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Date:      Mon, 27 May 2002 16:03:37 +0930
From:      Greg 'groggy' Lehey <grog@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Terry Lambert <tlambert2@mindspring.com>
Cc:        pgreen <polytarp@m-net.arbornet.org>, Rahul Siddharthan <rsidd@online.fr>, chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Language in danger: Language loss
Message-ID:  <20020527160337.H71831@wantadilla.lemis.com>
In-Reply-To: <3CF1D271.321A6B21@mindspring.com>
References:  <Pine.BSF.4.21.0205261919370.49175-100000@m-net.arbornet.org> <3CF17486.F06F3E6A@mindspring.com> <20020527104558.B43610@wantadilla.lemis.com> <3CF1D271.321A6B21@mindspring.com>

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On Sunday, 26 May 2002 at 23:30:09 -0700, Terry Lambert wrote:
> Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
>>>>> Your ability to think about certain concepts is constrained by the
>>>>> language(s) in which you are able to think.
>>>>
>>>> No, it isn't.
>>>
>>> Provide a counter example.
>>
>> Done.
>>
>> Of course, I can't communicate it to you, because to do that I would
>> have to put it in language.
>
> Har.  Your failure to cbe able to communicate it to me in language
> indicates that the language you would use to try to do so is inherently
> constrained from representing certain concepts, such as the one you
> can't communicate in it.  8-).

Yes, this is one of the more perspicacious observations you've made in
this discussion.  Thought is not communication.

>> Imagine you're driving down a crowded freeway and a car in front of
>> you suddenly stops.  You have to avoid it.  How do you do it?  "Well,
>> if I veer to the left, I may hit the gravel on the side of the road,
>> if I veer to the right, I may hit the central reservation, but there's
>> not enough space between the lanes for me to get through, so maybe the
>> gravel's the least risk"?  Of course not.  Putting thoughts into
>> language is too slow for your own thoughts.
>
> Personally, I would avoid it by stopping, since I maintain at least
> 1.5 times my reaction time in distance between myself and the car in
> front of me.  I rather imagine that stupid people smack into the car.
> There's a reason that, in the U.S., the driver who rear-ends another
> automatically gets the ticket.  8-).

But you're missing the point.  And the driver behind you won't miss
you.

Greg
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