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Date:      Sat, 12 Dec 2009 14:43:08 -0500
From:      "Aryeh M. Friedman" <aryeh.friedman@gmail.com>
To:        Randi Harper <sektie@freebsdgirl.com>
Cc:        freebsd-chat@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: A theory on why microsoft makes such crappy stuff after all these years
Message-ID:  <4B23F24C.5040508@gmail.com>
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Randi Harper wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 3:42 AM, Aryeh M. Friedman
> <aryeh.friedman@gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> Microsoft making crappy products is really a conspiracy.   The actually know
>> how to make good stuff but don't for the following reasons (only the first
>> on is a new observation likely):
>>
>>   * If they didn't have any bugs then people would think the program was
>> counterfeit
>>   * Force people to upgrade hardware and software more often
>>   * Forcing a person to be certified expert to just know how to save
>> documents
>>     
>
>
> Unproductive. Seriously? You want to talk about how Microsoft sucks?
> Nothing you've said is original or even entertaining.
>
> 1.) What the hell? Are you smoking something? I don't even know how to
> respond to that other than: clearly you think FreeBSD has no bugs.
> Awesome.
>   

Of course FreeBSD has bugs (for example my named seems to die on my 
desktop [not the servers at work] at random times if there is high 
network load when a none cached lookup is made).  The specific type of 
thing I was referring to some of the bugs you find in MS products are so 
strange that the only possible explanation is they are on purpose.  Case 
in point IE8 has a compatibility mode (which makes some sense I guess) 
but instead of defaulting to IE7 settings it defaults to IE5 settings (I 
don't see how this could happen even if you had an accidental bug).
> 2.) Yeah. Because I can totally run KDE 4 on my AMD K6-2. mysql with
> sizable databases runs like a fiend on 256MB of RAM. With more complex
> software comes the need for better hardware. Next you're going to say
> that the gaming industry is a conspiracy. We should have just stuck
> with DOOM because everything else requires a better video card.
>   

I was about to say they are but decided not to feed into your 
argument.   Gaming at least has an excuse which is that realism (both in 
presentation and computer opponent reactions) is very math intensive and 
in the case of the opponent often pushes the limits of what we know 
about AI.
> 3.) Hint: It's the save option in the file menu. In vi, it's :w. Which
> of these is less intuitive?
>   

Even better how about aeipass in devel/aegis.
> Did you just discover UNIX or something? Power to you for your
> enthusiasm, but bashing other operating systems with uninformed
> opinions just makes you look dumb.
>   

No the post came from an extremely frustrating day of developing 
workarounds for various MS bugs in my company's products (we are an 100% 
FreeBSD shop but since part of our product is web based it has to be 
tested on all platforms).   As to UNIX use vs. something else I have 
used server/mini/etc. based UNIX since 1985 on an almost daily basis and 
as my primary desktop OS since the mid 90's (FreeBSD 2.0.1 was when I 
switched).

If anything your response shows a closed mind as to what makes people 
say different things.
> Still laughing about #1.
>
> -- randi
>
>   




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