From owner-freebsd-smp Mon Jan 27 0:12:54 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4C4F37B401 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 00:12:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [216.240.41.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5821B43F18 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 00:12:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by apollo.backplane.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0R8Cm0i072291; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 00:12:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0R8Cl8g072290; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 00:12:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 00:12:47 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <200301270812.h0R8Cl8g072290@apollo.backplane.com> To: Dale Woolridge Cc: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Over heating of the ABit BP6 motherboard References: <20030115141300.S45542-100000@x12.dk> <20030115164141.GG1524@woolridge.ca> Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org : as the reported EC10 cap problem. As far as I know, simply replacing : the 1000uF/10v caps with non-Jackcon ones is sufficient. As per reports, : I'll replace EC10 with a 1500uF/6.3v cap. I'll send out another note once : my changes are complete (reporting success/failure). : : Regarding the VP6 cap problem, some people have replaced their own caps : with caps of the same uF/v rating. Others, who have gone the RMA route : with the VP6, had their caps replaced with altogether different ones, : although I can't recall the uF/v rating on the new caps. :-- :-Dale Has anyone measured the voltage across those caps? If they are electrolytic it's generally a good idea to put a significantly higher voltage rating in verses the nominal voltage across the cap (they'll last a lot longer). I am somewhat worried that the original caps were 10v rated and you are replacing them with 6.3v rated. -Matt Matthew Dillon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Mon Jan 27 6:35:18 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CBF237B401 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 06:35:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from woolridge.ca (ip30-166.tor.istop.com [66.11.166.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3D52D43E4A for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 06:35:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dale-list-freebsd-smp-3@woolridge.org) Received: (qmail 9810 invoked by uid 1000); 27 Jan 2003 14:35:15 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 09:35:15 -0500 From: Dale Woolridge To: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Over heating of the ABit BP6 motherboard Message-ID: <20030127143515.GA7467@woolridge.ca> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20030115141300.S45542-100000@x12.dk> <20030115164141.GG1524@woolridge.ca> <200301270812.h0R8Cl8g072290@apollo.backplane.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200301270812.h0R8Cl8g072290@apollo.backplane.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 27-Jan-2003 00:12 Matthew Dillon wrote: | : as the reported EC10 cap problem. As far as I know, simply replacing | : the 1000uF/10v caps with non-Jackcon ones is sufficient. As per reports, | : I'll replace EC10 with a 1500uF/6.3v cap. I'll send out another note once | | Has anyone measured the voltage across those caps? If they are | electrolytic it's generally a good idea to put a significantly | higher voltage rating in verses the nominal voltage across the cap | (they'll last a lot longer). I am somewhat worried that the original | caps were 10v rated and you are replacing them with 6.3v rated. Sorry if I wasn't clear. I did two sets of cap replacements: the first was replacing the 1000uF/10v caps in EC{18..25} with identically rated, non-Jackcon caps; the second was replacing the single 100uF/10v cap in EC10 with a 1500uF/6.3v one. The first I did because one of my originals popped and the rest were looking suspiciously like problematic caps in my VP6. The second I did as recommended in several places, one of which quotes Abit UK thusly: "...all that is required is to replace the EC10 capacitor with one, value 1500uF/6.3v." So, yes, EC10 is replaced with a 6.3v, but it's the recommended fix and the original cap is the wrong one anyway. -- -Dale To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Mon Jan 27 12:54:38 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E65EE37B401 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:54:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from exchange.drba.net (exchange.drba.net [167.21.195.67]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5B8043F13 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:54:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jimley@kopavogur.is) Received: from dokeda.lt (200-171-5-151.dsl.telesp.net.br [200.171.5.151]) by exchange.drba.net with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id D36LQTTC; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 15:33:50 -0500 Message-ID: <00000ce1363d$0000480c$00004f1d@mh.to> To: Cc: , , , , , , , , , , From: "Dan Potter" Subject: Engagement31011 Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:42:45 -2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org BUY NASDAQ: MSGL (OTC BB) – Medical Technology Sector; MRI Scanning Software Systems Groundbreaking Upgrade Allows 10X more Resolution, at 10% of the cost of a new machine; Proven existing market of $1.3B for this product. 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The product is patented, FDA approved and currently just beginning to be implemented at many major institutions. The software allows for MRI resolutions of up to 1.3 Tesla’s compared to existing clarity of 0.5 Tesla’s. Investors who are still making money in the stock market are those who know what stocks are in play or stocks about to be promoted/syndicated. By now you probably realize that stocks don’t just go up but are pushed up by brokerage firms that give companies exposure and analyst coverage – they promote them! To make money, an investor needs to buy at the beginning of the PUSH and sell within a 60-day period. We report on which stocks are being pushed and at what price levels to buy and sell at. Our current pick, OTCBB: MSGL is poised to move quickly with solid fundamentals, excellent news to be released continually over the next several weeks and a full-blown exposure campaign and promotion underway. Trading Symbol--------MSGL Exchange Listing------NASDAQ OTCBB Capital Structure-----Total Float/DTC 5.8m, of which 4.4 million are tightly held/friendly Recent High-----------$0.40 Recent Low------------$0.08 30-day Avg Volume-----40,000 30-day price target---$0.50 NASDAQ OTCBB: MSGL - Listed Medical Technology MRI Software Company MSGL – Developers of a Revolutionary MRI upgrade software package (currently being implemented in facilities across the U.S.) that produces images with up to 10X more clarity and resolution than standard MRI processing software at a fraction of the price. MSGL’s ground-breading SLICES software manipulates raw data matrices obtained through the MRI scanning process. Through the use of advanced calculations (MicroSignal's EXACT method), SLICES is able to produce images that boast up to 10 times more clarity and resolutions than standard MRI processing software. In addition to superior image quality, and because of the method of processing, SLICES™ is able to significantly reduce patient scan time and the need for patient call backs and rescanning. These factors also can contribute to a reduction in film consumption of up to 40%. At the end of 2002, there were approximately 10,500 MRI (magnetic resonance imaging) systems installed worldwide. While changes in medical reimbursement have slowed the sale of new MRI machines, and the ever-increasing demand for improved image quality and reduced patient scan time; thus there has been a tremendous need for products that can improve patient throughput and image quality. OTCBB: MSGL has solved this problem with its low cost software that upgrades existing installed MRI systems to the quality of a new machine at a savings of approximately $1.4 million per machine. The total estimated market for this system is in excess of $1.3B. NASDAQ OTCBB: MSGL is expected to capture approximately 40% of this market within 3 years, resulting in revenues of approximately $500 million, with a Net Margin of approximately 35%, or over $100 million in earnings. Other medical technology / software & system developers such as Baxter Medical NYSE: BAX – p/e of 20X; NASDAQ: NMMD, p/e of 31.4, NASDAQ: NMDC, p/e of 20X; an average of 24X current EPS, and 20X 1 yr forward expected earnings. In comparison to these valuations, NASDAQ OTCBB: MSGL, with its proven market for its product, sales on the books for the current quarter and a successful product launch already would be more fairly valued at 25X–to-30X forward earnings or $2.00 –to- $3.00 per share currently. For more information, see the company’s website: microsignalcorp.com/index2.htm ******************************************************* ***********************Disclaimer******************** Information within this email contains "forward looking statements" within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 and Section 21B of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. Any statements that express or involve discussions with respect to predictions, goals, expectations, beliefs, plans, projections, objectives, assumptions or future events or performance are not statements of historical fact and may be "forward looking statements." Forward looking statements are based on expectations, estimates and projections at the time the statements are made that involve a number of risks and uncertainties which could cause actual results or events to differ materially from those presently anticipated. Forward looking statements in this action may be identified through the use of words such as: "projects", "foresee", "expects", "estimates," "believes," "understands" "will," "anticipates," or that by statements indicating certain actions "may," "could," or "might" occur. All information provided within this email pertaining to investing, stocks, securities must be understood as information provided and not investment advice. Emerging Equity Alert advises all readers and subscribers to seek advice from a registered professional securities representative before deciding to trade in stocks featured within this email. None of the material within this report shall be construed as any kind of investment advice. In compliance with the Securities Act of 1933, Section 17(b), Emerging Stock Alert discloses the receipt of 50,000 unrestricted shares of MSGL from a third party for the publication of this report. Be aware of an inherent conflict of interest resulting from such compensation due to our intent to profit from the liquidation of these shares. Shares may be sold at any time, even after positive statements have been made regarding the above company. All factual information in this report was gathered from public sources, including but not limited to SEC filings, Company Press Releases, and Market Guide. Emerging Equity Alert believes this information to be reliable but can make no guarantee as to its accuracy or completeness. Use of the material within this email constitutes your acceptance of these terms. ****** Advertising Disclaimer ****** We are an internet advertising company and have received a monetary payment for this mailing service We hold no stocks and have no personal interest in this company whatsoever. We are simply being paid to perform a service. ****** Removal Instructions ****** This message has been sent to you in compliance with our strict anti-abuse regulations. 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Wed Jan 29 18:27:55 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4E4D37B401 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:27:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from canning.wemm.org (canning.wemm.org [192.203.228.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 651DE43F79 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:27:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from wemm.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by canning.wemm.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1872F2A89E; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:27:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Matthew Dillon Cc: Dale Woolridge , freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Over heating of the ABit BP6 motherboard In-Reply-To: <200301270812.h0R8Cl8g072290@apollo.backplane.com> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:27:52 -0800 From: Peter Wemm Message-Id: <20030130022752.1872F2A89E@canning.wemm.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Matthew Dillon wrote: > : as the reported EC10 cap problem. As far as I know, simply replacing > : the 1000uF/10v caps with non-Jackcon ones is sufficient. As per reports , > : I'll replace EC10 with a 1500uF/6.3v cap. I'll send out another note on ce > : my changes are complete (reporting success/failure). > : > : Regarding the VP6 cap problem, some people have replaced their own caps > : with caps of the same uF/v rating. Others, who have gone the RMA route > : with the VP6, had their caps replaced with altogether different ones, > : although I can't recall the uF/v rating on the new caps. > :-- > :-Dale > > Has anyone measured the voltage across those caps? If they are > electrolytic it's generally a good idea to put a significantly > higher voltage rating in verses the nominal voltage across the cap > (they'll last a lot longer). I am somewhat worried that the original > caps were 10v rated and you are replacing them with 6.3v rated. The voltage spikes are the kicker, aren't they? In my research for the dead Apple Airport problem (caps swelling up), somebody reported that the spikes he was seeing were way above the nominal rating of the capacitor. Although the input is 12V, and the caps were rated at 16V, he ended up using 25V caps because of the spikes. I did the same on mine. I suspect I have the same problem on my 8 port switches at home. Two of the three have now had an exploded electrolytic capacitor and subsequently shorted out the external power wall transformer and killed it. Collecting up the bits of the capacitor and replacing it solved the problem, but I'm not sure if I want to keep losing the power supplies. Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm - peter@wemm.org; peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Wed Jan 29 18:46:32 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60EE737B401 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:46:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [216.240.41.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2C8A43F3F for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:46:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by apollo.backplane.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0U2kT0i084871; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:46:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0U2kTbJ084870; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:46:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:46:29 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <200301300246.h0U2kTbJ084870@apollo.backplane.com> To: Peter Wemm Cc: Dale Woolridge , freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Over heating of the ABit BP6 motherboard References: <20030130022752.1872F2A89E@canning.wemm.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org :The voltage spikes are the kicker, aren't they? In my research for the :dead Apple Airport problem (caps swelling up), somebody reported that the :spikes he was seeing were way above the nominal rating of the capacitor. :Although the input is 12V, and the caps were rated at 16V, he ended up using :25V caps because of the spikes. I did the same on mine. : :I suspect I have the same problem on my 8 port switches at home. Two of :the three have now had an exploded electrolytic capacitor and subsequently :shorted out the external power wall transformer and killed it. Collecting :up the bits of the capacitor and replacing it solved the problem, but :I'm not sure if I want to keep losing the power supplies. : :Cheers, :-Peter :-- :Peter Wemm - peter@wemm.org; peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com :"All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 It's most likely that the capacitors are simply being made from substandard materials with higher internal resistances. Sometimes you can get around that by specifying HF (high frequency) caps. Voltage spikes above the capacitor's rating (or even just near the capacitor's rating) tend to blow holes in the gap material, greatly reducing their life span, but won't necessarily make them melt down. e.g. a capacitor spec'd at the voltage it runs at might last 20 years. A capacitor spec'd at twice the voltage it runs at might last 40 years. Anything that blows out in less then 10 years is more likely to be workmanship/materials problem (unless it is consistently overvoltaged). The electrolyte dries out too quickly and/or inherently high internal resistances cause overheating in high frequency applications (such as switching power supplies). The manufacturer might have put in non-HF caps when he should have put in HF caps, etc. The sad thing is that most brick makers don't care. If the brick lasts 5 years they are happy campers. This is why a 20 year old T.V. might still work while a 10 year old computer might not. My old Amiga still works but I've had plenty of computers bought since then fail for all sorts of reasons. Substandard materials. Ah well. -Matt Matthew Dillon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Wed Jan 29 19: 0:16 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9224537B401 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 19:00:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from heron.mail.pas.earthlink.net (heron.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.189]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6098143F9B for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 19:00:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0224.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.198.224] helo=mindspring.com) by heron.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18e4vv-00045D-00; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 19:00:07 -0800 Message-ID: <3E3894E0.1388D52E@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:58:40 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Dillon Cc: Peter Wemm , Dale Woolridge , freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Over heating of the ABit BP6 motherboard References: <20030130022752.1872F2A89E@canning.wemm.org> <200301300246.h0U2kTbJ084870@apollo.backplane.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a44a997cf4209c93e17853f2c4868eb7363ca473d225a0f487350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Matthew Dillon wrote: > It's most likely that the capacitors are simply being made from > substandard materials with higher internal resistances. Sometimes you > can get around that by specifying HF (high frequency) caps. Voltage > spikes above the capacitor's rating (or even just near the capacitor's > rating) tend to blow holes in the gap material, greatly reducing their > life span, but won't necessarily make them melt down. If these are electrolytics, not tantalum, then they are polar. One thing we used to do for fun when I was a kid was run a lamp cord with an electrolytic on the end of it, and a power switch on the wall, and connect the things to 125VAC. The things blew with the sound and force of an M-80, much more energetic than your standard firecracker. This sounds like a "shaggy dog story", but it helped me out with a related problem. Later in life, we had a terminal room that wasn't on a line conditioner, at the second college I went to. Chances were good that a Televideo 910 or 915 would smoke at least once a week, and curiously, it always happened on the hour. The problem was that it was a college, and in order to sync all the institutional clocks, it had an hourly voltage spike that would cause the polar electrolytics to blow, letting out all the "secret smoke". It's very common, in my experience, that people having problems with Apple AirPorts or other tight tolerance equipment, are in a place with an institutional clock, with the hourly voltage spike. People putting equipment in an institutional setting really need to be aware of the possibility that there's something endemic to their power supplies that could easily cook their tight tolerance hardware. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Wed Jan 29 20:10:53 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FE3337B401 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 20:10:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from eagle.sharma-home.net (cpe-66-1-147-119.ca.sprintbbd.net [66.1.147.119]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D252D43F43 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 20:10:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from adsharma@eagle.sharma-home.net) Received: by eagle.sharma-home.net (Postfix, from userid 500) id 4CEB180D9; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 20:14:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 20:14:44 -0800 From: Arun Sharma To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Subject: SMP kernel panics on running a user level program Message-ID: <20030130041444.GA785@sharma-home.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=47531 The program is the mutex_d test from the new pthreads implementation. Agreed, the bug is triggered by code that's not in 5.0-RELEASE yet, but this could be used by a malicious user to crash a multi-user system running 5.0-RELEASE to cause denial of service. I have also privately cc'ed the KSE/pthread developers. -Arun To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Wed Jan 29 20:21:50 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E63D37B401 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 20:21:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [216.240.41.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0D5B43F75 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 20:21:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by apollo.backplane.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0U4Lm0i085209; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 20:21:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0U4Llcn085208; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 20:21:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 20:21:47 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <200301300421.h0U4Llcn085208@apollo.backplane.com> To: Terry Lambert Cc: Peter Wemm , Dale Woolridge , freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Over heating of the ABit BP6 motherboard References: <20030130022752.1872F2A89E@canning.wemm.org> <200301300246.h0U2kTbJ084870@apollo.backplane.com> <3E3894E0.1388D52E@mindspring.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org :If these are electrolytics, not tantalum, then they are polar. : :One thing we used to do for fun when I was a kid was run a lamp :cord with an electrolytic on the end of it, and a power switch :on the wall, and connect the things to 125VAC. The things blew :with the sound and force of an M-80, much more energetic than :your standard firecracker. :... :-- Terry Tantalum's are polarized too. If you connect them up backwards you get a nice little blue flash of an explosion. -Matt Matthew Dillon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Wed Jan 29 20:32:32 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAF5037B401 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 20:32:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from tinker.exit.com (tinker.exit.com [206.223.0.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 669F043F85 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 20:32:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from frank@exit.com) Received: from realtime.exit.com (realtime [206.223.0.5]) by tinker.exit.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0U4WFiv000407; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 20:32:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from frank@exit.com) Received: from realtime.exit.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by realtime.exit.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0U4WEi6024235; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 20:32:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from frank@realtime.exit.com) Received: (from frank@localhost) by realtime.exit.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0U4WEho024234; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 20:32:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from frank) From: Frank Mayhar Message-Id: <200301300432.h0U4WEho024234@realtime.exit.com> Subject: Re: Over heating of the ABit BP6 motherboard In-Reply-To: <200301300421.h0U4Llcn085208@apollo.backplane.com> To: Matthew Dillon Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 20:32:14 -0800 (PST) Cc: Terry Lambert , Peter Wemm , Dale Woolridge , freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: frank@exit.com X-Copyright0: Copyright 2002 Frank Mayhar. All Rights Reserved. X-Copyright1: Permission granted for electronic reproduction as Usenet News or email only. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL99b (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Matthew Dillon wrote: > Tantalum's are polarized too. If you connect them up backwards > you get a nice little blue flash of an explosion. This also happens if you subject them to far-out-of-spec overvoltage. A few weeks ago I accidentally used a 6V tantalum in a 24V circuit. Oopsie. :-) Woke both my wife and I up rather quickly when I subjected it to the "smoke" (or in this case, "bang!") test. -- Frank Mayhar frank@exit.com http://www.exit.com/ Exit Consulting http://www.gpsclock.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Thu Jan 30 13:48: 6 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC55037B401 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 13:48:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [216.240.41.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8494643F3F for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 13:48:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by apollo.backplane.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0ULm40i090130; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 13:48:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0ULm4uF090129; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 13:48:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 13:48:04 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <200301302148.h0ULm4uF090129@apollo.backplane.com> To: Dale Woolridge Cc: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Over heating of the ABit BP6 motherboard References: <20030115141300.S45542-100000@x12.dk> <20030115164141.GG1524@woolridge.ca> <200301270812.h0R8Cl8g072290@apollo.backplane.com> <20030127143515.GA7467@woolridge.ca> Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org :On 27-Jan-2003 00:12 Matthew Dillon wrote: :| : as the reported EC10 cap problem. As far as I know, simply replacing :| : the 1000uF/10v caps with non-Jackcon ones is sufficient. As per reports, :| : I'll replace EC10 with a 1500uF/6.3v cap. I'll send out another note once :| :| Has anyone measured the voltage across those caps? If they are :| electrolytic it's generally a good idea to put a significantly :| higher voltage rating in verses the nominal voltage across the cap :| (they'll last a lot longer). I am somewhat worried that the original :| caps were 10v rated and you are replacing them with 6.3v rated. : : Sorry if I wasn't clear. I did two sets of cap replacements: the first : was replacing the 1000uF/10v caps in EC{18..25} with identically rated, : non-Jackcon caps; the second was replacing the single 100uF/10v cap in : EC10 with a 1500uF/6.3v one. The first I did because one of my originals : popped and the rest were looking suspiciously like problematic caps in : my VP6. The second I did as recommended in several places, one of which : quotes Abit UK thusly: "...all that is required is to replace the EC10 : capacitor with one, value 1500uF/6.3v." So, yes, EC10 is replaced with : a 6.3v, but it's the recommended fix and the original cap is the wrong : one anyway. :-- :-Dale Yes, but what is the voltage measured across the cap when the machine is on? Measure both the AC and DC voltage if you can. If you have a multi-meter, that is. If not then, oh well. -Matt Matthew Dillon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Thu Jan 30 14:16:47 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6770F37B401 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 14:16:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.stonline.sk (mta-in1.stonline.sk [213.81.152.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C6C143F3F for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 14:16:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sk@dreamtime.net) Received: from IBMTHINKPAD (telecom-213-128-3.telecom.sk [213.81.128.3]) by smtp1.stonline.sk (STOnline ESMTP Server) with ESMTP id <0H9J003VTSHAS7@smtp1.stonline.sk> for freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 23:15:11 +0100 (MET) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 23:16:35 +0100 From: Stephen Karrington Subject: Freebsd Server farm In-reply-to: <200301302148.h0ULm4uF090129@apollo.backplane.com> To: 'Matthew Dillon' , 'Dale Woolridge' Cc: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <00be01c2c8ad$414232b0$228051d5@IBMTHINKPAD> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, We use freebsd OS for all of our existing servers. I need to buy some more. In the past, we have purchased components and had a computer place put them together for us. Consequently, we usually had hardware compatibility problems with freebsd which drives me crazy. Expecially the latest dual processor issue that seems to have not gotten resolved over the past few months in this forum. So our latest server is still a one chip instead of dual chip server. This time, I prefer not to have these problems! Instead of buying one fat big server, I would like to buy a bunch of thin ones. We need to split out certain functions among multiple servers. The following three items need to be spread over a few servers each. 1. Sending email. This is only about sending emails out using postfix. And dealing with bouncebacks. 2. http posts to our tracking server. This is for our C program that tracks everything. 3. Database backend - mysql. This is for storing data for our systems. Where many people access and use at once. Total number of boxes about 10. 4 for #1, 3 each for #2 and #3 above. Can someone who has experience in putting together a server farm and has done this before refer us to a place where we can get what we are looking for at a good price? We have our own rack, Cisco 24 port switch and can hook this right into it. To add extra capacity I would like to be able to purchase more of the same exact boxes in and plug them in. Server is located in Vienna, Virginia. Prefer to have the freebsd OS and libraries installed for us onto each server. We can provide the specs on configuration if needed. Thanks. Sincerely, Stephen Karrington Dreamtime.net Inc. http://www.dreamtime.net http://www.emailblaster.us Corporate Office 8 Corporate Park, Suite 125 Irvine, CA. 92606-5192 Voice - 877-203-9308 Dreamtime is your global choice for enterprise wide sales channel technology. Our niche is viral and email marketing services, leads generation and direct sales channel automation. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Thu Jan 30 14:24: 3 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0829237B401 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 14:24:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DF8B43F43 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 14:24:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@elischer.org) Received: from interjet.elischer.org (12-232-168-4.client.attbi.com[12.232.168.4]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53) with ESMTP id <20030130222401053003m519e>; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 22:24:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost.elischer.org [127.0.0.1]) by InterJet.elischer.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA37560; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 14:24:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 14:23:58 -0800 (PST) From: Julian Elischer To: Stephen Karrington Cc: "'Matthew Dillon'" , "'Dale Woolridge'" , freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Freebsd Server farm In-Reply-To: <00be01c2c8ad$414232b0$228051d5@IBMTHINKPAD> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 30 Jan 2003, Stephen Karrington wrote: > Hello, > > > Corporate Office > 8 Corporate Park, Suite 125 > Irvine, CA. 92606-5192 > > Voice - 877-203-9308 > > Dreamtime is your global choice for enterprise wide sales channel > technology. Our niche is viral and email marketing services, leads > generation and direct sales channel automation. uh, it that the official company line or just what you tell your friends? "viral marketting"? :-[ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Thu Jan 30 14:33:27 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6779037B401 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 14:33:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.fpsn.net (mail.fpsn.net [63.224.69.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0AF343F85 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 14:33:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cfaber@fpsn.net) Received: from fpsn.net (mirc-sucks@unixgr.com [63.224.69.60]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.fpsn.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0UMXBad098870; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 15:33:11 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3E39A80A.FACA62BE@fpsn.net> Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 15:32:42 -0700 From: Colin Faber Organization: fpsn.net, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Elischer Cc: "'Matthew Dillon'" , "'Dale Woolridge'" , freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Freebsd Server farm References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.25 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://groups.google.com/groups?q=dreamtime.net&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&selm=k27r9.32781%24m92.6248657%40news1.news.adelphia.net&rnum=1 Julian Elischer wrote: > > On Thu, 30 Jan 2003, Stephen Karrington wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > Corporate Office > > 8 Corporate Park, Suite 125 > > Irvine, CA. 92606-5192 > > > > Voice - 877-203-9308 > > > > Dreamtime is your global choice for enterprise wide sales channel > > technology. Our niche is viral and email marketing services, leads > > generation and direct sales channel automation. > > uh, it that the official company line or just what you tell your > friends? "viral marketting"? > :-[ > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message -- Colin Faber (303) 736-5160 fpsn.net, Inc. * Black holes are where God divided by zero. * -> SPAM TRAP ADDRESS - DO NOT EMAIL <- cfaber.signature@mysqlfaqs.com -> SPAM TRAP ADDRESS - DO NOT EMAIL <- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Thu Jan 30 15: 5:31 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BF2237B401 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 15:05:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.stonline.sk (mta-in1.stonline.sk [213.81.152.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA41143F3F for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 15:05:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sk@dreamtime.net) Received: from IBMTHINKPAD (telecom-213-128-3.telecom.sk [213.81.128.3]) by smtp1.stonline.sk (STOnline ESMTP Server) with ESMTP id <0H9J003G4UOFV8@smtp1.stonline.sk> for freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 00:02:41 +0100 (MET) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 00:04:05 +0100 From: Stephen Karrington Subject: RE: Freebsd Server farm In-reply-to: <3E39A80A.FACA62BE@fpsn.net> To: 'Colin Faber' , 'Julian Elischer' Cc: 'Matthew Dillon' , 'Dale Woolridge' , freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <00d401c2c8b3$e42534e0$228051d5@IBMTHINKPAD> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have no comment either. A bunch of hogwash and a waste of time. Sincerely, Stephen Karrington Dreamtime.net Inc. http://www.dreamtime.net http://www.emailblaster.us Corporate Office 8 Corporate Park, Suite 125 Irvine, CA. 92606-5192 Voice - 877-203-9308 Dreamtime is your global choice for enterprise wide sales channel technology. Our niche is viral and email marketing services, leads generation and direct sales channel automation. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG] On Behalf Of Colin Faber > Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 11:33 PM > To: Julian Elischer > Cc: 'Matthew Dillon'; 'Dale Woolridge'; freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Freebsd Server farm > > > > http://groups.google.com/groups?q=dreamtime.net&hl=en&lr=&ie=U TF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&selm=k27r9.32781%24m92.6248657%40news1.news.adelp hia.net&rnum=1 Julian Elischer wrote: > > On Thu, 30 Jan 2003, Stephen Karrington wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > Corporate Office > > 8 Corporate Park, Suite 125 > > Irvine, CA. 92606-5192 > > > > Voice - 877-203-9308 > > > > Dreamtime is your global choice for enterprise wide sales channel > > technology. Our niche is viral and email marketing services, leads > > generation and direct sales channel automation. > > uh, it that the official company line or just what you tell your > friends? "viral marketting"? > :-[ > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message -- Colin Faber (303) 736-5160 fpsn.net, Inc. * Black holes are where God divided by zero. * -> SPAM TRAP ADDRESS - DO NOT EMAIL <- cfaber.signature@mysqlfaqs.com -> SPAM TRAP ADDRESS - DO NOT EMAIL <- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Fri Jan 31 14:19:33 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C312237B401 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 14:19:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail16.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.216]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE91E43F3F for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 14:19:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 8918 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2003 22:19:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO server.baldwin.cx) ([216.27.160.63]) (envelope-sender ) by mail16.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 31 Jan 2003 22:19:39 -0000 Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (gw1.twc.weather.com [216.133.140.1]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0VMJSUT073232; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 17:19:29 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.2 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 17:19:34 -0500 (EST) From: John Baldwin To: John Baldwin Subject: RE: cvs commit: src/sys/i386/i386 mp_machdep.c Cc: smp@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 30-Jan-2003 John Baldwin wrote: > > On 30-Jan-2003 John Baldwin wrote: >> jhb 2003/01/30 08:38:17 PST >> >> Modified files: (Branch: RELENG_4) >> sys/i386/i386 mp_machdep.c >> Log: >> MFC: Basic support for Hyperthreading. This uses the values from cpuid to >> enmuerate logical CPUs. >> >> Requested heavily by: ps > > I highly recommend turning on machdep.cpu_idle_hlt for HTT boxes as it > provides a noticable performance improvement. I'm still testing some > other patches to rework the locking code in 4.x to make use of the pause > instruction and be more intelligent about spinning on locks in general. Well, the pause instruction does seem to be helping considerably. I'd like for people to test this patch on SMP machines running 4.x, not just Pentium 4's with HT but P3's, PPro's, etc. as well. http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/patches/htt.patch Thanks. -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Fri Jan 31 15:20:50 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E34137B401 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 15:20:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail1.acecape.com (mail1.acecape.com [66.114.74.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B32EA43FB1 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 15:20:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fran@natserv.net) Received: from p65-147.acedsl.com (p65-147.acedsl.com [66.114.65.147]) by mail1.acecape.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h0VNKdAg015974; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 18:20:40 -0500 Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 18:20:55 -0500 (EST) From: Francisco J Reyes To: Stephen Karrington Cc: "'Matthew Dillon'" , "'Dale Woolridge'" , Subject: Re: Freebsd Server farm In-Reply-To: <00be01c2c8ad$414232b0$228051d5@IBMTHINKPAD> Message-ID: <20030131181529.D10698-100000@zoraida.natserv.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 30 Jan 2003, Stephen Karrington wrote: > We use freebsd OS for all of our existing servers. I need to buy some > more. Check the list of hardware vendors at http://freebsd.org In particular you may want to take a look at http://www.terasolutions.com which was created by David Green one of the Co-Founders of FreeSD. http://www.terasolutions.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Fri Jan 31 20:47:39 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AF3C37B4E2; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 20:47:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from willow.he.net (willow.he.net [216.218.240.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C383543E4A; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 20:47:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pjwhite@electrongate.com) Received: from bigfoot.electrongate.com (MAX6-Port74.Downtown.INFOMAGIC.NET [63.229.95.174]) by willow.he.net (8.8.6/8.8.2) with ESMTP id UAA02345; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 20:47:27 -0800 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20030131214118.01feeae0@willow.he.net> X-Sender: pjwhite@willow.he.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 21:47:10 -0700 To: John Baldwin From: "Paul J. White" Subject: RE: cvs commit: src/sys/i386/i386 mp_machdep.c Cc: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I applied this patch to my 4.7 RELEASE system, running on a dual Pentium Pro (PR440FX) system, and, so far, so good. Output from dmesg available upon request. I run two instances of seti@home on this machine, and after it's had time to run for a while, I'll report back on any improvements in processing speed, or problems that might come up. Thanks, Paul White At 17:19 03-01-31 -0500, John Baldwin wrote: >On 30-Jan-2003 John Baldwin wrote: > > > > On 30-Jan-2003 John Baldwin wrote: > >> jhb 2003/01/30 08:38:17 PST > >> > >> Modified files: (Branch: RELENG_4) > >> sys/i386/i386 mp_machdep.c > >> Log: > >> MFC: Basic support for Hyperthreading. This uses the values from > cpuid to > >> enmuerate logical CPUs. > >> > >> Requested heavily by: ps > > > > I highly recommend turning on machdep.cpu_idle_hlt for HTT boxes as it > > provides a noticable performance improvement. I'm still testing some > > other patches to rework the locking code in 4.x to make use of the pause > > instruction and be more intelligent about spinning on locks in general. > >Well, the pause instruction does seem to be helping considerably. I'd >like for people to test this patch on SMP machines running 4.x, not just >Pentium 4's with HT but P3's, PPro's, etc. as well. > >http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/patches/htt.patch > >Thanks. > >-- > >John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ >"Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Sat Feb 1 17:58:38 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2480A37B41E for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 17:58:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from sam.on-net.net (mail.on-net.net [204.117.190.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76EA343F3F for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 17:58:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from admin@ON-NET.NET) Received: (from greg@localhost) by sam.on-net.net (8.11.3/8.11.6) id h121s6k23319 for freebsd-smp@freebsd.org; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 20:54:06 -0500 (EST) From: Greg Willman Message-Id: <200302020154.h121s6k23319@sam.on-net.net> Subject: subscribe To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 20:54:05 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Subscribe Regards, Greg Willman On-Net Services, Inc. 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