From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 27 15:29:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF22916A4F3 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:29:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.ph@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4272643D53 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:29:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd.ph@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so335232uge for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:29:40 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=DqmaaMCMRqW8y0yMmrVCeg4d90RAOjXKWO9A98BHOMwCVVL+yRAACDZ0It5SqnGt+30g46y9OmTSLuxYvdhf6RjVH6/FhKsPIrFWKgg4+3v54uMl+t37rl2h72wgtchK6cNJ2avIe9IC/A/yP3QXFbpOvlguhzRYJknaRmeo5Vo= Received: by 10.78.165.16 with SMTP id n16mr4147994hue; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:29:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.141.18 with HTTP; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:29:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 23:29:40 +0800 From: "jan gestre" To: "Giorgos Keramidas" In-Reply-To: <20060726231555.GB19000@gothmog.pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20060726164622.Q17979@ganymede.hub.org> <20060726201933.GH5284@jeeves.stilyagin.local> <20060726185018.BB70.GERARD@seibercom.net> <20060726231555.GB19000@gothmog.pc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:29:44 -0000 On 7/27/06, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > > On 2006-07-26 18:59, Gerard Seibert wrote: > >Darrin Chandler wrote: > >> Do you see that if support in 4.x had been based on open specs from > >> Adaptec that this issue would not exist? Adaptec is controlling your > >> ability to use their product, and that's the real problem. It's > >> consumer-hostile, unless you fit their perfect picture of > >> "consumer." You don't, so you're left in the cold. > > > > I think you are missing the point here. It is 'THEIR PRODUCT'. They > > can do with it as they wish. If you are unhappy with their product, > > then don't use it. > > Darrin is not missing the point. He is just making a different point, > which is (for many people, including me) quite valid. > > > Most corporation are primarily interested in profits. Nothing wrong > > with that. I like making money, as I assume you do. Obviously they > > have weight the cost of producing FSBD compatible products and > > concluded that it would not be profitable to do so. Unless you could > > produce enough evidence to show them otherwise, I fear that you are > > simply beating a dead horse here. > > If the technical specifications are open, there is *zero* support cost > for the hardware vendor. They don't even _have_ to make a driver for > their hardware. What they *can* do though is reply to requests for an > open source driver with: ``Piss off! We have you the technical specs, > so you can write your own. Our development and support costs would not > be justified, but here's the spec... give it your best shot.'' > > *This* is the point Darrin is trying to make :) > > and if i may add, if they don't provide FreeBSD drivers for their > products, its their loss, they won't earn anything from FreeBSD users coz we > won't buy or stay away from their products. and i also think the reason they > are discontinuing support for FreeBSD 6 onwards coz they feel we are just > few and won't make a significant increase in their profit driven company, > one way of making us heard is by letting them know how many we are, why not > bombard them with request for support, IMO once they notice how many we are, > i'm pretty sure they'll give in. just my 2 cents worth.