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[174.109.225.250]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h19sm4007584qtk.78.2020.05.09.05.11.26 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sat, 09 May 2020 05:11:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (hp-envy.seibercom.net [192.168.0.102]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 49K5dn2zzQz1YX2 for ; Sat, 9 May 2020 08:11:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 9 May 2020 08:11:17 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft Teams for Linux Message-ID: <20200509080448.00001ee8@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <20200509121604.b385c38e8ad5518c9a571ef2@sohara.org> References: <20200505093624.00001df2@seibercom.net> <223da1b3-a83d-b2e8-36dc-468dcb219305@suszko.eu> <20200508113438.00006adc@seibercom.net> <20200508185327.00007397@seibercom.net> <20200509063222.94d762e9751a32c693d73d2f@sohara.org> <20200509062517.00002c46@seibercom.net> <20200509121604.b385c38e8ad5518c9a571ef2@sohara.org> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.4 (GTK+ 2.24.32; i686-w64-mingw32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; boundary="Sig_//Q4gI4KyTPT_=1f8z0Lou0D"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49K5dr2rmbz3CnY X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=seibercom.net header.s=google header.b=KQ0u7maw; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jerry@seibercom.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::742 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jerry@seibercom.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.24 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[seibercom.net:+]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.16)[ip: (0.02), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-0.33), asn: 15169(-0.43), country: US(-0.05)]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[250.225.109.174.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[seibercom.net:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[seibercom.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2.4.7.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.32 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 May 2020 12:11:29 -0000 --Sig_//Q4gI4KyTPT_=1f8z0Lou0D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 9 May 2020 12:16:04 +0100, Steve O'Hara-Smith commented: >On Sat, 9 May 2020 06:25:17 -0400 >Jerry wrote: > >> On Sat, 9 May 2020 06:32:22 +0100, Steve O'Hara-Smith commented: =20 >> >On Fri, 8 May 2020 18:53:27 -0400 >> >Jerry wrote: >> > =20 >> >> Both "Zoom" and "MS Teams" are working fine in my Win10 machine. I >> >> have never tried to get them to work on FreeBSD, and I have no >> >> idea why I would want to. I don't have a linux machine handy, >> >> although that is on my "to-do" list. Perhaps by the end of this >> >> summer. =20 >> > >> > One good reason for wanting them working on Linux or FreeBSD is not >> > owning a Windows machine. I don't, so if I wished to use either of >> > those tools it seems I would need to buy one or try and get it to >> > work on something else. =20 >>=20 >> You seem to be under some preconceived notion that your need to >> 'own' a Windows or other OS machine. You could run the >> application(s) in a VM. It is becoming ubiquitous from what I have >> observed. =20 > > I still need to own a Windows license to do that - I do not. I need a license to operate a motor vehicle. I have a choice; get a license and drive my vehicle, or don't secure a license and then find other modes of transportation. I cannot carry a gun (in most states) without a license. There are literally hundreds of examples of where there is a prerequisite require. Think about it. Doctors, lawyers, all need to secure a license before they can work in their field. Your complaint is invalid. It is a personal choice that you are freely making. >> I am so sick and tired of a bunch of "Whiney Wieners" crying about >> standards. =20 > > Standards are important, without standards there would be no >internet. Wrong, without the freedom to innovate, there would have been no Internet. Heck, there probably would have been no personal computing to begin with. My wife works with a organization that has recently started using 'Zoom". As a municipal employee, I use what ever protocol they choose to use. Since the pandemic, they have chosen to use "MS Teams." I get a link and attend the meeting. No muss, no fuss, and no expense on my part. Attendance at these meetings has grown since this video conferencing was instituted. I hope they continue the practice after this pandemic crap is gone. By the way, I have never met any open-source enthusiast who had any qualms regarding pilfering software sans payment and using it for their own use. Face it, you feel that "everyone" owes you. On the other end of the spectrum, I have never had a problem paying for a product or service as long as it met my needs and specifications. If it fails to live up to those requirements, I either don't purchase or use it, as conditions dictate. No one is 'forcing' you to use anything. It is not the world's job to conform to your standards, but rather for you to conform to its. You can light a candle or curse the darkness. It is your choice. As I am always told, "patches welcome". --=20 Jerry --Sig_//Q4gI4KyTPT_=1f8z0Lou0D Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEIQb/tTwl6I1ueEVtOHMGOIfexWQFAl62neYACgkQOHMGOIfe xWTGYwf/YAjxaVbv3ZtCvlPj7MnxcWopxPNc4PEKYKkRuBf97Zv9wD0Hv0oPpvmm 1HQUfBwlDxsZc1O454mpr+oEpYSohJAi+4bjkNsJSmuYAdHA7r2QAK078cQrf3MY qEOmS3uXCPUX6fatz8OGl6NBQWrOmjk12pkKkaJVYIoZVxP4dDmJf1A2RsbEIGuO a4CjcYTSPtRCAfSAVYDOR93wPBjqd/ObYcI5eAyT6zxqQaYaOjkSmKbDzIqBWxJZ vFcEmkaT40BGOn+9mRRI8mSf5BzeARFCYd+vRY3vLzMLIavYs8skzsyurYu3mS3l boAQet5R/wS38cXROY83q1o3BuR71g== =zYTW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_//Q4gI4KyTPT_=1f8z0Lou0D--