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Date:      Thu, 27 Jul 2006 23:29:40 +0800
From:      "jan gestre" <freebsd.ph@gmail.com>
To:        "Giorgos Keramidas" <keramida@ceid.upatras.gr>
Cc:        freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ?
Message-ID:  <a25afc300607270829n6575615cu8c2e63e8803c4f99@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <20060726231555.GB19000@gothmog.pc>
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On 7/27/06, Giorgos Keramidas <keramida@ceid.upatras.gr> wrote:
>
> On 2006-07-26 18:59, Gerard Seibert <gerard@seibercom.net> wrote:
> >Darrin Chandler wrote:
> >> Do you see that if support in 4.x had been based on open specs from
> >> Adaptec that this issue would not exist? Adaptec is controlling your
> >> ability to use their product, and that's the real problem. It's
> >> consumer-hostile, unless you fit their perfect picture of
> >> "consumer." You don't, so you're left in the cold.
> >
> > I think you are missing the point here. It is 'THEIR PRODUCT'. They
> > can do with it as they wish. If you are unhappy with their product,
> > then don't use it.
>
> Darrin is not missing the point.  He is just making a different point,
> which is (for many people, including me) quite valid.
>
> > Most corporation are primarily interested in profits. Nothing wrong
> > with that. I like making money, as I assume you do. Obviously they
> > have weight the cost of producing FSBD compatible products and
> > concluded that it would not be profitable to do so. Unless you could
> > produce enough evidence to show them otherwise, I fear that you are
> > simply beating a dead horse here.
>
> If the technical specifications are open, there is *zero* support cost
> for the hardware vendor.  They don't even _have_ to make a driver for
> their hardware.  What they *can* do though is reply to requests for an
> open source driver with: ``Piss off!  We have you the technical specs,
> so you can write your own.  Our development and support costs would not
> be justified, but here's the spec... give it your best shot.''
>
> *This* is the point Darrin is trying to make :)
>
> and if i may add, if they don't provide FreeBSD drivers for their
> products, its their loss, they won't earn anything from FreeBSD users coz we
> won't buy or stay away from their products. and i also think the reason they
> are discontinuing support for FreeBSD 6 onwards coz they feel we are just
> few and won't make a significant increase in their profit driven company,
> one way of making us heard is by letting them know how many we are, why not
> bombard them with request for support, IMO once they notice how many we are,
> i'm pretty sure they'll give in.



just my 2  cents worth.



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