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Date:      Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:24:18 -0500 (EST)
From:      Joe Clarke <marcus@marcuscom.com>
To:        Alan Eldridge <alane@geeksrus.net>
Cc:        dwcjr@FreeBSD.ORG, FreeBSD Ports List <ports@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: CUPS support can be unconditional
Message-ID:  <20020111142313.K80091-100000@shumai.marcuscom.com>
In-Reply-To: <20020111142001.N80091-100000@shumai.marcuscom.com>

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On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Joe Clarke wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Alan Eldridge wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 02:10:14PM -0500, Alan Eldridge wrote:
> > >On Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 01:42:33PM -0500, Joe Clarke wrote:
> > >>On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Alan Eldridge wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> I would recommend, upon some reflection, doing this the way we did in
> > >>> kdelibs.  That is, cups-base is unconditional. If somebody really
> > >>> wants to use cups, they can't rely on another port to suck it in via
> > >>> dependency anyway; it doesn't work without being configured.
> > >>
> > >>I don't understand why your making CUPS mandatory for Samba.  Some users
> > >>won't want it period.  They'll want to stick with BSD printing (like for
> > >>use with apsfilter).  This will cause unnecessary download and build time.
> > >>
> > >A user who installs both samba and cups from packages (for example,
> > >when installing a new system from CDROM) finds that it won't work?
> > >
> > >That is a rather gross violation of POLA.
> > >
> >
> > Case in point:
> >
> > Building a new file and print server, I would not be likely to install
> > development tools. So if I want cups + samba, I have to go to another
> > machine with development tools installed, build a new samba, install
> > it, make a package, transfer it back to the machine I'm setting up?
> > That's pretty harsh just to save someone else the time of downloading
> > a 4M package file.
>
> But we do this with a lot of ports in FreeBSD.  Should all the conditional
> build knobs we taken out, and all ports built with all options enabled?
> This just seems like an overkill for some people.
>
> Now, maybe build with CUPS support iff WITH_CUPS && PACKAGE_BUILDING would
> be a good idea.  But I don't think we should make it global for every
> build of the port.

Sorry, I should have said:

WITH_CUPS || PACKAGE_BUILDING

Joe

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