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[174.109.225.250]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i23sm3869993qke.65.2020.05.09.08.42.08 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sat, 09 May 2020 08:42:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (hp-envy.seibercom.net [192.168.0.102]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 49KBJv1W2pz1Yh2 for ; Sat, 9 May 2020 11:42:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 9 May 2020 11:41:59 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft Teams for Linux Message-ID: <20200509114159.000012a9@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: References: <20200505093624.00001df2@seibercom.net> <223da1b3-a83d-b2e8-36dc-468dcb219305@suszko.eu> <20200508113438.00006adc@seibercom.net> <20200508185327.00007397@seibercom.net> <20200509063222.94d762e9751a32c693d73d2f@sohara.org> <20200509062517.00002c46@seibercom.net> <20200509121604.b385c38e8ad5518c9a571ef2@sohara.org> <20200509080448.00001ee8@seibercom.net> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.4 (GTK+ 2.24.32; i686-w64-mingw32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; boundary="Sig_/DhLIAgL02ub.TQyLyxJNtEF"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49KBJy2N8Qz40GV X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=seibercom.net header.s=google header.b=Cp1MHPBN; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jerry@seibercom.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::f34 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jerry@seibercom.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.12 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[seibercom.net:+]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-1.52)[ip: (-6.78), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-0.33), asn: 15169(-0.43), country: US(-0.05)]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[250.225.109.174.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[seibercom.net:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[seibercom.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[4.3.f.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.32 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 May 2020 15:42:12 -0000 --Sig_/DhLIAgL02ub.TQyLyxJNtEF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 9 May 2020 09:41:57 -0500, D'Arcy Cain commented: >Don't feed the troll. Don't feed the... Damn! I can't help myself. > >On 2020-05-09 07:11, Jerry wrote: >>> I still need to own a Windows license to do that - I do >>> not. =20 >>=20 >> I need a license to operate a motor vehicle. I have a choice; get a =20 > >How is that a choice? Were you around when your state was created and >did you agree to the rules? The rest of us were born into our >situation and there is no free choices available to us so we have to >follow the rules enforced by others with guns. You might even argue >that is makes for a good system but don't pretend that it is voluntary. No, were you? >> license and drive my vehicle, or don't secure a license and then find >> other modes of transportation. I cannot carry a gun (in most states) >> =20 > >Every other mode of transportation is regulated, even walking, so no >choices. That is a gross exaggeration, and funny. >> without a license. There are literally hundreds of examples of where >> there is a prerequisite require. Think about it. Doctors, lawyers, >> all need to secure a license before they can work in their field. =20 > >Forcing people to get permission from the state before doing what they >love is not the definition of choice. I have a coworker who I despise. I would relish the thought of doing to them what I use to do to insurgents while I was in the US Marines. Unfortunately, the government will not allow me to carry out my desires. However, I do actually have a choice. I can dispose of said coworker and then hope I am not caught. >> Your complaint is invalid. It is a personal choice that you are >> freely making. =20 > >That's like saying that I freely gave my money to the mugger who >threatened to kill me if I didn't. You DID have a choice. You chose the one of least resistance. >> By the way, I have never met any open-source enthusiast who had any >> qualms regarding pilfering software sans payment and using it for >> their =20 > >Then you never met me or most of my friends in the open source >community. It sounds like you are describing Windows users. I have >met many Windows users who either run stolen software or are happy to >share their non-free software with others. I don't even have to ask. >I am always being offered a free copy of Windows or Office. Yes, I have in years gone by, offered copies of some select software I owned to a few friends. Usually, it was out of necessity. I needed to motivate them. You can download a free copy of Windows anytime you want. I think it will work for 30 days before it requires a license. Office, as far as I remember, works the same way. I have not pilfered software in over two decades, so I really cannot say for sure. The "open-source" community is by definition a socialistic endeavor. Now, if you want to give me something for free or if I want to respond in kind, that is our right. However, I have NO RIGHT to expect anyone else to accept those terms or work sans payment. You sound like a true anarchist. You don't happen to be a cult leader or under the immediate influence of one, are you? What a great world we would have if there were no laws. We could kill, rape, plunder, steal and ravish as we felt like. Is this really the world you want? We have one poster screaming that we need "standards" and you proposing that we should abolish laws. Two diabolically opposed concepts. --=20 Jerry --Sig_/DhLIAgL02ub.TQyLyxJNtEF Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEIQb/tTwl6I1ueEVtOHMGOIfexWQFAl62z0cACgkQOHMGOIfe xWR2rQf+KG0A7fF2COQKZV3Tk4M4AsqRBY1rweKNF/+aOlwh56Rc0/dQLiR03XuN QwBkZt6cwkPphqT2dCcOMlwn9F5sRS5h59x/n9ncLx7Kb8uRzecDtPMfPLPXZEkt 2NY6hh9aP944Sg4Wqq8iSuX503B5lJIO977sx9grZal2V2O3ACa/JoR+VIMmdpV1 QTNw1zyEtcPtAT6X0qc/wmoVG7C9IzituTIV/XXb04jdXWpbubeiV6g2HKrPWb+c X61jl0MtBGwpX0wicBc+S+GgvqcG0o2JrcGs+5z05hmZfApNqsDCHtXwoy34y6Pr ibqw/A6KF7/Xmk9eU06S4t4fzhBsqA== =1jVQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/DhLIAgL02ub.TQyLyxJNtEF--