From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Sat Aug 25 09:06:33 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 099C41083713 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2018 09:06:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sh+freebsd-current@codevoid.de) Received: from mail.codevoid.de (codevoid.de [176.9.40.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E17690002 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2018 09:06:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sh+freebsd-current@codevoid.de) Received: from localhost (HSI-KBW-109-193-103-113.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de [109.193.103.113]) by mail.codevoid.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7A8721D59B for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2018 11:06:24 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 11:06:23 +0200 From: Stefan Hagen To: FreeBSD current Subject: Re: drm / drm2 removal in 12 Message-ID: <20180825090623.GA1342@ptrace.hagen.corp> References: <20180824215302.ivfna55jtrtc5trg@freebsd480.station> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Precedence: first-class Priority: normal X-Editor: VIM - Vi IMproved 8.1 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 12.0-ALPHA2 amd64 X-Mailer: Mutt 1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-PGP-Fingerprint: CBD3 C468 64B4 6517 E8FB B90F B6BC 2EC5 52BE 43BA OpenPGP: id=52BE43BA; =?utf-8?B?dXJsPWh0dHBzOi8v?= =?utf-8?B?Y29kZXZvaWQuZGUvP+KYuj1ncGc7?= preference=sign; X-Jabber: sh@codevoid.de User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 09:06:33 -0000 blubee blubeeme wrote: > On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 7:43 AM Kris Moore wrote: >> I've been personally using the new DRM bits since almost day one. I >> haven't found it to be unstable in the slightest. Compared to not >> having it and being forced to run 5+ year old hardware, it's been a >> huge blessing for those of us who care about running FreeBSD as a >> modern desktop / laptop. >> >> FreeBSD being an open source project, you are welcome to contribute >> back your work anytime. But since I don't imagine we'll see that >> patch coming anytime soon, I'll stick with this new LinuxKPI-powered, >> Plasma-desktop running awesomeness. >> >> (Written from my brand new Lenovo P71 which worked flawlessly out of >> box) > > Please tell me more about you're modern hardware, Kris Vice President > of Engineering at iXsystems. > > Try asking a person who doesn't run server infrastructure software and > hardware to get that stuff up and running, would you? Do you want to ask me? I'm mostly a private individual and linux/debian user that got fed up with the Linux fragmentation and direction of development (from a user perspective). I found my new home in FreeBSD. I migrated my (hobby) root server and have a few jails up and running and doing random stuff on them for myself and friends. Key to this was that I was able to get FreeBSD up and running on my Laptop - with the drm-next kmod - and use it daily to get used to it and learn about it. Actually it was a pain in the ass because back then I had to learn how to make -current run and even worse, I had to use the drm-next graphics branch from a github repository which wasn't even on the main FreeBSD account. I was forced to update the kernel every once in a while because the pkg update would complain otherwise. It frequently broke and I had to deal with it and learn how to recover it. The alternative would have been to go back to Linux, which has a whole lot more to complain about. So I stayed. And I'm happy with it. I accepted all this trouble to have decent graphics support. In all the time I had to fight -current issues a lot more than anything drm/graphics related. This stuff was always stable for me. I saw a few people trying out FreeBSD. And the first thing after the Installation is always: Graphics and Wifi. That's what people need. These are "desktop needs", where supporting new hardware fast is more important than being rock stable and feature complete. Just my 2 cents, Stefan -- Stefan Hagen Mail: sh@codevoid.de | encryption key in header. gopher://codevoid.de | https://codevoid.de