From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Wed Nov 11 14:22:50 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB421A2B0F1; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 14:22:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michelle@sorbs.net) Received: from hades.sorbs.net (mail.sorbs.net [67.231.146.200]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C98B61044; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 14:22:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michelle@sorbs.net) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from isux.com (firewall.isux.com [213.165.190.213]) by hades.sorbs.net (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.29.0 64bit (built Jul 9 2013)) with ESMTPSA id <0NXN00I7XMWRLM00@hades.sorbs.net>; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 06:29:19 -0800 (PST) Message-id: <56434F34.6040707@sorbs.net> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 15:22:44 +0100 From: Michelle Sullivan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X; en-US; rv:1.8.1.24) Gecko/20100301 SeaMonkey/1.1.19 To: Alex McWhirter Cc: Jordan Hubbard , Anna Wilcox , freebsd-arch , sparc64@freebsd.org, Sean Bruno , Marius Strobl , Warner Losh Subject: Re: Sparc64 doesn't care about you, and you shouldn't care about Sparc64 References: <64302b19-9f33-4267-af44-7fc30ea4bf3d@email.android.com> In-reply-to: <64302b19-9f33-4267-af44-7fc30ea4bf3d@email.android.com> X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 14:22:51 -0000 Alex McWhirter wrote: > The difference between most of the discontinued architectures and SPARC is that Oracle is showing more and more interest in developing their SPARC platform. Problem is they are killing it off with the business model. > If you consider the arm port, when it comes to alternative operating systems it probably has even a smaller market share than sparc. Isn't the Raspberry PI ARM? (mind you FreeBSD would have to try and catch up to Linux for that one - though it (the platform) is popular.) > I've sat in on my own fair share of Oracle meetings over the past few months, and they are doing everything in their power to push their customers on sparc and Solaris. > > They should consider what worked for Sun and what has killed their market share off. My experience has been in the past that Sun hardware had a massive following on the secondhand market... Oracle pretty much killed it... and along with it went the admins. I used to admin as part of teams datacenters full of Sun boxes, now I don't know where I can even find a datacenter with a Sun/Oracle box in it - except mine... and all mine are being depreciated. FreeBSD has an opportunity to fill the void in the secondhand Oracle (Sun) Hardware market if people want to take it.... but I seriously don't see why anyone would buy new Oracle boxes and shove FreeBSD on them - unless their admins already manage FreeBSD on older + Intel hardware. -- Michelle Sullivan http://www.mhix.org/