From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Oct 27 18:33:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA06722 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 18:33:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from o-o.org (o-o.org [207.252.201.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA06708 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 18:33:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from licia@o-o.org) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by o-o.org (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA08942; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 20:32:29 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 20:32:29 -0600 (CST) From: Licia To: Wes Peters cc: Drew Baxter , Greg Lehey , Terry Lambert , kkennawa@physics.adelaide.edu.au, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD certified software (was: WordPerfect 8 for Linux) In-Reply-To: <36367CE6.BFF12693@softweyr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 27 Oct 1998, Wes Peters wrote: > First let me say I'm glad this is taking off -- we're generating some > good ideas here. > I think the initial idea itself is a good one. It seems like an important first step towards encouraging and even validating applications developers who support or specialize in FreeBSD. > Licia wrote: > > > > Would the software have to pass quality tests? > > > > Would the logo/certification be available for > > software specifically designed to run native, > > without the emulators? > > I initially proposed two logos, but apparently nobody saw that message. > The two logo programs are "Designed for FreeBSD" and "Works with FreeBSD." > > The first, "Designed for FreeBSD," is for software that offers FreeBSD- > native ports. An excellent example of this is the version of Netscape > 4.5 I'm using right now. This would also be offered for hardware that > companies commit to supporting FreeBSD in almost any way, from developing > and release drivers themselves all the way to just offering development > hardware or even manuals to driver developers. Say for instance Mike > Smith wants to write a FreeBSD driver for a PCMCIA T1/E1 card. He calls > the card vendor, tells the person on the phone what he's doing, and this > person says "That's great! We can't do a driver ourselves, but we'll > send you our Windows driver source, all the internal documentation we > have, datasheets on the chips, and a card to use for 6 months." Mike > nominates this company for a "Designed for FreeBSD" logo, which is > awarded when his driver is ready to roll. (This is a cool idea, no?) > > An off-the-cuff example of hardware vendors we'd offer this to right > away would be Cyclades and Emerging Technologies. Whistle, too, of > An interesting thought, how will verification of such things be accomplished? For example, I'm developing a spam filter called Bouncer. It's a TCP daemon that stands on port 25, handling all connections, passing acceptable data through to any existing MTA (like sendmail) that supports a stdio smtp/esmtp mode. It offers several policy mechanisms for dealing with possible spam as well as ip/hostname banning for several places in the email header. I'm writing it specifically for use under FreeBSD. Right now the only available version is an early alpha binary.(fully functional, about 90% feature-complete) If I were to apply for this certification for Bouncer, what criteria would I need to meet? Would I need to provide source? Would I need to provide a fully configured system? Would I simply need to give you my word that it's there and that it works? What sort of procedure do you envision for certification of this type of situation? (if source is required, I could not submit it until Beta, as that is when I will release the source) > > The second, "Works with FreeBSD," is for software that runs on FreeBSD > under emulation, and/or hardware that is known to work well with FreeBSD. > Say, for instance, I've made several workstations with a particular > motherboard from XYZ Corp., and have found it easy to configure and use. > I write up a description of the system's I've built, which XYZ Corp > motherboard(s) I've used, and submit this to the "Works" page. It's > filed, and the company is awared the "Works" logo. > > Same deal for software under emulation. Linux apps, SCO apps, BSDI apps, > etc. A good example of this is the Acrobat Reader binary I have installed > on my workstation; it's a Linux binary installed with a port kit. Whoever > undertakes to do the testing would make notes on what is required to get > it to work, i.e. "needs Linux emulation pre-installed; at step 4 in the > included installation process, stop and 'brandelf /usr/local/bin/Xword'" > or something of the sort. If the person doing the testing wants to create > a 'port' that will install the product and offer it to the company, or > just post it on FreeBSD servers; so much the better. > Would this be extended to things such as dos applications useable via doscmd, windows applications useable in wine, and the various other emulators (such as amiga, mac, commodore 64, etc)? or would it require that the emulation be one of those included in a common base line installation? > > Would companies be allowed to use the certification in advertisements? > > I certainly hope they do! Ideally, we'd want them to put the logo on their > web pages for the branded product(s), pointing to the FreeBSD web pages > talking about the testing and support of the product. We'd also want them > to stick stickers on the box, or on the hardware itself. Yeah, I'd like to > see a little "Designed for FreeBSD" sticker on the back (or front!) of the > Whistle InterJet and Pluto SPACE Platform. > What would be the restrictions on such usage? > > Would related logos be available, to the effect of "We support the FreeBSD > > Certification Effort"? > > I think the above two pretty much cover it. We're calling more attention > to those who really work with us, and offering to do the testing, etc., > work for the "Works with" products. What sort of structure, organization, and procedures do you see as needed to bring this to a strong level of validity and professionalism? 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