From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Oct 21 23:30:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from smtp011.mail.yahoo.com (smtp011.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7962037B409 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 23:30:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from adsl-63-202-184-167.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO yahoo.com) (63.202.184.167) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2001 06:30:24 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3BD3BD10.D3048709@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 23:30:40 -0700 From: seth X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG" , qwestions2001@yahoo.com Subject: X/GNOME/Port upgrade/Dist upgrade Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hoping someone will guide me in the right direction. I'm running FreeBSD on P3-450Mhz. I've gotten pretty good about looking on google/dejanews/FreeBSD handbook for answers. I do have some confusion when it comes to UNIX concepts at times. 1. I finally got FreeBSD to load the way I needed - with X. Typically when I first started to play with FreeBSD, I installed with "user - install" option; then loaded X-windows which failed. Hence I went and downloaded the binaries from Xfree86 followed directions, and then after some pain was successful in getting X/Gnome/etc... to work. **point being I got X working currently with GNOME. It supposedly loads TWM as a default Window-manager(WM). After doing some more reading - I found that I needed to load a "GNOME" compliant WM. I did this by going to /usr/ports/x11-wm/sawfish and typed "make" , then "make install" -w/o the quotes. This worked: my task list doesn't crash anymore and GNOME control center shows sawfish as the current WM. keep reading.. there is a point to this. So I still get some errors about incompatibilty.. so I wanted to upgrade GNOME and sawfish.. since I read somwhere that upgrading might make everything peachy. So I endeavored to do so, ONLY because I've never upgraded an already installed app/pkg. On debian - it is easy as "apt-get....." and the upgrade/update or distribution upgrade is performed. I did some reading on FreeBSD Diary and the Handbook. It says something about CSVup and chainging the default values, etc... I am confused at this point. I'd rather not play around BLINDLY and screw up things and then reinstall FreeBSD all overagain. So here are my questions: 1. How does this CSV work? can someone explain or point me in the right direction? 2. If I upgrade a port tree -- what does this really mean? Will it take up more space on my HD? 3. what if I ONLY want to UPGRADE GNOME and SAWFISH.. do I have to upgrade my port tree (however you do this-- I don't know) 4. I have installed currently - FreeBSD-4.2-Release. How do I make this more stable (i.e. make sure I have all the latest pkgs installed with no known security holes. ) I ask this question here since I assume that upgrade OR update pkgs has to do something with CSV. Sorry for the long-winded scenario.. but thought that it would be helpful getting my questions answered if you see my point of view. I would LOVE to be spoon fed at this point, but I realize that that would be too much typing for most people, so some CLEAR directions/references to achieve my goal(s) would be very nice. -Q _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message