From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 5 15:49:35 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11AA016A4CE for ; Wed, 5 May 2004 15:49:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gamera.svk.isite.net (mail.isite.net [205.217.158.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC53443D41 for ; Wed, 5 May 2004 15:49:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jrhett@isite.net) Received: from anubis.svk.isite.net (anubis.svk.isite.net [205.217.158.5]) by gamera.svk.isite.net (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i45MnNqa021133 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Wed, 5 May 2004 15:49:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from anubis.svk.isite.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) i45MnN0G009283; Wed, 5 May 2004 15:49:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jrhett@localhost)i45MnCs1009282; Wed, 5 May 2004 15:49:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 15:49:12 -0700 From: Joe Rhett To: Mark Linimon Message-ID: <20040505224912.GA9165@isite.net> References: <20040504235754.GA8@isite.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2i Organization: Isite Services, Inc. cc: current@freebsd.org cc: =?unknown-8bit?Q?S=F8ren?= Schmidt Subject: Re: Updated SATA support patches for Intel ICH & Promise cards X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 22:49:35 -0000 Just so you know, you're singing to the choir here. I think everyone realizes that its going to take coordination. But Soren didn't say "whoah, let's try this a different way" he went directly to "you're wasting my time" without even a basic attempt to consolidate the efforts. On Tue, May 04, 2004 at 07:15:15PM -0500, Mark Linimon wrote: > > It sounds very much like you're putting your ego far, far in front > > of functional code. > > I think you should go back and read the history of the work that > Soren has done before you criticize him. I am not at all surprised > that he has a large number of patches in the queue due to the amount > of work that he puts in on ATA (mostly unheralded). > > There is certainly plenty of work to go around in this area, but > no doubt needs careful coordination due to the complexity of the > work involved -- it has seemed, in the past, that seemingly-trivial > changes break old, brain-damaged, ATA hardware. > > Please, folks, let's try to work together on these really hard > problems, and respect that fact that coordinating lots of changes > are always going to require extra work -- but it will get FreeBSD > a lot further along towards its goals in the long run. > > mcl -- Joe Rhett Chief Geek JRhett@Isite.Net Isite Services, Inc.