From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 15 14:07:39 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60CE137B401 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 14:07:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pa-plum1b-166.pit.adelphia.net (pa-plum1b-122.pit.adelphia.net [24.53.161.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A70343F3F for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 14:07:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from potentialtech.com (working [172.16.0.95]) h3FL7YJP017635; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 17:07:37 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Message-ID: <3E9C7495.2090401@potentialtech.com> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 17:07:33 -0400 From: Bill Moran User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20030301 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wayne Pascoe References: <20030415192000.GA11033@marvin.penguinpowered.org.uk> <20030415205020.GA39014@keyslapper.org> <20030415211401.GA11799@marvin.penguinpowered.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <20030415211401.GA11799@marvin.penguinpowered.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: John X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 21:07:39 -0000 Wayne Pascoe wrote: > On Tue, Apr 15, 2003 at 04:50:21PM -0400, Louis LeBlanc wrote: > >>This is really an underhanded way to 'prevent' spam. Basically, >>Spamarrest requires you validate yourself to them before they'll allow >>your mail through to their customers. Of course, if you read their >>fine print, you're basically giving them permission to send you >>information about their service. Essentially, they wind up spamming >>you directly until you buy their service. They make no promises as to >>the privacy of your contact info, and they provide no easy way to be >>taken off their list. > > That was my take. And as they're not UK based, I'm not protected by the > data protection act and have no recourse. > > >>My opinion is that if someone wants me to get spammed so they don't >>have to, doesn't deserve any of my time anyway. > > Fully agreed! > >>There have been threads on this subject in a number of mailing lists, >>particularly the SpamAssassin list. The general consensus among the >>antispam community is that they are the wolf in sheeps clothing. > > Ok, so if they're a problem, shouldn't the list manager dump subscribers > to their service from this list? > > The purpose of this list is for FreeBSD users to support each other. > While I do ask a fair amount of questions, I'm also trying to answer > questions more. But if every post is going to result in spam, where is > people's incentive to support each other? > > This kind of behaviour is not good for the community IMHO... I agree that the continual reply constitutes spam. I'm also concerned about the privacy issues raised. However, this has outgrown the purpose of this list. The proper thing to do is for everyone who agrees with your viewpoint to mail postmaster@freebsd.org and make your request there. If anyone wants my opinion, I fully support blocking spamarrest until they can at least learn how to recognize and properly deal with a mailing list. -- Bill Moran Potential Technologies http://www.potentialtech.com