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Date:      Sun, 3 Dec 2017 16:15:36 -0700
From:      Adam Weinberger <adamw@adamw.org>
To:        Michelle Sullivan <michelle@sorbs.net>
Cc:        freebsd-ports@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Welcome flavors! portmaster now dead? synth?
Message-ID:  <6881393C-BCE0-4F3E-B5AA-FC2FF995628D@adamw.org>
In-Reply-To: <5A246D28.2020007@sorbs.net>
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> On 3 Dec, 2017, at 14:31, Michelle Sullivan <michelle@sorbs.net> =
wrote:
>=20
> Adam Weinberger wrote:
>>=20
>> You seem very angry about things breaking in HEAD, Baho. Things break =
in HEAD sometimes. This is why we recommend that end-users who can't =
have breakages, or users who depend on undeveloped tools, stay on the =
quarterly branch. Portmaster works perfectly on quarterly. Always has.
>>=20
>=20
> Quarterly is just a frozen HEAD with no/minute chances of security =
patches or other changes... why would you want to be there?  I couldn't =
even get someone to patch a security issue before the pkg_*->pkgng =
change..  was patched 4 days later despite having the patch in the bug =
before... and despite asking for the patch to be put in the quarterly =
they didn't either.  One continues to watch the exodus.

The MFH process was very complicated at first, and many committers =
didn't participate in it. Now it's largely automated and expected of all =
ports committers. The quarterly branches these days receive essentially =
all security fixes and most build fixes. As with all things FreeBSD, =
it's a best-effort process.

Quarterly is mostly static, and receives no unnecessary updates. It also =
receives no known breakages. That's the tradeoff between it and head.

We do the best we can, and if things get missed it's because we need =
more community involvement. If you can't handle the flux of HEAD, stay =
on quarterly. If you need the cutting-edge, use HEAD. As you noted, we =
are strained for resources to keep quarterly going; we simply don't have =
the ability to provide another in-between level.

# Adam


--=20
Adam Weinberger
adamw@adamw.org
https://www.adamw.org




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