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Date:      Tue, 27 Jan 2009 23:42:18 -0800
From:      Gary Kline <kline@thought.org>
To:        Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de>
Cc:        RW <rwmaillists@googlemail.com>, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: KDE: What a monster!
Message-ID:  <20090128074218.GA480@thought.org>
In-Reply-To: <20090128031855.1d32d79c.freebsd@edvax.de>
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On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 03:18:55AM +0100, Polytropon wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:15:09 +0000, RW <rwmaillists@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > IMO these basic window managers are ok if you *only* use them via a
> > keyboard, but if you ever use a mouse they're very poor ergonomically.
> 
> Well, I found this a problem, too, but very early recognized that
> there are window managers that can actually combine keyboard AND
> mouse control at a very user-friendly level. Such a window manager
> is WindowMaker.
> 
> It can even utilize the keys on the left of a Sun Type 6 keyboard
> for window manager functions (front, back, roll up, hide, full-
> screen etc.) which "the big DEs" can't.
> 
> What I don't like personally about "the big DEs" is their way of
> handling windows through the means of the mouse. You're forced
> to click on tiny buttons, and if you enlarge the control buttons,
> you end up with uselessly wasting screen space. In WindowMaker,
> there are many operations that don't force me to first move the
> mouse to a certain place and THEN do the operation I want. This
> makes windowing operations, especially in operations context,
> very fast and easily.
> 
> So professional window managing isn't about minimalism only. There
> are other window managers that can provide effects and "bells
> and whistles" very efficiently, if you think you need them.
> But, of course, they're not "mainstream".
> 

	BUT: do things i _use_ from kde and gnome work with other wm's?
	if memory serves, i had lots of troubles using kttsd with my
	favorite manager, ctwm.  (i used ctwm for -years- before i
	finally upgraded to a powerful enough computer and switched.)

	i use simple cli stuff for most things, kde/gnome when i need it.
	and i'm sticking with kde3 until kde4 is 1) stable and complete,
	and 2), IFF it has something worth switching over for.  

	that's my two cent's worth:)

	gary


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