May 2002 13:36:41 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3CDC1339.AF6DE0B7@centtech.com> Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 13:36:41 -0500 From: Eric Anderson Reply-To: anderson@centtech.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rahul Siddharthan Cc: "f.johan.beisser" , Marc Ramirez , chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Backing up my CDs [was Re: My horror story] References: <20020510140416.C16272-100000@mrami.homeunix.org> <20020510111431.S40234-100000@pogo.caustic.org> <20020510202733.A89576@lpt.ens.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > > the problem is that home storage has far outstripped the ability of home > > backup systems. while you can buy a hard drive that can store 60gb for > > about USD$120 these days, getting a tape drive system that can do the same > > per tape will set you back around USD$2,000, not counting the cost of the > > tapes. > > So how about buying two or more hard drives and striping/mirroring > them, eg vinum? Striping will only lessen your redundancy, but mirroring will help.. Many new motherboards have built in IDE RAID (level 0,1) now, and they work very well. Usually, I slap another drive in, and have tar's (compressed) run via cron. Eric -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Systems Administrator Centaur Technology You have my continuous partial attention ------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 10 11:58:22 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3B1A37B409 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 11:58:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id g4AIvmw30262; Fri, 10 May 2002 11:57:48 -0700 Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 11:57:48 -0700 From: Brooks Davis To: "f.johan.beisser" Cc: Marc Ramirez , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Backing up my CDs [was Re: My horror story] Message-ID: <20020510115748.A18296@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: <20020510140416.C16272-100000@mrami.homeunix.org> <20020510111431.S40234-100000@pogo.caustic.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="2oS5YaxWCcQjTEyO" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020510111431.S40234-100000@pogo.caustic.org>; from jan@caustic.org on Fri, May 10, 2002 at 11:22:23AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --2oS5YaxWCcQjTEyO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, May 10, 2002 at 11:22:23AM -0700, f.johan.beisser wrote: > the other thing to remember is that backups are very time consuming, and > very tedious to do often, or well. Simply spending an hour or two setting up a decient piece of backup software like amanda[0] make this statement rather inaccurate. I do backups every weekday night on my home office network with a bit more then two weeks per cycle. The total work required is to turn around in my chair once each morning and move a tape. My disks are currently small enough that I can use DDS3 tapes, but I expect I'll have to move to VXA or similar in a few years. -- Brooks [0] Most people seem to think amanda is the massivly complicated backup system that is only useful for dozens of machines, but it's actually quite easy to set up. The server takes a little time to set up, but the clients require installing one small port, creating a single file on the host (there might be a way around that), and adding lines for each disk to the server's config file. I recommend amanda on any network with more then one machine on it. --=20 Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. PGP fingerprint 655D 519C 26A7 82E7 2529 9BF0 5D8E 8BE9 F238 1AD4 --2oS5YaxWCcQjTEyO Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE83BgrXY6L6fI4GtQRAo7lAJ4jB+LjLuusb6RafH5zDlyLpHYblACgjMO0 a1pDpcNO+KolH28vP6T2oLw= =v8xT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --2oS5YaxWCcQjTEyO-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 10 13: 2:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pogo.caustic.org (caustic.org [64.163.147.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF93A37B405 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 13:02:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jan@localhost) by pogo.caustic.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g4AK21370487; Fri, 10 May 2002 13:02:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jan@caustic.org) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 13:02:01 -0700 (PDT) From: "f.johan.beisser" To: Brooks Davis Cc: Marc Ramirez , Subject: Re: Backing up my CDs [was Re: My horror story] In-Reply-To: <20020510115748.A18296@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> Message-ID: <20020510122920.G40234-100000@pogo.caustic.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 10 May 2002, Brooks Davis wrote: > Simply spending an hour or two setting up a decient piece of backup > software like amanda[0] make this statement rather inaccurate. I do > backups every weekday night on my home office network with a bit more > then two weeks per cycle. The total work required is to turn around > in my chair once each morning and move a tape. My disks are currently > small enough that I can use DDS3 tapes, but I expect I'll have to move > to VXA or similar in a few years. i can't refute the arguement there. yes, it's "just a matter of turning around and changing tapes" for some installations. most home users don't need something as heavy duty as amanda, since they're more likely to have a single machine they need backed up.. no, you, and i, are not "most home users". the average home users machine still has the ability of storing more data than can be backed up easily (assuming a level 0 backup for the first tape..) by any tape device. when you're talking about 200gigs of mp3s, though, you're really going to need to look at another backup system for just those mp3s. something not on tape, just highly reliable. some folk have discussed in the past of using hard drives (either mirrored, or in a RAID). check the archives for some details on what people here on -chat do. > [0] Most people seem to think amanda is the massivly complicated backup > system that is only useful for dozens of machines, but it's actually > quite easy to set up. The server takes a little time to set up, but > the clients require installing one small port, creating a single file on > the host (there might be a way around that), and adding lines for each > disk to the server's config file. I recommend amanda on any network > with more then one machine on it. once the server is configured, clients just kind of fall in to place. the article on amanda at backup central[0] (a chapter from O'Reilly's Unix Backup and Recovery[1]) is *very* helpful in the setup. very clear, very simple, and good. Another good resource is an article from SAMags Backup Issue, which is also available online[2]. i happen to like amanda, overall. [0] http://www.backupcentral.com/amanda.html [1] http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/unixbr/ [2] http://www.samag.com/documents/s=7033/sam0204a/sam0204a.htm -------/ f. johan beisser /--------------------------------------+ http://caustic.org/~jan jan@caustic.org "John Ashcroft is really just the reanimated corpse of J. Edgar Hoover." -- Tim Triche To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 10 13: 7:14 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pogo.caustic.org (caustic.org [64.163.147.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B74837B405 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 13:07:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jan@localhost) by pogo.caustic.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g4AK75v70513; Fri, 10 May 2002 13:07:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jan@caustic.org) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 13:07:05 -0700 (PDT) From: "f.johan.beisser" To: Eric Anderson Cc: Rahul Siddharthan , Marc Ramirez , Subject: Re: Backing up my CDs [was Re: My horror story] In-Reply-To: <3CDC1339.AF6DE0B7@centtech.com> Message-ID: <20020510130236.I40234-100000@pogo.caustic.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 10 May 2002, Eric Anderson wrote: > > So how about buying two or more hard drives and striping/mirroring > > them, eg vinum? > > Striping will only lessen your redundancy, but mirroring will help.. > Many new motherboards have built in IDE RAID (level 0,1) now, and they > work very well. Usually, I slap another drive in, and have tar's > (compressed) run via cron. that's not a bad solution, untill you have to deal with moving it between hardware. the mirrored RAID solution works, and works well, so long as each drive doesn't know it's a mirror, and you can remove it and use it somewhere else to recover data from. -------/ f. johan beisser /--------------------------------------+ http://caustic.org/~jan jan@caustic.org "John Ashcroft is really just the reanimated corpse of J. Edgar Hoover." -- Tim Triche To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 10 13:38:24 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5969437B407 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 13:38:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool0166.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.192.166] helo=mindspring.com) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 176H9U-0007fV-00; Fri, 10 May 2002 13:38:09 -0700 Message-ID: <3CDC2F91.B5818522@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 13:37:37 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marc Ramirez Cc: Pete Ehlke , Taylor Dondich , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Backing up my CDs [was Re: My horror story] References: <20020510140416.C16272-100000@mrami.homeunix.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Marc Ramirez wrote: > On Fri, 10 May 2002, Pete Ehlke wrote: > > Now, I understand that finding a way to back up your 200 Gb home MP3 > > collection can be painful, but if you have systems and data that are > > important to you, get that data backed up *somewhere*. > > As someone who is archiving his CD collection, what do people use out > there for backing up 200 gig of crap? 180G IDE disks? Optical tape? ;^). -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 10 13:42:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from wopr.caltech.edu (wopr.caltech.edu [131.215.103.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEBF837B401 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 13:42:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mph@localhost) by wopr.caltech.edu (8.11.6/8.9.3) id g4AKgFP13155; Fri, 10 May 2002 13:42:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mph) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 13:42:15 -0700 From: Matthew Hunt To: Marc Ramirez Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Backing up my CDs [was Re: My horror story] Message-ID: <20020510134215.A12966@wopr.caltech.edu> References: <20020510063645.A16371@ehlke.net> <20020510140416.C16272-100000@mrami.homeunix.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020510140416.C16272-100000@mrami.homeunix.org>; from mrami@mrami.homeunix.org on Fri, May 10, 2002 at 02:06:19PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, May 10, 2002 at 02:06:19PM -0400, Marc Ramirez wrote: > As someone who is archiving his CD collection, what do people use out > there for backing up 200 gig of crap? Your original CDs? -- Matthew Hunt * Inertia is a property http://www.pobox.com/~mph/ * of matter. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 10 13:44:47 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6444937B400 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 13:44:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool0166.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.192.166] helo=mindspring.com) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 176HFZ-0000Vb-00; Fri, 10 May 2002 13:44:25 -0700 Message-ID: <3CDC310A.69AEF2D1@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 13:43:54 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rahul Siddharthan Cc: "f.johan.beisser" , Marc Ramirez , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Backing up my CDs [was Re: My horror story] References: <20020510140416.C16272-100000@mrami.homeunix.org> <20020510111431.S40234-100000@pogo.caustic.org> <20020510202733.A89576@lpt.ens.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > So how about buying two or more hard drives and striping/mirroring > them, eg vinum? Can you plug in an off site fire safe? -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 10 14:31:55 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from threespace.com (server44.aitcom.net [208.234.0.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DAE137B401 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 14:31:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vwinxp.threespace.com (ip68-11-176-217.br.no.cox.net [68.11.176.217]) by threespace.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA14148 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 17:31:49 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020510161233.01a10d38@threespace.com> X-Sender: tech@threespace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 16:13:36 -0500 To: FreeBSD Chat From: Chip Morton Subject: Re: My horror story In-Reply-To: <20020510120055.9244F2744@tesla.foo.is> References: <000701c1f804$47d5dc00$6401a8c0@penguin> <000701c1f804$47d5dc00$6401a8c0@penguin> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 07:00 AM 5/10/2002, Baldur Gislason wrote: >What happened in my server wasn't a power outage, the processor fan died, >processor overheated and machine started spontaniously rebooting, and when it >rebooted for one time when I was editing something in vi, I got so pissed off >that I kicked the machine, thus taking out the hard drive. The / and /var >drive survived though and my named zones were intact (lucky me) but no more >/usr Dude, you don't need a UPS; you need anger management classes. ;-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 10 14:31:56 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from threespace.com (server44.aitcom.net [208.234.0.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FECF37B404 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 14:31:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vwinxp.threespace.com (ip68-11-176-217.br.no.cox.net [68.11.176.217]) by threespace.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA14151 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 17:31:50 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020510162257.01a40008@threespace.com> X-Sender: tech@threespace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 16:24:46 -0500 To: FreeBSD Chat From: Chip Morton Subject: Re: Backing up my CDs [was Re: My horror story] In-Reply-To: <20020510130236.I40234-100000@pogo.caustic.org> References: <3CDC1339.AF6DE0B7@centtech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 03:07 PM 5/10/2002, f.johan.beisser wrote: >On Fri, 10 May 2002, Eric Anderson wrote: > > Usually, I slap another drive in, and have tar's > > (compressed) run via cron. > >that's not a bad solution, untill you have to deal with moving it between >hardware. For an extra hundred dollars, you can even get some external/USB 2.0/IEEE-1394 hard drives with decent capacities. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 10 14:32:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from threespace.com (server44.aitcom.net [208.234.0.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D1A637B406 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 14:31:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vwinxp.threespace.com (ip68-11-176-217.br.no.cox.net [68.11.176.217]) by threespace.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA14156 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 17:31:51 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020510162454.01a4b828@threespace.com> X-Sender: tech@threespace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 16:31:05 -0500 To: FreeBSD Chat From: Chip Morton Subject: Re: Backing up my CDs [was Re: My horror story] In-Reply-To: <20020510111431.S40234-100000@pogo.caustic.org> References: <20020510140416.C16272-100000@mrami.homeunix.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 01:22 PM 5/10/2002, f.johan.beisser wrote: >On Fri, 10 May 2002, Marc Ramirez wrote: > > > As someone who is archiving his CD collection, what do people use out > > there for backing up 200 gig of crap? > >the problem is that home storage has far outstripped the ability of home >backup systems. while you can buy a hard drive that can store 60gb for >about USD$120 these days, getting a tape drive system that can do the same >per tape will set you back around USD$2,000, not counting the cost of the >tapes. I want to use CDs to back up some partitions and large files (more than 1 GB). Is there any good way to split these large files into 650 MB chunks for burning to CD-Rs? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 10 15: 8:52 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pogo.caustic.org (caustic.org [64.163.147.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B62937B404 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 15:08:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jan@localhost) by pogo.caustic.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g4AM8kH70948; Fri, 10 May 2002 15:08:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jan@caustic.org) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 15:08:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "f.johan.beisser" To: Chip Morton Cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Backing up my CDs [was Re: My horror story] In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020510162257.01a40008@threespace.com> Message-ID: <20020510150347.K40234-100000@pogo.caustic.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 10 May 2002, Chip Morton wrote: > >that's not a bad solution, untill you have to deal with moving it between > >hardware. > > For an extra hundred dollars, you can even get some external/USB > 2.0/IEEE-1394 hard drives with decent capacities. under USB 2.0 that'd work, but you still have the problems of moving it between machines and architectures, i think. does FreeBSD already support USB 2.0? -------/ f. johan beisser /--------------------------------------+ http://caustic.org/~jan jan@caustic.org "John Ashcroft is really just the reanimated corpse of J. Edgar Hoover." -- Tim Triche To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 10 15:13:48 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pogo.caustic.org (caustic.org [64.163.147.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40E0637B401 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 15:13:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jan@localhost) by pogo.caustic.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g4AMDiQ70973; Fri, 10 May 2002 15:13:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jan@caustic.org) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 15:13:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "f.johan.beisser" To: Chip Morton Cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Backing up my CDs [was Re: My horror story] In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020510162454.01a4b828@threespace.com> Message-ID: <20020510151003.T40234-100000@pogo.caustic.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 10 May 2002, Chip Morton wrote: > I want to use CDs to back up some partitions and large files (more than 1 > GB). Is there any good way to split these large files into 650 MB chunks > for burning to CD-Rs? Port: bitbox-0.3.0 Path: /usr/ports/archivers/bitbox Info: BitBox is a file splitter/joiner utility Maint: ijliao@FreeBSD.org Index: archivers B-deps: libgnugetopt-1.1 R-deps: libgnugetopt-1.1 mmmmmm ports. haven't used it, so i don't know how decent it is. -------/ f. johan beisser /--------------------------------------+ http://caustic.org/~jan jan@caustic.org "John Ashcroft is really just the reanimated corpse of J. Edgar Hoover." -- Tim Triche To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 10 15:14:26 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62EFB37B406 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 15:14:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool0471.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.199.216] helo=mindspring.com) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 176IeO-0006CF-00; Fri, 10 May 2002 15:14:09 -0700 Message-ID: <3CDC4611.DD2FA219@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 15:13:37 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "f.johan.beisser" Cc: Chip Morton , FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Backing up my CDs [was Re: My horror story] References: <20020510150347.K40234-100000@pogo.caustic.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "f.johan.beisser" wrote: > On Fri, 10 May 2002, Chip Morton wrote: > > >that's not a bad solution, untill you have to deal with moving it between > > >hardware. > > > > For an extra hundred dollars, you can even get some external/USB > > 2.0/IEEE-1394 hard drives with decent capacities. > > under USB 2.0 that'd work, but you still have the problems of moving it > between machines and architectures, i think. It really, really sucks that FreeBSD doesn't have an architecturally (read "byte/word order") neutral local media FS that is not read-only, like NetBSD does. I hate having to go to ISO 9660 or MSDOS format -- both of which lose UNIX semantics -- for common media. > does FreeBSD already support USB 2.0? Dunno. Probably -current does. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 10 15:21:51 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pogo.caustic.org (caustic.org [64.163.147.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1848C37B403 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 15:21:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jan@localhost) by pogo.caustic.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g4AMLiT71017; Fri, 10 May 2002 15:21:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jan@caustic.org) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 15:21:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "f.johan.beisser" To: Terry Lambert Cc: Chip Morton , FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Backing up my CDs [was Re: My horror story] In-Reply-To: <3CDC4611.DD2FA219@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <20020510151516.J40234-100000@pogo.caustic.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 10 May 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: > "f.johan.beisser" wrote: > > > under USB 2.0 that'd work, but you still have the problems of moving it > > between machines and architectures, i think. > > It really, really sucks that FreeBSD doesn't have an architecturally > (read "byte/word order") neutral local media FS that is not read-only, > like NetBSD does. haven't seen that. can you throw a reference over to me about it? > I hate having to go to ISO 9660 or MSDOS format -- both of which lose > UNIX semantics -- for common media. heh. this isn't always a problem. i tend to use FAT32 for some storage needs - specifically filesystems that need to be used by many different installations (for example, windows on a dual boot machine). what i wonder about is how i can keep file attributes (either NT style MAC/ACLs or UNIX style permissions) between booted OSs, or on transferable media.. > > does FreeBSD already support USB 2.0? > > Dunno. Probably -current does. not as far as i've been able to tell, sadly. i've got -current on a fairly modern laptop (toshiba satellite pro 4600), cranking away.. but, untill i have a machine who's hardware is supporting USB2.0, i guess i won't know. -------/ f. johan beisser /--------------------------------------+ http://caustic.org/~jan jan@caustic.org "John Ashcroft is really just the reanimated corpse of J. Edgar Hoover." -- Tim Triche To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 10 15:41:43 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5E9F37B415 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 15:40:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id g4AMeT632013; Fri, 10 May 2002 15:40:29 -0700 Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 15:40:29 -0700 From: Brooks Davis To: Terry Lambert Cc: "f.johan.beisser" , Chip Morton , FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Backing up my CDs [was Re: My horror story] Message-ID: <20020510154029.A29446@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: <20020510150347.K40234-100000@pogo.caustic.org> <3CDC4611.DD2FA219@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="nFreZHaLTZJo0R7j" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <3CDC4611.DD2FA219@mindspring.com>; from tlambert2@mindspring.com on Fri, May 10, 2002 at 03:13:37PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --nFreZHaLTZJo0R7j Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, May 10, 2002 at 03:13:37PM -0700, Terry Lambert wrote: > "f.johan.beisser" wrote: > > On Fri, 10 May 2002, Chip Morton wrote: > > > >that's not a bad solution, untill you have to deal with moving it be= tween > > > >hardware. > > > > > > For an extra hundred dollars, you can even get some external/USB > > > 2.0/IEEE-1394 hard drives with decent capacities. > >=20 > > under USB 2.0 that'd work, but you still have the problems of moving it > > between machines and architectures, i think. >=20 > It really, really sucks that FreeBSD doesn't have an architecturally > (read "byte/word order") neutral local media FS that is not read-only, > like NetBSD does. phk has talked about creating a ufs2.5 driver which would be ufs2 + byte order magic. That would definatly be nice. GEOM is also apparently supposed to be able to handle disk labels and partition tables. > > does FreeBSD already support USB 2.0? >=20 > Dunno. Probably -current does. No, but that's a major goal of the current sync with NetBSD. It's currently a race between our new firewire comitter and Joe's USB work. Fortunatly, many driver enclosures support both. -- Brooks --=20 Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. PGP fingerprint 655D 519C 26A7 82E7 2529 9BF0 5D8E 8BE9 F238 1AD4 --nFreZHaLTZJo0R7j Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE83ExcXY6L6fI4GtQRAjaZAKDR1749ttInJ27ChzBM15moZLTmYwCfUaji 2yw/aoetKvhQRp6W7nz1Dd4= =3KJU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nFreZHaLTZJo0R7j-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 10 16: 4:15 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B190037B400 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 16:04:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dialup-209.247.140.188.dial1.sanjose1.level3.net ([209.247.140.188] helo=mindspring.com) by goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 176JQm-00010M-00; Fri, 10 May 2002 16:04:08 -0700 Message-ID: <3CDC51C7.E465EAB4@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 16:03:35 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "f.johan.beisser" Cc: Chip Morton , FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Backing up my CDs [was Re: My horror story] References: <20020510151516.J40234-100000@pogo.caustic.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "f.johan.beisser" wrote: > > It really, really sucks that FreeBSD doesn't have an architecturally > > (read "byte/word order") neutral local media FS that is not read-only, > > like NetBSD does. > > haven't seen that. can you throw a reference over to me about it? Their FFS "does the right thing" based on the endienness of the "magic number". It was more a grumble than anything else. If you are going to be concerned about portabiltiy of disk images, then be concerned. > > I hate having to go to ISO 9660 or MSDOS format -- both of which lose > > UNIX semantics -- for common media. > > heh. this isn't always a problem. i tend to use FAT32 for some storage > needs - specifically filesystems that need to be used by many different > installations (for example, windows on a dual boot machine). what i wonder > about is how i can keep file attributes (either NT style MAC/ACLs or UNIX > style permissions) between booted OSs, or on transferable media.. I tend towards tgz balls on FAT32; it saves the semantics, and the disk space, but is a pain to decode and reencode (requires local storage on top of everything else). -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 10 17:30:54 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.inka.de (quechua.inka.de [212.227.14.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A01E37B409 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 17:30:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (uucp@) by mail.inka.de with local-bsmtp id 176KmP-000539-00; Sat, 11 May 2002 02:30:33 +0200 Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.12.3/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g4ANhhtm012679 for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 01:43:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mailnull@localhost.mips.inka.de) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g4ANhhYc012678 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sat, 11 May 2002 01:43:43 +0200 (CEST) From: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) Subject: Re: Backing up my CDs [was Re: My horror story] Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 23:43:42 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <20020510140416.C16272-100000@mrami.homeunix.org> <20020510111431.S40234-100000@pogo.caustic.org> <20020510202733.A89576@lpt.ens.fr> Originator: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > So how about buying two or more hard drives and mirroring > them, eg vinum? Might not have helped in the case that triggered this thread. Won't help in case of an accidental rm(1). Won't help when an electrical problem kills all drives in the same box. Unlikely? Maybe, but it has happened twice to me, so far. If you can't take the medium out, it ain't a backup. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 10 17:35: 8 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [216.187.105.150]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82DAD37B404 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 17:35:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE3073F3F for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 16:37:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dan Langille" Organization: DVL Software Limited To: FreeBSD Chat List Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 20:34:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Backing up my CDs [was Re: My horror story] Reply-To: dan@langille.org In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Message-Id: <20010511203741.EE3073F3F@bast.unixathome.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 10 May 2002 at 23:43, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > If you can't take the medium out, it ain't a backup. And, if you can't drop it off at your friend's house who lives 40km away, it's not worth doing the backup... -- Dan Langille The FreeBSD Diary - http://freebsddiary.org/ - practical examples To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 10 18:40:42 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [216.187.105.150]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8487737B403 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 18:40:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D5F83F3F for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 17:43:17 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dan Langille" Organization: DVL Software Limited To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 21:40:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: GO SENS GO! Reply-To: dan@langille.org X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Message-Id: <20010511214317.3D5F83F3F@bast.unixathome.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org repeat.... -- Dan Langille The FreeBSD Diary - http://freebsddiary.org/ - practical examples To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 10 23:53:59 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from server2.highperformance.net (ip30.gte4.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [209.20.215.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EB1A37B405 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 23:53:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server2.highperformance.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g4B6rQxm030146 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 23:53:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcwells@highperformance.net) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 23:53:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-X-Sender: jcw@server2.highperformance.net To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: My horror story In-Reply-To: <3CDC0313.3249D6EA@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <20020510235212.U30115-100000@server2.highperformance.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 10 May 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: > Dan Langille wrote: > > Home Depot is great place to browse. > > ...and occasionally "double-click". Terry is hot with the one liners. I think read three so far tonight. Later, Jason To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat May 11 0: 3:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from server2.highperformance.net (ip30.gte4.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [209.20.215.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 011F337B403 for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 00:03:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server2.highperformance.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g4B72Vxm030165 for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 00:02:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcwells@highperformance.net) Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 00:02:31 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-X-Sender: jcw@server2.highperformance.net To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: YA fortune In-Reply-To: <20020510112712.C57329@lpt.ens.fr> Message-ID: <20020510235637.B30115-100000@server2.highperformance.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 10 May 2002, Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > Jason C. Wells said on May 9, 2002 at 21:52:19: > > > > I never even considered that there would be a problem. FreeBSD upgrades > > all sorts of stuff all the time and its nevera problem. > > Well, true for the base system. Most people also need ports, and > those can be a problem. The one that bit me, and many other people, Ah. Yes, I do recall back in my x-windowing days that gnome and both kde were problematic that way. KDE wanted one, gnome wanted a different one, and fvwm2 wanted something else. I don't use X anymore, so I am removed from the issue. Later, Jason To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat May 11 0:30:46 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3630037B40B for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 00:30:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool0211.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.198.211] helo=mindspring.com) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 176RKT-0003X0-00; Sat, 11 May 2002 00:30:09 -0700 Message-ID: <3CDCC862.15D1645@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 00:29:38 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jason C. Wells" Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: My horror story References: <20020510235212.U30115-100000@server2.highperformance.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Jason C. Wells" wrote: > On Fri, 10 May 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: > > Dan Langille wrote: > > > Home Depot is great place to browse. > > > > ...and occasionally "double-click". > > Terry is hot with the one liners. I think read three so far > tonight. If I had a cat around, it would probably look at me funny ...but since I don't, I have to settle for strange looks from marketing. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat May 11 14:28:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.uninterruptible.net (ns1.uninterruptible.net [216.7.46.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1161537B406 for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 14:28:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Spaz.Catonic.NET (tnt6-216-180-4-171.dialup.HiWAAY.net [216.180.4.171]) by mail.uninterruptible.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5129B50024; Sat, 11 May 2002 21:26:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: by Spaz.Catonic.NET (Postfix, from userid 1002) id D89A43223; Sat, 11 May 2002 21:24:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Spaz.Catonic.NET (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABE9B4C51; Sat, 11 May 2002 21:24:53 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 21:24:53 +0000 (GMT) From: Kris Kirby To: Terry Lambert Cc: Pete Ehlke , Taylor Dondich , Subject: Re: My horror story In-Reply-To: <3CDBFB24.6A831F6F@mindspring.com> Message-ID: X-Tech-Support-Email: bofh@catonic.net Organization: Non Illegitemus Carborundum Inc. X-Disclaimer: My opinions are not those of my employer(s). X-Driving-The-Information-Superhighway-Joke: Asleep at the wheel. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 10 May 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: > 3) You local "Home Depot" sells little metal switch plates > that have "flippy covers" that make it really hard to > treat them as ordinary light switches, or turn things > off accidently via the "leaving the room" reflex. *Real* computers are wired right into the box and run 24/7. :) -- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR | TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. | IM: KrisBSD | HSV, AL. ------------------------------------------------------- "Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat May 11 15:57:16 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.uninterruptible.net (ns1.uninterruptible.net [216.7.46.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9476737B404 for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 15:57:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Spaz.Catonic.NET (tnt6-216-180-4-171.dialup.HiWAAY.net [216.180.4.171]) by mail.uninterruptible.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 985D650055; Sat, 11 May 2002 22:55:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: by Spaz.Catonic.NET (Postfix, from userid 1002) id B2EA93223; Sat, 11 May 2002 22:54:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Spaz.Catonic.NET (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88AE74C51; Sat, 11 May 2002 22:54:26 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 22:54:26 +0000 (GMT) From: Kris Kirby To: Chip Morton Cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: My horror story In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020510161233.01a10d38@threespace.com> Message-ID: X-Tech-Support-Email: bofh@catonic.net Organization: Non Illegitemus Carborundum Inc. X-Disclaimer: My opinions are not those of my employer(s). X-Driving-The-Information-Superhighway-Joke: Asleep at the wheel. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 10 May 2002, Chip Morton wrote: > Dude, you don't need a UPS; you need anger management classes. ;-) Naw, just disposable hard drives. :) -- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR | TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. | IM: KrisBSD | HSV, AL. ------------------------------------------------------- "Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat May 11 19:28: 0 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from rambo.simx.org (rambo.simx.org [194.17.208.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD9F037B406 for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 19:27:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rambo.simx.org (rocky [192.168.0.2]) by rambo.simx.org (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g4C2Rra6042626; Sun, 12 May 2002 04:27:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from listsub@rambo.simx.org) Message-ID: <3CDDD35B.60400@rambo.simx.org> Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 04:28:43 +0200 From: "Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020314 Netscape6/6.2.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chip Morton Cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Backing up my CDs [was Re: My horror story] References: <20020510140416.C16272-100000@mrami.homeunix.org> <4.3.2.7.2.20020510162454.01a4b828@threespace.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Chip Morton wrote: > > I want to use CDs to back up some partitions and large files (more than > 1 GB). Is there any good way to split these large files into 650 MB > chunks for burning to CD-Rs? > Believe it or not, the command you want is simply 'split'. man split for further information. -- R To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat May 11 19:39:34 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp1.knology.net (user-24-214-63-226.knology.net [24.214.63.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DC94937B405 for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 19:39:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 31531 invoked by uid 8002); 12 May 2002 02:39:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO grumpy.dyndns.org) (24.214.210.89) by smtp1.knology.net with SMTP; 12 May 2002 02:39:31 -0000 Received: from grumpy.dyndns.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grumpy.dyndns.org (8.12.3/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g4C2dUbK021786; Sat, 11 May 2002 21:39:30 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dkelly@grumpy.dyndns.org) Message-Id: <200205120239.g4C2dUbK021786@grumpy.dyndns.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Terry Lambert Cc: "Jason C. Wells" , chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: David Kelly Subject: Re: My horror story In-reply-to: Message from Terry Lambert of "Sat, 11 May 2002 00:29:38 PDT." <3CDCC862.15D1645@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 21:39:30 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Terry Lambert writes: > > If I had a cat around, it would probably look at me funny ...but > since I don't, I have to settle for strange looks from marketing. Cat sitting on a FreeBSD shirt: http://home.hiwaay.net/~dkelly/dirtbike/me_and_grumpy.jpg (I took the picture with my left hand) -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat May 11 19:45:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from out018.verizon.net (out018pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.96]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21A1C37B405 for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 19:45:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gte.net ([4.34.145.186]) by out018.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20020512024525.GHBZ7921.out018.verizon.net@gte.net>; Sat, 11 May 2002 21:45:25 -0500 Received: (from res03db2@localhost) by gte.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA55579; Sat, 11 May 2002 19:47:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from res03db2@gte.net) Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 19:47:34 -0700 From: Robert Clark To: Kris Kirby Cc: Chip Morton , FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: My horror story Message-ID: <20020511194734.U41726@darkstar.gte.net> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020510161233.01a10d38@threespace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: ; from kris@catonic.net on Sat, May 11, 2002 at 10:54:26PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doesn't the D in IDE stand for Disposable? [RC] On Sat, May 11, 2002 at 10:54:26PM +0000, Kris Kirby wrote: > On Fri, 10 May 2002, Chip Morton wrote: > > Dude, you don't need a UPS; you need anger management classes. ;-) > > Naw, just disposable hard drives. :) > > -- > Kris Kirby, KE4AHR | TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. > | IM: KrisBSD | HSV, AL. > ------------------------------------------------------- > "Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony." > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat May 11 21:12:51 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from trot.galis.org (ool-18bdd4e6.dyn.optonline.net [24.189.212.230]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47EE337B403 for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 21:12:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gx@localhost) by trot.galis.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g4C4DIN16196; Sun, 12 May 2002 00:13:18 -0400 Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 00:13:17 -0400 From: George Georgalis To: Marc Ramirez Cc: Pete Ehlke , Taylor Dondich , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Backing up my CDs [was Re: My horror story] Message-ID: <20020512001317.D8967@trot.haven.dom> References: <20020510063645.A16371@ehlke.net> <20020510140416.C16272-100000@mrami.homeunix.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020510140416.C16272-100000@mrami.homeunix.org>; from mrami@mrami.homeunix.org on Fri, May 10, 2002 at 02:06:19PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, May 10, 2002 at 02:06:19PM -0400, Marc Ramirez wrote: >On Fri, 10 May 2002, Pete Ehlke wrote: > >> Now, I understand that finding a way to back up your 200 Gb home MP3 >> collection can be painful, but if you have systems and data that are >> important to you, get that data backed up *somewhere*. > >As someone who is archiving his CD collection, what do people use out >there for backing up 200 gig of crap? > >Marc. > Fortunately for me, my CD collection is already archived ;-) here is a concept for keeping 'filenames' their 'cdrom name' ($s) and date of last modification in a file called 'index' could be run each week then write backup.$s.bz2 to CDROM, scripters incremental method. To restore: look in the index for your file, then pick the date you want, then use the CD name to find the disk you need. Better than below: make links in /mnt/4cdrom/ then make an iso of that and erase, so the CDs can be used without untaring. For the brave and bold... run a cron everyday, when there is 640MB of modified files make links, use -mtime and +mtime to catch the 640MB window. I guess the key will always be in getting the timing right. Sorry, you still got to make a lot of disks the first time through. Note: I've not used all these options so I don't know if it'll work and some of them I looked up on linux so the switches may be different. /bin/sh s=`date +%s` find / -mtime 7 -type f > files cat /dev/null > index2 for e in files ; do echo $e\t$s\t`date -r $e` >> index2 done cat files | tar cjf --multi-volume --tape-length 640 backup.$s.bz2 cat index2 >> index mv index index~ ; sort index~ > index end lucky for me, my backups are only 33256991415. :) // George -- GEORGE GEORGALIS, System Admin/Architect cell: 347-451-8229 Security Services, Web, Mail, mailto:george@galis.org File, Print, DB and DNS Servers. http://www.galis.org/george To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat May 11 22:39: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C1F937B405 for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 22:39:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 752CE8148C; Sun, 12 May 2002 15:08:58 +0930 (CST) Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 15:08:58 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Pete Ehlke Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: YA fortune Message-ID: <20020512150858.A9145@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20020509192728.A10792@ehlke.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020509192728.A10792@ehlke.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thursday, 9 May 2002 at 19:27:28 -0700, Pete Ehlke wrote: > > So... to tie together a couple of recent threads: > > No no no. At risk of becoming embroiled in another OS religious war, > use FreeBSD if you must use a PC-based system. Linux just makes me ill. > ("Uh, well, let's see: I need procps version foo, networking tools > version bar with patch baz, libc version gronk, kernel version freen -- no > wait, procps version foo doesn't work with kernel version freen so I need > procps version foo patchlevel fnord -- hold it: now I need libc version *honk* > to make procps version fnord work -- and I need modules version *belch* > and -- wait: I have an SMC EtherPower card so I need to patch the kernel > to use tulip driver version spoon....") > > --Bill Paul While I can relate to that only too well (and the years haven't lessened the impact), I don't think this would help relations with Linux people, including those who are potential converts to FreeBSD. If we do include it, I suppose we should put it in fortunes-o. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message