From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat May 9 15:43:59 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF2192ED858 for ; Sat, 9 May 2020 15:43:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic303-20.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic303-20.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [77.238.178.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49KBM34QGYz40Zk for ; Sat, 9 May 2020 15:43:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: AWHIbFYVM1n4uIurw.XLESYLYNnE0E2TUr6AFjtWnWr8y7Fq0tqiUEum7pG5ZoA TPNv5Js.tu_AQNLgtsuCcdxHb7AawZ4NOixdJQIhhE1ZuAldLmT5LBm8QrSwOMC34Ju5WRLyFx3O bR.isxMpqcZnkATV_aFXLzj5tFckG_8gGgws.kv3iGCzTScuNsADS7nFsWBVAGv3ojqe.jbez3bU IplFZzDsZYAFz7cJsoolLERWwH3zoqsa02aArXhH396s7LGzjQSrNytL3EN7Apa4YxuxFrn.N1AM dzp26ZFslB1vXup8JOBpKtwOmK.yGvbkAn3Lbsj7ZnPsegPT0SRXUYSX_4JWFXu5yR7SwsMPNdLc V56_B0VKrQQJfGYzeKaDGOh6Dxwo20RfyKmyf52Saqe.UJavf8ijzU.VPJblXII6zZV1_SopPPYr 6hWIzOfzkLKNvoinnT8Mh0M2g9e_uTxIeZ4lJmqU6RrG.8YmMmeONkOGHrXPkzhKH.MF_ezSBwJj d59MZrZZiq1_PiorLElI5uVJ6zJkiV5K_UlYL1hpQ6y5oCGH.NVBCfhELI279i2w8dyCudVn.Ud. 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Wine is nothing more >than a pseudo Windows environment. Hi, wine is as easy to use as virtualbox, but allows to access hardware in a way virtualbox doesn't allow it. I'm using https://sourceforge.net/projects/grfloorboard/ to edit my guitar synth. The last Linux version I tested was broken. I didn't test the current Linux and Windows version. However, the last Windows version I tested does run without issues in wine. Full access to MIDI IOs is needed. It might be possible to get this by one or the other virtual machine, but usually those machines require to set up extra software to share folders, extra software to even access the GUI etc., IOW it's way to complicated to install and maintain it, for those of us who are satisfied with virtualbox or wine. Maybe there even is a way to bridge hardware MIDI access for virtualbox, but even then, a VM consumes much space for even a "minimal" Windows install, then there's the need to use some Chinese service for activation ;), something that isn't needed when using wine, let alone that wine allows me to use different prefixes, so I could install different Windows versions at the same time, like we do when using FreeBSD or Linux. In Linux (should be the same in FreeBSD): [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ ls --classic -ld /opt/gr-55_floorboard* drwxr-xr-x root root 12 KB Tue Apr 28 08:35:37 2020 gr-55_floorboard drwxr-xr-x root root 12 KB Mon Apr 30 08:20:04 2018 gr-55_floorboard_obsolete_version_20180418 wine: [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ cat /usr/local/bin/gr-55_floorboard_2018-4_wine #!/bin/dash wine '/home/rocketmouse/.wine/drive_c/Program Files (x86)/GR-55FloorBoard/GR-55FloorBoard.exe' & exit [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ cat /usr/local/bin/gr-55_floorboard_2020-4_wine #!/bin/dash wine '/home/rocketmouse/.wine-gr-55-20200413/drive_c/Program Files (x86)/GR-55FloorBoard/GR-55FloorBoard.exe' & exit How could I install the 2018 and 2020 version of gr-55_floorboard at the same time, when using a Windows guest? Regards, Ralf PS: "--classic" is not some mystic Linux option for ls. I'm on lsd ;). [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ grep ls= .bashrc #alias ls='ls --color=auto' alias ls='lsd' The output of lsd requires special fonts.