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Date:      Sat, 9 May 2020 13:50:24 +0200
From:      Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de>
To:        "Steve O'Hara-Smith" <steve@sohara.org>
Cc:        freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Microsoft Teams for Linux
Message-ID:  <20200509135024.d3ace507.freebsd@edvax.de>
In-Reply-To: <20200509121604.b385c38e8ad5518c9a571ef2@sohara.org>
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On Sat, 9 May 2020 12:16:04 +0100, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote:
> On Sat, 9 May 2020 06:25:17 -0400
> Jerry <jerry@seibercom.net> wrote:
> 
> > On Sat, 9 May 2020 06:32:22 +0100, Steve O'Hara-Smith commented:
> > >On Fri, 8 May 2020 18:53:27 -0400
> > >Jerry <jerry@seibercom.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Both "Zoom" and "MS Teams" are working fine in my Win10 machine. I
> > >> have never tried to get them to work on FreeBSD, and I have no idea
> > >> why I would want to. I don't have a linux machine handy, although
> > >> that is on my "to-do" list. Perhaps by the end of this summer.  
> > >
> > > One good reason for wanting them working on Linux or FreeBSD is not
> > > owning a Windows machine. I don't, so if I wished to use either of
> > > those tools it seems I would need to buy one or try and get it to
> > > work on something else.
> > 
> > You seem to be under some preconceived notion that your need to 'own' a
> > Windows or other OS machine. You could run the application(s) in a VM.
> > It is becoming ubiquitous from what I have observed.
> 
> 	I still need to own a Windows license to do that - I do not.

You cannot own a license - you can be granted a license. Such a
license can also be revoked, no matter how much you paid for it.
In addition to a valid license, you typically need a registration
for the use of the desired service. Depending on the service, this
might include personal data you might not be willing to share with
an untrusted third party (and their unknown partners) just for the
sake of a video conference, such as name, date of birth, residence,
banking information, who knows. That valuable data adds to the
costs of licensing.

I fully agree with Jerry that trying to get certain software
intended to be used with "Windows" exclusively to work on FreeBSD
is, in most cases, not worth the time. A VM with a suitable "Windows"
is often the best solution. Some software is so complex, and tied
with the bowels of "Windows" so deeply that even with tools like
wine it is not possible to get an acceptable result. The same
applies for software that is run using a web browser: If it only
supports one specific browser, use that browser, instead of trying
to a get a different browser to to something that it is probably
not able to do. Always keep in mind that the complexity of modern
web browsers has reached (or maybe even surpassed) the complexity
of whole operating systems - and this also seems to be true for
their differences and incompatibilities, intended or not.



> > I am so sick and tired of a bunch of "Whiney Wieners" crying about
> > standards.
> 
> 	Standards are important, without standards there would be no
> internet.

Even "Windows" would not be able to provide any online functionality
without implementing existing standards, let alone connecting to
something else... ;-)



-- 
Polytropon
Magdeburg, Germany
Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...



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