From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Feb 6 06:12:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA15224 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 06:12:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoebe.accinet.net (root@phoebe.accinet.net [204.245.83.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA15148; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 06:11:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robl@phoebe.accinet.net) Received: from [204.245.83.21] (powerbook.accinet.net [204.245.83.21]) by phoebe.accinet.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA10160; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 09:11:32 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802061411.JAA10160@phoebe.accinet.net> Subject: Re: Year 2000 compliance statement? Date: Fri, 6 Feb 98 09:12:39 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Rob Levandowski To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: , , "Matt Stein" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe questions" On 2/5/98 10:08 PM, Jordan K. Hubbard (jkh@time.cdrom.com) wrote: >I find it truly inexplicable that you would take the response from >some random person on the mailing list and extrapolate all of this >from it. I can only conclude that you must be having a bad day since >your conclusions otherwise defy all logic and I honest don't know what >to make of them. If you were to look at the "Contacting FreeBSD" web page, which is reached by clicking on the link "questions@freebsd.org" at the bottom of the main FreeBSD web page, you should note that nowhere does the page hint that the address sends to a public list. Given FreeBSD's nature, and that I knew there were mailing list instructions on another page, I presumed that this address was more restricted. Hence, when I got back that first message, whose phrasing implied that it was from someone empowered to speak for the team, I was upset. >Again, these conclusions leave me flabbergasted. If you make such >sweeping decisions based on so little input then I can honestly only >conclude that we'd have found it impossible to work with you in any >case, no matter how the question might have been answered to begin >with. [and under seperate cover,] >Thanks for clearing that aspect of this up. Nonetheless, it may have >served some useful purpose in getting the recipient to show his true >colors. :-) I have gotten several constructive and helpful replies from other people on the list. After receiving the second reply, it was obvious that I had sent to a list. On the other hand, I do tend to feel that your response above begs the question. The FreeBSD web pages, and its supporters, make a case that FreeBSD is a reasonable alternative to commercial workstations, even in corporate environments. It seems to me that the FreeBSD team wants to be taken seriously. As an end-user, I don't want to be told to "shove it," nor do I want snide personal comments in response to complaint. Your response, which takes the tack of maligning my character and questioning my faculties, doesn't make me think the FreeBSD team is looking to be taken seriously. That's especially true in light of your position as "Public Relations and Corporate Liasion," as the Web pages state. In my current position, I don't have the time to be an OS hacker. I need the best tool for the job, and to date, that tool has been FreeBSD for a few jobs. However, the degree and nature of support is a big part of being the "best tool." If I go to my bosses and say "when I reacted with shock and upset to being told, essentially, to 'shove it' when requesting a Y2K statement, I was told by the team's purported number-one public contact that I was defying logic, acting inexplicably, and that I was probably impossible to work with," neither they nor I are going to hear "best tool for the job." That result would be logical and very explicable. Robert Levandowski UNIX Systems Administrator ACC TeleCom robl@phoebe.accinet.net