From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 13 08:21:51 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AAE116A4BF for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2003 08:21:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from newsguy.com (smtp.newsguy.com [129.250.170.69]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF60343FD7 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2003 08:21:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com (200-140-005-095.bsace7025.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br [200.140.5.95]) by newsguy.com (8.9.1p2/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA66149; Sat, 13 Sep 2003 08:21:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3F6335E0.4030202@newsguy.com> Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 12:21:04 -0300 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR,pt,en-GB,en-US,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Moran References: <20030913093242.T94897@pinnacle.schulte.org> <3F633220.7050401@potentialtech.com> In-Reply-To: <3F633220.7050401@potentialtech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: Liew Jay Sern cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bikeshed X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 15:21:51 -0000 Bill Moran wrote: > > Thus "building a bikeshed" has become a euphamism for discussing > relatively unimportant details into the ground. Just to point out a few examples, whenever someone wants to tweak with the rc scripts, or discuss what sysinstall should or shouldn't do, or even if we should bundle sendmail or not, everyone pipes in and nothing gets done. When someone recently discussed a major restructuring of inet's forwarding and routing methods, a single person piped in (well, besides the ones who cheered, like me :). Now, whether we bundle sendmail or not is essentially irrelevant. Even if you abhor whatever we do, it is a most trivial thing for a sysadmin to replace whatever it is with something else. The forwarding and routing changes, on the other hand, will affect every single system that uses IPv4. It will most assuredly result in a modification of the performances tradeoffs (eg, workstations with a single route vs heavy routers with thousands), it _will_ change the speed with which each packet is sent out of a host, and will even change things like MTU Path Discovery (if I read that right :). And there's *nothing* any sysadmin will be able to do about it, except chose another OS. Now, before I scare everyone, it is my belief that any measurable changes in performance will be positive. :-) But this illustrates quite well the "bikeshed" thingy. -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org capo@west.side.of.bsdconspiracy.net Steele: "Aha! We've finally got you talking jargon too!" Stallman: "What did he say?" Steele: "Bob just used "canonical" in the canonical way."