From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Mon May 20 09:31:53 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F0FF15A7607 for ; Mon, 20 May 2019 09:31:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mozolevsky@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ot1-f43.google.com (mail-ot1-f43.google.com [209.85.210.43]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 280C86D989; Mon, 20 May 2019 09:31:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mozolevsky@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ot1-f43.google.com with SMTP id u11so12337209otq.7; Mon, 20 May 2019 02:31:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=81VVbUS0bRBf9mcxP1FIA3tvmB2TOltHq8waBXfooI8=; b=Vj6FiwcdUUFL8a+yuYoWuXdwa2f3BVanEA4VKYSkvWezNwWualHL/V/WVQcmxgzM9W YReGV4yNGZGd7+oS3EqXS60uj3ezSPB3eUohUvoyifTlIVYVb/66BJx+aZBYeouE2al7 0T+UE+a4/3rJvNQLxkzk//V82Ho4nxvYkIbqyjnBF2/fpDrZCuMuw2PTyFfETzdAzkDt hXOz6vSzXrPd9UoO3b3TGK+Em+2yzyp1fVjSh+cTFD9pHfIuS/1e6vzom1t8TM/pkIDm SKiovrvrpD91gAb1oLlzYFT3jJXHSDBgnpnzg8HoyzRAlwZxJI73/TAHaLvNA8EYEO2D C6+A== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXdS4Xae7NnlnRGLbEG4l4QSQDt00/cUIniJbOUeYlsnIaTg7Fz BZf7tqltdb3eTmqNs8Z6obrruLIUXzFy1jC11MH+sQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwKt2KhnxhUqRIrnRtVi4g+P194tecSdrCIGA/Aexcnh7jnM+pGNbJek6tPcI21qlt1QSq1XfmG8aW/r0k0yrc= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:7184:: with SMTP id o4mr44397887otj.65.1558344704886; Mon, 20 May 2019 02:31:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <868svf6r05.fsf@phe.ftfl.ca> <5D2765D5-BBC6-4D27-83F4-A9A8B2B4F4C5@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <5D2765D5-BBC6-4D27-83F4-A9A8B2B4F4C5@FreeBSD.org> From: Igor Mozolevsky Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 10:31:09 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD Core Team Response to Controversial Social Media Posts To: David Chisnall Cc: Warner Losh , Graham Perrin , FreeBSD Current Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 280C86D989 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of mozolevsky@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.43 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mozolevsky@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.17 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:209.85.128.0/17]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[hybrid-lab.co.uk]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.89)[-0.885,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[43.210.85.209.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; IP_SCORE(-1.28)[ip: (-0.56), ipnet: 209.85.128.0/17(-3.49), asn: 15169(-2.27), country: US(-0.06)]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[igor@hybrid-lab.co.uk,mozolevsky@gmail.com]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[43.210.85.209.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:209.85.128.0/17, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[igor@hybrid-lab.co.uk,mozolevsky@gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 09:31:53 -0000 On Mon, 20 May 2019 at 09:20, David Chisnall wrote: > > On 19 May 2019, at 20:43, Igor Mozolevsky wrote: > > > > the best > > explanation of democracy I have ever heard was: "two wolves and a > > sheep deciding what to have for dinner!" > > If you believe that this quote in any way supports your argument, then I = would suggest that you work through the game theoretic implications of this= structure. > > (Hint: if the sheep can abstain, the sheep is never eaten and even withou= t abstention the sheep isn=E2=80=99t going to be eaten today) Wow, what an art of arbitrary context switching! If anything, you demonstrate utter failure of understanding how the herd-rule^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hdemocracy works: "majority wins;" for some contrived reason you seem to think that *everyone* needs to have voted... On top of that, if you want people to hear you, quit making opaque assertions, and muster some brain cells to set out an argument... Regardless, you, too, are attempting to (rather badly) reframe the original problem and divert discussion, and the original problem was whether or not CoC should restrict freedom of expression. Do you have anything to say on *this* topic? --=20 Igor M.