From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 3 02:50:39 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FB8FFE7589 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2018 02:50:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3C3468E59 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2018 02:50:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id 882B8CB8D34; Sat, 2 Jun 2018 21:26:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 108.68.163.235 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Sat, 2 Jun 2018 21:26:39 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <52781.108.68.163.235.1527992799.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <20180603004634.5865434d@gumby.homeunix.com> References: <1527977770.2651378.1394286400.0806CC5C@webmail.messagingengine.com> <01EE7EEA-03AC-4D71-BA08-B0CEA97EE720@thehowies.com> <1527981931.2670335.1394316280.09410FC9@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20180603004634.5865434d@gumby.homeunix.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2018 21:26:39 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Is it normal that a user can take down the whole system by using too much memory? From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "RW" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2018 02:50:39 -0000 On Sat, June 2, 2018 6:46 pm, RW via freebsd-questions wrote: > On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 19:25:31 -0400 > Brennan Vincent wrote: > > >> I'm also curious, however, to learn more from an OS design >> perspective. Why isn't it possible for the kernel to realize it >> should kill `eatmem` rather than make the system unusable? > > I did something similar a few years ago, and the process was reliably > killed. Indeed you sound like saying, no, regular user putting the system on the knees by just grabbing all memory is not normal. And I would second that. I didn't do such test to FreeBSD (how thoughtless of me), but in the past when I was mostly Linux guy, I did that to Linux systems routinely. RedHat (and clones) as well as unpatched by anybody latest Linux kernel built with all default configuration were always consistently invoking OOM (Out Of Memory) killer, which consistently was killing the offender, even in presence of other processes possessing large junks of memory. Once I tried SUSE (ver 7), and its stock kernel was crashed by this little memory leak program I used for tests. I gave up on SUSE once and forever then. So, killing the offender is a must IMHO. However, on some systems before the offender gets killed the system may be on its knees for some time, and for how long mostly will depend on how sysadmin set it up. Say, if there is very large swap space, then until it is exhausted, the situation is not considered critical to kill some process. And the machine that is using swap a lot will effectively be thousands of times slower. Valeri > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 3 09:04:07 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B15AFD3432 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2018 09:04:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from info5@high-way.xyz) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62F3A7A026 for ; 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client certificate requested) by pb-smtp1.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D7475F010F for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2018 13:20:06 -0400 (EDT) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: James E Keenan Subject: Unable to kill processes using either Ctrl-C or 'kill' Message-ID: <9a7f62c4-80aa-7eea-91ec-6712612a0451@pobox.com> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2018 13:20:06 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Pobox-Relay-ID: 5C5A1D2E-6752-11E8-87C5-44CE1968708C-57062903!pb-smtp1.pobox.com X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2018 17:20:15 -0000 On a FreeBSD-11 host, I am unable to kill processes using either Ctrl-C or 'kill'. 1. The problem first became manifest when I was attempting to use Vagrant to download a Vagrant box from vagrantup.com. The box in question was a VirtualBox called 'generic/freebsd11'. I have successfully downloaded, installed and used this box several times already, so I anticipated no problems. ##### $ vagrant init generic/freebsd11 $ vagrant up --provision | tee vagrant-up-provision.log.20180603100900 Bringing machine 'default' up with 'virtualbox' provider... ==> default: Checking if box 'generic/freebsd11' is up to date... ==> default: Clearing any previously set forwarded ports... ==> default: Fixed port collision for 22 => 2222. Now on port 2202. ==> default: Clearing any previously set network interfaces... ==> default: Preparing network interfaces based on configuration... default: Adapter 1: nat ==> default: Forwarding ports... default: 22 (guest) => 2202 (host) (adapter 1) ==> default: Running 'pre-boot' VM customizations... ==> default: Booting VM... ==> default: Waiting for machine to boot. This may take a few minutes... default: SSH address: 127.0.0.1:2202 default: SSH username: vagrant default: SSH auth method: private key ##### Based on recent experience, I would have expected the "few minutes" to be 1 or 2 minutes at most and possibly be accompanied by "retrying" methods. However, at this point, the screen hung indefinitely. I tried Ctrl-C; that command was printed in my terminal but otherwise nothing happened. 2. I ssh-ed to the host in a fresh terminal and called ##### tail -f vagrant-up-provision.log.20180603100900 ##### That command displayed the output posted above and hung at the same point. This process also could not be killed by Ctrl-C. 3. I then ssh-ed to the host in a third terminal, called 'ps aux', and then tried to kill suspect processes with 'kill -9 '. Those processes were not, in fact, killed; their status was changed to 'T' -- "Marks a stopped process" according to 'man ps'. Some excerpts from 'ps auxwww': ##### vmuser 7169 0.0 0.1 81356 4444 0 T+ 14:09 0:01.99 /usr/local/bin/ruby24 /usr/local/bin/vagrant up --provision ... jkeenan 67787 0.0 0.0 6296 0 1 WW+ - 0:00.00 tail -f /home/vmuser/vagrant-images/generic-freebsd11-201806030939/vagrant-up-provision.log.20180603100900 ... jkeenan 74119 0.0 0.0 7064 0 2 WW+ - 0:00.00 /bin/sh /usr/bin/man ps ##### 4. I have now opened quite a few connections to the host. If I issue a command there such as 'man ps' or 'less' that entails paging, I can page through the output, but the process does not close by itself and does not respond to Ctrl-C. If I then try to kill that process from another terminal, the best that happens is that its status gets changed to 'WW+' -- "Marks an idle interrupt thread" and "The process is swapped out". Internet searches turn up links like this one, https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/cant-kill-process-in-the-stop-state.56319/, that suggest that there are certain processes that do not respond to 'kill' signals. That seems to be what's happening here. Can anyone suggest the cause of the problem? Short of requesting that the sysadmin shut down and reboot the system, is there anyway for a non-root user to solve this problem? Thank you very much. Jim Keenan From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 3 18:47:35 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CE16FEC406 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2018 18:47:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from duane@nofroth.com) Received: from mail-ua0-x229.google.com (mail-ua0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c08::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A382D7535D for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2018 18:47:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from duane@nofroth.com) Received: by mail-ua0-x229.google.com with SMTP id i2-v6so20640244uah.0 for ; Sun, 03 Jun 2018 11:47:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=nofroth.com; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=QTQ5iOgw28wEirm1ZdkNqtcfGAJghECfF2YtcVbZA9c=; b=gQxhslvpQHATJitOfrymhrIxX1FZN9zsIBv2hZAMm1k5Ow/8iEjj1yl0QPZbeWmFsr GLFWqv3vbpJj8JT/9DRYICv/Hit47XbxYojnWDHYrJN/aSPgeLh9ZiqdYnuZOXNinwJO 7kTUjFa0bZrXqnYyEd+jG7tuFXjePPh8dZWb7TBBWoaXe1DNsBaWV87CBthg8IyDLpss 572faiWjDx12ozDDV52w5sxN8/uqUqrSl2c5uVfNoE608TaZGpH3mXATYBeiZK0qY4hY CVUjMn6VfNOGh305+0gvkep5c9rT3hT/oS3/FLjKWW6afzamMqdL5BXaZZtW3oL4GfFa Q+GQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=QTQ5iOgw28wEirm1ZdkNqtcfGAJghECfF2YtcVbZA9c=; b=gREaKVkUesn4KyX+5Gr9/vkcRHlGkNYBA5fSdpd5vgUu1zeOMx27prGpPsq2eoOJJc kxSyj/BEPFDgZPzZIfPHKNl1bElJjlmYaYqECSK+DecslW1Aq412RQpFmFzT4vDyI91x 883vu6XxyQZ3nWXDqYwC+OE3NyPkYDXsEJEn+yXAV75inb4joYfmIr/C8Xt239JC4b3i iQ7xTu3Uov1PRsPjhdhy6BfLWufoFS/Jqzd4XomrMurDa9motEbcOKPYLdhi09QUokos +yLwZPtpuIBDfDV1TWrBx6APOL7r7dlVTUMqbCUYha399dy9ohi3Sod2Su4+h/SDAiEB URUA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALKqPwdOqmvdSgR0rHDfUHKFvc5bw+434GkLTvMZsqIGjsdP1sna1pH1 iZPel0RmqPfVWEu97ZIGNqzGbZ4os2Jgk61d/OUjVPKx X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKI5AnOkPkgbSSV79sLMW83kiNlUlmGv9YIaxBIReHBy22JYc0OMOU1wffegyuc+kfGfMmViJKGHxfVUmcxQ5H8= X-Received: by 2002:ab0:5232:: with SMTP id i47-v6mr12022958uaa.117.1528051653646; Sun, 03 Jun 2018 11:47:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a1f:a443:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Sun, 3 Jun 2018 11:47:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9a7f62c4-80aa-7eea-91ec-6712612a0451@pobox.com> References: <9a7f62c4-80aa-7eea-91ec-6712612a0451@pobox.com> From: Duane Whitty Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2018 14:47:33 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Unable to kill processes using either Ctrl-C or 'kill' To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.26 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2018 18:47:35 -0000 On Sun, Jun 3, 2018 at 1:20 PM, James E Keenan wrote: > On a FreeBSD-11 host, I am unable to kill processes using either Ctrl-C or > 'kill'. > > 1. The problem first became manifest when I was attempting to use Vagrant > to download a Vagrant box from vagrantup.com. The box in question was a > VirtualBox called 'generic/freebsd11'. I have successfully downloaded, > installed and used this box several times already, so I anticipated no > problems. > > ##### > $ vagrant init generic/freebsd11 > $ vagrant up --provision | tee vagrant-up-provision.log.20180603100900 > Bringing machine 'default' up with 'virtualbox' provider... > ==> default: Checking if box 'generic/freebsd11' is up to date... > ==> default: Clearing any previously set forwarded ports... > ==> default: Fixed port collision for 22 => 2222. Now on port 2202. > ==> default: Clearing any previously set network interfaces... > ==> default: Preparing network interfaces based on configuration... > default: Adapter 1: nat > ==> default: Forwarding ports... > default: 22 (guest) => 2202 (host) (adapter 1) > ==> default: Running 'pre-boot' VM customizations... > ==> default: Booting VM... > ==> default: Waiting for machine to boot. This may take a few minutes... > default: SSH address: 127.0.0.1:2202 > default: SSH username: vagrant > default: SSH auth method: private key > ##### > > Based on recent experience, I would have expected the "few minutes" to be > 1 or 2 minutes at most and possibly be accompanied by "retrying" methods. > > However, at this point, the screen hung indefinitely. I tried Ctrl-C; > that command was printed in my terminal but otherwise nothing happened. > > 2. I ssh-ed to the host in a fresh terminal and called > > ##### > tail -f vagrant-up-provision.log.20180603100900 > ##### > > That command displayed the output posted above and hung at the same > point. This process also could not be killed by Ctrl-C. > > 3. I then ssh-ed to the host in a third terminal, called 'ps aux', and > then tried to kill suspect processes with 'kill -9 '. Those processes > were not, in fact, killed; their status was changed to 'T' -- "Marks a > stopped process" according to 'man ps'. Some excerpts from 'ps auxwww': > > ##### > vmuser 7169 0.0 0.1 81356 4444 0 T+ 14:09 0:01.99 > /usr/local/bin/ruby24 /usr/local/bin/vagrant up --provision > ... > jkeenan 67787 0.0 0.0 6296 0 1 WW+ - 0:00.00 > tail -f /home/vmuser/vagrant-images/generic-freebsd11-201806030939/ > vagrant-up-provision.log.20180603100900 > ... > jkeenan 74119 0.0 0.0 7064 0 2 WW+ - 0:00.00 > /bin/sh /usr/bin/man ps > ##### > > 4. I have now opened quite a few connections to the host. If I issue a > command there such as 'man ps' or 'less' that entails paging, I can page > through the output, but the process does not close by itself and does not > respond to Ctrl-C. If I then try to kill that process from another > terminal, the best that happens is that its status gets changed to 'WW+' -- > "Marks an idle interrupt thread" and "The process is swapped out". > > Internet searches turn up links like this one, > https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/cant-kill-process-in-the- > stop-state.56319/, that suggest that there are certain processes that do > not respond to 'kill' signals. That seems to be what's happening here. > > Can anyone suggest the cause of the problem? > > Short of requesting that the sysadmin shut down and reboot the system, is > there anyway for a non-root user to solve this problem? > > Thank you very much. > Jim Keenan > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe > @freebsd.org" > Can you get added to sudoers? I realize that still implies a level of root access but I really don't know of any other way to kill processes which don't belong to you. I don't see why the sysadmin would need to reboot. -- Best Regards, Duane Duane Whitty duane@nofroth.com From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 3 19:03:53 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDB6DFEDE9E for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2018 19:03:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelsprivate@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qt0-x232.google.com (mail-qt0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7962B75D92 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2018 19:03:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelsprivate@gmail.com) Received: by mail-qt0-x232.google.com with SMTP id h5-v6so30222556qtm.13 for ; Sun, 03 Jun 2018 12:03:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Bu8MPbuog9N5+OQLrysm9qDHH+pVzAJeMkP0HaEfqLg=; b=b7seuneDdK+Wxp+DvwoWDq04DkOS2y/4rbxtgEvIYcnLTdxsuvDRJAAvthHz772Gdj 8TkqR0JfTuIgQOShmlwA3maJp2viMjDzWV8rZS+1oYTeW/qr/0I3fEOcQI9lJg/62pfy BDXZmEs7yZgpLMWBAt4oX5ZdMPBua/jOx+ZAYwv1JhR0kXEWyWDo68VOivpWwzs8GPpy 2q1H0/HIAIuNdOf9PFSgNncp4iK9e1J6VRlM+O2z0nhK2mwYtsmkVSW323pq98yd79SC Q3PaGCF0Mm6bPN3Eo0L5VPljFw+HeBXTFHY4IaNCnHOgkflebDg8lLjpB7PUr23Nw+FW E8eQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Bu8MPbuog9N5+OQLrysm9qDHH+pVzAJeMkP0HaEfqLg=; b=HgovfCm7PVq7vSSLQJdP6/HVkiP5HHIAz7HNfQumzV8/+vLrnm4BupA251SgMaYvER L1cCB/eiCrLxSHWciVn03rCyWR8XKr+XFOOCaR+N1mvtU+6zgplSEz6mg9EsVR4+WQzA +Mt3Bm7VD6crYWGZNAC6DrSLi1mvql2S/tme52tx1G6GVTTC/PF7ZKf2RtwTgrRsHb3O nUDbWxF+bCgDZM3zdiKi8h3y0fn9J6IHPGEI/yk+14HVceg+85QkDRdS/w87bXpyYhkI DfK0pItaUDji2Wznnx1eIoVbTRW6xsWU6NdCftqlxSxrfnUe9REGXSMnzN2+lsfIHhiR gKxA== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E1MRgbPfb+yNrmbX4K5UqvGfErqC6lFFIUJ3pV2UuOgQVh+qRjt R8LdCkv+cW63pNdO+z36wMeGskJSBYuBwO7m2DQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKIUapZJyNvEeef5Q6nrSX6ZY3x2ze4I+KSsMHxDfOg3iS+ND1tnBqc/i+sNwi1V4GONv2/uVZxmNbm2XYa4hi0= X-Received: by 2002:ac8:686:: with SMTP id f6-v6mr18870469qth.348.1528052631794; Sun, 03 Jun 2018 12:03:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a0c:f043:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Sun, 3 Jun 2018 12:03:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <9a7f62c4-80aa-7eea-91ec-6712612a0451@pobox.com> From: Michael Schuster Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2018 21:03:31 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Unable to kill processes using either Ctrl-C or 'kill' To: Duane Whitty Cc: freeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.26 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2018 19:03:53 -0000 On Sun, Jun 3, 2018 at 8:47 PM, Duane Whitty wrote: > On Sun, Jun 3, 2018 at 1:20 PM, James E Keenan wrote: > > > On a FreeBSD-11 host, I am unable to kill processes using either Ctrl-C > or > > 'kill'. > > > > 1. The problem first became manifest when I was attempting to use Vagrant > > to download a Vagrant box from vagrantup.com. The box in question was > a > > VirtualBox called 'generic/freebsd11'. I have successfully downloaded, > > installed and used this box several times already, so I anticipated no > > problems. > > > > ##### > > $ vagrant init generic/freebsd11 > > $ vagrant up --provision | tee vagrant-up-provision.log.20180603100900 > > Bringing machine 'default' up with 'virtualbox' provider... > > ==> default: Checking if box 'generic/freebsd11' is up to date... > > ==> default: Clearing any previously set forwarded ports... > > ==> default: Fixed port collision for 22 => 2222. Now on port 2202. > > ==> default: Clearing any previously set network interfaces... > > ==> default: Preparing network interfaces based on configuration... > > default: Adapter 1: nat > > ==> default: Forwarding ports... > > default: 22 (guest) => 2202 (host) (adapter 1) > > ==> default: Running 'pre-boot' VM customizations... > > ==> default: Booting VM... > > ==> default: Waiting for machine to boot. This may take a few minutes... > > default: SSH address: 127.0.0.1:2202 > > default: SSH username: vagrant > > default: SSH auth method: private key > > ##### > > > > Based on recent experience, I would have expected the "few minutes" to be > > 1 or 2 minutes at most and possibly be accompanied by "retrying" methods. > > > > However, at this point, the screen hung indefinitely. I tried Ctrl-C; > > that command was printed in my terminal but otherwise nothing happened. > > > > 2. I ssh-ed to the host in a fresh terminal and called > > > > ##### > > tail -f vagrant-up-provision.log.20180603100900 > > ##### > > > > That command displayed the output posted above and hung at the same > > point. This process also could not be killed by Ctrl-C. > > > > 3. I then ssh-ed to the host in a third terminal, called 'ps aux', and > > then tried to kill suspect processes with 'kill -9 '. Those > processes > > were not, in fact, killed; their status was changed to 'T' -- "Marks a > > stopped process" according to 'man ps'. Some excerpts from 'ps auxwww': > > > > ##### > > vmuser 7169 0.0 0.1 81356 4444 0 T+ 14:09 0:01.99 > > /usr/local/bin/ruby24 /usr/local/bin/vagrant up --provision > > ... > > jkeenan 67787 0.0 0.0 6296 0 1 WW+ - 0:00.00 > > tail -f /home/vmuser/vagrant-images/generic-freebsd11-201806030939/ > > vagrant-up-provision.log.20180603100900 > > ... > > jkeenan 74119 0.0 0.0 7064 0 2 WW+ - 0:00.00 > > /bin/sh /usr/bin/man ps > > ##### > > > > 4. I have now opened quite a few connections to the host. If I issue a > > command there such as 'man ps' or 'less' that entails paging, I can page > > through the output, but the process does not close by itself and does not > > respond to Ctrl-C. If I then try to kill that process from another > > terminal, the best that happens is that its status gets changed to 'WW+' > -- > > "Marks an idle interrupt thread" and "The process is swapped out". > > > > Internet searches turn up links like this one, > > https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/cant-kill-process-in-the- > > stop-state.56319/, that suggest that there are certain processes that do > > not respond to 'kill' signals. That seems to be what's happening here. > > > > Can anyone suggest the cause of the problem? > > > > Short of requesting that the sysadmin shut down and reboot the system, is > > there anyway for a non-root user to solve this problem? > > > > Thank you very much. > > Jim Keenan > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe > > @freebsd.org" > > > > > Can you get added to sudoers? I realize that still implies a level of root > access but I really don't know of any other way to kill processes which > don't belong to you. I don't see why the sysadmin would need to reboot. > most likely, being root or equivalent won't help in this case. If a processes owner cannot kill it (using -9, which cannot be caught) that implies that the process is hung in the kernel (signal delivery happens when a process leaves kernel context). regards Michael -- Michael Schuster http://recursiveramblings.wordpress.com/ recursion, n: see 'recursion' From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 3 19:09:31 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C4D6FEE80A for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2018 19:09:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.135]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AE36F76159 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2018 19:09:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.66.222]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue005 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0MJHCg-1fSISs1OJO-002sLp; Sun, 03 Jun 2018 21:09:16 +0200 Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2018 21:09:15 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Brennan Vincent Cc: John Howie , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is it normal that a user can take down the whole system by using too much memory? Message-Id: <20180603210915.7da21bf1.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <1527981931.2670335.1394316280.09410FC9@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1527977770.2651378.1394286400.0806CC5C@webmail.messagingengine.com> <01EE7EEA-03AC-4D71-BA08-B0CEA97EE720@thehowies.com> <1527981931.2670335.1394316280.09410FC9@webmail.messagingengine.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:JZpPsSwpZTbuofdwstclbHjLXrlzLsVPctQbt/rXOuZu3OTEVR1 5EdJOOR0rRvWrbHadOI4cq/vcJ7Biwxvjt/1y9ikSrZUXxNtz8lCJ9ZtqzbhgXN3mAYKf0q frnjMkvFTC0bIgxZUGOeHNcfefgq6A+rm2Rker8H4ZXw2Gw7+HpMxA1qaR3P38dwKRcx4Lj k5GAp0gprl9rchO3a4Aag== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:gzcLmH/7hOw=:Rcz/sPHRD1oT+DS1//iKra VFdLLTyJ9CNEjG0K2bLNaU6UQd6n3u/EF6pSv3RhOD6f3fpf63CSA/YZLxUzrxwxIm/tdS7ZB ocPqCjE/3obqo5/s/eydHPugctKWRqrRjMiutUs//xc/Y27FpRAqVyIrwxk6knOhCQSc0ZyuF YVOloPNMmSxBVP3bJXgCXQryONd9/JwSmFubqwZgEdQXy/5eDPG7vtcyOPzMMKBu+FvpFeElp OQxf6T8idKENpMraD/HMVX/EzkQd/b0RVO48cHqY0IcZbwIzI7m31uxxFQ2OGWVk1/c9JKKYI QnWXAx34wUJ05AJXJJ8UZiHL98BDVBcoSOjOlzAuOHtl1GrJTr++rcPyt5vUAvDyTsAoB4KlD sm3krLJrlW45fu/mKm/ijmiPXQoUJ2pVjbnbWZ1PktY4Ae0N59XG+DpZfMLCTXBx607VmE3Ap QVSyw8UTRxCbNZWpp731TXNI8RKBVlnq8HMoed25rWCueuh580kaOpZU+nNsXNqfq+CGRRxS4 Xrk0ru3LpyP641p7SdhA7QGelD40zhG4IKCTIzF00NZoq1bsGWA+r/clROTs810r+VHGFshsF 01CE2Icb7tbLXJEhJUVMcfriRPDTUuC0agej1KV3FQOFZVlTn7nSmqJESYrFw0NO9JUnMqbj6 mdEh9obF7sG+x12GGc3LBZHZOzFn7KroTkWflbpdIGjjt/SOdsyRxU4qi3muC5cRAFijMVj3l F1WEHE+Tx9BGseB5 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2018 19:09:31 -0000 On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 19:25:31 -0400, Brennan Vincent wrote: > I'm also curious, however, to learn more from an OS design perspective. > Why isn't it possible for the kernel to realize it should kill `eatmem` > rather than make the system unusable? > > Is this a hard problem in general, or just a missing feature in FreeBSD > specifically ? It's more about what the kernel's basic function is: to control the interactions of hardware and software. In case of "eatmem" or any other program that allocates memory, there _might_ be a totally valid and legitimate (!) reason for a problem program to do so. If physical RAM has been consumed, swap will be added. This is still within normal margins of system use. Just consider today's memory-intensive user applications like web browsers. At which threshold should the kernel say: "Okay, no more RAM for you, please go kill yourself, or I will do it in 60 seconds.", which is (more or less) what you seem to expect? Resource control mechanisms are present in FreeBSD, but it takes a system administrator with sufficient knowledge and experience to decide about the values that will apply - how much RAM can be consumed, how many child processes can be spawned, how many files can be held open... and so on. There just is no system default that can be preconfigured, calculated, assumed, guessed, or arbitrarily chosen. No "one size fits all" solution is possible. Just take the following example: A problem program will do some database lookup, store lots of data in memory, then calculate something from it, build another set of memory-intensive struc- tures, and then start heavy disk I/O do write lots of result files. This might require more RAM than the system has. Let's say it's 64 GB. The program now needs 80 GB, so swap will be used. After a period of heavy system activity, memory will be released again. Load values go back to normal. For this example, try to imagine at what stage the kernel should interfere. And _should_ it interfere? From the practical point of view, everything worked as it was intended and expected. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 3 19:48:01 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40F21FF30B7 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2018 19:48:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jkeenan@pobox.com) Received: from pb-smtp1.pobox.com (pb-smtp1.pobox.com [64.147.108.70]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CE8E378889 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2018 19:48:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jkeenan@pobox.com) Received: from pb-smtp1.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp1.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB70BF20A2 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2018 15:47:59 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=pobox.com; h=subject:to :references:from:message-id:date:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=sasl; bh=M3tBTgI/R4wS LfNfxOXvUuz0fF0=; b=M0twzGAPwfx4rQ+aEXsv5GZ1JfCB6OE2+n39jm22EItU S3BPebEvvCikQKTwTaFNlOE7wP+IWZqebvsHUt1nzsqCyJ1ebF1thmlgc2kd8naH fqoXQTDXghAOhumVRvCbssITvFY/6SOONkKpfBfolYmP0tqP1wol58aB4ZjxIrs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=pobox.com; h=subject:to :references:from:message-id:date:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=sasl; b=pT80mw CqK34FVj2gvpo9Bk9MIob8+73Qt9T8c60uRRzYJ8XNC0Fyw68953qe7MooO35cjS goZ1E/6wS44dpoNOuPDm0SEEVzDczCjCyfsSGj2/Sdy0VHp5I627QyLt72tCcHNT 2qDs42lESlpIXhXnFwlkOWDw1Z6HzugJth3nA= Received: from pb-smtp1.nyi.icgroup.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp1.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E28DDF20A1 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2018 15:47:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.5] (unknown [24.185.115.142]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pb-smtp1.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7BFBBF20A0 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2018 15:47:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Unable to kill processes using either Ctrl-C or 'kill' To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <9a7f62c4-80aa-7eea-91ec-6712612a0451@pobox.com> From: James E Keenan Message-ID: <4e89e9e7-6565-290c-47a7-de7543c1a6bf@pobox.com> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2018 15:47:58 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Pobox-Relay-ID: 04D8E5AC-6767-11E8-9D3F-44CE1968708C-57062903!pb-smtp1.pobox.com X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2018 19:48:01 -0000 On 06/03/2018 03:03 PM, Michael Schuster wrote: > On Sun, Jun 3, 2018 at 8:47 PM, Duane Whitty wrote: > >> On Sun, Jun 3, 2018 at 1:20 PM, James E Keenan wrote: >> >>> On a FreeBSD-11 host, I am unable to kill processes using either Ctrl-C >> or >>> 'kill'. >>> >>> 1. The problem first became manifest when I was attempting to use Vagrant >>> to download a Vagrant box from vagrantup.com. The box in question was >> a >>> VirtualBox called 'generic/freebsd11'. I have successfully downloaded, >>> installed and used this box several times already, so I anticipated no >>> problems. >>> >>> ##### >>> $ vagrant init generic/freebsd11 >>> $ vagrant up --provision | tee vagrant-up-provision.log.20180603100900 >>> Bringing machine 'default' up with 'virtualbox' provider... >>> ==> default: Checking if box 'generic/freebsd11' is up to date... >>> ==> default: Clearing any previously set forwarded ports... >>> ==> default: Fixed port collision for 22 => 2222. Now on port 2202. >>> ==> default: Clearing any previously set network interfaces... >>> ==> default: Preparing network interfaces based on configuration... >>> default: Adapter 1: nat >>> ==> default: Forwarding ports... >>> default: 22 (guest) => 2202 (host) (adapter 1) >>> ==> default: Running 'pre-boot' VM customizations... >>> ==> default: Booting VM... >>> ==> default: Waiting for machine to boot. This may take a few minutes... >>> default: SSH address: 127.0.0.1:2202 >>> default: SSH username: vagrant >>> default: SSH auth method: private key >>> ##### >>> >>> Based on recent experience, I would have expected the "few minutes" to be >>> 1 or 2 minutes at most and possibly be accompanied by "retrying" methods. >>> >>> However, at this point, the screen hung indefinitely. I tried Ctrl-C; >>> that command was printed in my terminal but otherwise nothing happened. >>> >>> 2. I ssh-ed to the host in a fresh terminal and called >>> >>> ##### >>> tail -f vagrant-up-provision.log.20180603100900 >>> ##### >>> >>> That command displayed the output posted above and hung at the same >>> point. This process also could not be killed by Ctrl-C. >>> >>> 3. I then ssh-ed to the host in a third terminal, called 'ps aux', and >>> then tried to kill suspect processes with 'kill -9 '. Those >> processes >>> were not, in fact, killed; their status was changed to 'T' -- "Marks a >>> stopped process" according to 'man ps'. Some excerpts from 'ps auxwww': >>> >>> ##### >>> vmuser 7169 0.0 0.1 81356 4444 0 T+ 14:09 0:01.99 >>> /usr/local/bin/ruby24 /usr/local/bin/vagrant up --provision >>> ... >>> jkeenan 67787 0.0 0.0 6296 0 1 WW+ - 0:00.00 >>> tail -f /home/vmuser/vagrant-images/generic-freebsd11-201806030939/ >>> vagrant-up-provision.log.20180603100900 >>> ... >>> jkeenan 74119 0.0 0.0 7064 0 2 WW+ - 0:00.00 >>> /bin/sh /usr/bin/man ps >>> ##### >>> >>> 4. I have now opened quite a few connections to the host. If I issue a >>> command there such as 'man ps' or 'less' that entails paging, I can page >>> through the output, but the process does not close by itself and does not >>> respond to Ctrl-C. If I then try to kill that process from another >>> terminal, the best that happens is that its status gets changed to 'WW+' >> -- >>> "Marks an idle interrupt thread" and "The process is swapped out". >>> >>> Internet searches turn up links like this one, >>> https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/cant-kill-process-in-the- >>> stop-state.56319/, that suggest that there are certain processes that do >>> not respond to 'kill' signals. That seems to be what's happening here. >>> >>> Can anyone suggest the cause of the problem? >>> >>> Short of requesting that the sysadmin shut down and reboot the system, is >>> there anyway for a non-root user to solve this problem? >>> >>> Thank you very much. >>> Jim Keenan >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe >>> @freebsd.org" >>> >> >> >> Can you get added to sudoers? I realize that still implies a level of root >> access but I really don't know of any other way to kill processes which >> don't belong to you. I don't see why the sysadmin would need to reboot. >> > > most likely, being root or equivalent won't help in this case. If a > processes owner cannot kill it (using -9, which cannot be caught) that > implies that the process is hung in the kernel (signal delivery happens > when a process leaves kernel context). > Indeed. If I say 'sudo kill -9 ', I am prompted for my password, enter it, hit Return ... and then nothing happens and I am stuck with another hung terminal. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 3 22:51:06 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BC65FE86DB for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2018 22:51:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x244.google.com (mail-wm0-x244.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::244]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0B94482150 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2018 22:51:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x244.google.com with SMTP id v131-v6so11331758wma.1 for ; Sun, 03 Jun 2018 15:51:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=0D8ZVsxwt2FxgtMLPLmo7PTLmBqfP8G7J3QjP+rIGck=; b=oXb4iZlknRqrSj6IAPP2eq4KwKTV9QVuTsd8Pzdk8mpXj1bBUrxpp0lZE3W4DmID/7 4VFAi54NbKh+i0cXs8uqsjeH5aBL9WTc+iUkx6dVoKyqDEUgFdSBUMWh4edlEAbcu1VU 2v1yIsod1b/nVY4na/jVm/Xd1Zhq224KB/MaF5uqD0O0t+GR82RoVfafmsbA32YfiLF2 aEuUslzrPI5DEALzgdKTkW26g2+aFUAQ+AlvilPcxVvTTcWiHQOijw9W05PAYzzaMp2p DodeVrFFJMD/GhcAygqhKKaJJ0tC1p5nK7uHKwtEWU6NhdLsaexpVs1P1XxPuJsgv3u0 EM9w== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E2nEQjTgRxa7S0L0l4M5uQYPGpPFesowV607e57o8swMEPrfk39 FBfnxgQ15sPoMhD8UBcK53+2TA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKINvFJIAJ9VwdiLK9uaOWJTFA9rGjzuzQfDHKJ6akkibPmh/fV+R4eU7NYR9BBpgGM7Ff4qBg== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:4056:: with SMTP id n83-v6mr8046606wma.6.1528066264726; Sun, 03 Jun 2018 15:51:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com ([90.211.23.147]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j9-v6sm6762984wmh.28.2018.06.03.15.51.03 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Sun, 03 Jun 2018 15:51:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2018 23:51:02 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is it normal that a user can take down the whole system by using too much memory? Message-ID: <20180603235102.570ebd1b@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20180603210915.7da21bf1.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <1527977770.2651378.1394286400.0806CC5C@webmail.messagingengine.com> <01EE7EEA-03AC-4D71-BA08-B0CEA97EE720@thehowies.com> <1527981931.2670335.1394316280.09410FC9@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20180603210915.7da21bf1.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.16.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.1) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2018 22:51:06 -0000 On Sun, 3 Jun 2018 21:09:15 +0200 Polytropon wrote: > On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 19:25:31 -0400, Brennan Vincent wrote: > > I'm also curious, however, to learn more from an OS design > > perspective. Why isn't it possible for the kernel to realize it > > should kill `eatmem` rather than make the system unusable? > > > > Is this a hard problem in general, or just a missing feature in > > FreeBSD specifically ? > Resource control mechanisms are present in FreeBSD, but it takes > a system administrator with sufficient knowledge and experience > to decide about the values that will apply - how much RAM can be > consumed, how many child processes can be spawned, how many files > can be held open... and so on. There just is no system default > that can be preconfigured, calculated, assumed, guessed, or > arbitrarily chosen. No "one size fits all" solution is possible. Configuration isn't relevant to the question as it's just a way to avoid reproducing the test conditions. > Just take the following example:... > For this example, try to imagine at what stage the kernel should > interfere. And _should_ it interfere? From the practical point > of view, everything worked as it was intended and expected. The OP's program is attempting to dirty many more pages than will fit in swap+ram. Eventually, as a last resort, the kernel has no alternative but to start killing processes. The last time I looked it did kill them largest first which has the best chance of killing a runaway process first. When I ran a similar test a few years ago my program would get killed as expected, large amounts of swap and memory would be freed and the system would return quickly to normal. The issue here is that the OP is only seeing this behaviour half the time. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 4 03:51:51 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81294FE8E6F for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2018 03:51:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from FreeBSD@shaneware.biz) Received: from ipmail07.adl2.internode.on.net (ipmail07.adl2.internode.on.net [150.101.137.131]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B500A6E435 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2018 03:51:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from FreeBSD@shaneware.biz) Received: from ppp118-210-151-234.bras1.adl6.internode.on.net (HELO leader.local) ([118.210.151.234]) by ipmail07.adl2.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 04 Jun 2018 13:21:42 +0930 Subject: Re: Unable to kill processes using either Ctrl-C or 'kill' To: Michael Schuster Cc: freeBSD Mailing List References: <9a7f62c4-80aa-7eea-91ec-6712612a0451@pobox.com> From: Shane Ambler Message-ID: <8286a5eb-9bc7-66a0-f84e-da49c12c1b07@ShaneWare.Biz> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2018 13:21:40 +0930 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-AU Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2018 03:51:51 -0000 On 04/06/2018 04:33, Michael Schuster wrote: > most likely, being root or equivalent won't help in this case. If a > processes owner cannot kill it (using -9, which cannot be caught) that > implies that the process is hung in the kernel (signal delivery happens > when a process leaves kernel context). I this situation, is there any way to find what function the hung process is in? Attach and backtrace it? While I know I can attach lldb/gdb to a running process, I can't seem to find a way to interrupt a non-killable process to get control and see where it is or what it is doing. and... I just thought I should be looking at dtrace. -- FreeBSD - the place to B...Software Developing Shane Ambler From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 4 04:12:46 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FC1CFEB36A for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2018 04:12:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelsprivate@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qk0-x242.google.com (mail-qk0-x242.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::242]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ECBFF6F28C for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2018 04:12:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelsprivate@gmail.com) Received: by mail-qk0-x242.google.com with SMTP id y4-v6so5949521qka.5 for ; Sun, 03 Jun 2018 21:12:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Ya2LFuYq0SG33H5S9NJiM67gTXTQVPyGlOaz2isQQ8o=; b=YTP2JLSgANfLjeT9Ts1KcjWTMb6qCS1a9y/V5noEd7jKi7sLhrIkmqP76JeemJGDz2 OeBJoOmc+0vHXyggJ0vpiZDAM+oZq8IeMLi7c91DoIK4YZbD6XcwtE2rTP1YWq9KqDEv EJX9nrcgKkBit9SX3XpMlpGvMtjQ9agWiZZ/kPlFv/OTQrRQ7BXoVsRojLdmhDJZuS9N hp4fvgMZiiP5WNKLE6SqhQVIpR14nXDnkr7Bmf0KR4ZGG/b0LO9GWdhXPzT6mKkjgClE BEoYV5nNrEqzDowT3QQvAZI8vrpelCKGiP2q6lfkXSW/tnDX2ickR79Yl5zfqd15gl8a OB7Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Ya2LFuYq0SG33H5S9NJiM67gTXTQVPyGlOaz2isQQ8o=; b=hsvclEf/osL7UXLpXR9VcgTPzUChOpNMLC5uUpyaZDWrBG/pkaDS3goFQPbkidXvyf afXAvSvXiQVP0DyWap2NY3z42SdfZS5FtYwKf26LP9GylRsm6nfE/3IirVt9UuJKUcP4 PIIHiiHp0PL98lgDBMJgZ4HuCMfA052PmFhIlSQZE1++VTFADrYVYdRSZ1L+htXA+htW 8IVeEINNC47BLuBQHxyNkS6wHUX85fCVrgSJCuMzXaqbukdYaj6rfExFVGFIZAZ76ms9 Ig0mgqTzJcxxWL8zHRbrAeQ4PeGWRRr+t42aeFTRe41rL7qRKCKh/gg6e9wLO+TgPEF8 iuPQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E3aFQmtWVhjjHCdU1E7UBY2TcVZwfpR6ZZX9VASFlhFPiQN7BRc GbJEHtZ+6tBMb3QhcDkfmkPMjweZFjUHJCU+n54= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKJubvtLlWBFshq5bwTZX5qI2IuQ3GnP0ayMBDHJN52jZT96YTs5dO0m4stW0IfFqx0dENGn9QpivNwrOFF+eCg= X-Received: by 2002:a37:3b85:: with SMTP id i127-v6mr18597797qka.165.1528085565496; Sun, 03 Jun 2018 21:12:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a0c:f043:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Sun, 3 Jun 2018 21:12:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8286a5eb-9bc7-66a0-f84e-da49c12c1b07@ShaneWare.Biz> References: <9a7f62c4-80aa-7eea-91ec-6712612a0451@pobox.com> <8286a5eb-9bc7-66a0-f84e-da49c12c1b07@ShaneWare.Biz> From: Michael Schuster Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2018 06:12:25 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Unable to kill processes using either Ctrl-C or 'kill' To: Shane Ambler Cc: freeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.26 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2018 04:12:46 -0000 On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 5:51 AM, Shane Ambler wrote: > On 04/06/2018 04:33, Michael Schuster wrote: > > > most likely, being root or equivalent won't help in this case. If a > > processes owner cannot kill it (using -9, which cannot be caught) that > > implies that the process is hung in the kernel (signal delivery happens > > when a process leaves kernel context). > > I this situation, is there any way to find what function the hung > process is in? Attach and backtrace it? > While I know I can attach lldb/gdb to a running process, I can't seem to > find a way to interrupt a non-killable process to get control and see > where it is or what it is doing. > I don't know enough about attaching a debugger to a running process to be able to answer this authoritatively (if that's an English word ... :-)); I'd assume that this can only happen when a process is executing in user space or when it's returning from a system call. Since the proceiss in question is not doing either, that probably won't work. > > and... I just thought I should be looking at dtrace. > DTrace works event-based. If the process that's "hung" is actually caught in some kind of busy-waiting loop, DTrace may help you to gain some insight into what's going on. If, OTOH, it's waiting on some synchronisation mechanism, DTrace is probably not the tool to use here (although it may help in establishing which kind of problem you're seeing). HTH Michael -- Michael Schuster http://recursiveramblings.wordpress.com/ recursion, n: see 'recursion' From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 4 09:18:46 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E40D3FEA7AC; Mon, 4 Jun 2018 09:18:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tcberner@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qt0-f176.google.com (mail-qt0-f176.google.com [209.85.216.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8A5AF7BF0E; Mon, 4 Jun 2018 09:18:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tcberner@gmail.com) Received: by mail-qt0-f176.google.com with SMTP id q6-v6so5836077qtn.7; Mon, 04 Jun 2018 02:18:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=mjzBCHEZhRPcZ0oLMqT1UDD7Ygd4U2tQn1hRK5+XbcU=; b=W56s5Fi3iYB0iaNahVTXfLKA9EgD77mDow2kGdBb0CdwtdBrrFmHNAK1JaY9wPFH2y 18Nz7dR5RqHOYZqmAHbWLu3CeJRW12cIx0574XiwpMoM65oLhrIPfuaPFZI4UXSKGcl+ b/XDhtbTRtPAnzagC4eipvsxjVVAMKtb7+PeIEt5q8GF+l0uvMmyZXppfYsd3sXE0of4 EVHlPRNu9Lalm3iCvBtzdaPXHrSfJNOAJg0qY0gBx5+VRNVdiEucT9IQQnogW9whAJtU gKqOymNFiQWoyo2wilLqqgu9oDHXRK8zEOXdGtlE1/HyrP+v+JnkYiqIunVRnSy3vy7j OWRQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E3r7W1pcgOMQGlTiv/BFZs6814xF/hCYbgxcZeOpLerYyQpLhAM 7NekSVS3zLRJKLQMxUcpXbieGEqG X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKLzTg+8c2gHRSlNmwT4yHveXHahCpazE8uOReDMHjd4Ufg6bXMD4htxKbYDDKb4jU/cFZxECQ== X-Received: by 2002:ac8:4445:: with SMTP id m5-v6mr14887454qtn.255.1528103919597; Mon, 04 Jun 2018 02:18:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qt0-f181.google.com (mail-qt0-f181.google.com. [209.85.216.181]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x1-v6sm17805076qtc.19.2018.06.04.02.18.39 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 04 Jun 2018 02:18:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qt0-f181.google.com with SMTP id o9-v6so5957977qtp.3; Mon, 04 Jun 2018 02:18:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a0c:9b93:: with SMTP id o19-v6mr3290203qve.89.1528103919026; Mon, 04 Jun 2018 02:18:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:ac8:4084:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Mon, 4 Jun 2018 02:18:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8993e2f6-cf57-96d2-fd2c-7da63db08673@zyxst.net> References: <8993e2f6-cf57-96d2-fd2c-7da63db08673@zyxst.net> From: "Tobias C. Berner" Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2018 11:18:38 +0200 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: Cannot mix incompatible Qt library (version 0x50904) with this library (version 0x50a01),Abort (core dumped) To: tech-lists Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Stable , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.26 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2018 09:18:46 -0000 Hi there Qt4 has nothing to do with this. The issue is caused by upgrading Qt5 from 5.9.4 to 5.10.1 without also rebuilding the Qt5 using applications/libraries :) mfg Tobias On 31 May 2018 at 16:37, tech-lists wrote: > Hello lists, > > context: 11.2-PRERELEASE #0 r333458 / ports r471194 > > with xpdf I get the following error: > > Cannot mix incompatible Qt library (version 0x50904) with this library > (version 0x50a01),Abort (core dumped) > > I seem to have both qt4-4.8.7 and qt5-5.10.1 installed. I didn't install > these directly though, seems they've been installed as dependencies of > other ports. I'm using MATE desktop. > > I've tried reinstalling xfdf via pkg and the port with the same result. Is > this a known problem/how can I fix? Have found no fix yet from GIS, most > seem to point to deleting and reinstalling everything. > > thanks, > -- > J. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 4 10:43:55 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DEF2FF304E for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2018 10:43:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EA7837F924 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2018 10:43:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1528109035; x=1530701035; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=FFllz5mA0WiBZGreIdvrDoT8NrbKdinSJoKy39L7180=; b=vH+TfvAlN5nJSzWsU5Ov9xXrylzODVXj+kJNLLsX08C7g6xfpBV56j5qVsiPFpxAB4CTyVWSVPG93GaPUm8OUGI0h99lQrOEKLk2bQbqA3DCtPXHqzr6r9cNX+3A9ADOtDxpy2wpkbtBR0o1emuga/yosngq7fB0IK1z8eE1E7o= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xOGQwMDAwMDA5MGFkMGIuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r3.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r3.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com [54.165.229.15]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Mon, 4 Jun 2018 05:43:38 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [89.127.62.20]) by r3.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Mon, 4 Jun 2018 05:43:36 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.90_1 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1fPm1W-000M5P-NM; Mon, 04 Jun 2018 09:43:34 +0000 Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2018 10:43:34 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Brennan Vincent Cc: John Howie , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is it normal that a user can take down the whole system by using too much memory? Message-Id: <20180604104334.cfa2f9b307e52afff34c39ec@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <1527981931.2670335.1394316280.09410FC9@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1527977770.2651378.1394286400.0806CC5C@webmail.messagingengine.com> <01EE7EEA-03AC-4D71-BA08-B0CEA97EE720@thehowies.com> <1527981931.2670335.1394316280.09410FC9@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.1) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2018 10:43:55 -0000 On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 19:25:31 -0400 Brennan Vincent wrote: > Thanks John for the response -- this should help me solve my practical > needs. > > I'm also curious, however, to learn more from an OS design perspective. Best way to do that is look at the code. > Why isn't it possible for the kernel to realize it should kill `eatmem` > rather than make the system unusable? The code in vm_pageout.c that handles out of swap conditions tries to kill the biggest process - by that it means the one estimated to release the most memory. To that end it skips processes in various states - killed, protected, system, non-running and then picks the biggest of the remaining processes to kill. One thing that may cause the random chaos you see is that killing a process takes time, especially if that process has swapped out pages, if something else calls for memory it has finished dying then the next biggest process will get killed even though the process responsible has already been killed (after all it might be locked up and failing to die). -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 4 11:46:06 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7767BFD032D for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2018 11:46:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mayuresh@kathe.in) Received: from relay12.mail.gandi.net (relay12.mail.gandi.net [IPv6:2001:4b98:dc4:8:216:3eff:febd:639b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F07BD82416 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2018 11:46:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mayuresh@kathe.in) Received: from webmail.gandi.net (unknown [10.200.201.5]) (Authenticated sender: mayuresh@kathe.in) by relay12.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 90BFE20000F for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2018 13:45:56 +0200 (CEST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2018 11:45:56 +0000 From: Mayuresh Kathe To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: mutt-lite + msmtp : any help? Reply-To: mayuresh@kathe.in Mail-Reply-To: mayuresh@kathe.in Message-ID: X-Sender: mayuresh@kathe.in User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.1.2 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2018 11:46:06 -0000 i lost my archives and hence don't have the configuration files i used for the mutt+msmtp combo for my email system. i rebuilt muttrc tailored for mutt-lite, as below; set realname = "Mayuresh Kathe" set from = "mayuresh@kathe.in" set imap_user = "mayuresh@kathe.in" set imap_pass = "" set imap_keepalive = "90" set folder = "imaps://mail.gandi.net:993" set spoolfile = "+Inbox" set record = "+Sent" set postponed = "+Drafts" set trash = "+Trash" set message_cachedir = "~/.mutt/cache/bodies" set certificate_file = "~/.mutt/certificates" but, am totally confused about msmtprc. would anyone with the experience of using msmtp please help? also, would like to know why msmtp has bash as a dependency, and is it possible to eliminate that dependency. thanks. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 4 11:56:43 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E89AEFD16D4 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2018 11:56:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5249282C80 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2018 11:56:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.66.222]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue002 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0Lgysp-1g2hsM0s3b-00oauT; Mon, 04 Jun 2018 13:56:33 +0200 Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2018 13:56:32 +0200 From: Polytropon To: mayuresh@kathe.in Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mutt-lite + msmtp : any help? 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Probably not. The msmtp default configuration seems to contain the option MSMTPQ for managing offline message queues, and this is done via bash scripts. It _might_ be possible to try to run those scripts with regular sh, and in case this won't work, change them in order to _not_ require any bash-isms. :-) Further details: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=220439 -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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Message-ID: X-Sender: andre@drenet.net User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.3.6 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2018 19:06:16 -0000 I'm trying to come up with a solution to an issue I'm seeing on FreeBSD VMs installed as qemu/KVM guests (I'm sure the fact that they're guests have nothing to do with my issue, but I thought I'd mention it anyway). From within a VM, I seem to be hitting a ~128KB/s limit on I/O streams, that only seems to be present in FreeBSD. The first output below is to the local disk (local to the VM) on which the OS is installed, you can see that the KB/t (kilobytes per transfer) never go above ~128KB/t, though the IOPS (iostat tps field) go up as far as allowed for the VM. I ran a simple 'dd' with 'bs=1M count=1024' (columns are KB/t,tps,MB/s): 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 0 0.00 126.90 322 39.91 0.00 0 0.00 127.59 1094 136.31 0.00 0 0.00 126.79 1089 134.88 0.00 0 0.00 127.85 1314 164.03 0.00 0 0.00 127.57 1340 166.91 0.00 0 0.00 127.56 1322 164.69 0.00 0 0.00 127.64 1331 165.87 0.00 0 0.00 126.87 425 52.71 0.00 0 0.00 7.00 1 0.01 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 0 0.00 The second disk I added (which is an RBD network disk, though I don't think that matters, thought I'd mention it) has it's IOPS limited to 75 (with some bursting allowed). You can see that the KB/t still remains below 128KB/t, which creates a bottleneck as the IOPS cannot increase for this disk, giving it a very low throughput of ~9MB/s, which is horrible write speed for my case. 0.00 0 0.00 124.69 75 9.17 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 0 0.00 124.86 74 9.05 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 0 0.00 124.64 75 9.19 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 0 0.00 124.81 75 9.09 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 0 0.00 124.61 76 9.23 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 0 0.00 124.80 74 9.04 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 0 0.00 124.77 75 9.14 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 0 0.00 124.56 76 9.22 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 0 0.00 123.24 75 9.03 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 0 0.00 124.97 75 9.15 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 0 0.00 4.00 1 0.00 124.73 75 9.13 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 0 0.00 124.73 75 9.14 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 0 0.00 From within any number of Linux VMs (I've tried Ubuntu, Arch, and Fedora) on the same platform, using the RBD disk I do not have the same issue with speed, as those systems seem to scale up their data per second -- discounting the fact that the IOPS in this case burst up a bit to 118tps (this is from a VM running Arch Linux; columns are tps,KB_read/s,KB_wrtn/s,KB_read,KB_wrtn): sdb 4.00 8.00 28.00 8 28 sdb 26.00 4.00 23820.00 4 23820 sdb 31.00 0.00 31488.00 0 31488 sdb 118.00 0.00 120832.00 0 120832 sdb 90.10 0.00 93275.25 0 94208 sdb 0.00 0.00 0.00 0 0 My question is, am I able to increase the KB/t from 128KB/t? Or is this simply a limit of the FreeBSD kernel? I'd prefer to be able to increase the KB/t (from within the VM) rather than IOPS (which I can do from the host system) if at all possible. Thanks in advance for any insight. -- Andre Goree -=-=-=-=-=- Email - andre at drenet.net Website - http://blog.drenet.net PGP key - http://www.drenet.net/pubkey.html -=-=-=-=-=- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 4 21:33:36 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9353DFF733C for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2018 21:33:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from edflecko@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lf0-x22a.google.com (mail-lf0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D73686808F for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2018 21:33:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from edflecko@gmail.com) Received: by mail-lf0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id q11-v6so226904lfc.7 for ; Mon, 04 Jun 2018 14:33:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=A4xFwoD/GBbHgdxxDy4Wo5nXqqWkpNnUi4RZFoiOiLE=; b=mc3nLfGvwnq26arc/Uepw0FQGYmMGM4JBlJbVjVIeP3PprWFOqzMQl4plCC6u7pyEf D9M9F1biolP7aMe+qKpP3rX+bbxiOeEiB9vHzIWVaYFQtbjCjRdWotjHviuGkgrOv21T Rw3q0fkhs1fg992yllr4HhT7BfmH+sHq6y2ofZhw2OkSDadql9G0R5IqZpC9sB+6Ygtz XvmOfz2Og09hEIW35hh39lyGpp5mwGYp0cthHzyFdOb0cRgbYIDWdO0sGEhmn8PDn86i eDc4g0sXjpbP36JDjFK0uR62AF/8+5XapfpVK17RlcXK3jLdSSK6BWwFPMCeRdTOSxul pnjg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=A4xFwoD/GBbHgdxxDy4Wo5nXqqWkpNnUi4RZFoiOiLE=; b=gMvShyS2Capj2eI7g6ZWi7fyGOu4XUqTlLiPOcODCy30DyftZADc+GwpWe5dQQHfBa 4HaYeamvRdVZh/E6JL6/YZ9fczkQ+tdB/PpFlbC8jGrSFFbffpFY9qjuFpE9r+lqm+TK H0oTXNZE35R6q4aA7vaDhze+Pt/6YECphNYl3olWiLD0BJtHiF3x0S0zXW11FQb/2JDA B3CiA9APR1q0qFnVTCkPR1IIuT1aPtguWgU6Q0BI1mvc/4aS2aZ5E27AoLfWm7hrOBjH IuliDOkaFbA6RU19ZNYwrmeXmaR9/SQxwKwbcvAsgqteldXh1ypTxotYPYN4lZ1gkYnm /hOg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALKqPwc6xzwprDbuMlWE3dEIvgi0M2nbd+ARr6n8fMLSOz3t+4r7kMjH XQ87haQDI7Y+bpP9GBt17YV0xwCBgFsq+I8uCZDklw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKKUnJBn77SNnTkBKdgTM2e/cGcclV9jo5ikQKIlaGS6Q0TlqTt9nzoKK5V/jBOILLgsvCYoEwE/7itHKTLYdsg= X-Received: by 2002:a19:d744:: with SMTP id o65-v6mr13320960lfg.124.1528148014344; Mon, 04 Jun 2018 14:33:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a2e:4b02:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Mon, 4 Jun 2018 14:33:33 -0700 (PDT) From: edflecko Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2018 14:33:33 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Error installing Apache from port with NSS To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.26 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2018 21:33:36 -0000 I'm trying to install Apache 2.4 in an ezjail using the port. I issued the following command from the jail /usr/ports/www/apache24 directory to begin: make config-recursive install clean and I chose to use the NSS option when installing. The error message I eventually get is: "configure: error: Crypto was requested but no crypto library could be enabled; specify the location of a crypto library using --with-openssl, --with-nss, and/or --with-commoncrypto." I then ran: make deinstall clean for the Apache port, installed NSS from the port, and re-ran my Apache install and I still get the same error. I see the error message clearly says to " specify the location of a crypto library using --with-openssl, --with-nss..." but I don't know how to do that. Suggestions? Thank you, Ed From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 4 22:24:53 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 874C7FDB91F for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2018 22:24:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.75]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E3E3E6A18B for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2018 22:24:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.66.222]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue102 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0MJCME-1fShza1tkI-002nTw; Tue, 05 Jun 2018 00:24:44 +0200 Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2018 00:24:44 +0200 From: Polytropon To: edflecko Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Error installing Apache from port with NSS Message-Id: <20180605002444.cbc40d38.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:SYod5sxHnLd01RJcVqNX/t7KmhwCPI2DRZhk7z5osyeHerz3i2y h2SluBntRDc/XjJ8Ty/W1st67nkF0qeFA+2V0KjewKqD1UPqPS3FOvbiGyt85OfVWPIedH4 vq9Gltkr/Q7I4L24PGF+ZzVjLIAFKyk7LMvHDlzmGfamJ7uN6gclEeSmuU7T3no/mlYzaN3 mImbGXVHmUkuKfZuvA/Eg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:vszkqO/vlyI=:4Hoje+TVDpv8cF7BIvMYLE 1THyNcAv4CbaZYpFPXU5m4CXi/XNbUEr6TZb3qaYrEQS/zhLa4EO1SdWhEyG5lDkTh/MGP3z7 og1kajnRDDdSDedu4dtNApCB7veZ2MfsdJXZf+ZTw3bN1O7stTf+qz35cp6ZgiAwjBqwPSO/C LVte1FU010W8UR8YLSJdC+WhSDoFJMmpszdscQbENoAh5Lc//YiOEun/AP6d8dPvDwdX5TAel FyYk8Ly36IZPBBA2q6PZyS8ONWCaba1D5s6tYZKjCOQR5M1huOVUB8HzpSwe7BV6sVEZA/I+V 8oav6cP23bd7hoyQyf1NLPbiH/MPJCw207ueDfSEdaE/TrKFAP7HtZtMZX/nGtdUTxTbD9mza dRioAh21xTe9oTlvM1RGqtc9d6qhEv67VUxV/ZiJ4m1gLKlC1wi0xb1ekkz58iEuTwo4Gjdzx AoV2yoRSfZw2x3AO6udfeC/M7o6hQ2ymCtnXm7+/jga+OtUN94KNq6jjQAdrgGu5aY/amDc6f efwPnpOh64g1a8XeJRJHmJLmV0PpJohZbIMWM420aXA2aR2hudcT+CuLQyXrwGUGT4dpyZLW0 QEzpyeb7LhF/3W30Cuh05WgAUF5vwytX+J0eiBaesyvCT5AGQwtDA5FMAbcnY2cvo9jfamlib F4DA+mDEqPVfOE01zpmnfp4tEgt8kj0Rg4vA4LmaXlfwspobt0xZ3w0errrwO+cvA7ScCFEd8 OW9AUpZgF17hCs+B X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2018 22:24:53 -0000 On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 14:33:33 -0700, edflecko wrote: > The error message I eventually get is: > > "configure: error: Crypto was requested but no crypto library could be > enabled; specify the location of a crypto library using --with-openssl, > --with-nss, and/or --with-commoncrypto." > > I then ran: make deinstall clean for the Apache port, installed NSS from > the port, and re-ran my Apache install and I still get the same error. > > I see the error message clearly says to " specify the location of a crypto > library using --with-openssl, --with-nss..." but I don't know how to do > that. > > Suggestions? This is an error message primarily intended for using the "configure" script (in the classic sense of "./configure && make && make install" way of installing things). Those options will instruct "configure" how to generate the Makefile that will control the build. You should be able to use something like this: # ./configure --with-nss # make # make install from within the port's work directory (just check where the configure script is). However, the FreeBSD ports infrastructure should be the preferred means so you do not have to do this. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 4 22:35:26 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B926FDD1A6 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2018 22:35:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peo@nethead.se) Received: from ns1.nethead.se (ns1.nethead.se [5.150.237.139]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "ns1.nethead.se", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 360BC6AA14 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2018 22:35:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peo@nethead.se) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at Nethead AB DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=nethead.se; s=NETHEADSE; t=1528151322; bh=pEUDeOcfguq5Af37uC1mtPneF0D1uj8HRQew8I+kMgo=; h=To:From:Subject:Date; b=Byd8XagK+IIES9tXQ/BB3GcGjMLmbufuzy2JLnbSwUYzFDkHD6GlR6DSuNneX3Dh/ Y1otYyKXHNnRv3BmeAfTichc7FqwHyuFPrZSqVBbBzAw1aGy0LNLJUaC/1MUx2TKrl G8KTq2PqZEAf4qA5aWJKfwlSWdS0WJ16SMyMh/2A= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Per olof Ljungmark Subject: Help on the way with XR17V3521 Dual PCIe UART Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2018 00:28:40 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2018 22:35:26 -0000 Hi, A while ago XR17V3521 was added to share/misc/pci_vendors, and I happen to have a card using that chip: none0@pci0:7:0:0: class=0x070002 card=0x00000000 chip=0x035213a8 rev=0x03 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Exar Corp.' device = 'XR17V3521 Dual PCIe UART' class = simple comms subclass = UART The only noise I see so far from that card is, pcib7: at device 30.0 on pci0 pci7: on pcib7 Can some kind soul please point me in the direction where I should look to get something more useful out of it, I presume sys/dev/puc/pucdata.c but this is where I'm lost, can't find any docs on how this file is built. The card is a VSCom 200PCIe, apparently with a XR17V3521 chip, the chip manual says "16550 compatible register set" Thanks! From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 4 22:49:52 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E267BFDF6D5 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2018 22:49:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from edflecko@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lf0-x236.google.com (mail-lf0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 425CA6B761 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2018 22:49:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from edflecko@gmail.com) Received: by mail-lf0-x236.google.com with SMTP id v135-v6so451980lfa.9 for ; Mon, 04 Jun 2018 15:49:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=kOdSFrM7OfeutQ486ht5a+R35vnV+V32VnQlRt2yzGg=; b=lr0hCaHPw7oeGllT+uVKCk5F5OzBe2/ThefIG+48Bg86W1VMH49H1FQh0P9aWJXC93 qqwiRF7F07lnDSGe6mHTGAIpIZ9v7Mrg/YcQzF4l/G+8J1pwlLQz0ycDZLu84C9evoR7 0V7lPxOZCHCbNguaYgm0GCWlgLs0TzGd7P3LznROlPRyjwML43PdRI75vwOpVnh3OtcJ tHuM7048m6JRFlUrTOkO2swUmUBFfmfspWzq6/515o52FrT6HJ4fuGXkPSYigXwWc0hb YwP4OL1maFMky/Lw6ZPs2PfpZzsET5rf32xMz0g5ggT2zgzfBxt0+6oGhonrMBBdntEk 0PeA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=kOdSFrM7OfeutQ486ht5a+R35vnV+V32VnQlRt2yzGg=; b=P2MMVahFXU06pEYOhhDHUQnv+XK6tlMp7f5k35zmdM6QFGOCktzm3YhRwkyqDrjnuK cS6KPqiw4CqavKbwbiXC53Tj207khy1JVD/f8wBvoSoACsLLHsKGYocJxQocNX6uVmqk NMZ4NrHZt1ZvLeLHbZtF6zhmVajDKsENQphSYbKMcV+LUyfIojzsoEKKd0XuP94dlpO8 BM3Jm1bDFEir11EgduVJCoFuLYidmnsS5+1Gv42Gh+uCfIYaz0+G4YPMOYt9G5gVO8/p NXaIVt3u9bk3VmEq3qIBtUOX6lTryUgWjg012zZCJdk41AH3EZaZuuSgKmzv1OHxAJHU uR1w== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E0mXer1xVnLqUiOXhSMmUrI3d3fkZYgCZI3H1Ezi0ZseNW9AVPG qLN315sXT+FnIMBdlvDs89AMQZQaJNimb/a5EPeJJw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKJCbRvD8cZYyK1o+TYHbU1RoKGsfZ2D40K5lOcILh4+v7iZeh77xK7stteP3f5ieVJRRxaMNH+Mh7xncbBi6xc= X-Received: by 2002:a19:97cb:: with SMTP id z194-v6mr73002lfd.17.1528152589758; Mon, 04 Jun 2018 15:49:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a2e:4b02:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Mon, 4 Jun 2018 15:49:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20180605002444.cbc40d38.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20180605002444.cbc40d38.freebsd@edvax.de> From: edflecko Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2018 15:49:49 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Error installing Apache from port with NSS To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.26 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2018 22:49:52 -0000 Thank you. Oddly, there is no "configure" file. There are Makefile, Makefile.options and Makefile.options.desc. Perhaps there's a Makefile option that needs to be altered? Ed: On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 3:24 PM, Polytropon wrote: > On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 14:33:33 -0700, edflecko wrote: > > The error message I eventually get is: > > > > "configure: error: Crypto was requested but no crypto library could be > > enabled; specify the location of a crypto library using --with-openssl, > > --with-nss, and/or --with-commoncrypto." > > > > I then ran: make deinstall clean for the Apache port, installed NSS from > > the port, and re-ran my Apache install and I still get the same error. > > > > I see the error message clearly says to " specify the location of a > crypto > > library using --with-openssl, --with-nss..." but I don't know how to do > > that. > > > > Suggestions? > > This is an error message primarily intended for using the > "configure" script (in the classic sense of "./configure && > make && make install" way of installing things). Those options > will instruct "configure" how to generate the Makefile that > will control the build. > > You should be able to use something like this: > > # ./configure --with-nss > # make > # make install > > from within the port's work directory (just check where > the configure script is). > > However, the FreeBSD ports infrastructure should be the > preferred means so you do not have to do this. :-) > > > > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 4 23:00:12 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3C5CFE133C for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2018 23:00:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.13]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1849F6C177 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2018 23:00:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.97.38]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue104 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0M0zHj-1gHwmx1y7r-00v63f; Tue, 05 Jun 2018 01:00:04 +0200 Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2018 01:00:04 +0200 From: Polytropon To: edflecko Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Error installing Apache from port with NSS Message-Id: <20180605010004.db690d79.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20180605002444.cbc40d38.freebsd@edvax.de> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:5nAuUjwHvF8s574DZ2NuKpUu1fBtFVwcJ61fIN6snF9Jd4eJ4gi U2/oYvyx6d9TN100/JhtoynBO/cJ4tUuSBYwrzlRzAHOKkoOiqw8XPanotg640Dpx+2O5sx 7MwdJe4gC4iw5xfmZ1pEcYmQDCKmtfADmup8sTolyN4FulEZ2Xi9NlYwBPWitjTEyCF6l51 Qjdgam8OXhArKYv/6U97Q== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:VxFbmiyjMvc=:LkIMPmEPUqxJo/QCKCvqkm BnzAqGiHyQXNRD7ZSXJPu4jmKi+OtOeAr/ClO44WzXEfpnyr8Ba2y5tO1Mu9Imi7H7Gx0V8mr l8oQwZBTgoNJCaacS1v6n/J46Zz1Of+XlDQimb9dmqHXrOoQdppSfZx/dLsZ/G2LLX5kFGH1h GuQis1UjWBSmR7Hx5wXPi8y1hqnqKT/AXBx/M5euFgm9kGBU/P6iQodl3QlQraDNwQw//2YXi AXBY+CmzDE1Uki524orqnm1gZXhxiuhs/+WZUA+k61/myqWMbdWKw6LjMo76yUuypxSqwyRmg 2JfCBT9q0IVzN1aKvNsJVk0nmEHwt1u1weuBAmUGzIknQqPZXzfQcIEn342fYeALNGzWNDqoo BCVP5Ll3ae0i2xiepXlGFacj9XnwgFqEpriY/jFQMIrZYCeb0NQiFeewEoW7qXmYRiYf1Pgci +6G8H9FdXMd1Cye+yjJMdd2vPJf5P1eP2BmTlXwWznbRTIeUETZ/QtgANNY/bXBc267N/HJpk agM060/Vi8jY72NZ0Y/ZVOWjf9jc6rPQfSZ5YI/Slge1t62yBTpzGq+9eAKoq/VLOjajQYGkD ins+77/3BxBQK/Z4cmk+Xjj4naNx9XLoYNl/JcbB6zRBO+9F/oYG3ACkSYv6CMhkzYVxXjbWN D/DYlQ57K0idH2SbMfAQBTFI9/AobTNIh2hMMbMw6XbdCoPt+XYbEfi9vV8A3LKWUY7bBy77b 1sq3dO+XATj9OxIA X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2018 23:00:12 -0000 On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 15:49:49 -0700, edflecko wrote: > Oddly, there is no "configure" file. There are Makefile, Makefile.options > and Makefile.options.desc. Check deeper in the port's directory. You should be able to find it in a subdirectory after "make extract", i. e., when all the sources are in place. THe manual method is: # make fetch # make extract # make patch Then you can locate the "configure" script and call it with the options. Afterwards, regular "make" (from the top of this port's directory tree) should work. > Perhaps there's a Makefile option that needs to be altered? The Makefiles will often be generated or altered "dynamically" (by the "configure" step). But of course you can check if the Makefile (which calls "configure" as one of the first steps) can be temporarily changed to reflect the option in question, as selecting the required option in "make configure" should typically cause all dependencies to be considered accordingly. Again, this is all "stuff you shouldn't do". ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jun 5 12:19:59 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77AE2FF36F3 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2018 12:19:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aikizen@ovh.fr) Received: from mo29.mail-out.ovh.net (mo29.mail-out.ovh.net [178.32.228.29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 15D0C74375 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2018 12:19:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aikizen@ovh.fr) Received: from he30.mail.ovh.net (he30.mail.ovh.net [188.165.67.38]) by mo29.mail-out.ovh.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAE6134146 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2018 14:10:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Dell-Precision (unknown [92.90.17.165]) by he30.mail.ovh.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6FBBD64D8AC for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2018 14:10:55 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2018 14:10:43 +0200 From: AikiZen To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: =?UTF-8?B?YsOpcG8=?= on gdm FreeBSD 11 Message-ID: <20180605141026.2e1db51f@Dell-Precision> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.16.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.1) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 9065464578564693508 X-VR-SPAMSTATE: OK X-VR-SPAMSCORE: 0 X-VR-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedthedrjeefgdehtdcutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfqggfjpdevjffgvefmvefgnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecu X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2018 12:19:59 -0000 hi, i have gdm on qwerty, not on my using keyboard b=C3=A9po. ___________________________________________________________________________= ________________________ my /usr/local/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-keyboards.conf : Section "InputClass" Identifier "Keyboards" Driver "evdev" Option "XKBOptions" "terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp" # and so on # If you save this file under xorg.conf.d/ : Option "AutoServerLayout" "on" MatchIsKeyboard "on" MatchProduct "TrulyErgonomic.com Truly Ergonomic Computer Keyboard" ### at-home-modifier options begin here. # The basic option. 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Nope...there is no "configure" file at all. :-( Ed From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jun 5 17:48:10 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF0C6FE9388 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2018 17:48:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from edflecko@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lf0-x22f.google.com (mail-lf0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5AF918715F for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2018 17:48:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from edflecko@gmail.com) Received: by mail-lf0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id y20-v6so4956540lfy.0 for ; Tue, 05 Jun 2018 10:48:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=zGDxzz2BUuNFu9gqkoc4TaYpsN1lyA5KKWFI1qAhHPs=; b=KrzLD7UrZ3m10aGEHJ82ny4eseWiFO0nxjpcfS1cmM/HGyErxtjWScel2YXAukNTIu 7q/YGK0EEkWSezoF5aQA1ltCr5EnaPDtumsxIeC8Ybt8OVRQvgOcal4N9iF31y0dUsCn K1ev1qP+mpIQJigomLMsCWNujjJNAV/EnIlvjoUi1KlDegscJvMNvDpvNGgZXlFRGLEh bOKFapGDJF7QlVR8ZssukrU4Z/R1tpttbHBS1hGUl66SuFoL0UvHZrdylfwlmrCYmYHz 8L6yyBlFQ6KVZMDgM7uKt+4rjGxcmPTR4C14LtO0CET4FQL9VgrXRvQOBC00L5atQ0QN WLVQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=zGDxzz2BUuNFu9gqkoc4TaYpsN1lyA5KKWFI1qAhHPs=; b=i7Dsvat/uZF1nnbT0r42x8i1RN4E7xQaZmik7wbTf0CsXsoEcabfWZozJTrtq1hjOt K8BZ96BRm/Xw3ZjMeGcAYjWVGYGm0UT5VNLP06xjAzIQsyzUBBpug07dGJLtxJIMC1QD +iCkxeB0QnAD5UjhBIdqTNijuZ2tv0EuqTuozAM0HqSVjKiQu3OnmpdTYB7yXZiE9V2h jaCG/zz1r07z/90Q8ZSX3/w7LB8Ynqg3vW7WTqL2lkqdQN1sxBv+F1dyn3hwkmTTWN87 4iKGoS4gAkPiJgdc14yK07ENqovhFsfeHPKpkdC3vFWFrVjR3xOzNk1cN0xSbUBlBlH7 FzKA== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E0Q1SKj0N3ntGNxHlUIaMrnk29KbLWz86OCR+CkE1t16lB6eyx2 n8wyVY6dZ2cMjzEJPwLMIsT8zl54AM+yVSq8EsXtGg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKLijNyhWy6ZY7EnR71QnjpJgkONJQk2QiIWcB1n2uUxPchU8qhQzUOHAmVBnmFH+aAdOYLYofhXv8mNuTE+a5c= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:428e:: with SMTP id h14-v6mr7362151ljf.136.1528220887524; Tue, 05 Jun 2018 10:48:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a2e:4b02:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Jun 2018 10:48:06 -0700 (PDT) From: edflecko Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2018 10:48:06 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Use openssl/devel instead of base OpenSSL? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.26 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2018 17:48:10 -0000 I've installed openssl-devel-1.1.0h_1 and want my system to use it rather than the default installed OpenSSL 1.0.2o After installing from the openssl/devel port, the command: openssl version still shows: OpenSSL 1.0.2o-freebsd 27 Mar 2018 How do I get my system to use the Devel version of OpenSSL instead? 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Links: ------ [1] ftp://vk3wac:7555@members.dodo.com.au/0987365299308858885968%2840%29.zip From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jun 6 13:17:59 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19B31FF5B05 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2018 13:17:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jkeenan@pobox.com) Received: from pb-smtp2.pobox.com (pb-smtp2.pobox.com [64.147.108.71]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A627873B3E for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2018 13:17:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jkeenan@pobox.com) Received: from pb-smtp2.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp2.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BB33E07CC; Wed, 6 Jun 2018 09:17:57 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=pobox.com; h=subject:to :references:from:message-id:date:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=sasl; bh=RCiKHz2RMmDM tqOvT+V6c1/82AY=; b=Ax4W4jTXbhpw8/cV3ICvnX+WpT18fATXOpNE6AvskeZD ORndlRnr6T9wfb05tXnzyJkseTashR2jRcYBEtg/FNmgbE0skxO437jiYdxr1RWs Lvop9YdKt/xYE1TU+F8dxHek01/HOY3B6lot5F6AVOquIHGbTil+1Hs1zVYkIzo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=pobox.com; h=subject:to :references:from:message-id:date:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=sasl; b=HsNaOn OxwT1RthGF1b308RmfH6jVMwfp+Y1gtlFt5eC1NChc2K3LKBgemIKR9mUR4n6t0t cdyE+HrufGCqWcEr3k6JyXRx5Wgzy+jENeE7djqMPE6zCrxtQGtqvn4D7c6k8kZV Ya4WUybkzhmi/hUgawM+q4HVB+szuSmphWoOk= Received: from pb-smtp2.nyi.icgroup.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp2.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84496E07CB; Wed, 6 Jun 2018 09:17:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.5] (unknown [24.185.115.142]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pb-smtp2.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 18017E07CA; Wed, 6 Jun 2018 09:17:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Unable to kill processes using either Ctrl-C or 'kill' To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <9a7f62c4-80aa-7eea-91ec-6712612a0451@pobox.com> From: James E Keenan Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2018 09:17:55 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Pobox-Relay-ID: 072C227A-698C-11E8-B198-67830C78B957-57062903!pb-smtp2.pobox.com X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2018 13:17:59 -0000 On 06/03/2018 03:03 PM, Michael Schuster wrote: > On Sun, Jun 3, 2018 at 8:47 PM, Duane Whitty wrote: > >> On Sun, Jun 3, 2018 at 1:20 PM, James E Keenan wrote: >> >>> On a FreeBSD-11 host, I am unable to kill processes using either Ctrl-C >> or >>> 'kill'. >>> >>> 1. The problem first became manifest when I was attempting to use Vagrant >>> to download a Vagrant box from vagrantup.com. The box in question was >> a >>> VirtualBox called 'generic/freebsd11'. I have successfully downloaded, >>> installed and used this box several times already, so I anticipated no >>> problems. >>> >>> ##### >>> $ vagrant init generic/freebsd11 >>> $ vagrant up --provision | tee vagrant-up-provision.log.20180603100900 >>> Bringing machine 'default' up with 'virtualbox' provider... >>> ==> default: Checking if box 'generic/freebsd11' is up to date... >>> ==> default: Clearing any previously set forwarded ports... >>> ==> default: Fixed port collision for 22 => 2222. Now on port 2202. >>> ==> default: Clearing any previously set network interfaces... >>> ==> default: Preparing network interfaces based on configuration... >>> default: Adapter 1: nat >>> ==> default: Forwarding ports... >>> default: 22 (guest) => 2202 (host) (adapter 1) >>> ==> default: Running 'pre-boot' VM customizations... >>> ==> default: Booting VM... >>> ==> default: Waiting for machine to boot. This may take a few minutes... >>> default: SSH address: 127.0.0.1:2202 >>> default: SSH username: vagrant >>> default: SSH auth method: private key >>> ##### >>> >>> Based on recent experience, I would have expected the "few minutes" to be >>> 1 or 2 minutes at most and possibly be accompanied by "retrying" methods. >>> >>> However, at this point, the screen hung indefinitely. I tried Ctrl-C; >>> that command was printed in my terminal but otherwise nothing happened. >>> >>> 2. I ssh-ed to the host in a fresh terminal and called >>> >>> ##### >>> tail -f vagrant-up-provision.log.20180603100900 >>> ##### >>> >>> That command displayed the output posted above and hung at the same >>> point. This process also could not be killed by Ctrl-C. >>> >>> 3. I then ssh-ed to the host in a third terminal, called 'ps aux', and >>> then tried to kill suspect processes with 'kill -9 '. Those >> processes >>> were not, in fact, killed; their status was changed to 'T' -- "Marks a >>> stopped process" according to 'man ps'. Some excerpts from 'ps auxwww': >>> >>> ##### >>> vmuser 7169 0.0 0.1 81356 4444 0 T+ 14:09 0:01.99 >>> /usr/local/bin/ruby24 /usr/local/bin/vagrant up --provision >>> ... >>> jkeenan 67787 0.0 0.0 6296 0 1 WW+ - 0:00.00 >>> tail -f /home/vmuser/vagrant-images/generic-freebsd11-201806030939/ >>> vagrant-up-provision.log.20180603100900 >>> ... >>> jkeenan 74119 0.0 0.0 7064 0 2 WW+ - 0:00.00 >>> /bin/sh /usr/bin/man ps >>> ##### >>> >>> 4. I have now opened quite a few connections to the host. If I issue a >>> command there such as 'man ps' or 'less' that entails paging, I can page >>> through the output, but the process does not close by itself and does not >>> respond to Ctrl-C. If I then try to kill that process from another >>> terminal, the best that happens is that its status gets changed to 'WW+' >> -- >>> "Marks an idle interrupt thread" and "The process is swapped out". >>> >>> Internet searches turn up links like this one, >>> https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/cant-kill-process-in-the- >>> stop-state.56319/, that suggest that there are certain processes that do >>> not respond to 'kill' signals. That seems to be what's happening here. >>> >>> Can anyone suggest the cause of the problem? >>> >>> Short of requesting that the sysadmin shut down and reboot the system, is >>> there anyway for a non-root user to solve this problem? >>> >>> Thank you very much. >>> Jim Keenan >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe >>> @freebsd.org" >>> >> >> >> Can you get added to sudoers? I realize that still implies a level of root >> access but I really don't know of any other way to kill processes which >> don't belong to you. I don't see why the sysadmin would need to reboot. >> > > most likely, being root or equivalent won't help in this case. If a > processes owner cannot kill it (using -9, which cannot be caught) that > implies that the process is hung in the kernel (signal delivery happens > when a process leaves kernel context). > > regards > Michael > Update: While some sysadmin intervention got the hangs cleared up on Sunday night, the problem recurred Tuesday morning. Once again, the hang occurred during 'vagrant up' at the "Waiting for machine to boot" point. Once again, that session refused to accept terminal input, so I could not Ctrl-C out of it. Once again, when I logged on from another terminal, any "vagrant xxx" command would hang -- even something as simple as "vagrant global-status". And once again, any command that entailed paging or interactivity would hang, e.g., 'less' would hang when it reached EOF. This output from 'top | cat' may support the "process is hung in the kernel" hypothesis: ##### $ top | cat last pid: 23582; load averages: 0.21, 0.15, 0.10 up 39+18:08:01 13:00:49 49 processes: 1 running, 25 sleeping, 3 stopped, 4 zombie, 16 waiting Mem: 4192K Active, 852K Inact, 56K Laundry, 7858M Wired, 42M Free ARC: 859M Total, 332M MFU, 161M MRU, 32K Anon, 12M Header, 353M Other 234M Compressed, 588M Uncompressed, 2.51:1 Ratio Swap: 4096M Total, 295M Used, 3801M Free, 7% Inuse PID USERNAME THR PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE C TIME WCPU COMMAND 21147 vmuser 22 20 0 2483M 2336M select 3 32:36 0.00% VBoxHeadless 84461 jkeenan 13 20 0 61840K 6136K select 0 27:14 0.00% VBoxSVC 95384 jkeenan 3 20 0 2380M 2245M STOP 2 26:59 0.00% VBoxHeadless 45500 jkeenan 23 20 0 438M 301M select 0 19:31 0.00% VBoxHeadless 83727 jkeenan 1 20 0 20664K 4856K select 3 8:59 0.00% VBoxXPCOMIPCD 94095 jkeenan 3 20 0 1303M 1165M STOP 1 8:41 0.00% VBoxHeadless ... ##### Note the high value for Wired memory. "Memory in use by the Kernel. This memory cannot be swapped out." (https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/134862/what-do-the-different-memory-counters-in-freebsd-mean#137254) I have not yet heard back from the sysadmin concerning this second occurrence, so any suggestions you might have would be appreciated. Thank you very much. Jim Keenan From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jun 6 17:34:30 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E316FDBE61 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2018 17:34:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peo@nethead.se) Received: from ns1.nethead.se (ns1.nethead.se [5.150.237.139]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "ns1.nethead.se", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CB2627ECEB for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2018 17:34:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peo@nethead.se) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at Nethead AB DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=nethead.se; s=NETHEADSE; t=1528306461; bh=ZyNMk/oTaAwAk8ClO+k0J6etC1XEyvsZX9kp8sS5+Mo=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=FSqEbu/ec+ZqVruc9btBZUh0R7lJlvXAeGaAjM7VJjYAoiTLMI4JvBeCRFYdbhqNE RL4nGmVylAEgQm+GrTJZClnbCpHWjqo98/sF1ZkZTVAmNBPjw9VIbcVH4FXl3zByG+ gBbpOVQ5Ke8e+Xy2czO7jUDZ4tj6LbW1vL83ddvU= Subject: Re: Help on the way with XR17V3521 Dual PCIe UART To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Per olof Ljungmark Message-ID: <3608b5c9-0ecf-dfe6-0bdc-65a058df39cd@nethead.se> Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2018 19:34:15 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2018 17:34:30 -0000 Solved, at least for my needs: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=228781 On 06/05/18 00:28, Per olof Ljungmark wrote: > Hi, > > A while ago XR17V3521 was added to share/misc/pci_vendors, and I happen > to have a card using that chip: > > none0@pci0:7:0:0: class=0x070002 card=0x00000000 chip=0x035213a8 > rev=0x03 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Exar Corp.' > device = 'XR17V3521 Dual PCIe UART' > class = simple comms > subclass = UART > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 7 00:21:37 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93907FE8CEF for ; 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Microsoft acquired Github for 7.5 billion dollars. https://www.theverge.com/2018/6/4/17422788/microsoft-github-acquisition-off= icial-deal --=20 Carmel From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 7 00:34:54 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF268FE9A3F for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 00:34:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gobble.wa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vk0-x22d.google.com (mail-vk0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 70A0C7402F for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 00:34:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gobble.wa@gmail.com) Received: by mail-vk0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id o17-v6so4965980vka.2 for ; Wed, 06 Jun 2018 17:34:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=72p4mNXPO4XVcV/6ZuNd1WY7GrI63FyXj0jiYHDoewk=; b=c1VkNiTtWlEwtTCS0vUg51J6ZlJOBocBJ/uWnz/BkC7TRgmVpYvEqDoN80wJ/lcb1Z GZti9WudH7lXxYpLUxERcAjU1dH6iriG5X05ctLzA6Jazn2ylKM+mjEUEFVnW1/ygtQI EcfdtMNm7DwvSS05XSLfOwueiZt9p8VqbhtkuAqpzFNrO7iw/GzRrno29c+2TSAVgEGK dGaAohQPYmIxbiD58bz9rzKyyukRrGkVwlr2ur0ybU7pOd9sUefJFpngDV/+IZDX9HB2 SaSVqrbL3sj2TNQeTjBPFRyoShopPXCuDpNhDHan+3kirsHcNbdh1zJq8MNhKSHmb+wr SwrA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=72p4mNXPO4XVcV/6ZuNd1WY7GrI63FyXj0jiYHDoewk=; b=mS4bECaV1vnRa9OR33JTlNehi/gjw6Oj7pEA9ttDjnSBIqbyHbmM2gL2OMimaNmqjS JeW2c4SaLTd/dl9P5yiBeDyFYLikZVn4vafeQtqkvc6NUZcEO28U4PqVkCe2lJTkbpNP mqCgRg7maGUulz0kn5beN4ST8al1SK4cjPEuh3m7pHiEDj44oAwS4t4CXUktyLYw4h30 gd4cKmAXaQUjlkfHaIlXmI0wMrXORFRtOG4heuEb8V3MTaOFuSkVRhxvqwyYpPK98gJg yk0bVIU2TyF3t7uY3WOzjVNFHUdKaQny8AfNbuJhj0GVC68edpCCaYJFDaJleS/aEbAN odjA== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E0oABn4dWL3ws9g5C1s2KBFQjz8WXhucHzKmfuugVbFWxbpi83V b1uY9s75x001to+IXGjCSJDSzchE9Fu2+eIShraylA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKI/SVNUL9/i/NALgrSXnHd0icI3n8LCsc80jkJaayDFlD31fnNtpjCVJXA4GQWcLeAV3n0Jih/PuX4sQ/8+gyQ= X-Received: by 2002:a1f:b706:: with SMTP id h6-v6mr3435327vkf.190.1528331693054; Wed, 06 Jun 2018 17:34:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a67:5d06:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Wed, 6 Jun 2018 17:34:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Waitman Gobble Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2018 20:34:52 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Microsoft github acquisition official To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2018 00:34:55 -0000 On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 8:21 PM, Carmel NY wrote: > I just heard that the deal was official. Microsoft acquired Github for > 7.5 billion dollars. > > https://www.theverge.com/2018/6/4/17422788/microsoft-github-acquisition-official-deal > > -- > Carmel > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" The FreeBSD code should probably be moved from GH. I believe it's read-only but it could cause some conflicts with MS namespace? I see the FreeBSD Gnome ports there are the top, for instance. -- Waitman Gobble From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 7 00:52:38 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A90BFEA713 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 00:52:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca) Received: from doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (doctor.nl2k.ab.ca [204.209.81.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C53D874B28 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 00:52:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca) Received: from doctor by doctor.nl2k.ab.ca with local (Exim 4.91 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1fQj57-0002Mg-Fu for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 06 Jun 2018 18:47:13 -0600 Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2018 18:47:13 -0600 From: The Doctor To: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Microsoft github acquisition official Message-ID: <20180607004713.GA5071@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.0 (2018-05-17) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2018 00:52:38 -0000 On Thu, Jun 07, 2018 at 12:21:34AM +0000, Carmel NY wrote: > I just heard that the deal was official. Microsoft acquired Github for > 7.5 billion dollars. > > https://www.theverge.com/2018/6/4/17422788/microsoft-github-acquisition-official-deal > Definitely the case! Time for an opengit.org! > -- > Carmel > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Member - Liberal International This is doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Yahweh, Queen & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising! https://www.empire.kred/ROOTNK?t=94a1f39b Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism To avoid criticism do nothing, say nothing, be nothing. -Elbert Hubbard From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 7 00:52:41 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24916FEA71C for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 00:52:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca) Received: from doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (doctor.nl2k.ab.ca [204.209.81.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8BC7B74B29 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 00:52:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca) Received: from doctor by doctor.nl2k.ab.ca with local (Exim 4.91 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1fQj6I-0002R0-RG; Wed, 06 Jun 2018 18:48:26 -0600 Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2018 18:48:26 -0600 From: The Doctor To: Waitman Gobble Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Microsoft github acquisition official Message-ID: <20180607004826.GB5071@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.0 (2018-05-17) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2018 00:52:41 -0000 On Wed, Jun 06, 2018 at 08:34:52PM -0400, Waitman Gobble wrote: > On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 8:21 PM, Carmel NY wrote: > > I just heard that the deal was official. Microsoft acquired Github for > > 7.5 billion dollars. > > > > https://www.theverge.com/2018/6/4/17422788/microsoft-github-acquisition-official-deal > > > > -- > > Carmel > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > The FreeBSD code should probably be moved from GH. I believe it's > read-only but it could cause some conflicts with MS namespace? I see > the FreeBSD Gnome ports there are the top, for instance. > Agreed to a git.freebsd.org . > > -- > Waitman Gobble > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Member - Liberal International This is doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Yahweh, Queen & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising! https://www.empire.kred/ROOTNK?t=94a1f39b Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism To avoid criticism do nothing, say nothing, be nothing. -Elbert Hubbard From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 7 02:30:47 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93133FEF5DA for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 02:30:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.73]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EB7267844A for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 02:30:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.97.38]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue103 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0MNeGY-1fKg9010jy-007HXh; Thu, 07 Jun 2018 04:30:20 +0200 Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2018 04:30:18 +0200 From: Polytropon To: The Doctor Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Microsoft github acquisition official Message-Id: <20180607043018.7725d047.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20180607004826.GB5071@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> References: <20180607004826.GB5071@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:hcKeH+aLAqtUvvo1EIu4MmJuslUsp8fQI52WiG3cYOmbeRyts5D o7i1m3kJafVQjbsdbjD18ADjwMMrWt+qtUERI4Iwd/TeV0pWQ5WMYbTh3INlSuM8sRBYrQn lmUQSj1ngX5gInpKnGvZw1NyaDjOdqQ34i7YtFMJCCyKv4IdNRKfNV2FzJIrwdfQ55csOd9 9ofDM162Jy0iVnTKZSBgA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:t9fZMalDG4o=:oAqZ6/xPPqzuzi/pOZtF+C /meQhcdVmN64j60DBFW3h28gAMQHp8ASKb5NtPilgFSwmKbWSpOU/SwdfzCeo3BAmhUpRJy3H qb7SzXPCqE57CeHP2vPtBSsKxYZxwl/qtE/84VR7KAs5TEivXCzdibc8UmjVPK1TOwCORaJUN 0UwlUsLDzAolWvWM1Famas2CTzycMHgMYs1WwPb0Hxj8Jr16UkDzkNhMF9ASUOZeltUElpLbw KrOft9VeBSqmcCbC3usDmLe+Kh3JNcNYTWuxJBlBT8Tb+bi0HDANQyxv3GSqZnp8y/0Oj7C7o w1U482MVtqtFU729bSIXHQlKCowd4vMW0vYrIjNXl/EJfTZsCGpW2moMirMQPiujEO4Pdl0AJ LgfF/pE6fPfa2P0gUJkRnpoKDwoPcdbacX4jc1Zsi1yIJwQGlSQjCFspoidDC4LVBRvt5u9x9 LgstsZO5R5TbvCyjDNBjqpOopbRv5oqGxQePMWzazyBHN/mYi/ygimliSFFbtWWZgQftsKjKA lFIYtg4Qc0EFnw0zGWdQO5Xc4kz7gNgflULijkaiInv9/JsSfBWWNayRy7Bk10DWv5POk3xYv 9TtHOZ3hcH6sbrZZghS2QEIiZ2LIz/wQ+Yj8hO0KjEOUV7+wlqsaoosstJ/1NZ5fdgvRuZN1P ODFlSnb+jvP+31AAqG7AuaUYuMxNtDDGFqdFh34JDSYEVjN0KWK4Q+p/TQkYAcK9aswMX5Cod jgtirgXHLLd89Rev X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2018 02:30:47 -0000 On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 18:48:26 -0600, The Doctor wrote: > On Wed, Jun 06, 2018 at 08:34:52PM -0400, Waitman Gobble wrote: > > [...] > > The FreeBSD code should probably be moved from GH. I believe it's > > read-only but it could cause some conflicts with MS namespace? I see > > the FreeBSD Gnome ports there are the top, for instance. > > > > Agreed to a git.freebsd.org . MICROS~1 never would have bought CVS... ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 7 07:13:00 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1861FD146D for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 07:13:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B124581A96 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 07:12:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1528355537; x=1530947537; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=+ni+3o/g8Cdm1vBehM6lMxmQZ1sePpVlL7HclKQXFdE=; b=OO8TRisSF43EvHwWKeN6XRp073SMihlt0bSVaL+enXs65R2JphjmZQ3dzIA2T0yO2yu8oAcGBsdJEEnZQPAUsNc+eHb716/m3dtmOWKgVswO2GqahFpwV1dDuZ0HAdqnKuhQfa6Kd9jUYiNU6Fk8ytVumLqZn9XCcujK/Hn/vCY= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xOGQwMDAwMDBkY2UxZDYuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r5.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r5.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com [52.204.195.176]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Thu, 7 Jun 2018 03:12:07 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [89.127.62.20]) by r5.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Thu, 7 Jun 2018 03:12:06 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.90_1 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1fQp5X-000Ov4-V7; Thu, 07 Jun 2018 07:12:04 +0000 Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2018 08:12:03 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: The Doctor Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Microsoft github acquisition official Message-Id: <20180607081203.f74acbb7802284800060ad93@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20180607004713.GA5071@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> References: <20180607004713.GA5071@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.1) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2018 07:13:00 -0000 On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 18:47:13 -0600 The Doctor wrote: > On Thu, Jun 07, 2018 at 12:21:34AM +0000, Carmel NY wrote: > > I just heard that the deal was official. Microsoft acquired Github for > > 7.5 billion dollars. > > > > https://www.theverge.com/2018/6/4/17422788/microsoft-github-acquisition-official-deal > > > > Definitely the case! > > Time for an opengit.org! Erm Gitlab ? From the Gitlab wikipedia entry: ---------------- In June 2018, the acquisition of competitor GitHub by Microsoft[24][25] caused a migration of over 250,000 projects to GitLab[26]. ---------------- and June's hardly started. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 7 08:58:03 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FF64FDBEAA for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 08:58:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek.cedro@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ua0-x22a.google.com (mail-ua0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c08::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BCB568645D for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 08:58:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek.cedro@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ua0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id k14-v6so5953482uao.12 for ; Thu, 07 Jun 2018 01:58:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to; bh=RbGciz2Yd1X0x2yZNmCyJFd7lxbo/JIlkDne+uiHjl0=; b=Uvg+LbD1lXiiCXhOUirXEdUYiXTkLZMz1summt9IpxbK17h86OXGtWpWRIyQLYazSU qAWgH0ChXMpvXErg/6graWsrg7r9hyYbDbJwCy/hHbq5H/jbZg6x57wLNMT2LxoaV7pB 7+WTXVFQRrtEZ+7Mk+LpfHncg1ccmYPJDGxIKU4k8YqjTUTyvkL0epmBd9l1xYf9l2JL kQ8O0rYPfniaAAdGr77oOf73q6kwz6ElAY2WV+LZiU63YUKRh8T1mfwWGqLmB01fTFD9 PW+67WTvszHQ5FMWAh+dl25mwIfBEyF5aflhL35RXXQDrLlMMPa1K3rxZjkdUrF7o0tc geWw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to; bh=RbGciz2Yd1X0x2yZNmCyJFd7lxbo/JIlkDne+uiHjl0=; b=alakaYbQtgvraYiDuBclASmDzvb9eoXs5c0OEcc/dJryu8QpzVedFX8yVc4zz80TOs HI9tv9mHpUBJDEm5K/OEXWJ0R5INc5gakAmH4yyprGblc6WDNaVlAh5XkChpux8AZVtN lOLnC5nruc2+80H+YHBpuhlgT1l3TTqL3W94nLhZSebaNHpmTlDYGMXKAijHg3b7K19S ez7GeDaJXj9iU/bMkW9RvyX9UXjJJmu59XNRhtzU/xc4CFPNhSxavZw2CyUVxr9xjMo3 UL17rcTCRJZke0WvVfar+ZaBlpy77tryDyDE69H0gL6H1zMc+L21G/0ku3hDMOVm2Xfw sEAw== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E3xJoVDhzprzrBRj4S6tajTHxKLSlbGWC4D+lBbouMq9W++TEyR 6edjLrbaQ18U7aFK0IfjbPIHRqhSNR5BohxUUqw+EC4mVAM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKJxui0arb16OD/P7HhD2buI0vra3NQHXPFQagp3A8Gg2uTjjtfvETc8RqfaTjOHTcbLGyKtG8EmKcvHzOba0Qg= X-Received: by 2002:ab0:5c6d:: with SMTP id a45-v6mr589990uag.105.1528361881362; Thu, 07 Jun 2018 01:58:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: tomek.cedro@gmail.com Received: by 2002:a9f:3b44:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 01:57:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: CeDeROM Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2018 10:57:40 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: vYzBIyxszZhvqBFhSVnh_PEd1Cw Message-ID: Subject: Re: Microsoft github acquisition official To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2018 08:58:03 -0000 On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 2:21 AM, Carmel NY wrote: > I just heard that the deal was official. Microsoft acquired Github for > 7.5 billion dollars. > > https://www.theverge.com/2018/6/4/17422788/microsoft-github-acquisition-official-deal GitLab is a very nice Open-Source alternative! :-) https://gitlab.com/ -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 7 09:35:49 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EF2DFDD8BE for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 09:35:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carmel_ny@outlook.com) Received: from NAM04-CO1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-co1nam04olkn0804.outbound.protection.outlook.com [IPv6:2a01:111:f400:fe4d::804]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.protection.outlook.com", Issuer "Microsoft IT TLS CA 4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EA3E9878B9 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 09:35:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carmel_ny@outlook.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <7BE2B0079C41584FB9834B3B3961CFD1@namprd20.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MS-Office365-Filtering-Correlation-Id: 9785120b-ee57-40f4-f556-08d5cc57e61c X-OriginatorOrg: outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-RMS-PersistedConsumerOrg: 9a4e3081-9524-43cf-bfc3-dcaef82d5da1 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 9785120b-ee57-40f4-f556-08d5cc57e61c X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-rms-persistedconsumerorg: 9a4e3081-9524-43cf-bfc3-dcaef82d5da1 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 07 Jun 2018 09:20:24.5796 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Internet X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 84df9e7f-e9f6-40af-b435-aaaaaaaaaaaa X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: CO1NAM04HT117 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2018 09:35:49 -0000 On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 08:12:03 +0100, Steve O'Hara-Smith stated: >On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 18:47:13 -0600 >The Doctor wrote: > >> On Thu, Jun 07, 2018 at 12:21:34AM +0000, Carmel NY wrote: =20 >> > I just heard that the deal was official. Microsoft acquired Github for >> > 7.5 billion dollars. >> >=20 >> > https://www.theverge.com/2018/6/4/17422788/microsoft-github-acquisitio= n-official-deal >> > =20 >>=20 >> Definitely the case! >>=20 >> Time for an opengit.org! =20 > > Erm Gitlab ? From the Gitlab wikipedia entry: > >---------------- >In June 2018, the acquisition of competitor GitHub by Microsoft[24][25] >caused a migration of over 250,000 projects to GitLab[26]. >---------------- > > and June's hardly started. > "gitlab" isn't free though. --=20 Carmel From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 7 09:55:13 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05C5EFDE5E5 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 09:55:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from FreeBSD@shaneware.biz) Received: from ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net (ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net [150.101.137.133]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 299EC8845D for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 09:55:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from FreeBSD@shaneware.biz) Received: from 124-169-213-169.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO leader.local) ([124.169.213.169]) by ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 07 Jun 2018 19:19:48 +0930 Subject: Re: Microsoft github acquisition official Cc: FreeBSD References: <20180607004713.GA5071@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> <20180607081203.f74acbb7802284800060ad93@sohara.org> From: Shane Ambler Message-ID: <7027dbfb-36a1-3281-9bf9-b17833aacb3b@ShaneWare.Biz> Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2018 19:19:47 +0930 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20180607081203.f74acbb7802284800060ad93@sohara.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-AU Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2018 09:55:13 -0000 On 07/06/2018 16:42, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 18:47:13 -0600 > The Doctor wrote: > >> On Thu, Jun 07, 2018 at 12:21:34AM +0000, Carmel NY wrote: >>> I just heard that the deal was official. Microsoft acquired Github for >>> 7.5 billion dollars. >>> >>> https://www.theverge.com/2018/6/4/17422788/microsoft-github-acquisition-official-deal >>> >> >> Definitely the case! >> >> Time for an opengit.org! > > Erm Gitlab ? From the Gitlab wikipedia entry: > > ---------------- > In June 2018, the acquisition of competitor GitHub by Microsoft[24][25] > caused a migration of over 250,000 projects to GitLab[26]. > ---------------- > > and June's hardly started. > Bitbucket would be the other main one to migrate to but their 2G storage limit might keep gitlab more popular. While ports have USE_GITHUB, there aren't similar options for other repo sources. Time to think about expanding this feature. -- FreeBSD - the place to B...Software Developing Shane Ambler From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 7 10:37:00 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FBC0FE0018 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 10:37:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carmel_ny@outlook.com) Received: from NAM02-SN1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-oln040092005053.outbound.protection.outlook.com [40.92.5.53]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.protection.outlook.com", Issuer "Microsoft IT TLS CA 4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0355F899BE for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 10:35:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carmel_ny@outlook.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=outlook.com; s=selector1; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; 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FPR:; SPF:None; PTR:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; A:1; LANG:; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: outlook.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) authentication-results: spf=none (sender IP is ) smtp.mailfrom=carmel_ny@outlook.com; x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: A5grNC2SosLp1f9hIjzrJbIcMRwSi38l2rEgQ/s70MOVb8YIAN7ZFlJqIgmU/KTkXiFOByFFSJOlpT3K0k3/dtn5NEkh1whFL3T8TfEAdt2i+WLk5Dg9lG9lxbt0oSi+Rr16e4vyHfBedz5W74jmsmFl5bH4QHPRtLBhB9scv8Y5ODIJYGlLsZLham9u9qOM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <83215D516A4DA34FB9B9D99BAD1FBC4B@namprd20.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MS-Office365-Filtering-Correlation-Id: e68ad1af-f03d-44b4-5074-08d5cc62616d X-OriginatorOrg: outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-RMS-PersistedConsumerOrg: 9a4e3081-9524-43cf-bfc3-dcaef82d5da1 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: e68ad1af-f03d-44b4-5074-08d5cc62616d X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-rms-persistedconsumerorg: 9a4e3081-9524-43cf-bfc3-dcaef82d5da1 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 07 Jun 2018 10:35:25.9646 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Internet X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 84df9e7f-e9f6-40af-b435-aaaaaaaaaaaa X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: CY1NAM02HT083 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2018 10:37:00 -0000 On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 10:57:40 +0200, CeDeROM stated: >On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 2:21 AM, Carmel NY wrote: >> I just heard that the deal was official. Microsoft acquired Github for >> 7.5 billion dollars. >> >> https://www.theverge.com/2018/6/4/17422788/microsoft-github-acquisition-= official-deal =20 > >GitLab is a very nice Open-Source alternative! :-) > >https://gitlab.com/ Perhaps, but there are costs involved. In any case, I am not sure what this "FUD" can be attributed to. I have pretty much adhered to a, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" concept in business. --=20 Carmel From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 7 10:46:50 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0533BFE0612 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 10:46:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C24C589F84 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 10:46:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1528368410; x=1530960410; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=lFk/wLCuwhnWOIAyNKgsRYUIneHenq2dhI0FRjFWoiI=; b=QCj4lu5B5z8oDlrLb/tToc3Y9EZPJXCQ9bzr21RBoMmy+V5LbJp+TcNQxRgzgCnu+Ylr1ZdYvjdyWHi0B05ZTKiujw/mJl7+II4GGsnnOW4e7TCx6Z+uR9Ht9fRyySujHSR3xGyQrkTDOsbjefW5EOwm3fbB7Hw+Xo1vBlVccto= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xOGQwMDAwMDBkZTQwYWIuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r4.h.in.socketlabs.com (s1-b40f.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.180.15]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Thu, 7 Jun 2018 06:46:46 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [89.127.62.20]) by r4.h.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Thu, 7 Jun 2018 06:46:46 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.90_1 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1fQsRI-00009B-3U for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2018 10:46:44 +0000 Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2018 11:46:43 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft github acquisition official Message-Id: <20180607114643.049730a17f60ce384242129f@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: <20180607004713.GA5071@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> <20180607081203.f74acbb7802284800060ad93@sohara.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.1) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2018 10:46:50 -0000 On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 09:20:24 +0000 Carmel NY wrote: > On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 08:12:03 +0100, Steve O'Hara-Smith stated: > > > Erm Gitlab ? From the Gitlab wikipedia entry: > > > >---------------- > >In June 2018, the acquisition of competitor GitHub by Microsoft[24][25] > >caused a migration of over 250,000 projects to GitLab[26]. > >---------------- > > > > and June's hardly started. > > > > "gitlab" isn't free though. There's a free option for hosted projects and there's an open source edition - seems free enough for most purposes. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 7 11:20:02 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E9D5FE1964 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 11:20:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gobble.wa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ua0-x236.google.com (mail-ua0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c08::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CDA478B0FD for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 11:16:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gobble.wa@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ua0-x236.google.com with SMTP id z16-v6so6205769uaz.10 for ; Thu, 07 Jun 2018 04:16:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=OW8D8g5fW/rY3hX1QYfgpr9jSC9u6mVM0RObS1OCIlE=; b=ee9t05Hz8Je/5+333p14qDqzPR1cl5J2FlRYmbIPqvCb6HLPPbQaaawHl+vLLQ5rLf 5Ol/sOl2Cza4XctjW7l5G/praSy/tAjIM1ihPiNbm6Wji+uVEhUtKxk4KksbeGpeco+1 EVMSrqQIQtD1Lknd0An6AHsfgyAZhngCwYWyIveCN1cyzhxXf4m7Yh0lDsAWVjvYTbT2 gZeP4OEIdqnKYD1gDTX+UAYZ6iBF4izJ5BEfFDaa3LwrOiNQYCrkJdwLA67sQzPr1H0T KE+4r2vyN02yxBrjR+9yfRkYJyI2sxqYj3XzCeed1tWN8Dz5DQbf1UsDGGL5CfvWpPj/ g7Fw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=OW8D8g5fW/rY3hX1QYfgpr9jSC9u6mVM0RObS1OCIlE=; b=W5gRXzFKjLvb/SisC2SWkrZ86xgxZH40My/cMablK3XEqNNvw3no3Xqm91cJ/7vW3Z Y4J7FEYZnqMhvvwWe9aNAugspziu6gnQ9UQkC2LasNaUyEHYO+EirfytlL0anGpxRGUs 1NmQ58rJ/mfWlt1+uWojiyW//v4B+L8i91Dn2126D/3kkhHHE4YGAFRng94bKEPKKrJ6 pDFXCHg7paPHyZPEZzSs3IFegqCEiewnouPi0Fvz3ahK5RrP218Y0TVd30fn0YMHSTXc CVG8lSZf69xXUooyd7NbxCcPZ3FSBmx88+KdIqQSLdnt8R/yG4K/rSRS1OhcLkVytY1q LYJw== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E1B6k6l8fpZVrDVTYQl3wEUXQvYNgS7QxT8PJa1zCYgGo/2wZVs ENiYDhpLGtY1yO8nqgnsznFOgf8MTRwGIw5EV/4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKLY/9py2O/TbxF80Be5uUijC+PnXrf0Yg6wwnK+lSvavp1liH+22yusVLuuRJ9gPCPYgxOG6kjcrdlKfjf58oU= X-Received: by 2002:ab0:1795:: with SMTP id r21-v6mr859097uaf.133.1528370193979; Thu, 07 Jun 2018 04:16:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Waitman Gobble Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2018 07:14:57 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Microsoft github acquisition official To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.26 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2018 11:20:02 -0000 On Thu, Jun 7, 2018, 6:41 AM Carmel NY wrote: > On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 10:57:40 +0200, CeDeROM stated: > > >On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 2:21 AM, Carmel NY wrote: > >> I just heard that the deal was official. Microsoft acquired Github for > >> 7.5 billion dollars. > >> > >> > https://www.theverge.com/2018/6/4/17422788/microsoft-github-acquisition-official-deal > > > > >GitLab is a very nice Open-Source alternative! :-) > > > >https://gitlab.com/ > > Perhaps, but there are costs involved. In any case, I am not sure what this > "FUD" can be attributed to. I have pretty much adhered to a, "If it ain't > broke, don't fix it" concept in business. > > -- > Carmel > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > MS has a history and a reputation. I don't buy their "lets be friends" initiative. They are like an Uncle who molested sister, got rehabilitated and now wants to hang out with the kids. um, no. I'm guessing patent lawsuits will pop up. They have access to all the private repos too, From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 7 11:29:03 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DB72FE1FBF for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 11:29:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca) Received: from doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (doctor.nl2k.ab.ca [204.209.81.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0114D8B94F for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 11:29:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca) Received: from doctor by doctor.nl2k.ab.ca with local (Exim 4.91 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1fQt5u-000KhX-AC; Thu, 07 Jun 2018 05:28:42 -0600 Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2018 05:28:42 -0600 From: The Doctor To: Steve O'Hara-Smith Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Microsoft github acquisition official Message-ID: <20180607112842.GA76596@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> References: <20180607004713.GA5071@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> <20180607081203.f74acbb7802284800060ad93@sohara.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20180607081203.f74acbb7802284800060ad93@sohara.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.0 (2018-05-17) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2018 11:29:03 -0000 On Thu, Jun 07, 2018 at 08:12:03AM +0100, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 18:47:13 -0600 > The Doctor wrote: > > > On Thu, Jun 07, 2018 at 12:21:34AM +0000, Carmel NY wrote: > > > I just heard that the deal was official. Microsoft acquired Github for > > > 7.5 billion dollars. > > > > > > https://www.theverge.com/2018/6/4/17422788/microsoft-github-acquisition-official-deal > > > > > > > Definitely the case! > > > > Time for an opengit.org! > > Erm Gitlab ? From the Gitlab wikipedia entry: > > ---------------- > In June 2018, the acquisition of competitor GitHub by Microsoft[24][25] > caused a migration of over 250,000 projects to GitLab[26]. > ---------------- > > and June's hardly started. > Good!!! > -- > Steve O'Hara-Smith > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Member - Liberal International This is doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Yahweh, Queen & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising! https://www.empire.kred/ROOTNK?t=94a1f39b Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism To avoid criticism do nothing, say nothing, be nothing. -Elbert Hubbard From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 7 12:44:07 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7348FE666B for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 12:44:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julien@perdition.city) Received: from relay-b03.edpnet.be (relay-b03.edpnet.be [212.71.1.220]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "edpnet.email", Issuer "Go Daddy Secure Certificate Authority - G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3E5478EBA7 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 12:44:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julien@perdition.city) X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1528374836-0a88184afc303ad0001-jLrpzn Received: from mordor.lan (213.219.145.67.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net [213.219.145.67]) by relay-b03.edpnet.be with ESMTP id lJMrMkAFit0wm8ox (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 07 Jun 2018 14:33:57 +0200 (CEST) X-Barracuda-Envelope-From: julien@perdition.city X-Barracuda-Effective-Source-IP: 213.219.145.67.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net[213.219.145.67] X-Barracuda-Apparent-Source-IP: 213.219.145.67 Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2018 14:33:56 +0200 From: Julien Cigar To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Lenovo P52S compatibility Message-ID: <20180607123356.GN48472@mordor.lan> X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Lenovo P52S compatibility MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="FX+Db2fp7WJhXKrW" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.2 (2017-12-15) X-Barracuda-Connect: 213.219.145.67.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net[213.219.145.67] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1528374836 X-Barracuda-Encrypted: ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 X-Barracuda-URL: https://212.71.1.220:443/cgi-mod/mark.cgi X-Virus-Scanned: by bsmtpd at edpnet.be X-Barracuda-Scan-Msg-Size: 374 X-Barracuda-BRTS-Status: 1 X-Barracuda-Bayes: INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.6608 1.0000 1.0909 X-Barracuda-Spam-Score: 1.59 X-Barracuda-Spam-Status: No, SCORE=1.59 using global scores of TAG_LEVEL=1000.0 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=1000.0 KILL_LEVEL=7.0 tests=BSF_SC0_MV0713, BSF_SC0_MV0713_2 X-Barracuda-Spam-Report: Code version 3.2, rules version 3.2.3.51723 Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.30 BSF_SC0_MV0713_2 BSF_SC0_MV0713_2 0.20 BSF_SC0_MV0713 Custom rule MV0713 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2018 12:44:07 -0000 --FX+Db2fp7WJhXKrW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, All is in the title: any idea if the Lenovo P52S is compatible with FreeBSD ? Thanks ! Julien --=20 Julien Cigar Belgian Biodiversity Platform (http://www.biodiversity.be) PGP fingerprint: EEF9 F697 4B68 D275 7B11 6A25 B2BB 3710 A204 23C0 No trees were killed in the creation of this message. However, many electrons were terribly inconvenienced. --FX+Db2fp7WJhXKrW Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCgAdFiEE7vn2l0to0nV7EWolsrs3EKIEI8AFAlsZJjAACgkQsrs3EKIE I8AZRg//WpnRi6jII10VTo2ZHT99rJUQqURM542bbQfKhN/8/KPmjiwj0fGeJkf+ KtVlOwHAl7R4Qo1yyO461WiQxermVbkjd19gs0vVKpUNHk68EQlUb+hCkME6501o m9ZykRclvJp4zEP7I1yB9lgBHLQq2rCZuXcN5fHaj/CCkikFc0AjA6Nag8l2rRh9 GUKD7UPSUVqynIIEqM7dhqTwJjJfrmsiy/OiTpxT4t5pnNxzK2misbFBWal5wbbO YtVxAKdL9q9aR6xhL7OGlvaCcK/dFnzNiVL0JmeGSAIJXjj00juJ+u0haZrVmh/E CQGt5JCw0WD/MKqVy6LGa2j4MWTQx+ZErzmaC5kcBhq6lP38CxaGD6jpm2S03DFD LxUT1Xq7/8dCd8zWo6TNn3WjWI5D7Rg84YjfyDo+eW4cLrazPyEoSqc140hPBMuS 3sh2ljBQS4FLn4Zldev9PKnJ9Ixj0niByYnYpGTEZFZo0aY0GKXrX1xp4ktEVkKo cM7lI12Tnj5v1enPUL8gxQdFsQrgBS49Lf85EAdIxwuhLpCrLLNN+g23w/Z9YVH4 Lr9d679Zho5d8VxO9aPO4x0BiyWkpVkqg04jRbvfKPMUN45xjvTsRSNkgnGTmpkZ gw6Gn+1h85XS7dMdI/IVbzsOS0vq9A9ZoKogmR57aGyac4qAuFo= =HSQl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --FX+Db2fp7WJhXKrW-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 7 13:07:35 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2C05FE6F4A for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 13:07:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F6ED8F953 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 13:07:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id E4B63CB8D34; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 08:07:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 108.68.163.235 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 08:07:28 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <55268.108.68.163.235.1528376848.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: References: <20180607004713.GA5071@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> <20180607081203.f74acbb7802284800060ad93@sohara.org> Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2018 08:07:28 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Microsoft github acquisition official From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "FreeBSD" Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2018 13:07:35 -0000 On Thu, June 7, 2018 4:20 am, Carmel NY wrote: > On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 08:12:03 +0100, Steve O'Hara-Smith stated: > >>On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 18:47:13 -0600 >>The Doctor wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Jun 07, 2018 at 12:21:34AM +0000, Carmel NY wrote: >>> > I just heard that the deal was official. Microsoft acquired Github >>> for >>> > 7.5 billion dollars. >>> > >>> > https://www.theverge.com/2018/6/4/17422788/microsoft-github-acquisition-official-deal >>> > >>> >>> Definitely the case! >>> >>> Time for an opengit.org! >> >> Erm Gitlab ? From the Gitlab wikipedia entry: >> >>---------------- >>In June 2018, the acquisition of competitor GitHub by Microsoft[24][25] >>caused a migration of over 250,000 projects to GitLab[26]. >>---------------- >> >> and June's hardly started. >> > > "gitlab" isn't free though. > Nothing is free. The electric bills, network service, hardware, sysadmins, programmers and engineers are to be paid. If you are let use something "for free" it just means you are paying some other way. Say, in case of google "free" services at the very minimum you are paying by facilitating big brother's job... Valeri > -- > Carmel > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 7 14:06:00 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4B90FEC5FA for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 14:06:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gobble.wa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ua0-x232.google.com (mail-ua0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c08::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0CE1E6AFD3 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 14:05:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gobble.wa@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ua0-x232.google.com with SMTP id x18-v6so6573708uaj.9 for ; Thu, 07 Jun 2018 07:05:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Dv2uaXvt4O/Ko89y4b+TLhTEg1DufuKM3Ygz1DF0lZI=; b=kjS0B72OaP3Nlkm1m5Uoso0gjFAROa/Ad2zem1m9dFdx+CsOlVoDDP+8QFbS8uAr73 nb1yZdfZfe4D0pYAlaOJBRXt4J6OttEOPwYB0YH97EP+tcXBl03VXc/rkm4wL0eZ5F/h 4JxNbM+IA/BTu5yT8EnkOQhvr13IfvmNdIBbCbTLKLoV2f7aI3g7BtoSHg7m7l2rttc0 SDtysJoGijVQNelfeGGDPktDx88IKvMEdN5t1pDsI485vnKYDSvyWjo8nS9Dlm/IXCB1 /32qDUzw9tlt5tcXwnFVv4rHIB4A7MKJomZTQqRrdgTtzRZemF8tsPnfYEz2sQA2W7vB vTLw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=Dv2uaXvt4O/Ko89y4b+TLhTEg1DufuKM3Ygz1DF0lZI=; b=M2OZpTjxpL4k4pYPJ8ZvCGqM9BJgzxcP4uUivfM39yomX20Gz3lUxQo5RETxmHpBfd 98AiVl0/O3QTyWsInmgv9FK71pMN/hPI9TqxhnLiEtH2pWX15kWhCCI+FfVLmDC0uYuQ n3NX3EJs5p5pnTZoWPz8i/wsAroBKOM8XA1ybGPYozUT460o3V+WscaLjqhe5E7zwNCw 2XwF9vS5M1IchBvoWk95S7OsntK4+UZCrLZI2HWAg2w6/QpDiCJqqGxkYjnbA+8h+6Om H1M7C5k+8YixI/X/pOg8GX51yhUqtX33Wk4Fbr/1AzxYdPdUR/Y3zBdBFW8KehKRGFSM qknw== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E3aBKrxXBEf8O0LhpTgx5hxZ5YqdQRFmu7PwwJQwlRdoug3qOjM 5dDt/G3HawisXzDmPQRCW40YHDONLXQ7ENOIM4sc0A== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKKkIhy+MidLq5GU3aSXt8ZYnsmoD7AgIYDl6iqS7gjDu8SI0ErhfPpRVUIycsfjgU6DnCFJeU767MInQTp7c1s= X-Received: by 2002:a9f:2823:: with SMTP id c32-v6mr1370177uac.193.1528380311519; Thu, 07 Jun 2018 07:05:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a67:5d06:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 07:05:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20180607123356.GN48472@mordor.lan> References: <20180607123356.GN48472@mordor.lan> From: Waitman Gobble Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2018 10:05:10 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Lenovo P52S compatibility To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2018 14:06:00 -0000 On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Julien Cigar wrote: > Hello, > > All is in the title: any idea if the Lenovo P52S is compatible with > FreeBSD ? > > Thanks ! > Julien > > > -- > Julien Cigar > Belgian Biodiversity Platform (http://www.biodiversity.be) > PGP fingerprint: EEF9 F697 4B68 D275 7B11 6A25 B2BB 3710 A204 23C0 > No trees were killed in the creation of this message. > However, many electrons were terribly inconvenienced. P500 should work fine with latest NVidia driver. I have a T530 with Nvidia, for FreeBSD it needs to be set to NVidia only (or Intel HD only). (in BIOS) There's a third option that switches GPU based on power and that does not work with FreeBSD. The P52S may have the same feature? Intel 8265 / Wifi might be an issue, you may need to run Current/Head. It's not clear to me if the driver update is in 11.2. If you are using the LTE/GSM card, I am not sure if that works? Maybe somebody else does. I don't think you will have issues with anything else. -- Waitman Gobble From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 7 14:40:46 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58A77FF8A42 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 14:40:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julien@perdition.city) Received: from relay-b02.edpnet.be (relay-b02.edpnet.be [212.71.1.222]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "edpnet.email", Issuer "Go Daddy Secure Certificate Authority - G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E10456C80E for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 14:40:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julien@perdition.city) X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1528381278-0a7b8d4a10320050001-jLrpzn Received: from mordor.lan (213.219.145.67.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net [213.219.145.67]) by relay-b02.edpnet.be with ESMTP id rVHmqm6sSvsCnzgr (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 07 Jun 2018 16:21:19 +0200 (CEST) X-Barracuda-Envelope-From: julien@perdition.city X-Barracuda-Effective-Source-IP: 213.219.145.67.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net[213.219.145.67] X-Barracuda-Apparent-Source-IP: 213.219.145.67 Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2018 16:21:18 +0200 From: Julien Cigar To: Waitman Gobble Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Lenovo P52S compatibility Message-ID: <20180607142118.GQ48472@mordor.lan> X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: Lenovo P52S compatibility References: <20180607123356.GN48472@mordor.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ngPZezdD7QsvFaqQ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.2 (2017-12-15) X-Barracuda-Connect: 213.219.145.67.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net[213.219.145.67] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1528381278 X-Barracuda-Encrypted: ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 X-Barracuda-URL: https://212.71.1.222:443/cgi-mod/mark.cgi X-Virus-Scanned: by bsmtpd at edpnet.be X-Barracuda-Scan-Msg-Size: 1996 X-Barracuda-BRTS-Status: 1 X-Barracuda-Bayes: INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.5382 1.0000 0.7500 X-Barracuda-Spam-Score: 0.75 X-Barracuda-Spam-Status: No, SCORE=0.75 using global scores of TAG_LEVEL=1000.0 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=1000.0 KILL_LEVEL=7.0 tests= X-Barracuda-Spam-Report: Code version 3.2, rules version 3.2.3.51727 Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2018 14:40:46 -0000 --ngPZezdD7QsvFaqQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jun 07, 2018 at 10:05:10AM -0400, Waitman Gobble wrote: > On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Julien Cigar wrot= e: > > Hello, > > > > All is in the title: any idea if the Lenovo P52S is compatible with > > FreeBSD ? > > > > Thanks ! > > Julien > > > > > > -- > > Julien Cigar > > Belgian Biodiversity Platform (http://www.biodiversity.be) > > PGP fingerprint: EEF9 F697 4B68 D275 7B11 6A25 B2BB 3710 A204 23C0 > > No trees were killed in the creation of this message. > > However, many electrons were terribly inconvenienced. >=20 >=20 >=20 > P500 should work fine with latest NVidia driver. I have a T530 with > Nvidia, for FreeBSD it needs to be set to NVidia only (or Intel HD Thank you.. unfortunately I have only choice between a T51 and T52s (it's a replacement at work) > only). (in BIOS) There's a third option that switches GPU based on > power and that does not work with FreeBSD. The P52S may have the same > feature? >=20 T52S has Nvidia P500 which should work, I hope I'll be able to do the switch > Intel 8265 / Wifi might be an issue, you may need to run Current/Head. > It's not clear to me if the driver update is in 11.2. >=20 > If you are using the LTE/GSM card, I am not sure if that works? Maybe > somebody else does. Wifi and LTE/GSM cards are not so much an issue as we are wired=20 >=20 > I don't think you will have issues with anything else. >=20 Thanks for your answer >=20 > --=20 > Waitman Gobble > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" --=20 Julien Cigar Belgian Biodiversity Platform (http://www.biodiversity.be) PGP fingerprint: EEF9 F697 4B68 D275 7B11 6A25 B2BB 3710 A204 23C0 No trees were killed in the creation of this message. However, many electrons were terribly inconvenienced. --ngPZezdD7QsvFaqQ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCgAdFiEE7vn2l0to0nV7EWolsrs3EKIEI8AFAlsZP1sACgkQsrs3EKIE I8DIVhAAmjsR2TDztLuFCGX2CwCz7avK0yhzd6k+I7BTEJ14cH0774Yje/YJL0Vo pkpNTkc3+0S0gbWraco7EQ+8K5wPpx6XTUIQJgNCBOB61w/VSnXrfGHTZPkRi2AI jYoFDibZMU9av5LnCS8Fb6pI0XcbIZKO5V03yRs6oFRpctP7gwJe1BAjfIP7OnfW kdyc5YkauxQ19PuHqcDk3bNM+jPKrPwMiN484liI6uuRQoXG66F5IEPJNdeYdZ+s s7KnE7+ymSdKe0bVz/FW9HBbmodG0/Cbhvz7JEtyZ69MGO38xMfK/wD3g07ojZ1c BtFT31V9IgMNIQnM3qvji5ULthyzdCRVeerVTZVMgOp2h3zIcDZELsbNjsPclhfg qsWbjeu/40Xxg0Us8bCiHIf4LlDwL81mJmay4pJyl59GxZu6HioUfGDZl9M9ZjQj emcLbRJmR1B/ueQctrq4oVUK6uoxJhpXk8ihXCOKg/mnZNvmJgRXQkXmory0IG/7 sf8jquKB/qetD74llcQgnfiV0oUbcSBIRI0RDde236ZpGiTMcZJaCYYADWfuGKXO DK26jVBeijKk8L4r2/FS1uGlmPe4l4LPnO1oZR6fnCiw/aki6C2VDEdOairS/Oqg alSqMRJCtCIRreB9LbnFnsLcKZcoKgxuwNAbfNewALCTiEpLIwQ= =68Ap -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ngPZezdD7QsvFaqQ-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 7 15:08:25 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F5ACFDE5C9 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 15:08:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@cretaforce.gr) Received: from smtpb4.cretaforce.gr (smtpb4.cretaforce.gr [78.47.134.41]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.cretaforce.gr", Issuer "RapidSSL RSA CA 2018" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B0AB56E91D for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 15:08:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@cretaforce.gr) Received: from smtp2.cretaforce.gr (smtp2.cretaforce.gr [195.201.125.11]) by smtpb4.cretaforce.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75A1120CEA for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 18:02:14 +0300 (EEST) Received: from server1.cretaforce.gr (server1.cretaforce.gr [138.201.248.69]) by smtp2.cretaforce.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8416D3E905 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 18:02:05 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (athedsl-4449129.home.otenet.gr [79.129.211.89]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: chris@cretaforce.gr) by server1.cretaforce.gr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 58B6E2732E for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 18:02:05 +0300 (EEST) From: Christos Chatzaras Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.3 \(3445.6.18\)) Subject: Toshiba disk low performance Message-Id: Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2018 18:02:03 +0300 To: FreeBSD X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.6.18) X-CretaForce-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-CretaForce-MailScanner-ID: 8416D3E905.AD70D X-CretaForce-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-CretaForce-MailScanner-From: chris@cretaforce.gr X-Spam-Status: No X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2018 15:08:25 -0000 I order a new dedicated server from a provider. The server has 2 Toshiba = disks and the disk peformance is very slow. I test it using mysqlcheck -Ao which optimizes the databases and also = with 10GB mysql import at 2 servers - one with the Toshiba disks and the = other with Seagate disks. During the tests gstat for the server with Toshiba disks show 3-4 times = lower disk operations / second compared to the other server. I had the same problem (same Toshiba models) in a production server (I = notice it after I put it in production) and ask the datacenter to = replace one disk with different model, I rebuild RAID-1, then replace = the second disk and I rebuild the RAID-1. And the issue resolved. It shows these disks as UDMA5 but other disks with good speed show = UDMA6. Also Linux shows these disks as UDMA5. Here is the dmesg output: ---- ada0 at ahcich1 bus 0 scbus0 target 0 lun 0 ada0: ATA8-ACS SATA 3.x device ada0: Serial Number Z5B7K1Q4FJKA ada0: 600.000MB/s transfers (SATA 3.x, UDMA5, PIO 8192bytes) ada0: Command Queueing enabled ada0: 3815447MB (7814037168 512 byte sectors) ada1 at ahcich2 bus 0 scbus1 target 0 lun 0 ada1: ATA8-ACS SATA 3.x device ada1: Serial Number Z5B7K1Q5FJKA ada1: 600.000MB/s transfers (SATA 3.x, UDMA5, PIO 8192bytes) ada1: Command Queueing enabled ada1: 3815447MB (7814037168 512 byte sectors) ---- What could be the problem with the Toshiba disks? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 7 15:18:26 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23250FE0582 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 15:18:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@cretaforce.gr) Received: from smtp2.cretaforce.gr (smtp2.cretaforce.gr [195.201.125.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.cretaforce.gr", Issuer "RapidSSL RSA CA 2018" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7B0856F0C7 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 15:18:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@cretaforce.gr) Received: from server1.cretaforce.gr (server1.cretaforce.gr [138.201.248.69]) by smtp2.cretaforce.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B8343E905 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 18:18:19 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (athedsl-4449129.home.otenet.gr [79.129.211.89]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: chris@cretaforce.gr) by server1.cretaforce.gr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F37A82732E for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 18:18:18 +0300 (EEST) From: Christos Chatzaras Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.3 \(3445.6.18\)) Subject: Re: Toshiba disk low performance Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2018 18:18:17 +0300 References: To: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.6.18) X-CretaForce-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-CretaForce-MailScanner-ID: 2B8343E905.AF4B0 X-CretaForce-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-CretaForce-MailScanner-From: chris@cretaforce.gr X-Spam-Status: No X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2018 15:18:26 -0000 During a 10GB mysql import the server with Toshiba disks does 250-400 = ops/s and another server with exactly the same setup (only disks = different) does 1000-2300 ops/s. When servers are idle "diskinfo -ctv /dev/ada0" show similar speeds to = both disks. During the mysql import the server with Toshiba disks show = 15 times worst results. > On 7 Jun 2018, at 18:02, Christos Chatzaras = wrote: >=20 > I order a new dedicated server from a provider. The server has 2 = Toshiba disks and the disk peformance is very slow. >=20 > I test it using mysqlcheck -Ao which optimizes the databases and also = with 10GB mysql import at 2 servers - one with the Toshiba disks and the = other with Seagate disks. >=20 > During the tests gstat for the server with Toshiba disks show 3-4 = times lower disk operations / second compared to the other server. >=20 > I had the same problem (same Toshiba models) in a production server (I = notice it after I put it in production) and ask the datacenter to = replace one disk with different model, I rebuild RAID-1, then replace = the second disk and I rebuild the RAID-1. And the issue resolved. >=20 > It shows these disks as UDMA5 but other disks with good speed show = UDMA6. Also Linux shows these disks as UDMA5. >=20 > Here is the dmesg output: >=20 > ---- > ada0 at ahcich1 bus 0 scbus0 target 0 lun 0 > ada0: ATA8-ACS SATA 3.x device > ada0: Serial Number Z5B7K1Q4FJKA > ada0: 600.000MB/s transfers (SATA 3.x, UDMA5, PIO 8192bytes) > ada0: Command Queueing enabled > ada0: 3815447MB (7814037168 512 byte sectors) > ada1 at ahcich2 bus 0 scbus1 target 0 lun 0 > ada1: ATA8-ACS SATA 3.x device > ada1: Serial Number Z5B7K1Q5FJKA > ada1: 600.000MB/s transfers (SATA 3.x, UDMA5, PIO 8192bytes) > ada1: Command Queueing enabled > ada1: 3815447MB (7814037168 512 byte sectors) > ---- >=20 > What could be the problem with the Toshiba disks? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 7 15:24:40 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45B40FE1058 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 15:24:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@cretaforce.gr) Received: from smtp2.cretaforce.gr (smtp2.cretaforce.gr [195.201.125.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.cretaforce.gr", Issuer "RapidSSL RSA CA 2018" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CC1A56F5F7 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 15:24:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@cretaforce.gr) Received: from server1.cretaforce.gr (server1.cretaforce.gr [138.201.248.69]) by smtp2.cretaforce.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C8B13E906 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 18:24:38 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (athedsl-4449129.home.otenet.gr [79.129.211.89]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: chris@cretaforce.gr) by server1.cretaforce.gr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F415B2732E for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 18:24:37 +0300 (EEST) From: Christos Chatzaras Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.3 \(3445.6.18\)) Subject: Re: Toshiba disk low performance Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2018 18:24:36 +0300 References: To: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.6.18) X-CretaForce-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-CretaForce-MailScanner-ID: 2C8B13E906.AFC8D X-CretaForce-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-CretaForce-MailScanner-From: chris@cretaforce.gr X-Spam-Status: No X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2018 15:24:40 -0000 I also see this differences between other server disks and server with = toshiba disks. Toshiba disks show PIO 8192bytes and the other "good" = disks show PIO 512bytes. Toshiba disks: ada0 at ahcich1 bus 0 scbus0 target 0 lun 0 ada0: ATA8-ACS SATA 3.x device ada0: Serial Number 382RK075F7GB ada0: 600.000MB/s transfers (SATA 3.x, UDMA5, PIO 8192bytes) ada0: Command Queueing enabled ada0: 3815447MB (7814037168 512 byte sectors) ada1 at ahcich2 bus 0 scbus1 target 0 lun 0 ada1: ATA8-ACS SATA 3.x device ada1: Serial Number 383IK043F7GB ada1: 600.000MB/s transfers (SATA 3.x, UDMA5, PIO 8192bytes) ada1: Command Queueing enabled ada1: 3815447MB (7814037168 512 byte sectors) "Good" disks: ada0 at ahcich1 bus 0 scbus0 target 0 lun 0 ada0: ACS-3 ATA SATA 3.x device ada0: Serial Number ZC112ALJ ada0: 600.000MB/s transfers (SATA 3.x, UDMA6, PIO 512bytes) ada0: Command Queueing enabled ada0: 3815447MB (7814037168 512 byte sectors) ada1 at ahcich2 bus 0 scbus1 target 0 lun 0 ada1: ACS-3 ATA SATA 3.x device ada1: Serial Number ZC111JK1 ada1: 600.000MB/s transfers (SATA 3.x, UDMA6, PIO 512bytes) ada1: Command Queueing enabled ada1: 3815447MB (7814037168 512 byte sectors) > On 7 Jun 2018, at 18:02, Christos Chatzaras = wrote: >=20 > I order a new dedicated server from a provider. The server has 2 = Toshiba disks and the disk peformance is very slow. >=20 > I test it using mysqlcheck -Ao which optimizes the databases and also = with 10GB mysql import at 2 servers - one with the Toshiba disks and the = other with Seagate disks. >=20 > During the tests gstat for the server with Toshiba disks show 3-4 = times lower disk operations / second compared to the other server. >=20 > I had the same problem (same Toshiba models) in a production server (I = notice it after I put it in production) and ask the datacenter to = replace one disk with different model, I rebuild RAID-1, then replace = the second disk and I rebuild the RAID-1. And the issue resolved. >=20 > It shows these disks as UDMA5 but other disks with good speed show = UDMA6. Also Linux shows these disks as UDMA5. >=20 > Here is the dmesg output: >=20 > ---- > ada0 at ahcich1 bus 0 scbus0 target 0 lun 0 > ada0: ATA8-ACS SATA 3.x device > ada0: Serial Number Z5B7K1Q4FJKA > ada0: 600.000MB/s transfers (SATA 3.x, UDMA5, PIO 8192bytes) > ada0: Command Queueing enabled > ada0: 3815447MB (7814037168 512 byte sectors) > ada1 at ahcich2 bus 0 scbus1 target 0 lun 0 > ada1: ATA8-ACS SATA 3.x device > ada1: Serial Number Z5B7K1Q5FJKA > ada1: 600.000MB/s transfers (SATA 3.x, UDMA5, PIO 8192bytes) > ada1: Command Queueing enabled > ada1: 3815447MB (7814037168 512 byte sectors) > ---- >=20 > What could be the problem with the Toshiba disks? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 7 16:19:41 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 095C6FE2FFA for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 16:19:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A70E571F51 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 16:19:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1528388381; x=1530980381; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=alv4hKUl5tZewzti+X79Sszxu43Bqr5NGbGimPb/W9w=; b=v7cQAlIW0wsmCHsLaFfBoEPRqIEMgaGONLyFzF0EHBBMHfOlL7qGIwEapJayu8Dmws89s9bqo2W2lxH9UmhcMloJ/F7Gw+TKEwkFHGd1yUZxnEG7SFyVrVjOM2nXHS2UWGuflCPcVvPWidwJL48HavNmZG1dxo9RhEuhoM2JLIQ= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xOGQwMDAwMDBlNTgzODguZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r3.h.in.socketlabs.com (r3.h.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.180.13]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Thu, 7 Jun 2018 12:19:35 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [89.127.62.20]) by r3.h.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Thu, 7 Jun 2018 12:19:35 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.90_1 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1fQxdN-00029d-7L for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2018 16:19:33 +0000 Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2018 17:19:33 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Toshiba disk low performance Message-Id: <20180607171933.6b4babd094f4d056da797cf5@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.1) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2018 16:19:41 -0000 On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 18:02:03 +0300 Christos Chatzaras wrote: > I order a new dedicated server from a provider. The server has 2 Toshiba > disks and the disk peformance is very slow. I have had similar experiences with Toshiba drives, it improves somewhat when they have finished remapping all the bad sectors IME. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 7 16:55:03 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67D58FE422F for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 16:55:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@cretaforce.gr) Received: from smtp2.cretaforce.gr (smtp2.cretaforce.gr [195.201.125.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.cretaforce.gr", Issuer "RapidSSL RSA CA 2018" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 019B873D32 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 16:55:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@cretaforce.gr) Received: from server1.cretaforce.gr (server1.cretaforce.gr [138.201.248.69]) by smtp2.cretaforce.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 767183E905 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 19:54:57 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [192.168.1.6] (athedsl-126075.home.otenet.gr [85.75.68.26]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: chris@cretaforce.gr) by server1.cretaforce.gr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 583D42732E for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 19:54:57 +0300 (EEST) From: Christos Chatzaras Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.3 \(3445.6.18\)) Subject: Re: Toshiba disk low performance Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2018 19:54:56 +0300 References: <20180607171933.6b4babd094f4d056da797cf5@sohara.org> To: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <20180607171933.6b4babd094f4d056da797cf5@sohara.org> Message-Id: <5D96200B-649B-4851-9FC6-F56F3188326B@cretaforce.gr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.6.18) X-CretaForce-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-CretaForce-MailScanner-ID: 767183E905.AC3B7 X-CretaForce-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-CretaForce-MailScanner-From: chris@cretaforce.gr X-Spam-Status: No X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2018 16:55:03 -0000 I test it with 3 different servers with Toshiba HDDs. The disks are new, = only few hours in usage. I don't think they have any bad sectors. > On 7 Jun 2018, at 19:19, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >=20 > On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 18:02:03 +0300 > Christos Chatzaras wrote: >=20 >> I order a new dedicated server from a provider. The server has 2 = Toshiba >> disks and the disk peformance is very slow. >=20 > I have had similar experiences with Toshiba drives, it improves > somewhat when they have finished remapping all the bad sectors IME. >=20 > --=20 > Steve O'Hara-Smith > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 7 17:25:27 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E942BFE534E for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 17:25:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F730756EC for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 17:25:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from point.uchicago.edu (point.uchicago.edu [128.135.52.6]) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BB517180F0; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 12:05:29 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Toshiba disk low performance To: Christos Chatzaras , FreeBSD References: <20180607171933.6b4babd094f4d056da797cf5@sohara.org> <5D96200B-649B-4851-9FC6-F56F3188326B@cretaforce.gr> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2018 12:05:29 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5D96200B-649B-4851-9FC6-F56F3188326B@cretaforce.gr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2018 17:25:27 -0000 On 06/07/18 11:54, Christos Chatzaras wrote: > I test it with 3 different servers with Toshiba HDDs. The disks are new, only few hours in usage. I don't think they have any bad sectors. > This is exactly why we have virtually no Toshiba hard drives around. Also, neither of vendors who build machines which we buy uses Toshiba drives. And once we notice hardware from some vendor does not behave decently over time (about 6 years is a must), we abandon such vendor for good. "Pricegrabber" is your enemy when hardware is concerned. Once someone stated it so well, that I just keep repeating it. If you can spend 10-15% more but get definitely good reliable hardware, do it. Otherwise you will pay much more with your time, and will pay to replace failed hardware soon as well. But alas, the market is driven by mass customer who does not care about the above, and keeps paying what looks like much less for something that is not worth it. Valeri > >> On 7 Jun 2018, at 19:19, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >> >> On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 18:02:03 +0300 >> Christos Chatzaras wrote: >> >>> I order a new dedicated server from a provider. The server has 2 Toshiba >>> disks and the disk peformance is very slow. >> >> I have had similar experiences with Toshiba drives, it improves >> somewhat when they have finished remapping all the bad sectors IME. >> >> -- >> Steve O'Hara-Smith >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 7 17:42:30 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC60BFE5D26 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 17:42:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@cretaforce.gr) Received: from smtp2.cretaforce.gr (smtp2.cretaforce.gr [195.201.125.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.cretaforce.gr", Issuer "RapidSSL RSA CA 2018" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 70CB27618B for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 17:42:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@cretaforce.gr) Received: from server1.cretaforce.gr (server1.cretaforce.gr [138.201.248.69]) by smtp2.cretaforce.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89E5A3E905 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 20:42:27 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [192.168.1.6] (athedsl-126075.home.otenet.gr [85.75.68.26]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: chris@cretaforce.gr) by server1.cretaforce.gr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 688DE2732E for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 20:42:27 +0300 (EEST) From: Christos Chatzaras Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.3 \(3445.6.18\)) Subject: Re: Toshiba disk low performance Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2018 20:42:26 +0300 References: <20180607171933.6b4babd094f4d056da797cf5@sohara.org> <5D96200B-649B-4851-9FC6-F56F3188326B@cretaforce.gr> To: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <5D96200B-649B-4851-9FC6-F56F3188326B@cretaforce.gr> Message-Id: <7F414078-3B7D-453F-B4EE-625400A0C109@cretaforce.gr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.6.18) X-CretaForce-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-CretaForce-MailScanner-ID: 89E5A3E905.AFCE0 X-CretaForce-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-CretaForce-MailScanner-From: chris@cretaforce.gr X-Spam-Status: No X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2018 17:42:31 -0000 boniee++ shows lower performance on these Toshiba disks but not much. Also untar big archives show the same execution time on Toshiba and no = Toshiba disks. But the issue happens doing "mysqlcheck -Ao" and "mysql import". Any idea how to reproduce the issue with a benchmark tool?= From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 7 20:20:36 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE46DFEA756 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 20:20:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from bede.qeng-ho.org (bede.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 642307D211 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 20:20:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from arthur.home.qeng-ho.org (arthur.home.qeng-ho.org [172.23.1.2]) by bede.qeng-ho.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35DC410199; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 21:12:39 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Toshiba disk low performance To: Christos Chatzaras , FreeBSD References: <20180607171933.6b4babd094f4d056da797cf5@sohara.org> <5D96200B-649B-4851-9FC6-F56F3188326B@cretaforce.gr> From: Arthur Chance Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2018 21:12:39 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5D96200B-649B-4851-9FC6-F56F3188326B@cretaforce.gr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2018 20:20:36 -0000 On 07/06/2018 17:54, Christos Chatzaras wrote: > I test it with 3 different servers with Toshiba HDDs. The disks are new, only few hours in usage. I don't think they have any bad sectors. Backblaze are my go-to source for disk performance. Looking at the latest quarterly report (https://www.backblaze.com/blog/hard-drive-stats-for-q1-2018/) although they are trying out Toshiba's new 8TB drives, it's noticeable that they only have 191 Toshiba drives deployed out of an entire fleet of 98,046 drives. This rather suggests they are not keen on Toshiba disks. You'd need to look back through their quarterly reports to find out why though. -- An amusing coincidence: log2(58) = 5.858 (to 0.0003% accuracy). 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[138.201.248.69]) by smtp2.cretaforce.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F3C73E905 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2018 14:42:53 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (athedsl-4449129.home.otenet.gr [79.129.211.89]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: chris@cretaforce.gr) by server1.cretaforce.gr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 61E032732E for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2018 14:42:53 +0300 (EEST) From: Christos Chatzaras Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.3 \(3445.6.18\)) Subject: Re: Toshiba disk low performance Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2018 14:42:52 +0300 References: <20180607171933.6b4babd094f4d056da797cf5@sohara.org> <5D96200B-649B-4851-9FC6-F56F3188326B@cretaforce.gr> To: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <18DD35BD-0DA5-4186-9633-F9270744F9AD@cretaforce.gr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.6.18) X-CretaForce-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-CretaForce-MailScanner-ID: 8F3C73E905.AEC30 X-CretaForce-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-CretaForce-MailScanner-From: chris@cretaforce.gr X-Spam-Status: No X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2018 11:42:57 -0000 I did some benchmarks and the problem exist in both Linux and FreeBSD. I benchmark a server with Toshiba disks and a server with Seagate disks. First I install debian without RAID-1. Then I install iozone. Tests done with hdparm to test disk bandwidth and iozone to test random = read/writes. Here are the results: https://hastebin.com/gayidosaju.pas As you can see the bandwidth for the Toshiba disks is slower than = Seagate but this doesn't really matter. The problem is the second test that does random read/writes which show = the Toshiba has 10 times slower random write speed than the Seagate. That's why the issue happens mostly during a "mysql import" and not = other server tasks. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jun 8 13:27:33 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40687101AC6D for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2018 13:27:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from christophkukulies@me.com) Received: from st11p01im-asmtp002.me.com (st11p01im-asmtp002.me.com [17.172.204.152]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DA6A681EB5 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2018 13:27:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from christophkukulies@me.com) Received: from process-dkim-sign-daemon.st11p01im-asmtp002.me.com by st11p01im-asmtp002.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 8.0.1.2.20170607 64bit (built Jun 7 2017)) id <0PA000G007XGB600@st11p01im-asmtp002.me.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2018 12:27:26 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=me.com; s=04042017; t=1528460846; bh=dmUKwGfA3IhQmUIu+EJqr/qcf8y/bsIGq6mXSrf/nqc=; h=Content-type:From:MIME-version:Date:Subject:Message-id:To; b=ycSg1rL84w4WO2HOVdbg7PleFgl1LHgIZ16wUdryvmN6Oe4+GPS4fi1B5d0vL44V+ R8WNfo0MiDIkGZQhxxaN2HYsXlzlUgKNhJNHe8GCuWmnVS3a8Ye+FGZRolTgfOCt4S wBR75WsbTioZF8CeLSuxLbynlmw6zWZClgjLncJNZHTotxoRXfnNmTAm/if/H1GGvP w7XvHI0wJZn9Q0AMoYfFdKYQi6FtR8o60r/YSfR/21+WCfxJP6Z1CpSrz3FCYLiBII GicDjowbwYrQGHE+gLS0gvp2HFO9S/wRMny1wGl+NgA2lUusbiXqNrhnmYAV3P1sHY iSCpzcMyAaTWQ== Received: from icloud.com ([127.0.0.1]) by st11p01im-asmtp002.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 8.0.1.2.20170607 64bit (built Jun 7 2017)) with ESMTPSA id <0PA001CCL7XN8H10@st11p01im-asmtp002.me.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2018 12:27:25 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:,, definitions=2018-06-08_05:,, signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=1 spamscore=1 clxscore=1011 suspectscore=1 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1707230000 definitions=main-1806080143 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable From: Christoph Kukulies MIME-version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2018 14:27:22 +0200 Subject: Ih Message-id: <3C5772FC-65BC-4159-8120-3ECAB6489B33@me.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (15E302) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2018 13:27:33 -0000 h meine iPhone gesendet w=C3=A4hrend ich fuhr, a=C3=9F, tippte, las und eine= n Rubik cube l=C3=B6ste. Hallo hohe Kosten ich=20= From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jun 8 14:18:33 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30D27101BB97 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2018 14:18:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "bs1.fjl.org.uk", Issuer "bs1.fjl.org.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B193783AF9 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2018 14:18:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from roundcube.fjl.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w58EIT25095775 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2018 15:18:29 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2018 15:18:29 +0100 From: Frank Leonhardt To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is it normal that a user can take down the whole system by using too much =?UTF-8?Q?memory=3F?= Organization: FJL Microsystems In-Reply-To: <20180604104334.cfa2f9b307e52afff34c39ec@sohara.org> References: <1527977770.2651378.1394286400.0806CC5C@webmail.messagingengine.com> <01EE7EEA-03AC-4D71-BA08-B0CEA97EE720@thehowies.com> <1527981931.2670335.1394316280.09410FC9@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20180604104334.cfa2f9b307e52afff34c39ec@sohara.org> Message-ID: <3637bd5588f69098fd342cf29c8a81b4@roundcube.fjl.org.uk> X-Sender: frank2@fjl.co.uk User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/0.9.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2018 14:18:33 -0000 On 2018-06-04 10:43, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 19:25:31 -0400 > Brennan Vincent wrote: > >> Thanks John for the response -- this should help me solve my practical >> needs. >> >> I'm also curious, however, to learn more from an OS design >> perspective. > > Best way to do that is look at the code. > >> Why isn't it possible for the kernel to realize it should kill >> `eatmem` >> rather than make the system unusable? > > The code in vm_pageout.c that handles out of swap conditions tries > to kill the biggest process - by that it means the one estimated to > release > the most memory. To that end it skips processes in various states - > killed, > protected, system, non-running and then picks the biggest of the > remaining > processes to kill. > > One thing that may cause the random chaos you see is that killing a > process takes time, especially if that process has swapped out pages, > if > something else calls for memory it has finished dying then the next > biggest > process will get killed even though the process responsible has already > been killed (after all it might be locked up and failing to die). You might want to look at this: http://blog.frankleonhardt.com/2011/large-swap-files-on-freebsd-die-with-mystery-killed-howto-add-lots-of-swap-space/ Regards, Frank. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jun 8 14:24:09 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37084101BF50 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2018 14:24:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-doc@fjl.co.uk) Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "bs1.fjl.org.uk", Issuer "bs1.fjl.org.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BCB5984119 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2018 14:24:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-doc@fjl.co.uk) Received: from roundcube.fjl.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w58EGPTZ095137 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2018 15:16:25 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from freebsd-doc@fjl.co.uk) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2018 15:16:25 +0100 From: Frank Leonhardt To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS mirror keeps going offline/removed In-Reply-To: References: <7e6ff012-5108-aa30-2909-6a638b2cdbb1@sentex.net> Message-ID: <8e51925f927e29eeee793dab9807a8b3@roundcube.fjl.org.uk> X-Sender: freebsd-doc@fjl.co.uk User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/0.9.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2018 14:24:09 -0000 *** Fixed Top Post - reply at bottom *** > On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 8:24 AM, Mike Tancsa wrote: > >> On 5/29/2018 10:29 PM, Aaron wrote: >> > So recently my ZFS mirror keeps getting both drives marked as removed >> which >> > >> > May 29 19:20:33 darkserver kernel: ada2 at ahcich2 bus 0 scbus2 target 0 >> > lun 0 >> > May 29 19:20:33 darkserver kernel: ada2: s/n >> > ZDH1CTDZ detached >> >> If I am reading this right, the physical drive is disappearing from >> the >> system. >> Try installing smartmontools >> and post >> smartctl -a /dev/ada2 >> >> >> On 2018-05-31 02:14, Aaron wrote: > Hm. SMART seems fine (see below for ada2 & ada8), but looks fine. I did > look at camcontrol, don't see anything obvious but strange that ada2 & > ada8 I see you're using "Green" drives, and this is most likely your problem. Basically, if they go to sleep to conserve power and then don't respond quickly enough then ZFS (and gmirror) will decide they're off-line, or at least flaky, and detach them. Regards, Frank. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jun 8 14:30:10 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 571EF101C1FF for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2018 14:30:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Received: from mail2.nber.org (mail2.nber.org [198.71.6.79]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E187B845BA for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2018 14:30:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Received: from sas1.nber.org (sas1.nber.org [198.71.6.89]) by mail2.nber.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id w58E2Wua056365 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 8 Jun 2018 10:02:32 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2018 10:02:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel Feenberg To: Christos Chatzaras cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Toshiba disk low performance In-Reply-To: <18DD35BD-0DA5-4186-9633-F9270744F9AD@cretaforce.gr> Message-ID: References: <20180607171933.6b4babd094f4d056da797cf5@sohara.org> <5D96200B-649B-4851-9FC6-F56F3188326B@cretaforce.gr> <18DD35BD-0DA5-4186-9633-F9270744F9AD@cretaforce.gr> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21 (LRH 202 2017-01-01) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-KLMS-Rule-ID: 1 X-KLMS-Message-Action: clean X-KLMS-AntiSpam-Status: not scanned, disabled by settings X-KLMS-AntiSpam-Interceptor-Info: not scanned X-KLMS-AntiPhishing: Clean, 2018/06/06 14:48:24 X-KLMS-AntiVirus: Kaspersky Security 8.0 for Linux Mail Server, version 8.0.1.721, bases: 2018/06/08 09:31:00 #8604819 X-KLMS-AntiVirus-Status: Clean, skipped X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2018 14:30:10 -0000 On Fri, 8 Jun 2018, Christos Chatzaras wrote: > I did some benchmarks and the problem exist in both Linux and FreeBSD. > > I benchmark a server with Toshiba disks and a server with Seagate disks. > > First I install debian without RAID-1. Then I install iozone. > > Tests done with hdparm to test disk bandwidth and iozone to test random read/writes. > > Here are the results: > > https://hastebin.com/gayidosaju.pas > > As you can see the bandwidth for the Toshiba disks is slower than Seagate but this doesn't really matter. > > The problem is the second test that does random read/writes which show the Toshiba has 10 times slower random write speed than the Seagate. > > That's why the issue happens mostly during a "mysql import" and not > other server tasks. Assuming that Smartdisk doesn't show a problem, don't you think that for some good or bad reason, the writes to the Seagate are async and writes to the Toshiba are sync? Perhaps FreeBSD has some rules about the default that Toshiba triggers in a different way than Seagate? Daniel Feenberg From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jun 8 14:46:12 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DCAE101CD9B for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2018 14:46:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@cretaforce.gr) Received: from smtpb4.cretaforce.gr (smtpb4.cretaforce.gr [78.47.134.41]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.cretaforce.gr", Issuer "RapidSSL RSA CA 2018" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A088585A50 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2018 14:46:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@cretaforce.gr) Received: from smtp3.cretaforce.gr (smtp3.cretaforce.gr [78.47.184.71]) by smtpb4.cretaforce.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 361E820D06 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2018 17:46:09 +0300 (EEST) Received: from server1.cretaforce.gr (server1.cretaforce.gr [138.201.248.69]) by smtp3.cretaforce.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17E713E907 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2018 17:46:00 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (athedsl-4449129.home.otenet.gr [79.129.211.89]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: chris@cretaforce.gr) by server1.cretaforce.gr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CFC2E2732E; Fri, 8 Jun 2018 17:45:59 +0300 (EEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.3 \(3445.6.18\)) Subject: Re: Toshiba disk low performance From: Christos Chatzaras In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2018 17:45:58 +0300 Cc: FreeBSD Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1DBCEF1D-DA0D-4B69-978F-1EAA5F4AE138@cretaforce.gr> References: <20180607171933.6b4babd094f4d056da797cf5@sohara.org> <5D96200B-649B-4851-9FC6-F56F3188326B@cretaforce.gr> <18DD35BD-0DA5-4186-9633-F9270744F9AD@cretaforce.gr> To: Daniel Feenberg X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.6.18) X-CretaForce-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-CretaForce-MailScanner-ID: 17E713E907.A0E2C X-CretaForce-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-CretaForce-MailScanner-From: chris@cretaforce.gr X-Spam-Status: No X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2018 14:46:12 -0000 I run these benchmark tests in Linux which show slow random writes. I = don't think the issue is related to FreeBSD. > On 8 Jun 2018, at 17:02, Daniel Feenberg wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Fri, 8 Jun 2018, Christos Chatzaras wrote: >=20 >> I did some benchmarks and the problem exist in both Linux and = FreeBSD. >>=20 >> I benchmark a server with Toshiba disks and a server with Seagate = disks. >>=20 >> First I install debian without RAID-1. Then I install iozone. >>=20 >> Tests done with hdparm to test disk bandwidth and iozone to test = random read/writes. >>=20 >> Here are the results: >>=20 >> https://hastebin.com/gayidosaju.pas >>=20 >> As you can see the bandwidth for the Toshiba disks is slower than = Seagate but this doesn't really matter. >>=20 >> The problem is the second test that does random read/writes which = show the Toshiba has 10 times slower random write speed than the = Seagate. >>=20 >> That's why the issue happens mostly during a "mysql import" and not = other server tasks. >=20 > Assuming that Smartdisk doesn't show a problem, don't you think that = for some good or bad reason, the writes to the Seagate are async and = writes to the Toshiba are sync? Perhaps FreeBSD has some rules about the = default that Toshiba triggers in a different way than Seagate? >=20 > Daniel Feenberg > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jun 8 15:42:50 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62CB0101E14A for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2018 15:42:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from d7o9idh8jlaj@opayq.com) Received: from gw1.borh.eu (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BC6786809C for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2018 15:42:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from d7o9idh8jlaj@opayq.com) Received: from testbox.borh.eu (testbox.borh.eu [10.0.0.3]) by gw1.borh.eu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id w58FN7XA098853; Fri, 8 Jun 2018 17:23:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from d7o9idh8jlaj@opayq.com) Reply-To: d7o9idh8jlaj@opayq.com Subject: Re: Problems with upgrade. To: Esa Karkkainen , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <78ec6723-1389-c1df-27ec-55f0c5b32775@opayq.com> <20180530162118.GC11983@pp.htv.fi> From: Bernt Hansson Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2018 17:23:07 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20180530162118.GC11983@pp.htv.fi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2018 15:42:50 -0000 On 05/30/18 18:21, Esa Karkkainen via freebsd-questions [Masked] wrote: > On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 12:48:09PM +0200, Bernt Hansson wrote: >> Hello list. > Hello, > >> Upgrade like this 10.3R -> 11.1R -> rollback -> 10.4 >> >> Now there is issues with some libs like >> >> Shared object "libldns.so.5" not found, required by "host" >> Shared object "libheimipcc.so.11" not found, required by "libkrb5.so.11" >> >> Probably others too. Tried to build from source but...... No. >> >> Should i download 10.4 source and build userland & kernel? > That is one possiblity, but "make buildworld" might not run succesfully, > it depends how badly the operating system has been broken. > > I'm assuming you've used freebsd-update to do the updates. > > Please try > > # freebsd-update IDS > > Below is the relevant part of freebsd-update usage. > IDS -- Compare the system against an index of "known good" > files. > > You can see the freebsd-update commads usage if you run "freebsd-update" > without any arguments. > > That might help you all the incorrect files, because the IDS might be > able to tell you what files are not "known good" in 10.4. > > You can get specific files from the distribution packages like this. > > 1. You can download base.txz for amd64 architecture from: > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/10.4-RELEASE/ > > 2. This is how you can find the specific path to the incorrect files: > > # xz -dc base.txz|tar tvf - | egrep 'libldns.so.5|libheimipcc.so.11' > lrwxr-xr-x 0 root wheel 0 Sep 29 2017 ./usr/lib/private/libheimipcc.so -> libheimipcc.so.11 > -r--r--r-- 0 root wheel 375976 Sep 29 2017 ./usr/lib/private/libldns.so.5 > lrwxr-xr-x 0 root wheel 0 Sep 29 2017 ./usr/lib/private/libldns.so -> libldns.so.5 > -r--r--r-- 0 root wheel 10032 Sep 29 2017 ./usr/lib/private/libheimipcc.so.11 > > The lines which begin with "l" character are just symbolic links, the > lines that start with "-" character show the actual files that do not > work. You can use "|egrep -v '^l'" at the end of the previous command to > exclude any symbolic links, so the command would be > > xz -dc base.txz|tar tvf - | egrep 'libldns.so.5|libheimipcc.so.11' | egrep -v '^l' > > 3. Copy or download the base.txz file to /tmp directory > > 4. Extract the files needed: > > # cd /tmp/ > # xz -dc /path/to/base.txz|tar xvf - ./usr/lib/private/libldns.so.5 ./usr/lib/private/libheimipcc.so.11 > x ./usr/lib/private/libldns.so.5 > x ./usr/lib/private/libheimipcc.so.11 > > 5. So the two shared libraries are now in /tmp/usr/lib/private > directory, now lets rename the incorrect files and copy these shared > libraries to the correct directory: > > # mv -i /usr/lib/private/libldns.so.5 /usr/lib/private/libldns.so.5.broken && cp -pi /tmp/usr/lib/private/ibldns.so.5 /usr/lib/private/libldns.so.5 > > The "cp" comand will be run only if the "mv" command was successful and > if the target file exist it will ask you "are you sure" > > You can't always overwrite files, because the file might be in use, so > the safest way is to rename the file to a diffrent name and then copy > the file to the same exact location. > > And that will not work on all files, for example "/usr/lib/libc.a" file > unless you use statically linked commands from /rescue directory, but > since you can run basically any command then the libc.a file is ok. > > You can do that by adding "/rescue" as the first diretory in your shells > path environment variable. > > This is how you add "/rescue" temporarily as the first directory of the > path using root users default shell, which is csh. > > # echo $SHELL > /bin/csh > # which mv > /bin/mv > # echo $path > /sbin /bin /usr/sbin /usr/bin /usr/local/sbin /usr/local/bin /root/bin > # set path = ( /rescue $path ) > # echo $path > /rescue /sbin /bin /usr/sbin /usr/bin /usr/local/sbin /usr/local/bin /root/bin > # which mv > /rescue/mv > # > > If that doesn't help, please try this before running "freebsd-update" > again. > > # cd /var/db > # mv freebsd-update freebsd-update.not_in_use > # mkdir freebsd-update > # chown root:wheel freebsd-update > # chmod 0700 freebsd-update > # cp -pi freebsd-update.not_in_use/pub.ssl freebsd-update > > That makes freebsd-update lose all history, so it'll start from a clean > slate. > > The you can run: > > # freebsd-update IDS > > or possibly: > > # freebsd-update fetch > # freebsd-update install > > Hope that helps. > > Kind regards, > > Esa > Thank you Esa for that very comprehensive answer. Bernt.