From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 1 01:28:15 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE2DB16A4CE for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 01:28:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.203]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A36443D46 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 01:28:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from leafy7382@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 34so228324rns for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:28:15 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=TbMS0q+ZTiiROvMvoo2XZfuqO4e+szN2IerEqsjN5tdvKJZECKUeUDzcJ9lFYmyBTZhxEkCWO+P0P2kBKyiz70HICoKF/Ob9APELXg0besvkrSimChi4i7M2mQjloDhuytmdeZhb2qwJ98/1oL2SPtRCl8QATNoJa+cWldNiZ7k= Received: by 10.38.206.33 with SMTP id d33mr1646905rng; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:28:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.8.31 with HTTP; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:28:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 09:28:14 +0800 From: Jiawei Ye To: "Jason C. Wells" In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20041129024602.GA23324@turingmachine.mentalsiege.net> cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The beastie boot menu. X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Jiawei Ye List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 01:28:16 -0000 On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:09:42 -0800, Jason C. Wells wrote: > It's just not important, not even to regular users. The claim that FreeBSD > is not suitable to regular users because the beastie menu is gone is silly. > > Later, > Jason C. Wells I am a regular user of FreeBSD since 2.2.8. "Usability" isn't a on-or-off thing. I don't claim something to be "unusable" because one single feature isn't present, but it's the notion of "more usable" or "less usable" that counts. Putting up the beastie menu with or without the beastie does make FreeBSD more usable in my case. What is wrong for being not wanting to remember exact arcane loader commands when one can just press '2' to boot without acpi? Regards, Jiawei Ye -- "Without the userland, the kernel is useless." --inspired by The Tao of Programming