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AMD64 Source and ports up to date as of 11-Oct-2014 The ports tree recently updated the NVIdia driver to 331.67. Since then when I attempt to boot my system with the "nvidia_load="YES", the loader traps and dies, and puts a CPU register dump on the screen.at the line "nvidia_load="YES", and dumps in screen a CPU register state then dies. Things used to work peechee until the update....Now I have to rem the line in the boot/loader.conf file....and manually kldload the module after boot up. Everything works peechee from that moment on. Upon manually kldloading the moduke...no errors. Linux is built into my custom kernel. All things were built with the default compile time flags No exceptions taken. I don't even know where to begin looking for this problem. And web crawling doesn't return any search results. As my system is backed up...I hard-wiped my install and installed 10.1 RC-1....Issue shows up there to with all at defaults. So I re-hard-wiped my system and did a clean install of 10.0 release.....Issue remains regardless if I install the NVidia modules from the binary repos....or build it from ports. And the issue remains regardless if I use the default shipping kernel and load linux in loader.conf......or use my custom kernel where linux is built in. Then I tried a different system.....same results. It seems to be pointing to a faulty nvidia-driver port and build. Does anyone have any idea what may be going on? Should I download the latest driver directly from NVidia and install it? Remember, this is a system which has been working flawlessly...then the nvidia update, and the broken loader where it displays a CPU register dump then crashes. 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From: Adrian Chadd To: Nick Sivo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 07:41:25 -0000 Hi! A bunch of ZFS hangs were found / fixed in FreeBSD-HEAD and I -think- backported to FreeBSD-10. I don't know if they've been backported to -9. Certainly not to 9.2; I think I found / reported some after 9.2 was released. In the kernel debugger (ddb), you can try "show allproc" to get a list of procs. https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/developers-handbook/kerneldebug-online-ddb.html for more information. Why can't you get crashdumps? are you able to: * update to freebsd-9-stable? * .. if you can, update to freebsd-10-stable? 10.1 is about to be released soon. You could try "procstat -ta" to see the threads running. Do it as root to see all the threads. TDNAME is the thread name; WCHAN is what's important to figure out why it's sleeping. I hope this helps! -a On 7 October 2014 18:48, Nick Sivo wrote: > Hello, > > > I've been having trouble with ZFS on my server. For the most part it works splendidly, but occasionally I'll experience permanent hangs. > > > For example, right now on one of my ZFS filesystems (the others are fine), I can read, write, and stat files, but if I run ls in any directory, ls and the terminal will hang. CTRL-C, and kill -9 can't kill it: > > > In top: > PID USERNAME THR PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE C TIME WCPU COMMAND > > 5868 nsivo 1 20 0 14456K 1016K zfs 0 0:00 0.00% ls > > > In ps: > USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TT STAT STARTED TIME COMMAND > > nsivo 5868 0.0 0.0 14456 1016 2- D+ 2:35PM 0:00.00 ls > > > Eventually the entire system hangs, and can't be shutdown cleanly. > > > What are the next steps to debug this? I'm a software developer, but am not familiar with kernel debugging. Is there a way to discover in which syscall ls is stuck? Ideally without requiring a crash dump? > > > Thanks for reading, > Nick > > > > -Nick > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 12 09:42:15 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 67BA877E for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 09:42:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wg0-x22d.google.com (mail-wg0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::22d]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0123AF2D for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 09:42:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f45.google.com with SMTP id m15so6655390wgh.4 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 02:42:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=qzjJhkSBzjnm4n2LiXlR2k6dnD/+DGzWuMlMFmTt3dI=; b=KJJDcBNZCOcO+3FVHzyHdtt/57sL/3OXyxb9SXF+M6r7AhHRHLSllywhJ/uqOd5856 OM/d/+vRl2goNuDHK/df5eoys71JZvsIJh2KFbevtD8hC2zxyMbgXQXLzoWJIjo2Szkd 50YJ8uT03OjoPiVESrHcLaNM5v2OfScYQUZ+x++51QkqORh+F0ZBuZyWQapyzGbxS8QT c/QvMPYP7P0EeiwLjyMKffT0BsHGo2ZyxztsXT4FK8KcpwYbK8lsHd03HH1kE+Aa3R9H 79zle+7fOsH5ZfFI4LeW4S7lee12kbb7J1iS5Qpf9uN3A2brw/gQM40vJhZsLBskh3TG BtTQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.12.206 with SMTP id a14mr13842567wic.75.1413106933281; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 02:42:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.102.196 with HTTP; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 02:42:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5438477D.7090406@gmail.com> References: <5438477D.7090406@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 11:42:13 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Samba smbd processes overload and panic From: Johan Hendriks To: =?UTF-8?B?RGFudGUgRi4gQi4gQ29sw7I=?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: freeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 09:42:15 -0000 Op vrijdag 10 oktober 2014 heeft "Dante F. B. Col=C3=B2" het volgende geschreven: > Greetings everyone > > I recently deployed Samba 4.0.21 running as classic pdc on freebsd 10 > version RELEASE-p9, most of shares are in a ZFS volume with vfs_zfsacl > module, some smbd processes stays constantly with around 70% cpu usage > sometimes 90% and dies with signal 11 according the log message , i also > tried enable debug but didn't show anything helpful or maybe i wasn't ab= le > to understand the entire log, is there anybody here experiencing somethin= g > similar ? > > Best Regards > Dante F. B. Col=C3=B2 > > INTERNAL ERROR: Signal 11 in pid 59865 (4.0.21) > Please read the Trouble-Shooting section of the Samba HOWTO > [2014/10/10 08:33:08.955295, 0] =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > [2014/10/10 08:33:08.955326, 0] PANIC (pid 59865): internal error > [2014/10/10 08:33:08.957939, 0] BACKTRACE: 7 stack frames: > #0 0x802b5a921 at /usr/local/lib/libsmbconf.so.= 0 > #1 0x802b5a708 at /usr/local/lib/libsmbconf.so.0 > #2 0x80146ef25 at /usr/local/lib/libsamba-util.so.0 > #3 0x80146f50a at /usr/local/lib/libsamba-util.so.0 > #4 0x80146eee3 at /usr/local/lib/libsamba-util.so.0 > #5 0x8044ce40b <_swapcontext+0x15b> at /lib/libthr.so.3 > #6 0x8044cdff3 at /lib/libthr.so.3 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" A shot in the dark, but do you have use sendfile =3D yes in your /usr/local/etc/smb4.conf file? If so, set it to no or comment out the line and restart samba. Regards, Johan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 12 10:34:22 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6CA21DBA for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 10:34:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5D2D33CC for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 10:34:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id s9CAYGvg091618; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 21:34:17 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 21:34:16 +1100 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: "William A. Mahaffey III" Subject: Re: sh man page .... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20141012201841.P56328@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: RW , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 10:34:22 -0000 Re: freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 540, Issue 6, Message: 7 On Fri, 10 Oct 2014 10:41:49 -0500 "William A. Mahaffey III" wrote: > On 10/10/14 10:30, Michael Sierchio wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 8:30 AM, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: > > > >> .....I had a bunch of shell scripts written to use Linux > >> sh, which was in fact bash, which means it had a superset of the arithmetic > >> operators that traditional sh had. When I use these scripts under sh under > >> FBSD 9.3, they largely work, though there are some minor differences (empty > >> strings evaluate to zero (0) under bash, error under sh). The man page for > >> sh doesn't reflect some of these compatibilities/incompatibilities, > > Nor should it. The Bourne Shell is the Bourne Shell, is adequately > > documented by the man page, and warnings about incompatibility are the > > responsibility of those who foist off bash as sh. > > > > You're blaming your own bad habit on others. :-) > Well !!!! The sh man page is mute on the fact that an empty string is an > error in arithmetic or logical evaluations, which is an omission > irrespective of what bash does :-). No, sh(1) sayeth regarding $((...)), removing some whitespace: The allowed expressions are a subset of C expressions, summarized below. Values All values are of type intmax_t. Constants Decimal, octal (starting with 0) and hexadecimal (start- ing with 0x) integer constants. Variables Shell variables can be read and written and contain integer constants. Unary operators ! ~ + - Binary operators * / % + - << >> < <= > >= == != & ^ | && || Assignment operators = += -= *= /= %= <<= >>= &= ^= |= Conditional operator ? : The result of the expression is substituted in decimal. Now unary operations require a single value; binary operations, two. Undefined variables resolve to "", so expressions become invalid where one (for unary) or for binary, either|both arguments are null|undefined. > I presume that converting Linux users to FBSD users is an agenda item > here (maybe my error), Not really; sh(1) is the standard, and we're not chasing 'converts' like it were some kind of religion - clearly there's more than enough of that in the world! bash claims to be sh compatible and I've always taken it at its word by using nothing but sh syntax in bash scripts on Debian :) > thus suitably complete man pages should be an important goal, I would > think. I didn't think converting from Linux to FBSD was/is a bad > habit ;-) .... Noone would argue that completeness is a goal, and while mentioning that sh DOES NOT convert undefined (or null) variables to 0 - which is pretty weird - is therefore unnecessary, this brings up one thing that should be mentioned, and I'll do so below in response to RW's post. bash(1) specifically states: "A shell variable that is null or unset evaluates to 0 when referenced by name without using the parameter expansion syntax." and later "A null value evaluates to 0", but it goes without saying - because it's not said - that in sh(1) that is not so. I'll also point out that bash(1) is 5463 lines (on 9.3) and sh(1) is 1631 lines, or just less than 30% the size. From bash(1): BUGS It's too big and too slow. There are some subtle differences between bash and traditional versions of sh, mostly because of the POSIX specification. 'subtle differences' hardly cuts it, and to reverse the onus, bash(1) doesn't point out ITS incompatible foibles - like this very 0 thing. In Message: 12 On Fri, 10 Oct 2014 18:38:14 +0100 RW wrote:: > On Fri, 10 Oct 2014 10:30:19 -0500 > William A. Mahaffey III wrote: [..] > > I have a FBSD 9.3 desktop that supplanted a Linux FC14 desktop used > > for web access, some light development, & other day-to-day tasks > > (i.e. my daily driver, so to speak). I had a bunch of shell scripts > > written to use Linux sh, which was in fact bash, which means it had a > > superset of the arithmetic operators that traditional sh had. When I > > use these scripts under sh under FBSD 9.3, they largely work, though > > there are some minor differences (empty strings evaluate to zero (0) > > under bash, error under sh). > > Can you give an example? > > $ sh > $ echo $((1+c)) > 1 Now this is strange. bash(1) points out that "Within an expression, shell variables may also be referenced by name without using the parameter expansion syntax". That this works in sh(1) does appear to be undocumented, though I've quite often seen it used, and wondered. And what's worse, when you DO use the full form ($variable), it fails! % sh -c 'echo $(( 1+c ))' 1 % sh -c 'echo $(( 1-c ))' 1 % sh -c 'echo $(( 1/c ))' arithmetic expression: division by zero: " 1/c " % sh -c 'echo $(( 1|c ))' 1 % sh -c 'echo $(( 1&c ))' 0 But: % sh -c 'echo $(( 1 & $c ))' arithmetic expression: expecting primary: " 1 & " % sh -c 'echo $(( 1 ^ $c ))' arithmetic expression: expecting primary: " 1 ^ " % sh -c 'echo $(( 1 + $c ))' arithmetic expression: expecting primary: " 1 + " % sh -c 'echo $(( 1 + c ))' 1 As far as I can tell, neither of these behaviours are documented, though I may have missed something; sh(1) is generally both terse and precise. And further [just _sometimes_ quoting from digests can be useful :-] > Straight out of the script which is failing. Under linux, if I call the > script w/ no '-s #' option, the variable 'slept' is not set, & linux (or > more accurately linux bash) evaluates that to the value oif zero (0). > > > [wam@kabini1, ~, 7:07:22pm] 386 % sh > $ if [ 0 -lt $(($slept)) ] ; then echo -n "$cmd: sleeping $slept secs > ...." ; sleep $(($slept)) ; echo " done." ; fi > arithmetic expression: expecting primary: "" > [wam@kabini1, ~, 7:07:45pm] 387 % So just precede that and similar instances with: [ -z "$slept" ] && slept=0 # or [ ! "$slept" ] ... Either way, quotes are required around potentially undef/null variables in test aka [, and never hurt. And though it's only what I read in sh(1), you should be able to use the ${parameter:=word} form to assign a default value if unset or null: if [ 0 -lt ${slept:=0} ; ... # no need for the $((..)) form cheers, Ian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 12 11:49:45 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E5A81C63 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 11:49:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B03BAD05 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 11:49:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kabini1.local (rbn1-216-180-19-73.adsl.hiwaay.net [216.180.19.73]) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id s9CBnbad001318 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 06:49:38 -0500 Message-ID: <543A6C48.1010304@hiwaay.net> Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 06:55:52 -0500 From: "William A. Mahaffey III" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sh man page .... References: <20141012201841.P56328@sola.nimnet.asn.au> In-Reply-To: <20141012201841.P56328@sola.nimnet.asn.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 11:49:46 -0000 On 10/12/14 05:34, Ian Smith wrote: > Re: freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 540, Issue 6, Message: 7 > On Fri, 10 Oct 2014 10:41:49 -0500 "William A. Mahaffey III" wrote: > > On 10/10/14 10:30, Michael Sierchio wrote: > > > On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 8:30 AM, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: > > > > > >> .....I had a bunch of shell scripts written to use Linux > > >> sh, which was in fact bash, which means it had a superset of the arithmetic > > >> operators that traditional sh had. When I use these scripts under sh under > > >> FBSD 9.3, they largely work, though there are some minor differences (empty > > >> strings evaluate to zero (0) under bash, error under sh). The man page for > > >> sh doesn't reflect some of these compatibilities/incompatibilities, > > > Nor should it. The Bourne Shell is the Bourne Shell, is adequately > > > documented by the man page, and warnings about incompatibility are the > > > responsibility of those who foist off bash as sh. > > > > > > You're blaming your own bad habit on others. :-) > > > Well !!!! The sh man page is mute on the fact that an empty string is an > > error in arithmetic or logical evaluations, which is an omission > > irrespective of what bash does :-). > > No, sh(1) sayeth regarding $((...)), removing some whitespace: > > The allowed expressions are a subset of C expressions, summarized below. > Values All values are of type intmax_t. > Constants Decimal, octal (starting with 0) and hexadecimal (start- > ing with 0x) integer constants. > Variables Shell variables can be read and written and contain > integer constants. > Unary operators > ! ~ + - > Binary operators > * / % + - << >> < <= > >= == != & ^ | && || > Assignment operators > = += -= *= /= %= <<= >>= &= ^= |= > Conditional operator > ? : > The result of the expression is substituted in decimal. > > Now unary operations require a single value; binary operations, two. > > Undefined variables resolve to "", so expressions become invalid where > one (for unary) or for binary, either|both arguments are null|undefined. > > > I presume that converting Linux users to FBSD users is an agenda item > > here (maybe my error), > > Not really; sh(1) is the standard, and we're not chasing 'converts' like > it were some kind of religion - clearly there's more than enough of that > in the world! bash claims to be sh compatible and I've always taken it > at its word by using nothing but sh syntax in bash scripts on Debian :) > > > thus suitably complete man pages should be an important goal, I would > > think. I didn't think converting from Linux to FBSD was/is a bad > > habit ;-) .... > > Noone would argue that completeness is a goal, and while mentioning that > sh DOES NOT convert undefined (or null) variables to 0 - which is pretty > weird - is therefore unnecessary, this brings up one thing that should > be mentioned, and I'll do so below in response to RW's post. > > bash(1) specifically states: "A shell variable that is null or unset > evaluates to 0 when referenced by name without using the parameter > expansion syntax." and later "A null value evaluates to 0", but it goes > without saying - because it's not said - that in sh(1) that is not so. > > I'll also point out that bash(1) is 5463 lines (on 9.3) and sh(1) is > 1631 lines, or just less than 30% the size. From bash(1): > > BUGS > It's too big and too slow. > > There are some subtle differences between bash and traditional versions > of sh, mostly because of the POSIX specification. > > 'subtle differences' hardly cuts it, and to reverse the onus, bash(1) > doesn't point out ITS incompatible foibles - like this very 0 thing. > > In Message: 12 > On Fri, 10 Oct 2014 18:38:14 +0100 RW wrote:: > > On Fri, 10 Oct 2014 10:30:19 -0500 > > William A. Mahaffey III wrote: > [..] > > > I have a FBSD 9.3 desktop that supplanted a Linux FC14 desktop used > > > for web access, some light development, & other day-to-day tasks > > > (i.e. my daily driver, so to speak). I had a bunch of shell scripts > > > written to use Linux sh, which was in fact bash, which means it had a > > > superset of the arithmetic operators that traditional sh had. When I > > > use these scripts under sh under FBSD 9.3, they largely work, though > > > there are some minor differences (empty strings evaluate to zero (0) > > > under bash, error under sh). > > > > Can you give an example? > > > > $ sh > > $ echo $((1+c)) > > 1 > > Now this is strange. bash(1) points out that "Within an expression, > shell variables may also be referenced by name without using the > parameter expansion syntax". That this works in sh(1) does appear to be > undocumented, though I've quite often seen it used, and wondered. And > what's worse, when you DO use the full form ($variable), it fails! > > % sh -c 'echo $(( 1+c ))' > 1 > % sh -c 'echo $(( 1-c ))' > 1 > % sh -c 'echo $(( 1/c ))' > arithmetic expression: division by zero: " 1/c " > % sh -c 'echo $(( 1|c ))' > 1 > % sh -c 'echo $(( 1&c ))' > 0 > > But: > > % sh -c 'echo $(( 1 & $c ))' > arithmetic expression: expecting primary: " 1 & " > % sh -c 'echo $(( 1 ^ $c ))' > arithmetic expression: expecting primary: " 1 ^ " > % sh -c 'echo $(( 1 + $c ))' > arithmetic expression: expecting primary: " 1 + " > % sh -c 'echo $(( 1 + c ))' > 1 > > As far as I can tell, neither of these behaviours are documented, though > I may have missed something; sh(1) is generally both terse and precise. > > And further [just _sometimes_ quoting from digests can be useful :-] > > > Straight out of the script which is failing. Under linux, if I call the > > script w/ no '-s #' option, the variable 'slept' is not set, & linux (or > > more accurately linux bash) evaluates that to the value oif zero (0). > > > > > > [wam@kabini1, ~, 7:07:22pm] 386 % sh > > $ if [ 0 -lt $(($slept)) ] ; then echo -n "$cmd: sleeping $slept secs > > ...." ; sleep $(($slept)) ; echo " done." ; fi > > arithmetic expression: expecting primary: "" > > [wam@kabini1, ~, 7:07:45pm] 387 % > > So just precede that and similar instances with: > > [ -z "$slept" ] && slept=0 # or [ ! "$slept" ] ... > > Either way, quotes are required around potentially undef/null variables > in test aka [, and never hurt. > > And though it's only what I read in sh(1), you should be able to use the > ${parameter:=word} form to assign a default value if unset or null: > > if [ 0 -lt ${slept:=0} ; ... # no need for the $((..)) form > > cheers, Ian > 100% correct on all facts, & I agree 100% w/ everything you say/said .... including the point that some of the behaviors are undocumented, & possibly unexpected (my assessment) .... That's all I was (lamely) asking for, a bit more detail in the sh man page :-) .... The references to bash by me were for context *only* .... Thx for the detailed & illuminating reply. -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 12 13:59:30 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5D7233A8 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 13:59:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wp188.webpack.hosteurope.de (wp188.webpack.hosteurope.de [IPv6:2a01:488:42::50ed:84c3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 22E5BAED for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 13:59:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ipb219ccd0.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de ([178.25.204.208] helo=localhost); authenticated by wp188.webpack.hosteurope.de running ExIM with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1XdJgE-00063E-EA; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 15:59:26 +0200 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 15:55:46 +0200 From: Paul To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE:possible jail bug? Message-ID: <20141012155546.00004520@mueller-blockhaus.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.10.1 (GTK+ 2.16.6; i586-pc-mingw32msvc) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-bounce-key: webpack.hosteurope.de; paul@mueller-blockhaus.de; 1413122370; ea7dbe76; X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 13:59:30 -0000 Hello Guys, I had trouble changing the devfs ruleset for a jail. I wanted to jail snort. For every interface I created a jail using ezjail. I named them snort_em*. But when I change the Ruleset to jail_snoet_em0_devfs_ruleset="devfsrules_jail_snort", the changed devfs.rules doesen't applied. I was so frustrated, that I recreated the jail with another name snortem* and then I worked. Is the "_"not allowed for jailnames or is it a problem with ezjail or jails? Greetings Paul uname -a : FreeBSD utm 9.3-RELEASE-p2 FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE-p2 #1 r272282: Fri Oct 3 16:06:53 CEST 2014 admin@utm:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/RCTL amd64 ####################################### /etc/devfs.rules [devfsrules_jail_vpn=5] add include $devfsrules_hide_all add include $devfsrules_unhide_basic add include $devfsrules_unhide_login add path tun0 unhide [devfsrules_unhide_bpf=6] add path 'bpf*' unhide [devfsrules_jail_dhcpd=7] add include $devfsrules_hide_all add include $devfsrules_unhide_basic add include $devfsrules_unhide_login add include $devfsrules_unhide_bpf [devfsrules_jail_snort=8] add include $devfsrules_hide_all add include $devfsrules_unhide_basic add include $devfsrules_unhide_login add include $devfsrules_unhide_bpf [devfsrules_jail_squid=9] add include $devfsrules_hide_all add include $devfsrules_unhide_basic add include $devfsrules_unhide_login add path pf unhide mode 040 group 100 ######################################### /usr/local/etc/ezjail/snort_em0 export jail_snort_em0_hostname="snort_em0" export jail_snort_em0_ip="127.0.0.4" export jail_snort_em0_rootdir="/jails/snort_em0" export jail_snort_em0_exec_start="/bin/sh /etc/rc" export jail_snort_em0_exec_stop="" export jail_snort_em0_mount_enable="YES" export jail_snort_em0_devfs_enable="YES" export jail_snort_devfs_ruleset="devfsrules_jail_snort" export jail_snort_em0_procfs_enable="NO" export jail_snort_em0_fdescfs_enable="YES" export jail_snort_em0_image="" export jail_snort_em0_imagetype="" export jail_snort_em0_attachparams="" export jail_snort_em0_attachblocking="" export jail_snort_em0_forceblocking="" export jail_snort_em0_zfs_datasets="" export jail_snort_em0_cpuset="" export jail_snort_em0_fib="" export jail_snort_em0_parentzfs="" export jail_snort_em0_parameters="" export jail_snort_em0_post_start_script="" export jail_snort_em0_retention_policy="" ###################################### /usr/local/etc/ezjail/snortem0 export jail_snortem0_hostname="snortem0" export jail_snortem0_ip="127.0.0.3" export jail_snortem0_rootdir="/jails/snortem0" export jail_snortem0_exec_start="/bin/sh /etc/rc" export jail_snortem0_exec_stop="" export jail_snortem0_mount_enable="YES" export jail_snortem0_devfs_enable="YES" export jail_snortem0_devfs_ruleset="devfsrules_jail_snort" export jail_snortem0_procfs_enable="NO" export jail_snortem0_fdescfs_enable="YES" export jail_snortem0_image="" export jail_snortem0_imagetype="" export jail_snortem0_attachparams="" export jail_snortem0_attachblocking="" export jail_snortem0_forceblocking="" export jail_snortem0_zfs_datasets="" export jail_snortem0_cpuset="" export jail_snortem0_fib="" export jail_snortem0_parentzfs="" export jail_snortem0_parameters="" export jail_snortem0_post_start_script="" export jail_snortem0_retention_policy="" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 12 14:09:49 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D2437126 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 14:09:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 95861BEE for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 14:09:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-30-92.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.30.92]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BA35B276A5; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 16:09:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id s9CE9dRJ002406; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 16:09:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 16:09:39 +0200 From: Polytropon To: CyberLeo Kitsana Subject: Re: sh man page .... Message-Id: <20141012160939.f131b6b9.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <5439C1D0.6030902@cyberleo.net> References: <5437FB8B.9080008@hiwaay.net> <5439C1D0.6030902@cyberleo.net> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "William A. Mahaffey III" , FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 14:09:49 -0000 On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 18:48:32 -0500, CyberLeo Kitsana wrote: > Try running devel/checkbashisms against the scripts. It's something > Debian uses to ease migration from Bash to Dash in their base system, > and I've found it rather useful to ensure no bashisms sneak into my own > portable scripts. This is a very good advice, because "portable scripts" isn't entirely obvious and normal in Linux anymore. And as soon as you leave the Linux world and need to have the same script run on other UNIX systems (BSD, Solaris, maybe even HP-UX or AIX, maybe even on Mac OS X, or if you're totally insane, on IRIX), having the scripts rely on things you take for granted ("because it works in bash, and that's the same thing across all platforms, right?") is a bad idea. For example, you can easily spot Linux scripts if their first line is "#!/bin/bash". This isn't even "standard" anymore on Linux, as some distributions have moved to the dash shell as their default scripting shell. But just writing "#!/bin/sh" doesn't make bashisms magically work on non-bash shells. Having a tool to test for those cases is a good help, so you don't run into "unexpected behaviour" in combination with the "works on _my_ machine" mentality. Oh, and don't get me started on the rare fact that you think you have a POSIX shell, and your script only uses what POSIX specifies, and then you suddenly find out that the shell isn't 100% POSIX... :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 12 15:06:53 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5DBE3569 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 15:06:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 27940171 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 15:06:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kabini1.local (rbn1-216-180-19-73.adsl.hiwaay.net [216.180.19.73]) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id s9CF6oNK030973 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 10:06:51 -0500 Message-ID: <543A9A81.5080403@hiwaay.net> Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 10:13:05 -0500 From: "William A. Mahaffey III" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "FreeBSD Questions !!!!" Subject: syslog output .... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 15:06:53 -0000 .... I did a 'pkg upgrade a few days ago (Oct 8). Since then I have been seeing messages like the following in my /var/log/messages file: Oct 12 09:08:13 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [192.168.0.9]:43713 to [192.168.0.27]:1839 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 12 09:08:13 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [192.168.0.9]:43713 to [192.168.0.27]:2196 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 12 09:08:13 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [192.168.0.9]:43713 to [192.168.0.27]:1272 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 12 09:08:13 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [192.168.0.9]:43713 to [192.168.0.27]:57294 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 12 09:08:13 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [192.168.0.9]:43713 to [192.168.0.27]:1001 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 12 09:08:13 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [192.168.0.9]:43713 to [192.168.0.27]:4998 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 12 09:08:13 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [192.168.0.9]:43713 to [192.168.0.27]:2135 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 12 09:08:13 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [192.168.0.9]:43713 to [192.168.0.27]:1248 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 12 09:08:13 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [192.168.0.9]:43713 to [192.168.0.27]:3006 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 12 09:08:13 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [192.168.0.9]:43713 to [192.168.0.27]:1666 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 12 09:08:13 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [192.168.0.9]:43713 to [192.168.0.27]:1862 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 12 09:08:13 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [192.168.0.9]:43713 to [192.168.0.27]:5555 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 12 09:08:13 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [192.168.0.9]:43713 to [192.168.0.27]:7911 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 12 09:08:13 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [192.168.0.9]:43713 to [192.168.0.27]:8087 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 12 09:08:13 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [192.168.0.9]:43713 to [192.168.0.27]:544 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 12 09:08:13 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [192.168.0.9]:43713 to [192.168.0.27]:56738 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 12 09:08:13 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [192.168.0.9]:43713 to [192.168.0.27]:8180 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 12 09:08:13 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [192.168.0.9]:43713 to [192.168.0.27]:15000 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 12 09:08:13 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [192.168.0.9]:43713 to [192.168.0.27]:8011 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 12 09:08:13 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [192.168.0.9]:43713 to [192.168.0.27]:1805 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 12 09:08:13 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [192.168.0.9]:43713 to [192.168.0.27]:27356 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 12 09:08:13 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [192.168.0.9]:43713 to [192.168.0.27]:49175 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 12 09:08:13 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [192.168.0.9]:43713 to [192.168.0.27]:9009 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 12 09:08:13 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [192.168.0.9]:43713 to [192.168.0.27]:2002 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 12 09:08:13 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [192.168.0.9]:43713 to [192.168.0.27]:51493 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 12 09:08:13 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [192.168.0.9]:43713 to [192.168.0.27]:65389 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 12 09:08:13 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [192.168.0.9]:43713 to [192.168.0.27]:1026 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 12 09:08:13 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [192.168.0.9]:43713 to [192.168.0.27]:6001 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 12 09:08:13 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [192.168.0.9]:43713 to [192.168.0.27]:2200 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 12 09:08:13 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [192.168.0.9]:43713 to [192.168.0.27]:6101 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 12 09:08:13 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [192.168.0.9]:43713 to [192.168.0.27]:1058 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 12 09:08:13 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [192.168.0.9]:43713 to [192.168.0.27]:406 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 12 09:08:13 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [192.168.0.9]:43713 to [192.168.0.27]:1322 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 12 09:08:13 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [192.168.0.9]:43713 to [192.168.0.27]:10001 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 12 09:08:13 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [192.168.0.9]:43713 to [192.168.0.27]:787 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 12 09:08:13 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [192.168.0.9]:43713 to [192.168.0.27]:2030 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 12 09:08:13 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [192.168.0.9]:43713 to [192.168.0.27]:8085 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 12 09:08:13 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [192.168.0.9]:43713 to [192.168.0.27]:6502 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 12 09:08:13 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [192.168.0.9]:43713 to [192.168.0.27]:41511 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 12 09:08:13 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [192.168.0.9]:43713 to [192.168.0.27]:3030 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 12 09:08:13 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [192.168.0.9]:43713 to [192.168.0.27]:49167 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 12 09:08:13 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [192.168.0.9]:43713 to [192.168.0.27]:7435 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 12 09:08:13 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [192.168.0.9]:43713 to [192.168.0.27]:7778 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 12 09:08:13 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [192.168.0.9]:43713 to [192.168.0.27]:1011 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 12 09:08:13 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [192.168.0.9]:43713 to [192.168.0.27]:1152 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 12 09:08:13 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [192.168.0.9]:43713 to [192.168.0.27]:1717 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 12 09:08:13 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [192.168.0.9]:43713 to [192.168.0.27]:2301 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 12 09:08:21 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [192.168.0.9]:43860 to [192.168.0.27]:1 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 12 09:08:23 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [192.168.0.9]:43860 to [192.168.0.27]:1 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port I did an nmap of this machine this A.M., right about 9:08, from 192.168.0.9, so I think that's what prompted the output. I have done that nmap in the past, w/ no such output in my messages file. What changed so that I am now seeing it ? How can I trim it down such that it ignores other boxen on my LAN ? Before the nmap, I had: Oct 9 03:03:05 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [127.0.0.1]:33651 to [127.0.0.1]:113 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 9 03:03:35 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [127.0.0.1]:46424 to [127.0.0.1]:113 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 9 04:31:02 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [127.0.0.1]:39302 to [127.0.0.1]:113 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 9 04:55:09 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [127.0.0.1]:35438 to [127.0.0.1]:113 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 10 03:03:06 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [127.0.0.1]:42452 to [127.0.0.1]:113 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 10 03:03:36 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [127.0.0.1]:35490 to [127.0.0.1]:113 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 10 04:31:03 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [127.0.0.1]:10883 to [127.0.0.1]:113 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 10 04:55:09 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [127.0.0.1]:29976 to [127.0.0.1]:113 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 11 03:03:04 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [127.0.0.1]:31176 to [127.0.0.1]:113 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 11 03:03:34 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [127.0.0.1]:58845 to [127.0.0.1]:113 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 11 04:15:22 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [127.0.0.1]:53631 to [127.0.0.1]:113 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 11 04:31:02 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [127.0.0.1]:57289 to [127.0.0.1]:113 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 11 04:55:03 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [127.0.0.1]:64800 to [127.0.0.1]:113 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 12 03:03:07 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [127.0.0.1]:31921 to [127.0.0.1]:113 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 12 03:03:37 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [127.0.0.1]:12746 to [127.0.0.1]:113 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 12 04:31:02 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [127.0.0.1]:65525 to [127.0.0.1]:113 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port Oct 12 04:55:03 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [127.0.0.1]:40810 to [127.0.0.1]:113 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to closed port apparently from cron jobs I have scheduled @ ~3:00 A.M. & ~4:00 A.M. on the local machine, i.e. it squawks about stuff from both other LAN boxen & from onboard jobs .... The output from the nmap is obviously voluminous & washes other output out of quick view (tail -50 /var/log/messages). The other output will get annoying, since it is harmless. I would like to hear from other machines not on my LAN, however. Any advice appreciated. TIA .... -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 12 16:38:28 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E836D7E4 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 16:38:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qc0-x230.google.com (mail-qc0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c01::230]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A31E0B83 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 16:38:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qc0-f176.google.com with SMTP id r5so4081204qcx.35 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 09:38:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type; bh=GdYWtPyMlBHdykx3eNc8R0/Ivcr/TUhvb2zI+F1wMMk=; b=AU+VnWDcQ3LAaqwwccQ5mWP1jOHPWE5kzoaiOqXAp7PVKXYlpcwcfegOiPsT9cXGz9 6CJzpnjQjKm3Z/1IJgozu+2t63vQVGVJRrsovLwivfM6Y7wwbZU5WejAwMqDn3/eFeQu hcV3ANVHkjuGAF1QFha4ePh+EGt2cfemwdxC1Glq/kKlnnHZzDd+tDhXGMAianCQ7STV nOWiI6nBwQmYrWNIZiaqCzSyuTht/fysVk3u6q/NMohenYEpAAJmA8DyDxUYC67CtEym xTfvE/MJzpB3xlH0YC3Zw+Y/eXsBYBKwQEXtjz2XOE4fN4zed6pVRRV1IlnDKOYX5LOj NbNg== X-Received: by 10.224.37.134 with SMTP id x6mr32428597qad.39.1413131907015; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 09:38:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.13] ([191.181.214.203]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id z8sm10388502qaj.43.2014.10.12.09.38.25 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 12 Oct 2014 09:38:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <543AADF2.3040204@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 13:36:02 -0300 From: =?UTF-8?B?IkRhbnRlIEYuIEIuIENvbMOyIg==?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/24.8.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Johan Hendriks Subject: Re: Samba smbd processes overload and panic References: <5438477D.7090406@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: freeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 16:38:29 -0000 Hello Johan, Sendfile is disabled, this is my setup , all shares have the full_audit module enable but i already tried disable ,and the same for xattr_tdb which is enabled on all shares located in ZFS volumes since ZFS has no support for extended attributes yet on Freebsd i decided to use this module, i didn't disabled zfsacl module , but i'm thinking about move everthing to a UFS2 partition and use vfs_acl_xattr for ntfs like acls, i just don't like to use a Windows machine to set acls on folders it's too slow and i couldn't find a way to set acls from command line on samba, it's possible with smbcacls command but it's limited , rudimentary and even slower, someone correct me if i'm wrong. Regards Dante F. B. Colò [global] server role = classic primary domain controller netbios name = SALAMONE-PDC workgroup = SALAMONE server string = %L os level = 255 domain logons= yes preferred master = yes domain master = yes wins support = yes name resolve order = lmhosts wins host bcast max stat cache size = 768 security = user add user script = /home/samba/scripts/smbadduser.sh "%u" add machine script = /usr/sbin/pw useradd -g machines -s /sbin/nologin -d /dev/null -c "%u" -n "%u" unix password sync = no admin users = @smbadmins log file = /var/log/samba4/log.%I max log size = 4096 log level = 1 debug class = yes debug prefix timestamp = yes syslog = 0 deadtime=60 time server = yes logon path = logon drive = H: logon script =%G/logon.bat # [netlogon] path = "/home/samba/netlogon" browsable = no writable = no guest ok = yes # [homes] directory mask = 0700 create mask = 0700 browsable = no writable = yes valid users = %S # [Diligencias] vfs objects = zfsacl,xattr_tdb,full_audit xattr_tdb:file = /var/db/samba4/private/shares_xattrs/diligencias.tdb full_audit:prefix = "%I|%u|%P" full_audit:success = rmdir rename unlink full_audit:failure = rmdir rename unlink full_audit:facility = LOCAL0 full_audit:priority = NOTICE path = "/samba/salamone/diligencias" inherit owner = yes inherit permissions = yes writable = yes browsable = yes ea support = yes store dos attributes = yes map archive = no map system = no map readonly = no map hidden = no level2 oplocks = no oplocks = no # [RH] vfs objects =full_audit full_audit:prefix = "%I|%u|%P" full_audit:success = rmdir rename unlink full_audit:failure = rmdir rename unlink full_audit:facility = LOCAL0 full_audit:priority = NOTICE path = "/local_disk_2/salamone/dados_gerais/rh" writable = yes browsable = yes inherit owner = yes create mask =0777 directory mask =0777 store dos attributes = yes ea support = yes valid users =@smbadmins,gabriela.martins,leonardo.oliveira,robezia.silva,amanda.zonta,neildes.digesu,jose.salamone,miriam.lucateli,meiriele.oliveira map archive = no map system = no map readonly = no map hidden = no level2 oplocks = no oplocks = no # [Eventos] vfs objects = zfsacl,xattr_tdb,full_audit xattr_tdb:file = /var/db/samba4/private/shares_xattrs/eventos.tdb full_audit:prefix = "%I|%u|%P" full_audit:success = rmdir rename unlink full_audit:failure = rmdir rename unlink full_audit:facility = LOCAL0 full_audit:priority = NOTICE path = "/samba/salamone/eventos" writable = yes browsable = yes inherit owner = yes inherit permissions = yes store dos attributes = yes ea support = yes map archive = no map system = no map readonly = no map hidden = no level2 oplocks = no oplocks = no On 10/12/2014 06:42 AM, Johan Hendriks wrote: > > > Op vrijdag 10 oktober 2014 heeft "Dante F. B. Colò" > > het volgende > geschreven: > > Greetings everyone > > I recently deployed Samba 4.0.21 running as classic pdc on > freebsd 10 version RELEASE-p9, most of shares are in a ZFS volume > with vfs_zfsacl module, some smbd processes stays constantly with > around 70% cpu usage sometimes 90% and dies with signal 11 > according the log message , i also tried enable debug but didn't > show anything helpful or maybe i wasn't able to understand the > entire log, is there anybody here experiencing something similar ? > > Best Regards > Dante F. B. Colò > > INTERNAL ERROR: Signal 11 in pid 59865 (4.0.21) > Please read the Trouble-Shooting section of the Samba HOWTO > [2014/10/10 08:33:08.955295, 0] > =============================================================== > [2014/10/10 08:33:08.955326, 0] PANIC (pid 59865): internal error > [2014/10/10 08:33:08.957939, 0] BACKTRACE: 7 stack frames: > #0 0x802b5a921 at > /usr/local/lib/libsmbconf.so.0 > #1 0x802b5a708 at > /usr/local/lib/libsmbconf.so.0 > #2 0x80146ef25 at > /usr/local/lib/libsamba-util.so.0 > #3 0x80146f50a at > /usr/local/lib/libsamba-util.so.0 > #4 0x80146eee3 at > /usr/local/lib/libsamba-util.so.0 > #5 0x8044ce40b <_swapcontext+0x15b> at /lib/libthr.so.3 > #6 0x8044cdff3 at /lib/libthr.so.3 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > A shot in the dark, but do you have use sendfile = yes in your > /usr/local/etc/smb4.conf file? > If so, set it to no or comment out the line and restart samba. > > > Regards, > Johan > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 12 17:05:00 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3E78B543 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 17:05:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from blue.qeng-ho.org (blue.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AE5F0E17 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 17:04:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from arthur.home.qeng-ho.org (arthur.home.qeng-ho.org [172.23.1.2]) by fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org (8.14.7/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s9CH4mD7093010; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 18:04:49 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Message-ID: <543AB4B0.90501@qeng-ho.org> Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 18:04:48 +0100 From: Arthur Chance User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "William A. Mahaffey III" , "FreeBSD Questions !!!!" Subject: Re: syslog output .... References: <543A9A81.5080403@hiwaay.net> In-Reply-To: <543A9A81.5080403@hiwaay.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 17:05:00 -0000 On 12/10/2014 16:13, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: > > > .... I did a 'pkg upgrade a few days ago (Oct 8). Since then I have been > seeing messages like the following in my /var/log/messages file: > > > > Oct 12 09:08:13 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [192.168.0.9]:43713 to > [192.168.0.27]:1839 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to > closed port [Lots snipped] > > I did an nmap of this machine this A.M., right about 9:08, from > 192.168.0.9, so I think that's what prompted the output. I have done > that nmap in the past, w/ no such output in my messages file. What > changed so that I am now seeing it ? How can I trim it down such that it > ignores other boxen on my LAN ? Before the nmap, I had: > Didn't we recently discuss turning on net.inet.tcp.log_in_vain? That's the sort of output you get, and nmap will trigger it when hitting unopen ports. The log_in_vain sysctls are all or nothing, AFAIK you can't tell them to ignore some hosts/networks. Either don't nmap scan the machine or turn off the logging during the scan if you don't want to see it. > > Oct 9 03:03:05 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [127.0.0.1]:33651 to > [127.0.0.1]:113 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to > closed port [More snipped] That's the sort of thing I see on my machine. Port 113 is the ident (aka auth) service. As the addresses are all 127.0.0.1 your machine is asking itself to identify who is responsible for network connections to itself! If you can't work out what is causing it (I never could, but didn't try very hard) you can shut it up by actually running an auth service. Depending on what you feel like, either enable inetd and uncomment one of the built in auth entries in /etc/inetd.conf, or install one of net/hidentd (also needs inetd), net/widentd, security/fakeident, security/oidentd or security/pidentd. That way port 113 will be listening and responding. > > apparently from cron jobs I have scheduled @ ~3:00 A.M. & ~4:00 A.M. on > the local machine, i.e. it squawks about stuff from both other LAN boxen > & from onboard jobs .... The output from the nmap is obviously > voluminous & washes other output out of quick view (tail -50 > /var/log/messages). The other output will get annoying, since it is > harmless. I would like to hear from other machines not on my LAN, > however. Any advice appreciated. TIA .... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 12 17:48:58 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 29274A7C for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 17:48:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from resqmta-ch2-06v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-06v.sys.comcast.net [IPv6:2001:558:fe21:29:69:252:207:38]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "Bizanga Labs SMTP Client Certificate", Issuer "Bizanga Labs CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E5C2425E for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 17:48:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from resomta-ch2-13v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.109]) by resqmta-ch2-06v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id 2HoM1p0042N9P4d01Howot; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 17:48:56 +0000 Received: from [IPv6:2601:1:b080:7fb:224:21ff:fe6a:b452] ([IPv6:2601:1:b080:7fb:224:21ff:fe6a:b452]) by resomta-ch2-13v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id 2Hou1p00K0TTTii01HovdU; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 17:48:56 +0000 Message-ID: <543ABF08.10701@comcast.net> Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 11:48:56 -0600 From: Dave User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/31.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: SOLVED WITH QUESTIONS Re: Latest NVidia Driver Issue References: <5439F046.60204@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <5439F046.60204@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20140121; t=1413136136; bh=XSvFdxQC9CsDS6GEMszQyOHe9Hi52S0hKJTNZXUAny4=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=NlciNe2XvODWz1HXr370a8otue9zUoE55DcOuB69hxyf3Go8N3aNzX/e1sJOFHBcR vsrPaAiTyfyc5nFcI+9ZxpopPiKEYK1kt9A0fwZwlEc6IrOEd0IPhxQlUVHg9o1cJB eDZZxCLIjpooRfrCvPbmkY+XWF5viy5A+1aNVaOt0uh0//D3E8Biw1MUnyg7ACo994 ofCuEqaJMlyz0oArHnyF5N/aoGZQiOX5UolSxTl9+pkG9xo/B8tBoMUxtxgXlcVvoJ MADsS0RDqGj6BvZ+0Laqhe+HRY/KSUJ1cDSm8ihLHhfa0vRE1yYuyS+SAEYOVgp7pd fYsfZoVCwOEhg== X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 17:48:58 -0000 I researched where the loader looks for modules, and it looks like /boot/modules is not in it's search path. /boot/modules was where the nvidia module was put after I built it from ports. I (as root) copied nvidia.ko into /boot/kernel, unremmed the line of nvidia_load="YES", and the system then properly loaded the nvidia module flawlessly, and "X" came up perfectly. Now....being junior with FreeBSD (< 1 year),,,I don't know who to report the bug to....the nvidia driver maintainer? or...the person responsible for the loader? Will someone please help me out with WHY....my fix above worked, when previously it wasn't necessary? Then who I should report this to? If you can help, I would be very appreciative, Sincerely and respectfully, Dave On 10/11/2014 09:06 PM, Dave wrote: > FreeBSD 10.0 Release. AMD64 > > Source and ports up to date as of 11-Oct-2014 > > The ports tree recently updated the NVIdia driver to 331.67. > > Since then when I attempt to boot my system with the > "nvidia_load="YES", the loader traps and dies, and puts a CPU register > dump on the screen.at the line "nvidia_load="YES", and dumps in screen > a CPU register state then dies. > > Things used to work peechee until the update....Now I have to rem the > line in the boot/loader.conf file....and manually kldload the module > after boot up. Everything works peechee from that moment on. > > Upon manually kldloading the moduke...no errors. > > Linux is built into my custom kernel. > > All things were built with the default compile time flags No > exceptions taken. > > I don't even know where to begin looking for this problem. And web > crawling doesn't return any search results. > > As my system is backed up...I hard-wiped my install and installed 10.1 > RC-1....Issue shows up there to with all at defaults. > > So I re-hard-wiped my system and did a clean install of 10.0 > release.....Issue remains regardless if I install the NVidia modules > from the binary repos....or build it from ports. And the issue remains > regardless if I use the default shipping kernel and load linux in > loader.conf......or use my custom kernel where linux is built in. > > > Then I tried a different system.....same results. It seems to be > pointing to a faulty nvidia-driver port and build. > > Does anyone have any idea what may be going on? > > Should I download the latest driver directly from NVidia and install it? > > > Remember, this is a system which has been working flawlessly...then > the nvidia update, and the broken loader where it displays a CPU > register dump then crashes. > > Sincerely and respectfully, > > Dave > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 12 18:06:49 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9942A253 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 18:06:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5D712626 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 18:06:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-30-92.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.30.92]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3CD103CF1F; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 20:06:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id s9CI6eQY002062; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 20:06:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 20:06:40 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Dave Subject: Re: SOLVED WITH QUESTIONS Re: Latest NVidia Driver Issue Message-Id: <20141012200640.d54ec1dc.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <543ABF08.10701@comcast.net> References: <5439F046.60204@comcast.net> <543ABF08.10701@comcast.net> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 18:06:49 -0000 On Sun, 12 Oct 2014 11:48:56 -0600, Dave wrote: > I researched where the loader looks for modules, and it looks like > /boot/modules is not in it's search path. /boot/modules was where the > nvidia module was put after I built it from ports. This is somehow interesting. I'm (still) using a FreeBSD 8 system at home and have installed the nVidia driver from ports. The module has been put as /boot/modules/nvidia.ko, and my /boot/loader.conf contains `nvidia_load="YES"' - and this constellation seems to work! The question could be: Has this been changed later on, on FreeBSD 9 or 10? > I (as root) copied nvidia.ko into /boot/kernel, unremmed the line of > nvidia_load="YES", and the system then properly loaded the nvidia module > flawlessly, and "X" came up perfectly. The /boot/kernel directory is usually managed by the "make installkernel" procedure (or freebsd-update, if you use that instead). So an update might bring you some surprise... > Now....being junior with FreeBSD (< 1 year),,,I don't know who to report > the bug to....the nvidia driver maintainer? or...the person responsible > for the loader? I'd suggest to file a bug report for the "kernel" category. If that's wrong, a person with more knowledge will re-address it properly. Or maybe the port maintainer should also be notified? -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 12 18:23:33 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7FDF07C3 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 18:23:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B69383C for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 18:23:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kabini1.local (rbn1-216-180-76-169.adsl.hiwaay.net [216.180.76.169]) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id s9CINVZj011112 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 13:23:31 -0500 Message-ID: <543AC89A.7030308@hiwaay.net> Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 13:29:46 -0500 From: "William A. Mahaffey III" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "FreeBSD Questions !!!!" Subject: Re: syslog output .... References: <543A9A81.5080403@hiwaay.net> <543AB4B0.90501@qeng-ho.org> In-Reply-To: <543AB4B0.90501@qeng-ho.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 18:23:33 -0000 On 10/12/14 12:04, Arthur Chance wrote: > On 12/10/2014 16:13, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: >> >> >> .... I did a 'pkg upgrade a few days ago (Oct 8). Since then I have been >> seeing messages like the following in my /var/log/messages file: >> >> >> >> Oct 12 09:08:13 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [192.168.0.9]:43713 to >> [192.168.0.27]:1839 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to >> closed port > [Lots snipped] > >> >> I did an nmap of this machine this A.M., right about 9:08, from >> 192.168.0.9, so I think that's what prompted the output. I have done >> that nmap in the past, w/ no such output in my messages file. What >> changed so that I am now seeing it ? How can I trim it down such that it >> ignores other boxen on my LAN ? Before the nmap, I had: >> > > Didn't we recently discuss turning on net.inet.tcp.log_in_vain? That's > the sort of output you get, and nmap will trigger it when hitting > unopen ports. The log_in_vain sysctls are all or nothing, AFAIK you > can't tell them to ignore some hosts/networks. Either don't nmap scan > the machine or turn off the logging during the scan if you don't want > to see it. Yes, we did. I just wasn't clear on exactly what sort of output it would give. Thanks for the clarification :-). > >> >> Oct 9 03:03:05 kabini1 kernel: TCP: [127.0.0.1]:33651 to >> [127.0.0.1]:113 tcpflags 0x2; tcp_input: Connection attempt to >> closed port > [More snipped] > > That's the sort of thing I see on my machine. Port 113 is the ident > (aka auth) service. As the addresses are all 127.0.0.1 your machine is > asking itself to identify who is responsible for network connections > to itself! If you can't work out what is causing it (I never could, > but didn't try very hard) you can shut it up by actually running an > auth service. Depending on what you feel like, either enable inetd and > uncomment one of the built in auth entries in /etc/inetd.conf, or > install one of net/hidentd (also needs inetd), net/widentd, > security/fakeident, security/oidentd or security/pidentd. That way > port 113 will be listening and responding. > >> >> apparently from cron jobs I have scheduled @ ~3:00 A.M. & ~4:00 A.M. on >> the local machine, i.e. it squawks about stuff from both other LAN boxen >> & from onboard jobs .... The output from the nmap is obviously >> voluminous & washes other output out of quick view (tail -50 >> /var/log/messages). The other output will get annoying, since it is >> harmless. I would like to hear from other machines not on my LAN, >> however. Any advice appreciated. TIA .... > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. 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Thank You! I have a question...This option is already unremmed in the /boot/defaults/loader.conf...... Should I understand that if a "/boot/loader.conf" file exists......that the "/boot/defaults/loader.conf" file is ignored? I would appreciate the clarification in how "loader" works. Sincerely and respectfully, Dave On 10/12/14 12:44, Michael Sierchio wrote: > On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Dave wrote: > >> I researched where the loader looks for modules, and it looks like >> /boot/modules is not in it's search path. /boot/modules was where the nvidia >> module was put after I built it from ports. > kudzu@daggoo:~ 204> sysctl kern.module_path > kern.module_path: /boot/kernel;/boot/modules > > you could add this to your /boot/loader.conf > > module_path="/boot/kernel;/boot/modules" # Set the module search path > > - M > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 12 19:19:44 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B9C58310 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 19:19:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from resqmta-po-10v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-10v.sys.comcast.net [IPv6:2001:558:fe16:19:96:114:154:169]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "Bizanga Labs SMTP Client Certificate", Issuer "Bizanga Labs CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8A504CE0 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 19:19:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from resomta-po-03v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.227]) by resqmta-po-10v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id 2KKk1p0054ueUHc01KKkmc; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 19:19:44 +0000 Received: from CurlySr.dbis.net ([50.183.226.175]) by resomta-po-03v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id 2KKj1p00K3nhSLa01KKjXD; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 19:19:43 +0000 Message-ID: <543AD44F.2060408@comcast.net> Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 13:19:43 -0600 From: Dave Babb User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SOLVED WITH QUESTIONS Re: Latest NVidia Driver Issue References: <5439F046.60204@comcast.net> <543ABF08.10701@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20140121; t=1413141584; bh=zcEqV0Et6V6ofzsEMmoSklXsSPx8pwWU14pPh8A3aWw=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=c39QpqN4LvtYLsOa5Fo8vmlibmIo+vnaUy2T8De5Jyb1EpxOhluXkjkEuG+hs0qIh 4hoaBcok3xHeOHrv+ljofFZZ44o26erd84A9+WizGAKX1QCbaORLNwKI53jICcrQLd qNFXkRx0Mo/s/AyIIaNEkDV62JiUhKotUk46rh49R72bzkvEvNuVtmMbEaiH3khKbB 9iszV0IS0FAJl504nHtxPTyLnOPqD09jM8ROzWOjBeaWMi57YnrmmuMyCYlMJI7BwA csLXpmRJNvYJVnrFniwph9Gnb846SHdJWQVkFsImotP7FLhxhbgFtEMJ8M1LsD4v7+ NBk7AcmUKrGfQ== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 19:19:44 -0000 I ask the last question because the handbook states that "/boot/defaults/loader.conf" is read before "/boot/loader.conf" in stage three of the boot process. the relevant portion of the handbook states: "The loader will then read |/boot/loader.rc|, which by default reads in |/boot/defaults/loader.conf| which sets reasonable defaults for variables and reads |/boot/loader.conf| for local changes to those variables. |loader.rc| then acts on these variables, loading whichever modules and kernel are selected. " However my loader.rc doesn't mention this file //-----------------------Begin cut-n-paste \ Loader.rc \ $FreeBSD: release/10.0.0/sys/boot/i386/loader/loader.rc 151874 2005-10-30 05:41:42Z scottl $ \ \ Includes additional commands include /boot/loader.4th \ Reads and processes loader.conf variables start \ Tests for password -- executes autoboot first if a password was defined check-password \ Load in the boot menu include /boot/beastie.4th \ Start the boot menu beastie-start //---------------------end cut-n-paste Suggestions? Remember, this is common to default installs of 10.1 RC, and fresh default installs of 10.0. So there is a common denominator here..... I just don;t know where or who to ask for resolution. My issue is solved by me moving the module over....But that is not going to solve the issue for other NVidia users who do a clean or new install....And especially for new users to FreeBSD installing for their first time... Thank you for assistance, Sincerely and respectfully, Dave On 10/12/14 12:44, Michael Sierchio wrote: > On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Dave wrote: > >> I researched where the loader looks for modules, and it looks like >> /boot/modules is not in it's search path. /boot/modules was where the nvidia >> module was put after I built it from ports. > kudzu@daggoo:~ 204> sysctl kern.module_path > kern.module_path: /boot/kernel;/boot/modules > > you could add this to your /boot/loader.conf > > module_path="/boot/kernel;/boot/modules" # Set the module search path > > - M > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 12 19:26:55 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1CC3453C for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 19:26:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D268AD9F for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 19:26:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-30-92.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.30.92]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6150927621; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 21:26:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id s9CJQn7e002342; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 21:26:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 21:26:49 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Dave Babb Subject: Re: SOLVED WITH QUESTIONS Re: Latest NVidia Driver Issue Message-Id: <20141012212649.27a9419b.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <543AD258.5000307@comcast.net> References: <5439F046.60204@comcast.net> <543ABF08.10701@comcast.net> <543AD258.5000307@comcast.net> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 19:26:55 -0000 On Sun, 12 Oct 2014 13:11:20 -0600, Dave Babb wrote: > I do appreciate the reply. Thank You! > > I have a question...This option is already unremmed in the > /boot/defaults/loader.conf...... > > Should I understand that if a "/boot/loader.conf" file exists......that > the "/boot/defaults/loader.conf" file is ignored? No. Similarly to the precedence mechanism of /etc/rc.conf and /etc/defaults/loader.conf, the defaults file is _first_ read, it sets the defaults. Only those which are overridden with the user's "normal" file will be changed. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 12 20:37:19 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 79C66366 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 20:37:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oi0-f43.google.com (mail-oi0-f43.google.com [209.85.218.43]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4519061B for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 20:37:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oi0-f43.google.com with SMTP id u20so11278685oif.2 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 13:37:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=eIX+/Au/EteqiaW5k6em+u2oD+dmYoQqxB9FFjA34qQ=; b=gSmBoz6GxiqwYBaup8yZ6qOBMgfyGgIucfB9QSZn2MJySYMh54Ft7PsKLIlCshAeNB t54ydp0QsJSRM0iqowe9Sjt8BDP2FcoczKmxW65mvRgysmKKOJio9AgGjRm4mougMuk9 9NgMpT/qtsKo4gKNah6vAVxej5JgFTBnBs+HiG21VhRBdO9GEWea9vys53yPisUi9MMF 0cmONebgcUiaZJl6G/007seVOMiQEb6M77QRAWNSjddkJjOzbSak+gya20nq4jFwgjxS f7JDUzxu+oTlzU4iFl+SjaF2VMGdc8iP7GfRd1WkUeZwPAQDx/MZbKkJ2bW8H6PV9MLH +7cA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQm3stFH/XgWU4vtfMJ2Cv5UbDxwIJVVF8WpGDDC1MMeCr57A37YhRvpGxqvllRZYCeR0+t4 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.202.104.32 with SMTP id d32mr16655023oic.45.1413146232120; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 13:37:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.220.134 with HTTP; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 13:37:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <543AD258.5000307@comcast.net> References: <5439F046.60204@comcast.net> <543ABF08.10701@comcast.net> <543AD258.5000307@comcast.net> Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 13:37:12 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: SOLVED WITH QUESTIONS Re: Latest NVidia Driver Issue From: Michael Sierchio To: Dave Babb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 20:37:19 -0000 On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 12:11 PM, Dave Babb wrote: > I do appreciate the reply. Thank You! > > I have a question...This option is already unremmed in the > /boot/defaults/loader.conf...... > Should I understand that if a "/boot/loader.conf" file exists......that > the "/boot/defaults/loader.conf" file is ignored? No. It contains defaults, and you should never modify this file. Overrides (and additions) go in /boot/loader.conf > I would appreciate the clarification in how "loader" works. Sometimes you need to do a sysctl -a and see what tunables are available. Some can be changed in a running system, and some are boot-only. The former should go in /etc/sysctl.conf, and the latter must go in /boot/loader.conf in order to be meaningful. man loader.conf - M From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 12 21:22:52 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BCE81FB7 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 21:22:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lb0-x22f.google.com (mail-lb0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c04::22f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4719CB53 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 21:22:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f175.google.com with SMTP id u10so5578223lbd.34 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 14:22:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Myt4SYbZGP+EItTu7U+NY+xDnaReZNZ6yoBGBq67+sc=; b=HxcK+V+tbyR73PuEeY/5ebU0nExzI1/ZEQYnq5/AfBevhgfCWE0wt53eVhnekyA3BN v+yZAwSaXUV3x5yNwuHijtBr9NGVXvSS2CdRYVcAvsnAl/ghfOBu1HHqVL6g/TCpPL7M ecdMqNJFC88oxXp4d/J9/BNL0hAo0pB2Cw4ADUETul2jdyI0HaQEDplepAEoKTSNjs+e BQ7gflYtsmS6vwYUExLl/djdpL1cwVOX7i2GJpFv4InJixXEtZqvLTpZdEIeahFOVJ5b 2mSnMwf62FWbTxhHtPO/ckkwuaWjZRm6U8lX/ZQokyNKCHnPEMOKCKbzTADEnbwC1Cqo 95nQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.219.3 with SMTP id pk3mr19973603lbc.14.1413148970190; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 14:22:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.25.4.3 with HTTP; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 14:22:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 16:22:50 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Trouble installing on uefi machine From: Brian Wood To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 21:22:52 -0000 On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Brian Wood wrote: > > I've tried installing Beta3 and RC1 > > FreeBSD-10.1-RC1-amd64-uefi-memstick.img > > on a machine, but in both cases it hangs. The > last thing printed is: > > acpi0: on motherboard > > > It's an HP desktop with quad core I5 cpu. > What do you suggest? Thanks. > > I've tried it now with FreeBSD-10.1-RC2-amd64-uefi-memstick.img and it hangs. The last line is the same as above. The second to the last line is: module_register_init: MOD_LOAD (vesa, 0xffffffff80d92410, 0) error 19 Is there any advice other than waiting for RC3? -- Brian Ebenezer Enterprises - So far G-d has helped us. http://webEbenezer.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 12 21:59:06 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AA636978 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 21:59:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net [IPv6:2001:558:fe21:29:69:252:207:44]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "Bizanga Labs SMTP Client Certificate", Issuer "Bizanga Labs CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6E2E1DDB for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 21:59:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from resomta-ch2-07v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.103]) by resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id 2Myw1p0032EPM3101Mz5EC; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 21:59:05 +0000 Received: from CurlySr.dbis.net ([50.183.226.175]) by resomta-ch2-07v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id 2Mz31p00V3nhSLa01Mz4qr; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 21:59:05 +0000 Message-ID: <543AF9A7.9060103@comcast.net> Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 15:59:03 -0600 From: Dave Babb User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Misbehaving /boot/loader.conf References: <5439F046.60204@comcast.net> <543ABF08.10701@comcast.net> <543AD258.5000307@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20140121; t=1413151145; bh=v0UdjNizLSjYnCO3X/ZXje+Ue3U+3aCBsvC2H5yc4pE=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=R3VQ1bvWRx8tib3nBlQ3nY95IJNTW/uiJJSVHQgay64tGiuSDzsrrS3CE3C+1cbdF hRnESfTx8+bymy0DFmbGMHe7L9E3U2Hf3Zcs0ThTVsLJBwXnDYzZ4WQznmeKkov9yS k2QvhGNDfJY55hvlYtrWDqP2lQh35TrKCna4mfc/Vh3tM62qzilEwkFBd7Gcq5mQW9 SEzVa0O9Tl0sElZ6cMH119/3Cxi/2TC94Z4PlBCrEBMH6rDlHY49ZSJl35Hbp4UmJE sLS/8k46hUslw7nmqubt9m+cJ6z23QZk7K8mDvpGeFQYCxs0vz1j7UY5rmKNuIuT4D 5elecJSxxsC3Q== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 21:59:06 -0000 Good Afternoon All, When I list : "nvidia_load="YES"" in my /boot/loader.conf....the loader dies after doing a register dump on the screen. I have validated that the kernel module is indeed in "/boot/modules"....I can kldload it and have it operate just fine if I boot without the loader line enabled. If I copy the modult into the /boot/kernel/ dir....then the "nvidia_load="YES" line operates properly. I have validated that "/boot/defaults/loader.conf" does indeed have a line that is unremmed that points correctly to both the kernel and module paths as search paths for modules. Following another responders reply...I have performed a "sysctl kern.module_path" and it returns what I expected "kern.module_path: /boot/kernel;/boot/modules" I also performed a "kldconfig -r" and received the response of "/boot/kernel;/boot/modules" It is clear that I am configured properly......But it is also clear that something else is wrong. This behavior now spans three new system installs..... Assistance in resolving would be sincerely appreciated. Sincerely and respectfully, Dave From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 12 22:14:00 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 50F0CEEC for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 22:14:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from resqmta-ch2-05v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-05v.sys.comcast.net [IPv6:2001:558:fe21:29:69:252:207:37]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "Bizanga Labs SMTP Client Certificate", Issuer "Bizanga Labs CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 06BE9F7C for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 22:13:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from resomta-ch2-19v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.115]) by resqmta-ch2-05v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id 2NDz1p0022VvR6D01NDz4A; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 22:13:59 +0000 Received: from CurlySr.dbis.net ([50.183.226.175]) by resomta-ch2-19v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id 2NDy1p00D3nhSLa01NDyHX; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 22:13:58 +0000 Message-ID: <543AFD26.1030505@comcast.net> Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 16:13:58 -0600 From: Dave Babb User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Misbehaving /boot/loader.conf References: <5439F046.60204@comcast.net> <543ABF08.10701@comcast.net> <543AD258.5000307@comcast.net> <543AF9A7.9060103@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <543AF9A7.9060103@comcast.net> DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20140121; t=1413152039; bh=cfXKP6tE0kd9zRB1lqRIO9d1ak2+l3yYrEUWJuGXySA=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=Ad9pGNHUirkuZlZQReeGQHWwBbHKQVruiljnswnnylxea/LRQKBFAeXUFQS7TNsxh dBaYrt/ostXK3RvybRzP7W0rW+VG3S3y21Wpuzu6c6qiZ7fL5JelyZCGG949qX703V wUS7ynip9l6UDZfx6g8HPszUQE0vM3K4kC2etq/sqnFfBlRU4t+WTrwbHDuFVW+Z6m S0hZENd3Pflg/nmYUOkPC9qITCozPtuISQw0X2+XI3DDup4j2aiBTLX5Z92JgNbKMk CwVmTQ14mQXyYwDztgf6xQTDuR5A3Bqly/mL15Hl3sr9P+8eqx8o/Ah+k63aalCD8J Vwr3uRfSw3Bjw== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 22:14:00 -0000 I have done some experimentation on my system. It appears that the loader is dying on the "/boot/defaults/loader.conf" file....becasue that is the last file listed when the loader dies. Also, I added the "module_path" entries as suggested below into /boot/loader.conf...with no changes in the result. It appears that the culprit is "/boot/defaults/loader.conf"...but in reviewing it...I cannot see any spelling errors at all. And it clearly sets the module_load path to both /boot/kernel and /boot/modules..... But for whatever reason....loader is ignoring the path to the /boot/modules....and is only looking at /boot/kernel path...even though it is configured otherwise. Ideas? Suggestions? Sincerely and respectfully, Dave On 10/12/14 15:59, Dave Babb wrote: > Good Afternoon All, > > > When I list : > > "nvidia_load="YES"" in my /boot/loader.conf....the loader dies after > doing a register dump on the screen. > > I have validated that the kernel module is indeed in > "/boot/modules"....I can kldload it and have it operate just fine if I > boot without the loader line enabled. > > If I copy the modult into the /boot/kernel/ dir....then the > "nvidia_load="YES" line operates properly. > > I have validated that "/boot/defaults/loader.conf" does indeed have a > line that is unremmed that points correctly to both the kernel and > module paths as search paths for modules. > > Following another responders reply...I have performed a "sysctl > kern.module_path" and it returns what I expected "kern.module_path: > /boot/kernel;/boot/modules" > > I also performed a "kldconfig -r" and received the response of > "/boot/kernel;/boot/modules" > > > It is clear that I am configured properly......But it is also clear that > something else is wrong. This behavior now spans three new system > installs..... > > > Assistance in resolving would be sincerely appreciated. > > > Sincerely and respectfully, > > > Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 12 22:38:44 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ECD2D6B5 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 22:38:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from resqmta-po-01v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-01v.sys.comcast.net [IPv6:2001:558:fe16:19:96:114:154:160]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "Bizanga Labs SMTP Client Certificate", Issuer "Bizanga Labs CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BAA7925F for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 22:38:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from resomta-po-20v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.244]) by resqmta-po-01v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id 2Neh1p0055Geu2801NeiHz; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 22:38:42 +0000 Received: from CurlySr.dbis.net ([50.183.226.175]) by resomta-po-20v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id 2Neg1p00G3nhSLa01Neih2; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 22:38:42 +0000 Message-ID: <543B02F0.4010005@comcast.net> Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 16:38:40 -0600 From: Dave Babb User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: [CANCEL] Re: Misbehaving /boot/loader.conf References: <5439F046.60204@comcast.net> <543ABF08.10701@comcast.net> <543AD258.5000307@comcast.net> <543AF9A7.9060103@comcast.net> <543AFD26.1030505@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <543AFD26.1030505@comcast.net> DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20140121; t=1413153522; bh=oCZGWrQH0pCE/26ZJxj9QSIqOlpNY3Dq6/Ask1xLwrk=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=wr87rRrZsmgoY4d66L2FxeQ/D/Gi/cA4gmDhS/nuQlXMIDjExUchsVlr7on7/h0To WEHCN91wOH+VVMbkaubXL+s5zOYMQee4gHepr4Flj6iyE4RbL+ehAK1XmJhFAeTGUG 1hCzMcMPbpEih2GBugdTLeHTd/9/xhOdDXxvx3o8O7XA/oH9uR+Arw4w676GZLWXSG JQ328pp+PadeuuG+uwYmIIyG9WAM57u8cL4iEviecKz+vmqpAbpGrugnRDkYhX9VoD 0y82AtX5aOe/1pUEuegITEixPbKOPrpzomhYbBg0l2T8yH1/5fEHMKuw/ZcIT0nMQG AtVH9JCvEoU9w== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 22:38:44 -0000 Someone has reported this bug to the maintainers. I couldn't find reported bugs when I searched for "nvidia" but found them when I searched for "loader.conf". It is indeed a bug...and it may be related to changes to the loader to accomodate UEFI equipped machines. There are two solves... #1: Put the module into /boot/kernel as I have done. #2: Or manually load the module from rc.conf with kld_load="modulename" So the issue is not specific to me nor my systems. FYI folks. Sincerely and respectfully, Dave On 10/12/14 16:13, Dave Babb wrote: > I have done some experimentation on my system. It appears that the > loader is dying on the "/boot/defaults/loader.conf" file....becasue that > is the last file listed when the loader dies. > > Also, I added the "module_path" entries as suggested below into > /boot/loader.conf...with no changes in the result. > > It appears that the culprit is "/boot/defaults/loader.conf"...but in > reviewing it...I cannot see any spelling errors at all. And it clearly > sets the module_load path to both /boot/kernel and /boot/modules..... > > But for whatever reason....loader is ignoring the path to the > /boot/modules....and is only looking at /boot/kernel path...even though > it is configured otherwise. > > > Ideas? Suggestions? > > > Sincerely and respectfully, > > > Dave > > > > On 10/12/14 15:59, Dave Babb wrote: >> Good Afternoon All, >> >> >> When I list : >> >> "nvidia_load="YES"" in my /boot/loader.conf....the loader dies after >> doing a register dump on the screen. >> >> I have validated that the kernel module is indeed in >> "/boot/modules"....I can kldload it and have it operate just fine if I >> boot without the loader line enabled. >> >> If I copy the modult into the /boot/kernel/ dir....then the >> "nvidia_load="YES" line operates properly. >> >> I have validated that "/boot/defaults/loader.conf" does indeed have a >> line that is unremmed that points correctly to both the kernel and >> module paths as search paths for modules. >> >> Following another responders reply...I have performed a "sysctl >> kern.module_path" and it returns what I expected "kern.module_path: >> /boot/kernel;/boot/modules" >> >> I also performed a "kldconfig -r" and received the response of >> "/boot/kernel;/boot/modules" >> >> >> It is clear that I am configured properly......But it is also clear that >> something else is wrong. This behavior now spans three new system >> installs..... >> >> >> Assistance in resolving would be sincerely appreciated. >> >> >> Sincerely and respectfully, >> >> >> Dave >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 13 00:05:33 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 580B352E for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 00:05:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lb0-x22a.google.com (mail-lb0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c04::22a]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D8C46C13 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 00:05:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f170.google.com with SMTP id u10so5649057lbd.29 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 17:05:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=wzwKVmwHxfcocwY4KMVew1FwjlifOXWrDQqgO3AXNRs=; b=JeYui5cE3Koe++K8oG68xyXz3vK+usJbjE3O9NBIJdM3CQUaZq+0e7uRsdOlK9LprH akNtB3TTZH4uZvaUWb740BRFz2r5ZAMMmqBZ+bsmYThetwhUvZcMz1SjbctdI16wzLQy 16JvoS+1YwcEwNSVg1n71U9wEYnsxAgRGuFtkTEUxBezr2HrckfR6OC22eDm00QaVmT9 TzxqslPi+FZeXWajjViL209KkIbXEPwCMWWxd0F4CpwkAAUlOBGr8zlDKCz6PzQYj4EH GTtpxXkjrIUPb60Ivfo4mGzaFTA90Qt3Tz2RkJrFvJiOAsgpCI+4DJ514XrBFqo6vqlr MLcA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.209.2 with SMTP id mi2mr20173295lbc.51.1413158730752; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 17:05:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.25.215.29 with HTTP; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 17:05:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 17:05:30 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: RFID tag read/write on FreeBSD From: Waitman Gobble To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 00:05:33 -0000 Hi, If you are wanting to read and write RFID tags (for like tracking people, and stuff) on FreeBSD I am working on software based on the Impinj R2000 chipset. The SDK/demos are in c# / .NET, which runs in 'mono' but the mono people have apparently omitted the code for serial port callback functions so it basically sits there.. which is useless IMHO. So it looked to me like more work to make the code do what i need it to, at least in my application, instead of starting from scratch. Anyhow at the moment it's performing basic functions and reading tags.. writing tags soon. ie, # ./rfid Connected to /dev/cuaU0 at 115200 baud. RFID read/write tags Control-C or Q to quit, R to Read Tag Received Command: 72 Firmware Version: 1.9 r Received Command: 81 Tag: [pc 30 0] [epc e2 0 57 76 76 6 1 52 5 90 d7 5f] [crc 7f 6] [data e2 0 57 76] [ant 1] [cnt 1] It's free. https://github.com/waitman/rfid builds with clang but needs boost port. i presume it may work with the RS500, R500 or R1000 chips but I've not any of those to test. -- Waitman Gobble Los Altos California USA 510-830-7975 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 13 03:45:42 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1A3CE8A2 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 03:45:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-la0-x229.google.com (mail-la0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::229]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8006D2C5 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 03:45:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f41.google.com with SMTP id pn19so6011703lab.14 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 20:45:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=n9AlqAJEliw3pQmvCRuXfpr589Molj18ByIUetEb/+o=; b=hwGSdqAN9geBlrR+7Mkwel60NuERb9rewHe0SfDpSVtSlwpljtsKh1mN7wiMCSdRe2 ksglBo0f3CZY8uR7RqCh9Y4tcqzzTx46eh63SV7+MAo0mjSeP5jL1heRHsgBaSimtmSa j+u++i05C8HGcQInNf8QD3Sdrc/eKlNJyRSkFBXXe9rr61XePjbN21b1q5qM3aDppLVv h15KTc1OmJqtwzxRrr7iy20dl3PBvQ01J+jnVLG7QKyQWDiWWchn3U1ZwHYu/ZbyHzPP 2G+VKxeJzB4yQrHSHhTd9RiXdaJ561dlKlvECKWPL5Btmp1SO7t6OiPdlL7OQKLEonZ3 B4NQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.170.165 with SMTP id an5mr21299098lbc.6.1413171938905; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 20:45:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.25.215.29 with HTTP; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 20:45:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 20:45:38 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: RFID tag read/write on FreeBSD From: Waitman Gobble To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 03:45:42 -0000 On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 5:05 PM, Waitman Gobble wrote: > Hi, > > If you are wanting to read and write RFID tags (for like tracking people, > and stuff) on FreeBSD I am working on software based on the Impinj R2000 > chipset. The SDK/demos are in c# / .NET, which runs in 'mono' but the mono > people have apparently omitted the code for serial port callback functions > so it basically sits there.. which is useless IMHO. So it looked to me like > more work to make the code do what i need it to, at least in my > application, instead of starting from scratch. > > Anyhow at the moment it's performing basic functions and reading tags.. > writing tags soon. > > ie, > > # ./rfid > Connected to /dev/cuaU0 at 115200 baud. > RFID read/write tags > Control-C or Q to quit, > R to Read Tag > > Received Command: 72 > Firmware Version: 1.9 > r > Received Command: 81 > Tag: [pc 30 0] [epc e2 0 57 76 76 6 1 52 5 90 d7 5f] [crc 7f 6] [data e2 0 > 57 76] [ant 1] [cnt 1] > > It's free. > > https://github.com/waitman/rfid > > builds with clang but needs boost port. i presume it may work with the > RS500, R500 or R1000 chips but I've not any of those to test. > > -- > Waitman Gobble > Los Altos California USA > 510-830-7975 > Update, writing tags now works. Also tested on PR9200 chip, Phychips. Which is apparently optimized for "Fast Moving Consumer Goods". so if you want to track those kinds of things instead of people. After I talked to some people I now understand the protocol is mostly standardized so it might be good to turn this into a port, since it should theoretically work with all the modern RFID chipsets. And "AFAIK" RFID tag stuff has been limited to MS OS computers. # ./rfid Connected to /dev/cuaU0 at 115200 baud. RFID read/write tags Control-C or Q to quit, R to Read Tag W to Write Tag Received Command: 72 Firmware Version: 1.9 r Received Command: 81 Tag: [pc 30 0] [epc 11 22 33 44 76 6 1 52 5 90 d7 5f] [crc 8a 6] [data 11 22 33 44] [ant 1] [cnt 1] w Write Tag. Now enter data on one line. Four bytes separated by SPACEs. Example: 11 22 33 44 55 77 88 33 Received Command: 82 Tag Write Operation Complete. Read Tag to confirm data. r Received Command: 81 Tag: [pc 30 0] [epc 55 77 88 33 76 6 1 52 5 90 d7 5f] [crc 6a 2f] [data 55 77 88 33] [ant 1] [cnt 1] q Note: At the moment it's hard-coded for 4 data bytes in EPC. This can be adjusted in the code, eventually may be entered as command. -- Waitman Gobble Los Altos California USA 510-830-7975 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 13 05:21:29 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C4D0D9F8 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 05:21:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.demon.co.uk (mdfmta010.mxout.tch.inty.net [91.221.169.51]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4E928D58 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 05:21:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.demon.co.uk (unknown [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mdfmta010.tch.inty.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C432A401113 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 06:14:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdfmta009.tch.inty.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mdfmta009.tch.inty.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C54812810D for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 06:14:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdfmta009.tch.inty.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mdfmta009.tch.inty.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E2861280E8 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 06:14:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from [192.168.254.7] (unknown [80.177.21.188]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mdfmta009.tch.inty.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 06:14:22 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <543B5FB2.6050300@sliderule.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 06:14:26 +0100 From: Steve Burton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFID tag read/write on FreeBSD References: In-Reply-To: X-MDF-HostID: 22 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 05:21:29 -0000 On 13/10/2014 04:45, Waitman Gobble wrote: > On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 5:05 PM, Waitman Gobble wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> If you are wanting to read and write RFID tags (for like tracking people, >> and stuff) on FreeBSD I am working on software based on the Impinj R2000 >> chipset. The SDK/demos are in c# / .NET, which runs in 'mono' but the mono >> people have apparently omitted the code for serial port callback functions >> so it basically sits there.. which is useless IMHO. So it looked to me like >> more work to make the code do what i need it to, at least in my >> application, instead of starting from scratch. >> >> Anyhow at the moment it's performing basic functions and reading tags.. >> writing tags soon. >> >> ie, >> >> # ./rfid >> Connected to /dev/cuaU0 at 115200 baud. >> RFID read/write tags >> Control-C or Q to quit, >> R to Read Tag >> >> Received Command: 72 >> Firmware Version: 1.9 >> r >> Received Command: 81 >> Tag: [pc 30 0] [epc e2 0 57 76 76 6 1 52 5 90 d7 5f] [crc 7f 6] [data e2 0 >> 57 76] [ant 1] [cnt 1] >> >> It's free. >> >> https://github.com/waitman/rfid >> >> builds with clang but needs boost port. i presume it may work with the >> RS500, R500 or R1000 chips but I've not any of those to test. >> >> -- >> Waitman Gobble >> Los Altos California USA >> 510-830-7975 >> > > Update, writing tags now works. > > Also tested on PR9200 chip, Phychips. Which is apparently optimized for > "Fast Moving Consumer Goods". so if you want to track those kinds of things > instead of people. After I talked to some people I now understand the > protocol is mostly standardized so it might be good to turn this into a > port, since it should theoretically work with all the modern RFID > chipsets. And "AFAIK" RFID tag stuff has been limited to MS OS computers. > > > > # ./rfid > Connected to /dev/cuaU0 at 115200 baud. > RFID read/write tags > Control-C or Q to quit, > R to Read Tag > W to Write Tag > > Received Command: 72 > Firmware Version: 1.9 > r > Received Command: 81 > Tag: [pc 30 0] [epc 11 22 33 44 76 6 1 52 5 90 d7 5f] [crc 8a 6] [data 11 > 22 33 44] [ant 1] [cnt 1] > w > Write Tag. Now enter data on one line. Four bytes separated by SPACEs. > Example: 11 22 33 44 > 55 77 88 33 > Received Command: 82 > Tag Write Operation Complete. Read Tag to confirm data. > r > Received Command: 81 > Tag: [pc 30 0] [epc 55 77 88 33 76 6 1 52 5 90 d7 5f] [crc 6a 2f] [data 55 > 77 88 33] [ant 1] [cnt 1] > q > > > Note: > > At the moment it's hard-coded for 4 data bytes in EPC. This can be adjusted > in the code, eventually may be entered as command. > > For what it's worth, RFID tag stuff is also available for MCU's (Arduino etc.). Steve. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 13 06:02:47 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 50CEF35E for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 06:02:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pochta-mx.canmos.ru (pochta-mx.canmos.ru [89.107.127.240]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 087C5171 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 06:02:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pochta-mx.canmos.ru (pochta-mx.canmos.ru [89.107.127.240]) by pochta-mx.canmos.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FCE72BD0262; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 09:54:04 +0400 (MSK) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2-pochta_20120910 (2011-06-06) on pochta.canmos.ru X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.3.2-pochta_20120910 Received: from sta1.canmos.ru (sta1.canmos.ru [89.107.124.11]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: 105@5798000.ru) by pochta-mx.canmos.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 09:54:04 +0400 (MSK) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 09:52:48 +0400 (MSK) From: "Igor V. Ruzanov" To: Daniel Corbe Subject: Re: Freeing wired memory In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: X-GPG-PUBLIC-KEY: 1024D/494AF6DC 2008-03-20 Igor V. Ruzanov X-GPG-FINGERPRINT: A723 B6CC 11ED A4E2 1909 C4DC 6EDE 9089 494A F6DC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 06:02:47 -0000 As said Anton aerlier, wired its kernel memory. So called unpageble regions "living" in a RAM (physical memory). | |There's an application running on one of my hosts which has a memory |leak in it. It ends up consuming a fair chunk of available RAM: | |Mem: 2312M Active, 69M Inact, 13G Wired, 39M Cache, 1684M Buf, 354M Free | |My understanding is Wired memory is memory that may not necessarily be |in use but it is reserved for applications that either have at one point |needed it or may need it in the future. | |I'll kill the app in another few days or so because calls to malloc() |will begin to fail across the board. | |But my main problem right now is I usually have to reboot the box |because killing the app and restarting it does NOT return any memory to |the free pool. | |The step I'd like to avoid here is rebooting the box. | |So I'm obviously missing something. | |-Daniel |_______________________________________________ |freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list |http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions |To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" | +-------------------------------------------+ ! 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Ruzanov, network operational staff! ! e-Mail: igorr@canmos.ru ! +-------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 13 09:13:32 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0E82CB46 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 09:13:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ipmail06.adl6.internode.on.net (ipmail06.adl6.internode.on.net [150.101.137.145]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A4D0826 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 09:13:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ppp118-210-8-90.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net (HELO leader.local) ([118.210.8.90]) by ipmail06.adl6.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 13 Oct 2014 19:43:28 +1030 Message-ID: <543B97AA.3030903@ShaneWare.Biz> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 19:43:14 +1030 From: Shane Ambler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Sierchio , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: SOLVED WITH QUESTIONS Re: Latest NVidia Driver Issue References: <5439F046.60204@comcast.net> <543ABF08.10701@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 09:13:32 -0000 On 13/10/2014 05:14, Michael Sierchio wrote: > On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Dave wrote: > >> I researched where the loader looks for modules, and it looks like >> /boot/modules is not in it's search path. /boot/modules was where the nvidia >> module was put after I built it from ports. I'm on 10.1 RC2 and /boot/defaults/loader.conf contains module_path="/boot/modules" I see the same line in 8.4 9.3 and 10.0 > kudzu@daggoo:~ 204> sysctl kern.module_path > kern.module_path: /boot/kernel;/boot/modules > > you could add this to your /boot/loader.conf > > module_path="/boot/kernel;/boot/modules" # Set the module search path I have mine set to kern.module_path=/boot/kernel;/boot/modules;/usr/local/modules Ports like sysutils/fusefs_kmod and emulators/rtc install into /usr/local/modules -- FreeBSD - the place to B...Software Developing Shane Ambler From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 13 11:38:14 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8B9EB728 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 11:38:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oi0-x229.google.com (mail-oi0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::229]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 56E3B777 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 11:38:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oi0-f41.google.com with SMTP id u20so12695681oif.28 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 04:38:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=ioqaL+UuSKFXmENhZiNhxAcK5NfsROfTu2+xhOfTmSg=; b=IbsDwDSdpr1w9TtS4PB/UuWANUASSwWCkqyQkgyBhHJIR/RP/WXV31F40D3XmYULqe E7ThGnQRx55Xc9wIpMWozwZ9PhRHTgPwqvuQ6+xaDYxw860F2MX2IjRZmDo4ehKdawiC HjnspvT1wOjexzm13XDttzEa+nZVwpUJOg7quCRsQMLUNbdBBHJjtG71sO0rTEJucV5H XsZ/dKpgn3gBq8NMG66bGFQFjYVhBNfKhqQcmeUE0uujFZL3p4WuGT+gdnAQEzycYX0A 0O0wkaJDIr1rXgD5KvgG/etgAv2zmHgDevujRBxOmDi67rbGRsYs/eShcQqnfWH1A1Zn Ck0g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.215.131 with SMTP id oi3mr21428058obc.2.1413200293533; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 04:38:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.202.220.139 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 04:38:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 15:38:13 +0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Freeing wired memory From: Konstantin To: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: Daniel Corbe X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 11:38:14 -0000 2014-10-13 9:52 GMT+04:00 Igor V. Ruzanov : > As said Anton aerlier, wired its kernel memory. So called unpageble > regions "living" in a RAM (physical memory). > > | > |There's an application running on one of my hosts which has a memory > |leak in it. It ends up consuming a fair chunk of available RAM: > | > |Mem: 2312M Active, 69M Inact, 13G Wired, 39M Cache, 1684M Buf, 354M Free > | > |My understanding is Wired memory is memory that may not necessarily be > |in use but it is reserved for applications that either have at one point > |needed it or may need it in the future. > | > |I'll kill the app in another few days or so because calls to malloc() > |will begin to fail across the board. > | > |But my main problem right now is I usually have to reboot the box > |because killing the app and restarting it does NOT return any memory to > |the free pool. > | > |The step I'd like to avoid here is rebooting the box. > | > |So I'm obviously missing something. > | > |-Daniel > |_______________________________________________ > |freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > |http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > |To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > | > > +-------------------------------------------+ > ! CANMOS ISP Network ! > +-------------------------------------------+ > ! Best regards ! > ! Igor V. Ruzanov, network operational staff! > ! e-Mail: igorr@canmos.ru ! > +-------------------------------------------+ > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Hi. It looks like zfs ARC. 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[94.193.246.113]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ko10sm4993134wjb.48.2014.10.13.04.46.52 for (version=SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 13 Oct 2014 04:46:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 12:46:49 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sh man page .... Message-ID: <20141013124649.4082d94f@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <5438755B.2000108@hiwaay.net> References: <5437FB8B.9080008@hiwaay.net> <20141010183814.3ae32a05@gumby.homeunix.com> <5438755B.2000108@hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.10.1 (GTK+ 2.24.22; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 11:46:56 -0000 On Fri, 10 Oct 2014 19:10:03 -0500 William A. Mahaffey III wrote: > Straight out of the script which is failing. Under linux, if I call > the script w/ no '-s #' option, the variable 'slept' is not set, & > linux (or more accurately linux bash) evaluates that to the value oif > zero (0). > > > [wam@kabini1, ~, 7:07:22pm] 386 % sh > $ if [ 0 -lt $(($slept)) ] ; then echo -n "$cmd: sleeping $slept secs > ...." ; sleep $(($slept)) ; echo " done." ; fi > arithmetic expression: expecting primary: "" > [wam@kabini1, ~, 7:07:45pm] 387 % The problem here is that you have: [ 0 -lt $(($slept)) ] If you change it to the normal usage [ 0 -lt $((slept)) ] it works as expected. Is there any particular reason for the extra "$"? I guess the difference is not in the handling of uninitialised variables, but specifically in the handling of $(()) which is an error in sh, but not is bash. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 13 12:08:25 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F384CF8F for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 12:08:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BE9CBA59 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 12:08:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kabini1.local (rbn1-216-180-19-48.adsl.hiwaay.net [216.180.19.48]) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id s9DC8GVr022348 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 07:08:17 -0500 Message-ID: <543BC227.50004@hiwaay.net> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 07:14:31 -0500 From: "William A. Mahaffey III" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sh man page .... References: <5437FB8B.9080008@hiwaay.net> <20141010183814.3ae32a05@gumby.homeunix.com> <5438755B.2000108@hiwaay.net> <20141013124649.4082d94f@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20141013124649.4082d94f@gumby.homeunix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 12:08:25 -0000 On 10/13/14 06:46, RW wrote: > On Fri, 10 Oct 2014 19:10:03 -0500 > William A. Mahaffey III wrote: > > >> Straight out of the script which is failing. Under linux, if I call >> the script w/ no '-s #' option, the variable 'slept' is not set, & >> linux (or more accurately linux bash) evaluates that to the value oif >> zero (0). >> >> >> [wam@kabini1, ~, 7:07:22pm] 386 % sh >> $ if [ 0 -lt $(($slept)) ] ; then echo -n "$cmd: sleeping $slept secs >> ...." ; sleep $(($slept)) ; echo " done." ; fi >> arithmetic expression: expecting primary: "" >> [wam@kabini1, ~, 7:07:45pm] 387 % > > The problem here is that you have: > > [ 0 -lt $(($slept)) ] > > If you change it to the normal usage > > [ 0 -lt $((slept)) ] > > it works as expected. > > Is there any particular reason for the extra "$"? > > I guess the difference is not in the handling of uninitialised > variables, but specifically in the handling of $(()) which is an error > in sh, but not is bash. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Good question. I am *not* a bash/shell wiz, but I think the extra "$" was needed to get bash to behave (Linux, FC14 64-bit, i.e. a bit dated). Not 100% on that, but pretty sure .... -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 13 13:13:18 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 05562F54 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 13:13:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wi0-x233.google.com (mail-wi0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::233]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 81ED212D for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 13:13:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wi0-f179.google.com with SMTP id d1so7401789wiv.6 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 06:13:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=BmNi0OOvBQ533kAVIPyyB1bHr16NsEIg67vLHtVTMW0=; b=O353CgrQXxJrkwqiKRERx8YafpHXeIAFMHV+uyGTzIe+y6GYcRUjuTc8L8N8bnKnpa RFTwh7BqxRAd4Is9gjyyt2aUz75vcBN4ijc2nKweE0fIZ1KZ7gO3KBjaKjekrMtQXCVo Mo87Dd5wQ13ZNMBV3kQ9vTesI95WoXqeGBLSHh3Cf9dJorV22DwoOxjv9ht3Qd2Nhvxs hZ3xZ/bQoe52RowY/lgCDaVmaXvcAaXZehrlx0RWvRG3aYgnSokcY8Og87wEdInl8+a3 tObLp3dwVMFZYpiNFtZ2o5I3PjqUNrnf9yasFQkkT2MkrQ+CAJROE8Y43KE8SL8PM7yg Bchg== X-Received: by 10.180.96.226 with SMTP id dv2mr811435wib.48.1413205993470; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 06:13:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (5ec1f671.skybroadband.com. 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Message-ID: <20141013141309.16b0edb8@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <543BC227.50004@hiwaay.net> References: <5437FB8B.9080008@hiwaay.net> <20141010183814.3ae32a05@gumby.homeunix.com> <5438755B.2000108@hiwaay.net> <20141013124649.4082d94f@gumby.homeunix.com> <543BC227.50004@hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.10.1 (GTK+ 2.24.22; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 13:13:18 -0000 On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 07:14:31 -0500 William A. Mahaffey III wrote: > On 10/13/14 06:46, RW wrote: > > On Fri, 10 Oct 2014 19:10:03 -0500 > > The problem here is that you have: > > > > [ 0 -lt $(($slept)) ] > > > > If you change it to the normal usage > > > > [ 0 -lt $((slept)) ] > > > > it works as expected. > > > > Is there any particular reason for the extra "$"? > > > > I guess the difference is not in the handling of uninitialised > > variables, but specifically in the handling of $(()) which is an > > error in sh, but not is bash. > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > Good question. I am *not* a bash/shell wiz, but I think the extra "$" > was needed to get bash to behave (Linux, FC14 64-bit, i.e. a bit > dated). Not 100% on that, but pretty sure .... I suspect you are mixing-up the inner and outer "$". $((slept)) will evaluate to a number whether or not slept is defined, which is what is needed. I can't see that the inner "$" in $(($slept) does anything useful in bash. Just to be clear what I think is happening is that $(($slept) is equivalent to $((slept)) when slept is defined and $(()) when it isn't. And in bash $ echo $(( x )) 0 $ echo $(( )) 0 and sh $ echo $(( x )) 0 $ echo $(( )) arithmetic expression: expecting primary: " " This is a much less significant difference than the handling of uninitialized variables would be. $x in POSIX arithmetic is almost always going to be a mistake and one that may produce hard to spot bugs, so I think treating $(( )) as an error is very sensible. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 13 14:11:12 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7EB91981 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 14:11:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lb0-x232.google.com (mail-lb0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c04::232]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EA77D991 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 14:11:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f178.google.com with SMTP id w7so6465298lbi.23 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 07:11:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=na+DymHR9b0OcLfkwvENZTmLNA0L5iopqWYIfO5f1HA=; b=vulyg+XIFfo1oaydwHlKNPTONswsyyPSZIjWa2y2q1YfoMZcegIrPLGsaoA19bL9tt l/rURYJeoWLlHTLU8KyXsq/ChaB1xCVG1dELPvphtZrE9O+a96yvsOFLftSW9n9lfLR0 CSWjenGt74QNg75wBCs4/ndywnUb2Khb0Q5suAk6h9OunyxmCPCPLsGOjODLh9c2D4Ui Hc76njyTIDGZ7zAjvyz3THixt2gzpf3I3fBZk9ZUvMvtm7vAYITb/Ye6uTodMo0v/Clv 7g2Z7QXwGeY4J2d87yISuSOxJqti9RODZKYO2SZs7zYe8aFvMX2IYGqJj764t93d2x5t hegA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.42.194 with SMTP id q2mr24478959lal.75.1413209468828; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 07:11:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.25.136.65 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 07:11:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <543B5FB2.6050300@sliderule.demon.co.uk> References: <543B5FB2.6050300@sliderule.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 07:11:08 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: RFID tag read/write on FreeBSD From: Waitman Gobble To: Steve Burton Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 14:11:12 -0000 On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 10:14 PM, Steve Burton wrote: > On 13/10/2014 04:45, Waitman Gobble wrote: > >> On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 5:05 PM, Waitman Gobble >> wrote: >> >> Hi, >>> >>> If you are wanting to read and write RFID tags (for like tracking people, >>> and stuff) on FreeBSD I am working on software based on the Impinj R2000 >>> chipset. The SDK/demos are in c# / .NET, which runs in 'mono' but the >>> mono >>> people have apparently omitted the code for serial port callback >>> functions >>> so it basically sits there.. which is useless IMHO. So it looked to me >>> like >>> more work to make the code do what i need it to, at least in my >>> application, instead of starting from scratch. >>> >>> Anyhow at the moment it's performing basic functions and reading tags.. >>> writing tags soon. >>> >>> ie, >>> >>> # ./rfid >>> Connected to /dev/cuaU0 at 115200 baud. >>> RFID read/write tags >>> Control-C or Q to quit, >>> R to Read Tag >>> >>> Received Command: 72 >>> Firmware Version: 1.9 >>> r >>> Received Command: 81 >>> Tag: [pc 30 0] [epc e2 0 57 76 76 6 1 52 5 90 d7 5f] [crc 7f 6] [data e2 >>> 0 >>> 57 76] [ant 1] [cnt 1] >>> >>> It's free. >>> >>> https://github.com/waitman/rfid >>> >>> builds with clang but needs boost port. i presume it may work with the >>> RS500, R500 or R1000 chips but I've not any of those to test. >>> >>> -- >>> Waitman Gobble >>> Los Altos California USA >>> 510-830-7975 >>> >>> >> Update, writing tags now works. >> >> Also tested on PR9200 chip, Phychips. Which is apparently optimized for >> "Fast Moving Consumer Goods". so if you want to track those kinds of >> things >> instead of people. After I talked to some people I now understand the >> protocol is mostly standardized so it might be good to turn this into a >> port, since it should theoretically work with all the modern RFID >> chipsets. And "AFAIK" RFID tag stuff has been limited to MS OS computers. >> >> >> >> # ./rfid >> Connected to /dev/cuaU0 at 115200 baud. >> RFID read/write tags >> Control-C or Q to quit, >> R to Read Tag >> W to Write Tag >> >> Received Command: 72 >> Firmware Version: 1.9 >> r >> Received Command: 81 >> Tag: [pc 30 0] [epc 11 22 33 44 76 6 1 52 5 90 d7 5f] [crc 8a 6] [data 11 >> 22 33 44] [ant 1] [cnt 1] >> w >> Write Tag. Now enter data on one line. Four bytes separated by SPACEs. >> Example: 11 22 33 44 >> 55 77 88 33 >> Received Command: 82 >> Tag Write Operation Complete. Read Tag to confirm data. >> r >> Received Command: 81 >> Tag: [pc 30 0] [epc 55 77 88 33 76 6 1 52 5 90 d7 5f] [crc 6a 2f] [data 55 >> 77 88 33] [ant 1] [cnt 1] >> q >> >> >> Note: >> >> At the moment it's hard-coded for 4 data bytes in EPC. This can be >> adjusted >> in the code, eventually may be entered as command. >> >> >> For what it's worth, RFID tag stuff is also available for MCU's (Arduino > etc.). > > Steve. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Hi Steve, Yes I've seen some products available, however they don't seem to fit my application. I need about a coverage area of 7 meter by 2 meter range, the MCU devices Ive found online seem more geared toward close contact (in centimeter ranges) like ID cards / key fobs / badges etc. Also I need to scan hundreds of tags within seconds. But I'm no expert, I'm learning. I haven't been lucky in finding open source software for the task. -- Waitman Gobble Los Altos California USA 510-830-7975 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 13 16:13:48 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0FD7FF7B for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 16:13:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from land.berklix.org (land.berklix.org [144.76.10.75]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 90504B51 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 16:13:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (pD9FBF110.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [217.251.241.16]) (authenticated bits=128) by land.berklix.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s9DGAMq6064171; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 16:10:23 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id s9DGDOh0030130; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 18:13:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id s9DGD5q4027308; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 18:13:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Message-Id: <201410131613.s9DGD5q4027308@fire.js.berklix.net> To: Waitman Gobble Subject: Re: RFID tag read/write on FreeBSD From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultants, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Sun, 12 Oct 2014 20:45:38 -0700." Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 18:13:05 +0200 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 16:13:48 -0000 Hi, Reference: > instead of people. After I talked to some people I now understand the > protocol is mostly standardized so it might be good to turn this into a > port, since it should theoretically work with all the modern RFID > chipsets. And "AFAIK" RFID tag stuff has been limited to MS OS computers. Nice of you offering to expand PD src for RFID :-) In case it helps, there was some discussion here http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-usb/2014-February/012813.html & possible some other thread before / since I recall, (I havent used RFID but do have an RFID card reader) Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Linux Unix C Sys Eng Consultant Munich http://berklix.com Indent previous with "> ". Interleave reply paragraphs like a play script. Send plain text, not quoted-printable, HTML, base64, or multipart/alternative. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 14 02:04:10 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 43E04E44 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 02:04:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.eskimo.com (mail.eskimo.com [204.122.16.4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2C23620D for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 02:04:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from shellx.eskimo.com (unknown [204.122.16.2]) by mail.eskimo.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D607527 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 18:56:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by shellx.eskimo.com (Postfix, from userid 51518) id 3B43D12D0; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 18:56:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 18:56:05 -0700 From: Joseph Olatt To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: panic: softdep_deallocate_dependencies: unrecovered I/O error Message-ID: <20141014015604.GA21563@shellx.eskimo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.4 at mail.eskimo.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 02:04:10 -0000 On an old Thinkpad T42 running the following: FreeBSD peanuts 10.0-RELEASE-p9 FreeBSD 10.0-RELEASE-p9 #0: Mon Sep 15 14:32:29 UTC 2014 root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 it kept crashing while trying to populate the ports tree (svnlite checkout https://svn0.../ports/head /usr/ports). The panic message was: panic: softdep_deallocate_dependencies: unrecovered I/O error The core.txt.* file is at: http://www.eskimo.com/~joji/core.txt.2 Searching the archives led me to bump the value of kern.bio_transient_maxcnt from 177 -> 1416 (a random value; 177 * 8). That stopped the crashes and I was able to run the entire ports tree population with a hitch. I'm wondering if there are other folks who have experienced the same problem and if the default value of kern.bio_transient_maxcnt in the 10.x release should be higher than the 177 I had. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 14 02:16:18 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BBD19171 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 02:16:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-la0-x22c.google.com (mail-la0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::22c]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 452ED32C for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 02:16:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f44.google.com with SMTP id hs14so7620361lab.31 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 19:16:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=b58pJhz9LTfMQK4ZCqsy8xUomZW44Tr5xvXP1UFEBsU=; b=rOh9JGZlFRyRt8rtfEFA6Pcc/jKcfAn2JS00GdFEXG3NVMUI5SdxKZP5cAA+P36gyI kvT9iGZOij0g6NuhRCJvY/78tK538xtAMhEoTmFyV3r6AdksEF5yGjogHY5C84LzfNtE x67IrDASCjUSfaJq/UQWCdhg1UKLoLpbIP/kewIyws8YUHiVcmHa6/lpi+lDxrFBs12H qN0hc7mEYpHBGCt1KCOq2rwHFgdUQlI9Ue3cKvrQB+qXKyGre0IYsLTG/XWwBmCvt156 VfOI6QOiJyT1er5GFzSqnBBF1NSHml7lZi6CxANh9j9ygfVi8A+O2qAsdLGM5ggdzM8G LcFQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.157.225 with SMTP id wp1mr2019269lbb.55.1413252976150; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 19:16:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.25.136.65 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 19:16:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201410131613.s9DGD5q4027308@fire.js.berklix.net> References: <201410131613.s9DGD5q4027308@fire.js.berklix.net> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 19:16:16 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: RFID tag read/write on FreeBSD From: Waitman Gobble To: "Julian H. Stacey" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 02:16:18 -0000 On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 9:13 AM, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > Hi, Reference: > > instead of people. After I talked to some people I now understand the > > protocol is mostly standardized so it might be good to turn this into a > > port, since it should theoretically work with all the modern RFID > > chipsets. And "AFAIK" RFID tag stuff has been limited to MS OS > computers. > > Nice of you offering to expand PD src for RFID :-) > In case it helps, there was some discussion here > > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-usb/2014-February/012813.html > > & possible some other thread before / since I recall, > (I havent used RFID but do have an RFID card reader) > > Cheers, > Julian > -- > Julian Stacey, BSD Linux Unix C Sys Eng Consultant Munich > http://berklix.com > Indent previous with "> ". Interleave reply paragraphs like a play > script. > Send plain text, not quoted-printable, HTML, base64, or > multipart/alternative. > I checked the link out, thanks. It seems to be a discussion about an authentication device used for money transactions. I checked out the Linux driver sources for that device, there's reference to firmware file in the code but I don't see the blob. Anyway I'm not sure my thing is compatible with that particular type of reader device. -- Waitman Gobble Los Altos California USA 510-830-7975 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 14 12:36:21 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 02DAFB65 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 12:36:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ezwind.net (bobby.ezwind.net [199.188.211.146]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9A3D785 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 12:36:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from jayPC by ezwind.net (MDaemon PRO v9.6.5) with ESMTP id 48-md50000166606.msg for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 07:36:13 -0500 X-Spam-Processed: ezwind.net, Tue, 14 Oct 2014 07:36:13 -0500 (not processed: spam filter heuristic analysis disabled) X-Authenticated-Sender: jwest@ezwind.net X-MDRemoteIP: 97.91.122.42 X-Return-Path: prvs=13645f15a6=jwest@ezwind.net X-Envelope-From: jwest@ezwind.net X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: "Jay West" To: Subject: NFS permissions Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 07:43:13 -0500 Message-ID: <000001cfe7ac$6ba9b930$42fd2b90$@ezwind.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: Ac/nqsq0G11yCNfESjCdUQNe7tFu3g== Content-Language: en-us Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 12:36:21 -0000 I'm having an issue with NFS permissions on freebsd, hoping someone can nudge me in the right direction.. There is an NFS share on a FreeNAS box, and it is mounted by two different client machines (client A and client B). On each of client A and B machines, we created "user1" with UID 1001 and GID 1001, and "user2" with UID 1002 and GID 1002. We also created the same users on the FreeNAS box, again, same usernames and UID/GID. >From either of the client machines, when logged in as user1 or user2 when we create a file on the NFS share, the file is created with the correct UID and shows the correct owner. However, the file is created with the GID of 0 (wheel). It was my understanding that by having the same username, UID, and GID on the client machine(s) and the freeNAS box, the files created by those users would have the correct UID/GID. The UID appears to make it, but not the GID. What we want is if user "user1" creates a file on the nfs share that the files UID and GID are the same (ie. file UID 1001 and GID 1001 in the case of "user1"). Eventually, we'll set up an LDAP machine and have users UID/GID stored there. But I wanted to get it working without LDAP first - thinking that if it didn't work with the above method it wouldn't work with LDAP, so want to get the above method working right before we add another "link in the chain". Could anyone point me in the right direction for the solution? FYI this is FreeBSD10-release on the client machines, and I believe the FreeNAS box (9.2.1.7) is built on freebsd9.2-r, p9. Best, Jay West From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 14 12:54:26 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C196C6CD for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 12:54:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8F6EF9BC for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 12:54:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kabini1.local (rbn1-216-180-76-242.adsl.hiwaay.net [216.180.76.242]) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id s9ECsJaG023781 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 07:54:19 -0500 Message-ID: <543D1E72.6050105@hiwaay.net> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 08:00:34 -0500 From: "William A. Mahaffey III" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "FreeBSD Questions !!!!" Subject: seejpeg question .... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 12:54:26 -0000 .... I just 'pkg installed' seejpeg (& cleaned up the mess when it de-installed linux-c6 & re-installed linux-f10), & tried to run it (as a regular user): [wam@kabini1, ~, 7:52:26am] 526 % which seejpeg /usr/local/bin/seejpeg [wam@kabini1, ~, 7:53:19am] 527 % rehash [wam@kabini1, ~, 7:53:24am] 528 % seejpeg --help seejpeg version 1.10 Usage: seejpeg [-{option} ...] {file} ... -1 --one-pass one pass quantization (-q implicit) -c --centre centre the image if it is smaller than video mode -C --cycle cycle through pictures -dx --double=x double the image in the x direction -f F --fuzz=F set fuzz factor to determine video mode -F M --mode=M force the use of a specified video mode -g --grey force greyscale mode (-1 implicit) -G G --gamma=G specify monitor gamma correction value -h --help display this usage message -m W --min-mode-width=W specify minimum mode width to use -M W --max-mode-width=W specify maximum mode width to use -q --quantize quantize picture (256 colour mode) -r --randomize randomize order of images -s T --slideshow-delay=T slideshow, wait T seconds between images -v --verbose display image and video mode information -w --width-only only use width to determine video mode --enable-5x4 allow 5x4 video modes to be used (default) --disable-5x4 do not allow 5x4 video modes to be used --enable-4x3 allow 4x3 video modes to be used (default) --disable-4x3 do not allow 4x3 video modes to be used --enable-8x5 allow 8x5 video modes to be used --disable-8x5 do not allow 4x3 video modes to be used (default) --enable-16x9 allow 16x9 video modes to be used --disable-16x9 do not allow 16x9 video modes to be used (default) File types supported: JPEG, GIF, PPM, BMP, TARGA [wam@kabini1, ~, 7:53:30am] 529 % lltr10 Desktop/ -rw------- 1 wam users 1189 Sep 13 06:34 fstab -rw------- 1 wam users 651713 Sep 23 18:48 Lottery-2014-09-23 17-29.pdf drwx------ 2 wam users 1024 Sep 23 23:40 Parlays/ -rw------- 1 wam users 122057 Oct 1 10:58 2014-09-30 week 6.pdf -rw------- 1 wam users 295404 Oct 3 23:13 2014-10-03 16-44-Tix.pdf -rw------- 1 wam users 474691 Oct 3 23:15 2014-10-03 16-44-new.pdf -rw------- 1 wam users 139191 Oct 6 14:50 2014-10-06 week 7.pdf -rw------- 1 wam users 179895 Oct 7 09:46 2014-10-07 09-36.pdf -rw------- 1 wam users 30711 Oct 14 07:26 Tornado.MLU.10.13.2014.jpg -rw------- 1 wam users 1191808 Oct 14 07:43 raspberry-pi-netbsd.jpg [wam@kabini1, ~, 7:53:53am] 530 % seejpeg Desktop/raspberry-pi-netbsd.jpg You must be the owner of the current console to use svgalib. Not running in a graphics capable console, and unable to find one. svgalib: ark: Assuming normal VGA DAC. You must be the owner of the current console to use svgalib. Not running in a graphics capable console, and unable to find one. svgalib: can't open /dev/console [wam@kabini1, ~, 7:54:06am] 531 % uname -a FreeBSD kabini1.local 9.3-RELEASE FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE #0 r268512: Thu Jul 10 23:44:39 UTC 2014 root@snap.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 [wam@kabini1, ~, 7:58:32am] 532 % Obviously a nogo. It wasn't installed as an option under XFCE to view that file when I double-clicked on it ... What do I need to do to get this program to work for me, either under XFCE or from CLI (tcsh under rxvt from XFCE) ? -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 14 13:13:32 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 87DC6ADE for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 13:13:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ezwind.net (bobby.ezwind.net [199.188.211.146]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F312AB99 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 13:13:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from jayPC by ezwind.net (MDaemon PRO v9.6.5) with ESMTP id 02-md50000166768.msg for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 08:13:28 -0500 X-Spam-Processed: ezwind.net, Tue, 14 Oct 2014 08:13:28 -0500 (not processed: spam filter heuristic analysis disabled) X-Authenticated-Sender: jwest@ezwind.net X-MDRemoteIP: 97.91.122.42 X-Return-Path: prvs=13645f15a6=jwest@ezwind.net X-Envelope-From: jwest@ezwind.net X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: "Jay West" To: "'Jon Radel'" , References: <000001cfe7ac$6ba9b930$42fd2b90$@ezwind.net> <543D1C83.6050707@radel.com> In-Reply-To: <543D1C83.6050707@radel.com> Subject: RE: NFS permissions Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 08:20:26 -0500 Message-ID: <000801cfe7b1$9ebd7dc0$dc387940$@ezwind.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQFeP/d+Fv7v9CNQYyTyejg6SGnkqQHzmm1YnQNGEjA= Content-Language: en-us X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 13:13:32 -0000 Jon wrote... >What is Mapall Group: set to in the NFS share setup dialog on the FreeNAS box? It is set to N/A (as are all the MapXXXX options). I wouldn't think we'd want to set those, as they force certain UID/GID's. We don't want to force/map anything, just have the original user/creators UID/GID applied. J From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 14 13:32:39 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48A37101 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 13:32:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0D1E8D83 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 13:32:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-30-92.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.30.92]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B9A34277C9; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 15:32:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id s9EDWS3C001966; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 15:32:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 15:32:28 +0200 From: Polytropon To: "William A. Mahaffey III" Subject: Re: seejpeg question .... Message-Id: <20141014153228.c78b356e.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <543D1E72.6050105@hiwaay.net> References: <543D1E72.6050105@hiwaay.net> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions !!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 13:32:39 -0000 On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 08:00:34 -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: > [wam@kabini1, ~, 7:53:53am] 530 % seejpeg Desktop/raspberry-pi-netbsd.jpg > You must be the owner of the current console to use svgalib. > Not running in a graphics capable console, > and unable to find one. > svgalib: ark: Assuming normal VGA DAC. > You must be the owner of the current console to use svgalib. > Not running in a graphics capable console, > and unable to find one. > svgalib: can't open /dev/console > [wam@kabini1, ~, 7:54:06am] 531 % uname -a > FreeBSD kabini1.local 9.3-RELEASE FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE #0 r268512: Thu > Jul 10 23:44:39 UTC 2014 > root@snap.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 > [wam@kabini1, ~, 7:58:32am] 532 % > > > Obviously a nogo. It wasn't installed as an option under XFCE to view > that file when I double-clicked on it ... What do I need to do to get > this program to work for me, either under XFCE or from CLI (tcsh under > rxvt from XFCE) ? Several things: First, this program is using svgalib, which means it allows graphics display without X, or to say it in a different way: This is an image viewer for the console. But svgalib isn't fully supported on FreeBSD. This program is _not_ an X program. It won't work the way you assume. Second: If you use XFCE (all capitals), one might get the impression that you're refering to the CDE-lookalike XFCE 3. The new Xfce desktop (version 4) uses a capital X, and then just fce in lowercase. :-) If you're searching for a simple image viewer, try xzgv. You can use it as a standalone program or call it from a desktop association (i. e., for supported image file formats). You could also try xv (very popular) and "display" (part of the ImageMagic port). But with Xfce, you already probably have half of Gnome installed, so you could also check out eog. ;-) Personally, I like xzgv, and I have it associated with image types to "start" them from within the Midnight Commander (just press ENTER on an image, and it will be displayed, scaled to the window size properly). Example: interactively browse a directory in fullscreen: % xzgv -tzf ~/cam/2014-10-01/ Only show one image: % xzgv -z /tmp/someimage.jpg Browse specified images: % xzgv -tz /scratch/test/bla*jpg my_*_nose.png bla.gif This viewer has nice keyboard and mouse support, its older versions (last usable version: 0.8_9) can also dynamically adjust brightness, contrast and other image properties. It can rotate and zoom. It also supports thumbnails. See if you like it. Just a suggestion. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 14 13:41:58 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 51155367 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 13:41:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1BEBBE93 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 13:41:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kabini1.local (rbn1-216-180-76-242.adsl.hiwaay.net [216.180.76.242]) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id s9EDfu3o026415 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 08:41:56 -0500 Message-ID: <543D299B.9010509@hiwaay.net> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 08:48:11 -0500 From: "William A. Mahaffey III" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "FreeBSD Questions !!!!" Subject: Re: seejpeg question .... References: <543D1E72.6050105@hiwaay.net> <20141014153228.c78b356e.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20141014153228.c78b356e.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 13:41:58 -0000 On 10/14/14 08:32, Polytropon wrote: > On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 08:00:34 -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: >> [wam@kabini1, ~, 7:53:53am] 530 % seejpeg Desktop/raspberry-pi-netbsd.jpg >> You must be the owner of the current console to use svgalib. >> Not running in a graphics capable console, >> and unable to find one. >> svgalib: ark: Assuming normal VGA DAC. >> You must be the owner of the current console to use svgalib. >> Not running in a graphics capable console, >> and unable to find one. >> svgalib: can't open /dev/console >> [wam@kabini1, ~, 7:54:06am] 531 % uname -a >> FreeBSD kabini1.local 9.3-RELEASE FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE #0 r268512: Thu >> Jul 10 23:44:39 UTC 2014 >> root@snap.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 >> [wam@kabini1, ~, 7:58:32am] 532 % >> >> >> Obviously a nogo. It wasn't installed as an option under XFCE to view >> that file when I double-clicked on it ... What do I need to do to get >> this program to work for me, either under XFCE or from CLI (tcsh under >> rxvt from XFCE) ? > Several things: > > First, this program is using svgalib, which means it allows > graphics display without X, or to say it in a different way: > This is an image viewer for the console. But svgalib isn't > fully supported on FreeBSD. This program is _not_ an X program. > It won't work the way you assume. > > Second: If you use XFCE (all capitals), one might get the > impression that you're refering to the CDE-lookalike XFCE 3. > The new Xfce desktop (version 4) uses a capital X, and then > just fce in lowercase. :-) > > If you're searching for a simple image viewer, try xzgv. You > can use it as a standalone program or call it from a desktop > association (i. e., for supported image file formats). You > could also try xv (very popular) and "display" (part of the > ImageMagic port). But with Xfce, you already probably have > half of Gnome installed, so you could also check out eog. ;-) > > Personally, I like xzgv, and I have it associated with image > types to "start" them from within the Midnight Commander (just > press ENTER on an image, and it will be displayed, scaled to > the window size properly). > > Example: interactively browse a directory in fullscreen: > > % xzgv -tzf ~/cam/2014-10-01/ > > Only show one image: > > % xzgv -z /tmp/someimage.jpg > > Browse specified images: > > % xzgv -tz /scratch/test/bla*jpg my_*_nose.png bla.gif > > This viewer has nice keyboard and mouse support, its older > versions (last usable version: 0.8_9) can also dynamically > adjust brightness, contrast and other image properties. It > can rotate and zoom. It also supports thumbnails. See if you > like it. Just a suggestion. > > > Thanks for the clarification on seejpeg. I found a reference to it online, that's why I tried it. I will try xzgv ASAP .... Thx again :-) .... -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 14 13:45:45 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 21BEA476 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 13:45:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from blue.qeng-ho.org (blue.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A3BF3EDF for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 13:45:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from arthur.home.qeng-ho.org (arthur.home.qeng-ho.org [172.23.1.2]) by fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org (8.14.7/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s9EDjXsl097655; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 14:45:34 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Message-ID: <543D28FD.5070306@qeng-ho.org> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 14:45:33 +0100 From: Arthur Chance User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon , "William A. Mahaffey III" Subject: Re: seejpeg question .... References: <543D1E72.6050105@hiwaay.net> <20141014153228.c78b356e.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20141014153228.c78b356e.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions !!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 13:45:45 -0000 On 14/10/2014 14:32, Polytropon wrote: > On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 08:00:34 -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: >> [wam@kabini1, ~, 7:53:53am] 530 % seejpeg Desktop/raspberry-pi-netbsd.jpg >> You must be the owner of the current console to use svgalib. >> Not running in a graphics capable console, >> and unable to find one. >> svgalib: ark: Assuming normal VGA DAC. >> You must be the owner of the current console to use svgalib. >> Not running in a graphics capable console, >> and unable to find one. >> svgalib: can't open /dev/console >> [wam@kabini1, ~, 7:54:06am] 531 % uname -a >> FreeBSD kabini1.local 9.3-RELEASE FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE #0 r268512: Thu >> Jul 10 23:44:39 UTC 2014 >> root@snap.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 >> [wam@kabini1, ~, 7:58:32am] 532 % >> >> >> Obviously a nogo. It wasn't installed as an option under XFCE to view >> that file when I double-clicked on it ... What do I need to do to get >> this program to work for me, either under XFCE or from CLI (tcsh under >> rxvt from XFCE) ? > > Several things: > > First, this program is using svgalib, which means it allows > graphics display without X, or to say it in a different way: > This is an image viewer for the console. But svgalib isn't > fully supported on FreeBSD. This program is _not_ an X program. > It won't work the way you assume. > > Second: If you use XFCE (all capitals), one might get the > impression that you're refering to the CDE-lookalike XFCE 3. > The new Xfce desktop (version 4) uses a capital X, and then > just fce in lowercase. :-) > > If you're searching for a simple image viewer, try xzgv. You > can use it as a standalone program or call it from a desktop > association (i. e., for supported image file formats). You > could also try xv (very popular) and "display" (part of the > ImageMagic port). But with Xfce, you already probably have > half of Gnome installed, so you could also check out eog. ;-) Or you could use the Xfce image viewer ristretto. It works well enough for my uses. The Xfce goodies web site describes it as "a fast and lightweight picture-viewer for the Xfce desktop environment". > > Personally, I like xzgv, and I have it associated with image > types to "start" them from within the Midnight Commander (just > press ENTER on an image, and it will be displayed, scaled to > the window size properly). > > Example: interactively browse a directory in fullscreen: > > % xzgv -tzf ~/cam/2014-10-01/ > > Only show one image: > > % xzgv -z /tmp/someimage.jpg > > Browse specified images: > > % xzgv -tz /scratch/test/bla*jpg my_*_nose.png bla.gif > > This viewer has nice keyboard and mouse support, its older > versions (last usable version: 0.8_9) can also dynamically > adjust brightness, contrast and other image properties. It > can rotate and zoom. It also supports thumbnails. See if you > like it. Just a suggestion. > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 14 13:52:42 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6FCB8564 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 13:52:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fly.radel.com (fly.radel.com [70.184.242.170]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F31F2FB2 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 13:52:41 +0000 (UTC) X-CGP-ClamAV-Result: CLEAN X-VirusScanner: Niversoft's CGPClamav Helper v1.16.8 (ClamAV engine v0.97.8) Received: from [2001:470:880a:4389:a80a:e182:29ca:13be] (account jon@radel.com HELO gravenstein.local) by radel.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.4 _community_) with ESMTPSA id 414314; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 12:52:33 +0000 Message-ID: <543D1C83.6050707@radel.com> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 08:52:19 -0400 From: Jon Radel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NFS permissions References: <000001cfe7ac$6ba9b930$42fd2b90$@ezwind.net> In-Reply-To: <000001cfe7ac$6ba9b930$42fd2b90$@ezwind.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms030305000200020209010308" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 13:52:42 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms030305000200020209010308 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 10/14/14, 8:43 AM, Jay West wrote: > There is an NFS share on a FreeNAS box, and it is mounted by two differ= ent > client machines (client A and client B). > > ... > > >From either of the client machines, when logged in as user1 or user2 w= hen we > create a file on the NFS share, the file is created with the correct UI= D and > shows the correct owner. 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List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 15:19:46 -0000 a recent PNY 128GBY usb flash drive. loads under linux, but freebsd CAM has errors. any suggestions on how to debug ? thanks! ugen0.4: at usbus0 umass0: on usbus0 umass0: SCSI over Bulk-Only; quirks = 0x0100 umass0:4:0:-1: Attached to scbus4 (probe0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): REPORT LUNS. CDB: a0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 10 00 00 (probe0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): CAM status: Auto-Sense Retrieval Failed (probe0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): Error 5, Unretryable error (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): got CAM status 0x50 (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): fatal error, failed to attach to device (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): lost device - 0 outstanding, 5 refs (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): removing device entry ugen0.4: at usbus0 (disconnected) umass0: at uhub2, port 4, addr 4 (disconnected) system: FreeBSD m4.spnet 9.2-STABLE FreeBSD 9.2-STABLE #5: Wed Oct 2 13:04:32 PDT 2013 root@m4:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 ex similar result under 10.0-RELEASE: ugen0.3: at usbus0 umass0: on usbus0 umass0: SCSI over Bulk-Only; quirks = 0x0100 umass0:3:0:-1: Attached to scbus3 (probe0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): REPORT LUNS. CDB: a0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 10 00 00 (probe0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): CAM status: Auto-Sense Retrieval Failed (probe0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): Error 5, Unretryable error (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): got CAM status 0x50 (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): fatal error, failed to attach to device FreeBSD m24.spnet 10.0-RELEASE-p9 FreeBSD 10.0-RELEASE-p9 #0: Mon Sep 15 14:35:52 UTC 2014 root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 under ubuntu 14.04: [534179.760526] usb 1-2: new high-speed USB device number 7 using ehci-pci [534179.894289] usb 1-2: New USB device found, idVendor=154b, idProduct=00b2 [534179.894306] usb 1-2: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3 [534179.894316] usb 1-2: Product: USB 3.0 FD [534179.894324] usb 1-2: Manufacturer: PNY Technologies [534179.894332] usb 1-2: SerialNumber: AD5E81C52E654207BACD560318E0F7 [534179.895921] usb-storage 1-2:1.0: USB Mass Storage device detected [534179.897067] scsi10 : usb-storage 1-2:1.0 [534182.235086] scsi 10:0:0:0: Direct-Access PNY USB 3.0 FD PQ: 0 ANSI: 6 [534182.236316] sd 10:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg2 type 0 [534182.238330] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdc] 245235199 512-byte logical blocks: (125 GB/116 GiB) [534182.240031] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdc] Write Protect is off [534182.240053] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdc] Mode Sense: 43 00 00 00 [534182.241142] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdc] Write cache: disabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA [534182.262407] sdc: sdc1 [534182.266881] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdc] Attached SCSI removable disk From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 14 16:33:38 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E0ED648A for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 16:33:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A3DBA365 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 16:33:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-30-92.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.30.92]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DDCD27823; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 18:33:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id s9EGXXR6001929; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 18:33:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 18:33:33 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Arthur Chance Subject: Re: seejpeg question .... Message-Id: <20141014183333.b9c4223c.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <543D28FD.5070306@qeng-ho.org> References: <543D1E72.6050105@hiwaay.net> <20141014153228.c78b356e.freebsd@edvax.de> <543D28FD.5070306@qeng-ho.org> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "William A. Mahaffey III" , FreeBSD Questions !!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 16:33:39 -0000 On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 14:45:33 +0100, Arthur Chance wrote: > Or you could use the Xfce image viewer ristretto. It works well enough > for my uses. The Xfce goodies web site describes it as "a fast and > lightweight picture-viewer for the Xfce desktop environment". A good suggestion - this viewer should integrate well with the Xfce environment. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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I thought it's fantastic! I have only to mention the University of California for my project! "3. All advertising materials mentioning features or use of this software must display the following acknowledgement: This product includes software developed by the University of California, Berkeley and its contributors." While I was working on the source code, I discovered that many other files was licensed by other authors. Thare are about 300 files with this sentence "This product includes software developed by ". So my questions are (and I hope that you can help me): - What mean advertising materials? Do I have to put 300 different sentences in every page of my website, manual pages, etc? - The 4-clause of the license says: "Neither the name of nor the names of its contributors may be used to endorse or promote products derived from this software without specific prior written permission.". It is a violation of the clause writing "This product includes software developed by "? I mean, can I write this sentence without specific prior writter permission from the author? - Does the main COPYRIGHT file overwrite other author licenses? Thanks From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 14 22:01:19 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A0E213D9 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 22:01:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-in2.apple.com (mail-out2.apple.com [17.151.62.25]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 779E0CC4 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 22:01:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-out.apple.com (mail-out.apple.com [17.151.62.49]) (using TLS with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mail-in2.apple.com (Apple Secure Mail Relay) with SMTP id 9C.12.26497.E2D9D345; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 15:01:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from relay2.apple.com ([17.128.113.67]) by local.mail-out.apple.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.30.0 64bit (built Oct 22 2013)) with ESMTP id <0NDG001H0FTSWXL1@local.mail-out.apple.com> for questions@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 15:01:18 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: 11973e11-f79f76d000006781-a3-543d9d2e1431 Received: from [17.149.228.210] (Unknown_Domain [17.149.228.210]) (using TLS with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by relay2.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with SMTP id 9F.1D.19003.A2D9D345; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 15:01:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: FreeBSD Advertising clause From: Charles Swiger In-reply-to: Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 15:01:17 -0700 Message-id: References: To: Enrico Venezia X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFtrALMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUiON3OUFdvrm2IwemXChbdJ7uZHRg9Znya zxLAGMVlk5Kak1mWWqRvl8CVMXvrD5aC7UIVZ1feY25gfMXXxcjJISFgItG64zArhC0mceHe erYuRi4OIYFZTBKLljWygyR4BQQlfky+x9LFyMHBLCAvcfC8LEiYWUBL4vujVhaI+jlMEm97 bjPDDN26uglqUD+TxIWuy0wgCWEBdYm2I+eZQQaxCahJTJjIAxLmFAiWaL3UywZiswioSmw9 cIcRYoGkxKybncwQN1hJNP3ZBzZGSCBA4uqtW2C2iICmxMKn+6D2ykt8+HCcHWSvhMBrVomW 7W9YJjAKz0LywyyEH2Yh+WEBI/MqRqHcxMwc3cw8I73EgoKcVL3k/NxNjJAgFtzBeHyV1SFG AQ5GJR5eiXCbECHWxLLiytxDjNIcLErivG6NtiFCAumJJanZqakFqUXxRaU5qcWHGJk4OKUa GG9MTLu9cmZewbLMA+qPnJY4lPs78hy4XLf8TY/5PPELb5flC1RNZOcIuad+dcuLpA8qZ4oY FMpf7a5zFjv2jTuX7XGZRMfsODeGFwd8OVTPXVbXV4jiSOnVY/4tt2D5EzX1bwwdLyUVWZir Dt09OfHQy8mfBT6cvewxwzuBbdlvTw8njcmT5yqxFGckGmoxFxUnAgB033MWQwIAAA== X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFlrILMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUiOPXJJV2tubYhBvdOGll0n+xmtjh04Qaj A5PHjE/zWTx2zrrLHsAUxWWTkpqTWZZapG+XwJVx9ttZpoK3QhUzFlxkbGDs4u9i5OSQEDCR 2Lq6iQ3CFpO4cG89mC0k0M8kcXVeAYjNLKAlcePfSyYQm1fAQGLJrk3MILawgLpE25HzQDYH B5uAmsSEiTwgYU6BQInls96zgtgsAqoSWw/cYYQYIykx62YnM4StLbFs4WtmiJFWEi1r9zFB rA2QuHrrFpgtIqApsfDpPmaI0+QlPnw4zj6BkX8WkotmIbloFpKxCxiZVzEKFKXmJFYa6SUW FOSk6iXn525iBAVcQ6HzDsZjy6wOMQpwMCrx8BZE2oQIsSaWFVfmHmKU4GBWEuG1T7YNEeJN SaysSi3Kjy8qzUktPsQozcGiJM6bOg2oWiA9sSQ1OzW1ILUIJsvEwSnVwGi7msP7mfO1Z88E ri5a0xpaef4JT8vTpKApy6NPynv82WX1Wfp0s+BhSRa3TUuinjDOEjmqkJZavdbmPsuvzDn+ bN+WdRnHn0sP5Cjiaj/JcrHlMA/fNMvdN4PjjtwSSfI4toM3cY6x9f2eNxuy7Jm/XTb2MFrY 68LssnKD/Oz3OR2qhoKBHkosxRmJhlrMRcWJAFREPD00AgAA Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 22:01:19 -0000 On Oct 14, 2014, at 2:32 PM, Enrico Venezia wrote: > Hello, > > I'm Enrico Venezia, I come across in FreeBSD. > > I thought it's fantastic! I have only to mention the University of > California for my project! > > "3. All advertising materials mentioning features or use of this software > must display the following acknowledgement: > This product includes software developed by the University of California, > Berkeley and its contributors." That's clause 3 from the so-called "old BSD" license. UC/Berkeley and most other BSD contributors have waived it in favor of the 2-clause or new BSD license. See: https://www.freebsd.org/copyright/license.html > While I was working on the source code, I discovered that many other files > was licensed by other authors. > > Thare are about 300 files with this sentence "This product includes > software developed by Berkeley>". > > So my questions are (and I hope that you can help me): If you want general feedback about common practices and community expectations, sure. However, if you need specific legal advice, hire an attorney. > - What mean advertising materials? Do I have to put 300 different sentences > in every page of my website, manual pages, etc? Not on each page, no. And not for most of the software which is under the 2-clause license. However, you do need to preserve notices for software under the BSD 3-clause license once on your website, in the manual or README. > - The 4-clause of the license says: "Neither the name of nor the > names of its contributors may be used to endorse or promote products > derived from this software without specific prior written permission.". It > is a violation of the clause writing "This product includes software > developed by "? I mean, can I write this sentence without specific > prior writter permission from the author? No, that would be a standard acknowledgement of origin. The no-endorsement-clause restricts folks from claiming that UC/Berkeley, the FreeBSD project, etc endorse your modified version of the software. > - Does the main COPYRIGHT file overwrite other author licenses? No. But most FreeBSD contributors have agreed to use the 2-clause format. Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 15 07:05:26 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C39DA7B4 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 07:05:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ie0-x233.google.com (mail-ie0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::233]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 97BF890C for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 07:05:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f179.google.com with SMTP id ar1so613551iec.24 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 00:05:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=47T1b0F5VH6uqDIEJvWfRyeZnIfsyYqMel0xjdRhNjk=; b=QWI3EbyIPOMiopgt8z8TP5wlN5/hQf/NNZ2AxXHgq9IcZGkhZvpvYtjuXfdz7ylCWE ciY8BCsGg7zMHFa3jyQGbw2HjgevtUGBU6q8TVdB1RHCOmzHH2lWMh2Ny9D6Q3tzNqAK ODJl9XfU9Cyga9WSU/MEBFlq4F8BvEtTL67OlIE0Os+cdRRBpFCHeA/pQzVdx4lkl/Nt olBQOF5unuMTURsU8IEW1dHzyn0lVybSq5N9PP3akgaQyjLUxKFXiCwUGNb1peP7jZ/4 V10MpHQDLQ4MxwOSS2jp+14IRqTj64pId/HBSdojh7D/LbgSQhmrLzzbTJTycXG3W5nL 2Bbw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.133.170 with SMTP id p42mr7419528ioi.7.1413356726026; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 00:05:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.37.13 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 00:05:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 00:05:25 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: scp large file: broken pipe + Limiting closed port RST response From: Chris Stankevitz To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 07:05:26 -0000 Hello, Regarding this setup: - two identical computers with Intel I350 gigabit ethernet - single ethernet cable connects both computers - one computer using scp to copy a 500 GB file to the other (~100 MB/sec) - 9.2-RELEASE-p10 (FreeNAS) - scp -o NoneSwitch=yes -o NoneEnabled=yes /path/to/file root@10.1.1.2:/path/to/file 1. Why does the scp connection fail ~10 minutes into the transfer with "broken pipe"? 2. Why does this transfer generate log entries like the following: Limiting closed port RST response from 1235 to 200 packets/sec Limiting closed port RST response from 1288 to 200 packets/sec Limiting closed port RST response from 1298 to 200 packets/sec Limiting closed port RST response from 759 to 200 packets/sec Limiting closed port RST response from 293 to 200 packets/sec 3. Could (1) and (2) be related? 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thx, Laszlo From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 15 07:57:32 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AEC08B2D for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 07:57:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no (smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no [IPv6:2001:700:1100:1:200:ff:fe00:b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no", Issuer "Fagskolen i Gj??vik" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 36009DD8 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 07:57:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.fig.ol.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.fig.ol.no (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s9F7vPCX046622 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 15 Oct 2014 09:57:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from localhost (trond@localhost) by mail.fig.ol.no (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id s9F7vPTD046619; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 09:57:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.fig.ol.no: trond owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 09:57:25 +0200 (CEST) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_Endrest=F8l?= Sender: Trond.Endrestol@fagskolen.gjovik.no To: Laszlo Danielisz Subject: Re: IPv6 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) Organization: Fagskolen Innlandet OpenPGP: url=http://fig.ol.no/~trond/trond.key MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on mail.fig.ol.no Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 07:57:32 -0000 On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 09:48+0200, Laszlo Danielisz via freebsd-questions wrote: > What is the proper way to disable IPv6 on FreeBSD? Rebuild the kernel using a kernel configuration file like this one: include GENERIC ident NO-INET6-NO-SCTP nooptions INET6 nooptions SCTP -- +-------------------------------+------------------------------------+ | Vennlig hilsen, | Best regards, | | Trond Endrestl, | Trond Endrestl, | | IT-ansvarlig, | System administrator, | | Fagskolen Innlandet, | Gjvik Technical College, Norway, | | tlf. mob. 952 62 567, | Cellular...: +47 952 62 567, | | sentralbord 61 14 54 00. | Switchboard: +47 61 14 54 00. | +-------------------------------+------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 15 11:50:07 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 90DE06E8 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 11:50:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wi0-f179.google.com (mail-wi0-f179.google.com [209.85.212.179]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2792CAFA for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 11:50:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wi0-f179.google.com with SMTP id d1so1653285wiv.6 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 04:49:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:user-agent; bh=LK5BLBovtoJezi5AfrxCPA/sxiRhnx3olccVBwKJQ6A=; b=PCnJiM6EQQpak6iJkPyQw6RWjtJNRv16U+GX62x4tus7lWLf5HPrFEa2SRRGT3vU0C vouu6PPAHIPOb+HrZ2/MJWNQKmxe+l2fFoHlbYfvTQoxXfBKByy5Rlj7wZJ2lpS1CwS7 EaGm3JxP5rI5PMdg/oZFvFabGwt+tVObfOiiNkCGREDwRUXISPNWiVMAV1UFuGa0Gtsz LiCwsX7Gq6VRyBlagZie6DD/bxjstKPnQU+Sy3VsRy/XrSUKV55A5DPvdx5Z0SgipRSX 7dEuYRsJ4ZxlFTK30f73Mysgr5ckMZQg5nI0nJMFWyovaWzxQEe6HTCerxvxgovnmA7E 5QxA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkmHO1OwXcKK2VtXX46yD/KEUOeCLIKMV59VTvMzXMUf6VI1zm80R1jZLNA0X12EiLKyFB5 X-Received: by 10.194.78.238 with SMTP id e14mr2792556wjx.106.1413373798764; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 04:49:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu. [141.213.135.249]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ge1sm19147793wib.4.2014.10.15.04.49.57 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 15 Oct 2014 04:49:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 07:47:21 -0400 From: William Bulley To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: exiting Xorg locks up 9.2-STABLE system Message-ID: <20141015114721.GE3110@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 11:50:07 -0000 I recently upgraded to 9.2-STABLE and rebuilt _ALL_ my ports from scratch. One was x11/xorg (xorg-7.7_1) and this is on a Dell Optiplex 960 with an ATI Technologies RV730XT [Radeon HD 4670] video card installed. When I start an Xorg session, it comes up and runs fine, but when I exit Xorg the system locks up. No mouse response. No keyboard response. No vty is available (Alt-F2, etc.) I run x11-toolkits/open-motif (open-motif-2.3.4_1) and the last line in my .xinitrc file is as follows: /usr/local/bin/mwm 2>&1 /dev/null When I exit mwm (f.quit_mwm), the Xorg session should die as well. I have been using open-motif (this very version) for _years_ in this same fashion so I don't think this behaviour is due to open-motif. A friend who runs FreeBSD on his laptop (IBM Thinkpad T500) has built the same x11/xorg (xorg-7.7_1) from source and is experiencing the exact same behaviour. He runs fvwm not open-motif, and, of course, his hardware is completely different from my Dell desktop. This makes me suspect Xorg. Can anyone give me a clue as to where to look, or what to look for, that may be causing this problem? Thanks! Regards, web... -- /"\ ASCII RIBBON / William Bulley \ / CAMPAIGN AGAINST / X HTML E-MAIL AND / E-MAIL: web@umich.edu / \ LISTSERV POSTINGS / 72 characters width template ----------------------------------------->| From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 15 14:35:08 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 16751B12 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 14:35:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B9580F07 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 14:35:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s9FEYxHg060444 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 15 Oct 2014 08:34:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id s9FEYwJ0060441; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 08:34:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 08:34:58 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: William Bulley Subject: Re: exiting Xorg locks up 9.2-STABLE system In-Reply-To: <20141015114721.GE3110@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> Message-ID: References: <20141015114721.GE3110@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 15 Oct 2014 08:34:59 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 14:35:08 -0000 On Wed, 15 Oct 2014, William Bulley wrote: > I recently upgraded to 9.2-STABLE and rebuilt _ALL_ my ports from scratch. > > One was x11/xorg (xorg-7.7_1) and this is on a Dell Optiplex 960 with an > ATI Technologies RV730XT [Radeon HD 4670] video card installed. When I > start an Xorg session, it comes up and runs fine, but when I exit Xorg > the system locks up. No mouse response. No keyboard response. No vty > is available (Alt-F2, etc.) > > I run x11-toolkits/open-motif (open-motif-2.3.4_1) and the last line in > my .xinitrc file is as follows: > > /usr/local/bin/mwm 2>&1 /dev/null > > When I exit mwm (f.quit_mwm), the Xorg session should die as well. > I have been using open-motif (this very version) for _years_ in this > same fashion so I don't think this behaviour is due to open-motif. > > A friend who runs FreeBSD on his laptop (IBM Thinkpad T500) has built > the same x11/xorg (xorg-7.7_1) from source and is experiencing the > exact same behaviour. He runs fvwm not open-motif, and, of course, > his hardware is completely different from my Dell desktop. > > This makes me suspect Xorg. Can anyone give me a clue as to where to > look, or what to look for, that may be causing this problem? Thanks! Does it really lock up, or is it just that text console does not display anything? Test by typing startx again. If that works, use vt(4): https://wiki.freebsd.org/Newcons That might require updating to 9.3 and the newer version of xorg. 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[141.213.135.249]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id q3sm19653244wia.14.2014.10.15.07.52.01 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 15 Oct 2014 07:52:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 10:49:25 -0400 From: William Bulley To: Warren Block Subject: Re: exiting Xorg locks up 9.2-STABLE system Message-ID: <20141015144925.GC3963@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> Mail-Followup-To: Warren Block , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 14:52:11 -0000 According to Warren Block on Wed, 10/15/14 at 10:34: > > Does it really lock up, or is it just that text console does not display > anything? Test by typing startx again. If that works, use vt(4): > https://wiki.freebsd.org/Newcons > That might require updating to 9.3 and the newer version of xorg. D'oh! Stupid typo. I recently upgraded to 9.3-STABLE and rebuilt all my ports from source. And, yes, I had WITH_NEW_XORG=true in my /etc/make.conf file before starting the rebuild of all my ports. Are you saying that (given all the above that I have done), this new problem that I have encountered can be eliminated by putting vt(4) in my kernel config file, rebuilding my kernel and then rebooting? Regards, web... -- /"\ ASCII RIBBON / William Bulley \ / CAMPAIGN AGAINST / X HTML E-MAIL AND / E-MAIL: web@umich.edu / \ LISTSERV POSTINGS / 72 characters width template ----------------------------------------->| From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 15 15:08:49 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EC4E2660 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 15:08:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 99B62314 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 15:08:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s9FF8ldp068858 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 15 Oct 2014 09:08:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id s9FF8loV068855; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 09:08:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 09:08:47 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: William Bulley Subject: Re: exiting Xorg locks up 9.2-STABLE system In-Reply-To: <20141015144925.GC3963@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> Message-ID: References: <20141015144925.GC3963@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 15 Oct 2014 09:08:48 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 15:08:50 -0000 On Wed, 15 Oct 2014, William Bulley wrote: > According to Warren Block on Wed, 10/15/14 at 10:34: >> >> Does it really lock up, or is it just that text console does not display >> anything? Test by typing startx again. If that works, use vt(4): >> https://wiki.freebsd.org/Newcons >> That might require updating to 9.3 and the newer version of xorg. > > D'oh! Stupid typo. I recently upgraded to 9.3-STABLE and rebuilt > all my ports from source. > > And, yes, I had WITH_NEW_XORG=true in my /etc/make.conf file before > starting the rebuild of all my ports. > > Are you saying that (given all the above that I have done), this new > problem that I have encountered can be eliminated by putting vt(4) in > my kernel config file, rebuilding my kernel and then rebooting? If you are using a custom kernel, yes. GENERIC now contains both sc and vt, so vt must be selected by adding kern.vty=vt to /boot/loader.conf. 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[141.213.135.249]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id cu9sm24236654wjc.3.2014.10.15.08.11.47 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 15 Oct 2014 08:11:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 11:09:12 -0400 From: William Bulley To: Warren Block Subject: Re: exiting Xorg locks up 9.2-STABLE system Message-ID: <20141015150912.GF3963@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> Mail-Followup-To: Warren Block , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 15:11:52 -0000 According to Warren Block on Wed, 10/15/14 at 11:08: > > If you are using a custom kernel, yes. GENERIC now contains both sc and vt, > so vt must be selected by adding kern.vty=vt to /boot/loader.conf. Yes, I am using a custom kernel. Therefore I will modify my kernel config file, and rebuild my kernel. 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[141.213.135.249]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id t10sm6547374wja.43.2014.10.15.08.46.08 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 15 Oct 2014 08:46:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 11:43:32 -0400 From: William Bulley To: Warren Block Subject: Re: exiting Xorg locks up 9.2-STABLE system Message-ID: <20141015154332.GA4872@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> Mail-Followup-To: Warren Block , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 15:46:13 -0000 According to Warren Block on Wed, 10/15/14 at 11:08: > > If you are using a custom kernel, yes. GENERIC now contains both sc and vt, > so vt must be selected by adding kern.vty=vt to /boot/loader.conf. I've added this line (per % man 4 vt) to my custom kernel config file: options TERMINAL_NORM_ATTR=(FG_GREEN|BG_BLACK) As "root" running config(8) results in this: root# config MYKERNEL MYKERNEL: unknown option "TERMINAL_NORM_ATTR" root# What am I missing? Again, I'm running 9.3-STABLE... :-) Regards, web... -- /"\ ASCII RIBBON / William Bulley \ / CAMPAIGN AGAINST / X HTML E-MAIL AND / E-MAIL: web@umich.edu / \ LISTSERV POSTINGS / 72 characters width template ----------------------------------------->| From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 15 16:04:26 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5D4085C1 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:04:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wg0-f42.google.com (mail-wg0-f42.google.com [74.125.82.42]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E7F58B6A for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:04:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f42.google.com with SMTP id z12so1715125wgg.25 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 09:04:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition :user-agent; bh=+/0Lpkoe86Ndr7Htb908GzEMomUN2vLC07nbl3bH5y8=; b=UNdOLpCliIFqRjspOUMrBuHs9NbVFMImCt773YcHm6OhM1Z9J0g6nE0hR9eKBEU5xE KK7uVxJTBTVQzoPf9CgcLE36BiMRsZHO7DL9D7lIl1VCJUaqr0ylQ+14uejk4IQ+B8qk JOnNLnAhnxA9/JVymtfS1hjEvyLU5ItF71kN8PJz3x3Z2/hvmFbv7J57CJoqzx0Unlf4 hl80nCRWR0rBm3ge61rketoGg0stqRPAOoed7joXYAt4oQ6JEuYCt7ELj85ceJiYqjvc E4cJmVB+w3ZgXE8Acz59mVWDTiYOVjJbYxP6pIX4c2kMJMZJouRvssoKBVY4jvbhEr7g jisA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQndmxbnmMrG8bWzsVD1X1FB42Sb7TVmobRDCRd4GZ8xOlYpY5j1HeRXpvLs2bEYOsdvFgXP X-Received: by 10.194.2.168 with SMTP id 8mr13975552wjv.78.1413389058568; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 09:04:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu. [141.213.135.249]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id td9sm19863364wic.15.2014.10.15.09.04.17 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 15 Oct 2014 09:04:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 12:01:41 -0400 From: William Bulley To: Warren Block Subject: Re: exiting Xorg locks up 9.2-STABLE system Message-ID: <20141015160141.GA9220@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> Mail-Followup-To: Warren Block , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:04:26 -0000 According to Warren Block on Wed, 10/15/14 at 11:08: > > If you are using a custom kernel, yes. GENERIC now contains both sc and vt, > so vt must be selected by adding kern.vty=vt to /boot/loader.conf. It got worse... :-( After commenting out a couple of the "options" found in vt(4) from my custom kernel config file, I was able to successfully run (as "root"): unix# config MYKERNEL The next step was "make cleandepend" and that was fine. But running "make depend" caused this error: unix# make -V CFILES -V SYSTEM_CFILES -V GEN_CFILES | MKDEP_CPP="cc -E" CC="cc" xargs mkdep -a -f .newdep -O -pipe -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -nostdinc -I. -I../../.. -I../../../contrib/altq -I../../../contrib/ipfilter -I../../../contrib/pf -I../../../dev/ath -I../../../dev/ath/ath_hal -I../../../contrib/ngatm -I../../../dev/twa -I../../../gnu/fs/xfs/FreeBSD -I../../../gnu/fs/xfs/FreeBSD/support -I../../../gnu/fs/xfs -I../../../dev/cxgb -I../../../dev/cxgbe -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=8000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -mno-align-long-strings -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -mno-mmx -mno-sse -msoft-float -ffreestanding -fstack-protector In file included from ../../../dev/fb/fbd.c:51: ../../../dev/vt/vt.h:54:2: error: #error "Build with both syscons and vt is not supported. Please enable only one 'device sc' or 'device vt'" In file included from ../../../dev/vt/font/vt_font_default.c:36: ../../../dev/vt/vt.h:54:2: error: #error "Build with both syscons and vt is not supported. Please enable only one 'device sc' or 'device vt'" In file included from ../../../dev/vt/font/vt_mouse_cursor.c:33: ../../../dev/vt/vt.h:54:2: error: #error "Build with both syscons and vt is not supported. Please enable only one 'device sc' or 'device vt'" In file included from ../../../dev/vt/hw/fb/vt_fb.c:40: ../../../dev/vt/vt.h:54:2: error: #error "Build with both syscons and vt is not supported. Please enable only one 'device sc' or 'device vt'" In file included from ../../../dev/vt/vt_buf.c:43: ../../../dev/vt/vt.h:54:2: error: #error "Build with both syscons and vt is not supported. Please enable only one 'device sc' or 'device vt'" In file included from ../../../dev/vt/vt_consolectl.c:38: ../../../dev/vt/vt.h:54:2: error: #error "Build with both syscons and vt is not supported. Please enable only one 'device sc' or 'device vt'" In file included from ../../../dev/vt/vt_core.c:55: ../../../dev/vt/vt.h:54:2: error: #error "Build with both syscons and vt is not supported. Please enable only one 'device sc' or 'device vt'" In file included from ../../../dev/vt/vt_font.c:39: ../../../dev/vt/vt.h:54:2: error: #error "Build with both syscons and vt is not supported. Please enable only one 'device sc' or 'device vt'" In file included from ../../../dev/vt/vt_sysmouse.c:51: ../../../dev/vt/vt.h:54:2: error: #error "Build with both syscons and vt is not supported. Please enable only one 'device sc' or 'device vt'" mkdep: compile failed *** [.depend] Error code 1 Which causes me to ask: how in the heck can the GENERIC kernel have both "devices" as you have stated? Regards, web... -- /"\ ASCII RIBBON / William Bulley \ / CAMPAIGN AGAINST / X HTML E-MAIL AND / E-MAIL: web@umich.edu / \ LISTSERV POSTINGS / 72 characters width template ----------------------------------------->| From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 15 16:19:01 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ACD6A88D for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:19:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 714A9C82 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:19:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-30-92.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.30.92]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C6A0623710; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 18:18:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id s9FGIpjA001894; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 18:18:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 18:18:51 +0200 From: Polytropon To: William Bulley Subject: Re: exiting Xorg locks up 9.2-STABLE system Message-Id: <20141015181851.5149bdc6.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20141015114721.GE3110@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> References: <20141015114721.GE3110@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:19:01 -0000 Just a minor sidenote: On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 07:47:21 -0400, William Bulley wrote: > When I exit mwm (f.quit_mwm), the Xorg session should die as well. > I have been using open-motif (this very version) for _years_ in this > same fashion so I don't think this behaviour is due to open-motif. The last line of your ~/.xinitrc file should be: exec /usr/local/bin/mwm This makes sure that the process "continues" as mwm, and when mwm exits, then X also exists. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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[141.213.135.249]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id wc7sm17550327wjc.8.2014.10.15.09.28.23 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 15 Oct 2014 09:28:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 12:25:47 -0400 From: William Bulley To: Polytropon Subject: Re: exiting Xorg locks up 9.2-STABLE system Message-ID: <20141015162547.GJ3963@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> Mail-Followup-To: Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:33:40 -0000 According to Polytropon on Wed, 10/15/14 at 12:18: > > The last line of your ~/.xinitrc file should be: > > exec /usr/local/bin/mwm > > This makes sure that the process "continues" as mwm, and when > mwm exits, then X also exists. Thanks. The last line of my ~/.xinitrc file is: /usr/local/bin/mwm 2>&1 /dev/null and since I start Xorg thusly: /usr/local/bin/xinit -- /usr/local/bin/Xorg I had thought when I exit mwm(1) using the "f.quit_mwm" feature, that then Xorg would exit. Is that not the case? Or am I missing your point above? This configuration has been working for me for about fifteen years. :-) Regards, web... -- /"\ ASCII RIBBON / William Bulley \ / CAMPAIGN AGAINST / X HTML E-MAIL AND / E-MAIL: web@umich.edu / \ LISTSERV POSTINGS / 72 characters width template ----------------------------------------->| From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 15 16:43:37 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 87CCCD53 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:43:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-la0-x232.google.com (mail-la0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::232]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0EABAF4A for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:43:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f50.google.com with SMTP id s18so1437046lam.9 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 09:43:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/X0xnqb39nqu5oAVDPhMZK33Jj7dXs6i11mzhMW3kdg=; b=zJHTJNzIEPBo5zskwo1Ed3dTc8RlfFi0RLyrxumiVrocG6Y2CPd05fs8xNmUtAuMAo 0TlK4LiS4SeIr11fJ3CFZtONmRO84z6GnJry0MQrS1uDCwIXextBvTPdRoFZLGbDBhnv iUjX96ED1JZ1LFrpQl6iFown/1Ilu6K7CiPM1q8W1/IlosTaeDT3bg3WYiv4nYQc2FYv gtMCZoe8MyeFjLpjKUiEypWJq2auQpD+Sj3DWeePcGnYxFLNKSNAcALckFE7KIZ5Crf4 Y9dvwmREXRi7PY2qOrFjljRDW9DekVGGogr6rwzl9Mb56iFbr5ip/qS02hg2V/NvPckx akvw== X-Received: by 10.152.21.170 with SMTP id w10mr13715469lae.9.1413391414948; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 09:43:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lazlar.no-ip.biz (213-64-218-92-no126.business.telia.com. [213.64.218.92]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id oh4sm6867668lbc.19.2014.10.15.09.43.34 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 15 Oct 2014 09:43:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <543EA435.10505@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 18:43:33 +0200 From: Rolf Nielsen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: exiting Xorg locks up 9.2-STABLE system References: <20141015162547.GJ3963@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> In-Reply-To: <20141015162547.GJ3963@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:43:37 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-10-15 18:25, William Bulley wrote: > According to Polytropon on Wed, 10/15/14 at > 12:18: >> >> The last line of your ~/.xinitrc file should be: >> >> exec /usr/local/bin/mwm >> >> This makes sure that the process "continues" as mwm, and when mwm >> exits, then X also exists. > > Thanks. The last line of my ~/.xinitrc file is: > > /usr/local/bin/mwm 2>&1 /dev/null > > and since I start Xorg thusly: > > /usr/local/bin/xinit -- /usr/local/bin/Xorg > > I had thought when I exit mwm(1) using the "f.quit_mwm" feature, > that then Xorg would exit. Is that not the case? Or am I missing > your point above? This configuration has been working for me for > about fifteen years. :-) > > Regards, > > web... > Without the "exec" Xorg forks and the new process runs mwm. Thus, when you exit mwm, the original Xorg process remains. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJUPqQ1AAoJEPJMW41Co4JgvD4P/2uOgiBm2oNs8nnj8yvqZLPx SGLxdpHp4+lUsDNkFNVqNvP8/X3TowJmcBnbZ4ocnSV3hJFzSqvtjFfwQEt73hNw yQtu2qcNE8UFX70AST0hDfZWjQ45WdcE76TOvGAMGVjG2qGO+EirIZOOkxB4OYHV BhQRWko8PKiwvsCIHUscIDdpygwGjkHyQiyXFl9AIDJjoJNIqoechC8opvOzbCkZ 6Q/K3aNTfMdyRFjiVgtM+NLhSRYB4DT28A8cLwzRzUcNvYPDtkIgmKyL06hapwdU TI8I/LSC4A619q5IEUEodMqeSvbdQ6CdZl4la5QNY2g4J2b2tUoS8EDANvqf+4tJ piGeowBzNb42GE+rCrqQebqCIL97vWyFQmnDhD+mcjzDw0vzp61JVkYaXy23vYZq FJj97Xf2r0ga5yb8xuUew8Krrg4Vxx3TZ5ChT5S2ZXx1dJbV68uXCi9uWgfwpWEn lXGoRbHhokNDNmAE3Wv3PQbb87xBvUfkWmMSBTtwaYdVx/cWncKOCXTbceZnnys9 0WWzj2LeQCTgHSS/PAYCyYHy0bm6rME8DDRxIEhCKdcYflrPCg4itAIu3e2eXF5t k/G7ZC5ieeXIxzKmU85Dd4h7fAUkbYOBVC+V8skdxbhW+ZtwS1GqCHMiEg5JiZ5w 3BJC7bSIizftHsWAreek =zG+s -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 15 16:47:50 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 60661EB7 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:47:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wi0-f170.google.com (mail-wi0-f170.google.com [209.85.212.170]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EC936F86 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:47:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wi0-f170.google.com with SMTP id hi2so14706330wib.3 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 09:47:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition :user-agent; bh=tFHu9D3mth4Ua/a4+g0LWAJH1XL03JBW9h3OWiJE8/A=; b=W6K/kiQM8DtYCdqIza4HSlINEs+zrbvJpDKbj7Lk3rOZWwg525nKmdgyJjfDeIxoil gEELfiSnEc6hFiI+GXe1ki7zTVUf7si2UgRaLDa8FN2+gdj4b+DmCjHuUCqQ7L+TW0nC Q1wRpKUge+ZH7KeXmwtuGNH0ZavqXD39N2yLQGOXj9FUoQgtO10pXmca+ri5Ylv5pwd0 02lMLp1iIQcX4Ymh+7RVa4z8QNhg/rlQyGGzE2ShHGES+Ymi570cjedzPy/mL1rSeRYf Mg5a0+xCGVOFS624+BHjM0lE5nfrxe67hULfgwBASqhL5Xyh8jjgz5Xh7Lmvd9236Eyd cbSQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmQXteaePRzR4PP2RSi5aezwQgfe/Td7GwWC2zzKvKCSddDH0PXiZTRjnOqabRTq8KPQQHY X-Received: by 10.181.29.10 with SMTP id js10mr13270811wid.71.1413391667225; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 09:47:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu. [141.213.135.249]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id el4sm19975072wid.11.2014.10.15.09.47.45 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 15 Oct 2014 09:47:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 12:45:08 -0400 From: William Bulley To: Warren Block Subject: Re: exiting Xorg locks up 9.2-STABLE system Message-ID: <20141015164508.GA1283@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> Mail-Followup-To: Warren Block , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:47:50 -0000 According to Warren Block on Wed, 10/15/14 at 11:08: > > If you are using a custom kernel, yes. GENERIC now contains both sc and vt, > so vt must be selected by adding kern.vty=vt to /boot/loader.conf. Steps necessary to cleanly build my custom kernel: add "device vt" comment out "options" for vt(4) found in the man page comment out "device sc" gave errors during "make depend" comment out "option VESA" (associated with "device vga"?) gave compile error New kernel was installed. System was rebooted. Hung at: Booting system... \ The "spinner" did not spin! :-( I was forced to power cycle and boot with option "2": boot kernel.old Yes, I have these lines in my /boot/loader.conf file: hw.vga.textmode=1 kern.vty=vt Back to square one? What do I need to do to use vt(4) so that I can cleanly exit from my daily Xorg sessions? Thanks again. Regards, web... -- /"\ ASCII RIBBON / William Bulley \ / CAMPAIGN AGAINST / X HTML E-MAIL AND / E-MAIL: web@umich.edu / \ LISTSERV POSTINGS / 72 characters width template ----------------------------------------->| From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 15 16:53:36 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8D8D5FA0 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:53:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 517F5C7 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:53:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-30-92.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.30.92]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0C3EA3CECD; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 18:53:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id s9FGrRYn002059; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 18:53:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 18:53:27 +0200 From: Polytropon To: William Bulley Subject: Re: exiting Xorg locks up 9.2-STABLE system Message-Id: <20141015185327.4fc2590d.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20141015162547.GJ3963@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> References: <20141015162547.GJ3963@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:53:36 -0000 On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 12:25:47 -0400, William Bulley wrote: > According to Polytropon on Wed, 10/15/14 at 12:18: > > > > The last line of your ~/.xinitrc file should be: > > > > exec /usr/local/bin/mwm > > > > This makes sure that the process "continues" as mwm, and when > > mwm exits, then X also exists. > > Thanks. The last line of my ~/.xinitrc file is: > > /usr/local/bin/mwm 2>&1 /dev/null > > and since I start Xorg thusly: > > /usr/local/bin/xinit -- /usr/local/bin/Xorg > > I had thought when I exit mwm(1) using the "f.quit_mwm" feature, > that then Xorg would exit. Is that not the case? Or am I missing > your point above? This configuration has been working for me for > about fifteen years. :-) Interesting, but it's not what The FreeBSD Handbook suggests and what _I_ have been using for about fifteen years. :-) The "exec" statement makes the xinit process "continue" as the window manager process. Its f.quit_mwm function exits the mwm program, but that does not have any effect on the X session - the session continues without a window manager (which is possible). Only if the X process is "connected" to the window manager process using "exec", it will exit, and so quit the X session entirely. This is what "init" or "startx" help to do: They source the .xinitrc file and execute it. Its last line, the "exec" statement, creates the "connection" between the X session and the program which has control over its life, usually the window manager - but it could also be an xterm, and when _that_ xterm is closed, the X session terminates. The line "exec /usr/local/bin/mwm" will do this. More details here: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/x11-wm.html -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 15 17:32:29 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 13488D4D for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 17:32:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [198.74.231.69]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D705175D for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 17:32:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [198.74.231.63]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 86AD546B20; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 13:32:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fledge.watson.org (doug@localhost.watson.org [127.0.0.1]) by fledge.watson.org (8.14.8/8.14.8) with ESMTP id s9FHWSq8022600; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 13:32:28 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by fledge.watson.org (8.14.8/8.14.8/Submit) with ESMTP id s9FHWRYU022597; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 13:32:27 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) X-Authentication-Warning: fledge.watson.org: doug owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 13:32:27 -0400 (EDT) From: doug@safeport.com X-X-Sender: doug@fledge.watson.org Reply-To: doug@fledge.watson.org To: William Bulley Subject: Re: exiting Xorg locks up 9.2-STABLE system In-Reply-To: <20141015160141.GA9220@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> Message-ID: References: <20141015160141.GA9220@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (fledge.watson.org [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 15 Oct 2014 13:32:28 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 17:32:29 -0000 On Wed, 15 Oct 2014, William Bulley wrote: > According to Warren Block on Wed, 10/15/14 at 11:08: >> >> If you are using a custom kernel, yes. GENERIC now contains both sc and vt, >> so vt must be selected by adding kern.vty=vt to /boot/loader.conf. > > It got worse... :-( > > After commenting out a couple of the "options" found in vt(4) from > my custom kernel config file, I was able to successfully run (as > "root"): > > unix# config MYKERNEL > > The next step was "make cleandepend" and that was fine. > > But running "make depend" caused this error: > > unix# make -V CFILES -V SYSTEM_CFILES -V GEN_CFILES | MKDEP_CPP="cc -E" CC="cc" xargs mkdep -a -f .newdep -O -pipe -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -nostdinc -I. -I../../.. -I../../../contrib/altq -I../../../contrib/ipfilter -I../../../contrib/pf -I../../../dev/ath -I../../../dev/ath/ath_hal -I../../../contrib/ngatm -I../../../dev/twa -I../../../gnu/fs/xfs/FreeBSD -I../../../gnu/fs/xfs/FreeBSD/support -I../../../gnu/fs/xfs -I../../../dev/cxgb -I../../../dev/cxgbe -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=8000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -mno-align-long-strings -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -mno-mmx -mno-sse -msoft-float -ffreestanding -fstack-protector > In file included from ../../../dev/fb/fbd.c:51: > ../../../dev/vt/vt.h:54:2: error: #error "Build with both syscons and vt is not supported. Please enable only one 'device sc' or 'device vt'" > In file included from ../../../dev/vt/font/vt_font_default.c:36: > ../../../dev/vt/vt.h:54:2: error: #error "Build with both syscons and vt is not supported. Please enable only one 'device sc' or 'device vt'" > In file included from ../../../dev/vt/font/vt_mouse_cursor.c:33: > ../../../dev/vt/vt.h:54:2: error: #error "Build with both syscons and vt is not supported. Please enable only one 'device sc' or 'device vt'" > In file included from ../../../dev/vt/hw/fb/vt_fb.c:40: > ../../../dev/vt/vt.h:54:2: error: #error "Build with both syscons and vt is not supported. Please enable only one 'device sc' or 'device vt'" > In file included from ../../../dev/vt/vt_buf.c:43: > ../../../dev/vt/vt.h:54:2: error: #error "Build with both syscons and vt is not supported. Please enable only one 'device sc' or 'device vt'" > In file included from ../../../dev/vt/vt_consolectl.c:38: > ../../../dev/vt/vt.h:54:2: error: #error "Build with both syscons and vt is not supported. Please enable only one 'device sc' or 'device vt'" > In file included from ../../../dev/vt/vt_core.c:55: > ../../../dev/vt/vt.h:54:2: error: #error "Build with both syscons and vt is not supported. Please enable only one 'device sc' or 'device vt'" > In file included from ../../../dev/vt/vt_font.c:39: > ../../../dev/vt/vt.h:54:2: error: #error "Build with both syscons and vt is not supported. Please enable only one 'device sc' or 'device vt'" > In file included from ../../../dev/vt/vt_sysmouse.c:51: > ../../../dev/vt/vt.h:54:2: error: #error "Build with both syscons and vt is not supported. Please enable only one 'device sc' or 'device vt'" > mkdep: compile failed > *** [.depend] Error code 1 > > Which causes me to ask: how in the heck can the GENERIC kernel have both > "devices" as you have stated? > > Regards, > > web... In my experience this problem stems no support for switching the video back to text mode. I have had this issue on the Dell and HP laptops since 8.x. For me (on the HP) it remains on 10.0. From my reading and this list the issue (for me). The last answer I got: "If you using Intel KMS it's a known problem that you can't switch to a virtual terminal once xorg is running - it hasn't been implemented yet AFAIK". It seems as you had this working this may not be your issue, but apparently this is a complex issue and being not windows not much vendor help is forth coming. I chip this in because from my [suspect] memory this issue has come and gone as I upgrade FreeBSD/Xorg. YMMV. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 15 18:56:36 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3BDA1A25 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 18:56:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from be-well.ilk.org (be-well.ilk.org [23.30.133.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14338F58 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 18:56:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 43C4033C4B; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 14:51:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Lowell Gilbert To: Polytropon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: exiting Xorg locks up 9.2-STABLE system References: <20141015162547.GJ3963@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> <20141015185327.4fc2590d.freebsd@edvax.de> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 14:51:02 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20141015185327.4fc2590d.freebsd@edvax.de> (Polytropon's message of "Wed, 15 Oct 2014 18:53:27 +0200") Message-ID: <44tx35w4ix.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 18:56:36 -0000 Polytropon writes: > On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 12:25:47 -0400, William Bulley wrote: >> According to Polytropon on Wed, 10/15/14 at 12:18: >> > >> > The last line of your ~/.xinitrc file should be: >> > >> > exec /usr/local/bin/mwm >> > >> > This makes sure that the process "continues" as mwm, and when >> > mwm exits, then X also exists. >> >> Thanks. The last line of my ~/.xinitrc file is: >> >> /usr/local/bin/mwm 2>&1 /dev/null >> >> and since I start Xorg thusly: >> >> /usr/local/bin/xinit -- /usr/local/bin/Xorg >> >> I had thought when I exit mwm(1) using the "f.quit_mwm" feature, >> that then Xorg would exit. Is that not the case? Or am I missing >> your point above? This configuration has been working for me for >> about fifteen years. :-) > > Interesting, but it's not what The FreeBSD Handbook suggests > and what _I_ have been using for about fifteen years. :-) > > The "exec" statement makes the xinit process "continue" as > the window manager process. Its f.quit_mwm function exits > the mwm program, but that does not have any effect on the > X session - the session continues without a window manager > (which is possible). Only if the X process is "connected" > to the window manager process using "exec", it will exit, > and so quit the X session entirely. Without "exec", the windows manager is running as a subprocess of shell executing the .xinitrc file. When it exits, the shell continues, runs the shell input to completion, and the shell process terminates, which also terminates the X server session. In other words, either way will work fine as far as this situation is concerned. Using "exec" avoids having an extra process sticking around, which is slightly more efficient -- but keeps your .xinitrc from being able to do any custom cleanup after the window manager exits. I venture to say that only a vanishing few would ever notice the difference. > This is what "init" or "startx" help to do: They source > the .xinitrc file and execute it. Its last line, the "exec" > statement, creates the "connection" between the X session > and the program which has control over its life, usually > the window manager - but it could also be an xterm, and > when _that_ xterm is closed, the X session terminates. > The line "exec /usr/local/bin/mwm" will do this. There are several factual errors in here, although nothing that the original poster would need to know. It's mostly a matter of not properly conveying the concept of a child process, or of the fact that a parent process (in these cases) waits for its child process to complete before continuing on with its own business. 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You mentioned that you recently upgraded to 9.2, but you didn't say what you upgraded from. It is possible that your kernel configuration didn't pick up all of the changes that might have been desirable. To be honest, custom kernels are really only worthwhile for very specialized appliations these days. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 15 19:58:23 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9685BA6C for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 19:58:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mout.perfora.net", Issuer "Thawte SSL CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6124D947 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 19:58:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from Walters-iMac.local (user-0c6s2ao.cable.mindspring.com [24.110.9.88]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mreueus003) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LqTBv-1Y9PXi0dGL-00e3l2; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 21:58:16 +0200 Message-ID: <543ED1D6.3000500@saveouraquifer.org> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 15:58:14 -0400 From: Walter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: minder Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:OK7uPtEQQ2az18lnO3Ah+r7Ud1Uir7y3cQDaO36cMRZ UxUnqn0TgSMPdakRGBybCekuqxlg2D4oeBuZmAEvFbdAtIYld1 fDxD62H7hRI1RqlVkOK71b+FuO1SLCoJPy08nz209SaPjUiqW7 8zRi4CFa7H6czL8NvFpezpt+zOjzec+iIv18WR1xNwb26fEHVT njA3s98SqAqe63rbpOIwnv+iMbKXKkGdq0TAyjBhlaiHq7WD4Y LJi28gbFJrU87c0+Urg1hYIzZEhInq4c80hHNTup70u7K7cRz1 ThWiuOKKs+45bgrIc4Dm67mxxABoXl4yjS6N6zoFT2rjlWuVQa qYCuesrupXfz8KAr3UkbXmXSBxg0R6dzI4Glwcp3J X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1; X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 19:58:23 -0000 I'm wanting to have (or write) a utility to keep a list of IP addresses of various computers so I can connect to them over the internet. I found 'minder' in the ports which seems to say that's what it does, but I can't find documentation on how to use it; the website: http://www.alhem.net/project/minder/ is not helpful. Anyone? On the other hand, if I write my own I can then expand it to do other p2p things, like synchronize file directories, chat, messages, remote program activation, et cetera. I looked a bit at: bitmessage - current retroshare - current kenosis - not current (last news: 2005) Kademlia - various dox - unknown opendchub - current microdc2 - ^^^^^ but it's hard to know how useful these are without trying them all, and I'm hoping people here can guide me. Ultimately, I'm interested in secure, encrypted p2p operations starting with basic messaging, which will run on Windows-something, Mac, and Linux (BSD) OS's. TIA, Walter From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 15 20:00:55 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 39A47E28 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 20:00:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CAD92973 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 20:00:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-30-92.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.30.92]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 82D252780A; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 22:00:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id s9FK0ovd002697; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 22:00:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 22:00:50 +0200 From: Polytropon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: exiting Xorg locks up 9.2-STABLE system Message-Id: <20141015220050.337de77d.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <44tx35w4ix.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> References: <20141015162547.GJ3963@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> <20141015185327.4fc2590d.freebsd@edvax.de> <44tx35w4ix.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Lowell Gilbert X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 20:00:55 -0000 On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 14:51:02 -0400, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > Polytropon writes: > > > On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 12:25:47 -0400, William Bulley wrote: > >> According to Polytropon on Wed, 10/15/14 at 12:18: > >> > > >> > The last line of your ~/.xinitrc file should be: > >> > > >> > exec /usr/local/bin/mwm > >> > > >> > This makes sure that the process "continues" as mwm, and when > >> > mwm exits, then X also exists. > >> > >> Thanks. The last line of my ~/.xinitrc file is: > >> > >> /usr/local/bin/mwm 2>&1 /dev/null > >> > >> and since I start Xorg thusly: > >> > >> /usr/local/bin/xinit -- /usr/local/bin/Xorg > >> > >> I had thought when I exit mwm(1) using the "f.quit_mwm" feature, > >> that then Xorg would exit. Is that not the case? Or am I missing > >> your point above? This configuration has been working for me for > >> about fifteen years. :-) > > > > Interesting, but it's not what The FreeBSD Handbook suggests > > and what _I_ have been using for about fifteen years. :-) > > > > The "exec" statement makes the xinit process "continue" as > > the window manager process. Its f.quit_mwm function exits > > the mwm program, but that does not have any effect on the > > X session - the session continues without a window manager > > (which is possible). Only if the X process is "connected" > > to the window manager process using "exec", it will exit, > > and so quit the X session entirely. > > Without "exec", the windows manager is running as a subprocess of > shell executing the .xinitrc file. When it exits, the shell continues, > runs the shell input to completion, and the shell process terminates, > which also terminates the X server session. > > In other words, either way will work fine as far as this situation is > concerned. Using "exec" avoids having an extra process sticking around, > which is slightly more efficient -- but keeps your .xinitrc from being > able to do any custom cleanup after the window manager exits. I venture > to say that only a vanishing few would ever notice the difference. This is a very good description. :-) > > This is what "init" or "startx" help to do: They source > > the .xinitrc file and execute it. Its last line, the "exec" > > statement, creates the "connection" between the X session > > and the program which has control over its life, usually > > the window manager - but it could also be an xterm, and > > when _that_ xterm is closed, the X session terminates. > > The line "exec /usr/local/bin/mwm" will do this. > > There are several factual errors in here, although nothing that the > original poster would need to know. It's mostly a matter of not properly > conveying the concept of a child process, or of the fact that a parent > process (in these cases) waits for its child process to complete before > continuing on with its own business. Yes, I didn't want to go too deeply into process chemistry, but your description is fully correct. That's what I wanted to express with "connection". :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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[213.64.218.92]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id 2sm7032290lai.36.2014.10.15.13.27.45 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 15 Oct 2014 13:27:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <543ED8C1.9090508@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 22:27:45 +0200 From: Rolf Nielsen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Walter , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: minder References: <543ED1D6.3000500@saveouraquifer.org> In-Reply-To: <543ED1D6.3000500@saveouraquifer.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 20:27:49 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-10-15 21:58, Walter wrote: > I'm wanting to have (or write) a utility to keep a list of IP > addresses of various computers so I can connect to them over the > internet. I found 'minder' in the ports which seems to say that's > what it does, but I can't find documentation on how to use it; the > website: http://www.alhem.net/project/minder/ is not helpful. > Anyone? > > On the other hand, if I write my own I can then expand it to do > other p2p things, like synchronize file directories, chat, > messages, remote program activation, et cetera. I looked a bit > at: > > bitmessage - current retroshare - current kenosis - not current > (last news: 2005) Kademlia - various dox - unknown opendchub - > current microdc2 - ^^^^^ > > but it's hard to know how useful these are without trying them > all, and I'm hoping people here can guide me. Ultimately, I'm > interested in secure, encrypted p2p operations starting with basic > messaging, which will run on Windows-something, Mac, and Linux > (BSD) OS's. And just as pear is a flavour of apple, BSD is really a flavour of Linux... 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Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultants, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Mon, 13 Oct 2014 19:16:16 -0700." Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 23:41:37 +0200 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 21:42:19 -0000 Waitman Gobble wrote: > On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 9:13 AM, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > > > Hi, Reference: > > > instead of people. After I talked to some people I now understand the > > > protocol is mostly standardized so it might be good to turn this into a > > > port, since it should theoretically work with all the modern RFID > > > chipsets. And "AFAIK" RFID tag stuff has been limited to MS OS > > computers. > > > > Nice of you offering to expand PD src for RFID :-) > > In case it helps, there was some discussion here > > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-usb/2014-February/012813.html > > > > & possible some other thread before / since I recall, > > (I havent used RFID but do have an RFID card reader) > I checked the link out, thanks. It seems to be a discussion about an > authentication device used for money transactions. My device (on one of the threads) was an RFID credit card reader, it's capable of reading German ID card apparently. The manufacturer published some code. One of the the threads suggested trying one of the FreeBSD ports that had some RFID. >From my http://www.berklix.com/~jhs/src/bsd/fixes/FreeBSD/src/jhs/etc/devd/berklix.co nf -> http://www.reiner-sct.com/produkte/chipkartenleser/cyberjack_RFID_basis.html > I checked out the Linux > driver sources for that device, there's reference to firmware file in the > code but I don't see the blob. Anyway I'm not sure my thing is compatible > with that particular type of reader device. OK, was just in case/ FYI Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Linux Unix C Sys Eng Consultant Munich http://berklix.com Indent previous with "> ". Interleave reply paragraphs like a play script. Send plain text, not quoted-printable, HTML, base64, or multipart/alternative. 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[141.213.135.249]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id bi7sm20722457wib.17.2014.10.15.14.52.13 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 15 Oct 2014 14:52:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 17:49:36 -0400 From: William Bulley To: Lowell Gilbert Subject: Re: exiting Xorg locks up 9.2-STABLE system Message-ID: <20141015214936.GB1350@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> Mail-Followup-To: Lowell Gilbert , Warren Block , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 21:52:23 -0000 According to Lowell Gilbert on Wed, 10/15/14 at 15:00: > > Can you try building and booting a GENERIC kernel, to at least > establish whether the problem is with your system or with your > kernel configuration? You mentioned that you recently upgraded to > 9.2, but you didn't say what you upgraded from. It is possible > that your kernel configuration didn't pick up all of the changes > that might have been desirable. I made a stupid typo in the Subject: line, but changing that would throw off any threading MUA applications or archivers. I made the "leap" from 9.2-STABLE to 9.3-STABLE a few days ago. At this time I rebuilt _all_ my ports from source -- I know, I know... :-) The idea of using the GENERIC kernel is a valid one and I thank you for the suggestion. I will be back in the office to try this out next week... > To be honest, custom kernels are really only worthwhile for very > specialized appliations these days. I've been doing this since the FreeBSD 2.16 days -- it has just become habit for me... :-( Regards, web... -- /"\ ASCII RIBBON / William Bulley \ / CAMPAIGN AGAINST / X HTML E-MAIL AND / E-MAIL: web@umich.edu / \ LISTSERV POSTINGS / 72 characters width template ----------------------------------------->| From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 15 22:12:50 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1CC8B592 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 22:12:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-in6.apple.com (mail-out6.apple.com [17.151.62.28]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DEB059F3 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 22:12:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay5.apple.com (relay5.apple.com [17.128.113.88]) by mail-in6.apple.com (Apple Secure Mail Relay) with SMTP id 94.14.24750.061FE345; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 15:12:48 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: 11973e15-f79956d0000060ae-ea-543ef160fca3 Received: from [17.149.235.147] (Unknown_Domain [17.149.235.147]) (using TLS with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by relay5.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with SMTP id C1.BC.20062.061FE345; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 15:12:49 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Subject: Re: exiting Xorg locks up 9.2-STABLE system From: Charles Swiger In-Reply-To: <20141015214936.GB1350@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 15:12:47 -0700 Message-Id: <3ECACBEF-4554-4946-BC06-933880868C94@mac.com> References: <20141015214936.GB1350@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> To: William Bulley X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFjrELMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUi2FAYoZvw0S7EYEU/i8XLr5tYLHrmzGFy YPKY8Wk+i8fbE32sAUxRXDYpqTmZZalF+nYJXBkTJ6UX7BOrmPG1oIHxnHAXIweHhICJRM86 1y5GTiBTTOLCvfVsILaQwF5GiU8LMiDiJhJrJ7xi72LkAor3M0n8XraEHSTBLJAg8eLxOhYQ m1fAQGLJrk3MILYwUMO/z5+ZQOazCahJTJjIAxLmFHCU6Hp+AKyERUBVYtGBvUwQY3Qlmm68 ZYQYYyVxdvNEdogbHCTOrJvACmKLCChJ3P4wiwXiHnmJDx+Og90jIdDDJvH8UTv7BEbBWUhO moXkJIi4vMT2t3OAbA4gW0di8kJGiLC2xLKFr5lh7I/njzAtYGRbxSiUm5iZo5uZZ6aXWFCQ k6qXnJ+7iREU6NPtRHcwnllldYhRgINRiYd3w17bECHWxLLiytxDjNIcLErivLM324UICaQn lqRmp6YWpBbFF5XmpBYfYmTi4JRqYFyscnr9nRSNiTqThReI3lvl0Porb1X/6z3ZnPu+/dt4 led12OGnx24zB/embKlLil5TpvdqwUbpqUlrnG+0cR2Jtv8vF8DOfoFHIdj0m+o0idqARbO8 7/EuLtl5zfIGa+s7ly9GRk3SihclzN95r4hbNVPcqP7+0b/Bc5sX39xnu9Kq/XvZYhYlluKM REMt5qLiRACR0gmyVQIAAA== X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFtrOLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUiOPX1ZN3Ej3YhBgvXMVu8/LqJxaJnzhwm ByaPGZ/ms3i8PdHHGsAUxWWTkpqTWZZapG+XwJUxcVJ6wT6xihlfCxoYzwl3MXJySAiYSKyd 8IodwhaTuHBvPVsXIxeHkEA/k8TvZUvAEswCCRIvHq9jAbF5BQwkluzaxAxiCwM1//v8mamL kYODTUBNYsJEHpAwp4CjRNfzA2AlLAKqEosO7GWCGKMr0XTjLSPEGCuJs5sngo0XEnCQOLNu AiuILSKgJHH7wywWiHvkJT58OM4+gZFvFpIrZiG5AiIuL7H97RwgmwPI1pGYvJARIqwtsWzh a2YY++P5I0wLGNlWMQoUpeYkVprqJRYU5KTqJefnbmIEBWdDYcQOxv/LrA4xCnAwKvHwbthr GyLEmlhWXJl7iFGCg1lJhLfjpl2IEG9KYmVValF+fFFpTmrxIUZpDhYlcd4j84CqBdITS1Kz U1MLUotgskwcnFINjI7vrp9oMzd+KiQZtfLt5cfbX+2TYThcnbhoyzzVvJDJ5QI9s7Nd3KRF 5fqZit/9nVDX2Ms9j0+Cg9Vihl701/05z98VTe3sdFSa+Wzarw/Rbjk7w/nPG8TKyy30yLoe p9Wkytg8Y9azvIfWH7qEJj34q7Xx0CWnlXdW8ST/FFw7/0jcxuCf7kosxRmJhlrMRcWJAK2V mRpKAgAA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: FreeBSD - X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 22:12:50 -0000 On Oct 15, 2014, at 2:49 PM, William Bulley wrote: > I made a stupid typo in the Subject: line, but changing that would > throw off any threading MUA applications or archivers. Mildly OT, but MUAs and list archive software uses the References: header for threading, not the Subject: header. (That's why folks sometimes note when someone replies to an existing thread, even if they send a new/unrelated message with a different Subject.) 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[141.213.135.249]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id wx3sm25268171wjc.19.2014.10.15.15.08.49 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 15 Oct 2014 15:08:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 18:06:12 -0400 From: William Bulley To: Warren Block Subject: Re: exiting Xorg locks up 9.2-STABLE system Message-ID: <20141015220612.GA1597@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> Mail-Followup-To: Warren Block , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 22:16:41 -0000 According to Warren Block on Wed, 10/15/14 at 11:08: > > If you are using a custom kernel, yes. GENERIC now contains both sc and vt, > so vt must be selected by adding kern.vty=vt to /boot/loader.conf. After seeing additional posts to this thread some seven hours later, I decided to look at the GENERIC kernel config file that came with my 9.3-STABLE upgrade. The GENERIC kernel config file (i386) is dated 10/7/2014 (the date of my upgrade) and the RCS/SCCS $Id$ line in that file looks like this: $FreeBSD: stable/9/sys/i386/conf/GENERIC 271233 2014-09-07 18:42:45Z markj $ But, but, this GENERIC kernel config file does _NOT_ contain the string "vt" ANYWHERE!!! So how can the above statement: "GENERIC now contains both sc and vt" possibly be true? I am still confused, but I would like to be able to exit my Xorg sessions cleanly (whether the "right" way using shell built-in "exec" or the "wrong" way by killing the window manager). :-) Oh, and BTW, I obtained the O/S source files using this command: # svn co svn://svn.freebsd.org/base/stable/9 src on 10/7/2014. Thanks again. Regards, web... -- /"\ ASCII RIBBON / William Bulley \ / CAMPAIGN AGAINST / X HTML E-MAIL AND / E-MAIL: web@umich.edu / \ LISTSERV POSTINGS / 72 characters width template ----------------------------------------->| From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 15 22:25:46 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3330E74B for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 22:25:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mout.perfora.net", Issuer "Thawte SSL CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F0901AE3 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 22:25:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from Walters-iMac.local (user-0c6s2ao.cable.mindspring.com [24.110.9.88]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mreueus003) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LkQWL-1YB84j3Gl1-00cPwS; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 00:25:44 +0200 Message-ID: <543EF466.3070908@saveouraquifer.org> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 18:25:42 -0400 From: Walter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: minder References: <543ED1D6.3000500@saveouraquifer.org> <543ED8C1.9090508@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <543ED8C1.9090508@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:VvgXqrMQnoNEh3kj1ZR2MTJqdCkHVujP4Z3a8J5E8cy SZXdTIcMkb3Bjk0Ju/faTFyncU7awlPByyieRvAi2+9Es07KuF mV5WwcFhot6zn/ynDK1JSAYReohrYb1Bv4xgsAbeWLK8Wt+9xy vgp/bvcrxcTHAQpJuCJStGgLvK9MD6I96p13htDf9vGxEtt8d0 F2l5MmRR0PKz7Y0T9ikaKTAZT60CD5Jt7qHsufRDLZsTZ+0ZmU +3osmoIjE+6eRuG+d6WT301QGSNICMiQM+LHveeta2J6eM7oBp grSl4EZWrfPP2QiPhc0kZ0hSJ0GOE7TijPsKLrpqYWP+K/fWht BYROgHYnOGrhEknPWXM7B/KsHM9+ThxtypasoxgTo X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1; X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 22:25:46 -0000 On 10/15/14, 4:27 PM, Rolf Nielsen wrote: > On 2014-10-15 21:58, Walter wrote: > > but it's hard to know how useful these are without trying them > > all, and I'm hoping people here can guide me. Ultimately, I'm > > interested in secure, encrypted p2p operations starting with basic > > messaging, which will run on Windows-something, Mac, and Linux > > (BSD) OS's. > > And just as pear is a flavour of apple, BSD is really a flavour of > Linux... Right? I may run BSD on some servers, but most people run Linux with a desktop. And if it runs on Linux, it will likely run under BSD. Or am I wrong on that? Or that most people use Linux over BSD? Walter From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 15 22:41:59 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 82247DDC for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 22:41:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from be-well.ilk.org (be-well.ilk.org [23.30.133.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59978CA7 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 22:41:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 491CF33C46; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 18:41:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Lowell Gilbert To: Warren Block Subject: Re: exiting Xorg locks up 9.2-STABLE system References: <20141015144925.GC3963@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 18:41:57 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Warren Block's message of "Wed, 15 Oct 2014 09:08:47 -0600 (MDT)") Message-ID: <4438apvtu2.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Cc: William Bulley , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 22:41:59 -0000 Warren Block writes: > On Wed, 15 Oct 2014, William Bulley wrote: > >> According to Warren Block on Wed, 10/15/14 at 10:34: >>> >>> Does it really lock up, or is it just that text console does not display >>> anything? Test by typing startx again. If that works, use vt(4): >>> https://wiki.freebsd.org/Newcons >>> That might require updating to 9.3 and the newer version of xorg. >> >> D'oh! Stupid typo. I recently upgraded to 9.3-STABLE and rebuilt >> all my ports from source. >> >> And, yes, I had WITH_NEW_XORG=true in my /etc/make.conf file before >> starting the rebuild of all my ports. >> >> Are you saying that (given all the above that I have done), this new >> problem that I have encountered can be eliminated by putting vt(4) in >> my kernel config file, rebuilding my kernel and then rebooting? > > If you are using a custom kernel, yes. GENERIC now contains both sc > and vt, so vt must be selected by adding kern.vty=vt to > /boot/loader.conf. Not on 9.3, as far as I can see. Have I missed something? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 15 22:43:42 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6DBF9A3 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 22:43:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1AE4BCC8 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 22:43:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s9FMhdcX082996 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:43:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id s9FMhdZP082993; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:43:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:43:39 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: William Bulley Subject: Re: exiting Xorg locks up 9.2-STABLE system In-Reply-To: <20141015160141.GA9220@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> Message-ID: References: <20141015160141.GA9220@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:43:39 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 22:43:42 -0000 On Wed, 15 Oct 2014, William Bulley wrote: > Which causes me to ask: how in the heck can the GENERIC kernel have both > "devices" as you have stated? It does in 10-STABLE, maybe 9.x does not have that capability... Yes, it looks that way from comparing GENERIC in both branches. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 15 22:44:56 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9D60814C for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 22:44:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4D0EECE0 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 22:44:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s9FMiskv083331 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:44:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id s9FMirL4083328; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:44:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:44:53 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Lowell Gilbert Subject: Re: exiting Xorg locks up 9.2-STABLE system In-Reply-To: <4438apvtu2.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Message-ID: References: <20141015144925.GC3963@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> <4438apvtu2.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:44:54 -0600 (MDT) Cc: William Bulley , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 22:44:56 -0000 On Wed, 15 Oct 2014, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > Warren Block writes: > >> On Wed, 15 Oct 2014, William Bulley wrote: >> >>> According to Warren Block on Wed, 10/15/14 at 10:34: >>>> >>>> Does it really lock up, or is it just that text console does not display >>>> anything? Test by typing startx again. If that works, use vt(4): >>>> https://wiki.freebsd.org/Newcons >>>> That might require updating to 9.3 and the newer version of xorg. >>> >>> D'oh! Stupid typo. I recently upgraded to 9.3-STABLE and rebuilt >>> all my ports from source. >>> >>> And, yes, I had WITH_NEW_XORG=true in my /etc/make.conf file before >>> starting the rebuild of all my ports. >>> >>> Are you saying that (given all the above that I have done), this new >>> problem that I have encountered can be eliminated by putting vt(4) in >>> my kernel config file, rebuilding my kernel and then rebooting? >> >> If you are using a custom kernel, yes. GENERIC now contains both sc >> and vt, so vt must be selected by adding kern.vty=vt to >> /boot/loader.conf. > > Not on 9.3, as far as I can see. Have I missed something? No, you're right. It appears that 9-STABLE only supports either sc or vt, but not both. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 15 22:44:59 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CFF5B14D for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 22:44:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from be-well.ilk.org (be-well.ilk.org [23.30.133.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9CBCCE1 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 22:44:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id EB89333C52; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 18:44:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Lowell Gilbert To: Charles Swiger Subject: Re: exiting Xorg locks up 9.2-STABLE system References: <20141015214936.GB1350@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> <3ECACBEF-4554-4946-BC06-933880868C94@mac.com> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 18:44:58 -0400 In-Reply-To: <3ECACBEF-4554-4946-BC06-933880868C94@mac.com> (Charles Swiger's message of "Wed, 15 Oct 2014 15:12:47 -0700") Message-ID: <44y4shuf4l.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Cc: William Bulley , FreeBSD - X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 22:44:59 -0000 Charles Swiger writes: > On Oct 15, 2014, at 2:49 PM, William Bulley wrote: >> I made a stupid typo in the Subject: line, but changing that would >> throw off any threading MUA applications or archivers. > > Mildly OT, but MUAs and list archive software uses the References: > header for threading, not the Subject: header. His e-mails, however, contain no "References:" headers at all. Which is strange, because other headers at least *claim* that he's using Mutt. At least he generates "In-Reply-To:" headers. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 15 23:26:37 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AB8F3B08 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 23:26:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5FF17130 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 23:26:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kabini1.local (rbn1-216-180-19-94.adsl.hiwaay.net [216.180.19.94]) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id s9FNQUwJ011444 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 18:26:30 -0500 Message-ID: <543F041D.7030206@hiwaay.net> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 18:32:45 -0500 From: "William A. Mahaffey III" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "FreeBSD Questions !!!!" Subject: Noob question .... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 23:26:37 -0000 As a card-carrying noob to FreeBSD, I have a question .... Recent posts have referred to version 9.3-STABLE of FreeBSD .... My uname output appears below, obviously labeled RELEASE, not STABLE .... How do I 'upgrade' from 9.3-RELEASE to 9.3-STABLE ? [wam@kabini1, ~, 3:44:36pm] 404 % uname -a; date FreeBSD kabini1.local 9.3-RELEASE FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE #0 r268512: Thu Jul 10 23:44:39 UTC 2014 root@snap.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 Wed Oct 15 18:28:06 CDT 2014 [wam@kabini1, ~, 6:28:06pm] 405 % -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 15 23:33:35 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CE922D73 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 23:33:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7BE6320F for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 23:33:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s9FNXRdD095409 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 15 Oct 2014 17:33:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id s9FNXPhn095406; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 17:33:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 17:33:25 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: doug@fledge.watson.org Subject: Re: exiting Xorg locks up 9.2-STABLE system In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20141015160141.GA9220@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 15 Oct 2014 17:33:27 -0600 (MDT) Cc: William Bulley , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 23:33:35 -0000 On Wed, 15 Oct 2014, doug@safeport.com wrote: > In my experience this problem stems no support for switching the video back > to text mode. I have had this issue on the Dell and HP laptops since 8.x. For > me (on the HP) it remains on 10.0. From my reading and this list the issue > (for me). > > The last answer I got: "If you using Intel KMS it's a known problem that you > can't switch to a virtual terminal once xorg is running - it hasn't been > implemented yet AFAIK". That is what vt(4) does, supports a KMS text console which still works after leaving X. It works on the Intel and Radeon systems I have tried. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 15 23:36:50 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 71046E6B for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 23:36:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 355F9235 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 23:36:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-30-92.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.30.92]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0BE9D3CD50; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 01:36:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id s9FNakWZ004835; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 01:36:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 01:36:46 +0200 From: Polytropon To: "William A. Mahaffey III" Subject: Re: Noob question .... Message-Id: <20141016013646.34d542e6.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <543F041D.7030206@hiwaay.net> References: <543F041D.7030206@hiwaay.net> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions !!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 23:36:50 -0000 On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 18:32:45 -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: > > > As a card-carrying noob to FreeBSD, I have a question .... Recent posts > have referred to version 9.3-STABLE of FreeBSD .... My uname output > appears below, obviously labeled RELEASE, not STABLE .... How do I > 'upgrade' from 9.3-RELEASE to 9.3-STABLE ? By checking out the required source and rebuilding your kernel and operating system. https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/current-stable.html https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/synching.html https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/makeworld.html Also see the comment header of /usr/src/Makefile which provides a short description of the targets and the updating procedure. However, you can use freebsd-update to binarily track security changes for the -RELEASE branch, keeping your system current. Note that -STABLE is a development branch, and even though it's stable, there _might_ be problems with it. The most experimental branch is -CURRENT or -HEAD from which -STABLE is "distilled", and from that, -RELEASE is usually being created. > [wam@kabini1, ~, 3:44:36pm] 404 % uname -a; date > FreeBSD kabini1.local 9.3-RELEASE FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE #0 r268512: Thu > Jul 10 23:44:39 UTC 2014 > root@snap.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 > Wed Oct 15 18:28:06 CDT 2014 > [wam@kabini1, ~, 6:28:06pm] 405 % That's quite current. I don't think using -STABLE improves your situation much - except of course you need very "bleeding edge" features which are not available for -RELEASE yet... -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 15 23:44:46 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8A0FB1A5 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 23:44:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 562DC334 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 23:44:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kabini1.local (rbn1-216-180-19-94.adsl.hiwaay.net [216.180.19.94]) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id s9FNiimp018920 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 18:44:45 -0500 Message-ID: <543F0863.60205@hiwaay.net> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 18:50:59 -0500 From: "William A. Mahaffey III" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "FreeBSD Questions !!!!" Subject: Re: Noob question .... References: <543F041D.7030206@hiwaay.net> <20141016013646.34d542e6.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20141016013646.34d542e6.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 23:44:46 -0000 On 10/15/14 18:36, Polytropon wrote: > On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 18:32:45 -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: >> >> As a card-carrying noob to FreeBSD, I have a question .... Recent posts >> have referred to version 9.3-STABLE of FreeBSD .... My uname output >> appears below, obviously labeled RELEASE, not STABLE .... How do I >> 'upgrade' from 9.3-RELEASE to 9.3-STABLE ? > By checking out the required source and rebuilding your > kernel and operating system. > > https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/current-stable.html > > https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/synching.html > > https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/makeworld.html > > Also see the comment header of /usr/src/Makefile which > provides a short description of the targets and the > updating procedure. > > However, you can use freebsd-update to binarily track > security changes for the -RELEASE branch, keeping your > system current. Note that -STABLE is a development branch, > and even though it's stable, there _might_ be problems > with it. The most experimental branch is -CURRENT or -HEAD > from which -STABLE is "distilled", and from that, -RELEASE > is usually being created. *Aaaaaaaaack* !!!! That clarifies an important misunderstanding for me .... I thought STABLE would be more/most stable, maybe a refinement on RELEASE .... Thx for the clarification. Also, how do I get freebsd-update to track changes ? The man page (dated July 14 2010) was a bit sparse .... I would like to know if newer stuff is available, & I couldn't see how to perhaps inquire about that w/ freebsd-update .... Thx & TIA .... > >> [wam@kabini1, ~, 3:44:36pm] 404 % uname -a; date >> FreeBSD kabini1.local 9.3-RELEASE FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE #0 r268512: Thu >> Jul 10 23:44:39 UTC 2014 >> root@snap.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 >> Wed Oct 15 18:28:06 CDT 2014 >> [wam@kabini1, ~, 6:28:06pm] 405 % > That's quite current. I don't think using -STABLE improves > your situation much - except of course you need very "bleeding > edge" features which are not available for -RELEASE yet... No, I am staying well away from bleeding edges these days, especially w/ this box (daily driver), quite new hardware notwithstanding (socket AM1 Jaguar CPU & mbd, purchased last April from NewEgg on the day it was 1st released/available). Thx :-) .... -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 15 23:44:47 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9DE2B1A6 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 23:44:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4D858335 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 23:44:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s9FNijdH098262 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 15 Oct 2014 17:44:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id s9FNij1O098259; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 17:44:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 17:44:45 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: "William A. Mahaffey III" Subject: Re: Noob question .... In-Reply-To: <543F041D.7030206@hiwaay.net> Message-ID: References: <543F041D.7030206@hiwaay.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 15 Oct 2014 17:44:45 -0600 (MDT) Cc: FreeBSD Questions !!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 23:44:47 -0000 On Wed, 15 Oct 2014, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: > > > As a card-carrying noob to FreeBSD, I have a question .... Recent posts have > referred to version 9.3-STABLE of FreeBSD .... My uname output appears below, > obviously labeled RELEASE, not STABLE .... How do I 'upgrade' from > 9.3-RELEASE to 9.3-STABLE ? Here is my article on that: http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/stable.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 15 23:46:59 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DB31325 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 23:46:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F2EBA354 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 23:46:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kabini1.local (rbn1-216-180-19-94.adsl.hiwaay.net [216.180.19.94]) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id s9FNkvBF019699 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 18:46:57 -0500 Message-ID: <543F08E8.6060502@hiwaay.net> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 18:53:12 -0500 From: "William A. Mahaffey III" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "FreeBSD Questions !!!!" Subject: Re: Noob question .... References: <543F041D.7030206@hiwaay.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 23:46:59 -0000 On 10/15/14 18:44, Warren Block wrote: > On Wed, 15 Oct 2014, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: > >> >> >> As a card-carrying noob to FreeBSD, I have a question .... Recent >> posts have referred to version 9.3-STABLE of FreeBSD .... My uname >> output appears below, obviously labeled RELEASE, not STABLE .... How >> do I 'upgrade' from 9.3-RELEASE to 9.3-STABLE ? > > Here is my article on that: > http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/stable.html > .... & the section defining STABLE provides much needed (for me) clarification :-) .... Thx, I think I will stay w/ RELEASE for now .... -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 16 00:00:28 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D3A6746F for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 00:00:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 972B263C for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 00:00:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-30-92.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.30.92]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0091E27694; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 02:00:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id s9G00PRX004948; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 02:00:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 02:00:25 +0200 From: Polytropon To: "William A. Mahaffey III" Subject: Re: Noob question .... Message-Id: <20141016020025.27547cc0.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <543F0863.60205@hiwaay.net> References: <543F041D.7030206@hiwaay.net> <20141016013646.34d542e6.freebsd@edvax.de> <543F0863.60205@hiwaay.net> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions !!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 00:00:28 -0000 On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 18:50:59 -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: > *Aaaaaaaaack* !!!! That clarifies an important misunderstanding for me > .... I thought STABLE would be more/most stable, maybe a refinement on > RELEASE .... Thx for the clarification. The name -STABLE is to be understood as "more stable than -CURRENT", because when you check out the development branch, it _might_ happen that it misbehaves or that it won't even compile; it can also happen that an experimental feature in -CURRENT is being removed later on. > Also, how do I get freebsd-update to track changes ? The man page (dated > July 14 2010) was a bit sparse .... I would like to know if newer stuff > is available, & I couldn't see how to perhaps inquire about that w/ > freebsd-update .... There isn't much work to do: freebsd-update does it out of the box. Just keep in mind that you can only use it to track -RELEASE, either follow the -RELEASE branch and add security updates, or increase the -RELEASE version number. Dealing with a custom kernel is also possible, but as few "custom additions" you have, the happier freebsd-update will be. :-) https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/updating-upgrading-freebsdupdate.html See 24.2.3. for details about program invocation. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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[213.64.218.92]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id lm8sm7186085lac.16.2014.10.15.17.07.31 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 15 Oct 2014 17:07:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <543F0C42.1060401@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 02:07:30 +0200 From: Rolf Nielsen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: minder References: <543ED1D6.3000500@saveouraquifer.org> <543ED8C1.9090508@gmail.com> <543EF466.3070908@saveouraquifer.org> In-Reply-To: <543EF466.3070908@saveouraquifer.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 00:07:34 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-10-16 00:25, Walter wrote: > On 10/15/14, 4:27 PM, Rolf Nielsen wrote: >> On 2014-10-15 21:58, Walter wrote: >>> but it's hard to know how useful these are without trying them >>> all, and I'm hoping people here can guide me. Ultimately, I'm >>> interested in secure, encrypted p2p operations starting with >>> basic messaging, which will run on Windows-something, Mac, and >>> Linux (BSD) OS's. >> >> And just as pear is a flavour of apple, BSD is really a flavour >> of Linux... Right? > I may run BSD on some servers, but most people run Linux with a > desktop. And if it runs on Linux, it will likely run under BSD. > > Or am I wrong on that? Or that most people use Linux over BSD? > > Walter That wasn't my point. My point was that the form "Linux (BSD)" is dangerously close to calling BSD a Linux distro, which it isn't. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To > unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJUPwxCAAoJEPJMW41Co4JgdhgP+gMtPh6Edh1EbLK6jQo/pSAg Mb9S9OM9uheLedQYFvm7ueRvpFIukXh5AAWAqQB3HY6NDz99rFR7cphu7odABUTo oUSTIaqK5lbmRBqhJdlYc96kvI2QyvgXJQG/yshJujwyjOY7ErjCbtNkSdZMbpMb 9iYvaMCoTzwzrkA0z/enpzM/pk6L6lPbMhmJ4ATn3saPBOmcrmgdcJ7I9zHjzubN bQUFCniqDAcIljkfj5Re3QejF75DYbqOVcJIJvaPTcn/0JYJ413YluGy/1ruagqb cP4NWVhvhGGwZco/mViaP1+2YMxwuDmxf0eDDcSGxHZma5/HFqmseyt/qSf2HZOH OY2hmGvgpOhZJViQ9lPrP8GmOmlfa7mvATCYZvSJwgPjPKlyn8T/uBdtIemUcMOy RDoj4zkrLFQP4OI3xsJavFPGlQyMuseUX4DELtIKfCL6Uon4ZvoxlXEOJpPm7Ltf ljWcv2RaPkcccAdOGE1XdHi864iDJvs9cxpF6T1wbwha3bLrEo5fc6lfgvzZ+Wsm PwNzZ8660qdMIbnl5J0/NScwVjmHnf0exsqoCLF/kWtk+Elz+Rq3BXp8FvYYrBgN vRARerxgPwHvHmU0+Q+H8DDVZ399vDrBoR2f+IJB3oy2jfFcUwzuR8BDPQBcdzpE 7Y1WVvPQlB4Qosd3b8tG =jrB+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 16 00:18:45 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 94ECF9AB for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 00:18:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 468CA858 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 00:18:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kabini1.local (rbn1-216-180-19-94.adsl.hiwaay.net [216.180.19.94]) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id s9G0IhlF000851 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 19:18:44 -0500 Message-ID: <543F105A.1090704@hiwaay.net> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 19:24:58 -0500 From: "William A. Mahaffey III" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "FreeBSD Questions !!!!" Subject: Re: Noob question .... References: <543F041D.7030206@hiwaay.net> <20141016013646.34d542e6.freebsd@edvax.de> <543F0863.60205@hiwaay.net> <20141016020025.27547cc0.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20141016020025.27547cc0.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 00:18:45 -0000 On 10/15/14 19:00, Polytropon wrote: > There isn't much work to do: freebsd-update does it out of the box. > Just keep in mind that you can only use it to track -RELEASE, either > follow the -RELEASE branch and add security updates, or increase the > -RELEASE version number. Dealing with a custom kernel is also > possible, but as few "custom additions" you have, the happier > freebsd-update will be. :-) > https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/updating-upgrading-freebsdupdate.html > See 24.2.3. for details about program invocation. *Booooyah* !!!! That web page mentions keeping a GENERIC kernel in /boot/GENERIC. I have *NO* plans to start using custom kernels, but if I cracked up & decided to, what exactly needs to be copied into /boot/GENERIC ? Just checking -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 16 00:23:42 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CB0C0A76 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 00:23:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (si-002-i86.relay.mailchannels.net [173.236.122.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA45090D for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 00:23:39 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: _forwarded-from|120.29.118.146 Received: from mail-24.name-services.com (ip-10-33-12-218.us-west-2.compute.internal [10.33.12.218]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 976B7100FD7; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 00:08:05 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: _forwarded-from|120.29.118.146 Received: from mail-24.name-services.com (mail-24.name-services.com [10.245.50.19]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.2.14); Thu, 16 Oct 2014 00:08:06 GMT X-MC-Relay: Forwarding X-MailChannels-SenderId: _forwarded-from|120.29.118.146 X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: demandmedia X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1413418085844:2075201418 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1413418085843 Received: from [192.168.111.107] (UnknownHost [120.29.118.146]) by mail-24.name-services.com with SMTP; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 17:02:52 -0700 Message-ID: <543F0B26.40805@a1poweruser.com> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 08:02:46 +0800 From: Fbsd8 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Walter Subject: Re: minder References: <543ED1D6.3000500@saveouraquifer.org> <543ED8C1.9090508@gmail.com> <543EF466.3070908@saveouraquifer.org> In-Reply-To: <543EF466.3070908@saveouraquifer.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 00:23:42 -0000 Walter wrote: > On 10/15/14, 4:27 PM, Rolf Nielsen wrote: >> On 2014-10-15 21:58, Walter wrote: >>> but it's hard to know how useful these are without trying them >>> all, and I'm hoping people here can guide me. Ultimately, I'm >>> interested in secure, encrypted p2p operations starting with basic >>> messaging, which will run on Windows-something, Mac, and Linux >>> (BSD) OS's. >> And just as pear is a flavour of apple, BSD is really a flavour of >> Linux... Right? > I may run BSD on some servers, but most people run Linux with > a desktop. And if it runs on Linux, it will likely run under BSD. > > Or am I wrong on that? Or that most people use Linux over BSD? > > Walter BSD IS NOT A FAVOR OF LINUX. FreeBSD and Linux are complete independent re-writes of Unix. The other BSD's are forks of FreeBSD. There are many open sourced software that are coded to execute on most flavors of Unix. Microsoft Windows is a completely independent operating system which internally is as different as night and day to the Unix flavored operating systems. Your above statement that "most people use linux over BSD" is just as wrong as saying "most people drive a Kia car over a VW". Each Unix favored operating system has different bells and whistles with their own loyal user groups. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 16 00:25:52 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 706B0BDD for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 00:25:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3100A925 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 00:25:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-30-92.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.30.92]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5E53527652; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 02:25:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id s9G0Pnl6005087; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 02:25:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 02:25:49 +0200 From: Polytropon To: "William A. Mahaffey III" Subject: Re: Noob question .... Message-Id: <20141016022549.e9052163.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <543F105A.1090704@hiwaay.net> References: <543F041D.7030206@hiwaay.net> <20141016013646.34d542e6.freebsd@edvax.de> <543F0863.60205@hiwaay.net> <20141016020025.27547cc0.freebsd@edvax.de> <543F105A.1090704@hiwaay.net> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions !!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 00:25:52 -0000 On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 19:24:58 -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: > On 10/15/14 19:00, Polytropon wrote: > > > > > There isn't much work to do: freebsd-update does it out of the box. > > Just keep in mind that you can only use it to track -RELEASE, either > > follow the -RELEASE branch and add security updates, or increase the > > -RELEASE version number. Dealing with a custom kernel is also > > possible, but as few "custom additions" you have, the happier > > freebsd-update will be. :-) > > https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/updating-upgrading-freebsdupdate.html > > See 24.2.3. for details about program invocation. > > *Booooyah* !!!! That web page mentions keeping a GENERIC kernel in > /boot/GENERIC. I have *NO* plans to start using custom kernels, but if I > cracked up & decided to, what exactly needs to be copied into > /boot/GENERIC ? Just checking It's not a bad idea to have such a kernel in place, just for the case that you can't currently imagine. When such a case happens, you can "boot GENERIC" and have a kernel that reliably works (because that's what GENERIC has been designed for). It doesn't take much space to do so, and it does not interfere with the rest of the system. You simply copy the whole /boot/kernel/* directory content to /boot/GENERIC/, which contains the kernel modules as well as the kernel itself. I think in case of the -RELEASE set, the *.symbol files will also be included. # cd /boot # cp -r kernel GENERIC The "make installkernel" procedure creates a backup of the previous kernel (which _could_ be the GENERIC kernel, but doesn't have to be). By providing your own GENERIC backup, you'll be safe in case of a failed kernel update. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 16 00:28:39 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 88B60DF1 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 00:28:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 52D82955 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 00:28:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kabini1.local (rbn1-216-180-19-94.adsl.hiwaay.net [216.180.19.94]) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id s9G0SbHi004805 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 19:28:37 -0500 Message-ID: <543F12AB.6070606@hiwaay.net> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 19:34:51 -0500 From: "William A. Mahaffey III" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "FreeBSD Questions !!!!" Subject: Re: Noob question .... References: <543F041D.7030206@hiwaay.net> <20141016013646.34d542e6.freebsd@edvax.de> <543F0863.60205@hiwaay.net> <20141016020025.27547cc0.freebsd@edvax.de> <543F105A.1090704@hiwaay.net> <20141016022549.e9052163.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20141016022549.e9052163.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 00:28:39 -0000 On 10/15/14 19:25, Polytropon wrote: > On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 19:24:58 -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: >> On 10/15/14 19:00, Polytropon wrote: >> >> >> >>> There isn't much work to do: freebsd-update does it out of the box. >>> Just keep in mind that you can only use it to track -RELEASE, either >>> follow the -RELEASE branch and add security updates, or increase the >>> -RELEASE version number. Dealing with a custom kernel is also >>> possible, but as few "custom additions" you have, the happier >>> freebsd-update will be. :-) >>> https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/updating-upgrading-freebsdupdate.html >>> See 24.2.3. for details about program invocation. >> *Booooyah* !!!! That web page mentions keeping a GENERIC kernel in >> /boot/GENERIC. I have *NO* plans to start using custom kernels, but if I >> cracked up & decided to, what exactly needs to be copied into >> /boot/GENERIC ? Just checking > It's not a bad idea to have such a kernel in place, just > for the case that you can't currently imagine. When such > a case happens, you can "boot GENERIC" and have a kernel > that reliably works (because that's what GENERIC has been > designed for). It doesn't take much space to do so, and > it does not interfere with the rest of the system. > > You simply copy the whole /boot/kernel/* directory content > to /boot/GENERIC/, which contains the kernel modules as well > as the kernel itself. I think in case of the -RELEASE set, > the *.symbol files will also be included. > > # cd /boot > # cp -r kernel GENERIC > > The "make installkernel" procedure creates a backup of the > previous kernel (which _could_ be the GENERIC kernel, but > doesn't have to be). By providing your own GENERIC backup, > you'll be safe in case of a failed kernel update. Excellent, thx. -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 16 00:36:08 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CA30E322 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 00:36:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mout.perfora.net", Issuer "Thawte SSL CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8838AA19 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 00:36:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from Walters-iMac.local (user-0c6s2ao.cable.mindspring.com [24.110.9.88]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mreueus001) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MXnyz-1Xh7zU3zAl-00Wnu4; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 02:36:01 +0200 Message-ID: <543F12EF.8020207@saveouraquifer.org> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 20:35:59 -0400 From: Walter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: minder References: <543ED1D6.3000500@saveouraquifer.org> <543ED8C1.9090508@gmail.com> <543EF466.3070908@saveouraquifer.org> <543F0C42.1060401@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <543F0C42.1060401@gmail.com> X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:Dd1fLoeQt5BF2OpB6hUhgynjS7czo09gmvz04Wu5wel akPBzMSRASIT2c+D1XowrPBeMxci4hGPAfzwBv+tLXTma3Rzg/ SP7afRjXJvVme4Ze/0Upb1WOlZMuTPyjst1ZkudcUOTAUAe0fz gOR9A39uCclj/yWfGoS4wOna8iqLrkxUGwQNnMKyC0esq2K3aW cGGq7dI3bwsj5/1sVqJmoJpD4blLpZJE34ho5iKDualLilqD5W CQj6BcB2qvSOJ9DgyKQTuBJNw6mJHfX0KCu4oLB8bbbsnfTGfk v4SbonLqnOVJI8tzwB9ehoYTE+2t65NUVTqVDBgwVUxzot0Ex7 C3MbFQZx3rHvJgG3kvPdKQzTyzkJxTVkRMBR4FPil X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 00:36:08 -0000 On 10/15/14, 8:07 PM, Rolf Nielsen wrote: > On 2014-10-16 00:25, Walter wrote: > > On 10/15/14, 4:27 PM, Rolf Nielsen wrote: > >> On 2014-10-15 21:58, Walter wrote: > >>> but it's hard to know how useful these are without trying them > >>> all, and I'm hoping people here can guide me. Ultimately, I'm > >>> interested in secure, encrypted p2p operations starting with > >>> basic messaging, which will run on Windows-something, Mac, and > >>> Linux (BSD) OS's. > >> > >> And just as pear is a flavour of apple, BSD is really a flavour > >> of Linux... Right? > > I may run BSD on some servers, but most people run Linux with a > > desktop. And if it runs on Linux, it will likely run under BSD. > > > Or am I wrong on that? Or that most people use Linux over BSD? > > > Walter > > That wasn't my point. My point was that the form "Linux (BSD)" is > dangerously close to calling BSD a Linux distro, which it isn't. I'll try to be clearer then: I know the BSD's are not Linux distributions. I know FreeBSD is it's own OS. But I also know FreeBSD has a Linux compatibility layer, where it can run Linux programs. Maybe not all of them, but at least some. Desktop Operating System Market Share: http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0 Windows 7 52.71% Market Share of Windows XP Windows XP 23.87% Market Share of Windows 8.1 Windows 8.1 6.67% Market Share of Windows 8 Windows 8 5.59% Market Share of Mac OS X 10.9 Mac OS X 10.9 4.05% Market Share of Windows Vista Windows Vista 3.07% Market Share of Linux Linux 1.64% Market Share of Mac OS X 10.6 Mac OS X 10.6 0.74% Market Share of Mac OS X 10.8 Mac OS X 10.8 0.60% Market Share of Mac OS X 10.7 Mac OS X 10.7 0.57% Market Share of Mac OS X 10.1 Mac OS X 10.1 0.25% Market Share of Mac OS X 10.5 Mac OS X 10.5 0.14% Market Share of Windows NT Windows NT 0.05% Market Share of Mac OS X 10.4 Mac OS X 10.4 0.04% Market Share of Windows 2000 Windows 2000 0.02% Market Share of Mac OS X (no version reported) Mac OS X (no version reported) 0.01% Market Share of Win64 Win64 0.00% Market Share of Windows 98 Windows 98 Linux has 1.64% market share, but no flavor of BSD makes the list. I don't think saying Linux is more popular should be a major point of contention. So, my thinking is that if a family of an application runs on Windows, Mac, and Linux, it would be popular enough not to die out, and likely to get all the bugs ironed out. AND, if it runs on Linux, FreeBSD will likely run it too; that's what I meant by my poorly written words "Linux (BSD)." So, can someone help me with a URL to find Minder documentation, and can I elicit experiences with BitMessage, RetroShare, OpenDC, and the like. I'll be starting with FreeBSD and Mac but intend to add Windows and would like to include Linux also. Thanks. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 16 00:49:26 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2018E9AC for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 00:49:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wg0-f46.google.com (mail-wg0-f46.google.com [74.125.82.46]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AB0CDB25 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 00:49:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f46.google.com with SMTP id l18so2561359wgh.17 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 17:49:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition :user-agent; bh=QgDua4hPAHHPM4YhbfPw8XqTAivUM2+LeFvw8RD1h3w=; b=FhfJD7nzg0ybfI0CI4LOHu68CXLS7EaWnbZNPzzb1tHAVeLKVVwhnn8TTdcD3b87Ul ipMuUYUi0a1mUqgvCIbV9eR6WHACxo5W8HTcVTdaSoX4XLNHTv5JjBIzfzaXC+Ay1k8G q9T2jevYTY2e9Hc7oK/T4dEek3s60WV2MlHyjQVgzXkrwfi9DTtVhn5Cr3jmOteeB1ff pwI6SVGiqE+BOGWEIlvRDxvdONYMygpYHxg8em+nSkanYYy5Plbm8Pid2fFsx4/dyQCQ 6yjQVsf546inMlBNcaoBRCPyUT/P3VVKXzWHQhuwjgwFPaanr+f7yNpOrtYZocoFIf8o a65w== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkJjR0mhB1+JWkFhWFnoLWYg5qSDEcmooqBsZBIfMPw3PaxKIQo0TYJyByktpCj+qNyQjOx X-Received: by 10.194.192.73 with SMTP id he9mr6801203wjc.125.1413420563009; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 17:49:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu. [141.213.135.249]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id fa7sm25558639wjd.27.2014.10.15.17.49.21 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 15 Oct 2014 17:49:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 20:46:45 -0400 From: William Bulley To: Lowell Gilbert Subject: Re: exiting Xorg locks up 9.2-STABLE system Message-ID: <20141016004645.GD1350@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> Mail-Followup-To: Lowell Gilbert , Charles Swiger , FreeBSD - MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Cc: FreeBSD - X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 00:49:26 -0000 According to Lowell Gilbert on Wed, 10/15/14 at 18:44: > > His e-mails, however, contain no "References:" headers at all. > > Which is strange, because other headers at least *claim* that > he's using Mutt. At least he generates "In-Reply-To:" headers. Yes, I'm a mutt(1) user. I don't know about "References:" however... :-( Regards, web... -- /"\ ASCII RIBBON / William Bulley \ / CAMPAIGN AGAINST / X HTML E-MAIL AND / E-MAIL: web@umich.edu / \ LISTSERV POSTINGS / 72 characters width template ----------------------------------------->| From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 16 00:49:32 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 04E74A2A for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 00:49:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 968C6B26 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 00:49:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-30-92.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.30.92]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BA9AF27616; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 02:49:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id s9G0nTLG005409; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 02:49:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 02:49:29 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Walter Subject: Re: minder Message-Id: <20141016024929.80d7e254.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <543F12EF.8020207@saveouraquifer.org> References: <543ED1D6.3000500@saveouraquifer.org> <543ED8C1.9090508@gmail.com> <543EF466.3070908@saveouraquifer.org> <543F0C42.1060401@gmail.com> <543F12EF.8020207@saveouraquifer.org> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 00:49:32 -0000 On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 20:35:59 -0400, Walter wrote: > I'll try to be clearer then: I know the BSD's are not Linux distributions. > I know FreeBSD is it's own OS. But I also know FreeBSD has a Linux > compatibility layer, where it can run Linux programs. Maybe not all > of them, but at least some. The future will tell if this tendency will be kept or lost. Especially with Linux being a _different_ OS from FreeBSD, incompatibilities arise. Most software is being developed for Linux first, and then ported to FreeBSD. This is not always simple or even possible. Just see the HAL situation and the upcoming problems with deep integration of Linux cgroups and systemd support in desktop environments and single programs. > Desktop Operating System Market Share: > [...] > Linux has 1.64% market share, but no flavor of BSD makes the list. > I don't think saying Linux is more popular should be a major point of > contention. FreeBSD does not have a market share, because it does not operate on a market, making money from unit sales. Showing a comparison of "usage share" would be more accurate, but due to the FreeBSD licensing (often criticized as a "rape me license") the required information cannot be obtained. There's no way to tell in how many appliances, routers, NAS, server products or embedded systems a BSD is running because the manufacturer doesn't have to advertise the fact that he took a BSD as a foundation to create a product to make money. And according to the BSD license, that's fully legal. Linux probably isn't much different. It's also being used in similar ways (applicances, software compilations, media devices, firewalls etc.). This does probably not count to the "desktop OS" market, but it's a use of Linux anyway. And if you obtain the "market share" values by examining web browser User-Agent strings, well... ;-) > So, my thinking is that if a family of an application runs on Windows, > Mac, and Linux, it would be popular enough not to die out, and > likely to get all the bugs ironed out. You can't make a statement like "all the bugs" where "all" is an unknown (but probably finite) number. :-) > AND, if it runs on Linux, FreeBSD > will likely run it too; that's what I meant by my poorly written words > "Linux (BSD)." This is probably true, but depends on the application in question. You could also say: "If it runs on 'Windows', it will likely run with wine on FreeBSD." Stating "runs on 'Windows' (BSD)" might still lead to confusion. :-) Basically, you're fully right, and it's common to assume that programs running on Linux will run on FreeBSD (through the Linux ABI) too, if there isn't a native port for that program. But you actually need to _verify_ this for every single case. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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[141.213.135.249]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id lk6sm25565470wjb.26.2014.10.15.17.53.04 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 15 Oct 2014 17:53:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 20:50:27 -0400 From: William Bulley To: Warren Block Subject: Re: exiting Xorg locks up 9.2-STABLE system Message-ID: <20141016005027.GE1350@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> Mail-Followup-To: Warren Block , Lowell Gilbert , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Cc: Lowell Gilbert , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 00:53:08 -0000 According to Warren Block on Wed, 10/15/14 at 18:44: > > No, you're right. It appears that 9-STABLE only supports either sc or vt, > but not both. Okay, so if I'm unwilling to jump to 10.x at this point (having just upgraded to 9.3-STABLE from 9.2-STABLE), what's a fellow to do about this apparent failure mode (when exiting an Xorg session) on 9.3-STABLE? Do I try to use the vt(4) device (which seems to have failed me this morning) or stick with sc(4) (where things seem to hang when exiting my Xorg sessions)? Appears to be a bit of a Catch-22 to my thinking... :-( Regards, web... -- /"\ ASCII RIBBON / William Bulley \ / CAMPAIGN AGAINST / X HTML E-MAIL AND / E-MAIL: web@umich.edu / \ LISTSERV POSTINGS / 72 characters width template ----------------------------------------->| From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 16 01:01:03 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 73D2ADED for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 01:01:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wg0-f43.google.com (mail-wg0-f43.google.com [74.125.82.43]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0428DCD1 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 01:01:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f43.google.com with SMTP id m15so2553328wgh.26 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 18:00:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition :user-agent; bh=9FWeWTUXkM8q1XZEqd6TJtXNK6zdFEw2Ggq8iq6xB2o=; b=W8f3CRIJIXCObtOkYj0BWlXELC4FS1WUPy3/UJRpOfIId3orsZ3U+p3NfT7LAOUDUW fXJOA9yzYyX9hm/KdzWbSIqpoS8rTAPj6SSld/lG2hQ/wZ7a2K9BhOUrtEHVmRQLOJsu pYvJyh29uXVuoedgumg4+02LtsE5cT09NDI8b16n/6gy9tYdBzLPsC98/l3ZyVI4hDGB yOe1Z6VQioRXEqO1qDYO8vKw4Xpvk1iaweH0mRJLHdzZXMamtFL/ZMNbP+YmuUw4oHHN nlufHjHEuZba3MNXLwM4zt/bth74c5y72vwGUGtvdMdIeRwtVwb9hM0/OBiiss3WFBll q1GQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnIEzjOmrRr5rSjhoQ/vxx6r67CA1nCHBF89mxmvpvw3AOZABwdtKLeLm9VQb5hss+W6+cw X-Received: by 10.195.12.45 with SMTP id en13mr13872336wjd.97.1413421255203; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 18:00:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu. [141.213.135.249]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id he2sm159678wib.4.2014.10.15.18.00.54 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 15 Oct 2014 18:00:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 20:58:17 -0400 From: William Bulley To: Warren Block Subject: Re: exiting Xorg locks up 9.2-STABLE system Message-ID: <20141016005817.GF1350@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> Mail-Followup-To: Warren Block , doug@fledge.watson.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Cc: doug@fledge.watson.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 01:01:03 -0000 According to Warren Block on Wed, 10/15/14 at 19:33: > > That is what vt(4) does, supports a KMS text console which still works after > leaving X. It works on the Intel and Radeon systems I have tried. Then maybe the missing piece here (for 9.3-STABLE) is to include the KMS feature (if that is part of 9.3-STABLE)? I think I had stated earlier (much earlier) in this thread that I have a Radeon video card. My desired sequence: 1) log into FreeBSD 9.3-STABLE at the console (vty?) level 2) begin my Xorg session (% /usr/local/bin/xinit -- /usr/local/bin/Xorg) 3) perform whatever I need to do with xterms, browsers, editors, etc. 4) exit my Xorg session (thereby returning to the console (vty?) level) 5) log off FreeBSD 9.3-STABLE leaving my monitor at the ;login: prompt My problem (after upgrading to 9.3-STABLE and WITH_NEW_XORG=TRUE) is with step #4 above. Things appear to hang and I'm forced to reboot or to cycle power (which is a bummer due to fsck(8) taking so long) since I'm unable to log off cleanly. I still don't know what to do... :-( Regards, web... -- /"\ ASCII RIBBON / William Bulley \ / CAMPAIGN AGAINST / X HTML E-MAIL AND / E-MAIL: web@umich.edu / \ LISTSERV POSTINGS / 72 characters width template ----------------------------------------->| From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 16 01:34:39 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 39BD4421 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 01:34:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.52.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F247EF73 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 01:34:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id E61F5CB8C9E; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 20:34:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 76.192.184.214 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 20:34:31 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <57856.76.192.184.214.1413423271.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <543F12EF.8020207@saveouraquifer.org> References: <543ED1D6.3000500@saveouraquifer.org> <543ED8C1.9090508@gmail.com> <543EF466.3070908@saveouraquifer.org> <543F0C42.1060401@gmail.com> <543F12EF.8020207@saveouraquifer.org> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 20:34:31 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: minder From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "Walter" Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 01:34:39 -0000 On Wed, October 15, 2014 7:35 pm, Walter wrote: > On 10/15/14, 8:07 PM, Rolf Nielsen wrote: >> On 2014-10-16 00:25, Walter wrote: >> > On 10/15/14, 4:27 PM, Rolf Nielsen wrote: >> >> On 2014-10-15 21:58, Walter wrote: >> >>> but it's hard to know how useful these are without trying them >> >>> all, and I'm hoping people here can guide me. Ultimately, I'm >> >>> interested in secure, encrypted p2p operations starting with >> >>> basic messaging, which will run on Windows-something, Mac, and >> >>> Linux (BSD) OS's. >> >> >> >> And just as pear is a flavour of apple, BSD is really a flavour >> >> of Linux... Right? >> > I may run BSD on some servers, but most people run Linux with a >> > desktop. And if it runs on Linux, it will likely run under BSD. >> >> > Or am I wrong on that? Or that most people use Linux over BSD? >> >> > Walter >> >> That wasn't my point. My point was that the form "Linux (BSD)" is >> dangerously close to calling BSD a Linux distro, which it isn't. > I'll try to be clearer then: I know the BSD's are not Linux distributions. > I know FreeBSD is it's own OS. But I also know FreeBSD has a Linux > compatibility layer, where it can run Linux programs. Maybe not all > of them, but at least some. > > Desktop Operating System Market Share: > http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0 > Windows 7 > > 52.71% > Market Share of Windows XP > > Windows > XP > > 23.87% > Market Share of Windows 8.1 > > Windows > 8.1 > > 6.67% > Market Share of Windows 8 > > Windows > 8 > > 5.59% > Market Share of Mac OS X 10.9 > > Mac > OS X 10.9 > > 4.05% > Market Share of Windows Vista > > Windows > Vista > > 3.07% > Market Share of Linux > > Linux > > 1.64% > Market Share of Mac OS X 10.6 > > Mac > OS X 10.6 > > 0.74% > Market Share of Mac OS X 10.8 > > Mac > OS X 10.8 > > 0.60% > Market Share of Mac OS X 10.7 > > Mac > OS X 10.7 > > 0.57% > Market Share of Mac OS X 10.1 > > Mac > OS X 10.1 > > 0.25% > Market Share of Mac OS X 10.5 > > Mac > OS X 10.5 > > 0.14% > Market Share of Windows NT > > Windows > NT > > 0.05% > Market Share of Mac OS X 10.4 > > Mac > OS X 10.4 > > 0.04% > Market Share of Windows 2000 > > Windows > 2000 > > 0.02% > Market Share of Mac OS X (no version reported) > > Mac > OS X (no version reported) > > 0.01% > Market Share of Win64 > > Win64 > > 0.00% > Market Share of Windows 98 > > Windows > 98 > > > > > Linux has 1.64% market share, but no flavor of BSD makes the list. > I don't think saying Linux is more popular should be a major point of > contention. > > So, my thinking is that if a family of an application runs on Windows, > Mac, and Linux, it would be popular enough not to die out, and > likely to get all the bugs ironed out. AND, if it runs on Linux, FreeBSD > will likely run it too; that's what I meant by my poorly written words > "Linux (BSD)." > > So, can someone help me with a URL to find Minder documentation, and > can I elicit experiences with BitMessage, RetroShare, OpenDC, and the > like. > I'll be starting with FreeBSD and Mac but intend to add Windows and would > like to include Linux also. Thanks. > Who is the provider of information? Oh, it is [hell, who knows them].com How that data has been collected? Oh, yes, I see, they are bases on Windoze themselves (you see .aspx, do you?). Do you really think any serious server in the World can be based on Windoze. Well, M$ itself had a bunch of servers running under FreeBSD. So it is kind of clear they can not be taken seriously. And I kind of know who pays for the "information" presented, and I'm not surprised to see what I see. Certainly they didn't count my FreeBSD workstation and laptop. Not to mention a bunch of FreeBSD servers ;-) Valeri ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 16 01:44:59 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 81C3F535 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 01:44:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server1.shellworld.net (shellworld.net [69.60.117.94]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5671FD4 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 01:44:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server1.shellworld.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server1.shellworld.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A26EF228B7 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 21:35:08 -0400 (EDT) To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD and accessibility MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <23190.1413423308.1@server1.shellworld.net> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 20:35:08 -0500 From: "Martin G. McCormick" Message-Id: <20141016013508.A26EF228B7@server1.shellworld.net> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 01:44:59 -0000 This particular thread is a month old so I apologize in advance as that is a long time in discussion list years, so to speak. I am blind, also and have been using unix for a bit over 25 years. I had gotten a little behind on following the FreeBSD list but this discussion warrants some further input. The unix-like operating systems are a model of accessibility when compared with other well-known OS's. To tap in to all this usefulness, however, one needs a way in and that can be a problem at times. until about 6 years ago, I used a P.C. running MSDOS, a special box which was a hardware-based speech synthesizer and the MSKermit application which is an excellent terminal emulator as well as a file-transfer protocol. If a unix system had a serial tty port, one could configure that port to be a login console and then all you needed to make your system in to a talking terminal in to the unix system was a null-modem serial cable or to have the unix system connected to a modem or serial concentrator. One could run that unix system to one's heart's content via a serial console port. As for installations of FreeBSD on to a new system, One could make that fully accessible by re-burning the installation CD after modifying a small file in the /boot directory of the installation CD so that it now comes up accessing both the local screen or video display as well as any RS-232 ports on the target system that you designate as a serial console. You then hear or read in Braille everything sent to the local video display. You can answer the prompts and do your work just fine as long as you are running the correct terminal emulation on your talking system. The basic idea is that the target system doesn't need to know anything about speech or Braille but it definitely does need to have this serial console port enabled or it is just another sealed up system that you won't be able to do anything with. In modern times, RS-232 ports are becoming scarce so getting in to an installation to remotely access it is becoming a problem again. This is where things are becoming frustrating once again. I need to install FreeBSD 9.1 right now on a brand new system since it is a replacement for an older system that may be failing. I have discovered that it seems nigh impossible to re-build the FreeBSD installation disks due to some problem with tar and the extraction process. I originally was going to use the FreeBSD memstick image and install via a thumb drive but the new system appears to not boot from the thumb drive even though it sees it according to a sighted coworker who hooked up a monitor and watched it ignore the usb drive. I tried first a modified memstick image and then tried the straight memstick image with no mods at all to see if maybe I was killing it's bootability. That system just refuses to even start to boot. So basically, you should be able to make a FreeBSD installation accessible to either speech or Braille by virtue of it's being unix-like and thus blessed with standard input and output. The problems I am having right now will probably eventually be solved but Ah, for the good old days when one could just get tar to do what it is supposed to do and not produce an image file twice as large as it should. For those not familiar with what I am referring to, look at recent discussion archives and postings from me about this problem. A great solution would also be a MFS-based method to communicate over a network with the installer-- anythingbesides just the video output display. Polytropon writes: > On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 11:14:29 -0400, Littlefield, Tyler wrote: > > I'm not sure how this is supposed to work. The braille readouts > > you speak of are called braille displays. > > I'm also not entirely sure how they worked, but I can > imagine the following way: > > The text output on the screen is directly correlated > with a specific region in the RAM. If I remember > correctly, that is 0x8800 for color screens (VGA, > EGA, CGA) and 0x8000 for b/w screens (MDA, "Hercules"). > The regions are 4000 bytes in size: 80x25 characters > are 2000 bytes text, plus another 2000 bytes color > (one byte to hold background, foreground, attributes). > So a TSR was installed to "scan" that memory region > and transfer the character information (and stripping > color information) via serial port to the Braille display > which would then output it. Having _that_ kind of access > to the screen content is quite easy. I know because I > once wrote a program that copied the text of the color > screen to the b/w screen. In Pascal. Real programmers > don't use Pascal, but I was young and stupid. :-) Whatever works! I used 8086-based assembler to write functionally similar code to push at that hardware-based speech synthesizer. Trust me. We don't need to go there these days. We just need to make the good things that are available now work and fortunately, they usually do. Most of the FreeBSD systems I have set up do not have sound cards and are up to 150 miles away when in their proper operating location so what you want is what is called a headless installation. Martin From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 16 02:10:36 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 002E1997 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 02:10:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9F56233F for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 02:10:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s9G2ARW4034716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 15 Oct 2014 20:10:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id s9G2ARkB034713; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 20:10:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 20:10:27 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: William Bulley Subject: Re: exiting Xorg locks up 9.2-STABLE system In-Reply-To: <20141016005027.GE1350@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> Message-ID: References: <20141016005027.GE1350@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 15 Oct 2014 20:10:28 -0600 (MDT) Cc: Lowell Gilbert , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 02:10:36 -0000 On Wed, 15 Oct 2014, William Bulley wrote: > According to Warren Block on Wed, 10/15/14 at 18:44: >> >> No, you're right. It appears that 9-STABLE only supports either sc or vt, >> but not both. > > Okay, so if I'm unwilling to jump to 10.x at this point (having just > upgraded to 9.3-STABLE from 9.2-STABLE), what's a fellow to do about > this apparent failure mode (when exiting an Xorg session) on 9.3-STABLE? > > Do I try to use the vt(4) device (which seems to have failed me this > morning) or stick with sc(4) (where things seem to hang when exiting > my Xorg sessions)? Appears to be a bit of a Catch-22 to my thinking... :-( The path of least resistance is to add vt to the GENERIC kernel config that comes with 9.3 and try to build that. The thought is that your custom kernel config may be missing things that vt needs. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 16 02:23:00 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D30E8B3D for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 02:23:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 83881606 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 02:23:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s9G2MwIt037813 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 15 Oct 2014 20:22:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id s9G2Mv0m037810; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 20:22:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 20:22:57 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: William Bulley Subject: Re: exiting Xorg locks up 9.2-STABLE system In-Reply-To: <20141016005817.GF1350@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> Message-ID: References: <20141016005817.GF1350@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 15 Oct 2014 20:22:58 -0600 (MDT) Cc: doug@fledge.watson.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 02:23:00 -0000 On Wed, 15 Oct 2014, William Bulley wrote: > According to Warren Block on Wed, 10/15/14 at 19:33: >> >> That is what vt(4) does, supports a KMS text console which still works after >> leaving X. It works on the Intel and Radeon systems I have tried. > > Then maybe the missing piece here (for 9.3-STABLE) is to include the > KMS feature (if that is part of 9.3-STABLE)? I think I had stated > earlier (much earlier) in this thread that I have a Radeon video card. > > My desired sequence: > > 1) log into FreeBSD 9.3-STABLE at the console (vty?) level > > 2) begin my Xorg session (% /usr/local/bin/xinit -- /usr/local/bin/Xorg) > > 3) perform whatever I need to do with xterms, browsers, editors, etc. > > 4) exit my Xorg session (thereby returning to the console (vty?) level) > > 5) log off FreeBSD 9.3-STABLE leaving my monitor at the ;login: prompt > > My problem (after upgrading to 9.3-STABLE and WITH_NEW_XORG=TRUE) is > with step #4 above. Things appear to hang and I'm forced to reboot > or to cycle power (which is a bummer due to fsck(8) taking so long) > since I'm unable to log off cleanly. I still don't know what to do... :-( "Appear to hang", yes. But have you tried blindly typing "startx" and enter again? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 16 02:25:32 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 59616E54 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 02:25:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from idcmail-mo1so.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo1so.shaw.ca [24.71.223.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17E1F627 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 02:25:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pd2mr1so-ssvc.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.141.110]) by pd4mo1so-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 15 Oct 2014 20:25:25 -0600 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.1 cv=s+0R4JzlRBUW8GXF//6L4/AwYJegyFoFyppZH3AfVto= c=1 sm=1 a=FKkrIqjQGGEA:10 a=BLceEmwcHowA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=9lKKxuPNAAAA:8 a=5mcg790sAAAA:8 a=Egt7mgeBkfc-Lbbyc7MA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=9rsXVv_AoXEA:10 a=gdz70AyagvgA:10 a=FmFjq_XsxoQA:10 a=V9bHfo9xCFkA:10 a=SV7veod9ZcQA:10 a=KmvEVN2X624SDG_B:21 a=turk-xDMAH8uMqj8:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Received: from unknown (HELO cds005.dcs.int.inet) ([10.0.141.22]) by pd2mr1so-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 15 Oct 2014 20:25:25 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Client-ID: 3635 X-Mailer: BlackBerry Email (10.2.1.3247) X-Mailer: Zimbra 7.1.4_GA_2567 (MobileSync - RIM-Q10-SQN100-1/10.2.1.3247) Message-ID: <20141016022524.6484117.6250.3635@shaw.ca> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 20:25:25 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: minder From: Dale Scott In-Reply-To: <57856.76.192.184.214.1413423271.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> References: <543ED1D6.3000500@saveouraquifer.org> <543ED8C1.9090508@gmail.com> <543EF466.3070908@saveouraquifer.org> <543F0C42.1060401@gmail.com> <543F12EF.8020207@saveouraquifer.org> <57856.76.192.184.214.1413423271.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> To: Walter Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 02:25:32 -0000 =A0 Original Message =A0 From: Valeri Galtsev Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 7:34 PM To: Walter Reply To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: minder On Wed, October 15, 2014 7:35 pm, Walter wrote: > On 10/15/14, 8:07 PM, Rolf Nielsen wrote: >> On 2014-10-16 00:25, Walter wrote: >> > On 10/15/14, 4:27 PM, Rolf Nielsen wrote: >> >> On 2014-10-15 21:58, Walter wrote: >> >>> but it's hard to know how useful these are without trying them >> >>> all, and I'm hoping people here can guide me. Ultimately, I'm >> >>> interested in secure, encrypted p2p operations starting with >> >>> basic messaging, which will run on Windows-something, Mac, and >> >>> Linux (BSD) OS's. >> >> >> >> And just as pear is a flavour of apple, BSD is really a flavour >> >> of Linux... Right? >> > I may run BSD on some servers, but most people run Linux with a >> > desktop. And if it runs on Linux, it will likely run under BSD. >> >> > Or am I wrong on that? Or that most people use Linux over BSD? >> >> > Walter >> >> That wasn't my point. My point was that the form "Linux (BSD)" is >> dangerously close to calling BSD a Linux distro, which it isn't. > I'll try to be clearer then: I know the BSD's are not Linux distributions= . > I know FreeBSD is it's own OS. But I also know FreeBSD has a Linux > compatibility layer, where it can run Linux programs. Maybe not all > of them, but at least some. > > Desktop Operating System Market Share: > http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=3D= 10&qpcustomd=3D0 > Windows 7 > > 52.71% > Market Share of Windows XP > > Windows > XP > > 23.87% > Market Share of Windows 8.1 > > Windows > 8.1 > > 6.67% > Market Share of Windows 8 > > Windows > 8 > > 5.59% > Market Share of Mac OS X 10.9 > > Mac > OS X 10.9 > > 4.05% > Market Share of Windows Vista > > Windows > Vista > > 3.07% > Market Share of Linux > > Linux > > 1.64% > Market Share of Mac OS X 10.6 > > Mac > OS X 10.6 > > 0.74% > Market Share of Mac OS X 10.8 > > Mac > OS X 10.8 > > 0.60% > Market Share of Mac OS X 10.7 > > Mac > OS X 10.7 > > 0.57% > Market Share of Mac OS X 10.1 > > Mac > OS X 10.1 > > 0.25% > Market Share of Mac OS X 10.5 > > Mac > OS X 10.5 > > 0.14% > Market Share of Windows NT > > Windows > NT > > 0.05% > Market Share of Mac OS X 10.4 > > Mac > OS X 10.4 > > 0.04% > Market Share of Windows 2000 > > Windows > 2000 > > 0.02% > Market Share of Mac OS X (no version reported) > > Mac > OS X (no version reported) > > 0.01% > Market Share of Win64 > > Win64 > > 0.00% > Market Share of Windows 98 > > Windows > 98 > > > > > Linux has 1.64% market share, but no flavor of BSD makes the list. > I don't think saying Linux is more popular should be a major point of > contention. > > So, my thinking is that if a family of an application runs on Windows, > Mac, and Linux, it would be popular enough not to die out, and > likely to get all the bugs ironed out. AND, if it runs on Linux, FreeBSD > will likely run it too; that's what I meant by my poorly written words > "Linux (BSD)." > > So, can someone help me with a URL to find Minder documentation, and > can I elicit experiences with BitMessage, RetroShare, OpenDC, and the > like. > I'll be starting with FreeBSD and Mac but intend to add Windows and would > like to include Linux also. Thanks. > You would need to exclude desktop users and look at servers specifically to= draw any meaningful conclusions as consumer devices (e.g. commodity comput= ers and phones) will skew the numbers and make the relative percentages mea= ningless. I purport there is *no* significant use of FreeBSD by desktop use= rs, OS X is almost exclusively on desktops, and although there are a lot of= Windows servers, the majority of licenses are on desktop computers. Compounding the difficulty to make valid comparisons is determining the tot= al number of FreeBSD (and Linux) installs when these OS's are freely downlo= aded with no record of use (and how many systems the OS was installed on), = and with a large number of systems behind firewalls and/or not serving web = pages to the public (a significant source of this type of metrics, in the a= bsence of anything better, is to hit all the publically accessible web serv= ers and analyze their responses to *infer* the OS). Compare this to a Microsoft OS, where MS can report actual licenses issued,= but also inadvertently (or on purpose) skew the total by including license= s purchased by OEMS (HP, Lenovo, Dell, etc.), and not necessarily the numbe= r in the hands of end users.=20 Lies, damned lies, and statistics..... Dale ---- www.dalescott.net Transparency with Trust From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 16 02:30:21 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C897CF12 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 02:30:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 713A8653 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 02:30:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s9G2UHRt039630 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 15 Oct 2014 20:30:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id s9G2UGZh039627; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 20:30:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 20:30:16 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Polytropon Subject: Re: Noob question .... In-Reply-To: <20141016020025.27547cc0.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <543F041D.7030206@hiwaay.net> <20141016013646.34d542e6.freebsd@edvax.de> <543F0863.60205@hiwaay.net> <20141016020025.27547cc0.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 15 Oct 2014 20:30:17 -0600 (MDT) Cc: "William A. Mahaffey III" , FreeBSD Questions !!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 02:30:21 -0000 On Thu, 16 Oct 2014, Polytropon wrote: > On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 18:50:59 -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: >> *Aaaaaaaaack* !!!! That clarifies an important misunderstanding for me >> .... I thought STABLE would be more/most stable, maybe a refinement on >> RELEASE .... Thx for the clarification. > > The name -STABLE is to be understood as "more stable than > -CURRENT", because when you check out the development branch, > it _might_ happen that it misbehaves or that it won't even > compile; it can also happen that an experimental feature > in -CURRENT is being removed later on. -STABLE means the ABI is stable. So applications compiled for 9.1 will still run on 9-STABLE, and vice versa. In effect, the -STABLE branch ends up being -RELEASE plus bug fixes and new features, the continued development after a release. Where a -RELEASE is a snapshot in time, -STABLE is the latest version of that branch. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 16 07:25:07 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 098C7E08 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 07:25:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from blue.qeng-ho.org (blue.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 94D9B3B1 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 07:25:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from arthur.home.qeng-ho.org (arthur.home.qeng-ho.org [172.23.1.2]) by fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org (8.14.7/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s9G7OtuV002206; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 08:24:56 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Message-ID: <543F72C7.6040401@qeng-ho.org> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 08:24:55 +0100 From: Arthur Chance User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "William A. Mahaffey III" Subject: Re: Noob question .... References: <543F041D.7030206@hiwaay.net> <20141016013646.34d542e6.freebsd@edvax.de> <543F0863.60205@hiwaay.net> In-Reply-To: <543F0863.60205@hiwaay.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions !!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 07:25:07 -0000 On 16/10/2014 00:50, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: > On 10/15/14 18:36, Polytropon wrote: >> On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 18:32:45 -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: >>> >>> As a card-carrying noob to FreeBSD, I have a question .... Recent posts >>> have referred to version 9.3-STABLE of FreeBSD .... My uname output >>> appears below, obviously labeled RELEASE, not STABLE .... How do I >>> 'upgrade' from 9.3-RELEASE to 9.3-STABLE ? >> By checking out the required source and rebuilding your >> kernel and operating system. >> >> https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/current-stable.html >> >> https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/synching.html >> >> https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/makeworld.html >> >> Also see the comment header of /usr/src/Makefile which >> provides a short description of the targets and the >> updating procedure. >> >> However, you can use freebsd-update to binarily track >> security changes for the -RELEASE branch, keeping your >> system current. Note that -STABLE is a development branch, >> and even though it's stable, there _might_ be problems >> with it. The most experimental branch is -CURRENT or -HEAD >> from which -STABLE is "distilled", and from that, -RELEASE >> is usually being created. > > > *Aaaaaaaaack* !!!! That clarifies an important misunderstanding for me > .... I thought STABLE would be more/most stable, maybe a refinement on > RELEASE .... Thx for the clarification. Think of "stable" as in "doctors said his condition was stable". :-) -CURRENT == will break regularly. -STABLE == shouldn't break but might occasionally. -RELEASE == won't break (if your hardware is OK and you don't do something stupid). From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 16 10:06:18 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5275ED2D for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 10:06:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from avasout08.plus.net (avasout08.plus.net [212.159.14.20]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "Bizanga Labs SMTP Client Certificate", Issuer "Bizanga Labs CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D4EC1A9E for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 10:06:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from curlew.milibyte.co.uk ([84.92.153.232]) by avasout08 with smtp id 3m331p003516WCc01m34qM; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 11:03:06 +0100 X-CM-Score: 0.00 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=NIlb+iKg c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=lfSX4pPLp9EkufIcToJk/A==:117 a=lfSX4pPLp9EkufIcToJk/A==:17 a=D7rCoLxHAAAA:8 a=0Bzu9jTXAAAA:8 a=PBtdaOD29JoA:10 a=ZTb9aqGL9YkA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=kMQLi9KT2fNzUdi_FKEA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 Received: from curlew.lan ([192.168.1.13]) by curlew.milibyte.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1Xehtf-0001DZ-1l for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 11:03:03 +0100 From: Mike Clarke To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 11:03:01 +0100 Message-ID: <1668818.9lPcfAzp7h@curlew.lan> User-Agent: KMail/4.12.5 (FreeBSD/9.3-RELEASE-p2; KDE/4.12.5; amd64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <543F0863.60205@hiwaay.net> References: <543F041D.7030206@hiwaay.net> <20141016013646.34d542e6.freebsd@edvax.de> <543F0863.60205@hiwaay.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 192.168.1.13 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on curlew.lan X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Subject: Re: Noob question .... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on curlew.milibyte.co.uk) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 10:06:18 -0000 On Wednesday 15 Oct 2014 18:50:59 William A. Mahaffey III wrote: > Also, how do I get freebsd-update to track changes ? The man page > (dated July 14 2010) was a bit sparse .... I would like to know if > newer stuff is available, & I couldn't see how to perhaps inquire > about that w/ freebsd-update .... Thx & TIA .... The only changes to RELEASE will be to fix security issues or major bugs. If you subscribe to the FreeBSD Security mailing list you'll hear about security fixes as soon as they're available. Then you just need to run "freebsd-update fetch install" to fix your system. If you want to be informed about (rare) errata notices for bug fixes you could subscribe to the FreeBSD Announce list. This has security and errata notices plus additional general announcements. But you only need worry about the bug fixes if the bug is already causing problems for you. All this, of course, only applies to the base system. To keep up to date with vulnerabilities in ports you rely on the pkg audit output from the periodic security script. As with the base system there's no need up upgrade your packages unless you need to to fix a security vulnerability or you need some new feature. -- Mike Clarke From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 16 11:41:11 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C8515B4B for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 11:41:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from outbound.ifdnrg.com (outbound.ifdnrg.com [193.200.98.38]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C8D87C8 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 11:41:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.11] (host-78-148-104-204.as13285.net [78.148.104.204]) (authenticated bits=0) by outbound.ifdnrg.com (8.14.9/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s9GBREpK091316 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 12:27:20 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from paul@ifdnrg.com) X-Authentication-Warning: outbound.ifdnrg.com: Host host-78-148-104-204.as13285.net [78.148.104.204] claimed to be [192.168.1.11] Message-ID: <543FAB8D.5080304@ifdnrg.com> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 12:27:09 +0100 From: Paul Macdonald User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: jail issue post upgrade Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 11:41:11 -0000 Hi On a box that recently been upgraded from 9.1 to 10.0-REL i'm seeing an odd issue within jails certain binaries within the basejail are showing errors, and it means i can;t update ports fro example. /usr/sbin/mtree: Undefined symbol "uid_from_user" /bin/csh give the same error [/]# /bin/csh /bin/csh: Undefined symbol "__bsd_iconv_open" It executes find on host # /data/jails/basejail/bin/csh # I have posted to the ezjail list but no response as yet. any suggestions welcome. thanks Paul. -- ------------------------- Paul Macdonald IFDNRG Ltd Web and video hosting ------------------------- t: 0131 5548070 m: 07970339546 e: paul@ifdnrg.com w: http://www.ifdnrg.com ------------------------- IFDNRG 40 Maritime Street Edinburgh EH6 6SA ---------------------------------------------------- High Specification Dedicated Servers from 100.00pm ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 16 12:24:58 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AE74E651 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 12:24:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 786DEC77 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 12:24:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kabini1.local (rbn1-216-180-19-65.adsl.hiwaay.net [216.180.19.65]) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id s9GCOuqj006988 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 07:24:56 -0500 Message-ID: <543FBA8F.6080205@hiwaay.net> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 07:31:11 -0500 From: "William A. Mahaffey III" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "FreeBSD Questions !!!!" Subject: Re: Noob question .... References: <543F041D.7030206@hiwaay.net> <20141016013646.34d542e6.freebsd@edvax.de> <543F0863.60205@hiwaay.net> <20141016020025.27547cc0.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 12:24:58 -0000 On 10/15/14 21:30, Warren Block wrote: > On Thu, 16 Oct 2014, Polytropon wrote: > >> On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 18:50:59 -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: >>> *Aaaaaaaaack* !!!! That clarifies an important misunderstanding for me >>> .... I thought STABLE would be more/most stable, maybe a refinement on >>> RELEASE .... Thx for the clarification. >> >> The name -STABLE is to be understood as "more stable than >> -CURRENT", because when you check out the development branch, >> it _might_ happen that it misbehaves or that it won't even >> compile; it can also happen that an experimental feature >> in -CURRENT is being removed later on. > > -STABLE means the ABI is stable. So applications compiled for 9.1 > will still run on 9-STABLE, and vice versa. > > In effect, the -STABLE branch ends up being -RELEASE plus bug fixes > and new features, the continued development after a release. Where a > -RELEASE is a snapshot in time, -STABLE is the latest version of that > branch. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Yes, your link/web-page crystallized everything perfectly .... Thx :-) .... -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 16 12:28:25 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 914F58C8 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 12:28:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5C702CB4 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 12:28:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kabini1.local (rbn1-216-180-19-65.adsl.hiwaay.net [216.180.19.65]) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id s9GCSOY2008610 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 07:28:24 -0500 Message-ID: <543FBB5E.5050904@hiwaay.net> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 07:34:38 -0500 From: "William A. Mahaffey III" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "FreeBSD Questions !!!!" Subject: Re: Noob question .... References: <543F041D.7030206@hiwaay.net> <20141016013646.34d542e6.freebsd@edvax.de> <543F0863.60205@hiwaay.net> <543F72C7.6040401@qeng-ho.org> In-Reply-To: <543F72C7.6040401@qeng-ho.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 12:28:25 -0000 On 10/16/14 02:24, Arthur Chance wrote: > On 16/10/2014 00:50, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: >> On 10/15/14 18:36, Polytropon wrote: >>> On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 18:32:45 -0500, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: >>>> >>>> As a card-carrying noob to FreeBSD, I have a question .... Recent >>>> posts >>>> have referred to version 9.3-STABLE of FreeBSD .... My uname output >>>> appears below, obviously labeled RELEASE, not STABLE .... How do I >>>> 'upgrade' from 9.3-RELEASE to 9.3-STABLE ? >>> By checking out the required source and rebuilding your >>> kernel and operating system. >>> >>> https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/current-stable.html >>> >>> https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/synching.html >>> >>> https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/makeworld.html >>> >>> Also see the comment header of /usr/src/Makefile which >>> provides a short description of the targets and the >>> updating procedure. >>> >>> However, you can use freebsd-update to binarily track >>> security changes for the -RELEASE branch, keeping your >>> system current. Note that -STABLE is a development branch, >>> and even though it's stable, there _might_ be problems >>> with it. The most experimental branch is -CURRENT or -HEAD >>> from which -STABLE is "distilled", and from that, -RELEASE >>> is usually being created. >> >> >> *Aaaaaaaaack* !!!! That clarifies an important misunderstanding for me >> .... I thought STABLE would be more/most stable, maybe a refinement on >> RELEASE .... Thx for the clarification. > > Think of "stable" as in "doctors said his condition was stable". :-) > > -CURRENT == will break regularly. > > -STABLE == shouldn't break but might occasionally. > > -RELEASE == won't break (if your hardware is OK and you don't do > something stupid). > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Thx, good description, I think I have it straight now :-) .... -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 16 13:29:56 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A595675B for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 13:29:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-la0-x22f.google.com (mail-la0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::22f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2B40B617 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 13:29:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f47.google.com with SMTP id pv20so2912514lab.34 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 06:29:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=WxDr++UyZLAdupy0aTXoWFToaH+L9GjLrnhOeEgDweU=; b=1JwCoDcuvbKnlHFDFqe1eApFRaIKMbMh/p29ha3NREArHAYT8j1cdFAjBm7mV+y2h/ LdIe6lj3P7JikL0KQkatIyeCSXKTiT+aAthIJnOx/Kk1m5K08s1H/ZFcPxT7hU5mw09u 0yO3cMe43MHn0EwoFjsNnEXU8pxeqwgAJEfgCMq7fIklrqw4ygSPIrOYOjYUGJ5LL8nR K2Ues19JXxryeSaxzdATQX7J79JL8d6ze7fQqInuOiwcDJI5YiFPKQ9/1d0MaCgeEy+k kdvT2LXs/4ZrEFkS1pRYUxTPmKgiTFHFadHyjZ1x0mocClV18aQ4hSG9CiuWs84Kljwe In2A== X-Received: by 10.152.179.164 with SMTP id dh4mr1589253lac.55.1413466194090; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 06:29:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (5ec1f671.skybroadband.com. [94.193.246.113]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id j2sm7786731lbp.16.2014.10.16.06.29.52 for (version=SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 16 Oct 2014 06:29:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 14:29:51 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Noob question .... Message-ID: <20141016142951.2ceed51c@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <543FBB5E.5050904@hiwaay.net> References: <543F041D.7030206@hiwaay.net> <20141016013646.34d542e6.freebsd@edvax.de> <543F0863.60205@hiwaay.net> <543F72C7.6040401@qeng-ho.org> <543FBB5E.5050904@hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.10.1 (GTK+ 2.24.22; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 13:29:56 -0000 On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 07:34:38 -0500 William A. Mahaffey III wrote: > On 10/16/14 02:24, Arthur Chance wrote: > > Think of "stable" as in "doctors said his condition was stable". :-) > > > > -CURRENT == will break regularly. > > > > -STABLE == shouldn't break but might occasionally. > > > > -RELEASE == won't break (if your hardware is OK and you don't do > > something stupid). > > Thx, good description, I think I have it straight now :-) .... A lot of the risk comes from being sloppy with the extra work required to track STABLE and CURRENT. If you track STABLE then any update can bring in the kind of change that comes with switching to a new minor release: new system users/groups, updated files that have to be handled manually. If you track CURRENT then any update can bring in the kind of change than comes with switching to a new major release, which may mean you have to rebuild some or all of your ports or follow recipes to avoid breakages. Updating to a point release can be done with practically no effort. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 16 15:05:32 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5A3E7335 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 15:05:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.52.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32B74154 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 15:05:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id 985E2CB8C9B; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 10:05:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 128.135.70.2 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 10:05:30 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37356.128.135.70.2.1413471930.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <20141016144638.GA45276@neutralgood.org> References: <543ED1D6.3000500@saveouraquifer.org> <543ED8C1.9090508@gmail.com> <543EF466.3070908@saveouraquifer.org> <543F0B26.40805@a1poweruser.com> <20141016144638.GA45276@neutralgood.org> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 10:05:30 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: minder From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: kpneal@pobox.com Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: Fbsd8 , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 15:05:32 -0000 On Thu, October 16, 2014 9:46 am, kpneal@pobox.com wrote: > On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 08:02:46AM +0800, Fbsd8 wrote: >> BSD IS NOT A FAVOR OF LINUX. FreeBSD and Linux are complete independent >> re-writes of Unix. The other BSD's are forks of FreeBSD. > > False. > > NetBSD was derived from 386BSD which itself was derived from UCB's Net/2 > release. But the Net/2 code was replaced with 4.4BSD-Lite code since -Lite > was unencumbered. Replacing the Net/2 code was a process. > > FreeBSD 1 was I believe derived from that same 386BSD codebase. But > FreeBSD > 2.0 was totally redone with 4.4BSD-Lite. The replacement was done as a > sharp break. > > Also, don't confuse 386BSD with BSD/386 which was a commercial system. > > The remaining BSD's were forks of one of those original two. But claiming > that they were all forks of FreeBSD is simply incorrect. > Thanks for clarification. But even explained it not as exactly as you do, he still corrected gross misunderstanding, as originally someone claimed that FreeBSD is a derivative of Linux. Which was grossly wrong. I was tempted to correct that person myself by mentioning that Linux grew up into "UNIX-like" system much later than FreeBSD emerged as a sort of successor of UNIX. (and now the trend looks to me like Linux is more and more becoming M$ Windows-like ;-). Anyway he beated me to correct this gross incorrectness, but thanks to adding these details! Valeri ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 16 15:18:54 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7FF2566E for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 15:18:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wi0-f170.google.com (mail-wi0-f170.google.com [209.85.212.170]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 174E22E6 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 15:18:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wi0-f170.google.com with SMTP id hi2so1662822wib.5 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 08:18:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition :user-agent; bh=SA2M9+/vN8/bedlQ9swUnDUfvA4mLe6ob02oZ+yBrHg=; b=SYrrUFX7jGAkcrAukhaWCxotVKS3XuvKvvRrkUQ1q9nVITCMAeqsDuunDEEfBPvg3T Mru4OpJPIa97KqRX4wYgUnhmcPF+EJwgnJ7a2aSYsxTYMDYnV0/Q4ileUeZfwhNyhVKB bXCjti09QUfATsUITXjn+RvpLOIBr5GQfuitzFangFbfG3NHKUFrWGgwmRrDEWmO/7nx VHFxMXwdBJVfOiMVRFHnoA6wMlKtjD5boCCEhVBORg1wdKa+9mebSvxe+5/AZ9PSqpp2 tb+RcMJVfc1B7UnIkK/BhHYBgC4/c2IZuDQLkQbNHjRmvH985RyKoV97MJ8bUoZL9yur 5Kcg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlvugMTeFZCrTJbv8MuXRjkfoweDTzE4M70Ef7otymDVVaZX9tG7hai/MMMYzmBHJAMbSQF X-Received: by 10.181.8.98 with SMTP id dj2mr6786215wid.70.1413472724987; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 08:18:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu. [141.213.135.249]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id wx3sm27795266wjc.19.2014.10.16.08.18.43 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 16 Oct 2014 08:18:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 11:16:07 -0400 From: William Bulley To: kpneal@pobox.com Subject: Re: exiting Xorg locks up 9.2-STABLE system Message-ID: <20141016151607.GC3631@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> Mail-Followup-To: kpneal@pobox.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 15:18:54 -0000 According to kpneal@pobox.com on Thu, 10/16/14 at 11:05: > > Gross hack: change your .xinitrc or whatever file to reboot when the > X server shuts down. Woof! UGLY!!! Arghhh.... :-( > Say, does the power button on your machine trigger a graceful shutdown? > What happens if you hit the power button briefly and then wait? Dunno. a) I am not near the system -- it is miles away from me until next week b) I've never tried this, but it is no better that your gross hack -- I need to be able to quit Xorg and then be returned to the ASCII console window (vty or tty0) Regards, web... -- /"\ ASCII RIBBON / William Bulley \ / CAMPAIGN AGAINST / X HTML E-MAIL AND / E-MAIL: web@umich.edu / \ LISTSERV POSTINGS / 72 characters width template ----------------------------------------->| From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 16 15:22:47 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 817E979C for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 15:22:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from be-well.ilk.org (be-well.ilk.org [23.30.133.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C1883C7 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 15:22:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id B4E6B33C46; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 11:22:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Lowell Gilbert To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org To: Warren Block Subject: Re: exiting Xorg locks up 9.2-STABLE system References: <20141015214936.GB1350@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 11:22:45 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20141015214936.GB1350@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> (William Bulley's message of "Wed, 15 Oct 2014 17:49:36 -0400") Message-ID: <44egu8uji2.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 15:22:47 -0000 William Bulley writes: > I've been doing this since the FreeBSD 2.16 days -- it has just > become habit for me... :-( Me too (since 1.1.5.1), but I expect to solve my own problems with my kernel configuration. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 16 15:39:14 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3AB42D7C for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 15:39:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kukulies.org (mail.kukulies.org [78.47.239.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED04477A for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 15:39:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DA3A4DA400 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 17:29:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from kukulies.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (exapt.kukulies.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uzMRgnz4rhCE for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 17:29:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [172.27.4.215] (unknown [87.79.34.228]) by kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0BA7F4DA3F5 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 17:29:29 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <543FE453.9010801@kukulies.org> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 17:29:23 +0200 From: "Christoph P.U. Kukulies" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Installing 10.0 over an 8.0 from memorystick Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 15:39:14 -0000 Quite a while ago I installed FreeBSD 8.0 on a (66GB) partition of my Dell notebook. It served its purpose but recently I wanted to use it to dump some stuff to a SD card and I found that 8.0 didn't detect the SD card (mmc ?). Anyway, I thaought it could be time for an upgrade anyway and now I'm a bit hesitant to install FreeBSD 10.0 right from the USB-stick (which I booted). The installer found ad0 as the disk to install and when I watched the disk layout it showed ad0s3 as a BSD partition with ad0s3a as root and ad0s3b as swap IIRC. What would happen, if I commit the install? Can I do better an upgrade? I would like to preserve my WLAN, IP and other settings. Any advice here? Thanks. -- Christoph From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 16 16:12:35 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2CBEAB72 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 16:12:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wi0-f175.google.com (mail-wi0-f175.google.com [209.85.212.175]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B6B31B91 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 16:12:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wi0-f175.google.com with SMTP id d1so1955877wiv.14 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 09:12:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition :user-agent; bh=0AKEiyxZnOugQThObIMktuozP76n7P8UFI27zymsgEA=; b=mpkQd9fHxmf7x9WJbUpwRSG1+0xoZ2eoyxqI2Oj9bafdohe7oeY2KBoDJBUwVVfHYj BQgV5Zh/agvyPumhJxyMElAzDPbZdbCX15u0A33L7Omr34inOzNXUBxUbJyeKksbW8ib fgrpHQMAwytKh5fn87c0JsujouWEBfcbRu+V4nYXOy1i8Iu8edNrmhlYWVVNTg/amnE5 17JDCdlh1lAiCGDONbpSL8BwA7RjNq7R4LzsC8gM6nl9exVF29e2eXL0EaVgTVwMlQ/p 9j+bo1Rr7l4fnPsKqtv5yyGoV1WrL+JcWq1IJPSJlbjXNyu6LxWdovyccxqzFLTEdo94 lhxg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnxH9j0Iq27Bh71PX/beONen1+3dW53teow5jEqjbCroEDnYJsm5dFmHBJrXsKIKb9NK1i4 X-Received: by 10.180.20.43 with SMTP id k11mr7433224wie.28.1413475952062; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 09:12:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu. [141.213.135.249]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ny6sm2483374wic.22.2014.10.16.09.12.30 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 16 Oct 2014 09:12:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 12:09:54 -0400 From: William Bulley To: Lowell Gilbert Subject: Re: exiting Xorg locks up 9.2-STABLE system Message-ID: <20141016160954.GD3631@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> Mail-Followup-To: Lowell Gilbert , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Warren Block MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 16:12:35 -0000 According to Lowell Gilbert on Thu, 10/16/14 at 11:22: > > Me too (since 1.1.5.1), but I expect to solve my own problems with my > kernel configuration. Then you must be at least 35 years old! ;^) I hear you, but this wasn't a kernel issue at the outset. It was a failure of x11/Xorg to cleanly exit to the ASCII console (vty) as has been the case going back to at least 6.x IIRC. :-) Something had changed -- I knew about the WITH_NEW_XORG flag, and the GENERIC kernel comes with sc(4) as it has for some time now. My kernel also contained the sc(4) device as it was based on the (watered down) GENERIC kernel config file (MYKERNEL). Warren's suggestion to use vt(4) resulted in the hang behaviour that I alluded to earlier -- no output at the "Booting ..." message. So I was forced to fall back to the original kernel which is where things stand now until I can get back in front of this system to try the suggestion of adding the vt(4) device to the 9.3-STABLE GENERIC kernel config file and trying again. Wish me luck! :-) BTW, I did solve my own problems when adding the vt(4) device to my kernel config file -- I listed the additions and deletions in an earlier reply. Until I try again with the above GENERIC mod, I will have to assume it was my problem with my kernel config... Regards, web... -- /"\ ASCII RIBBON / William Bulley \ / CAMPAIGN AGAINST / X HTML E-MAIL AND / E-MAIL: web@umich.edu / \ LISTSERV POSTINGS / 72 characters width template ----------------------------------------->| From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 16 17:56:33 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8235AFEC for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 17:56:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp1.bway.net (smtp1.v6.bway.net [IPv6:2607:d300:1::27]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5CA60849 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 17:56:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gecko3.bs.net (host-216-220-115-58.dsl.bway.net [216.220.115.58]) (using SSLv3 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: mfv@bway.net) by smtp1.bway.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7BEAB95876 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 13:56:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 13:56:20 -0400 From: mfv To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: minder In-Reply-To: <37356.128.135.70.2.1413471930.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> References: <543ED1D6.3000500@saveouraquifer.org> <543ED8C1.9090508@gmail.com> <543EF466.3070908@saveouraquifer.org> <543F0B26.40805@a1poweruser.com> <20141016144638.GA45276@neutralgood.org> <37356.128.135.70.2.1413471930.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 17:56:33 -0000 On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 10:05:30 -0500 (CDT) "Valeri Galtsev" wrote: > > On Thu, October 16, 2014 9:46 am, kpneal@pobox.com wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 08:02:46AM +0800, Fbsd8 wrote: > >> BSD IS NOT A FAVOR OF LINUX. FreeBSD and Linux are complete > >> independent re-writes of Unix. The other BSD's are forks of > >> FreeBSD. > > > > False. > > > > NetBSD was derived from 386BSD which itself was derived from UCB's > > Net/2 release. But the Net/2 code was replaced with 4.4BSD-Lite > > code since -Lite was unencumbered. Replacing the Net/2 code was a > > process. > > > > FreeBSD 1 was I believe derived from that same 386BSD codebase. But > > FreeBSD > > 2.0 was totally redone with 4.4BSD-Lite. The replacement was done > > as a sharp break. > > > > Also, don't confuse 386BSD with BSD/386 which was a commercial > > system. > > > > The remaining BSD's were forks of one of those original two. But > > claiming that they were all forks of FreeBSD is simply incorrect. > > > > Thanks for clarification. But even explained it not as exactly as you > do, he still corrected gross misunderstanding, as originally someone > claimed that FreeBSD is a derivative of Linux. Which was grossly > wrong. I was tempted to correct that person myself by mentioning that > Linux grew up into "UNIX-like" system much later than FreeBSD emerged > as a sort of successor of UNIX. (and now the trend looks to me like > Linux is more and more becoming M$ Windows-like ;-). Anyway he beated > me to correct this gross incorrectness, but thanks to adding these > details! > > Valeri > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Valeri Galtsev > Sr System Administrator > Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics > Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics > University of Chicago > Phone: 773-702-4247 > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" As far as the lineage of FreeBSD goes, I found this file to be quite interesting: /usr/share/misc/bsd-family-tree I assume it is common file on most, if not all, releases. Cheers ... __o _ \<,_ Marek (+)/ (+) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 16 18:20:18 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AAFEF982 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 18:20:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from be-well.ilk.org (be-well.ilk.org [23.30.133.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8629FB09 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 18:20:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 0F29E33C46; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 14:20:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Lowell Gilbert To: Walter Subject: Re: minder References: <543ED1D6.3000500@saveouraquifer.org> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 14:20:16 -0400 In-Reply-To: <543ED1D6.3000500@saveouraquifer.org> (Walter's message of "Wed, 15 Oct 2014 15:58:14 -0400") Message-ID: <4461fjvpun.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 18:20:18 -0000 Walter writes: > I'm wanting to have (or write) a utility to keep a list of IP addresses > of various computers so I can connect to them over the internet. > I found 'minder' in the ports which seems to say that's what it does, > but I can't find documentation on how to use it; the website: > http://www.alhem.net/project/minder/ is not helpful. Anyone? That's essentially a library for keeping track of peers, but the only application example seems to be a trivial test client. It might be able to locate peers as well, but I haven't run across that functionality so it may not exist. It may be a useful tool in building a useful system, but it's a fairly small piece. > On the other hand, if I write my own I can then expand it to do > other p2p things, like synchronize file directories, chat, messages, > remote program activation, et cetera. I looked a bit at: > > bitmessage - current > retroshare - current > kenosis - not current (last news: 2005) > Kademlia - various > dox - unknown > opendchub - current > microdc2 - ^^^^^ > > but it's hard to know how useful these are without trying them all, > and I'm hoping people here can guide me. Unlikely. Personal preferences are going to be a major factor. > Ultimately, I'm interested > in secure, encrypted p2p operations starting with basic messaging, > which will run on Windows-something, Mac, and Linux (BSD) OS's. Try not to develop homegrown encryption or encrypted protocols. Unlike other kinds of programming, you can't establish its correctness by testing. Mac, Linux, and BSD are all distinct. But they're all POSIX-compliant, which is probably good enough for using the same code for the core functionality, and there are toolkits that can make a lot of GUI work reusable. Windows is more difficult as far as compatibility, but not impossible. Still, you're talking about a very big project. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 16 18:24:17 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 16210C7A for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 18:24:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CDA89B58 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 18:24:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-30-92.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.30.92]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CCB963CE29; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 20:24:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id s9GIO75u002022; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 20:24:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 20:24:07 +0200 From: Polytropon To: kpneal@pobox.com Subject: Re: minder Message-Id: <20141016202407.00ecca5d.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20141016144638.GA45276@neutralgood.org> References: <543ED1D6.3000500@saveouraquifer.org> <543ED8C1.9090508@gmail.com> <543EF466.3070908@saveouraquifer.org> <543F0B26.40805@a1poweruser.com> <20141016144638.GA45276@neutralgood.org> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 18:24:17 -0000 On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 10:46:38 -0400, kpneal@pobox.com wrote: > FreeBSD 1 was I believe derived from that same 386BSD codebase. But FreeBSD > 2.0 was totally redone with 4.4BSD-Lite. The replacement was done as a > sharp break. See /usr/share/misc/bsd-family-tree for details. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 16 19:40:15 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1B6906DD for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 19:40:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-outd.mail.t-online.hu (mail-outd.mail.t-online.hu [195.228.240.69]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC1CC33F for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 19:40:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from openbsd.snowboard.ice (5400D0B3.dsl.pool.telekom.hu [84.0.208.179]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail01k.mail.t-online.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3jJb073QKMzFPK for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 18:04:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from openbsd.snowboard.ice (igalgand@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by openbsd.snowboard.ice (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id s9GG45j4002677 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 18:04:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from igalgand@localhost) by openbsd.snowboard.ice (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id s9GG45Gr025806 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 18:04:05 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 18:04:05 +0200 From: Istvan Galgand To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: exiting Xorg "locks up" 10.0-RELEASE-p9 Message-ID: <20141016160405.GA30691@openbsd.snowboard.ice> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-DCC--Metrics: mail01k.mail.t-online.hu 1307; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Spam-Probability: 1.69470011274e-06 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 19:40:15 -0000 Hi, Last week i upgraded my system on my laptop by pkg upgrade. When finished i realized that when Xorg exits i am facing with a blank display. Typing startx again blindly i reach my MATE desktop again. Hitting power button a normal shutdown is achieved. I put kern.vty=vt into /boot/loader.conf but the behaviour is the same. As i am using a GENERIC Kernel, i don't intend to touch my Kernel configuration but i suspect vt support in not included in it. How to continue resolving the issue, please? My system is 10.0-RELEASE-p9. 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Colò From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 16 20:27:05 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E3CC1705 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 20:27:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mout.perfora.net", Issuer "Thawte SSL CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AE04BA9E for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 20:27:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from Walters-iMac.local (user-0c6s2ao.cable.mindspring.com [24.110.9.88]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mreueus003) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0M72fb-1Y2T1X3fkb-00wjNY; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 22:27:04 +0200 Message-ID: <54402A16.9050803@saveouraquifer.org> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 16:27:02 -0400 From: Walter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: minder References: <543ED1D6.3000500@saveouraquifer.org> <4461fjvpun.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> In-Reply-To: <4461fjvpun.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:fiaGnXySeBnprr1AG1rGnl+L+OcqHbUhUwV7uB7YmqI YLY4HI3NWfmvPMtLkzBJiNn5o2thX5k938wr/Zp6FnzVBLKUTf 60GkPxQFCXQ+L8v8o0sZk9Dnl8TVYSMQYXzibUIOLlEJb/e1CW Nmz5PaCgThc9X3Oj4rkMf37xUCF7xu8nd8Or1XKyPu73XTJ5Sa pdshiv0+c6o3L1qW9H0Dvl5R8Nhp4RZM7QlFq3km7NAMVS0Tky mMIx+WlUd3f3R0GaH0jJ1jLjm37KlEKu0+PZ8z1UCx04JvqfY0 KrOg2eu8O41EzkCD7pCXrFmC4ehSSZLMQGTHRU6echcasOwE+c 4uo2NFDCW4xuXXrEiSg5+Vvbws0GwJOmLOywTOqwh X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1; X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 20:27:06 -0000 On 10/16/14, 2:20 PM, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > Walter writes: > > That's essentially a library for keeping track of peers, but the only > application example seems to be a trivial test client. It might be > able to locate peers as well, but I haven't run across that > functionality so it may not exist. It may be a useful tool in building > a useful system, but it's a fairly small piece. I guess I'll roll my own, then - but that simple task shouldn't be too hard. > Try not to develop homegrown encryption or encrypted protocols. Unlike other kinds of programming, you can't > establish its correctness by testing. Mac, Linux, and BSD are all distinct. But they're all POSIX-compliant, which is > probably good enough for using the same code for the core functionality, and there are toolkits that can make a > lot of GUI work reusable. Windows is more difficult as far as compatibility, but not impossible. Still, you're talking > about a very big project. FreePascal works on all those platforms, which is what I'd use. Looking at BitMessage I see it's really not that far along, at least what I would have hoped. And getting all those other personal-but-not-for-me-messages to throw away seems wasteful. I guess I'll take baby steps. I agree on the homegrown encryption advice, but even established packages have had their problems. Thanks for your feedback. Walter From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 16 22:52:54 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B4010567 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 22:52:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qg0-x22e.google.com (mail-qg0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c04::22e]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6E93DCCB for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 22:52:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qg0-f46.google.com with SMTP id z60so3322872qgd.33 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 15:52:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsd.com.br; s=capeta; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:organization:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Gt4Z36lW66sO3wzhr3Xtx4Kd5c4LTFnXYgX4byvmI64=; b=Uo4jIi68FuvrV2iNrbQ27BJ0xKjTLst02Acjsn+Gv3cZJDLUg1jG4uTPHLWyqb8EE6 /eX1UwjVgJcZ5D2++ehi1D6Y7A9HtGgu8pY1XbPlIXWQUjTXsZAq2cTCkeROgl1CRpme Z4jh39SF4yxYX3WAL8eTaPCOcRJOFlKx2FZrE= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:organization :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Gt4Z36lW66sO3wzhr3Xtx4Kd5c4LTFnXYgX4byvmI64=; b=LVpkCatAnJV0wndet2xoGKzSMrWUv+nUY2BeXj0tAty1lEXeX954AEjA0X1VHT/ZWt CVFIpEp3yfnthDUJPA4H/fQfPMnnmA5WP/ry4kGzDcXNJdgW3kKRUIm0qeWaboXoKp8d vG29+4GP9BCSpYz94j40EMp1uAsVNqzInEdzT208RY4DdJav1WGr3qUFXOJHDoIk/iFT PzSHEr9Z7RU0cwMMLGNTMzHEv2ZWkktY3L5E5AFJvIHLCuwM4CLgmDfSsanBZmRbulp5 bNepxt8R81ndXQkBCrF6+N5sK3C+esDW4YdLog9E9eCNCoVXQjXH4WwQUwgHjI83yKu2 3IwQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlogrKzFAuts3BryjtfOtbt+J7YMs9GWKqPW3nEXO+xVkDZvDSnxcOY7G3zVr25OSOlgu3K X-Received: by 10.140.29.134 with SMTP id b6mr6376612qgb.23.1413499973263; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 15:52:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Papi ([177.134.200.237]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id h32sm11355576qge.16.2014.10.16.15.52.52 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 16 Oct 2014 15:52:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 19:53:13 -0300 From: Mario Lobo To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Network problem Message-ID: <20141016195313.65bdca0f@Papi> Organization: BSD X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.10.1 (GTK+ 2.24.22; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 22:52:54 -0000 Hi; I have 2 links with 2 different ISPs on this firewall. On one link, everything is normal [~]>ping www.google.com PING www.google.com (64.233.185.104): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 64.233.185.104: icmp_seq=0 ttl=44 time=175.683 ms 64 bytes from 64.233.185.104: icmp_seq=1 ttl=44 time=174.499 ms 64 bytes from 64.233.185.104: icmp_seq=2 ttl=44 time=171.770 ms 64 bytes from 64.233.185.104: icmp_seq=3 ttl=44 time=170.737 ms 64 bytes from 64.233.185.104: icmp_seq=4 ttl=44 time=170.705 ms 64 bytes from 64.233.185.104: icmp_seq=5 ttl=44 time=171.699 ms 64 bytes from 64.233.185.104: icmp_seq=6 ttl=44 time=178.248 ms 64 bytes from 64.233.185.104: icmp_seq=7 ttl=44 time=170.924 ms 64 bytes from 64.233.185.104: icmp_seq=8 ttl=44 time=174.189 ms 64 bytes from 64.233.185.104: icmp_seq=9 ttl=44 time=169.742 ms 64 bytes from 64.233.185.104: icmp_seq=10 ttl=44 time=171.725 ms on the other, I get this: [~]>setfib 1 ping www.google.com PING www.google.com (64.233.185.104): 56 data bytes ping: sendto: No buffer space available 64 bytes from 64.233.185.104: icmp_seq=0 ttl=39 time=2837.234 ms 64 bytes from 64.233.185.104: icmp_seq=2 ttl=39 time=1999.021 ms ping: sendto: No buffer space available 64 bytes from 64.233.185.104: icmp_seq=3 ttl=39 time=2256.407 ms 64 bytes from 64.233.185.104: icmp_seq=4 ttl=39 time=3002.886 ms 64 bytes from 64.233.185.104: icmp_seq=6 ttl=39 time=1570.676 ms 64 bytes from 64.233.185.104: icmp_seq=7 ttl=39 time=1765.401 ms 64 bytes from 64.233.185.104: icmp_seq=8 ttl=39 time=2148.457 ms ping: sendto: No buffer space available 64 bytes from 64.233.185.104: icmp_seq=9 ttl=39 time=2207.230 ms 64 bytes from 64.233.185.104: icmp_seq=10 ttl=39 time=1752.444 ms 64 bytes from 64.233.185.104: icmp_seq=12 ttl=39 time=1619.150 ms re0 - PROD-LAN re1 - LAB-LAN sk0 - ISP1 (fib 0) sk1 - ISP2 (fib 1) FreeBSD FreeBSD 8.3-STABLE #0 r204106 Wed Sep 17 10:28:45 BRT 2014 last pid: 6963; load averages: 0.00, 0.00,0.00 19:47:29 61 processes: 1 running, 60 sleeping CPU: 0.0% user, 0.0% nice, 0.2% system, 0.1% interrupt, 99.7% idle Mem: 210M Active, 3933M Inact, 1559M Wired, 516K Cache, 771M Buf, 1671M Free Swap: 16G Total, 16G Free This was at 7:oo PM but even during peak work ours it doesn't go lower than 88% idle when it peaks usage. I have one squid for each link with exactly the same configs and pf doing the round-robin between the two. This server has never done this before!. I've been googling around and tried a few suggestions but none really solved it. I have already set kern.ipc.nmbclusters from 32768 to 131072. It seemed to delay the "no buffer" message but it's back. My stats seem to me to be well bellow the limits. [~]>netstat -m 2187/2178/4365 mbufs in use (current/cache/total) 1861/1453/3314/131072 mbuf clusters in use (current/cache/total/max) 1861/1339 mbuf+clusters out of packet secondary zone in use (current/cache) 212/321/533/65536 4k (page size) jumbo clusters in use (current/cache/total/max) 0/0/0/32768 9k jumbo clusters in use (current/cache/total/max) 0/0/0/16384 16k jumbo clusters in use (current/cache/total/max) 5169K/4734K/9903K bytes allocated to network (current/cache/total) 0/0/0 requests for mbufs denied (mbufs/clusters/mbuf+clusters) 0/0/0 requests for jumbo clusters denied (4k/9k/16k) 0/0/0 sfbufs in use (current/peak/max) 0 requests for sfbufs denied 0 requests for sfbufs delayed 3 requests for I/O initiated by sendfile 0 calls to protocol drain routines I already rebooted and switched cables. The only thing I didnt do yet was to switch boards. Should I be looking into that? Any advice? Thanks, -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] (99% winblows FREE) "UNIX was not designed to stop you from doing stupid things, because that would also stop you from doing clever things." From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 17 01:55:20 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BB9D3BF2 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2014 01:55:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from alogt.com (alogt.com [69.36.191.58]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 92051E84 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2014 01:55:20 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alogt.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=Kg3wELQvgQg2Vau2JBf+E/YencYF6AatgqSHsi/r7QE=; b=kBMVFqfz2kL0HrxaLCWeDnACXKg9b1AJff8hnSuleS/udJPVw+pQrPpzmkPJJy5tCf9RiBNHBOfHEFePYwoRCo2/gZZhgPSsLH55nuSkVfIQH6d5zqQVu1h3Y8ZOa/VGLyrwHJHNvPuJ0YHy0kEw8NHg0oQwoFREzHP5C3ghjko=; Received: from [203.174.11.50] (port=51183 helo=X220.alogt.com) by sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net with esmtpsa (SSLv3:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1Xevts-0037wn-Ay; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 19:00:13 -0600 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 08:59:57 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky To: Paul Macdonald Subject: Re: jail issue post upgrade Message-ID: <20141017085957.4ff57ab0@X220.alogt.com> In-Reply-To: <543FAB8D.5080304@ifdnrg.com> References: <543FAB8D.5080304@ifdnrg.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - alogt.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: authenticated_id: erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 01:55:20 -0000 Hi, On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 12:27:09 +0100 Paul Macdonald wrote: > On a box that recently been upgraded from 9.1 to 10.0-REL i'm seeing > an odd issue within jails > did you also update the world inside your jails? Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 17 07:35:09 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 76C93E9C for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2014 07:35:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay2.ukrpost.ua (relay2.ukrpost.ua [82.207.79.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36A65FD5 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2014 07:35:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 170-63-207-82.pool.ukrtel.net ([82.207.63.170] helo=mail.vist.loc) by relay2.ukrpost.ua with esmtp (Exim 4.75) (envelope-from ) id 1Xf23w-0000hA-Jd for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 17 Oct 2014 10:35:00 +0300 Received: from [192.168.1.11] (borisadm.vist.loc [192.168.1.11]) by mail.vist.loc (Postfix) with ESMTP id 797AB83089B for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2014 10:35:00 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <5440C6B1.6060005@i.ua> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 10:35:13 +0300 From: =?UTF-8?B?0JHQvtGA0LjRgQ==?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: How build iwn driver from head in 10.RC-2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 07:35:09 -0000 Hello, sorry for me english, my wifi intel centrino-2230 doesn't work in freebsd 10.RC-2, but work in freebsd-head. My question: what i need from freebsd-head to make work my card and how compil it. Thank you. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 17 12:26:34 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 42D7EC2D for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2014 12:26:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from asp.reflexion.net (outbound-241.asp.reflexion.net [69.84.129.241]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B68D7FD3 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2014 12:26:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 28198 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2014 12:26:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-cs-01.app.dca.reflexion.local) (10.81.19.1) by 0 (rfx-qmail) with SMTP; 17 Oct 2014 12:26:32 -0000 Received: by mail-cs-01.app.dca.reflexion.local (Reflexion email security v7.30.7) with SMTP; Fri, 17 Oct 2014 08:26:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 8996 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2014 12:26:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO GrantLaptop) (gpeel@thenetnow.com@216.240.12.2) by 0 (rfx-qmail) with ESMTPA; 17 Oct 2014 12:26:31 -0000 From: "Grant Peel" To: Subject: 9.3 Process Averages Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 08:25:30 -0400 Message-ID: <006801cfea05$71254e00$536fea00$@thenetnow.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: Ac/qBEJ4g57FZDFBS9yDAwUAlmGihA== Content-Language: en-ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 12:26:34 -0000 Hi all, I have recently built FreeBSD 9.3 (i386) from the ground up (making our next gen server build). Once complete I have been allowing it to run under no load, and have noticed that the load averages Hovering around 0.40 - 0.50 (see below). I have TERM'd and killed just about everything and the usage remains. I have never seen any other server do This with any other build. Is there something new in 9.x that might be causing this? I have servers running 8.0 With lots of software running that is not this high. I am not at all concerned about the hardware as it was an active server with no issues, and the system compiled without any issues. root@spare:/usr/local/etc/rc.d # top -Sa -s10 last pid: 3715; load averages: 0.43, 0.44, 0.43 up 0+08:55:07 08:14:46 33 processes: 2 running, 30 sleeping, 1 waiting CPU: 0.0% user, 0.0% nice, 0.0% system, 0.0% interrupt, 100% idle Mem: 12M Active, 309M Inact, 104M Wired, 88M Buf, 560M Free Swap: 4096M Total, 4096M Free PID USERNAME THR PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE C TIME WCPU COMMAND 11 root 2 155 ki31 0K 16K RUN 1 17.8H 200.00% [idle] 12 root 17 -84 - 0K 136K WAIT 0 0:42 0.00% [intr] 8 root 1 16 - 0K 8K syncer 1 0:21 0.00% [syncer] 13 root 3 -8 - 0K 24K - 0 0:07 0.00% [geom] 14 root 1 -16 - 0K 8K - 1 0:04 0.00% [yarrow] 977 gpeel 1 20 0 16224K 5452K select 0 0:02 0.00% sshd: me@pts/0 (sshd) 15 root 16 -68 - 0K 128K - 1 0:01 0.00% [usb] 9 root 1 -16 - 0K 8K vlruwt 1 0:01 0.00% [vnlru] 974 root 1 20 0 16224K 5368K select 0 0:00 0.00% sshd: me [priv] (sshd) 16 root 1 -16 - 0K 8K sdflus 1 0:00 0.00% [softdepflush] 981 root 1 20 0 10864K 2860K pause 1 0:00 0.00% _su (csh) 7 root 1 -16 - 0K 8K psleep 1 0:00 0.00% [bufdaemon] 0 root 9 -52 0 0K 72K - 1 0:00 0.00% [kernel] 980 gpeel 1 20 0 10092K 2116K wait 1 0:00 0.00% su 4 root 1 -16 - 0K 8K psleep 0 0:00 0.00% [pagedaemon] 3715 root 1 20 0 9892K 2136K CPU1 1 0:00 0.00% top -Sa -s10 978 gpeel 1 22 0 10864K 2804K pause 1 0:00 0.00% -tcsh (tcsh) 1 root 1 20 0 8036K 588K wait 0 0:00 0.00% [init] 408 root 1 20 0 12132K 3708K select 1 0:00 0.00% /sbin/devd 941 root 1 52 0 9544K 1524K ttyin 1 0:00 0.00% /usr/libexec/getty Pc ttyv 885 root 1 20 0 13468K 4968K select 0 0:00 0.00% /usr/sbin/sshd 943 root 1 52 0 9544K 1524K ttyin 0 0:00 0.00% /usr/libexec/getty Pc ttyv 946 root 1 52 0 9544K 1524K ttyin 1 0:00 0.00% /usr/libexec/getty Pc ttyv 947 root 1 52 0 9544K 1524K ttyin 0 0:00 0.00% /usr/libexec/getty Pc ttyv 942 root 1 52 0 9544K 1524K ttyin 1 0:00 0.00% /usr/libexec/getty Pc ttyv root@spare:/usr/local/etc/rc.d # ps ax PID TT STAT TIME COMMAND 0 ?? DLs 0:00.07 [kernel] 1 ?? ILs 0:00.01 /sbin/init -- 2 ?? DL 0:00.00 [sctp_iterator] 3 ?? DL 0:00.00 [xpt_thrd] 4 ?? DL 0:00.02 [pagedaemon] 5 ?? DL 0:00.00 [vmdaemon] 6 ?? DL 0:00.00 [pagezero] 7 ?? DL 0:00.09 [bufdaemon] 8 ?? DL 0:21.93 [syncer] 9 ?? DL 0:00.58 [vnlru] 10 ?? DL 0:00.00 [audit] 11 ?? RL 1082:16.80 [idle] 12 ?? WL 0:42.17 [intr] 13 ?? DL 0:06.83 [geom] 14 ?? DL 0:03.56 [yarrow] 15 ?? DL 0:01.47 [usb] 16 ?? DL 0:00.22 [softdepflush] 408 ?? Is 0:00.01 /sbin/devd 885 ?? Is 0:00.00 /usr/sbin/sshd 974 ?? Is 0:00.41 sshd: me [priv] (sshd) 977 ?? S 0:01.88 sshd: me@pts/0 (sshd) 941 v0 Is+ 0:00.00 /usr/libexec/getty Pc ttyv0 942 v1 Is+ 0:00.00 /usr/libexec/getty Pc ttyv1 943 v2 Is+ 0:00.00 /usr/libexec/getty Pc ttyv2 944 v3 Is+ 0:00.00 /usr/libexec/getty Pc ttyv3 945 v4 Is+ 0:00.00 /usr/libexec/getty Pc ttyv4 946 v5 Is+ 0:00.00 /usr/libexec/getty Pc ttyv5 947 v6 Is+ 0:00.00 /usr/libexec/getty Pc ttyv6 948 v7 Is+ 0:00.00 /usr/libexec/getty Pc ttyv7 978 0 Is 0:00.02 -tcsh (tcsh) 980 0 I 0:00.05 su 981 0 S 0:00.10 _su (csh) 3716 0 R+ 0:00.00 ps ax root@spare:/usr/local/etc/rc.d # Regards, -G From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 17 13:44:25 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ACDD1B4A; Fri, 17 Oct 2014 13:44:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 340289A7; Fri, 17 Oct 2014 13:44:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kw.news4all.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id s9HDKgMa035766; Fri, 17 Oct 2014 15:20:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Message-ID: <544117AA.5040908@bananmonarki.se> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 15:20:42 +0200 From: Bernt Hansson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "free >> questions FreeBSD" Subject: Problem with portbuild (kicad-devel) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: mr@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 13:44:25 -0000 Hello list! On one machine the build of cad/kicad-devel works; 9.3-PRERELEASE The other one don´t build FreeBSD 8.3-STABLE Error is; local symbol 5298: discarded in section `.text._ZNK8wxString9AsCharBufERK8wxMBConv' from ../pcbnew/github/libgithub_plugin.a(githu local symbol 5299: discarded in section `.text._ZNSt8_Rb_treeI8wxStringS0_St9_IdentityIS0_ESt4lessIS0_ESaIS0_EE8_M_eraseEPSt13_Rb_ local symbol 5300: discarded in section `.text._ZN8wxString6assignEPKwm' from ../pcbnew/github/libgithub_plugin.a(github_plugin.cp local symbol 5301: discarded in section `.text._ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSsPvESt10_Select1stIS3_ESt4lessISsESaIS3_EE8_M_eraseEPSt1 clang: error: linker command failed with exit code 1 (use -v to see invocation)^M *** Error code 1^M ^M Stop in /usr/ports/cad/kicad-devel/work/kicad-r5104.^M *** Error code 1^M ^M Stop in /usr/ports/cad/kicad-devel/work/kicad-r5104.^M *** Error code 1^M ^M Stop in /usr/ports/cad/kicad-devel/work/kicad-r5104.^M *** Error code 1^M ^M Stop in /usr/ports/cad/kicad-devel.^M *** Error code 1^M ^M Stop in /usr/ports/cad/kicad-devel.^M testbox# exit^M^M exit^M From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 17 22:51:24 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 31B06101 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2014 22:51:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx4.wp.pl (mx4.wp.pl [212.77.101.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.wp.pl", Issuer "Thawte SSL CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AFE789F3 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2014 22:51:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: (wp-smtpd smtp.wp.pl 27324 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2014 00:51:14 +0200 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=wp.pl; s=1024a; t=1413586274; bh=c63YC7ZwBArx6PoAnMgw+NaUjGSE7JFl1nSB3UCBfWg=; h=From:To:Subject; b=es3x+toVbluhXXGY8KNUX09/nUfqs5U3Ky/JE+xlsaq3ft7h/OK15yiNs7SvLN1a3 JDBP3BW/rJtndYHfAjPUWlaX8RwY9mzOJ8FvUwQ8WxD0HV8gGOM1/U+rvcos/BIWC1 urbfsEukpy2UMqcXh5SlntxjVeKMUwPn8w8+DLDM= Received: from out.poczta.wp.pl ([212.77.101.240]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp.wp.pl (WP-SMTPD) with SMTP for ; 18 Oct 2014 00:51:14 +0200 Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 00:51:14 +0200 From: "Damian Kowalczuk" To: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Question IMPORTANT Message-ID: <54419d6264bb06.12658833@wp.pl> Content-Disposition: inline X-Mailer: Interfejs WWW nowej poczty Wirtualnej Polski X-User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/37.0.2062.124 Safari/537.36 Organization: Poznaj Poczte WP http://poczta.wp.pl/info-start.html X-WP-IP: 78.88.107.52 X-WP-AV: skaner antywirusowy poczty Wirtualnej Polski S. 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[64.134.147.64]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id d191sm1299817ioe.14.2014.10.17.17.07.45 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 17 Oct 2014 17:07:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5441AF33.8090403@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 18:07:15 -0600 From: jd1008 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Question IMPORTANT References: <54419d6264bb06.12658833@wp.pl> In-Reply-To: <54419d6264bb06.12658833@wp.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 00:07:48 -0000 On 10/17/2014 04:51 PM, Damian Kowalczuk wrote: > Hello, > > I am interested in buying the domain (put.com) owned to the company > Putnam Internet Services, which also owns FreeBSD. > > I will be grateful if I received contact information (e-mail) to the > person with whom I could talk about the sale of that domain. > > > Regards > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Domain Name: PUT.COM Registry Domain ID: Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.networksolutions.com Registrar URL: http://networksolutions.com Updated Date: 2008-04-14T00:00:00Z Creation Date: 1995-09-15T00:00:00Z Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2017-09-14T00:00:00Z Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, LLC. Registrar IANA ID: 2 Registrar Abuse Contact Email: abuse@web.com Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.8003337680 Reseller: Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited Registry Registrant ID: <<<<<<<<<<< Registrant Name: Put.Com <<<<<<<<<<< Registrant Organization: Put.Com<<<<<<<<<<< Registrant Street: R.D. 2 Route 301<<<<<<<<<<< Registrant City: Carmel<<<<<<<<<<< Registrant State/Province: NY<<<<<<<<<<< Registrant Postal Code: 10512-9786<<<<<<<<<<< Registrant Country: US Registrant Phone: +1.8452254848 <<<<<<<<<<< Registrant Phone Ext: Registrant Fax: +1.9999999999 Registrant Fax Ext: Registrant Email: lepslog@J51.COM Registry Admin ID: Admin Name: Epstein, Louis Admin Organization: Put.Com Admin Street: RR 13 Admin City: CARMEL Admin State/Province: NY Admin Postal Code: 10512-9813 Admin Country: US Admin Phone: +1.9142254848 Admin Phone Ext: Admin Fax: Admin Fax Ext: Admin Email: lepslog@J51.COM Registry Tech ID: Tech Name: Epstein, Louis Tech Organization: Put.Com Tech Street: RR 13 Tech City: CARMEL Tech State/Province: NY Tech Postal Code: 10512-9813 Tech Country: US Tech Phone: +1.9142254848 Tech Phone Ext: Tech Fax: Tech Fax Ext: Tech Email: lepslog@J51.COM Name Server: MAIN.PUT.COM Name Server: CBRU.BR.NS.ELS-GMS.ATT.NET Name Server: SIDE.PUT.COM Name Server: CMTU.MT.NS.ELS-GMS.ATT.NET DNSSEC: not signed URL of the ICANN WHOIS Data Problem Reporting System: http://wdprs.internic.net/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 18 00:32:38 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8C60D564 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 00:32:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DB2660D for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 00:32:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-4-100.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.4.100]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 91E132763B; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 02:32:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id s9I0WSve008825; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 02:32:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 02:32:28 +0200 From: Polytropon To: "Damian Kowalczuk" Subject: Re: Question IMPORTANT Message-Id: <20141018023228.758c93f2.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <54419d6264bb06.12658833@wp.pl> References: <54419d6264bb06.12658833@wp.pl> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 00:32:38 -0000 On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 00:51:14 +0200, Damian Kowalczuk wrote: > Hello, > > I am interested in buying the domain (put.com) owned to the company > Putnam Internet Services, which also owns FreeBSD. This is incorrect. They do not own FreeBSD. However, according to their web site, they do _use_ it. How did you get the impression that they own it? > I will be grateful if I received contact information (e-mail) to the > person with whom I could talk about the sale of that domain. You should contact the responsible person that you can easily find by reading "whois put.com". You can also find contact information directly on their home page. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 18 01:04:49 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E82A79AE for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 01:04:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A5CD08DC for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 01:04:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-4-100.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.4.100]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B89D93CDEC; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 03:04:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id s9I14d85002086; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 03:04:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 03:04:39 +0200 From: Polytropon To: =?UTF-8?B?0JHQvtGA0LjRgQ==?= Subject: Re: How build iwn driver from head in 10.RC-2 Message-Id: <20141018030439.743dbbda.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <5440C6B1.6060005@i.ua> References: <5440C6B1.6060005@i.ua> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 01:04:50 -0000 On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 10:35:13 +0300, Борис wrote: > Hello, sorry for me english, my wifi intel centrino-2230 doesn't work in > freebsd 10.RC-2, but work in freebsd-head. > My question: what i need from freebsd-head to make work my card and how > compil it. Without having tested it: You should obtain the full source tree and then change to the /usr/src/sys/modules/iwn directory. From there, you should be able to run "make" and "make install". In worst case. build the full kernel (run "make buildkernel" from /usr/src) and copy the module from the restulting /usr/obj tree to the proper locatin within /boot. I am not sure in how far iwnfw (firmwares) are involved here, so see "man iwn" and "man iwnfw" for details. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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From there, > you should be able to run "make" and "make install". > In worst case. build the full kernel (run "make buildkernel" > from /usr/src) and copy the module from the restulting > /usr/obj tree to the proper locatin within /boot. I am > not sure in how far iwnfw (firmwares) are involved here, > so see "man iwn" and "man iwnfw" for details. > > > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... Thanks for response, i build module but it can't be loaded, dmesg show something like "depends on kernel - not available or version mismatch". Than i build and install new kernel from freebsd-HEAD on my freebsd-10.1-RC2 and adapter seems work fine. But I'm unsure whether I did. Kernel from HEAD in 10.1-RC2 system is it normal? -- реклама ----------------------------------------------------------- Используйте только качественный облачный хостинг! http://freehost.com.ua/vps/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 18 15:13:30 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0D3DC10C for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 15:13:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qc0-x230.google.com (mail-qc0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c01::230]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C75ED983 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 15:13:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qc0-f176.google.com with SMTP id r5so1899496qcx.7 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 08:13:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=FAtQEZJXDS03oZBA9aXyxuZYNa6J46xlyYegqTLuYUs=; b=XbfnUC3X2+781rbzUQr6KRCx565Shlb2Q1De+OZaf3FV0L2HgmZg/U9S0LzrO1dW0u XUVWwV8kWhVvIWv5noMofoyCTuj6geO8ktewsirOsvurDCC6CjsGGMUtVK2OFzQcwn8C 23/bfQFct3JNMkpJUOtSqNWQKk2kDMAH1DUe7KHOgxNo5YCozYwwzqqSSzU8/8aqATjD BKpLGgbGY5SBKJxNDk3rVouGT0foUHkmnX57vj/2EC7510oPr8nfWBrKCcPBub0fkewJ gAMVcmp1txnNSkBQm6aWN17G+IPvrAJ/2xTv8R7l1q7MxJY/XHKMqJM10kpleqPE6/j4 w5lg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.229.37.138 with SMTP id x10mr6187249qcd.5.1413645208869; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 08:13:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.27.234 with HTTP; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 08:13:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 12:13:28 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Is true that Microsoft doesn't use products Microsoft in web servers in half the time ? From: =?UTF-8?Q?fran=C3=A7ai_s?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 15:13:30 -0000 Probably I'll invest in a distant future maybe in web servers, but I do not know what to use for this. In FreeBSD Forums, the user 'deathbyfreezeray' said that "Honestly when it comes to web servers, even Microsoft doesn't use Microsoft products half the time. " reference: https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/why-do-people-use-freebsd.48396/ Is true that Microsoft doesn't use products Microsoft in web servers in half the time ? If is true, what are the products in web servers that the Microsoft use in half the time? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 18 15:28:59 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A82C366D for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 15:28:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from remote.thehowies.com (50-197-91-217-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.197.91.217]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "remote.thehowies.com", Issuer "RapidSSL CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7EBA7A84 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 15:28:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from PRIMARY.thehowies.local ([fe80::967:7eb6:ee49:3820]) by PRIMARY.thehowies.local ([fe80::967:7eb6:ee49:3820%11]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 08:27:48 -0700 From: John Howie To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?fran=E7ai_s?= Subject: Re: Is true that Microsoft doesn't use products Microsoft in web servers in half the time ? Thread-Topic: Is true that Microsoft doesn't use products Microsoft in web servers in half the time ? Thread-Index: AQHP6uYWbdpb5lgecU681BJMJTqLv5w1+leB Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 15:27:47 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 15:28:59 -0000 As someone who used to work in the cloud group at Microsoft I can tell you = that the vast majority of servers are running Windows and Web servers are I= IS. It is true that Microsoft has some pockets of Linux. These are those produc= ts and services offered by companies that Microsoft has bought which have y= et to transition over to the Windows platform. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 18, 2014, at 11:13 AM, fran=E7ai s wrote: >=20 > Probably I'll invest in a distant future maybe in web servers, but I > do not know what to use for this. >=20 > In FreeBSD Forums, the user 'deathbyfreezeray' said that "Honestly > when it comes to web servers, even Microsoft doesn't use Microsoft > products half the time. " reference: > https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/why-do-people-use-freebsd.48396/ >=20 > Is true that Microsoft doesn't use products Microsoft in web servers > in half the time ? >=20 > If is true, what are the products in web servers that the Microsoft > use in half the time? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 18 15:40:29 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0C7F28D9 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 15:40:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.parts-unknown.org (mail.parts-unknown.org [IPv6:2001:470:67:119::4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E4FE2B65 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 15:40:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.parts-unknown.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 321C65B3BC86; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 08:40:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 08:40:22 -0700 From: David Benfell To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?fran=E7ai?= s Subject: Re: Is true that Microsoft doesn't use products Microsoft in web servers in half the time ? Message-ID: <20141018154022.GA43473@home.parts-unknown.org> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="lrZ03NoBR/3+SXJZ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 15:40:29 -0000 --lrZ03NoBR/3+SXJZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 12:13:28PM -0300, fran=E7ai s wrote: >=20 > Is true that Microsoft doesn't use products Microsoft in web servers > in half the time ? >=20 It has been a very long time--the dot-com era--since I heard anything about this. Apparently at that time, Microsoft was using FreeBSD for hotmail and several attempts to convert it to a Windows platform had failed. The irony of this gave one of my co-workers at Linuxcare at the time no small amount of delight. She was a strong FreeBSD advocate. But I *think* they eventually overcame the hurdles and hotmail is now running on a Microsoft platform. --=20 David Benfell See https://parts-unknown.org/node/2 if you don't understand the attachment. --lrZ03NoBR/3+SXJZ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJUQonlAAoJEBV64x4SNmArQ+EP/jKHKg1K4M7nqHRAQvv/iaRu yUu00zEbQx3j354k+NKRlIZxBdsZ2rx7o8HgAzE5TCZ82A8zJMYSki1AeCxQq6kg NrsO6Q3l9G6a4PdTL2kA94M09bxXhJBu7y5VZ2kpbKPKCrcuv1F9hHbwRntIpcyH C/u1KkK8jugSAByVmQ1Bb3MFkIBxitUfiMwrcUGTwNk3+zZBcwJa1OzbdV3kGyQh 2XVV08bS9PicMoA3W239ruaevXjdQJU2vYV8/f726XrQZ23G2aPfHUOTX9CKkbKK miwxZzL0rnkkd1fM32yYCktCHB95zutlXU0zS56prTv0xC+AmSXA2Chd4Z0tqtz8 iNWGf5ZWaQQPIbJ6Kn9JFjTFBuERvv6YlEsQ934McRwONRCEljt3lFxg0523PTPk ckwLdtW8N4S7TO/iW6NL8XA/LASFjvQL3LpbkTD1H8IH1P+Ug68owMzY1NeUGEwa iDTguURgKnSXe679llB2BxX4cSJFD3doSodvMfNWTOHvxmSxlWtFbjudRB+NP48b pztswgssNXJJpVsc4YpX7vYMJtEy+AQd9gAFZY0hXk+DNLMdK/qhJpdVCJwn/Oq3 AO2PextWXnuq6lkTLtn7PMBa9tpk4rzo0beiSKmTHwisFpP9umbmSsbB3j6pHnA5 9E+POu8nTpvbIzKQMzgk =jJSe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --lrZ03NoBR/3+SXJZ-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 18 16:09:10 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2431FB3B for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 16:09:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from remote.thehowies.com (50-197-91-217-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.197.91.217]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "remote.thehowies.com", Issuer "RapidSSL CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EE400D8B for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 16:09:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from PRIMARY.thehowies.local ([fe80::967:7eb6:ee49:3820]) by PRIMARY.thehowies.local ([fe80::967:7eb6:ee49:3820%11]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 09:09:09 -0700 From: John Howie To: David Benfell Subject: Re: Is true that Microsoft doesn't use products Microsoft in web servers in half the time ? 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From: sergio de Almeida Lenzi To: John Howie In-Reply-To: References: <20141018154022.GA43473@home.parts-unknown.org> Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 13:20:19 -0300 Message-ID: <1413649219.43984.11.camel@lenzinote.lenzicasa> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?fran=E7ai?= s , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , David Benfell X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 16:20:25 -0000 The old truth still applys "If you want the thing done once and forever, USE UNIX" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 18 16:35:11 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9A22917D for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 16:35:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wg0-x234.google.com (mail-wg0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 33AB79 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 16:35:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f52.google.com with SMTP id a1so2744063wgh.23 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 09:35:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=txkOH0eXkTAWsVIIhOkyXxrBGsc+UG4MeS4Tr9h5QmA=; b=J1eUQq/WuCcjRqdDo9VVOz0zBACQAEfgkFaxJvpVe+8kgLkM4IKRBXFYfxXhHiHynA sxdjToK8/RUuD2VD541EP+I8dyjt3hvBwe74ii51aPkx56WKbTYJxBtuAdgyOyzuRBni mxS18G8MNu6E73x1v9WE41SZe1IVuRKItvEN/WfCJA4ajeD4gjIEuh8NNBbCI+8craFI Ndj9x8stax2+zIluNjqWp/IfURHc2wBB8kYTphw3BKo57HvXh2YGJUX3C82KnZcLX0ry Kd88H/SBLgG3nAb3lb7tjs5V25YXcCLYgSoHqmJ77gFjpeHHijO1DCuexBgJ5v12vK5O DcdQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.61.51 with SMTP id m19mr19324744wjr.15.1413650108630; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 09:35:08 -0700 (PDT) Sender: adrian.chadd@gmail.com Received: by 10.216.106.136 with HTTP; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 09:35:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5440C6B1.6060005@i.ua> <20141018030439.743dbbda.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 09:35:08 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 4xKDCrUXNCT5OWWe23TACq8XVn4 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re[2]: How build iwn driver from head in 10.RC-2 From: Adrian Chadd To: =?UTF-8?B?0JHQvtGA0LjRgQ==?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 16:35:11 -0000 .. I don't have any instructions on running drivers from -HEAD on -10 or earlier releases because I don't want to be responsible for making it work. It already won't, thanks to Gleb's recent counter API changes. FreeBSD-HEAD isn't that scary. Honest. I use it on everything I own that isn't a mac. :) -a From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 18 17:56:46 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E036C804; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 17:56:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from st14.mi6.kiev.ua (st14.mi6.kiev.ua [91.198.36.66]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8EADD9A1; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 17:56:45 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=i.ua; s=mail; h=Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:References:MIME-Version:Date:In-Reply-To:Cc:From:Subject:To; bh=lddZkTxV7w8yJWJ2dEvpcLNAqCDaMQSsWsizkMdHJXs=; b=eI+1jAdFjxQYn9/sJNEsDTJoQptBi2nwHxIQ8DAXoUi1MBJ0bhz05s54FCK9XVf553XtJlaTpXkizNOLzUwa9TbLSnP1gB1AkoPzX+cSsUApS8iVVTM0sqaColsg28ubKKF6WfzHC2R2SxGV3DYK+pb1sTwWmrdRHsSz009dQqQ=; Received: from web09.mi6 ([10.0.0.8] helo=web09.mi6.kiev.ua) by st14.mi6.kiev.ua with esmtp (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XfYF8-0000AA-7n; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 20:56:42 +0300 Received: from web by web09.mi6.kiev.ua with local (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XfYF7-0006nC-RS; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 20:56:41 +0300 To: Adrian Chadd Subject: =?utf-8?B?UmVbNF06IEhvdyBidWlsZCBpd24gZHJpdmVyIGZyb20gaGVhZCBpbiAxMC5SQy0y?= From: =?utf-8?B?0JHQvtGA0LjRgQ==?= In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 20:56:41 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5440C6B1.6060005@i.ua> <20141018030439.743dbbda.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: I.UA Mail System X-Server: web09.mi6.kiev.ua X-Sender-IP: 178.151.155.35 X-User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:32.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/32.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 17:56:47 -0000 18.10.2014 19:35, Adrian Chadd >.. I don't have any instructions on running drivers from -HEAD on -10 > or earlier releases because I don't want to be responsible for making > it work. It already won't, thanks to Gleb's recent counter API > changes. > > FreeBSD-HEAD isn't that scary. Honest. I use it on everything I own > that isn't a mac. :) > > > -a thanks, i understood, gona use freebsd-HEAD. Is there any information when driver will be merged in release? p.s.: sorry for ad -- реклама ----------------------------------------------------------- Используйте только качественный облачный хостинг! http://freehost.com.ua/vps/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 18 18:39:46 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A0765326 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 18:39:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nlpiport17.prodigy.net.mx (nlpiport17.prodigy.net.mx [148.235.52.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AB98D14 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 18:39:46 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.04,745,1406610000"; d="scan'208";a="1015363054" Received: from nlpiport04.prodigy.net.mx ([148.235.52.112]) by nlpiport17.prodigy.net.mx with ESMTP; 18 Oct 2014 13:35:09 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApESAC6yQlS9qp9W/2dsb2JhbABbgw5TuWYGknqCHoUyBAICgQ4XAX2EAwEBBEkNMwshExIPKh4ZiEHNLAELIIYjijUWhDUFhRUChkuRdgGWIoF+IIF5HS+CSwEBAQ Received: from dsl-189-170-159-86-dyn.prod-infinitum.com.mx (HELO morena.maps.net) ([189.170.159.86]) by nlpiport04.prodigy.net.mx with SMTP; 18 Oct 2014 13:35:08 -0500 Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 11:34:36 -0700 From: Martin Alejandro Paredes Sanchez To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Network problem Message-ID: <20141018113436.059792cf@morena.maps.net> In-Reply-To: <20141016195313.65bdca0f@Papi> References: <20141016195313.65bdca0f@Papi> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.10.1 (GTK+ 2.24.22; i386-portbld-freebsd10.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 18:39:46 -0000 El Thu, 16 Oct 2014 19:53:13 -0300 Mario Lobo escribi=F3: > Hi; >=20 > I have 2 links with 2 different ISPs on this firewall. >=20 > On one link, everything is normal >=20 > [~]>ping www.google.com > PING www.google.com (64.233.185.104): 56 data bytes > 64 bytes from 64.233.185.104: icmp_seq=3D0 ttl=3D44 time=3D175.683 ms > 64 bytes from 64.233.185.104: icmp_seq=3D1 ttl=3D44 time=3D174.499 ms >=20 > on the other, I get this: >=20 > [~]>setfib 1 ping www.google.com > PING www.google.com (64.233.185.104): 56 data bytes > ping: sendto: No buffer space available > 64 bytes from 64.233.185.104: icmp_seq=3D0 ttl=3D39 time=3D2837.234 ms > 64 bytes from 64.233.185.104: icmp_seq=3D2 ttl=3D39 time=3D1999.021 ms > ping: sendto: No buffer space available > 64 bytes from 64.233.185.104: icmp_seq=3D3 ttl=3D39 time=3D2256.407 ms >=20 > re0 - PROD-LAN > re1 - LAB-LAN > sk0 - ISP1 (fib 0) > sk1 - ISP2 (fib 1) >=20 > FreeBSD FreeBSD 8.3-STABLE #0 r204106 Wed Sep 17 10:28:45 BRT 2014 >=20 > last pid: 6963; load averages: 0.00, 0.00,0.00 =20 > 19:47:29 61 processes: 1 running, 60 sleeping=20 > CPU: 0.0% user, 0.0% nice, 0.2% system, 0.1% interrupt, 99.7% > idle Mem: 210M Active,=20 > 3933M Inact,=20 > 1559M Wired,=20 > 516K Cache,=20 > 771M Buf,=20 > 1671M Free=20 > Swap: 16G Total, 16G Free The ping to the router of the ISP2 has the same latency? I think that the problem is in the net of the ISP Martin Paredes From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 18 19:41:35 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 51B3B25B for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 19:41:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wg0-x232.google.com (mail-wg0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::232]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DE0902FC for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 19:41:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f50.google.com with SMTP id a1so2866394wgh.21 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 12:41:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=QwR4Pqyx05VfHr900C0AHJCWULAWgqkDOcxOQZAizRo=; b=bODluXjQFbfRQqAgq9eXqxoQLN4aVWWqg7DyBUlLUSHl8a++V/+oNTSmWxQ79Q5A6a 0mqW3k1ABcxmGdPU70AT4Kg+sI4dZ3vaUtPGgFlge29D6dFpUzEVJHUt/JK4XTZGGrXr XCT70GqoYnWA68ZpL7qgp0YlGbVIMzzzVb7RJVcy589o6EguGiZ97u8rUWrEqyi1CEp8 /77H2/epUQYJnW+dDOhbJliHQCjAyaytd9BKSBlZRy7iE8TbXTvqHCrOmIr8eWqmO9RH EtdoXo6st4kG+TNHuZzEf+aA9JK0DbtWImvv27dR5Lp7uMs+cYu3hedZrc05icHN+RoW q7Kw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.119.193 with SMTP id kw1mr20083282wjb.37.1413661292680; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 12:41:32 -0700 (PDT) Sender: adrian.chadd@gmail.com Received: by 10.216.106.136 with HTTP; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 12:41:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5440C6B1.6060005@i.ua> <20141018030439.743dbbda.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 12:41:32 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: IN4qrN3qUFUSvFrd-aK3aATq92o Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re[4]: How build iwn driver from head in 10.RC-2 From: Adrian Chadd To: =?UTF-8?B?0JHQvtGA0LjRgQ==?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 19:41:35 -0000 Hi! On 18 October 2014 10:56, =D0=91=D0=BE=D1=80=D0=B8=D1=81 wrot= e: > > > 18.10.2014 19:35, Adrian Chadd >>.. I don't have any instructions on running drivers from -HEAD on -10 >> or earlier releases because I don't want to be responsible for making >> it work. It already won't, thanks to Gleb's recent counter API >> changes. >> >> FreeBSD-HEAD isn't that scary. Honest. I use it on everything I own >> that isn't a mac. :) >> >> >> -a > > thanks, i understood, gona use freebsd-HEAD. Is there any information whe= n driver will be merged in release? I don't have the time/energy to MFC stuff I'm doing in my spare/fun time to 10. :P I only MFC stuff that's work related that we need in 10. I'm totally happy for someone else to do the hard work and get another committer to backport net80211 and wifi driver fixes to -10. (I'd just rather run -HEAD, it's easier to do debugging and commit things without having to wait for backporting. :) -a From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 18 19:54:25 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D004C374 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 19:54:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7FFCB3E2 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 19:54:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kabini1.local (rbn1-216-180-19-74.adsl.hiwaay.net [216.180.19.74]) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id s9IJsMid003143 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 14:54:23 -0500 Message-ID: <5442C6E5.2080001@hiwaay.net> Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 15:00:37 -0500 From: "William A. Mahaffey III" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is true that Microsoft doesn't use products Microsoft in web servers in half the time ? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 19:54:25 -0000 On 10/18/14 10:13, franai s wrote: > Probably I'll invest in a distant future maybe in web servers, but I > do not know what to use for this. > > In FreeBSD Forums, the user 'deathbyfreezeray' said that "Honestly > when it comes to web servers, even Microsoft doesn't use Microsoft > products half the time. " reference: > https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/why-do-people-use-freebsd.48396/ > > Is true that Microsoft doesn't use products Microsoft in web servers > in half the time ? > > If is true, what are the products in web servers that the Microsoft > use in half the time? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > M$FT FTP servers for service patches used to run FreeBSD back in the day, Win2K time frame, I downloaded some service patches using Linux boxen & saw the signature declaring FreeBSD FTP service .... some years ago, but still .... -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 18 22:26:52 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 29F0BBBE for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 22:26:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qg0-x229.google.com (mail-qg0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c04::229]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D59B4231 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 22:26:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qg0-f41.google.com with SMTP id a108so2048519qge.28 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 15:26:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsd.com.br; s=capeta; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:organization :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ruTmSIvGJ7xIb/btx1JvYe0KJKTNBOFvH0vxhWUG5fE=; b=Vnu5zDVqNRgsu/VAr1RMfnZZ2JM2RMif4wsPLCvc5Wab4hpa80M0jPLBYWlnNWOnnn vmM86ozdRNarQzXQ/fxRL+PfDYFbotOg2hZLIRkUb1Y5Q1I9RUPwBxoD05BN+3IYEnkQ 06t1c+GxzDEsmO6cEW4uvL/5sVmK/U7Edp+nI= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:organization:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ruTmSIvGJ7xIb/btx1JvYe0KJKTNBOFvH0vxhWUG5fE=; b=QWtVY08PgvB4l3l1EtHvspMZljcYQp7TeEiMDhx59jDYae4rgA+7YDgjeu3ySOiwb+ AswcLonFbplUoJzpRnOc5gb8qSiqg/8Dgv//E5dTmbkvcZ27VBuYPkAX8rVsrarvOpVa cknFcTi+Er7kjM4Qsg0hrGO0UT4hGkTUDUE6jMz7ejnMPM1WckPJeeW/W90xqYqaNkkq 2ZLyu1Wv59VU+FSREsTrtZ2yPuZrshdlkyu4SatPuMqrPbPFmKJy1WdUlDH2iAusFLAx 6RPC7R59KLJlZLfcG8llAShJmF4Q4LBI4eNC9Yuh+XxyMtdiSZ5jKBumFHQbrI1DAaVj sSUw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkEBGPQibs1nqVyUb1/QAO9Fdu4W2MAxxroye0NudoHRO8OkFnQJqDJH/HO2vyH/RdesF8f X-Received: by 10.224.23.67 with SMTP id q3mr23023530qab.92.1413671210264; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 15:26:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Papi ([177.134.200.31]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id c88sm4166661qgf.14.2014.10.18.15.26.49 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 18 Oct 2014 15:26:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 19:26:17 -0300 From: Mario Lobo To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Network problem Message-ID: <20141018192617.73a14690@Papi> In-Reply-To: <20141018113436.059792cf@morena.maps.net> References: <20141016195313.65bdca0f@Papi> <20141018113436.059792cf@morena.maps.net> Organization: BSD X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.10.1 (GTK+ 2.24.22; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 22:26:52 -0000 On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 11:34:36 -0700 Martin Alejandro Paredes Sanchez wrote: > El Thu, 16 Oct 2014 19:53:13 -0300 > Mario Lobo escribi=F3: > > Hi; > >=20 > > I have 2 links with 2 different ISPs on this firewall. > >=20 > > On one link, everything is normal > >=20 > > [~]>ping www.google.com > > PING www.google.com (64.233.185.104): 56 data bytes > > 64 bytes from 64.233.185.104: icmp_seq=3D0 ttl=3D44 time=3D175.683 ms > > 64 bytes from 64.233.185.104: icmp_seq=3D1 ttl=3D44 time=3D174.499 ms > >=20 > > on the other, I get this: > >=20 > > [~]>setfib 1 ping www.google.com > > PING www.google.com (64.233.185.104): 56 data bytes > > ping: sendto: No buffer space available > > 64 bytes from 64.233.185.104: icmp_seq=3D0 ttl=3D39 time=3D2837.234 ms > > 64 bytes from 64.233.185.104: icmp_seq=3D2 ttl=3D39 time=3D1999.021 ms > > ping: sendto: No buffer space available > > 64 bytes from 64.233.185.104: icmp_seq=3D3 ttl=3D39 time=3D2256.407 ms > >=20 > > re0 - PROD-LAN > > re1 - LAB-LAN > > sk0 - ISP1 (fib 0) > > sk1 - ISP2 (fib 1) > >=20 > > FreeBSD FreeBSD 8.3-STABLE #0 r204106 Wed Sep 17 10:28:45 BRT 2014 > >=20 > > last pid: 6963; load averages: 0.00, 0.00,0.00 =20 > > 19:47:29 61 processes: 1 running, 60 sleeping=20 > > CPU: 0.0% user, 0.0% nice, 0.2% system, 0.1% interrupt, 99.7% > > idle Mem: 210M Active,=20 > > 3933M Inact,=20 > > 1559M Wired,=20 > > 516K Cache,=20 > > 771M Buf,=20 > > 1671M Free=20 > > Swap: 16G Total, 16G Free >=20 > The ping to the router of the ISP2 has the same latency? >=20 > I think that the problem is in the net of the ISP >=20 > Martin Paredes > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" The problem was really with the ISP! Thanks for the attention, Martin ! --=20 Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] (99% winblows FREE) =20 "UNIX was not designed to stop you from doing stupid things,=20 because that would also stop you from doing clever things."