Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 18:34:24 -0500 From: Farhan Khan <khanzf@gmail.com> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The future of fortune(6) Message-ID: <effdcf76-fffe-1d29-7167-c734c92b741c@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <08dfabe4-0fb0-9158-5a39-b97b1fcaf69c@johnea.net> References: <201711270546.vAR5k0xB004578@slippy.cwsent.com> <08dfabe4-0fb0-9158-5a39-b97b1fcaf69c@johnea.net>
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(I write this with a respectful tone in my voice.) With respect, FreeBSD is an operating system, not a person to be dehumanized. If you so strongly desire to run fortune, do a quick `pkg install fortune`. You can continue to utilize this feature as you please. Problem solved. No one is censoring anyone's speech, just install it from the packages. It will likely take literally 2 seconds. Being relatively new to FreeBSD on my servers, I always found fortune by default as unbecoming of an enterprise-class operating system. It would be like having lolcats or cowsay on by default. You can continue to have the morning email with a fortune quote, you will not lose that functionality. Everyone wins. On 11/28/2017 05:11 PM, freebsd@johnea.net wrote: > On 2017-11-26 21:46, Cy Schubert wrote: >> In message <307f8e8d0ad15d2d00e74a9b602c8c19@udns.ultimatedns.net>, "Chris H" writes: >>> On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 09:11:43 -0800 "Cy Schubert" <Cy.Schubert@komquats.com> said >>>> In message <20171126163259.6fb55366@gumby.homeunix.com>, RW via freebsd-hackers writes: >>>>> On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 07:59:52 -0800 Cy Schubert wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Lastly. I'm not totally against games. My 4 and 5 year old grandkids >>>>>> play games on game tablets. However I would never let my grandkids >>>>>> even see what fortune spits out. Much of it was offensive. I would >>>>>> have been ashamed had they seen some of the outputs. > > This statement is factually incorrect. > > It just is not the case. > > I've received fortune in email every morning for about 14 years. That's well over 5000 fortunes. I've never seen even vaguely offensive content. > > The default settings do not deliver patently offensive content, period. > >>>>> >>>>> You have to try quite hard to find them, they aren't given by default, >>>>> and: >>>>> >>>>> $ fortune -o >>>>> No fortunes found >>>>> in /usr/share/games/fortune:/usr/local/share/games/fortune. >>>> > ... >>>> It's 2017. If Red Hat doesn't support fortune why should we? >>> OK this is the 2nd time you've said that, and I'm afraid I'm going to have to >>> respond. :) >>> FreeBSD is *not* Red Hat, nor any other "flavor" of Linux. Who cares if some >>> other flavor of OS does, or does not "do it". >>> Sorry. I *greatly* appreciate that FreeBSD is /different/ than all the Linux >>> flavors, and would dearly hate that it felt that it should feel/be "Linux lik >>> e". >>> Over sensitive? Perhaps. But I simply couldn't resist. >>> >>> I'm done now. :) >> >> Of course FreeBSD isn't a Linux distro however RH has probably learned that >> contentious issues like this aren't worth the risk and exposure and the >> cost of supporting such software. FreeBSD is a volunteer effort. >> Unnecessary software still exacts a cost even in an environment like ours. >> > > I have to agree with the negative reaction to the Red Hat comparison. > > Saying that FreeBSD obviously isn't linux doesn't address the concern over this comparison. > > If you think fortune is a flame war lightning rod, maybe you haven't heard of systemd? > > systemd is a Red Hat product. > > There are many different reasons for the controversy over systemd. One of them is that it removes the individuality of adopting distributions, making them more uniform. The corporation in charge of that uniformity being Red Hat. > > People don't like the elimination of fortune for the same reason they didn't like the politically-correct-ification of beastie: It makes the OS seem less like something made by individuals for individuals, and more like a polished, "risk and exposure" averse, corporate product. In a word, dehumanized. > > johnea > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >
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