From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 15 17:38:15 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44F86106564A for ; Fri, 15 May 2009 17:38:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bright@elvis.mu.org) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34E908FC0A for ; Fri, 15 May 2009 17:38:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bright@elvis.mu.org) Received: by elvis.mu.org (Postfix, from userid 1192) id CD9371A3C3C; Fri, 15 May 2009 10:20:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 10:20:51 -0700 From: Alfred Perlstein To: Julian Stacey Message-ID: <20090515172051.GB57572@elvis.mu.org> References: <790C89F7-2F10-4601-B984-64B3988BAF82@bnc.net> <200905151655.n4FGsrLM028804@fire.js.berklix.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200905151655.n4FGsrLM028804@fire.js.berklix.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: Achim Patzner , chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD jobs X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 17:38:15 -0000 [[ moved thread to -chat ]] * Julian Stacey [090515 09:55] wrote: > > >> Internships are an accepted way for a high school or university > > > > > > In America. America imported unpaid apprenticeships & indentured > > > servitude (time limited slavery) from Europe/Britain centuries ago. > > > > Take this somewhere else, it's getting boring. Grown-ups should know > > what they're doing without your protection and the rest might learn > > a bit on their own. > > You'r right on adults & free choice, I'll drop that rather than drift. > What I was trying to illustrate is what jobs@ censors pass & block. > - jobs@ is censored, so jobs@ censors performance cant be discussed on jobs@. > - Those that pushed to censor jobs@ some years ago (& succesors?) > are not worth having, jobs@FreeBSD would be better without them. > - Censors of jobs@ do not have the courage to announce on footer or > header of jobs@ that they censor jobs@freebsd. > - Most don't know jobs@freebsd Is censored. > Most think only announce@ is moderated , & maybe arch@. > - Moving to chat@ is for things that drift off from FreeSBD, but > FreeBSD censorship Is relevant to FreeBSD, > - Where better than hackers@ to look for support to liberate > jobs@freebsd from censors ? Thanks Julian, Let's talk about FreeBSD-jobs before moderation and after. 1) First since its a low traffic list, there was a lot more spam than content which discouraged people from signing up. Now there is no spam. 2) People, like you, would flame job posters in way over the top manners which drove companies away from both the list and FreeBSD professionals in general. 3) Recruiters would post inappropriate jobs or jobs with too little information (mostly lack of location), this would annoy people and waste people's time. So now instead of having multiple hot heads like yourself blasting them, one of us kindly bounces the email back to them with a cordial note explaining what they need to do to post, or if they just shouldn't be posting. If they continue "not to get it", we typically just ignore them instead of inflaming the situation. I recall how it would be comical if it wasn't so sad at how badly the reaction would be to a single post with the sin of ommitting location or ANYTHING that some person figured they REQUIRED of the posts on the lists. Sometimes huge flamewars would ensue just because someone _missed_ seeing the actual location. It was just sad. At the time, if I was a recruiter, or someone just browsing our lists, it would seriously discount the professionalism of ANY reply I received based on the other flamers on the list. The fact of the matter was that it really didn't matter how hard the recruiter tried, there would almost certainly be _something_ in the email that someone would latch onto as a reason to childishly flame the author. So basically this is all addressed now. We still get occasional flames, but we dev-null them. Although this is the first time we've had such an... enthusiastic... individual looking to make a spectacle of things by cross posting. Good luck Julian, -- - Alfred Perlstein