From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Wed Jul 4 15:46:59 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FB091043817 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2018 15:46:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ian@freebsd.org) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B07D5834A0 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2018 15:46:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ian@freebsd.org) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 6F5BD104380B; Wed, 4 Jul 2018 15:46:58 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DBF1104380A for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2018 15:46:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ian@freebsd.org) Received: from pmta2.delivery6.ore.mailhop.org (pmta2.delivery6.ore.mailhop.org [54.200.129.228]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DFEE78349E for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2018 15:46:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ian@freebsd.org) X-MHO-RoutePath: aGlwcGll X-MHO-User: 38197114-7f9f-11e8-b829-b3adae557cda X-Report-Abuse-To: https://support.duocircle.com/support/solutions/articles/5000540958-duocircle-standard-smtp-abuse-information X-Originating-IP: 67.177.211.60 X-Mail-Handler: DuoCircle Outbound SMTP Received: from ilsoft.org (unknown [67.177.211.60]) by outbound2.ore.mailhop.org (Halon) with ESMTPSA id 38197114-7f9f-11e8-b829-b3adae557cda; Wed, 04 Jul 2018 15:30:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rev (rev [172.22.42.240]) by ilsoft.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id w64FUiJX021584; Wed, 4 Jul 2018 09:30:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ian@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <1530718244.24573.153.camel@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: xstr, mkstr From: Ian Lepore To: "Rodney W. Grimes" , Warner Losh Cc: "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" , Poul-Henning Kamp , Bryan Drewery , Eitan Adler Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2018 09:30:44 -0600 In-Reply-To: <201807041449.w64EnMiI043329@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> References: <201807041449.w64EnMiI043329@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ASCII" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.18.5.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2018 15:46:59 -0000 On Wed, 2018-07-04 at 07:49 -0700, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > > On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 8:25 AM, Rodney W. Grimes < > > freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > But, as I said early, lets just shelf all this "lets remove this or > > > that cause of foo" until package base is done, and then a group of > > > people should create a documented critiria list of what should or > > > should not be in the base system, and do a tree wide sweep rather > > > than have 100+ threads over the next 5 years about this or that. > > > > > It does tie into the deprecation stuff too. > Then shall this be tabled until that is finished please? > > > > > xstr, at least, needs major work to support modern C dialects. It's not > > just old, it's also broken. A quick stroll through the code shows this. It > > should go because it's not worth taking with us to pkg base. > So add "Old", "Broken" to the list of critera and lets move on? > Cost of taking this to pkg base should be 0, cost of this > conversation is already >>> 0. Packaged base has nothing to do with this. The cost of keeping this code isn't a few bytes of disk space for the binary, it's the burden of having unused code that doesn't even work in the source tree. If you don't see that as a burden, then this conversation is going to keep going nowhere useful, as it has been doing for a couple days now. -- Ian