From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Tue Nov 28 22:11:23 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE5C1DF0508 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2017 22:11:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@johnea.net) Received: from mail.johnea.net (johnea.net [70.167.123.7]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A1BF37ACA3 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2017 22:11:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@johnea.net) Received: from [192.168.100.192] (w520.johnea.net [192.168.100.192]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.johnea.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 623425F2370B for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2017 14:11:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: The future of fortune(6) To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org References: <201711270546.vAR5k0xB004578@slippy.cwsent.com> From: freebsd@johnea.net Message-ID: <08dfabe4-0fb0-9158-5a39-b97b1fcaf69c@johnea.net> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 14:11:10 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <201711270546.vAR5k0xB004578@slippy.cwsent.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 22:11:23 -0000 On 2017-11-26 21:46, Cy Schubert wrote: > In message <307f8e8d0ad15d2d00e74a9b602c8c19@udns.ultimatedns.net>, "Chris H" writes: >> On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 09:11:43 -0800 "Cy Schubert" said >>> In message <20171126163259.6fb55366@gumby.homeunix.com>, RW via freebsd-hackers writes: >>>> On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 07:59:52 -0800 Cy Schubert wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Lastly. I'm not totally against games. My 4 and 5 year old grandkids >>>>> play games on game tablets. However I would never let my grandkids >>>>> even see what fortune spits out. Much of it was offensive. I would >>>>> have been ashamed had they seen some of the outputs. This statement is factually incorrect. It just is not the case. I've received fortune in email every morning for about 14 years. That's well over 5000 fortunes. I've never seen even vaguely offensive content. The default settings do not deliver patently offensive content, period. >>>> >>>> You have to try quite hard to find them, they aren't given by default, >>>> and: >>>> >>>> $ fortune -o >>>> No fortunes found >>>> in /usr/share/games/fortune:/usr/local/share/games/fortune. >>> ... >>> It's 2017. If Red Hat doesn't support fortune why should we? >> OK this is the 2nd time you've said that, and I'm afraid I'm going to have to >> respond. :) >> FreeBSD is *not* Red Hat, nor any other "flavor" of Linux. Who cares if some >> other flavor of OS does, or does not "do it". >> Sorry. I *greatly* appreciate that FreeBSD is /different/ than all the Linux >> flavors, and would dearly hate that it felt that it should feel/be "Linux lik >> e". >> Over sensitive? Perhaps. But I simply couldn't resist. >> >> I'm done now. :) > > Of course FreeBSD isn't a Linux distro however RH has probably learned that > contentious issues like this aren't worth the risk and exposure and the > cost of supporting such software. FreeBSD is a volunteer effort. > Unnecessary software still exacts a cost even in an environment like ours. > I have to agree with the negative reaction to the Red Hat comparison. Saying that FreeBSD obviously isn't linux doesn't address the concern over this comparison. If you think fortune is a flame war lightning rod, maybe you haven't heard of systemd? systemd is a Red Hat product. There are many different reasons for the controversy over systemd. One of them is that it removes the individuality of adopting distributions, making them more uniform. The corporation in charge of that uniformity being Red Hat. People don't like the elimination of fortune for the same reason they didn't like the politically-correct-ification of beastie: It makes the OS seem less like something made by individuals for individuals, and more like a polished, "risk and exposure" averse, corporate product. In a word, dehumanized. johnea