From owner-freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Fri Oct 27 07:01:59 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F08FE5DD70 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2017 07:01:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gurenchan@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io0-x230.google.com (mail-io0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5538C7E7A7 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2017 07:01:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gurenchan@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io0-x230.google.com with SMTP id b186so10662754iof.8 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2017 00:01:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=3qcE3+nZkaaqvZq2AwOGd2ku2wL8X11VIQDLuNVETwM=; b=LtgaFeU4vreu/oLzOtbOHYCy0MpFI2Vb/AkjELuRPhGkyut33GeuxcmYK4ga2oXFqX HimviKobI8EmY03WCC5V9Iah0q3yQg0kgTahCV0QPTAmc324mNQ5tDDXeYF1PhXNZXlR aMinwvHe6MeAmQYaburGIPVtKimeVtaq1sCpHr0nit0eCstpQ1pLR+8HE99tV9B1BUiE eSGLoNyYvzhwpaZyK7um19Gh96VEQL79BAykTmAE83qxWx+OCZ19ymaEMnnGe4We62YS SmbifjuAT7Nvfw1kW/PJPesQDrKAVSVsw6AAmq6qo+zA1PfOA3T+jrGjUlie2me1NmL0 aIAw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=3qcE3+nZkaaqvZq2AwOGd2ku2wL8X11VIQDLuNVETwM=; b=kKq4tS9+g0zSanVFwL9DVm0m/PYOCebrHkPKvxInBCh8ztJJg7mzVfNxnlu9bySRF/ QFnm3ACX8HRaSs/WWPIx/yghIFPmvPVO4lpW/rBSGgKIFW5kePr6icostCwskecFdQrb J/FQg6Vz6ZPNMS5Y0b2IhspswmbRqmeo+Mb7L2pP2vgrPsHYhIXgkWWRNd2GviuBuydI vplq1rgkyyizPhZ6m/XsZdQPMpy3I3tCJRJP6uTj3bktEj8C33Utw82bOEI0anI9nRjS zdK4AhEjQg9Q4y2rwkUFGo3t7ANwvGr0HhE+MZgRZalF+CsyYpMsL6MI+R8d/S5+4XQ8 k7Kg== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaW+rqf8qa2a7UrADoEsfMFBK7rhcGuMpVKkr1gR+RXVT+5XW9M7 2lEPh69RMLv5MbqaiL0cScSuTtlT9Xkcqz66pRqJIA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABhQp+SHXauv8qs9xmPzvpkb+gHuvRR0GvGPgtR07ZLznKDE8RIVELf6RnomySrQnrZz10/ZnrTL2OcGP9T1a2v+2cg= X-Received: by 10.36.64.19 with SMTP id n19mr1747198ita.119.1509087718637; Fri, 27 Oct 2017 00:01:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.107.8.66 with HTTP; Fri, 27 Oct 2017 00:01:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20171027074622.2e3d7d4b@archlinux.localdomain> References: <20171027074622.2e3d7d4b@archlinux.localdomain> From: blubee blubeeme Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2017 15:01:58 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD multimedia To: Ralf Mardorf Cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2017 07:01:59 -0000 I played with Linux audio Ardour, seq24, zyn, yoshimi, amsynth and a few others first with just setting up jack on debian then i switched to that kxstudio that was decent but I just never liked KDE so I left it alone. The issue is I do like the way jack can setup connections between different programs but there was always the issue of running jack and other stuff. Towards the end I sorted it out a bit but it was just a pain to switch workflow; which I tend to do. I've already ported over amsynth but I want to test it and clean it up a bit before I try to submit it; I got yoshimi ported but w/o alsaengine since it relies HEAVILY on gnu stuff that *BSD doesn't have. I am also going to update zyn to 3.x and I'll be looking to port over Ardour as well. Since OSS is opened source again, I could write OSS backends for all of these projects and have them fit right in on FreeBSD, the issue is will I be able to run connections between them like with Jack on Linux? I guess the question is; can there be something like Jack but for Alsa or better yet OSS, since that's whats native on FreeBSD. Plus this talk really shows how Linux and android tied themselves up in a knot running too fast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oQF2TzCYtQ On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 1:46 PM, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-multimedia < freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org> wrote: > On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 10:13:14 +0800, blubee blubeeme wrote: > >For instance is it possible to use Alsa/OSS to control midi keyboards > >and link synths and DAW gether without Jack running? > > Hi, > > yesno, IOW it depends. > > MIDI usually is no issue at all, since many apps don't support Jack > MIDI at all, but instead ALSA MIDI only on Linux. I don't know what > those apps use on FreeBSD. > > Audio is tricky, consider to use an AIO solution, e.g. a DAW that > is an audio recorder and MIDI sequencer and allows to use synth plugins > as well as effect plugins. Ardour for instance can be used on Linux with > ALSA instead of Jack. > FreeBSD has got no ALSA, so I don't know if it would be possible to use > Ardour without Jack, too. > On Linux using Ardour with ALSA does not work with all professional > audio cards. > > However, I don't know what issues you experience with setting up Jack > on FreeBSD. I'm a Linux pro-audio user for good reasons. > You are aware that jack itself has got no GUI? Perhaps the issues are > caused by the GUI you use to handle Jack (e.g. restoring connections)? > Maybe the issues are caused by the FreeBSD infrastructure (e.g. > real-time related)? > > IOW what do you experience as a bit cumbersome and what makes you think > that without Jack you could get rid of those issues? > > A semi off-topic personal remark: > > Usually it's no problem to install FreeBSD and Linux on the same > machine. You might could get rid of annoying issues, when using Linux > for audio and MIDI work. > > Regards, > Ralf > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-multimedia > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-multimedia- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >