From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 21 12:43:48 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB6F516A4CE; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 12:43:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from keylime.silverwraith.com (keylime.silverwraith.com [69.55.228.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9483B43D1F; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 12:43:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lists-freebsd@silverwraith.com) Received: from keylime.silverwraith.com ([69.55.228.10]) by keylime.silverwraith.com with esmtp (Exim 4.34; FreeBSD) id 1BnGRm-0003KN-1B; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 05:43:46 -0700 Received: (from avleen@localhost)i6LChjlt012794; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 05:43:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lists-freebsd@silverwraith.com) X-Authentication-Warning: keylime.silverwraith.com: avleen set sender to lists-freebsd@silverwraith.com using -f Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 05:43:45 -0700 From: Avleen Vig To: "Conrad J. Sabatier" Message-ID: <20040721124345.GB99978@silverwraith.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-Spam-Score: -100.0 (---------------------------------------------------) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "keylime.silverwraith.com", hasmessageblock similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 07:39:31PM -0500, Conrad J. Sabatier wrote: > Just musing on an idea here: > > I've been thinking for a while now about trying to write a tool to make > kernel configuration easier, sort of a "make config" (as in ports) for > the [...] Content analysis details: (-100.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description -------------------------------------------------- -100 USER_IN_WHITELIST From: address is in the user's white-list cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-config@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "Next Generation" kernel configuration? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 12:43:48 -0000 On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 07:39:31PM -0500, Conrad J. Sabatier wrote: > Just musing on an idea here: > > I've been thinking for a while now about trying to write a tool to make > kernel configuration easier, sort of a "make config" (as in ports) for > the kernel, similar to what's available on some of the Linux distros. I've read over the other posts in this thread, but I cannot say I think this is a good idea. In fact, I think it's a very bad idea, but with very good intentions. Here's why.. I'm a strong proponent of user education. The FreeBSD handbook is one of the best education tools for someone who wants to use FreeBSD, right from beginner to more advanced levels. A "config tool", while useful for beginners, would quickly result is those beginners not learning about building a kernel themselves, copying GENERIC to `hostname -s | tr "[:lower:]" "[:upper:]"`, editing it, learning what is in LINT, remembering to look through there, etc. This process teaches users a lot about how a BSD kernel is configured, what options are availible, and where to look for more options. The end result would be more people building kernels themselves, but not knowing what is actually happening, or what more is possible. It would mean less educated users, and I don't think that is somewhere any organization needs to go (look at what happened to the average Microsoft user's IQ level, after people stopped using DOS and started having machines do the work for them). Like I said, I think your intentions are good, but I have concerns about the suggested solution.