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Date:      Sat, 04 Nov 2000 00:14:12 -0700
From:      Warner Losh <imp@village.org>
To:        kstewart@urx.com
Cc:        "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" <freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: Re-Booting new -STABLE Kernel: Failure To Mount Root .. even GENERIC 
Message-ID:  <200011040714.AAA31109@harmony.village.org>
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 03 Nov 2000 21:43:37 PST." <3A03A209.42953174@urx.com> 
References:  <3A03A209.42953174@urx.com>  <Pine.LNX.4.21.0011041806320.7940-100000@vimfuego.saarinen.org> 

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In message <3A03A209.42953174@urx.com> Kent Stewart writes:
: doing all of this from an xterm on the computer being upgraded. KDE
: will sometimes cause hang in perhaps 1 out of 6 or 7 tries. The
: frequency could be less often than that. 

Hmmm, I've never had a problem doing a buildworld in one Xterm while
doing other things in another.  On really bad days, I've had problems
with make installworld, but that usually involves running me out of
disk rather than anything too hairy (except for the one kernel flagday
with signals that torpedoed me, but even that's been mostly or totally
fixed).

Usually I do silly things like buildworld/installworld and then I
build the kernel the traditional way, only cursing if it fails.  My
kernel/userland updates are massively decoupled, but I'm supposed to
know what I'm doing.  Usually I get away with a lot, but sometimes
that burns me (like not running mergemaster and wondering why ldconfig
would hang the boot process a while ago :-).

Other machines I'm fairly religous about doing things right so that
UPDATING isn't too far out of whack and I know how to field some of
the odd build problems that come in.  These are generally my
production machines, so they get a little extra TLC (I don't have
their covers off as often swapping hardware :-).

Also, I tend to be conservative about what I recommend as the blessed
way.  The conservative way will always work, although there are often
short cuts that will usually work most of the time, if the wrong
dependencies don't change on you.  If the conservative way ever
breaks, it is usually fixed quickly :-)

Warner


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