From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 18 19:05:08 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FB2916A418 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 19:05:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FC5413C461 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 19:05:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l9IJ2qKx057291; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 15:02:52 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id l9IJ2pkH057290; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 15:02:51 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 15:02:51 -0400 From: Jerry McAllister To: Giorgos Keramidas Message-ID: <20071018190251.GA57252@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <20071017133352.GE67677@pcjas.obspm.fr> <47161B5D.9050002@pacific.net.sg> <20071017165423.G89276@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <13413b8f0710170920t5e5a03f9tcd703e6239db0296@mail.gmail.com> <20071017192628.GA1238@kobe.laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071017192628.GA1238@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Gueven Bay Subject: Re: Why 7.0 is so late ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 19:05:08 -0000 On Wed, Oct 17, 2007 at 10:26:28PM +0300, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On 2007-10-17 18:20, Gueven Bay wrote: > >2007/10/17, Wojciech Puchar : > >>> while companies like Microsoft must publish in time to make the > >>> share holders > >> > >> not to mention that microsoft regularly has delays like year. > >> > >>> happy, FreeBSD can afford to wait until the programmers are > >>> convinced that their work is good enough for the public. > > > > Please, > > stop mentioning this company in every discussion that "seems" to > > "attack" *BSD in some way. > > That's not a bad suggestion, in fact. The development process of > Microsoft is not open to the world (like the one used by the FreeBSD > Project as a team), so there is no easy way to determine how similar > or different processes are behind the development and release process > of the two development teams. > > Educated guesses can always be made, but let's try not to compare apples > to oranges too much :) > > > Discussing M. - especially their development processes or business > > tactics - does not accomplish anything for us. > > True, in a way. > > > First acknowledge that FBSD 7 is late. The estimate was for 5 months > > ago. And if I say to someone I want to meet him at 8 o'clock but > > arrive 78 hours later, then I am late. Period. > > The release of 7.0-RELEASE *is* late. There are various reasons why > this has happened, but we are steadily getting there. We now have a > RELENG_7 branch, and things are only "merged from current" after > explicit approval by the release-engineering team. The branch is in the > hands of the RE team, and many issues which were plaguing "HEAD" during > the summer have been fixed now. > > > So, but the original question was : What is not working _now_ at this > > moment so that 7 cannot be released _now_ ? > > > > The original question was not (I repeat NOT): Which international > > conspiracy is holding up the developers of FreeBSD 7 from releasing? > > Without discussing M. or the Illuminati and U.F.O.s and with that > > guaranteeing that the original question will never be answered you can > > concentrate on answering OR you can take your "finger" from the reply > > button/menue point/whatever and wait that maybe a developer will read > > the original posters mail and answer it. > > > > With a curious eye waiting for a real answer to the original question... > > Traditionally, "BSD" has released stuff "when it was ready" and not when > some marketting team decided that they wanted to release. The FreeBSD > team has made genuine efforts towards changing this to a more timely > release schedule (18 months for a new "major" release), but there have > been some important bits of kernel and userland which were a bit > unstable and/or were in development until now. > > Without treading on the feet of the release-engineering team, by writing > stuff which they have not approved, let me just say that we have made a > lot of positive progress towards a release since last June/July and we > expect getting a release during the last remaining months of 2007. > > There's still a lot of work to do (i.e. ports to be compiled, tested, > fixed, or marked as "BROKEN" with the new gcc 4.X compiler suite), but > we're getting there. Thanks for the update. It helps. ////jerry > > - Giorgos > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"