Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 00:20:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Hodge Podge <nicole@unixgirl.com> To: "F. Even" <freebsdlists@elitists.org> Cc: Michael VanLoon <MichaelV@EDIFECS.COM>, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, Marc Rassbach <marc@milestonerdl.com> Subject: Re: 3ware stuff not ready for heavy duty useage-followup Message-ID: <XFMail.010822002014.nicole@unixgirl.com> In-Reply-To: <04d901c12ad9$48adbce0$6601a8c0@elitists.org>
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On 22-Aug-01 F. Even wrote: > Until you have introduced one seperate/additional power supply into this > mess though, you can't discount it!!! Jeez. There have been other theories > tossed out, but damn, that is a LOT of devices in a tight power tolerance > there. ALSO...what kind of system is this? P4? AMD? Those both need MORE > POWER. It is not a "silly" suggestion. Can you imagine that YOU might be > wrong in immediately discounting every suggestion put forth?! IF YOU know > what it can and cannot be, then why did you bother to even post to this > discussion list? There must be no problem then, and if there is, you must > certainly know what it is then......and if that is the case, you should in > fact be able to fix it, right? Absolutly. However until I can test it.. Its just 1 Possibility. Also woudl you not agree that since it was stated that since one needs to have IDE's in teh same case as the MB that it woudl be a good idea for 3ware to do some tests with 8 drives to say.. Hey.. This is what you need if you are going to use our 8 port card? > > ...and that one manufacturer's link you posted earlier...note, it said "up > to" 13 drives. Case probably comes with none, or they probably tell you > that you need more power for that many. If you look at their other servers, > none of them are that anemically powered. I have seen the server. It is what is is it comes with all the drives. Yahoo and google use lots of them. May I also point to the 3ware Palisade device... A 1U box with 8 hard drives. READS "Has dual power supplies.. Only needs one.." Now I know that they are Not getting a 400watt super stable power supply into a 1U case... > ...and your comparison to 1 and 2U servers is not relevant, as most of them > won't have that many devices crammed into them, hence NOT needing that much > power. Yeah...I have a couple 1U rack mountable VA boxes, and they only > have I think 200W PS's....but, there is not that many devices being powered. > Common sense here. No one is not necessarily discounting that there COULD > BE other problems, but you seem to not want to investigate anything else > except the card. If you can whip together one of those magical > 300W/8+device SCSI machines to handle full-scale enterprise database access, > then do that I guess. Have fun. I made the comparison to point put that even 1U units with small power supplies often also have large CPU's and 2 -4 hard drives in them. Simple math. " but you seem to not want to investigate anything else" Hello? I seem to remember saying the exact opposite, but having more than 1 thing to test is wise won't you agree??? > ...oh please....the Galileo comparison is pathetic. Its late.. what do you expect War and Peace. Nicole > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Hodge Podge <nicole@unixgirl.com> > To: Marc Rassbach <marc@milestonerdl.com> > Cc: <freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG>; Michael VanLoon <MichaelV@EDIFECS.COM>; > Darryl Okahata <darrylo@soco.agilent.com> > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 1:31 AM > Subject: Re: 3ware stuff not ready for heavy duty useage-followup > > Yes however I will bet even money that if I put a seperate power supply on > every friggen drive and still have the same problem someones gonna say.. I > bet > one of Those supplys was bad.. Can folks try, just try to imagine that they > "could" be wrong and come up with some other reason? Do I honestly have to > Prove it wrong in some scientific way before you are willing to imagine some > other possibility? Jeeze. Some time I or someone else will have a chance to > test the theory, but for now that is all it is. One thoery. > > Did you read, really read, my last two posts on this? > > Nicole > Ok Now I am getting a little snide. It just feels like what galileo went > through. He was almost killed for beliving that the earth revolved around > the > sun in contrary with current belifes. ******* |\ __ /| (`\ ******* * * | o_o |__ ) ) * * * * // \\ * * * Nicole Harrington | AKA Hodge Podge * ----------------------(((---(((-------------------------------- nicole@unixgirl.com http://www.unixgirl.com/ webmistress@dangermouse.org http://www.dangermouse.org/ nicole@deviantimages.com http://www.deviantimages.com/ -- Powered By Coca-Cola and FreeBSD -- "The world is run by those who show up" -- The Best Place for Your Web Site - www.WebWeaver.net -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message
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