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Date:      Fri, 20 Mar 2009 17:45:05 -0500
From:      Adam Vandemore <>
Subject:   Re: portupdate xorg-server
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Neal Hogan wrote:
> In light of Adam's comment and thinking about the comment he's 
> responding to, I realize that I may have been rather obnoxious. I 
> appreciate Adam setting that aside to give me and the list some of his 
> time. I'm rather new to fBSD (obvious) and I've got my parent's 
> machine on it, which is hundreds of miles away and they have put in 
> requests that led me to upgrade their system, including ports (and 
> when X gets messed up from a remote position, it can be frustrating). 
> So, I apologize if my comments came across in such a way that annoyed 
> you. Not being a dev (or anywhere close), I have little room to act 
> that way.
> But, I wonder what the most efficient way is to update ports. I 
> appreciate Adam's point about the fact that portupgrade (and 
> portmanager and portmaster) are ports themselves and are going to not 
> be as reliable as what is in base. However, the fBSD documentation on 
> updating ports (i.e., the handbook) only suggests the above three as 
> ways to update ports. Is there a way to update ports from a base app? 
> Given that a basic setup will have quite a few ports (hundreds), I was 
> wondering if there was another way to update all (including their 
> dependencies), rather that a one-by-one *make update* or 
> *portupgrade*. <>;
If you are asking for a failsafe method of doing this, I'm afraid there 
isn't one totally issue free.  If you are going to restrict yourself to 
known good fulling working apps, you should limit yourself to packages 
not ports where possible.  This will insure you've pkg's that run 
correctly under GENERIC for your release.  If you go to a stable or 
current branch, it's expected you'll be able to take care of yourself to 
some degree.  Base system tools for what you are talking about consists 
of things like pkg_add and pkg_delete.  pkg_deinstall and the like are 
not past of base system.  There are also loads of options under ports 
man page.  If you haven't reviewed it, you should.  It does provide some 
of the functionality of other port management tools as part of base 
system.  Please don't misunderstand my earlier post however, you can 
still easily run into dependency issues with any port tools so just 
because the port make options include things like "depends" it doesn't 
mean that you'll have 100% success rate.  Again, best chance of that is 
sticking w/ packages at the expense of not running latest version of 

Options like cd /usr/ports && make readmes aren't well known to most 
newcomers to whom things like that would be the most benefit. 

Something like portcheckout may help you a lot, just getting starting in 
FBSD is much harder than actually maintaining a running system once 
you're familiar with how things work.  #1 rule is of course RTFM, which 
just leaves you with which M to actually FR.  That is often the hardest 
part of getting started.  Best command to get started is man man just to 
make sure you're using it effectively.  apropos also very important for 
digging up clues if lost.

Adam Vandemore
Systems Administrator
IMED Mobility
(605) 498-1610

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