From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat May 9 18:02:20 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E531B2F21DA for ; Sat, 9 May 2020 18:02:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic308-18.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic308-18.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [77.238.178.146]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49KFQh4h7qz49KL for ; Sat, 9 May 2020 18:02:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: KPiNQ3oVM1mJIRfSc0cAsMjsz5tknZk63H6htBDPY_1s0crIKGwoz1QH1MMzeBG Vbdomnpn.rDB7EODOhJioWk3fNbwUjuavEUVKKY5vO3oMAhTq1YoWTnVD9SlekWqqnKoU2zu1D66 nZ.xjl6oW4bWssXiktYlmM5KiEzej.TJ7eV6ERjlr0g2P6SdvdgwLH7gXVfKjSC88lk454ynA5pr vrlJ1ofi7T5200G.ikOjjMrr6dnklOkWduqElheXUZEbriX1pMEyNZ7965GV4GYvnKTaKC6La.ph .n_tBpUGhvahOFrhP_11E0fJF_mWOh6p7HGi1UBjKmHBcvaANYztlMBc7nHUljfCU9x0HY41hIGY nQ9_3FEFWv479gNFrw_I9JRxa0S6k.cS24g5UQC68RegCfcWX2_FiG.nPgf6sV8GJ8tdjH8LJWQt SuFIAqosxhJShx32t3fFZrBTNxdLzpThZuyit4jRdLaBBYw7dETo6hP8FThsScDsIYKYfH3WzMCK M30ql_8QNbGTXsEpwAVxgi150_y2yAGrmWuKq4oSKbv_71rQLoYyfqWqdUuB.MgmJpLjRFSTb6hR qJi3Aoxm.QuPHKWYgayKctAQzXiV4eR142zXZNPCO8ih8USNxzNG2wTkYKVZ_u6iJIsuXV32dD2. 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Hell, he erased them. Gates and Jobs were not the creators of almost all those ideas, they were in the right place, at the right time and had good luck with personal circumstances, start-up capital. They were more ambitious businessmen than all those old inflexible businessman who were children of their times. Without Gates and Jobs somebody else with similar good luck would have grabbed the chances. This would have been bad for Steve Wozniak, but unlikely would have much impact on what we can consume nowadays. Without Albert Einstein we probably wouldn't have some of or new technology, such as GPS. I doubt that Jobs is that important. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphical_user_interface#History Actually my most important computer tool is an iPadPro. It's very good for artwork, but very bad for Internet usage. Most consumers are probably using their iPads mostly for Internat access, a domain that works way better when using a FreeBSD, Linux or Windows PC. You are right, they started selling products to users, who didn't know they want to have those products. Because a lot of people buy those products for usages that hardly work, as lifestyle products, the devices became less expensive, so a minority of nice users, such as artists, are able to get tools, that would cost more, without that sales strategy. My guess is, that somebody else soon or later would have done the same as Gates and Jobs, with equal success.