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([2607:fb90:8228:7e5f:ad64:b3cc:9642:9e75]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h10sm9274083pfj.89.2019.02.09.09.55.18 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 09 Feb 2019 09:55:19 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: nosh init system From: Enji Cooper X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (16C104) In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2019 09:55:17 -0800 Cc: Conrad Meyer , Sidju , "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Wojciech Puchar X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 824EE742CA X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=WMVOgpDo; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of yaneurabeya@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::62f as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=yaneurabeya@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.99 / 15.00]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.81)[-0.814,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; IP_SCORE(-2.67)[ip: (-8.85), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-2.45), asn: 15169(-1.95), country: US(-0.07)]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[f.2.6.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2019 17:55:23 -0000 On Feb 9, 2019, at 09:32, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> pid 2 and reap zombies. We're missing a half-decent service >> management system. On Linux, systemd performs both roles. On >> FreeBSD, init(8) serves one role, and rc(8) is a tiny subset of a real >> service management system like systemd. >=20 > systemd is overcomplex crap. And a reason many people migrated to FreeBSD f= rom linux. >=20 >>=20 >> (I think the piece we would consider replacing or supplementing would >> be rc(8). Part of that might be migrating some responsibilities from >> pid 1 to pid 2, such as spawning gettys. I don't hold strong opinions >> about that.) >=20 > this make sense but with spawning gettys left to init. >=20 >=20 > what do you want to improve in rc? starting services in parallel doesn't s= eem to be major problem to make i think. Starting and stopping services based on logical events and =E2=80=9Crun leve= ls=E2=80=9D, apart from what devd handles with hardware events is what comes= to mind for me. rc(8) is also incredibly fragile when it comes to starting or stopping servi= ces beyond first boot, or when dealing with =E2=80=9Coptional=E2=80=9D servi= ces, like nis/yp. I tried to clean this up a few years ago, but it=E2=80=99s= not close to my ideal design (it feels like a bubblegum and duct tape solu= tion). Cheers, -Enji > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"=