From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Aug 15 18:35:14 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06934106BBA2 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 18:35:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-vk0-x231.google.com (mail-vk0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 948CA735A9 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 18:35:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: by mail-vk0-x231.google.com with SMTP id o82-v6so130574vko.8 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 11:35:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yabarana-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=0aG1icqumyr/KyMjQjfrIp5DuhZpLW/S8Tc/QzllqEk=; b=ziDILKbLlTv7ABbaaCRPtL8LlcN6pzdL8I2c9zevYzgxHSJ80SUQboZVDXOAaa4sPG /cSwMyoIC+zYl87s5RhJnDQztTOw6dLw+mAbq9WskcnTAVJ/DgDyJhSSr0fvKPhLXwVs 8tsq7SAb4E8dPbLTbbsLMwP40wM7cijW2B0UeuXcjNkagw7YdeTJPajw2nzKyOdLa8ma 0mqCveubDwq4/DSP603gGFPLtmaXhM3XMQs9gpmY7CaTpn7fLgIifH8EYwhQu947js2B 4lNwJtVRUk3vgAHesYyuWHb94wjlPev2GObbswR2IwJ0YyIKkINzsHoJweuipvttnU/M EYxg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=0aG1icqumyr/KyMjQjfrIp5DuhZpLW/S8Tc/QzllqEk=; b=li7XInijz4Vc7fJlo64gI9k1RtUKlunk5T6EEPGEC/YK7lqhTnQ0UAscadPbTEpG9Z 5tm2G1H+FE4JDkpg0vg79FCsM9PW1+sbPSNtfeam3KhilFmdkqgkB4Y3zB5VIzg8QgmJ so9Ztp6V5BNDFlS/AV3mlB+i7bQH1AdrbQtT0DnMgD/S8rX18OHuHATYs4WJ1i1cKAxy k+nBIjQCv6cs3g29BQk8l9Vhw6nedbkZ1TPeeZ4XVoI+tcwL5mT239hXPZLzO3UrvZkW MhlC+EmDYODBVcffrNbCxkzZO3VMQ6f1qDUsrPWwn7jvu1swHDni86F1vp5PERqzj31B vD1g== X-Gm-Message-State: AOUpUlHW2v+3wRh1DDadS9zNZv25CtNmTrA+xa2swJirtwgVhIohBsBx 6dC9h8rbHO8dfPXGLbAUe/sXIurVTr9B6mG24/bfWE3l+OY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA+uWPzb3jbe4CS05L8DNO05CyCEe7lbdNRfHyvDCJm2wtc5rewx//U1HVRcWRf97/qqvVSQgzeu+RgE0vHSLs4eQYs= X-Received: by 2002:a1f:dc3:: with SMTP id 186-v6mr2392440vkn.103.1534358112815; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 11:35:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a67:2f0c:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 11:35:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20180815192757.77f9c43a1cdd50d12acd19ae@sohara.org> References: <175f53e88fb5ebf26527882827080cd7@cannabis.fr.pl> <20180815192757.77f9c43a1cdd50d12acd19ae@sohara.org> From: Alejandro Imass Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 14:35:12 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Hello... To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 18:35:14 -0000 On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 2:27 PM, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Wed, 15 Aug 2018 14:13:21 -0400 > Alejandro Imass wrote: > >> It's a controversial topic so expect some heated debate. or not. >> Mailing lists are really hard to maintain so it's just easier to erase >> all the spam and scams which are not really that many at least on this >> list. > > Reminds me of a bank response to an audit revealing a vulnerability > that if exploited would allow almost unlimited mischief - the response was > yes we know about that one, securing against it would cost more than our > total fraud losses so we're not going to. > bottom posting not to feed the trolls anyway, your point is exactly it. bottom line is a cost benefit analysis much the same way fraudsters think too. you can spend a tons securing your systems but we don't pay our sysadmins enough money so they are much more easily corruptible and cheaper than trying to hack your way in from the outside.