From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 11 00:03:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF3BF10656AE; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 00:03:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sten@blinkenlights.nl) Received: from mx1.blinkenlights.nl (mx1.blinkenlights.nl [IPv6:2a02:898:17:8000::25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1798B8FC1F; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 00:03:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bastard.snore.nl (bastard.snore.nl [IPv6:2001:7b8:666:ffff:0:42ff:fe00:4]) by mx1.blinkenlights.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D42611451; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 02:03:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: by bastard.snore.nl (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 69FAF28A02D; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 02:03:54 +0200 (CEST) X-Original-To: sten@blinkenlights.nl Delivered-To: sten@blinkenlights.nl Received: from mx0.blinkenlights.nl (mx0.blinkenlights.nl [IPv6:2a01:1b0:201:1::25]) by zaphod.blinkenlights.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC7BB17F455 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 21:05:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mx2.freebsd.org (mx2.freebsd.org [69.147.83.53]) by mx0.blinkenlights.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B81473021 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 21:05:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.freebsd.org [69.147.83.54]) by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5185F5CC8E; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 19:02:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org) Received: from hub.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B2C716A40F; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 19:02:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org) X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89C1516A40D; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 19:02:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@hub.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 366C613C457; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 19:02:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@hub.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.187]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FA1D85C918; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:02:36 -0300 (ADT) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.187]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30803-05; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:02:24 -0300 (ADT) Received: from ganymede.hub.org (blk-89-241-126.eastlink.ca [24.89.241.126]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D917685C90E; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:02:23 -0300 (ADT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A4C83954F; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:02:27 -0300 (ADT) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: "Marc G. Fournier" , Thiago Esteves de Oliveira , "Brian A. Seklecki" Message-ID: <8C636E624D5DA8E80F6E4514@ganymede.hub.org> In-Reply-To: <5812F952CA324A89DC899AD9@ganymede.hub.org> References: <65091.200.191.164.248.1175458028.squirrel@www.lamce.coppe.ufrj.br> <5812F952CA324A89DC899AD9@ganymede.hub.org> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.7 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Errors-To: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: No buffer space available X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 00:03:57 -0000 X-Original-Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 16:02:26 -0300 X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 00:03:57 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thiago ... What version of kernel did you end up going back to? - --On Wednesday, April 04, 2007 10:15:48 -0300 "Marc G. Fournier" wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > I'm seeing the same effect (haven't tried older kernel, mind you) almost like > clockwork, every 72 hours after reboot ... at least now I don't feel so > crazy, knowing it isn't just me ... > > - --On Sunday, April 01, 2007 17:07:08 -0300 Thiago Esteves de Oliveira > wrote: > >> I've tried to increase the kern.ipc.nmbclusters value but it worked only when >> I changed the kernel to an older one. >> >> netstat -m (Now it's working with the same values.) >> - >> 515/850/1365 mbufs in use (current/cache/total) >> 512/390/902/65024 mbuf clusters in use (current/cache/total/max) >> 512/243 mbuf+clusters out of packet secondary zone in use (current/cache) >> 0/0/0/0 4k (page size) jumbo clusters in use (current/cache/total/max) >> 0/0/0/0 9k jumbo clusters in use (current/cache/total/max) >> 0/0/0/0 16k jumbo clusters in use (current/cache/total/max) >> 1152K/992K/2145K bytes allocated to network (current/cache/total) >> 0/0/0 requests for mbufs denied (mbufs/clusters/mbuf+clusters) >> 0/0/0 requests for jumbo clusters denied (4k/9k/16k) >> 0/0/0 sfbufs in use (current/peak/max) >> 0 requests for sfbufs denied >> 0 requests for sfbufs delayed >> 2759 requests for I/O initiated by sendfile >> 2982 calls to protocol drain routines >> >> Ethernet adapters >> - >> em0: port >> 0xec80-0xecbf m em 0xfebe0000-0xfebfffff irq 10 at device 4.0 on pci7 >> em0: Ethernet address: 00:04:23:c3:06:78 >> em0: [FAST] >> skc0: <3Com 3C940 Gigabit Ethernet> port 0xe800-0xe8ff mem >> 0xfebd8000-0xfebdbfff irq 15 at device 6.0 on pci7 >> skc0: 3Com Gigabit NIC (3C2000) rev. (0x1) >> sk0: on skc0 >> sk0: Ethernet address: 00:0a:5e:65:ad:c3 >> miibus0: on sk0 >> e1000phy0: on miibus0 >> e1000phy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, 1000baseTX-FDX, >> auto >> >> P.S.: I am using the FreeBSD/amd64. >> >> Brian A. Seklecki wrote: >>> Show us netstat -m on the broken kernel? Show us your dmesg(8) for >>> em(4). >>> >>> TIA, >>> ~BAS >>> >>> On Fri, 2007-03-30 at 11:13 -0300, Thiago Esteves de Oliveira wrote: >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> I've had a problem with one of my FreeBSD servers, the machine has stopped >>>> its network services and then sent these messages: >>>> >>>> -Mar 27 13:00:03 anubis dhcpd: send_packet: No buffer space available >>>> -Mar 27 13:00:26 anubis routed[431]: Send bcast sendto(em0, >>>> 146.164.92.255.520): No buffer space available >>>> >>>> The messages were repeated a lot of times before a temporary solution. I've >>>> changed the kernel(FreeBSD 6.2) to an older one(FreeBSD 6.1) and since then >>>> it's been working well. What happened? >>>> >>>> P.S.: I can give more informations if necessary. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > - ---- > Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) > Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org > Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) > > iD8DBQFGE6UE4QvfyHIvDvMRAlutAJ0WzVTYq99hmx1km2mdXE7pdUC8IgCgt4O1 > eG6kXgqHveumXjkL0t+Q8Q8= > =sieE > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" - ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFGE/ZC4QvfyHIvDvMRAsWoAJwJpD8nCtG0iv5U6LY8ISyyDKxgegCg1eti SezStun7CLDA9pgfrp8GloM= =UwSU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 11 00:23:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFF241065676 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 00:23:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (ns1.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 700378FC18 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 00:23:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9B0LDu8007684; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 17:21:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 17:23:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 17:23:07 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Paul Schmehl Message-ID: <20091011002306.GB73561@thought.org> References: <20091009231954.GA26918@teddy.fas.com> <031c01ca494c$081b7600$18526200$@rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <031c01ca494c$081b7600$18526200$@rr.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 23 years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: 'stan' , 'Free BSD Questions list' Subject: Re: text2html ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 00:23:13 -0000 On Fri, Oct 09, 2009 at 08:50:22PM -0500, Paul Schmehl wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of stan > Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 6:20 PM > To: Free BSD Questions list > Subject: text2html ? > > I had a contractor uppgrade a freebsd machine a while back. Now I am > finding things that did not get done corectly. > > The latest is that I have some other machines that create text files copy > them over to this machine, and put them iin the webservers space. Looks > like in the past, these files were procesed by /usr/local/bin/text2html, > which O would almost certainly have installed from a port. > > But, I cannot seem to find this port. > > Can anyone sugest either where I can find this utlity, or what I might use > as an alternative? The text files to process are very simple reports of > system statistics. > > Thanks for any ideas. My ascii-to-markup [atom] was ported a few months ago. It was ported as v1.0 but I have been working on it since 1994. It maybe overkill, but maybe not... . hth, gary > > > pauls@utd65257# cd /usr/ports/ > pauls@utd65257# make search name=text2html > pauls@utd65257# make search name=txt2html > Port: txt2html-2.51 > Path: /usr/ports/textproc/txt2html > Info: Convert raw text to something with a little HTML formatting > Maint: jadawin@FreeBSD.org > B-deps: p5-ExtUtils-CBuilder-0.24 p5-ExtUtils-ParseXS-2.19 > p5-Getopt-ArgvFile-1.11 p5-Module-Build-0.30 p5-YAML-0.68 p5-YAML-Syck-1.05 > perl-5.8.9 > R-deps: p5-ExtUtils-CBuilder-0.24 p5-ExtUtils-ParseXS-2.19 > p5-Getopt-ArgvFile-1.11 p5-Module-Build-0.30 p5-YAML-0.68 p5-YAML-Syck-1.05 > perl-5.8.9 > WWW: http://txt2html.sourceforge.net/ > > > Paul Schmehl (pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) > In case it isn't already obvious, my opinions > are my own and not those of my employer > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 7.31a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 11 00:44:02 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19BDD106568D for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 00:44:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CA9E8FC1B for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 00:44:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 4so1847130eyf.9 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 17:44:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=PXs2ERK/ocq41VJT9JCxSQAEdqnAhr99+2qbnIjArOc=; b=lB7MAPUopGD6k77IWqWVzS7QBw/nxd9Baw+GyoNO9oH4bFtx5KHvGTwV8FiY3SMMAM xeQOjf8DshLw/CsQ3kM4jhDZiNUi7IjP7hWZis2q6aWdOvXWrsAfsBNn80J9bEkkFkVz NPQO2mpFlrCbryC7Bi5o0onfV0QEDkUWNApes= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=QxmjudviOaDodK/fm4KLL+alFRV7jfRWUequRfsi+La69K+SyhffzNIFw0gqNCYz6a P82o5caB7+YAGYD2w8viuqgkGO2Z/+hXFfOw0eURbZ0fOSWUJ1GpUKM8jq0P6LJVFtXM GTJrl6abjXGYr1wHdkM/AnN6wi5RD5HAM601Y= Received: by 10.210.9.18 with SMTP id 18mr5329229ebi.34.1255221840701; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 17:44:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm2645313eyg.11.2009.10.10.17.43.55 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 10 Oct 2009 17:44:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 01:43:46 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20091011014346.344c37f8@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <877212.65138.qm@web51003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20091010200418.8e880250.freebsd@edvax.de> <877212.65138.qm@web51003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.16.6; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: / almost out of space just after installation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 00:44:02 -0000 On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 12:28:08 -0700 (PDT) Richard Mahlerwein wrote: > The only time I can > really think I'd want /tmp to be in RAM is if I already had too much > RAM for the needs of the box - otherwise, just give me the RAM... But it wouldn't actually be a ram disk, that's just just a misnomer that people, who ought to know better, are throwing around. It would probably be tmpfs. > While I'm reasonably happy rolling my own FS sizes, I would be even > happier if I didn't have to. As long as we're doing the wish list, > I'd guess for this (all numbers significantly flexible): > > Drive < 16 GB = keep current layout? > > Drive > 16 and < 40 GB = > / = 1 GB > swap = 1.5x RAM > /tmp = 2 GB > /var = 2 GB > /usr = remaining space 2 GB each for /var and /tmp is far too high for such small disks, I wouldn't want to squander 4GB like that much below a TB. It's a figure that's hardly ever going to be "about right" either for /tmp or /var, when it isn't far too big, it's likely to be too small. > Drive > 40 GB = > / = 1 GB > swap = 1.5x RAM > /tmp = 2 GB > /var = 2 GB > /usr = 1/2 of remaining space, min 20 GB, max 35 GB > /home = everything else. Having a home directory separate from /usr is often a good idea, but making it part of the default install is a really bad idea IMO. A desktop user with a largish disk may want 98% of it under /home, a server may need next to nothing under /home. The amount needed for /usr also varies enormously. It's so hard to come-up with sensible values that the only sensible thing to do is leave them on the same partition by default. It's not exactly rocket science to add your own /home partition. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 11 01:06:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ED7D1065672 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 01:06:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz (southernuniform.com [66.76.92.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C073A8FC13 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 01:05:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9B158iE001268; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 20:05:23 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at daleco.biz Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ezekiel.daleco.biz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id o5K1Y3q3V6rP; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 20:03:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from archangel.daleco.biz (ezekiel.daleco.biz [66.76.92.18]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9B0hvNL000913; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19:44:18 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Message-ID: <4AD12A4D.5010008@daleco.biz> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19:43:57 -0500 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090929) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeff Laine , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4AD0C4D5.1060308@daleco.biz> <20091010175617.GA84102@free.bsd.loc> In-Reply-To: <20091010175617.GA84102@free.bsd.loc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: Tcpwrappers, sendmail, and unknown hosts... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 01:06:10 -0000 Jeff Laine wrote: > On Sat,10-10-2009 [12:31:01], Kevin Kinsey wrote: >> Seems like a lot of the spam we fight comes from >> hosts with no DNS entries. What about using this? >> >> ---------------------------------- >> $grep sendmail /etc/hosts.allow >> >> sendmail : KNOWN : allow >> sendmail : UNKNOWN : deny >> --------------------------------- >> >> Comments? anyone tried it? >> > > Hi Kevin! > > What you need is 'require_rdns' feature. > Also from my own expirience, dnsbl feature of > Sendmail works great for spammers scum. TYTY! Bang-Smack-Out of the park. Lemme know where I can send {$beverage}. Mail queue (Sendmail dual + amavid-new + spamassassin) is down from 100+ to < 10 after adding that to .mc and rebooting. Thanks a bunch :-) Kevin Kinsey DaleCo, S.P. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 11 02:06:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20159106568B for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 02:06:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from northsidesoxfan@comcast.net) Received: from QMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.96]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC1318FC0C for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 02:06:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from OMTA14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.60]) by QMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id rDCb1c0031HzFnQ59DtaU0; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 01:53:34 +0000 Received: from comcast.net ([69.139.118.74]) by OMTA14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id rDta1c0081cPj1R3aDtald; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 01:53:34 +0000 Received: by comcast.net (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1001 northsidesoxfan@comcast.net; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 20:51:49 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 20:51:49 -0500 From: Bryan Cassidy To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20091011015149.GA48407@comcast.net.> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X=Operating-System: 'uname -a' Subject: ASUS M4A78T-E Motherboard X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 02:06:50 -0000 Hi, I am in the process of building a new PC and I am building this machine (one of three... second will be OpenBSD Firewall for FreeBSD and a third one for Windows.. you know games and all that stuff) and I am wondering if I will have any problems with this motherboard amd its chipset. North Bridge is AMD 790GX and South Bridge is AMD SB750. it comes with a VIA VT1708S onboard soundcard and the handbook states the VIA VT1708 is supported so I am hoping it is the case with this one. Second, ATI Radeon HD 3300 onboard video. I keep coming up with info that states it is suppported and last is the Atheros L1E onboard LAN card. I will give you a rundown of what I want to do and maybe I can get some advice on hardware and how I approach this. I mainly use FreeBSD for my daily machine because I just enjoy using FreeBSD and it is just what I need for a day to day use. I have a 23" LCD right now hookup via VGA on my laptop and when the machine I am building is done I would like to run a triple LCD setup. I've always wanted to run OpenBSD as a firewall and so I would like to build a basic machine with no sound, and no video to serve this purpose. I would like to also run Apache and run my own website. The third machine for Windows I might just partition one of my hard drives (I will be getting 3 Seagate Barracuda LP ST32000542AS 2TB hard drives. Total 6 TBs.) and put Windows on it and just by another video card for extreme gaming or something. I am kinda new to building my own PC so some opinions on this would be greatly appreciated. Also, as a side note, the specs above would be just to get it started and I would eventually add my own PCI NIC card, PCI sound, and PCI Video card. Any and all thoughts are welcome. Thanks for any help. hoping that everything will work out of box with FreeBSD. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 11 02:22:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D4901065672 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 02:22:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dead_line@hotmail.com) Received: from snt0-omc2-s25.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc2-s25.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.100]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FC288FC15 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 02:22:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from SNT103-W62 ([65.55.90.71]) by snt0-omc2-s25.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19:22:32 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [219.67.152.99] From: Marwan Sultan To: , Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 02:22:31 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <87ocof6ky1.fsf@kobe.laptop> References: <35f70db10910091408x38271c39t80d669a5c61f6898@mail.gmail.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Oct 2009 02:22:32.0179 (UTC) FILETIME=[B00D7430:01CA4A19] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: RE: best FBSD version for commercial use. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 02:22:32 -0000 =20 > From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr > To: ross.cameron@linuxpro.co.za > CC: dead_line@hotmail.com=3B freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: best FBSD version for commercial use. > Date: Sat=2C 10 Oct 2009 23:41:26 +0300 >=20 > On Fri=2C 9 Oct 2009 23:08:42 +0200=2C Ross Cameron w= rote: > >On Fri=2C Oct 9=2C 2009 at 8:28 PM=2C Marwan Sultan wrote: > >> Hello Gurus=2C > >> Im planing to move out of my FreeBSD 4.8-R! which served me like a > >> charm for many years. > >> > >> But not sure if I should go for 6.3 or 7.2 > >> > >> This server will be a DNS server=2C apache=2C shell accounts..php=2C m= ysql. > > > > I would definitely go with a 7.2 install (until 8.0 is marked as > > production ready by the fBSD dev team). >=20 > Excellent advice :-) >=20 > To the original poster: >=20 And the original poster thanks you back=2C and thanks everyone replied or gave my email attention. =20 Yes FBSD 7.2 could be the best for now.. =20 Why did i send the email in the first place? some releases may have issues! I remember 5.2 and 5.1..I had problems with = it. this is why i stuck to my old 4.8 also I had a new project with radius=2C accounting=2C chillispot..when i in= stalled 7.0 things didnot work as i expected.. take a note it was identical configuration to 6.2..so i had to roll back t= o 6.2.. =20 This time its a commercial use=2C and remote administration=2C so i didnot = want to take the risk of having a wrong "commercial version" =20 Thanks everyone. Marwan Sultan System Administrator =0A= _________________________________________________________________=0A= Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft.=0A= http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 11 02:27:29 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FDF8106568F for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 02:27:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEAE18FC1A for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 02:27:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.22]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 10 Oct 2009 22:27:28 -0400 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.10.7-GA) with ESMTP id QFV45364; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 22:26:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-6-22-227.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.22.227]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 10 Oct 2009 22:26:03 -0400 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19153.16953.760420.694194@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 22:26:01 -0400 To: Bryan Cassidy In-Reply-To: <20091011015149.GA48407@comcast.net.> References: <20091011015149.GA48407@comcast.net.> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: ASUS M4A78T-E Motherboard X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 02:27:29 -0000 Bryan Cassidy writes: > ... I am wondering if I will have any problems with this > motherboard amd its chipset. North Bridge is AMD 790GX and South > Bridge is AMD SB750. it comes with a VIA VT1708S onboard > soundcard and the handbook states the VIA VT1708 is supported so > I am hoping it is the case with this one. Second, ATI Radeon HD > 3300 onboard video. The machine on which I am composing this has a different motherboard (ASrock AOD290GX) but the same NorthBridge and integrated graphics. Works fine. (Except for one teeny thing, which I'm hoping is due to a bad BIOS setting. Symptom: "shutdown -p now" works as expected. "shutdown -r now" ... tha machine shuts down but does not restart. No screen messages, no nothing - just a one-way trip into the Twilight Zone. A teeny problem, since ot pnly gets rebooted on kernel upgrade.) Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 11 02:31:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F8A61065672 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 02:31:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0D998FC13 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 02:31:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.22]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 10 Oct 2009 22:31:18 -0400 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.10.7-GA) with ESMTP id QFV45601; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 22:30:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-6-22-227.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.22.227]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 10 Oct 2009 22:30:40 -0400 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19153.17231.751627.733206@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 22:30:39 -0400 To: Robert Huff In-Reply-To: <19153.16953.760420.694194@jerusalem.litteratus.org> References: <20091011015149.GA48407@comcast.net.> <19153.16953.760420.694194@jerusalem.litteratus.org> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Bryan Cassidy Subject: ASUS M4A78T-E Motherboard X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 02:31:19 -0000 Robert Huff writes: > The machine on which I am composing this has a different > motherboard (ASrock AOD290GX) s/AOD290GX/AOD790GX/ Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 11 02:43:27 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B50B1065672 for ; 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Message-ID: <59022.94044.qm@web51005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 2FpqxyQVM1knYDizHEgCxu0IPVeyWAjbCFaQRj_v3EMiQexGUGkqlT1hhJo8kWtji7_9y4fWQR3fa.ZnpejxQ1ECjutxa0eFSbmE8mDXfZFBS9be7m5qFHrVC0n4Z5nRPQLlIoHtl7Wr_F6kqBeB1eZcHZiHHeOjSKRriBneeHcTulo0Q1fIxDgORvVuG5u4EAHpKcbttxBzdJmLzzuoAXJ1hqbfPcFZrOT3mzUj9z5a1cLdqhl8uRijQ_EfNOh9D4Nh0rJM7WYlpPNzRRQEJYPWKYl5KO7b8b2TRgtwumeEYuv30zgCgMQDXb2jx_UKp7aPHkidGlAka185_W_fS98pjTNr3Joa6T9cMB.Y8TuzfQ4gQ4cC36kgAxuIoZmO1PlgBbxjQGXRZl1iEAB9psjGkrxEiHCEAqN_SMI- Received: from [71.117.53.27] by web51005.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19:43:25 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/7.0.14 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.3 Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19:43:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Mahlerwein To: FreeBSD-Questions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: RW Subject: Re: / almost out of space just after installation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: mahlerrd@yahoo.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 02:43:27 -0000 --- On Sat, 10/10/09, RW wrote: >From: RW >Subject: Re: / almost out of space just after installation >To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >Date: Saturday, October 10, 2009, 8:43 PM > >On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 12:28:08 -0700 (PDT) >Richard Mahlerwein wrote: > >> The only time I can >> really think I'd want /tmp to be in RAM is if I already had too much >> RAM for the needs of the box - otherwise, just give me the RAM... > >But it wouldn't actually be a ram disk, that's just just a misnomer >that people, who ought to know better, are throwing around. It >would probably be tmpfs. Correction (or at least correction to precision) noted.=A0 I'd still rather= use it as RAM the regular way.=A0 :) >> While I'm reasonably happy rolling my own FS sizes, I would be even >> happier if I didn't have to.=A0 As long as we're doing the wish list, >> I'd guess for this (all numbers significantly flexible): >>=20 >> Drive < 16 GB =3D keep current layout? >>=20 >> Drive > 16 and < 40 GB =3D=20 >> / =3D 1 GB >> swap =3D 1.5x RAM=20 >> /tmp =3D 2 GB >> /var =3D 2 GB >> /usr =3D remaining space > >2 GB each for /var and /tmp is far too high for such=A0 small disks, I >wouldn't want to squander 4GB like that much below a TB. It's a figure >that's hardly ever going to be "about right" either for /tmp or /var, >when it isn't far too big, it's likely to be too small. So, your opinion is that if 768 MB (or 512 MB, or 1G, whatever) isn't enoug= h, then it's likely that 2 GB also isn't enough?=A0 That those who need mor= e than the default /var and /tmp often (or usually) need a LOT more?=A0 Rea= sonable, and I am not sure I could disagree with that completely. =A0=20 I was approaching it from perhaps a slightly different tack, though.=A0 Wha= t I was thinking of was of defaults for people who will use the defaults.= =A0 Someone running=A0 a mail server is unlikely to use the defaults, and y= ou are completely correct that they'd need a lot more space in /var.=A0 But= , average Joe may just use it for fiddling around with.=A0 Maybe one day he= 'll start fiddling with MySQL or perhaps even trying to partially or comple= tely host his own email.=A0 I'd like him, with his 250 GB drive, to have en= ough space to at least play with that for a while without worrying overly m= uch about running out of room or having to move DB files or something. For that matter, I wonder if the solution for those sorts is to make a 'sim= ple' mode that does swap and one big partition for everything else?=A0=A0 O= r make 'auto' do that, and let everyone else use their own sizes? Thinking out loud here: What if 'auto' did one big /, and 'advanced' only l= aid in the partitions without sizes at all, then for each you'd have to jus= t tell it how big to make it.=A0 A special option would be on the /home one= , which would be to symlink it to /usr/home.=A0 Not that this would happen = any time soon - that code doesn't look to be easily convertable to somethig= n like this.=20 >> Drive > 40 GB =3D=20 >> / =3D 1 GB >> swap =3D 1.5x RAM=20 >> /tmp =3D 2 GB >> /var =3D 2 GB >> /usr =3D 1/2 of remaining space, min 20 GB, max 35 GB >> /home =3D everything else. > > >Having a home directory separate from /usr is often a good idea, but >making it part of the default install is a really bad idea IMO.=20 > >A desktop user with a largish disk may want=A0 98% of it >under /home, a server may need next to nothing under /home. The amount >needed for /usr also varies enormously. I had been assuming that someone setting up a server was unlikely to accept= the default 'a'uto sizes and would have rolled their own.=A0 Under the sch= eme I had above, the desktop user with a large disk - say 1 TB - would have= ended up with 1TB - (1 GB / + ~4 GB swap + 2 GB /var + 2 GB /tmp + 35 GB /= usr) =3D about 950 GB in /home.=A0 (Or, well, that'd be what, 870MB out of = 925MB or something?)=20 A server with that same drive would likely never have had the 'a' key press= ed inside disklabel.=20 >It's so hard to come-up with sensible values that the only sensible >thing to do is leave them on the same partition by default. It's not >exactly rocket science to add your own /home partition. I do agree to some extent.=A0 On the other hand, what's the 'a'uto key do n= ow?=A0 / seems a bit small, notice the OP's subject?=A0 I've never had this= problem, though...=20 Hmm.=A0 All food for thought.=A0=20 =0A=0A=0A From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 11 03:48:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E6CA1065670 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 03:48:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vogelke@hcst.com) Received: from beta.hcst.com (beta.hcst.com [192.52.183.241]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23FCD8FC1E for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 03:48:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from beta.hcst.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beta.hcst.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n9B3mhVS019593 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 23:48:43 -0400 Received: (from vogelke@localhost) by beta.hcst.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id n9B3mhP0019592; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 23:48:43 -0400 Received: by kev.msw.wpafb.af.mil (Postfix, from userid 32768) id 778E7BE63; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 22:49:26 -0400 (EDT) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <319011.88077.qm@web51006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> (message from Richard Mahlerwein on Sat, 10 Oct 2009 07:41:19 -0700 (PDT)) Organization: Oasis Systems Inc. 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X-GPG-ID: 1024D/711752A0 2006-06-27 Karl Vogel X-GPG-Fingerprint: 56EB 6DBF 4224 C953 F417 CC99 4C7C 7D46 7117 52A0 Message-Id: <20091011024926.778E7BE63@kev.msw.wpafb.af.mil> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 22:49:26 -0400 (EDT) From: vogelke+unix@pobox.com (Karl Vogel) Subject: Re: conky calendar X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: vogelke+unix@pobox.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 03:48:45 -0000 You can use the terminal standout codes to highlight today's date, but you need either the Linux compatibility stuff or a recent version of ncurses installed: #!/bin/ksh PATH=/usr/compat/linux/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin:/bin:/usr/bin export PATH DAY=$(date +%d | sed 's/0\([123456789]\)/ \1/') SMSO=$(tput smso) RMSO=$(tput rmso) cal | sed -e 's/^/ /' -e "3,\$s/ ${DAY}/ ${SMSO}${DAY}${RMSO}/" exit 0 -- Karl Vogel I don't speak for the USAF or my company Letterman's top signs your cat is trying to kill you #9: To tune of Meow Mix song sings, "Kill kill kill kill, kill kill kill kill" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 11 04:24:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 971F41065679 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 04:24:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f218.google.com (mail-ew0-f218.google.com [209.85.219.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 224298FC1B for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 04:24:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy18 with SMTP id 18so2064000ewy.43 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 21:24:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=oOB2Oj1ZoP+RhledS/CG3dh0YZN2nOS2RwaJfK5Lbx4=; b=Ev/UcKiTDUUVUBRjxsLRUZmLT1jeOWCyaaJejY4vyZH+0iY8sxcHK7I2Xff7mzkPTf tZNmFn+Tqui6SYTUQgHi6xA3zr5RZw15VgdhnPrgrkOsmAgCc7ER4RyaKFD9BLiVDJns EseGn2aYPe9u+BdSI9GHw7A4ASWoPOoOi3ZmY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=EkZpdfChR/vMv+0G0ONIulTBd0r8rCaLZHcYGwOj9/0diuoeF6xPDgTul8sXJMCQU2 LzQedDYHlYkeXeZIFfuxRCTCrRrPskfCwQv2gm7A1jlBWmm3dEj0O1TmQ/kD7pUsJZCi dJM8PEl4VKFj1HLG7SjUvxlrklET2mYLDONQ8= Received: by 10.211.161.22 with SMTP id n22mr2360667ebo.83.1255235048376; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 21:24:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 10sm3664707eyz.8.2009.10.10.21.24.06 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 10 Oct 2009 21:24:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 05:24:04 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20091011052404.4227bf84@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <59022.94044.qm@web51005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <59022.94044.qm@web51005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.16.6; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: / almost out of space just after installation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 04:24:10 -0000 On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19:43:25 -0700 (PDT) Richard Mahlerwein wrote: > --- On Sat, 10/10/09, RW wrote: >=20 > >But it wouldn't actually be a ram disk, that's just just a misnomer > >that people, who ought to know better, are throwing around. It > >would probably be tmpfs. >=20 > Correction (or at least correction to precision) noted.=A0 I'd still > rather use it as RAM the regular way.=A0 :) You can't, there is no "regular way", it's not 1975 anymore: http://varnish.projects.linpro.no/wiki/ArchitectNotes If you allocate 1.5 x RAM to swap, your system will grind to a halt long before you half-fill it with conventional paging, so you might as well allow tmpfs to use a substantial amount to back /tmp. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 11 08:11:57 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C92FF1065695 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 08:11:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (aristotle.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6956D8FC16 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 08:11:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9B89vJk010799 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 01:09:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 01:11:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 01:11:52 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <20091011081151.GA98601@thought.org> References: <20091009083516.GA60096@thought.org> <200910091026.n99AQPUv014685@lurza.secnetix.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <200910091026.n99AQPUv014685@lurza.secnetix.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 23 years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: Subject: Re: for perl wizards. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 08:11:57 -0000 On Fri, Oct 09, 2009 at 12:26:25PM +0200, Oliver Fromme wrote: > Gary Kline wrote: > > > > Whenever I save a wordpeocessoe file [OOo, say] into a > > text file, I get a slew of hex codes to indicate the char to be > > used. I'm looking for a perl one-liner or script to translate > > hex back into ', ", -- [that's a dash), and so forth. Why does > > this fail to trans the hex code to an apostrophe? > > > > perl -pi.bak -e 's/\xe2\x80\x99/'/g' > > You need to escape the inner quote character, of course. > I think sed is better suited for this task than perl. > > > If there any another other tools, I'm interested! > > That "hex code" rather looks like UTF-8. > > For conversion between character encodings I recommend recode > from the ports collection (ports/converters/recode). > For example, to convert file.txt from UTF-8 to ISO8859-15: > > $ recode utf8..iso8859-15 file.txt > > To preserve the previous file contents, do this: > > $ recode utf8..iso8859-15 new.txt recode works just fine, thanks. i'm not sure if openoffice asks to use 8859-1 or utf8, but yes, the text is interspersperced with bits of utf8. FWIW, I did check this on google before my post; still couldn't find anything that worked. and of course, above, with the " ' " i did try escaping the punctuation. my shell gave me problems regardless. dunno ... so i asked here:-) thanks to everyone, gary > > Best regards > Oliver > > -- > Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. M. > Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, Geschäftsfuehrung: > secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht Mün- > chen, HRB 125758, Geschäftsführer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf Gebhart > > FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd > > "Python tricks" is a tough one, cuz the language is so clean. E.g., > C makes an art of confusing pointers with arrays and strings, which > leads to lotsa neat pointer tricks; APL mistakes everything for an > array, leading to neat one-liners; and Perl confuses everything > period, making each line a joyous adventure . > -- Tim Peters -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 7.31a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 11 12:31:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D07D51065672 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12:31:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nehe@telus.net) Received: from defout.telus.net (defout.telus.net [204.209.205.55]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 845A98FC13 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12:31:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edmwaa03.telusplanet.net ([75.156.146.21]) by priv-edmwes33.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091011123143.MSBO25474.priv-edmwes33.telusplanet.net@edmwaa03.telusplanet.net> for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 06:31:43 -0600 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (d75-156-146-21.abhsia.telus.net [75.156.146.21]) by edmwaa03.telusplanet.net (BorderWare Security Platform) with ESMTP id 9FF51364E3C22871 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 06:31:43 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4AD1D030.2020905@telus.net> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 06:31:44 -0600 From: Jeff Molofee User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20091010002414.AD5F81065742@hub.freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <20091010002414.AD5F81065742@hub.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Miro - BSD 8.X X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12:31:44 -0000 Has anyone had luck getting Miro to run in BSD 8.X... I can see up to "checking movies folder"... no error... nothing... it just stops... and drops back to the prompt... don't see any errors in the logs. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 11 13:31:51 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99D3C1065693 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 13:31:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amsibamsi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f218.google.com (mail-ew0-f218.google.com [209.85.219.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2841D8FC15 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 13:31:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy18 with SMTP id 18so2212919ewy.43 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 06:31:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:mime-version :content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc:content-transfer-encoding :message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=wIt2MPI9yfA240Gd57G//P43ix85Wkn60kv20GWnR7E=; b=Wt6K97kIk5VN1DjhITqfymjn6sbwAzFPJH3zl4sdRf24GhWV+dXBXm08bHyBDXLv/g k10YteTF8PXLT8aoZzgijvo09WSulx21C7XiZ+jK1toZlG/6EWUtGV7+f2QJ7N0fUVX6 M64D4N/H5HAVldvM/PSNVoihhcBamx/xwiMUg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; b=aRa9mOsq/jFij/txqouWBH08EuBTlOr19UPzLMViC2r5R+dEFnz98WcTTkahOjjdRU e+AZxB8kxbzU+62nW2UduDnvigvXO/JCIvV42NTxwu9hGSlNpBkPOjoVU73ZmNQOhAQg M8GjYBpJki490fYqsadxcBPe6non0hS5bhpyw= Received: by 10.211.159.19 with SMTP id l19mr2915270ebo.43.1255267910258; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 06:31:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.10.2.2? (80-219-26-31.dclient.hispeed.ch [80.219.26.31]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 10sm131920eyd.46.2009.10.11.06.31.49 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 11 Oct 2009 06:31:49 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes From: Anselm Strauss In-Reply-To: <744E86AA-8024-4A1D-903A-11B6177B4D95@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:31:48 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <4836FC82-7B2D-48C5-83EE-3FFD0CDD3C9C@gmail.com> References: <744E86AA-8024-4A1D-903A-11B6177B4D95@gmail.com> To: Anselm Strauss X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gpart mbr scheme X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 13:31:51 -0000 Aha, GEOM_PART_MBR is not enabled by default in the 7.2 kernel. That changes with 8.0: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/amd64/conf/DEFAULTS.diff?r1=1.10.8%3ARELENG_7_2&tr1=1.10.8.1&r2=1.19.2%3ARELENG_8&tr2=1.19.2.1 I recompiled my kernel, now it works! On Oct 10, 2009, at 22:08 , Anselm Strauss wrote: > Hi, > > I'm trying to partition a compact flash card with gpart. When I want > to create a new MBR scheme it always complains: > > -> gpart create -s mbr da0 > gpart: scheme 'mbr': Invalid argument > > The GPT scheme works fine: > > -> gpart create -s gpt da0 > da0 created > -> gpart show da0 > => 34 8027645 da0 GPT (3.8G) > 34 8027645 - free - (3.8G) > -> gpart destroy da0 > da0 destroyed > > The kernel driver seems to be loaded: > > -> kldstat -v | grep mbr > 278 g_mbr > 277 g_mbrext > > Does gpart in 7.2 not support MBR partitioning? > > > Cheers, > Anselm From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 11 14:18:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 779051065679 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:18:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from snailboy1@yahoo.com) Received: from web57008.mail.re3.yahoo.com (web57008.mail.re3.yahoo.com [66.196.97.112]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1C78A8FC22 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:18:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 61260 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Oct 2009 14:18:42 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1255270722; bh=46b/lQY00pdFt2tPQACy0lXBdIqAu92WtGrqQ5jehYo=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=XxQKmhHcfe2fQVAZ5G3xMz7XZUNuw3d2SJ2m5hSYUCX6jq7JWToBOQIPwxRiAFUtv80oY5eYWQQOnGyHblaAitsyLGro6GuMaxsYm/eXkCEDv5ZWGwTzsOPzjVm+MGrIpLPPFHOpdMbrTQhTjwk5SZFEsaYPgF6N8TLurnIbIcg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=yLorIguIT49wFNXMchCnvHCDcZbM7GKpApB41PrNJ4/xefSzu2jCJqttzBJbDw3jNfKKUPx0/J4ErtL0u5MYZGu3h8w/kQSUVTU+niBDFhNH2Fms1nTVWbTSdyv5Ax+Kkf3nUUYHlgB678EK8HZ+nULTUsnB19VDlcQEyb2CpkY=; Message-ID: <391701.61251.qm@web57008.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: elsRirQVM1mnmczpYfMIakxAFjXx2BNsOzyQeuRrtK7gI_2zPADC2tX2Whwy04_pXhip_JK9r_IMJfDpUxMxY_rdH_TebG7a5QFqVmD55flbIseVanFuiemi4.m6PgClo.lf8F1EDmWenHbcgEmIt0WonAf92ifFwcyUi89fn8XuZBn.Zbx1gCNQaaAUNKUb_Bkn2pzGfvdQ3_S76OvD0zvgCAExIOlMqVr2..l9xdMogbCnMGXNCeP14FvQP8nxVolagV4u9Jr0Bx3zpu5n0u0EYu9T8DgM4OWmGogHvFcZRnEer.AFB6dAsnndFUhu0Rr0bGoR4eFEjmIW3NKyB9XIXVA1wXHiQJx28oyYkWXc.caux1SaBE_uzo2qvYXfGg1DGZz1XpTlL2g76N8CNeY- Received: from [76.202.128.204] by web57008.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 07:18:42 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/7.0.14 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.3 Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 07:18:42 -0700 (PDT) From: David LeCount To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: cdrecord returning inappropriate ioctl X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:18:43 -0000 I'm not sure when this started. I thought it might have started when I adde= d my RAID controller which has SCSI emulation too, but the error still occu= rs when I remove it. So I'm guessing it started when I upgraded to 8.0 RC1 = from 7 stable. I have a Pioneer DVD-RW. Burncd doesn't support it so I've always used cdre= cord, but a few days ago, it gave me this error: [root@bahamut ~]# cdrecord -scanbus Cdrecord-Clone 2.01 (i386-unknown-freebsd7.0) Copyright (C) 1995-2004 J=F6r= g Schilling cdrecord: Inappropriate ioctl for device. CAMIOCOMMAND ioctl failed. Cannot= open SCSI driver. cdrecord: For possible targets try 'cdrecord -scanbus'. cdrecord: For possible transport specifiers try 'cdrecord dev=3Dhelp'. Camcontrol works fine. [root@bahamut ~]# camcontrol devlist at scbus0 target 0 lun 0 (pass0) at scbus0 target 1 lun 0 (pass1) at scbus0 target 2 lun 0 (pass2) at scbus3 target 0 lun 0 (cd0,pass3) I tried using cdrecord with lun 3,0,0 as reported by camcontrol and got the= same error as with -scanbus. I'm thinking this is a bug with either cdreco= rd or the kernel, but I thought I'd check here first to make sure I haven't= missed something.=0A=0A=0A From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 11 14:24:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01B821065692 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:24:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B66C08FC14 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:24:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-71-245.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.71.245]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A60A3C9AC; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16:24:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n9BEO01M004064; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16:24:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16:23:59 +0200 From: Polytropon To: David LeCount Message-Id: <20091011162359.8ced8985.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <391701.61251.qm@web57008.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <391701.61251.qm@web57008.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cdrecord returning inappropriate ioctl X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:24:03 -0000 The first thing that I've seen, allthough it may be completely unrelated, is this: On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 07:18:42 -0700 (PDT), David LeCount wrote: > So I'm guessing it started when I upgraded to 8.0 RC1 from 7 stable. ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^ and then > Cdrecord-Clone 2.01 (i386-unknown-freebsd7.0) [...] ^^^ Maybe - just maybe - it's neccessary to recompile cdrecord? -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 11 15:04:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95783106568F for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:04:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 553F88FC0A for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:04:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9BF41gd040364; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 09:04:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n9BF41Yk040361; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 09:04:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 09:04:01 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20091011162359.8ced8985.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <391701.61251.qm@web57008.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <20091011162359.8ced8985.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.2 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 11 Oct 2009 09:04:01 -0600 (MDT) Cc: David LeCount , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cdrecord returning inappropriate ioctl X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:04:06 -0000 On Sun, 11 Oct 2009, Polytropon wrote: > The first thing that I've seen, allthough it may be completely > unrelated, is this: > > On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 07:18:42 -0700 (PDT), David LeCount wrote: >> So I'm guessing it started when I upgraded to 8.0 RC1 from 7 stable. > ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^ > and then > >> Cdrecord-Clone 2.01 (i386-unknown-freebsd7.0) [...] > ^^^ > Maybe - just maybe - it's neccessary to recompile cdrecord? After a major version upgrade, it's necessary to rebuild all ports. -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 11 15:32:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43AEB106566B for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:32:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from snailboy1@yahoo.com) Received: from web57002.mail.re3.yahoo.com (web57002.mail.re3.yahoo.com [66.196.97.106]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8EF1F8FC21 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:32:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 97529 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Oct 2009 15:32:09 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1255275129; bh=A5tqTA/MhC/GKv7i5b7PBAAquxHsqtcEZMfi80XMxbs=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=q4iJV8rHj6RvmMGZk17ua7ChW2F7O2zLe4a9aiHW3Ldu936dFH4QvB/bdVeiiV0VYtcCk9qb4j94lJ+pq9kSYR91Qtb4LEFbXXKm6H0aRb2yX+PvM4RhJLAO1PNZQKNg/KRxG10BVrIM3tz8LY8VX9YWdj8WvSjHTk/MwvKTOyg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=BCdSG+u/fBDvevbISXbBauENkB03X6jo1qD++rHag+8iC+PZvZH6tuINsO6KczF+VT/sky1UivUhzgr01UaO3QXCdEfWxCi3ZMxFb6MhOrkS8j3t1r/HurtVj9baKyFv8uu18GVvXcdC9bJzKPZsDH+YSFIcq3TaLxFmixmYsyA=; Message-ID: <9836.97426.qm@web57002.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Qf25j4AVM1mz0TpAMAOQwhDfARHRgHF_cJITSdgt_At25bFdJXIeaesfvP14B2E6cNugvhfJ7kuQqhg5XYmL2dqQdC2PVikbc7T0lQcb8o7XfFfi8GY4OesVmtl7UJEV6L9oioUMiRPpqeq5yeZJNh78hSeTAn3YGH680kR672NHr8lqMj.M_vS7x9wXDoIlSpyWA2CruPKguKz0fRX9wn1gEsnO1Nm.JwZehyRZieq49JEdSeMcCzcd3uVKvgkYRDoxuvUnmiujtiqVTW6dAR6MV16OR2YaKRNVXOHt6z7MbgKKxOT6U.SLpjepj_F.w0fz5FzlPOSCzAMwBsxYd3KRvyZGO4KFVBj7uTn50Ca1nBV5fpXP0EZmPkd4WluhbxR2KH8zWE5fvp3Zlq88Wd.hfmA- Received: from [76.202.128.204] by web57002.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 08:32:08 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/7.0.14 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.3 Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 08:32:08 -0700 (PDT) From: David LeCount To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20091011162359.8ced8985.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: cdrecord returning inappropriate ioctl X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:32:10 -0000 > Maybe - just maybe - it's neccessary to recompile > cdrecord? I knew it would be something simple I missed. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 11 17:05:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62C03106566B for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:05:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mlobo@digiart.art.br) Received: from sv4.hmnoc.net (sv4.hmnoc.net [63.247.76.174]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F09C8FC14 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:05:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [187.78.191.87] (port=56634 helo=papi.localnet) by sv4.hmnoc.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mx1rQ-0007xA-D5 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:05:33 -0300 From: Mario Lobo To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:05:08 -0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.12.1 (FreeBSD/8.0-RC1; KDE/4.3.1; amd64; ; ) References: <20091011015149.GA48407@comcast.net.> In-Reply-To: <20091011015149.GA48407@comcast.net.> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200910111405.08542.mlobo@digiart.art.br> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sv4.hmnoc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - digiart.art.br Subject: Re: ASUS M4A78T-E Motherboard X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:05:34 -0000 On Saturday 10 October 2009 22:51:49 Bryan Cassidy wrote: > Hi, I am in the process of building a new PC and I am building this > machine (one of three... second will be OpenBSD Firewall for FreeBSD and a > third one for Windows.. you know games and all that stuff) and I am > wondering if I will have any problems with this motherboard amd its > chipset. North Bridge is AMD 790GX and South Bridge is AMD SB750. it comes > with a VIA VT1708S onboard soundcard and the handbook states the VIA > VT1708 is supported so I am hoping it is the case with this one. Second, > ATI Radeon HD 3300 onboard video. I keep coming up with info that states > it is suppported and last is the Atheros L1E onboard LAN card. > > I will give you a rundown of what I want to do and maybe I can get some > advice on hardware and how I approach this. I mainly use FreeBSD for my > daily machine because I just enjoy using FreeBSD and it is just what I > need for a day to day use. I have a 23" LCD right now hookup via VGA on my > laptop and when the machine I am building is done I would like to run a > triple LCD setup. I've always wanted to run OpenBSD as a firewall and so I > would like to build a basic machine with no sound, and no video to serve > this purpose. I would like to also run Apache and run my own website. The > third machine for Windows I might just partition one of my hard drives (I > will be getting 3 Seagate Barracuda LP ST32000542AS 2TB hard drives. Total > 6 TBs.) and put Windows on it and just by another video card for extreme > gaming or something. I am kinda new to building my own PC so some opinions > on this would be greatly appreciated. > > Also, as a side note, the specs above would be just to get it started and I > would eventually add my own PCI NIC card, PCI sound, and PCI Video card. > Any and all thoughts are welcome. Thanks for any help. > > hoping that everything will work out of box with FreeBSD. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Hi Bryan; I think I have exactly the same MoBo. ASRock AOD790GX. I am running FreeBSD 8.0 RC1 amd64 and everything is working fine here. I use it as my desktop. I've got it dual booting with XP because I need it for my Audio projects. I have an extra PCI sound card on it because of its MIDI port. In fact I use it as my main sound output on FreeBSD. I also have another sound card but FreeBSD doesnt have drivers for It but I only use it in XP anyway. -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since version 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] (99,7% winedows FREE) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 11 17:54:29 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 427CE10656DE; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:54:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danger@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E0BA8FC0C; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:54:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9BHsTe4004836; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:54:29 GMT (envelope-from danger@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from danger@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n9BHsTI8004835; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:54:29 GMT (envelope-from danger) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:54:29 +0000 From: Daniel Gerzo To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20091011175428.GA3626@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: stable@FreeBSD.org, questions@FreeBSD.org, current@FreeBSD.org Subject: FreeBSD Status Reports April - September, 2009 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: monthly@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:54:29 -0000 FreeBSD Quarterly Status Report Introduction This report covers FreeBSD related projects between April and September 2009. During that time a lot of work has been done on wide variety of projects, including the Google Summer of Code projects. The BSDCan conference was held in Ottawa, CA, in May. The EuroBSDCon conference was held in Cambridge, UK, in September. Both events were very successful. A new major version of FreeBSD, 8.0 is to be released soon. If you are wondering what's new in this long-awaited release, read Ivan Voras' excellent summary. Thanks to all the reporters for the excellent work! We hope you enjoy the reading. Please note that the next deadline for submissions covering reports between October and December 2009 is January 15th, 2010. __________________________________________________________________ Google Summer of Code * About Google Summer of Code 2009 * BSD-licensed iconv (Summer of Code 2009) * BSD-licensed text-processing tools (Summer of Code 2008) * Ext2fs Status report (Summer of Code 2009) * libnetstat(3) - networking statistics (Summer of Code 2009) * pefs - stacked cryptographic filesystem (Summer of Code 2009) Projects * BSD# Project * Clang replacing GCC in the base system * FreeBSD TDM Framework * Grand Central Dispatch - FreeBSD port * libprocstat(3) - process statistics * New BSD licensed debugger * NFSv4 ACLs * The Newcons project * VirtualBox on FreeBSD FreeBSD Team Reports * FreeBSD Bugbusting Team * FreeBSD KDE Team * FreeBSD Ports Management Team * Release Engineering Status Report * The FreeBSD Foundation Status Report Network Infrastructure * Enhancing the FreeBSD TCP Implementation * Modular Congestion Control * Network Stack Virtualization * Stream Control Transmission Protocol (SCTP) Kernel * FreeBSD/ZFS * hwpmc for MIPS Documentation * The FreeBSD Dutch Documentation Project * The FreeBSD German Documentation Project * The FreeBSD Hungarian Documentation Project * The FreeBSD Spanish Documentation Project Architectures * FreeBSD/sparc64 Ports * FreeBSD Gecko Project * Portmaster - utility to assist users with managing ports * Valgrind suite on FreeBSD Miscellaneous * EuroBSDcon 2009 * FreeBSD Developer Summit, Cambridge UK * New approach to the locale database * The FreeBSD Forums __________________________________________________________________ About Google Summer of Code 2009 URL: http://socghop.appspot.com/org/home/google/gsoc2009/freebsd URL: http://wiki.freebsd.org/SummerOfCode2009Projects Contact: Brooks Davis Contact: Tim Kientzle Contact: Robert Watson 2009 was The FreeBSD Project's fifth year of participation in the Google Summer of Code. We had a total of 17 successful projects. Some GSoC code will be shipping with FreeBSD 8.0-RELEASE and others will be integrated into future releases. The FreeBSD GSoC admin team would like to thank Google and our students and mentors of another great year! __________________________________________________________________ BSD# Project URL: http://code.google.com/p/bsd-sharp/ URL: http://www.mono-project.org/ Contact: Romain TartiÄre The BSD# Project is devoted to porting the Mono .NET framework and applications to the FreeBSD operating system. During the past year, the BSD# Team continued to track the Mono development and the lang/mono port have almost always been up-to-date (we however had to skip mono-2.2 because of some regression issues in this release). Most of our patches have been merged in the mono trunk upstream, and should be included in the upcoming mono-2.6 release. In the meantime, a few more .NET related ports have been updated or added to the FreeBSD ports tree. These ports include: * www/xsp and www/mod_mono that make it possible to use FreeBSD for hosting ASP.NET application; * lang/boo, a CLI-targeted programming language similar to Python; * lang/mono-basic, the Visual Basic .NET Framework for Mono; * devel/monodevelop, an Integrated Development Environment for .NET; * and much more... Open tasks: 1. Test mono ports and send feedback (we are especially interested in tests where NOPORTDOCS / WITH_DEBUG is enabled). 2. Port the mono-debugger to FreeBSD. 3. Build a debug live-image of FreeBSD so that Mono hackers without a FreeBSD box can help us fixing bugs more efficiently. __________________________________________________________________ BSD-licensed iconv (Summer of Code 2009) URL: http://wiki.freebsd.org/G%C3%A1borSoC2009 Contact: Gábor Kövesdán The code has been extracted from NetBSD and has been transformed into an independent shared library. The basic encodings are well supported. Almost all forward conversions (foo -> UTF-32) are compatible with GNU but the reverse ones are not so accurate because of GNU's advanced transliteration. Some extra encodings have also been added. There are two modules, which segfault; they need some debugging. I can keep working on this project as part of my BSc thesis, so I hope to be able to solve the remaining issues. Improved GNU compatibility is also very desired (extra command line options for iconv(1), iconvctl(), private interfaces, etc.). Open tasks: 1. Fix segfaults in Big5 and HZ modules 2. Improve transliteration in reverse encodings 3. Improve GNU compatibility by implementing extra features 4. Verify POSIX compatibility 5. Verify GNU compatibility 6. Check performance __________________________________________________________________ BSD-licensed text-processing tools (Summer of Code 2008) URL: http://wiki.freebsd.org/G%C3%A1borSoC2008 Contact: Gábor Kövesdán This project was started as part of Google Summer of Code 2008 but there is still a bit of work to complete some missing parts. The BSD-licensed grep implementation is feature-complete and has a good level of GNU compatibility. Our only current concern about the BSD-licensed version is to improve its performance. The GNU variant is much more complex, has about 8 KSLOC, while BSD grep is tiny, has only 1.5 KSLOC. GNU uses some shortcuts and optimizations to speed-up calls to the regex library; that is why it is significantly faster. My point of view is that such optimizations must be implemented in the regex library, keeping the dependent utilities clean and easy to read. BSD grep is so tiny that there is hardly any optimization opportunity by simplifying the code, so the regex library is the next important TODO. There is another issue with the current regex library. It does not support some invalid regular expressions, which work in GNU. We need to maintain compatibility, so we cannot just drop this feature. Actually, BSD grep is linked to the GNU regex library to maintain this feature but due to the lack of the mentioned shortcuts, it is still slower than GNU. Anyway, if we can live with this little performance hit until we get a modern regex library, I think grep is ready to enter HEAD. As for the regex library, NetBSD's result of the last SoC is worth taking a look. The sort utility has been rewritten from scratch. The existing BSD-licensed implementation could not deal with wide characters by design. The new implementation is still lacking some features but is quite complete. There is a performance issue, though. Sorting is a typical algorithmic subject but I am not an algorithmic expert, so my implementation is not completely optimal. Some help would be welcome with this part. The bc/dc utilities have been ported from OpenBSD. They pass OpenBSD's and GNU's regression tests but they arrived too late to catch 8.X, so they will go to HEAD after the release. Open tasks: 1. Improve sort's sorting and file merging algorithms 2. Complete missing features for sort 3. Get a modern regex library for FreeBSD __________________________________________________________________ Clang replacing GCC in the base system URL: http://wiki.freebsd.org/BuildingFreeBSDWithClang Contact: Ed Schouten Contact: Roman Divacky Contact: Brooks Davis Contact: Pawel Worach The clang@FreeBSD team presents the status of clang/LLVM being able to compile FreeBSD system. The current status is: * i386 - kernel boots, world needs little hacks but works * amd64 - kernel boots, world needs little hacks but works * ppc - broken because of unknown RTLD bug * other - unknown All other platforms are untested. A lot has happened over the spring/summer: amd64 got proper mcmodel=kernel support, compiler-rt has been introduced (paving the way for libgcc replacement), we have run two experimental port builds to see how clang does there. The C++ support is able to parse devd.cc without warnings. We have got the kernel working with -O2. FreeBSD has been promoted to be an officially supported plaform in LLVM. As a result of all this work, many parts of FreeBSD that did not compile before now build without problems. Open tasks: 1. The "ClangBSD" branch of FreeBSD got a little stale and has not been updated for a while. 2. We also need to get some important fixes into LLVM to get libc compiling and some other smaller issues. 3. We can still appreciate more testers on minor platforms (mostly on ARM, PPC and MIPS, but testing on other platforms is also welcome). __________________________________________________________________ Enhancing the FreeBSD TCP Implementation URL: http://caia.swin.edu.au/freebsd/etcp09/ URL: http://caia.swin.edu.au/urp/newtcp/ URL: http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/projects.shtml URL: http://people.freebsd.org/~lstewart/patches/tcp_ffcaia2008/ Contact: Lawrence Stewart TCP appropriate byte counting (RFC 3465) support has been merged into the FreeBSD 8 branch and will ship in FreeBSD 8.0-RELEASE. The reassembly queue auto-tuning and SIFTR work was not ready in time to safely integrate for 8.0-RELEASE. Padding has been added to necessary TCP structs to facilitate MFCing features back to the 8-STABLE branch after 8.0 is released. Candidate patches against FreeBSD-CURRENT will be ready for wider testing in the coming weeks. The freebsd-net mailing list will be solicited for testing/feedback when everything is ready. Open tasks: 1. Solicit review/testing and integrate the ALQ kld and variable length message support patch into FreeBSD-CURRENT. 2. Solicit review/testing and integrate the SIFTR tool into FreeBSD-CURRENT. 3. Complete dynamic reassembly queue auto-tuning patch for FreeBSD-CURRENT. 4. Fix an identified bug in the SACK implementation's fast retransmit/fast recovery behavior. 5. Profit! __________________________________________________________________ EuroBSDcon 2009 URL: http://2009.eurobsdcon.org/ URL: http://2010.eurobsdcon.org/ Contact: Sam Smith Contact: Robert Watson EuroBSDcon 2009 happened in Cambridge, with over 160 users, developers, friends and others. Slides, papers and audio are now up on the website for those who could not make it to Cambridge. Next year's event in 2010 will take place in Karlsruhe from 8 to 10 October 2010. If you are interested in what you missed in 2009, or to join the mailing list so you do not miss out next year, visit http://2009.eurosbsdcon.org. __________________________________________________________________ Ext2fs Status report (Summer of Code 2009) URL: http://wiki.freebsd.org/SOC2009AdityaSarawgi Contact: Aditya Sarawgi FreeBSD's ext2fs had some parts under GPL. The aim of my project was to rewrite those parts and free ext2fs from GPL. I have been successful in rewriting the parts and NetBSD's ext2fs was a great help in this. Certain critical parts under GPL were also removed due to which the write performance suffered. I also implemented Orlov Block Allocator for ext2fs. Currently I am planning to make ext2fs Multiprocessor Safe (MPSAFE). My work resides in truncs_ext2fs branch of Perforce. Open tasks: 1. Ext4 support for FreeBSD 2. Directory indexing for ext2fs 3. Journaling in ext2fs using gjournal __________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD Bugbusting Team URL: http://www.FreeBSD.org/support.html#gnats URL: http://wiki.FreeBSD.org/BugBusting URL: http://people.FreeBSD.org/~linimon/studies/prs/ URL: http://people.FreeBSD.org/~linimon/studies/prs/recommended_prs.html Contact: Gavin Atkinson Contact: Mark Linimon Contact: Remko Lodder Contact: Volker Werth We continue to classify PRs as they arrive, adding 'tags' to the subject lines corresponding to the kernel subsystem involved, or man page references for userland PRs. These tags, in turn, produce lists of PRs sorted both by tag and by manpage. The list of PRs recommended for committer evaluation by the Bugbusting Team continues to receive new additions. This list contains PRs, mostly with patches, that the Bugbusting Team feel are probably ready to be committed as-is, or are probably trivially resolved in the hands of a committer with knowledge of the particular subsystem. All committers are invited to take a look at this list whenever they have a spare 5 minutes and wish to close a PR. A full list of all the automatically generated reports is also available at one of the cited URLs. Any recommendations for reports which not currently exist but which would be beneficial are welcomed. Gavin Atkinson gave a presentation on "The PR Collection Status" at the EuroBSDCon 2009 DevSummit, and discussed with other participants several other ideas to make the PR database more useful and usable. Several good ideas came from this, and will hopefully lead to more useful tools in the near future. Discussions also took place on how it may be possible to automatically classify non-ports PRs with a view towards notifying interested parties, although investigations into this have not yet begun. Mark Linimon also continues attempting to define the general problem and investigating possible new workflow models, and presented work on this at BSDCan 2009. Since the last status report, the number of open bugs has increased to around the 5900 mark, partially because of an increased focus on getting more information into the existing PRs, in an attempt to make sure all the information required is now available. As a result, although the number of open PRs has increased, they are hopefully of better quality. As always, more help is appreciated, and committers and non-committers alike are always invited to join us on #freebsd-bugbusters on EFnet and help close stale PRs or commit patches from valid PRs. Open tasks: 1. Work on suggestions from developers who were at the EuroBSDCon DevSummit. 2. Try to find ways to get more committers helping us with closing the PRs that the team has already analyzed. __________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD Developer Summit, Cambridge UK URL: http://wiki.FreeBSD.org/200909DevSummit Contact: Robert Watson Around 70 FreeBSD developers and guests attended the FreeBSD developer summit prior to EuroBSDCon 2009 in Cambridge, UK. Hosted at the University of Cambridge Computer Laboratory, the workshop-style event consisted of prepared presentations, as well as group hacking and discussion sessions. Talks covered topics including 802.11 mesh networking, virtual network stacks and kernels, a new BSD-licensed debugger, benchmarking, bugbusting, NetFPGA, a port of Apple's GCD (Grand Central Dispatch) to FreeBSD, security policy work, cryptographic signatures, FreeBSD.org system administration, time geeks, a new console driver, and the FreeBSD subversion migration. Slides for many talks are now available on the wiki page. A good time was had by all, including a punting outing on the River Cam! __________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD Gecko Project URL: https://trillian.chruetertee.ch/freebsd-gecko/wiki/TODO Contact: Beat Gaetzi Contact: Martin Wilke Contact: Andreas Tobler Andreas Tobler made the classic mistake of sending us a lot of powerpc and sparc64 related patches. The usual punishment, of giving him a commit bit to the Gecko repository, has been applied. We currently have some old ports in the ports tree: * www/mozilla is 5 year old now, no longer supported upstream, and has a lot of security vulnerabilities. We can use www/seamonkey instead. * www/xulrunner is superseeded by www/libxul. A patch that includes the following changes has been tested on pointyhat and is ready for commit: * Remove references to www/mozilla/Makefile.common and www/mozilla/bsd.gecko.mk * Switch USE_GECKO= xulrunner firefox mozilla to USE_GECKO= libxul and remove www/xulrunner We are also working on Firefox 3.6 (Alpha 2), Thunderbird 3.0 (Beta 4), new libxul 1.9.1.3 and Seamonkey 2.0 (Beta 2) ports. All of them are already committed to our Gecko repository. A current status and todo list can be found at http://trillian.chruetertee.ch/freebsd-gecko/wiki/TODO. Open tasks: 1. Remove mozilla, xulrunner and firefox2 from the ports tree. 2. The www/firefox35 port should be moved to www/firefox. 3. The old (and somewhat stale) Gecko providers mozilla, nvu, xulrunner, flock and firefox also need to be removed. __________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD KDE Team URL: http://freebsd.kde.org URL: http://miwi.bsdcrew.de/category/kde/ URL: http://blogs.freebsdish.org/tabthorpe/category/kde Contact: Thomas Abthorpe Contact: Max Brazhnikov Contact: Martin Wilke Since the spring, the FreeBSD KDE team has been busy upgrading KDE from 4.2.0 up through to 4.3.1. As part of the ongoing maintenance of KDE, the team also updated Qt4 from 4.4.3 through to 4.5.2 We added two new committers/maintainers to the team, Kris Moore (kmoore@) and Dima Panov (fluffy@). We also granted enhanced area51 access to contributors Alberto Villa and Raphael Kubo da Costa. Alberto has been our key contributor updating and testing Qt 4.6.0-tp1. Raphael is a KDE developer, who has become our Gitorious liaison, he has been responsible for getting FreeBSD Qt patches merged in upstream. Markus Brüffer (markus@) spent a lot of time patching widgets and system plugins so they would work under FreeBSD. We would like to thank him for all his effort! Open tasks: 1. Update to Qt 4.6.0 2. Update to KDE 4.4.0 3. Work with our userbase on fixing an EOL for KDE3 in the ports tree __________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD Ports Management Team URL: http://www.freebsd.org/ports/ URL: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/contributing-ports/ URL: http://portsmon.FreeBSD.org/index.html URL: http://www.freebsd.org/portmgr/index.html URL: http://tinderbox.marcuscom.com Contact: Mark Linimon The ports count has soared to over 20,700. The PR count had been driven below 800 by some extraordinary effort, but once again is back to its usual count of around 900. We are currently building packages for amd64-6, amd64-7, amd64-8, i386-6, i386-7, i386-8, sparc64-7, and sparc64-8. There have been preliminary runs of i386-9; however, to be able to continue builds on -9, we will either need to find places to host a number of new machines, or drop package building for -6. The mailing list discussion of the latter proved quite controversial. We have added some new i386 machines to help speed up the builds, but this only makes up for the disk failures on some of our older, slower, i386 nodes. We also appreciate the loan of more package build machines from several committers, including pgollucci@, gahr@, erwin@, Boris Kochergin, and Craig Butler. The portmgr@ team has also welcomed new members Ion-Mihai Tetcu (itetcu@) and Martin Wilke (miwi@). We also thank departing member Kirill Ponomarew (krion@) for his long service. Ion-Mihai has spent much time working on a system that does automatic Quality Assurance on new commits, called QAT. A second tinderbox called QATty has helped us to fix many problems, especially those involving custom PREFIX and LOCALBASE settings, and documentation inclusion options. Ports conformance to documented features / non-default configuration will follow. Between pav and miwi, over 2 dozen experimental ports runs have been completed and committed. We have added 5 new committers since the last report, and 2 older ones have rejoined. Open tasks: 1. We are currently trying to set up ports tinderboxes that can be made available to committers for pre-testing; those who can loan machines for this should contact Ion-Mihai (itetcu@) with details regarding the hardware and bandwidth. 2. Most of the remaining ports PRs are "existing port/PR assigned to committer". Although the maintainer-timeout policy is helping to keep the backlog down, we are going to need to do more to get the ports in the shape they really need to be in. 3. Although we have added many maintainers, we still have almost 4,700 unmaintained ports (see, for instance, the list on portsmon). (The percentage is down to 22%.) We are always looking for dedicated volunteers to adopt at least a few unmaintained ports. As well, the packages on amd64 and sparc64 lag behind i386, and we need more testers for those. __________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD TDM Framework Contact: Rafal Czubak Contact: Michal Hajduk This work's purpose is a generic and flexible framework for systems equipped with Time Division Multiplexing (TDM) units, often found on embedded telecom chips. The framework is designed to support various controllers and many types of TDM channels e.g. voiceband, sound and miscellaneous data channels. Currently, voiceband infrastructure is being developed on Marvell RD-88F6281 reference board. It will serve as an example of how to use the TDM framework for other channel types. The direct objective of using TDM with voiceband channels is bringing a FreeBSD based VoIP system, capable of bridging analog telephone world with digital IP telephony. Together with third party VoIP software (e.g. Asterisk), the design can serve as VoIP Private Branch Exchange (PBX). Current state highlights: * TDM controller interface * TDM channel interface * TDM channel API for kernel modules * codec interface * voiceband channel character device driver * TDM controller driver for Marvell Kirkwood and Discovery SoCs * Si3215 SLIC driver * Si3050 DAA driver Open tasks: 1. Develop demo application showing example usage of voiceband channel. 2. Integrate voiceband infrastructure with Zaptel/DAHDI telephony hardware drivers. __________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD/sparc64 Contact: Marius Strobl Noteworthy developments regarding FreeBSD/sparc64 since the last Status Reports are: * Cas(4), a driver for Sun Cassini/Cassini+, as well as National Semiconductor DP83065 Saturn Gigabit NICs has been committed and thus will be part of FreeBSD beginning with 8.0-RELEASE and 7.3-RELEASE, respectively. This means that the on-board NICs found in Fire V440, as well as the add-on cards based on these chips, are now supported, including on non-sparc64 machines. Unfortunately, the cas(4) driver triggers what seem to be secondary problems with the on-board NICs found in B100 blades and Fire V480, which due to lack of access to such systems could not be fixed so far. * Initial support for sun4u machines based on the "Fire" Host-PCI-Express bridge like Fire V215, V245, etc. has been completed (including support for the on-board ATA controller, which caused several problems at first, and MSI/MSI-X). Some code like the quirk handling for the ALi/ULi chips found in these machines needs to be revisited though and no stability tests have been conducted so far. If all goes well, the code will hit HEAD some time after FreeBSD 8.0-RELEASE has been released. In theory, machines based on the "Oberon" Host-PCI-Express bridge, at least for the most part, should also be supported with these changes, but due to lack of access to a Mx000 series machine the code could not be tested with these so far. * Some bugs in the snd_t4dwave(4) driver have been fixed, as well as some special handling for sparc64 has been added so it does 32-bit DMA and now generally works with the on-board ALi M5451 found for example in Blade 100 and Blade 1500. Unfortunately, it was only tested to work correctly in two out of three Blade 100. Why it still does not work correctly in the remaining one is currently unknown but at least no longer causes IOMMU-panics so testing snd_t4dwave(4) on sparc64 is no longer harmful. These changes will be part of FreeBSD 8.0-RELEASE and 7.3-RELEASE. * Ata-marvell(4) has been fixed to work on sparc64 (actually also on anything that is not x86 with less than 4GB of RAM). These fixes will be part of FreeBSD 8.0-RELEASE and 7.3-RELEASE. * A proper and machine-independent fix for the old problem that the loader leaves the NIC opened by the firmware, which could lead to panics during boot when netbooting, has been developed but not committed yet. Open tasks: __________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD/ZFS Contact: Pawel Dawidek We believe that the ZFS file system is now production-ready in FreeBSD 8.0. Most (if not all) reported bugs were fixed and ZFS is no longer tagged as experimental. There is also ongoing work in Perforce to bring the latest ZFS version (v19) to FreeBSD. Open tasks: 1. Download 8.0 release candidates and test, test, test and report any problems to the freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.org mailing list. __________________________________________________________________ Grand Central Dispatch - FreeBSD port URL: http://libdispatch.macosforge.org/ Contact: Robert Watson Contact: Stacey Son Contact: libdispatch mailing list We have ported libdispatch, Apple's Grand Central Dispatch event and concurrency framework to FreeBSD: * Added new kqueue primitives required to support GCD, such as EVFILT_USER and EV_TRIGGER * Created autoconf and automake build framework for libdispatch * Modified libdispatch to use POSIX semaphores instead of Mach semaphores * Adapted libdispatch to use portable POSIX time routines Jordan Hubbard has also prepared a blocks-aware clang compiler package for FreeBSD. When compiled with clang, libdispatch provides blocks-based, as well as function-based callbacks. The port was presented at the FreeBSD Developer Summit in Cambridge, UK in September, and slides are online on the devsummit wiki page. A FreeBSD port is now available in the Ports Collection. After FreeBSD 8.0-RELEASE has shipped, the new kqueue primitives will be MFC'd so that libdispatch works out of the box on FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE. Open tasks: 1. Complete porting of libdispatch test suite to FreeBSD. 2. Investigate pthread work queue implementation for FreeBSD. 3. Evaluate performance impact of some machine-dependent and OS-dependent optimizations present in the Mac OS X version of libdispatch to decide if they should be done for other platforms and OS's. 4. Explore whether FreeBSD base operating system tools would benefit from being modified to use libdispatch. __________________________________________________________________ hwpmc for MIPS URL: http://wiki.freebsd.org/FreeBSD/mips URL: http://wiki.freebsd.org/FreeBSD/mips/UBNT-RouterStationPro Contact: George Neville-Neil Currently working on board bringup. I have looked over the docs for how MIPS provides performance counters and will begin adding code soon. __________________________________________________________________ libnetstat(3) - networking statistics (Summer of Code 2009) URL: http://wiki.FreeBSD.org/PGJSoc2009 URL: http://p4web.freebsd.org/@md=d&cd=//&c=McZ@//depot/projects/soc2009/pgj _libstat/?ac=83 Contact: Gábor Páli The libnetstat(3) project provides a user-space library API to monitor networking functions with the following benefits: * ABI-robust interface making use of accessor functions in order to divorce monitoring applications from kernel or user ABI changes. * Supports running 32-bit monitoring tools on top of a 64-bit kernel. * Improved consistency for both kvm(3) and sysctl(3) when retrieving information. The supported abstractions are as follows: * Active sockets and socket buffers * Network interfaces and multicast interfaces * mbuf(9) statistics * bpf(4) statistics * Routing statistics, routing tables, multicast routing * Protocol-dependent statistics There is a sample application, called nettop(8), which provides a simple ncurses-based top(1)-like interface for monitoring active connections and network buffer allocations via the library. A modified version of netstat(1) has also been created to use libnetstat(3) as much as possible. __________________________________________________________________ libprocstat(3) - process statistics URL: http://svn.freebsd.org/viewvc/base/projects/libprocstat/ Contact: Stanislav Sedov Contact: Ulf Lilleengen The libprocstat project is an ongoing effort to develop a library that can be used to retrieve information about running processes and open files in the uniform and platform-independent way both from a running system or from core files. This will facilitate the implementation of file- or process-monitoring applications like lsof(1), fstat(1), fuser, etc. The libprocstat repository contains a preliminary version of the library. It also includes rewrites of the fstat and the fuser utilities ported to use this library instead of retrieving all the required information via the kvm(3) interface; one of the important advantages of the versions that use libprocstat is that these utilities are ABI independent. Open tasks: 1. Implement KVM-based namecache lookup to retrieve filesystem paths associated with file descriptors and VM objects. 2. Analyze possible ways of exporting file and process information from the kernel in an extensible and ABI-independent way. __________________________________________________________________ Modular Congestion Control URL: http://caia.swin.edu.au/urp/newtcp/ URL: http://svn.freebsd.org/viewvc/base/projects/tcp_cc_8.x/ Contact: Lawrence Stewart The patch has received some significant rototilling in the past few months to prepare it for merging to FreeBSD-CURRENT. Additionally, I completed an implementation of the CUBIC congestion control algorithm to complement the existing NewReno and H-TCP algorithm implementations already available. I have one further intrusive change to make, which will allow congestion control modules to be shared between the TCP and SCTP stacks. Once this is complete, I will be soliciting for review/testing in the hope of committing the patch to FreeBSD-CURRENT in time to be able to backport it for 8.1-RELEASE. Open tasks: 1. Abstract the congestion control specific variables out of the TCP and SCTP control blocks into a new struct that can be passed into the API instead of the control block itself. __________________________________________________________________ Network Stack Virtualization URL: http://wiki.freebsd.org/Image URL: http://wiki.freebsd.org/200909DevSummit Contact: Bjoern A. Zeeb Contact: Marko Zec Contact: Robert Watson The network stack virtualization project aims at extending the FreeBSD kernel to maintain multiple independent instances of networking state. This allows for networking independence between jail environment, each maintaining its private network interfaces, IPv4 and IPv6 network and port address space, routing tables, IPSec configuration, firewalls, and more. During the last months the remaining pieces of the VIMAGE work were merged by Marko, Julian and Bjoern. Robert Watson developed a vnet allocator to overcome ABI issues. Jamie Gritton merged his hierachical jail framework that now also is the management interface for virtual network stacks. During the FreeBSD Developer Summit that took place at EuroBSDCon 2009 in Cambridge, UK, people virtualized more code. As a result SCTP and another accept filter were virtualized and more people became familiar with the design of VImage and the underlying concepts. Finally getting more hands involved was a crucial first step for the long term success of kernel virtualization. The next steps will be to finish the network stack virtualization, generalize the allocator framework before thinking of virtualizing further subsystems and to update the related documentation. Along with that a proper jail management framework will be worked on. Long term goals, amongst others, will be to virtualize more subsystems like SYS-V IPC, better privilege handling, and resource limits. In the upcoming FreeBSD 8.0 Release, vnets are treated as an experimental feature. As a result, they are not yet recommended for use in production environments. There was lots of time spent to finalize the infrastructure for vnets though, so that further changes can be merged and we are aiming to have things production ready for 8.2. In case you want to help to achieve this goal, feel free to contact us and support or help virtualizing outstanding parts like two firewalls, appletalk, netipx, ... as well as generating regression tests. __________________________________________________________________ New approach to the locale database URL: http://wiki.freebsd.org/LocaleNewApproach URL: svn://svn.freebsd.org/base/user/edwin/locale Contact: Edwin Groothuis Contact: i18n mailinglist Problem: Over the years the FreeBSD locale database (share/colldef, share/monetdef, share/msgdef, share/numericdef, share/timedef) has accumulated a total of 165 definitions (language - country-code - character-set triplets). The contents of the files for Western European languages are often low-ASCII but for Eastern European and Asian languages partly or fully high-ASCII. Without knowing how to display or interpret the character-sets, it is difficult to make sure by the general audience that the local language (language - country-code) definitions are displayed properly in various character-sets. Suggested approach: With the combination of the data in the Unicode project (whose goal is to define all the possible written characters and symbols on this planet) and the Common Locale Data Repository (whose goal is to document all the different data and definitions needed for the locale database), we can easily keep track of the data, without the need of being able to display the data in the required character sets or understand them fully when updates are submitted by third parties. Current status: Conversion of share/monetdef, share/msgdef, share/numericdef, share/timedef to the new design is completed. The Makefile infrastructure is converted. Regression checks are done. Most of the tools are in place, waiting on the import of bsdiconv to the base system. Open tasks: 1. At this moment the system is not self-hosted yet, because of the lack of an iconv-kind of program in the base operating system. Gabor@ is working on bsdiconv as a GSoC project and once that has been imported we will be able to perform a clean install from the definitions in Unicode text format to the required formats and character sets. __________________________________________________________________ New BSD licensed debugger URL: http://wiki.freebsd.org/TheBsdDebugger URL: http://people.freebsd.org/~dfr/ngdb.git URL: http://wiki.freebsd.org/200909DevSummit?action=AttachFile&do=view&targe t=NGDB-200909.pdf Contact: Doug Rabson <> I have been working recently on writing a new debugger, primarily for the FreeBSD platform. For various reasons, I have been writing it in a relatively obscure C-like language called D. So far, I have a pretty useful (if a little raw at the edges) command line debugger which supports ELF, Dwarf debugging information and (currently) 32 bit FreeBSD and Linux. The engine includes parsing and evaluation of arbitrary C expressions along with the usual debugging tools such as breakpoints, source code listing, single-step etc. All the code is new and BSD licensed. Currently, the thing supports userland debugging of i386 targets via ptrace and post-mortem core file debugging of the same. I will be adding amd64 support real soon (TM) and maybe support for GDB's remote debugging protocol later. __________________________________________________________________ NFSv4 ACLs URL: http://wiki.freebsd.org/NFSv4_ACLs Contact: Edward Tomasz Napierala During Google Summer of Code 2008, I have implemented native support for NFSv4 ACLs for both ZFS and UFS. Most of the code has already been merged to CURRENT. NFSv4 ACLs are unconditionally enabled in ZFS and the usual tools, like getfacl(1) and setfacl(1) can be used to view and change them. I plan to merge the remaining bits (UFS support) this month. It should be possible to MFC it in order to ship in FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE. Open tasks: 1. UFS changes review 2. Support for NFSv4 ACLs in tar(1) __________________________________________________________________ pefs - stacked cryptographic filesystem (Summer of Code 2009) URL: http://blogs.freebsdish.org/gleb/ URL: http://wiki.freebsd.org/SOC2009GlebKurtsov Contact: Gleb Kurtsou Contact: Stanislav Sedov Pefs is a kernel level filesystem for transparently encrypting files on top of other filesystems (like zfs or ufs). It adds no extra information into files (unlike others), doesn't require cipher block sized io operations, supports per directory/file keys and key chaining, uses unique per file tweak for encryption. Supported algorithms: AES, Camellia, Salsa20. The code is ready for testing. Open tasks: 1. Implement encrypted name lookup/readir cache 2. Optimize sparse files handling and file resizing __________________________________________________________________ Portmaster - utility to assist users with managing ports URL: http://dougbarton.us/portmaster.html Contact: Doug Barton I am currently seeking funding for further development work on portmaster. There are several features that are regularly requested by the community (such as support for installing packages) that I would very much like to implement but that will take more time than I can reasonably volunteer to implement correctly. There is information about the funding proposal available at the link above. Meanwhile I have recently completed another round of bug fixes and feature enhancements. The often-requested ability to specify the -x (exclude) option more than once on the command line was added in version 2.12. Also in that version I added the --list-origins option to make it easier to reinstall ports after a major version upgrade, or install the same set of ports on another system. Open tasks: 1. See the funding proposal. __________________________________________________________________ Release Engineering Status Report URL: http://www.FreeBSD.org/releng/ Contact: Release Engineering Team The Release Engineering Team continues to work on FreeBSD 8.0-RELEASE. Public testing has turned up quite a few problems, many related to the low-level network (routing/ARP table) changes and their interactions with IPv6. Progress continues to be made on fixing up the issues that have been identified during the public testing. At this point in time we are shooting for two more public test builds (RC2 and RC3) followed by the release late October or early November. __________________________________________________________________ Stream Control Transmission Protocol (SCTP) Contact: Randall Stewart SCTP continues to have minor fixes added to it as well as some new features. First and foremost, we now have VIMAGE and SCTP working and playing together. This goal was accomplished with the help of bz@, my new mentee tuexen@ and myself working together at the FreeBSD DevSummit in Cambridge, UK. Also the non-renegable SACK feature contributed by the university of Delaware was fixed so that now its safe to turn on (its sysctl). If you are using SCTP with CMT (Conncurrent Multipath Transfer) you will want to enable this option (CMT is also a sysctl). With CMT enabled you will be able to send data to all the destinations of an SCTP peer. We welcomed a new mentee (soon to be a commiter) to FreeBSD. Michael Tuexen is now a mentee of rrs@. Michael has been contributing to the SCTP work for quite some time and also moonlights as a Professor at the University of Muenster in Germany (when not doing SCTP coding). __________________________________________________________________ The FreeBSD Dutch Documentation Project URL: http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/translations.html#dutch Contact: René Ladan Contact: Remko Lodder The current translations (Handbook and some articles) are kept up to date with the English versions. Some parts of the website have been translated, more work is in progress. Open tasks: 1. Find more volunteers for translating the remaining parts of the website and the FAQ. __________________________________________________________________ The FreeBSD Forums URL: http://forums.freebsd.org/ Contact: FreeBSD Forums Admins Contact: FreeBSD Forums Moderators Since their public launch in November 2008, the FreeBSD Forums (the most recent addition to the user community and support channels for the FreeBSD Operating System) have witnessed a healthy and steady growth. The user population is now at over 8,000 registered users, who have participated in over 6,000 topics, containing over 40,000 posts in total. The sign-up rate hovers between 50-100 each week. The total number of visitors (including 'guests') is hard to gauge but is likely to be a substantial multiple of the registered userbase. New topics and posts are actively 'pushed out' to search engines. This in turn makes the Forums show up in search results more and more often, making it a valuable and very accessible source of information for the FreeBSD community. One of the contributing factors to the Forums' success is their 'BSD-style' approach when it comes to administration and moderation. The Forums have a strong and unified identity, they are neatly divided into sub-forums (like 'Networking', 'Installing & Upgrading', etc.), very actively moderated, spam-free, and with a core group of very active and helpful members, dispensing many combined decades' worth of knowledge to starting, intermediate and professional users of FreeBSD. We expect the Forums to be, and to remain, a central hub in FreeBSD's community and support efforts. __________________________________________________________________ The FreeBSD Foundation Status Report URL: http://www.freebsdfoundation.org Contact: Deb Goodkin Kicking off our fall fund-raising campaign! Find out more at http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/. We were a sponsor for EuroBSDCon 2009, and provided travel grants to 8 FreeBSD developers and users. We sponsored Kyiv BSD 2009, in Kiev Ukraine. We were also a sponsor of BSDCan, and sponsored 7 developers. We funded three new projects, New Console Driver by Ed Schouten, AVR32 Support by Arnar Mar Sig, and Wireless Mesh Support by Rui Paulo, which has completed. We continued funding a project that is making improvements to the FreeBSD TCP Stack by Lawrence Stewart. The project that made removing disk devices with mounted filesystems on them safe, by Edward Napierala, is now complete. We recognized the following FreeBSD developers at EuroBSDCon 2009: Poul-Henning Kamp, Bjoern Zeeb, and Simon Nielsen. These developers received limited edition FreeBSD Foundation vests. Follow us on Twitter now! __________________________________________________________________ The FreeBSD German Documentation Project URL: https://doc.bsdgroup.de URL: http://code.google.com/p/bsdcg-trans/wiki/BSDPJTAdede Contact: Johann Kois Contact: Benedict Reuschling Contact: Martin Wilke In May 2009, Benedict Reuschling received his commit bit to the www/de and doc/de_DE.ISO8859-1 trees under the mentorship of Johann Kois. Since then, he has been working primarily on the Handbook, updating existing chapters and translating new ones. Most notably, the filesystems and DTrace chapters have been recently translated. Bugs found in the original documents along the way were reported back so that the other translation teams could incorporate them, as well. Christoph Sold has put his time in translating the wiki pages of the BSD Certification Group into the German language. This is very helpful for all German people who want to take the exam and like to read the information about it in their native language. Daniel Seuffert has sent valuable corrections and bugfixes. Thanks to both of them for their time and efforts! The website is translated and updated constantly. Missing parts will be translated as time permits. We appreciate any help from volunteers in proofreading documents, translating new ones and keeping them up to date. Even small error reports are of great help for us. You can find contact information at the above URL. Open tasks: 1. Update the existing documentation set (especially the Handbook). 2. Translate more articles to German. 3. Read the translations. Check for problems and mistakes. Send feedback. __________________________________________________________________ The FreeBSD Hungarian Documentation Project URL: http://www.FreeBSD.org/hu URL: http://www.FreeBSD.org/doc/hu URL: http://wiki.FreeBSD.org/HungarianDocumentationProject URL: http://p4web.freebsd.org/@md=d&cd=//depot/projects/docproj_hu/&c=aXw@// depot/projects/docproj_hu/?ac=83 Contact: Gábor Kövesdán Contact: Gábor Páli In the last months, we have not added new translations, although we have been working on the existing ones to have them updated. We need more translators and volunteers to keep the amount of the translated documentation growing, so feel free to contribute. Every line of submission or feedback is appreciated and highly welcome. If you want to join our work, please read the introduction to the project as well as the FDP Primer (both of them are available in Hungarian). Open tasks: 1. Translate news entries, press releases 2. Translate Release Notes for -CURRENT and 8.X 3. Translate articles 4. Translate web pages 5. Read the translations, send feedback __________________________________________________________________ The FreeBSD Spanish Documentation Project URL: http://www.FreeBSD.org/es URL: http://www.FreeBSD.org/doc/es URL: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/es/articles/fdp-es/ Contact: José Vicente Carrasco Vayá Contact: Gábor Kövesdán Recently, we have added one new article translation. The existing translations have not been updated, though. We need more human resources to keep up with the work and keep the translations up-to-date. Open tasks: 1. Update the Handbook translation 2. Update the web page translation __________________________________________________________________ The Newcons project URL: http://wiki.FreeBSD.org/Newcons URL: http://people.freebsd.org/~ed/newcons/patches/ Contact: Ed Schouten Some time ago I started writing a new driver for the FreeBSD kernel called vt(4), which is basically a replacement of syscons. There is still a lot of work that needs to be done but it is probably useful to mention what it does (and what does not). Right now there are just two graphics drivers for vt(4), namely a VGA driver for i386 and amd64 and a Microsoft Xbox graphics driver (because it was so easy to implement). I still have to figure out what I am going to do with VESA, because maybe it is better to just ignore VESA and figure out how hard it is to extend DRM to interact with vt(4). Some random features: it already supports both Unicode (UTF-8) input and output, it is MPSAFE and supports per-window graphical fonts of variable dimensions, containing an almost infinite amount of glyphs (both bold and regular). Open tasks: 1. Research needs to be done on DRM's codebase. 2. Syscons should already be migrated to TERM=xterm to make switching between drivers a bit easier. __________________________________________________________________ Valgrind suite on FreeBSD URL: http://wiki.freebsd.org/Valgrind Contact: Stanislav Sedov The Valgrind suite in the FreeBSD ports collection has been updated to version 3.5.0 (the latest available version). Most of the issues of the previous version should be resolved now: we expect memcheck, callgrind and cachegrind to be fully functional on both i386 and amd64 platforms as well as for i386 binaries running on amd64 system. DRD/hellgrind should work too, though they generate a lot of false-positives for now, so their output is a bit messy. Open tasks: 1. Port exp-ptrcheck valgrind tool and fix outstanding issues that show up in memcheck/helgrind/DRD in the Valgrind regression tests suite. 2. More testing (please, help). 3. Integrate our patches upstream. __________________________________________________________________ VirtualBox on FreeBSD URL: http://wiki.freebsd.org/VirtualBox Contact: Beat Gaetzi Contact: Bernhard Froehlich Contact: Dennis Herrmann Contact: Juergen Lock Contact: Martin Wilke VirtualBox has been committed to the Ports tree and synchronized with the latest trunk version from Sun. Several known problems are already fixed and some new features have been added: * VT-x support * Bridging support (Big Thanks to Fredrik Lindberg) * Host Serial Support * ACPI Support * Host DVD/CD access * SMP Support We would like to say thanks to all the people who helped us by reporting bugs and submitting fixes. We also thank the VirtualBox developers for their help with the ongoing effort to port VirtualBox on FreeBSD. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 11 18:14:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 134D21065670 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18:14:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f222.google.com (mail-fx0-f222.google.com [209.85.220.222]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 882968FC17 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18:14:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm22 with SMTP id 22so7684877fxm.36 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 11:13:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=9+i0NlcyGEabFM/y2M1F5TrbiKQ47b3If6yVWbHxyAw=; b=pRuRpDWICqUr4LTPvwyDxIzwh/QAwV1dayhux89WrSRoVxBc0V5R5rVFr45oxXCk17 PcH5G7y9Tj7zThpo7MCisodZhPHWpp0+KpztzU1s2Z0rhdFmpIQsyE3pRBXagZo1HEs9 ISu1Z0VMuHjERs0UK2MiOc5WoGmjpKvIkiCT0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=rKvxj4hOr69sqKWpizakPROzimq2MezhO+gMaHTHVpu+9Ou2XgXgZsuQJAsozeWggE JMLAApzYW4ecqmoDWUlG78o7xpglI1VQA8HVU4jBHez4JRZGyABfqarFsS7MH6fr72+S 7Y2VwWS335j2R2HYRrHtcYGgssoeXURi0Lcwg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.130.159 with SMTP id 31mr307391hbj.60.1255284839276; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 11:13:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20091010063820.2e3a69b6@scorpio.seibercom.net> References: <4ACFDD57.6000401@izb.knu.ac.kr> <20091010063820.2e3a69b6@scorpio.seibercom.net> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19:13:59 +0100 Message-ID: From: krad To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: best FBSD version for commercial use. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18:14:01 -0000 2009/10/10 Jerry > On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 06:06:39 -0400 > jhell wrote: > > [snip] > > > I will agree with that. And raise that its not a good idea to be part > > of the early adopter club for commercial use. > > Somebody has got to go first. As so aptly stated by Robert Crandell, > chairman of American Airlines in the late 1990's, "If you're not the > lead dog, the view never changes." > > -- > Jerry > gesbbb@yahoo.com > > Let others praise ancient times; I am glad I was born in these. > > Ovid (43 B.C. - A.D. 18) > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > hmm most of us in here aren't business men though. We are sysadmins, and therefore the only thing we'd be risking is our job. Most people most of the time don't need cutting edge features no matter how cool they are. Its all about risk management. By that I don't mean eliminating risk and stagnating, I mean taking appropriate risk for the application. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 11 18:31:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7558A1065693 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18:31:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (ns1.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36F148FC12 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18:31:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9BITrKe015998 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 11:29:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 11:31:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 11:31:48 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20091011183146.GA1258@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 23 years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: Subject: music file in /tmp/XXX/ X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18:31:53 -0000 guys, is there a freebsd app that will take my music file, 18 of them in /tmp/XXX, all named ogg files, and burn them to a CD? i've got like /tmp/XXX/one.ogg /tmp/XXX/two.ogg . . . /tmp/XXX/eighteen.ogg all are names so i figure they have the internet-title/siong-named database tags. not sure. i cant figure out howto use k3b to copy these files; i've tried. is there anything simpler that will burn files from /tmp/XXX/ to an audio CD? I surrender..... (*****) gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 7.31a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 11 20:50:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE81F1065672 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 20:50:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kenneth.hatteland@kleppnett.no) Received: from asav3.lyse.net (asav3.lyse.net [81.167.37.131]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFA468FC1F for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 20:50:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asav3.lyse.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3915C841F1 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 22:50:22 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at lyse.net Received: from terra.hatteland1.org (129.81-166-80.customer.lyse.net [81.166.80.129]) by asav3.lyse.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0E3D841E2 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 22:49:50 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4AD244EE.9090505@kleppnett.no> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 20:49:50 +0000 From: kenneth hatteland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20091009) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: using own ntp server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 20:50:24 -0000 If I have understand ntp right it is possible to hook up my machines to the machine running the ntp server. nevertheless I am not able to find anywhere helping me with configuring these machines to connect to my server and I am still not bright enough to figure out the syntax myself. Does anyone know about a web page or anything that my Googling have missed ? Or perhaps I have gailed to grasp nto correct, and all machines must be configured like the handbook says to connect to external machines ? Blessed Be kenneth, Norway From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 11 20:51:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFA6E106568D for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 20:51:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz (southernuniform.com [66.76.92.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 679AE8FC18 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 20:51:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9BKnvtM020427; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:50:12 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at daleco.biz Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ezekiel.daleco.biz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 63o9JVQtuzfn; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:48:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from archangel.daleco.biz (ezekiel.daleco.biz [66.76.92.18]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9BKCDN7019918; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:12:34 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Message-ID: <4AD23C1C.8040300@daleco.biz> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:12:12 -0500 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090929) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alexander Best , Randi Harper , FreeBSD Questions References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: sysinstall colours X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 20:51:01 -0000 Alexander Best wrote: >> Seriously?!?!?! All the problems with sysinstall, and your idea is to >> change >> the color? Are you trying to start a bikeshed? If so, I prefer pink. > >> -- randi I'm painting the little girl's room next week and might have some leftover interior latex, if that will do. Oh, but, it's outside, so prolly not. Sorry. Or, do you want your pink bikeshed in the garage? ;-) > current developers don't seem to have any interest in improving sysinstall. so > it's important to get new people involved in freebsd. and the way to do that > is with an attractive looking installer and an easy installation process imo. I don't want to be harsh, but do you know what you're talking about? Randi, for one, has taken on the zombie known as sysinstall with a nice big shotgun, and is attempting to keep adding a few features here/there as needed to keep up with necessities while other developers (AFAIK) work on other projects, including, at last count, a couple differnet possibilities for installers. It's apparently been rather daunting work, and, as a result, the new installer, whatever its name is/will be, isn't ready for inclusion with 8.0. However, a day is coming ... Kevin Kinsey From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 11 21:08:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 917DA1065670 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 21:08:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@radel.com) Received: from wave.radel.com (wave.radel.com [216.143.151.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44CC08FC13 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 21:08:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wave.radel.com (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.1.6) with PIPE id 9063125; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:08:40 -0400 Received: from [192.168.43.221] (account jon@radel.com HELO braeburn.local) by wave.radel.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.6) with ESMTP-TLS id 9063123; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:08:34 -0400 Message-ID: <4AD249A7.7070505@radel.com> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:09:59 -0400 From: Jon Radel User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Macintosh/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kenneth hatteland References: <4AD244EE.9090505@kleppnett.no> In-Reply-To: <4AD244EE.9090505@kleppnett.no> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms050602070708090604010400" X-Radel.com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact Jon for more information X-Radel.com-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: using own ntp server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 21:08:42 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms050602070708090604010400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit kenneth hatteland wrote: > > If I have understand ntp right it is possible to hook up my machines to > the machine running the ntp server. nevertheless I am not able to find > anywhere helping me with configuring these machines to connect to my > server and I am still not bright enough to figure out the syntax myself. > Does anyone know about a web page or anything that my Googling have > missed ? Or perhaps I have gailed to grasp nto correct, and all > machines must be configured like the handbook says to connect to > external machines ? Leaving aside two areas which could cover a multitude of complications should you pursue them, namely 1) You start setting various security settings and make your ntp server effectively unreachable, or 2) the ability of your local server to multicast time data, your local ntp server should look like any other ntp server to which you have access (other than for less latency and jitter should your network be "normal"). Put server IP_OR_FQDN_OF_LOCAL_NTP_SERVER_HERE in the ntp.conf of your client machines and see what happens. The "peers" query from the ntpq program should let you know if you have success or have somehow locked yourself out / blocked access. Feel free to give us specifics of what you're doing if this doesn't work. BTW, the above assumes that you mean setting up your various local machines to all use ntpd, but not all query outside machines. If this isn't it, you're going to have to tell us what you mean by "hook up my machines to the machine running the ntp server." -- --Jon Radel jon@radel.com --------------ms050602070708090604010400 Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIJMTCC AvMwggJcoAMCAQICEB1eDeVYxhAO39zOEnHiAbwwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwYjELMAkGA1UE BhMCWkExJTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMT I1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBMB4XDTA5MDIyNTA0MTMyNloX DTEwMDIyNTA0MTMyNlowXjEOMAwGA1UEBBMFUmFkZWwxEzARBgNVBCoTCkpvbiBUaG9tYXMx GTAXBgNVBAMTEEpvbiBUaG9tYXMgUmFkZWwxHDAaBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWDWpvbkByYWRlbC5j b20wggEiMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4IBDwAwggEKAoIBAQDeT7qtj+euqWr2wXM7OnwrXJe9 Jlc0CGaM69AcTWOFakRY7MUXrqcmF5WjrqrMoagfGjS362eb6787x313ZdLoGuQPh/o2Mqp4 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+0300 Message-ID: <9e20d71e0910111452s13e721b5oeb9fb0c8f6045601@mail.gmail.com> From: Artis Caune To: kenneth hatteland Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: using own ntp server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 21:52:33 -0000 2009/10/11 kenneth hatteland : > If I have understand ntp right it is possible to hook up my machines to t= he > machine running the ntp server. nevertheless I am not able to find anywhe= re > helping me with configuring these machines to connect to my server and I = am > still not bright enough to figure out the syntax myself. Does anyone know > about a web page or anything that my Googling have missed ? Or perhaps = =C2=A0I > have gailed to grasp nto correct, and all machines must be configured lik= e > the handbook says to connect to external machines ? Take a look at OpenNTPD from OpenBSD. There are only two, three configuration options. :) For server: listen on * servers pool.ntp.org For clients: server 10.0.0.1 --=20 Artis Caune Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 11 21:53:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67B0010656A5 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 21:53:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BCAE8FC16 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 21:53:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-71-245.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.71.245]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D6D6252C9; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 23:53:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n9BLrnl0005980; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 23:53:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 23:53:49 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Gary Kline Message-Id: <20091011235349.3ec6d83a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20091011183146.GA1258@thought.org> References: <20091011183146.GA1258@thought.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Multipart=_Sun__11_Oct_2009_23_53_49_+0200_tmMnSzMVsuJFm7Q_" Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: music file in /tmp/XXX/ X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 21:53:53 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Multipart=_Sun__11_Oct_2009_23_53_49_+0200_tmMnSzMVsuJFm7Q_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 11:31:48 -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > is there a freebsd app that will take my music file, 18 of them in /tmp/XXX, > all named ogg files, and burn them to a CD? > [...] > all are names so i figure they have the internet-title/siong-named > database tags. not sure. i cant figure out howto use k3b to copy these > files; i've tried. is there anything simpler that will burn files from > /tmp/XXX/ to an audio CD? I surrender..... (*****) Yes there is. So much for the "user-friendlyness" of GUI apps. :-) I'll attach a simple shell script that has served me well over the years. I do admit that it seems to be overcomplicated because of multiple conversions. I've placed the file in my ~/bin and gave it +x permissions. Use it in the directory you are currently located at. It requires the presence of the following programs: ogg123, madplay, sox, as well as burncd, cdrecord or cdrdao for the burning (and atapicam for the last two). 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> > e.g > if I "cat" file which do not exist, error is on screen, > I want to add that error to some file (errors.txt) See "man sh" (or "man bash" if you use it): The redirection could be this: $ cat nonexist.txt > error.txt 2>&1 The C shell has a different syntax: % cat nonexist.txt >& error.txt I hope that's what you have requested. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 11 22:46:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E460106566B for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 22:46:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@optimis.net) Received: from mail.optimis.net (mail.optimis.net [69.104.191.124]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E75088FC15 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 22:46:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from marvin.optimis.net (marvin.optimis.net [192.168.1.3]) by mail.optimis.net (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9BMkG2V054393 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:46:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@optimis.net) Received: from marvin.optimis.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by marvin.optimis.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9BMkGML076570 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:46:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@optimis.net) Received: (from george@localhost) by marvin.optimis.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n9BMkGck076569 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:46:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@optimis.net) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:46:16 -0700 From: George Davidovich To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20091011224616.GA75228@marvin.optimis.net> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Subject: Re: error output redirection X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 22:46:17 -0000 On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 11:36:52PM +0200, Stefan Miklosovic wrote: > if error output of some program appear on screen, it is possible to > print it also to some file simultaneously? Depends on the program, but generally, yes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_streams http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redirection_(computing) > e.g if I "cat" file which do not exist, error is on screen, I want to > add that error to some file (errors.txt) Replacing 'cat file_that_does_not_exist' with 'badcommand' # redirect STDERR to a file badcommand 2> errors.txt # append STDERR to a file badcommand 2>> errors.txt # fun with file descriptors to have it both ways badcommand 3>&1 1>&2 2>&3 | tee errors.txt -- George From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 11 23:02:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA72C1065697 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 23:02:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danger@FreeBSD.org) Received: from services.rulez.sk (services.rulez.sk [92.240.234.125]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C3568FC0A for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 23:02:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (services.rulez.sk [92.240.234.125]) by services.rulez.sk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96A1113345E2; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 01:02:31 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at rulez.sk Received: from services.rulez.sk ([92.240.234.125]) by localhost (services.rulez.sk [92.240.234.125]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FCssTYtRLyiR; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 01:02:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.50.0.2] (danger.mcrn.sk [84.16.37.254]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: danger@rulez.sk) by services.rulez.sk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9DCEB13345DC; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 01:02:30 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4AD26400.2060502@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 01:02:24 +0200 From: Daniel Gerzo Organization: The FreeBSD Project User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nerius Landys References: <4ACFDD57.6000401@izb.knu.ac.kr> <560f92640910091944k66f8c595rcbdb296e0dbfc078@mail.gmail.com> <20091010194000.GA17212@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <560f92640910101323v36aa49aat5b88f6542bd8e169@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <560f92640910101323v36aa49aat5b88f6542bd8e169@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Jerry McAllister , ?????? , FreeBSD Questions , Marwan Sultan Subject: Re: best FBSD version for commercial use. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 23:02:33 -0000 Nerius Landys wrote: >>> My 2 cents, as far as I know 7.1 will be maintained longer than 7.2 >>> according to the freebsd.org website. That is, security fixes will be >>> rolled out for 7.1 a while after 7.2 reaches End Of Life. That made >>> me decide to go with 7.1 when I had to make the switch from 7.0 a few >>> months ago. 8.0 was not out at that time. >> >> I don't think that is correct. There must be something unclear there. > > http://security.freebsd.org/ > > Near the bottom of the page mentioned above, there is a table. > RELENG_7_1 EoL is January 31, 2011, RELENG_7_2 EoL is May 31, 2010 > according to the chart. That is a difference of 8 months. All of these seems to be correct, but it needs a little note. The last version from the X-STABLE branch gets the Extended lifetime support. 7.2 is definitely not the latest release from the stable/7 branch, and that is the reason why it has shorter support life time. There, however, will be at least 7.3 which will potentially get longer support. And upgrading to 7.3 from 7.2 will surely not be a big deal. If you read the mentioned web page more carefully, you will see the following paragraph: Extended Selected releases (normally every second release plus the last release from each -STABLE branch) will be supported by the Security Officer for a minimum of 24 months after the release, and for sufficient additional time (if needed) to ensure that there is a newer Extended release for at least 3 months before the older Extended release expires. -- S pozdravom / Best regards Daniel Gerzo, FreeBSD committer From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 12 00:11:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 338E51065676 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 00:11:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@nabble.com) Received: from kuber.nabble.com (kuber.nabble.com [216.139.236.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 083108FC19 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 00:11:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from isper.nabble.com ([192.168.236.156]) by kuber.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Mx8VN-0007EA-1i for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:11:13 -0700 Message-ID: <25849056.post@talk.nabble.com> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:11:13 -0700 (PDT) From: jaymax To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Nabble-From: jaymax36@gmail.com Subject: Disk label inconsistencies X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 00:11:14 -0000 I have a rather bizarre problem. I have been trying to upgrade forever w/ endless problems, but may have found the cause of some of the problems. Running O/S 6.0. My system disk is displayed in df etc as /dev/ad0 with slice & partitions as ad0s1a, ad0s1b, ad0s1e, .. , etc. It is similarly displayed under /dev. However, when I get to the disk label editor it shows up as ad0a, and slice & partitions as ad0as1a, ad0as1b, ad0as1e, .. , etc. I've tried changing these, even with the Fdisk editor but they seem to persist, perhaps when I restore the dump files. NOTE: ad0a or add0asx ... etc does not show up under /dev . Needless to say the following are standard messages from the upgrade attempts Error mounting /mnt/dev/ad0as1e on /mnt/tmp : Input/output error Error mounting /mnt/dev/ad0as1f on /mnt/usr : Input/output error Is there any solution to this short of reformatting the whole disk as new disk from scratch. Thanks! "Disk label inconsistencies" -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Disk-label-inconsistencies-tp25849056p25849056.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 12 06:28:49 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADF2F106568D for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 06:28:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from que_deseja@hotmail.com) Received: from blu0-omc4-s25.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc4-s25.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78E268FC12 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 06:28:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BLU126-W14 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s25.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 11 Oct 2009 23:16:48 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [98.192.212.177] From: Desmond da Peoples To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 06:16:48 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Oct 2009 06:16:48.0061 (UTC) FILETIME=[946C96D0:01CA4B03] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: mount problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 06:28:49 -0000 How's it going? I'm having probelms mounting media within the gnome environment. The drive will grab the media but not read it nor unmount it. I've edited policykit so that root:operator and perm 0660 are enabled. Fstab has /dev/acd0 has been commented out. Rc.conf has hal=2Cdbus=2C and gnome enabled. Kdm login manager if that helps any. =0A= _________________________________________________________________=0A= Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft.=0A= http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 12 07:48:11 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CB56106568F for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:48:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nlandys@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f195.google.com (mail-qy0-f195.google.com [209.85.221.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C57938FC0C for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:48:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk33 with SMTP id 33so8444666qyk.29 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 00:48:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=xI7aBFiBd1HPdKOdDcrlGNgZgYlAWFUnp8ePg40I2YM=; b=KGhCkzShNwF1stPdjK96zugev4qpyVv+U+iAIQmgJJtI026KQyrLn1I8IXKH+2MnL4 xXGG2KWH0qbIdh0a1OzfZCSQvR/CsLDdXQcaCe2KE+P9RsM1oE/J9XyajwE0RbsrT9fd 1XONKTZ/+fxVr+fHni78Vq26Nf+svKJ2R6ilo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=tyEMWoRZXmaHgG6/vLZY5KpttdkHLuoJOv8lMyr6RO1YTpvFWGD0mZrUuaAkTA1LrH +dZwZpfKJ1oxEawwScHMbTsJwqI5a2vxYqeLeGJeJ2I5cUnlacFziNZpmBeGpZAcTB57 8cr8r77W/ck7yMquxaVJwfXYChKqlafoyxNgI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.111.85 with SMTP id r21mr2235763qcp.88.1255333690049; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 00:48:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4AD26400.2060502@FreeBSD.org> References: <4ACFDD57.6000401@izb.knu.ac.kr> <560f92640910091944k66f8c595rcbdb296e0dbfc078@mail.gmail.com> <20091010194000.GA17212@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <560f92640910101323v36aa49aat5b88f6542bd8e169@mail.gmail.com> <4AD26400.2060502@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 00:48:09 -0700 Message-ID: <560f92640910120048t76bd723cx2843adc4156f4a99@mail.gmail.com> From: Nerius Landys To: Daniel Gerzo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Jerry McAllister , ?????? , FreeBSD Questions , Marwan Sultan Subject: Re: best FBSD version for commercial use. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:48:11 -0000 > Selected releases (normally every second release plus the last release from > each -STABLE branch) will be supported by the Security Officer for a minimum > of 24 months after the release, and for sufficient additional time (if > needed) to ensure that there is a newer Extended release for at least 3 > months before the older Extended release expires. OK for some reason I made the perhaps incorrect assumption that 7.2 was the last release in the 7.x line. I don't know where I got that from, but I do seem to recall seeing that somewhere. Could be wrong. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 12 07:53:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69D461065693 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:53:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nlandys@gmail.com) Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2465B8FC15 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:53:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 5so380427qwd.7 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 00:53:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=jzVVdERsZvWqhPDcSffSPwaFeo8crcj80tWOf9Klayo=; b=SEJyt6v1NAf+6qer2gB+GeH3+aiYbFbkFtsKhSO/b/M1x9akY83kK0nGFREub4VgTa vnVvIgCnaXYn9wxSOY65Zw76UnOMV3XIIy5GsIigmI/9ryLmz8isHf5yvFQbwNLXN8nK 36fD/7xvngYLVDQrPDL0vXrqNdvAinzmggcyo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=x1Yc4fxiCcHPVDc1B6AUoMO8CWnys0D1T++2I66BOMZV4oVth4qfO799qTX1IX+Juo /hKxeheRn4ldmEsg2gQSEKhI5p8QWHwjZosr+6M9z1RXKfuYtA004tX4kD8UHzcu9n8e bDnyXxjjVi+pjGWMbhtn3xALZziQH9az0cgAI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.37.130 with SMTP id x2mr2298570qcd.15.1255333992434; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 00:53:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 00:53:12 -0700 Message-ID: <560f92640910120053s1c9bb2fcj838d622627f164b3@mail.gmail.com> From: Nerius Landys To: Stefan Miklosovic Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: error output redirection X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:53:13 -0000 > if error output of some program appear on screen, > it is possible to print it also to some file simultaneously ? Since you said "simultaneously", it made me think of the command tee. man tee? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 12 08:59:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BFAF1065672 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 08:59:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mkushnir@lohika.com) Received: from sbox.lohika.com (sbox.lohika.com [217.9.0.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9587E8FC17 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 08:59:41 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,544,1249246800"; d="scan'208";a="3106225" Received: from unknown (HELO dekker.lohika.com) ([172.20.100.30]) by sbox-local.lohika.com with ESMTP; 12 Oct 2009 11:59:34 +0300 Received: from [95.135.129.220] ([95.135.129.220]) (authenticated bits=0) by dekker.lohika.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9C91EKA029187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:01:15 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from mkushnir@lohika.com) Message-ID: <4AD2EFF3.9020501@lohika.com> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:59:31 +0300 From: Markiyan Kushnir User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20090808) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nerius Landys References: <560f92640910120053s1c9bb2fcj838d622627f164b3@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <560f92640910120053s1c9bb2fcj838d622627f164b3@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94.2/9882/Mon Oct 12 03:15:10 2009 on dekker.lohika.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Stefan Miklosovic Subject: Re: error output redirection X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 08:59:53 -0000 what is easily done with tee for stdout cannot be done for stderr. Looks like there is no easy way to make a pipeline using stderr separately from stdout. If you want to watch output of the stderr separately from stdout, you might manage for it in two consoles: % foo 2>err % tail -f err Markiyan. Nerius Landys wrote: >> if error output of some program appear on screen, >> it is possible to print it also to some file simultaneously ? > > Since you said "simultaneously", it made me think of the command tee. man tee? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 12 09:12:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACA9A10656EE for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 09:12:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mkushnir@lohika.com) Received: from sbox.lohika.com (sbox.lohika.com [217.9.0.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 311C98FC1B for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 09:12:25 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,544,1249246800"; d="scan'208";a="3106287" Received: from unknown (HELO dekker.lohika.com) ([172.20.100.30]) by sbox-local.lohika.com with ESMTP; 12 Oct 2009 12:12:24 +0300 Received: from [95.135.129.220] ([95.135.129.220]) (authenticated bits=0) by dekker.lohika.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9C9E4RB030467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:14:05 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from mkushnir@lohika.com) Message-ID: <4AD2F2F5.3090805@lohika.com> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:12:21 +0300 From: Markiyan Kushnir User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20090808) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nerius Landys References: <560f92640910120053s1c9bb2fcj838d622627f164b3@mail.gmail.com> <4AD2EFF3.9020501@lohika.com> In-Reply-To: <4AD2EFF3.9020501@lohika.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94.2/9882/Mon Oct 12 03:15:10 2009 on dekker.lohika.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Stefan Miklosovic Subject: Re: error output redirection X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 09:12:26 -0000 George Davidovich already gave an answer. Markiyan Kushnir wrote: > what is easily done with tee for stdout cannot be done for stderr. Looks > like there is no easy way to make a pipeline using stderr separately > from stdout. If you want to watch output of the stderr separately from > stdout, you might manage for it in two consoles: > > % foo 2>err > > % tail -f err > > Markiyan. > > Nerius Landys wrote: >>> if error output of some program appear on screen, >>> it is possible to print it also to some file simultaneously ? >> >> Since you said "simultaneously", it made me think of the command tee. >> man tee? >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 12 09:13:59 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90F6E1065692 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 09:13:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from s-ussG1A7YKAxFtAsAl0-WBGZAC2b8FCxTgD-6jXa7QpBDmZ4T_TP1B4@bounce.linkedin.com) Received: from mail16-a-aa.linkedin.com (mail16-a-aa.linkedin.com [64.74.98.139]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DA198FC1A for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 09:13:59 +0000 (UTC) DomainKey-Signature: s=prod; d=linkedin.com; c=nofws; q=dns; h=Sender:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type:X-LinkedIn-fbl; b=mCjR+GMxpZdiZ6gy79RFceJ/Tf472Rfz49rbrAZo3M4XICV4Lat+xWbh U3KXGs571AkynIwV5Q62Er56LJRhqosI0/dCM2/XJKWMEGCREOUwzA0p3 FsPyfiZs/tqY+Jc; Sender: messages-noreply@bounce.linkedin.com Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 01:46:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Leandro Silva To: "Jerry Dunham, PMP" Message-ID: <306491100.1463475.1255337169424.JavaMail.app@ech3-cdn11.prod> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-LinkedIn-fbl: ussG1A7YKAxFtAsAl0-WBGZAC2b8FCxTgD-6jXa7QpBDmZ4T_TP1B4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 09:13:59 -0000 LinkedIn ------------ Leandro Silva requested to add you as a connection on LinkedIn: ------------------------------------------ Jerry, I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. - Leandro Accept invitation from Leandro Silva http://www.linkedin.com/e/1o3bCy0npDqyzD3wjrAbLV0nLmqMr8R-MulSGyDnb3nr/blk/I1497860734_2/pmpxnSRJrSdvj4R5fnhv9ClRsDgZp6lQs6lzoQ5AomZIpn8_cBYQcPsMdzwTejgNiiZzomF5tnBKriYOdz8Nd30NejsLrCBxbOYWrSlI/EML_comm_afe/ View invitation from Leandro Silva http://www.linkedin.com/e/1o3bCy0npDqyzD3wjrAbLV0nLmqMr8R-MulSGyDnb3nr/blk/I1497860734_2/39vd3cTc3oUdPAQckALqnpPbOYWrSlI/svi/ ------------------------------------------ Why might connecting with Leandro Silva be a good idea? 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So far, I'm at the 'see if it works in principle' stage, and I'm finding something strange. My procedure: * Start with an empty hard drive (ad0). * Boot off the FreeBSD CD, enter the live CD filesystem shell (Fixit -> Live CD Filesystem) * Create a single slice with fdisk that spans the entire disk (fdisk -i /dev/ad0) * Create a single partition with bsdlabel that spans the entire slice (bsdlabel -w /dev/ad0s1) * Install the FreeBSD Boot Loader (boot0cfg -B /dev/ad0) * Format and restore the dumpfile (newfs /dev/ad0s1a && mount /dev/ad0s1a /mnt && cd /mnt && ssh storagebox "dd if=home/aj/image.dump" | restore -rvf - * Unmount /mnt and restart. The steps work fine... on physical hardware. The restored image boots up fine. As a VM guest, running in either VMWare or VirtualBox, it don't work. Everything appears to go fine, but when I get to the boot loader, pressing F1 just makes the PC speaker beep at me. Any pointers would be appreciated. I'm using FreeBSD 6.4. Cheers, Alex Jurkiewicz From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 12 11:08:31 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C779106568D for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:08:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from herbert.raimund@gmx.net) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 861908FC13 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:08:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 12 Oct 2009 11:08:28 -0000 Received: from host-194126238033.net-serwis.pl (EHLO localhost) [194.126.238.33] by mail.gmx.net (mp026) with SMTP; 12 Oct 2009 13:08:28 +0200 X-Authenticated: #18511094 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18hLGtD+3wheAMMu4IrgeAMiNt4w3qloWcI4Ei5/q qZNZprWKrTzuJ2 Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:08:27 +0200 From: herbert langhans To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20091012110827.GA748@sandcat> References: <98ac902a0910120214m29d299b5o6aa58fdba45c9f95@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <98ac902a0910120214m29d299b5o6aa58fdba45c9f95@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.6 Subject: Fetchmail freaks out X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:08:31 -0000 Hi Daemons, there happen strange things when I boot my laptop, FreeBSD 7.2, Fetchmail 6.3.11 (newest). .. Starting fetchmail. Starting fetchmail. fetchmail: can't accept options while a background fetchmail is running .. (Yes, the 'Starting' appears twice) My /etc/rc.conf contains: fetchmail_enable="YES" My /usr/local/etc/fetchmailrc contains: poll MYDOMAINNAME.COM, protocol pop3, no dns user MYUSERNAME there with password XXXXXX is MYUSERNAME here My /usr/local/etc/rc.d/fetchmail exists and is the default one from the port-install. That should be all the files I have. Fetchmail even works, but: What are these double starting-messages (#ps -ax shows just one fetchmail running)? What am I doing wrong? How to get rid of it? Thanks herb langhans -- sprachtraining langhans herbert langhans, warschau http://www.langhans.com.pl herbert dot raimund at gmx dot net +0048 603 341 441 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 12 08:42:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B6231065695 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 08:42:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f223.google.com (mail-bw0-f223.google.com [209.85.218.223]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD3BC8FC1B for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 08:42:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz23 with SMTP id 23so1782566bwz.43 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 01:42:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=ubhhOjj8ETbcZX61kIM8DATQZ6c2THV9Vy8r8+4DxPg=; b=NauA0de7ZvveDAjOIy1HoBK4Y58J1ypndgWmziWLkv9lhMVOwqktflPQ43NaEDET12 AU/3VsBtC57EnUx/1jlEwOWrDvB+0ZHHV0YZ+SqU+4lZmtCW7mShFaCu24MKeDl9Yo3y GIoIL61haQtVMPpPAAwxKsofF0Wa3hVHAk6xU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=iknTkyhgdu4jUkd+Mt4zZhetxUyyASiU30Cy3pL5XsG2N4lCwsuZxerOTDohsZqS4N MEx79lueWYEvt8LqYP1x+FBETX4jOjlnoJSkNWVjMOrxsfY06qoC8q1FEojYspQkCWdv ZyO1qhFxqTXScTOWC30BRXw+2scvD+Da9K6NM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.139.221 with SMTP id u29mr360569hbu.35.1255336942547; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 01:42:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <560f92640910120048t76bd723cx2843adc4156f4a99@mail.gmail.com> References: <4ACFDD57.6000401@izb.knu.ac.kr> <560f92640910091944k66f8c595rcbdb296e0dbfc078@mail.gmail.com> <20091010194000.GA17212@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <560f92640910101323v36aa49aat5b88f6542bd8e169@mail.gmail.com> <4AD26400.2060502@FreeBSD.org> <560f92640910120048t76bd723cx2843adc4156f4a99@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 09:42:22 +0100 Message-ID: From: krad To: Nerius Landys X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:17:12 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Jerry McAllister , Daniel Gerzo , Marwan Sultan , ?????? , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: best FBSD version for commercial use. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 08:42:24 -0000 2009/10/12 Nerius Landys > > Selected releases (normally every second release plus the last release > from > > each -STABLE branch) will be supported by the Security Officer for a > minimum > > of 24 months after the release, and for sufficient additional time (if > > needed) to ensure that there is a newer Extended release for at least 3 > > months before the older Extended release expires. > > OK for some reason I made the perhaps incorrect assumption that 7.2 > was the last release in the 7.x line. I don't know where I got that > from, but I do seem to recall seeing that somewhere. Could be wrong. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > ive seen 7.3 mentioned on release engineering docs. I doubt whether it will go further than that though From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 12 14:00:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D468B10656A3 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:00:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from greg.morell@yahoo.com) Received: from web46415.mail.sp1.yahoo.com (web46415.mail.sp1.yahoo.com [68.180.199.204]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 980BC8FC2C for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:00:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 57680 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Oct 2009 13:33:41 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1255354420; bh=mV1z/8bz20ikiz6Rw2d3TMSs/LSvrkb9duZDXNQLSZY=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=f/OFX5XZ0AH3GKto4NZWzGxh05xg8zuXFr5MxLwK39mduV6k5Jm4TjnNYhVd3eJQPZxNF0qcwu2L/wpKMa3CU1jvATLc15VzNELGF6ivMLHhog01nRjd+sA/F/jVFXWws1aMJoxOVcmCnVzh0iNcRgiW2XH34eVaAsj4DttuI3Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=yU0eqpBwbJVhpTK9ENB/kGvyAmGxNFDCwZThE7PeoWzduqywmyXyZlXtBF1wCtOIc6h2l4dHng4HTnoGXYL+XebwsD3G7ZZITI0rpBzQvbYm1+7ffJP7AYrloyqslATQyi8ndJGo+V0jtKOhDdS0YY3CI5AXu8pKW+mU8PIw/nk=; Message-ID: <954220.56717.qm@web46415.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: YclrM9wVM1mz.i2bgF5o7GK0Y6bjjekl9hdsloIVGUsPujWxAjFBaKNvYyYR.mF5d0k2mJB94YVcN0LGUd2q5ka90K3tEa05SOYO5560i9wgLKq6V2lET245QFZayCHDmy7Tfp3mYv3dBAOdyzFiiDfjENSLfQV4fgy3hoHHy1KjHPUJubZtXtm2RxQ_oA.R0y00zap8aXGrEFtBsUDTuFvYdN1CrrvfoIKeztZ.tTqO0EJeI5THV.YWqIUOZcPxZMo- Received: from [207.237.128.4] by web46415.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 06:33:40 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/7.0.14 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.3 Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 06:33:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg Morell To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Mountable encrypted file? What to use? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:00:22 -0000 Since TrueCrypt doesn't work on FreeBSD, I'm wondering what you'd recommend for this: I like to keep all of my sensitive stuff in a few encrypted mountable files. Something where I can copy the file to a USB key for backup, but not worry if I lose the USB key since it's just an encrypted file. But when on a computer, I can mount it as a volume. On OS X, I use encrypted 'dmg' volumes. On Linux and Windows, I use TrueCrypt. What should I use on FreeBSD? It doesn't have to be portable. Something FreeBSD-only is fine. Thanks! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 12 14:03:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB009106566B for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:03:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69AC38FC18 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:03:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with esmtp (envelope-from ) id <1MxLUl-0001hc-Ln>; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:03:27 +0200 Received: from telesto.geoinf.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.86.198]) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with esmtpsa (envelope-from ) id <1MxLUl-00069d-K9>; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:03:27 +0200 Message-ID: <4AD3373F.1090206@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:03:43 +0000 From: "O. Hartmann" Organization: Freie =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Universit=E4t_Berlin?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090824) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 130.133.86.198 Subject: [ports/science/paraview]: /usr/local/lib/paraview-2.4/tk8.4/tk.tcl: no event type or button # or keysym X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:03:28 -0000 Before posting a PR I'll ask whether this error I receive after a fresh installation of paraview from ports today on FreeBSD 8.0-RC1/amd64 is an serious issue or something related on misconfiguration. Besides, tcl/tk 8.4 is up to date and present on the system. Hope someone can help, regards, Oliver -- ParaView error: InitializeTcl failed Tk_Init error: Can't find a usable tk.tcl in the following directories: /usr/local/lib/paraview-2.4/tk8.4 /usr/local/lib/paraview-2.4/tk8.4/tk.tcl: no event type or button # or keysym no event type or button # or keysym while executing "bind Listbox { %W yview scroll [expr {- (%D / 120) * 4}] units }" (file "/usr/local/lib/paraview-2.4/tk8.4/listbox.tcl" line 182) invoked from within "source /usr/local/lib/paraview-2.4/tk8.4/listbox.tcl" (in namespace eval "::" script line 1) invoked from within "namespace eval :: [list source [file join $::tk_library $file.tcl]]" (procedure "SourceLibFile" line 2) invoked from within "SourceLibFile listbox" (in namespace eval "::tk" script line 4) invoked from within "namespace eval ::tk { SourceLibFile button SourceLibFile entry SourceLibFile listbox SourceLibFile menu SourceLibFile panedwindow SourceLibFile ..." invoked from within "if {$::tk_library ne ""} { if {[string equal $tcl_platform(platform) "macintosh"]} { proc ::tk::SourceLibFile {file} { if {[catch { namesp..." (file "/usr/local/lib/paraview-2.4/tk8.4/tk.tcl" line 397) invoked from within "source /usr/local/lib/paraview-2.4/tk8.4/tk.tcl" ("uplevel" body line 1) invoked from within "uplevel #0 [list source $file]" This probably means that tk wasn't installed properly. -- Oliver Hartmann Freie Universitaet Berlin Planetologie und Fernerkundung Malteserstr. 74 - 100/Haus D D-12249 Berlin Tel.: +49 (0) 30 838 70 508 FAX: +49 (0) 30 838 70 539 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 12 14:33:41 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 186B7106566B for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:33:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from colejd@comcast.net) Received: from QMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99D6B8FC1C for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:33:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from OMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.11]) by QMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id rnc71c0040EZKEL52qLSed; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:20:26 +0000 Received: from corsair ([24.218.214.211]) by OMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id rqLR1c00T4aE2Xs3MqLRdW; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:20:25 +0000 From: "James Cole" To: Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:20:18 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcpLRyA17nu8WSV3RUWYbAVxxCaWnQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: kdeutils4 compile problem w/ superkaramba X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:33:41 -0000 I am trying to compile KDE4 but when it tries to compile the kdeutils4 dependency (doing so manually here), it croaks with superkaramba. >From what I can tell, superkaramba cannot find python.h or any other call in /usr/ports/misc/kdeutils4/work/kdeutils-4.3.1/superkaramba/src/python/karamb a.cpp I have 7.1-RELEASE with updated ports as of Oct-6. python26 is installed with threads. Using my friend Google, the only advise I have found is installing the python-devel package (which doesn't seem to exist in FreeBSD) on a superkaramba faq page. http://netdragon.sourceforge.net/faq.html Any help would be great. Code: #make install [ 88%] Built target sweeper [ 88%] Built target superkaramba_automoc [ 88%] Building CXX object superkaramba/src/CMakeFiles/superkaramba.dir/python/karamba.o /usr/ports/misc/kdeutils4/work/kdeutils-4.3.1/superkaramba/src/python/karamb a.cpp:30:20: error: Python.h: No such file or directory /usr/ports/misc/kdeutils4/work/kdeutils-4.3.1/superkaramba/src/python/karamb a.cpp:65: error: 'PyMethodDef' does not name a type /usr/ports/misc/kdeutils4/work/kdeutils-4.3.1/superkaramba/src/python/karamb a.cpp: In constructor 'KarambaPython::KarambaPython(const ThemeFile&, bool)': /usr/ports/misc/kdeutils4/work/kdeutils-4.3.1/superkaramba/src/python/karamb a.cpp:355: error: 'PyRun_SimpleString' was not declared in this scope /usr/ports/misc/kdeutils4/work/kdeutils-4.3.1/superkaramba/src/python/karamb a.cpp:361: error: 'PyImport_AddModule' was not declared in this scope /usr/ports/misc/kdeutils4/work/kdeutils-4.3.1/superkaramba/src/python/karamb a.cpp:362: error: 'karamba_methods' was not declared in this scope /usr/ports/misc/kdeutils4/work/kdeutils-4.3.1/superkaramba/src/python/karamb a.cpp:362: error: 'Py_InitModule' was not declared in this scope /superkaramba/src/python/karamba.cpp:630: error: 'Py_BuildValue' was not declared in this scope *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/misc/kdeutils4/work/kdeutils-4.3.1/build. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/misc/kdeutils4/work/kdeutils-4.3.1/build. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/misc/kdeutils4/work/kdeutils-4.3.1/build. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/misc/kdeutils4. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/misc/kdeutils4. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 12 15:12:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1737A106566B for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:12:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from cp-out7.libero.it (cp-out7.libero.it [212.52.84.107]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F0498FC1C for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:11:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from soth.ventu (151.51.27.177) by cp-out7.libero.it (8.5.107) id 4ACF3C910063346F; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:11:58 +0200 Received: from alamar.ventu (alamar.ventu [10.1.2.18]) by soth.ventu (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9CFBv0p058184; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:11:57 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Message-ID: <4AD3473C.4000204@netfence.it> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:11:56 +0200 From: Andrea Venturoli User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090828) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Morell References: <954220.56717.qm@web46415.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <954220.56717.qm@web46415.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mountable encrypted file? What to use? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:12:00 -0000 Greg Morell ha scritto: > Since TrueCrypt doesn't work on FreeBSD, I'm wondering what you'd recommend for this: > > I like to keep all of my sensitive stuff in a few encrypted mountable files. > > Something where I can copy the file to a USB key for backup, but not worry if I lose the USB key since it's just an encrypted file. But when on a computer, I can mount it as a volume. What about GELI? I've used it for a long time with no problems. Check the handbook for details. bye av. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 12 16:20:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF45110657B6 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:20:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75EAC8FC20 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:20:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n9CGK9kX077970; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:20:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B768DBA8C; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:20:08 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:20:08 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: Greg Morell Message-ID: <20091012162008.GA17456@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <954220.56717.qm@web46415.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Nq2Wo0NMKNjxTN9z" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <954220.56717.qm@web46415.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mountable encrypted file? What to use? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:20:11 -0000 --Nq2Wo0NMKNjxTN9z Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 06:33:40AM -0700, Greg Morell wrote: > Since TrueCrypt doesn't work on FreeBSD, I'm wondering what you'd recomme= nd for this: >=20 > I like to keep all of my sensitive stuff in a few encrypted mountable fil= es. >=20 > Something where I can copy the file to a USB key for backup, but not worr= y if I lose the USB key since it's just an encrypted file. But when on a c= omputer, I can mount it as a volume. >=20 > On OS X, I use encrypted 'dmg' volumes. >=20 > On Linux and Windows, I use TrueCrypt. >=20 > What should I use on FreeBSD? You should use GELI, see geli(8). It can encrypt complete disks, partitions= or bsdlabels. If you want the encrypted stuff encased in a file, you should us= e md(4) to create a vnode-backed memory disk, and encrypt that with GELI. Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --Nq2Wo0NMKNjxTN9z Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.13 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkrTVzgACgkQEnfvsMMhpyUrOACdGva/WneVqh1c17WbhG1J12xv kFAAn3SHz45N5N5YVlEzDvRza39LjiEu =7B6v -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Nq2Wo0NMKNjxTN9z-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 12 16:38:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE15E106568F for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:38:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gfritz@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f222.google.com (mail-fx0-f222.google.com [209.85.220.222]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CCAC8FC1C for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:38:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm22 with SMTP id 22so8281556fxm.36 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 09:38:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:date:from:to:cc :subject:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=FzrhLKn32RT6BsH3H8szDdk5WaycZ8B5wKIT7Pg5oRo=; b=M92EzKaQmA70cOb1v9iVPpmHhlUCPGB3gjDPGkAnqeuTiTWC+OReChKm6aCni5e5A0 djzvnDom4gilVlE+m79u8Ild9AvVmx1qUQO8C9RYCyMvZoUX9sJSSvjhhmEOSZzykbpj XxCO/cHSBP73QijWND81jCb27owzZ6n+dCRI0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; b=M/vdTpPkV6f12iplzRSQiWsVCZLXVe2GQfXOXJHGtjvHViobsaNROBSCyYr0KQApis lqUeMKwe6ALubZr+Fix9KrugYiv2CoCBVUXnttbngz5401QPiZvohTQjSeSmQOIVMvU5 6GbGdJVbDqlSyR4zvQVhb4w+VeeTyXoAG+zc4= Received: by 10.204.36.202 with SMTP id u10mr5181565bkd.196.1255364310693; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 09:18:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dev.null (247-175-174-206.cust.wirelessbeehive.com [206.174.175.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f31sm6042495fkf.35.2009.10.12.09.18.27 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 12 Oct 2009 09:18:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by dev.null (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B34A6CD38; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:18:24 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:18:24 -0600 From: Geoff Fritz To: Greg Morell Message-ID: <20091012161824.GA370@dev.null> References: <954220.56717.qm@web46415.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <954220.56717.qm@web46415.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mountable encrypted file? What to use? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:38:48 -0000 On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 06:33:40AM -0700, Greg Morell wrote: > > I like to keep all of my sensitive stuff in a few encrypted mountable files. > Something where I can copy the file to a USB key for backup, but not > worry if I lose the USB key since it's just an encrypted file. But when > on a computer, I can mount it as a volume. > > What should I use on FreeBSD? Combine geli with the md device: dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/secret bs=1 count=0 seek=1G mdconfig -a -t vnode -f /tmp/secret -u 1984 geli load geli init /dev/md1984 && geli attach /dev/md1984 newfs /dev/md1984.eli mkdir /mnt/secret && mount /dev/md1984.eli /mnt/secret echo "the formula for Coke is..." > /mnt/secret/secret_formula.txt umount /mnt/secret geli detach /dev/md1984.eli mdconfig -d -u 1984 cp /tmp/secret /mnt/usbdrive (I don't know off-hand the 'cp' options for copying sparse files correctly). Read the man pages for all of the commands you are unfamiliar with. geli(8) has a lot of flexible options. -- Geoff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 12 17:35:39 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A165A1065672 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:35:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no (smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no [IPv6:2001:700:1100:1:200:ff:fe00:b]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 243FD8FC1C for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:35:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.fig.ol.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.fig.ol.no (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9CHZLg5097632 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:35:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from localhost (trond@localhost) by mail.fig.ol.no (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n9CHZL6i097629 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:35:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.fig.ol.no: trond owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:35:17 +0200 (CEST) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_Endrest=F8l?= Sender: Trond.Endrestol@fagskolen.gjovik.no To: FreeBSD questions Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) Organization: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fagskolen_i_Gj=F8vik?= OpenPGP: url=http://fagskolen.gjovik.no/~trond/trond.key MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="2055831798-1864763709-1255367153=:84355" Content-ID: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mail.fig.ol.no Subject: Trouble making a Tandberg LTO-2 HH S619 work with AMANDA 2.6.1p1 on 7.2-STABLE as of today X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:35:39 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --2055831798-1864763709-1255367153=:84355 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Content-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I'm having trouble making a Tandberg LTO-2 HH S619 work with AMANDA 2.6.1p1 on 7.2-STABLE i386 cvsup'ed as of today local time. The tape drive is connected to channel A on: ahc0: port 0xec00-0xecff mem 0xff8ff000-0xff8fffff irq 17 at device 8.0 on pci1 ahc0: [ITHREAD] aic7899: Ultra160 Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 32/253 SCBs ahc1: port 0xe800-0xe8ff mem 0xff8fe000-0xff8fefff irq 18 at device 8.1 on pci1 ahc1: [ITHREAD] aic7899: Ultra160 Wide Channel B, SCSI Id=7, 32/253 SCBs During (re)boot the following is recorded in dmesg: (probe5:ahc0:0:5:0): TEST UNIT READY. CDB: 0 0 0 0 0 0 (probe5:ahc0:0:5:0): CAM Status: SCSI Status Error (probe5:ahc0:0:5:0): SCSI Status: Check Condition (probe5:ahc0:0:5:0): UNIT ATTENTION asc:29,2 (probe5:ahc0:0:5:0): SCSI bus reset occurred (probe5:ahc0:0:5:0): Retrying Command (per Sense Data) sa0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 5 lun 0 sa0: Removable Sequential Access SCSI-3 device sa0: 160.000MB/s transfers (80.000MHz DT, offset 64, 16bit) Is these messages normal for this drive? A valid tape was present in the drive during reboot. This is a brand new drive and in it's maiden voyage the other night AMANDA complained about running out of tape after a mere 10 GB worth of data. LTO2 tapes usually have a raw capacity of about 200 GB. Next I ran amtapetype to get the new characteristics, but got the following instead: amanda@XXX:~>mt -f /dev/sa0 comp off amanda@XXX:~>mt -f /dev/sa0 status Mode Density Blocksize bpi Compression Current: 0x42 variable 0 disabled - ---------available modes--------- 0: 0x42 variable 0 0x1 1: 0x42 variable 0 0x1 2: 0x42 variable 0 0x1 3: 0x42 variable 0 0x1 - --------------------------------- Current Driver State: at rest. - --------------------------------- File Number: 0 Record Number: 0 Residual Count 0 amanda@XXX:~>/usr/bin/time -l amtapetype -t "TANDBERG-LTO2-HH-TANDBERG-200GB-WITHOUT-COMPRESSION" /dev/sa0 Applying heuristic check for compression. Wrote random (uncompressible) data at 22260042.3225806 bytes/sec Wrote fixed (compressible) data at 22260042.3225806 bytes/sec Compression: disabled Writing one file to fill the volume. Wrote less than 100MB to the device: Error writing block: Unknown error: 0 9133,58 real 4747,35 user 316,77 sys 11700 maximum resident set size 3 average shared memory size 730 average unshared data size 127 average unshared stack size 1614 page reclaims 1 page faults 0 swaps 18 block input operations 2 block output operations 0 messages sent 0 messages received 0 signals received 44390062 voluntary context switches 26325015 involuntary context switches amanda@XXX:~> I managed to observe the block count rising well into 6000000 before the abrupt ending which usually indicates the tape being completely filled assuming a block size of 32K which is the default for amtapetype. I can (re)boot the server with verbose logging turned on if that can improve the diagnosis. I've ordered a new Adaptec 39320 to use with this drive. If anyone has a better suggestion please let's have it. Trond. - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Trond Endrestøl | Trond.Endrestol@fagskolen.gjovik.no ACM, NAS, NUUG, SAGE, USENIX | FreeBSD 7.2-STABLE & Alpine 2.00 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkrTaNkACgkQbYWZalUoElvQUACaAqtSRuAFUJc84NTpZVuqKulY Z4QAn1L0fZzRoXVPXQjA+NBuAgSYtBPZ =6Bl5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --2055831798-1864763709-1255367153=:84355-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 12 18:53:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC1231065670 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:53:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f197.google.com (mail-yw0-f197.google.com [209.85.211.197]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A99518FC14 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:53:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywh35 with SMTP id 35so30238992ywh.7 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:53:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=sebz5S6Nib5R/jq31TYAaDWhMmxpFzrE37J05s/JqJw=; b=sEkTDWH96beJH6wkn7YXnruxyvZJXNHxv73Dy0JGRXiX8YnbxuFe/ELr1z3nCdt/Jf +dGDZHGHmKicYVEn1OXK7k1jjh7CZIMGh+Jcf11djWQilZ0mMZOKlynihIyhv0P+18jU tQDBv7YyECIUGd4LQgtlwWnq/0DgnMQR9vU/8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=Mu0CCwPxeI8n2I10PJZkOWNauR5/216ta6UxdXV0kHeDWsiQ7B1XS3gun0MHhYGs9B Xg56tnnD+6RDuVRW6vh9Shw7yQKSAIjCXzb/TorUUkwDT4bv2RvZx7d+QIH7qMBkHGWQ 01cUVrEYj2noxArnjShkQYSinwGQ+oeToYMxY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.102.16 with SMTP id e16mr5903461anm.84.1255373589899; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:53:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <98ac902a0910120214m29d299b5o6aa58fdba45c9f95@mail.gmail.com> References: <98ac902a0910120214m29d299b5o6aa58fdba45c9f95@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:53:09 -0600 Message-ID: From: Tim Judd To: Alex Jurkiewicz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: restore(8)ing new / -- boots on metal but not in a VM X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:53:11 -0000 On 10/12/09, Alex Jurkiewicz wrote: > Hi all, > A little background: I'm writing a script that will allow me to > restore(8) a standard FreeBSD partition to multiple machines. So far, > I'm at the 'see if it works in principle' stage, and I'm finding > something strange. > > My procedure: > * Start with an empty hard drive (ad0). > * Boot off the FreeBSD CD, enter the live CD filesystem shell (Fixit > -> Live CD Filesystem) > * Create a single slice with fdisk that spans the entire disk (fdisk > -i /dev/ad0) > * Create a single partition with bsdlabel that spans the entire slice > (bsdlabel -w /dev/ad0s1) > * Install the FreeBSD Boot Loader (boot0cfg -B /dev/ad0) > * Format and restore the dumpfile (newfs /dev/ad0s1a && mount > /dev/ad0s1a /mnt && cd /mnt && ssh storagebox "dd > if=home/aj/image.dump" | restore -rvf - > * Unmount /mnt and restart. > > The steps work fine... on physical hardware. The restored image boots > up fine. As a VM guest, running in either VMWare or VirtualBox, it > don't work. Everything appears to go fine, but when I get to the boot > loader, pressing F1 just makes the PC speaker beep at me. > > Any pointers would be appreciated. I'm using FreeBSD 6.4. > > Cheers, > Alex Jurkiewicz Is the virtual machine using SCSI emulation to boot, or is it using IDE? SCSI drives are da(4), IDE drives are ata(4) [aka ad(4)] If the boot blocks (maybe boot0 specific) point to an ad/ata device, and the virtual machine is SCSI, it won't find the boot sectors. Personally, I use the "standard" boot blocks which don't allow multibooting but I don't multiboot BSD anyway. The standard boot blocks work by finding the first bsd slice, and booting it. I like the keyword find because it doesn't direct the boot blocks to something unfindable. :D Let me know the subsystem layout, and we'll work from there. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 12 19:18:51 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B7D21065672 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:18:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1FAE8FC1E for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:18:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-71-245.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.71.245]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51ECD1DDAB; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:18:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n9CJImvP001563; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:18:48 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:18:48 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Geoff Fritz Message-Id: <20091012211848.a92b6394.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20091012161824.GA370@dev.null> References: <954220.56717.qm@web46415.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <20091012161824.GA370@dev.null> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Greg Morell , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mountable encrypted file? What to use? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:18:51 -0000 On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:18:24 -0600, Geoff Fritz wrote: > mdconfig -a -t vnode -f /tmp/secret -u 1984 ^^^^^^^^ Heheh... You plusgood coder. Continue scriptwrite fulwise! :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 12 21:13:59 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BA1A106568B for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:13:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@slightlystrange.org) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D546F8FC13 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:13:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091012211343.MYUC17277.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:13:43 +0100 Received: from catflap.slightlystrange.org ([82.21.107.64]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20091012211343.FNJH2093.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@catflap.slightlystrange.org> for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:13:43 +0100 Received: by catflap.slightlystrange.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 5F8906197; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:13:40 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:13:40 +0100 From: Daniel Bye To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20091012211339.GA12688@torus.slightlystrange.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="CE+1k2dSO48ffgeK" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-PGP-Fingerprint: D349 B109 0EB8 2554 4D75 B79A 8B17 F97C 1622 166A X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.0-RC1 sparc64 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=w2LRqdVQ8nkA:10 a=ehNlctqhnw0A:10 a=7CgW8afgiQkRaSJeyW8A:9 a=RB935RGTaid7Zy5lL5gk9CzxXlUA:4 a=JSY9G6yZ4_w51hrdtWIA:9 a=cHDEFlRRc9puZQKy2_7t8ROMeMEA:4 Subject: gmirror, gjournal and glabel - which order? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Daniel Bye List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:13:59 -0000 --CE+1k2dSO48ffgeK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I'm having a hard time trying to work out which order I should set up gmirror, glabel and gjournal on a new system. I want to journal my /home partition, label all the partitions for ease of reference, and use gmirror to save me in the event a disk goes bad. I am struggling to fit the pieces together conceptually in my mind. I understand the processes involved in setting each part separately - my problem is in trying to build this up in the right order so that it all makes sense. So far, I have labelled the primary drive and set up the journal. I have edited fstab to reflect the labels and journalled file system on /home. If I now build a mirror, don't I need to alter fstab to mount that and not the stuff in /dev/label? In which case, I guess I need to build the mirror first, and then set up labels and journals? I'm going round and round in circles here and none of the stuff I've read on the web enlightens me... :-/ Any insights or suggestions would be taken as a great kindness! Dan --=20 Daniel Bye _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) - against HTML, vCards and X - proprietary attachments in e-mail / \ --CE+1k2dSO48ffgeK Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.13 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkrTnAMACgkQixf5fBYiFmqmDACfbrmvu23O2EoyHRCLTztk+VNv FlgAoLetAo1VaOR/Nluz5TjWHbgYDzIA =B8t8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --CE+1k2dSO48ffgeK-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 12 22:08:49 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC2D31065676 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:08:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonicy@otenet.gr) Received: from kane.otenet.gr (kane.otenet.gr [83.235.67.31]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F0748FC15 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:08:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pulstar.local (athedsl-396412.home.otenet.gr [79.131.100.122]) by kane.otenet.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n9CM8kl6031214 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 01:08:46 +0300 Message-ID: <4AD3A8EE.8020708@otenet.gr> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 01:08:46 +0300 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20091012211339.GA12688@torus.slightlystrange.org> In-Reply-To: <20091012211339.GA12688@torus.slightlystrange.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: gmirror, gjournal and glabel - which order? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:08:49 -0000 Daniel Bye wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm having a hard time trying to work out which order I should set up > gmirror, glabel and gjournal on a new system. I want to journal my > /home partition, label all the partitions for ease of reference, and > use gmirror to save me in the event a disk goes bad. I am struggling > to fit the pieces together conceptually in my mind. I understand the > processes involved in setting each part separately - my problem is in > trying to build this up in the right order so that it all makes sense. > > So far, I have labelled the primary drive and set up the journal. I have > edited fstab to reflect the labels and journalled file system on /home. > If I now build a mirror, don't I need to alter fstab to mount that and > not the stuff in /dev/label? In which case, I guess I need to build the > mirror first, and then set up labels and journals? > > I'm going round and round in circles here and none of the stuff I've > read on the web enlightens me... :-/ > > Any insights or suggestions would be taken as a great kindness! > > Dan > > When not mirroring, I first create the journals and then label the resulting adxxxx.journal devices In case you are doing a gmirror device, you would not really need the separate label step - the gm device name won't change and gmirror is not affected if the device names of the individual disks change (the disks are marked as part of a mirror and scanned at startup). When you are creating the composite gmirror device you are effectively labeling it anyway i.e. gmirror label gm0... Now if you follow the usual tutorials found in the web you would be using gm0 / gm1 but you actually name it any way you wish. If you really need to label the separate gmirrored partitions, do it after setting up the mirror. Concerning the order of journals and mirroring, I create the journals first, then mirror the result. This has always worked fine for me. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 12 22:14:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FD3E106566B for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:14:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeremysalmeron@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f222.google.com (mail-fx0-f222.google.com [209.85.220.222]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA9CF8FC1B for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:14:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm22 with SMTP id 22so8524725fxm.36 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:14:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=GUAwck/kO4w33COn3RtNT87cpsLT12eecdXC4+asIxg=; b=xeCXyihrUySIogDT0nJlKWe48yYTSATkNvlvGLI4APyJkmSjcKvot6jYmyxw0uUxnf Dg76nof2R2cnxN+DCJe658kYWezZSTMy3o/+Qk3n3H55rV8m9SX55HFpQx1o/Jou8O5+ RRGrwWtCMK+Q3+1WOKsoHrNfyqnPhbCqcpWjA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=QpNXkc0U5G82/IZIFwWAuwTfh9otXu1JI1VaD9IpFmyJCVgWS9odJF5tzhPKzVvi92 sVJSEDTGSP6l6Ttqn3ElEJw+thCk9oNuD/B5/r0slIEUz0gScFFVJUiMeGyrZLyjaD/M i/R8RuSfllUuB94Byky40q3RPYueMyV0ukk+s= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.156.203 with SMTP id y11mr5539106bkw.200.1255384411200; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:53:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23:53:31 +0200 Message-ID: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=E9r=E9my_SALMERON?= To: questions@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Demande de renseignements X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:14:48 -0000 Bonsoir , Je souhaiterai distribuer une version modifi=E9e de FreeBSD : non alteratio= n du code source mais avec modification d'ordre graphique . Je souhaiterai la distribuer en bundle avec un p=E9riph=E9rique nomade . Puis-je utiliser librement le syst=E8me d'exploitation et le distribuer de cette mani=E8re ? Le cas =E9ch=E9ant , quelles sont les obligations que je dois respecter afi= n de ne pas =EAtre en contradiction avec le copyright ? Je ne trouve pas de r=E9ponses sur le net , je m'en remets =E0 vous . Cordialement J=E9r=E9my Salmeron I would like to sell a customized version of FreeBSD : no alteration but only a template modification . I would like to sell this product on a netbook. Could i use the OS and distribute like this way ? What are the rules that i must respect to be OK with the copyright ? I'm seeking on the net without finding answers I need your point Best Regards Jeremy Salmeron From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 13 00:29:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AB1B106568D for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 00:29:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@slightlystrange.org) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6BE38FC17 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 00:29:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091013002923.UJHA27507.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 01:29:23 +0100 Received: from catflap.slightlystrange.org ([82.21.107.64]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20091013002923.YBPO21638.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@catflap.slightlystrange.org> for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 01:29:23 +0100 Received: by catflap.slightlystrange.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6B47A64A3; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 01:29:20 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 01:29:20 +0100 From: Daniel Bye To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20091013002919.GB12688@torus.slightlystrange.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20091012211339.GA12688@torus.slightlystrange.org> <4AD3A8EE.8020708@otenet.gr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="XF85m9dhOBO43t/C" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4AD3A8EE.8020708@otenet.gr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-PGP-Fingerprint: D349 B109 0EB8 2554 4D75 B79A 8B17 F97C 1622 166A X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.0-RC1 sparc64 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=dC1Ldo5XeyQA:10 a=ehNlctqhnw0A:10 a=Y3hoo58EmDaJEhHKEsEA:9 a=2espcyFpuelIsSPf4gANM-VKCOMA:4 a=feicr6T9y-zhkO8PYgQA:9 a=AG3BxxMyLYjPU1y6mL46OlJ5Sy8A:4 Subject: Re: gmirror, gjournal and glabel - which order? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Daniel Bye List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 00:29:42 -0000 --XF85m9dhOBO43t/C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 01:08:46AM +0300, Manolis Kiagias wrote: > Daniel Bye wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I'm having a hard time trying to work out which order I should set up > > gmirror, glabel and gjournal on a new system. I want to journal my > > /home partition, label all the partitions for ease of reference, and > > use gmirror to save me in the event a disk goes bad. I am struggling > > to fit the pieces together conceptually in my mind. I understand the > > processes involved in setting each part separately - my problem is in > > trying to build this up in the right order so that it all makes sense. > > > > So far, I have labelled the primary drive and set up the journal. I have > > edited fstab to reflect the labels and journalled file system on /home. > > If I now build a mirror, don't I need to alter fstab to mount that and > > not the stuff in /dev/label? In which case, I guess I need to build the > > mirror first, and then set up labels and journals? > > > > I'm going round and round in circles here and none of the stuff I've > > read on the web enlightens me... :-/ > > > > Any insights or suggestions would be taken as a great kindness! > > > > Dan > > > > =20 > When not mirroring, I first create the journals and then label the > resulting adxxxx.journal devices > In case you are doing a gmirror device, you would not really need the > separate label step - the gm device name won't change and gmirror is not > affected if the device names of the individual disks change (the disks > are marked as part of a mirror and scanned at startup). > When you are creating the composite gmirror device you are effectively > labeling it anyway i.e. gmirror label gm0... > Now if you follow the usual tutorials found in the web you would be > using gm0 / gm1 but you actually name it any way you wish. > If you really need to label the separate gmirrored partitions, do it > after setting up the mirror. >=20 > Concerning the order of journals and mirroring, I create the journals > first, then mirror the result. This has always worked fine for me. Thanks much, Manoli. After posting, I came to more or less the same conclusion, but it's good to get confirmation from someone who clearly knows more about this stuff than I do! I'd still be interested to hear what others think/do. As ever, thanks for your time. Dan --=20 Daniel Bye _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) - against HTML, vCards and X - proprietary attachments in e-mail / \ --XF85m9dhOBO43t/C Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.13 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkrTyd8ACgkQixf5fBYiFmpd8ACgqhSJZL4dB2fh/Cdzl4n2iyAB Qr0An1KtduOYMCAim+XLkU3YuBXqsKfg =4ZEA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --XF85m9dhOBO43t/C-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 13 00:45:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B1B41065670 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 00:45:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alex.jurkiewicz@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f196.google.com (mail-qy0-f196.google.com [209.85.221.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E60648FC15 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 00:45:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk34 with SMTP id 34so7713669qyk.14 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:45:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=s+8rLM/OhpIJGrdEcAYQzcc9ZVhk/FQIcuqwGGzdFOQ=; b=v1H+b6dKQI1GpA/Kl318zuU8NxVh6UAoDr8e1pygAnfz5pA+t708V9zhx70l1NtwM4 3ImGZZlZ3hL/lDw2nkyRPBTf4bKjllqujeKPJFjeohS1dBVZk2UU5mZAEXJs3m2G8SBZ YCnFL+Wa0QfcebvSQismgknAwbv79YyDz3hhI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=iXeVW3UyvxnPWIeBCWqqMxU8ETJXx6wSA3W1Np09/vQI9jR+1sczEZMe+x1jWU0zaC 96e1dbg4uF9X57J/c5ZPZnl+jaf7j12OFP75pHOlKG+56BNvXTMmoEtsqHIkeakHrkOy +f1O+Seqqe1wgvtnmzrdXH+rJHViUSi/Zftys= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: alex.jurkiewicz@gmail.com Received: by 10.224.116.133 with SMTP id m5mr5229882qaq.214.1255394708172; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:45:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <98ac902a0910120214m29d299b5o6aa58fdba45c9f95@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 08:45:08 +0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: b9e04bf43a0eab06 Message-ID: <98ac902a0910121745h204124ear51139091572676f3@mail.gmail.com> From: Alex Jurkiewicz To: Tim Judd , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: Subject: Re: restore(8)ing new / -- boots on metal but not in a VM X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 00:45:09 -0000 2009/10/13 Tim Judd : > Is the virtual machine using SCSI emulation to boot, or is it using IDE? > > SCSI drives are da(4), IDE drives are ata(4) [aka ad(4)] > The dump was taken from an ad0 device on physical hardware, and I'm attempting to restore to the same, just on virtual hardware. > If the boot blocks (maybe boot0 specific) point to an ad/ata device, > and the virtual machine is SCSI, it won't find the boot sectors. So, if I make a dumpfile of / on an ad(4) device, I can't restore it to a da(4) device and expect it to boot? I guess at minimum I'll need two copies of this image if I want to roll it out on machines with both sorts of drive, right? Thanks, AJ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 13 03:42:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ED221065693 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 03:42:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from shell.rawbw.com (shell.rawbw.com [198.144.192.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60C018FC0A for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 03:42:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eagle.syrec.org (c-24-6-221-126.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [24.6.221.126]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell.rawbw.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id n9D3g9jv015359 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:42:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4AD3F710.3060701@rawbw.com> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:42:08 -0700 From: Yuri User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090824) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Netbooks good for FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: yuri@rawbw.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 03:42:10 -0000 I am thinking about buying a netbook. But I am afraid that WiFi wouldn't be supported. And all my previous attempts to make NDIS to work on FreeBD failed. Anybody has good experiences making netbooks work? Or better is there a hardware compatibility list for FreeBSD? Yuri From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 13 03:49:18 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 189C61065670 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 03:49:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from dd12710.kasserver.com (dd12710.kasserver.com [85.13.134.233]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB0D38FC0A for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 03:49:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from current.Sisis.de (ppp-93-104-103-214.dynamic.mnet-online.de [93.104.103.214]) by dd12710.kasserver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 033F8183E6862; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 05:49:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from guru@localhost) by current.Sisis.de (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n9D3nHSf002322; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 05:49:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: current.Sisis.de: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 05:49:17 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: Yuri Message-ID: <20091013034917.GB2063@current.Sisis.de> References: <4AD3F710.3060701@rawbw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <4AD3F710.3060701@rawbw.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT (i386) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Netbooks good for FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 03:49:18 -0000 El día Monday, October 12, 2009 a las 08:42:08PM -0700, Yuri escribió: > I am thinking about buying a netbook. But I am afraid that WiFi wouldn't > be supported. And all my previous attempts to make NDIS to work on > FreeBD failed. > > Anybody has good experiences making netbooks work? > Or better is there a hardware compatibility list for FreeBSD? Better post in freebsd-mobile such question. For your question see here: http://wiki.freebsd.org/AsusEee matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ Vote NO to EU The Lisbon Treaty: http://www.no-means-no.eu From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 13 04:15:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC895106568F for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 04:15:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pldrouin@pldrouin.net) Received: from smtp.cyberfingers.net (smtp.cyberfingers.net [198.177.254.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C949E8FC19 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 04:15:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mdaemon.pldrouin.net (CPE0023695b905f-CM001a666aca96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [99.246.67.95]) by smtp.cyberfingers.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED9AAAB6C19; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 00:12:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4AD3FEEB.1030405@pldrouin.net> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 00:15:39 -0400 From: Pierre-Luc Drouin User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090824) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: yuri@rawbw.com References: <4AD3F710.3060701@rawbw.com> In-Reply-To: <4AD3F710.3060701@rawbw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Netbooks good for FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 04:15:07 -0000 Hi, So far I have been able to get WiFi working on most netbooks I got, but honestly, FreeBSD is not the best for laptops. WiFi drivers are often a bit buggy (connection is dropping because of driver problems) and ACPI sleep modes never worked on my laptops. WiFi, ACPI sleep modes and graphic card support are the weakest points of FreeBSD for non-server usage according to me... Yuri wrote: > I am thinking about buying a netbook. But I am afraid that WiFi > wouldn't be supported. And all my previous attempts to make NDIS to > work on FreeBD failed. > > Anybody has good experiences making netbooks work? > Or better is there a hardware compatibility list for FreeBSD? > > Yuri > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 13 04:34:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 947F41065670 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 04:34:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pldrouin@pldrouin.net) Received: from smtp.cyberfingers.net (smtp.cyberfingers.net [198.177.254.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FBCA8FC17 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 04:34:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mdaemon.pldrouin.net (CPE0023695b905f-CM001a666aca96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [99.246.67.95]) by smtp.cyberfingers.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B839AB6C13; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 00:06:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4AD3FD92.6020708@pldrouin.net> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 00:09:54 -0400 From: Pierre-Luc Drouin User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090824) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=E9r=E9my_SALMERON?= References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Demande de renseignements X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 04:34:23 -0000 Bonjour, je crois bien que c'est possible. La license BSD est beaucoup plus permittive que la license GPL. En pratique je crois que la seule restriction est de ne pas alterer la notice. Il n'est pas obligatiore de rendre disponible le code source comme avec la license GPL. Le copyright complet est dans le fichier COPYRIGHT dans le dossier racine de FreeBSD. Pierre-Luc Drouin Jérémy SALMERON wrote: > Bonsoir , > Je souhaiterai distribuer une version modifiée de FreeBSD : non alteration > du code source mais avec modification d'ordre graphique . Je souhaiterai la > distribuer en bundle avec un périphérique nomade . > > Puis-je utiliser librement le système d'exploitation et le distribuer de > cette manière ? > Le cas échéant , quelles sont les obligations que je dois respecter afin de > ne pas être en contradiction avec le copyright ? > > Je ne trouve pas de réponses sur le net , je m'en remets à vous . > > Cordialement > > Jérémy Salmeron > > > > I would like to sell a customized version of FreeBSD : no alteration but > only a template modification . I would like to sell this product on a > netbook. > > Could i use the OS and distribute like this way ? > What are the rules that i must respect to be OK with the copyright ? > > I'm seeking on the net without finding answers > I need your point > > Best Regards > Jeremy Salmeron > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 13 05:00:30 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F23A106568B for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 05:00:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from saifi.khan@datasynergy.org) Received: from s219.sureserver.com (s219.sureserver.com [203.194.200.31]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 142968FC1B for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 05:00:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 22875 invoked by uid 1002); 13 Oct 2009 05:00:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.10.10.7?) (saifi.khan@datasynergy.org@59.92.135.48) by s219.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 13 Oct 2009 05:00:27 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:28:02 +0530 (IST) From: Saifi Khan X-X-Sender: saifi@freebsd To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: IUP port X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 05:00:30 -0000 Hi: Does anybody know if there is a IUP port in FreeBSD ? IUP is a portable toolkit for building graphical user interfaces http://www.tecgraf.puc-rio.br/iup/ thanks Saifi. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 13 05:42:29 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF88E1065672 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 05:42:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dead_line@hotmail.com) Received: from snt0-omc4-s4.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc4-s4.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.207]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1B888FC13 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 05:42:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from SNT103-W62 ([65.55.90.201]) by snt0-omc4-s4.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:42:29 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [219.67.152.99] From: Marwan Sultan To: FreeBSD Questions Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 05:42:28 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Oct 2009 05:42:29.0303 (UTC) FILETIME=[F3B8CC70:01CA4BC7] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: server specification. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 05:42:29 -0000 Hello gurus=2C =20 Im going to a new server=2C and i donot want to have a problem.. May please anyone advice me of any feed back of FreeBSD 7.2 with the follo= wing specification: any problems? =20 =20 1x Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz 2x 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 2GB DDR2 ECC 3WARE RAID SATA 2 ports 2x 250GB SATA in RAID 1 =20 So any problems with quad kentsfield and FBSD 7.2 ? =20 thank you in advance. =20 Marwan Sultan=20 =0A= _________________________________________________________________=0A= Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft=92s powerful SPAM protection.=0A= http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 13 07:51:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 279921065692 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 07:51:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erikt@midgard.homeip.net) Received: from ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net (ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net [80.76.149.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D792C8FC22 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 07:51:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c83-255-48-78.bredband.comhem.se ([83.255.48.78]:59034 helo=falcon.midgard.homeip.net) by ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Mxc9a-0002QV-5B for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 09:50:44 +0200 Received: (qmail 44819 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2009 09:50:40 +0200 Received: from owl.midgard.homeip.net (10.1.5.7) by falcon.midgard.homeip.net with ESMTP; 13 Oct 2009 09:50:40 +0200 Received: (qmail 81685 invoked by uid 1001); 13 Oct 2009 09:50:40 +0200 Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 09:50:40 +0200 From: Erik Trulsson To: Marwan Sultan Message-ID: <20091013075039.GA81673@owl.midgard.homeip.net> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Originating-IP: 83.255.48.78 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1Mxc9a-0002QV-5B. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net 1Mxc9a-0002QV-5B 87ae3b9c9dbe7c28c7055015b1ce452b Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: server specification. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 07:51:01 -0000 On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 05:42:28AM +0000, Marwan Sultan wrote: > > Hello gurus, > > > > Im going to a new server, and i donot want to have a problem.. > > May please anyone advice me of any feed back of FreeBSD 7.2 with the following specification: > > any problems? > > > > > > 1x Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 > Kentsfield 2.4GHz 2x 4MB L2 > Cache LGA 775 > > 2GB DDR2 ECC > > 3WARE RAID SATA 2 ports > > 2x 250GB SATA in RAID 1 > > > > So any problems with quad kentsfield and FBSD 7.2 ? No problems AFAIK, but then the exact CPU model is almost never a problem. Far more likely to cause problems is the chipset used on the motherboard where one or more components (ethernet controller, SATA controller, etc) might not be supported or might have problems. (The same goes for any additional controllers that might be included on the motherboard or on add-on cards.) Most chipsets work fine, but some of the very newest might not be supported yet. -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 13 07:51:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A3C51065694 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 07:51:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from howard@leadmon.net) Received: from ibm.leadmon.net (ibm.leadmon.net [207.114.24.13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6D3C8FC17 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 07:51:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from HDLDESKTOP64 (hdl-desktop-64.leadmon.net [207.114.24.3]) (authenticated bits=0) by ibm.leadmon.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/LNSG+SCOP+PSBL+LUBL+NJABL+SBL+DSBL+SORBS+CBL+RHSBL) with ESMTP id n9D7HJF3078484 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 03:17:19 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from howard@leadmon.net) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 ibm.leadmon.net n9D7HJF3078484 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=leadmon.net; s=default; t=1255418239; bh=JvTz84KRDYkSgswmEtQGw7cbLcbhgzsHmW2hUd+W4F8=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=rbuMKqejX0VRIuUXJt+GX6qe7U3IxMxtJdQzIme/sXgQyAPbUkDS4OvVOGBhhIoxy LNV76Q9mN7cn4F+MVhzaDvBfxczT4bhfMx+Qxfuvg5OIqOdNu8zYzHG1M31RskH2yz g2uXUNy9lEhi4QlPrcsaRlu8/x1atLAlr1faGhm4= X-DomainKeys: Sendmail DomainKeys Filter v1.0.2 ibm.leadmon.net n9D7HJF3078484 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=default; d=leadmon.net; c=simple; q=dns; h=x-senderid:authentication-results:from:to:subject:date: message-id:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; b=nyRjYik0hbgXFFq7U0yUaCn8b9JC7oVm4MjE3BhMg7FnzavKbAEUYnSAvp+01Dn2q PWd1tGhi5k0047Oh12dAKFaV8A8G/s5FSqqq6Ov2qQmTCCxMHxukUQPDvb3O1S+d5jk 0YeyLjeVbaiCBbFOkOOt2SjJr4TCV64+Xbf4sGE= X-SenderID: Sendmail Sender-ID Filter v1.0.0 ibm.leadmon.net n9D7HJF3078484 Authentication-Results: ibm.leadmon.net; sender-id=pass header.from=howard@leadmon.net; spf=pass smtp.mfrom=howard@leadmon.net From: "Howard Leadmon" To: Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 03:17:14 -0400 Message-ID: <00c401ca4bd5$327de870$9779b950$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 thread-index: AcpL1TBDJLY4ptVaR86ukCCXIR8nLg== Content-Language: en-us X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.2 at ibm.leadmon.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Kernel Build issue after doing a cvsup yesterday under 6.4 on x86 - Help (knote_fork) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 07:51:52 -0000 After running cvsup and doing a buildworld, I tried to make a new kernel, and got the following error.. On my 6.4-STABLE x86 machine, I received the following: cc -c -O -pipe -march=pentium4 -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -fformat-extensions -std=c99 -g -nostdinc -I- -I. -I/usr/src/sys -I/usr/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/usr/src/sys/contrib/ipfilter -I/usr/src/sys/contrib/pf -I/usr/src/sys/dev/ath -I/usr/src/sys/contrib/ngatm -I/usr/src/sys/dev/twa -I/usr/src/sys/dev/em -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=8000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -mno-align-long-strings -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -mno-mmx -mno-3dnow -mno-sse -mno-sse2 -ffreestanding -Werror /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_event.c /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_event.c:408: warning: no previous prototype for 'knote_fork' *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. I have rebuilt this machine many times over the past couple years, and always no problems, till now. If anyone has any ideas on how to resolve this it would be most appreciated.. --- Howard Leadmon - howard@leadmon.net http://www.leadmon.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 13 08:37:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D92561065694 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 08:37:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f223.google.com (mail-bw0-f223.google.com [209.85.218.223]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F2338FC1D for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 08:37:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz23 with SMTP id 23so2484205bwz.43 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 01:37:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=xP0LdvYqcmRsYwZXkF/vN3TdU0G7U/vOgQ4PY8xLgFE=; b=verQX7kkUboScnaaId1YEhz+2G2buqY4UyG0xRg/wwAxi0Iy+ZVmkJulrrvf+qAR21 Z2BubsjN+qBUEdHFSSwGlvDB6gM9U8FcPJ91A1KAnPCZduR9p8xiapTvzX8bSye338l7 CUfYi2DR+aYBlc2TESxzzj6nPWsXM0GTZFqjQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=nVReOZ6ZFRRk53w+S1V/9aDaS6tvz8+Wr664u6EMyU/DxpMcw53lEMM0nb7qoVPUeA awA4KCdVTXIJlggfuO44xycK3MkJJijWt8rsaMfv3opEX6iUs3Se9l77HHFDKeEPVOe/ uToQIqm3tVkPtX6nAuAnjP4GCpUZKNw0ZkRj0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.190.20 with SMTP id v20mr431003hbh.208.1255423034844; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 01:37:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20091013002919.GB12688@torus.slightlystrange.org> References: <20091012211339.GA12688@torus.slightlystrange.org> <4AD3A8EE.8020708@otenet.gr> <20091013002919.GB12688@torus.slightlystrange.org> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 09:37:14 +0100 Message-ID: From: krad To: Daniel Bye , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: gmirror, gjournal and glabel - which order? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 08:37:17 -0000 2009/10/13 Daniel Bye > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 01:08:46AM +0300, Manolis Kiagias wrote: > > Daniel Bye wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > I'm having a hard time trying to work out which order I should set up > > > gmirror, glabel and gjournal on a new system. I want to journal my > > > /home partition, label all the partitions for ease of reference, and > > > use gmirror to save me in the event a disk goes bad. I am struggling > > > to fit the pieces together conceptually in my mind. I understand the > > > processes involved in setting each part separately - my problem is in > > > trying to build this up in the right order so that it all makes sense. > > > > > > So far, I have labelled the primary drive and set up the journal. I > have > > > edited fstab to reflect the labels and journalled file system on /home. > > > If I now build a mirror, don't I need to alter fstab to mount that and > > > not the stuff in /dev/label? In which case, I guess I need to build the > > > mirror first, and then set up labels and journals? > > > > > > I'm going round and round in circles here and none of the stuff I've > > > read on the web enlightens me... :-/ > > > > > > Any insights or suggestions would be taken as a great kindness! > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > When not mirroring, I first create the journals and then label the > > resulting adxxxx.journal devices > > In case you are doing a gmirror device, you would not really need the > > separate label step - the gm device name won't change and gmirror is not > > affected if the device names of the individual disks change (the disks > > are marked as part of a mirror and scanned at startup). > > When you are creating the composite gmirror device you are effectively > > labeling it anyway i.e. gmirror label gm0... > > Now if you follow the usual tutorials found in the web you would be > > using gm0 / gm1 but you actually name it any way you wish. > > If you really need to label the separate gmirrored partitions, do it > > after setting up the mirror. > > > > Concerning the order of journals and mirroring, I create the journals > > first, then mirror the result. This has always worked fine for me. > > Thanks much, Manoli. After posting, I came to more or less the same > conclusion, but it's good to get confirmation from someone who clearly > knows more about this stuff than I do! > > I'd still be interested to hear what others think/do. > > As ever, thanks for your time. > > Dan > > -- > Daniel Bye > _ > ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) > - against HTML, vCards and X > - proprietary attachments in e-mail / \ > I've always gmirrored 1st, then created the gjournal then newfs the journal device with the -L and -J flags to label it. I'm not sure if this is correct but ufs2 has hooks into gjournal, and if the journal class inst directly below the ufs layer these hooks might not work correctly. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 13 09:50:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15F401065672 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 09:50:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5AB18FC16 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 09:50:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1Mxe16-0001kO-7U for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 11:50:04 +0200 Received: from mud.stack.nl ([131.155.141.70]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 11:50:04 +0200 Received: from pino+gmane_os_freebsd_questions by mud.stack.nl with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 11:50:04 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Martijn van Buul Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 08:02:19 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology Lines: 29 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: mud.stack.nl X-Favourite-Drink: Alcoholic, yet fluid User-Agent: slrn/0.9.9p1 (FreeBSD) Sender: news Subject: Relocating ~/.xsession-errors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Martijn van Buul List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 09:50:14 -0000 Hi, I've recently installed FreeBSD 8.0RC1 on my Acer Aspire One netbook, and so far things are working out OK. I'm using the SSD model, and since these netbooks have a notoriously slow SSD write speed, I'm trying to get rid of as much writes as possible. Furthermore, reducing writes might make it live longer. One of the remaining issues is ~/.xsession-errors. I'm using GNOME, and many GNOME applications have the nasty habit of spamming .xsession-errors with a lot of debug assertions (which apparently aren't lethal, since noone ever bothered to fix them..), and I know from experience that this file can see a lot of activity. I'd like to relocate this file to a tmpfs ramdisk, if possible. It would be perfect if I could make it log through syslog, since that would allow me to use newsyslog for logrotation (and thus keep the size of the log at bay), but I suspect this is asking too much. In the past, on Fedora Core and older versions of Ubuntu, I used a dirty trick I picked up on a webforum: Have ~/.xsession-errors be owned by root:wheel, and mark it as system immutable. That caused the .xsession-errors to be moved to /tmp, which is exactly where I want it to be, but that doesn't seem to work anymore. Instead, it's writing the error log to ~/.xsession-errors.XXXX, with XXXX a random string. Does anyone know an alternate way to move this logfile, or if everything else fails how to silence it? -- Martijn van Buul - pino@dohd.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 13 10:02:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72AEB106568F for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:02:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DC478FC19 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:02:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1MxeCa-0007mM-Db for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:01:56 +0200 Received: from mud.stack.nl ([131.155.141.70]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:01:56 +0200 Received: from pino+gmane_os_freebsd_questions by mud.stack.nl with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:01:56 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Martijn van Buul Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:01:28 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: mud.stack.nl X-Favourite-Drink: Alcoholic, yet fluid User-Agent: slrn/0.9.9p1 (FreeBSD) Sender: news Subject: Re: Relocating ~/.xsession-errors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Martijn van Buul List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:02:10 -0000 * Martijn van Buul: > Does anyone know an alternate way to move this logfile, or if everything > else fails how to silence it? > I forgot to mention that I'm using gdm, but I'm not opposed to changing that. -- Martijn van Buul - pino@dohd.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 13 10:56:12 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62290106566B for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:56:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from dd12710.kasserver.com (dd12710.kasserver.com [85.13.134.233]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 121048FC15 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:56:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from current.Sisis.de (cazador.sisis.de [193.31.11.193]) by dd12710.kasserver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1E42183CBD35; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:56:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from guru@localhost) by current.Sisis.de (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n9DAuAue003176; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:56:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: current.Sisis.de: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:56:10 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20091013105610.GA3106@current.Sisis.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT (i386) Cc: Subject: error while printing from Java to CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:56:12 -0000 Hello, Some Java applications, like openproj for example, are unable to print to the CUPS printing system; this seems to be a know problem in Java and if you do a search in Don Google you will information and workarounds, like this, for example: http://www.magicdraw.com/main.php?ts=faq&cmd_show=1&menu=faq Diagram printing is not working on Linux OS The problem is related with the Linux cups package update. This problem is Sun Java bug and description of this problem is published in the Java Bug Database: http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6633656. To solve diagram printing problem we would suggest to use 1.6.0_10 JVM or later, because this issue is solved in these java versions. If you can not use the 1.6.0_10 JVM or later, other possible solution would be the following: 1.Open the file /etc/cups/printers.conf 2.Before each line with the text , add the following line: Options orientation-requested 3 The referenced http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6633656 explain all the details of the bug... But: I've tried to insert the proposed change in /usr/local/etc/cups/printers.conf but it does not help. This is with cups-base-1.3.9_3 in a 8-CURRENT. As well it says that there is a fix in Java in 1.6.0_10 or later... I have dk-1.6.0.3p4_10 and it seems no to be fixed :-( Any ideas? matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ Vote NO to EU The Lisbon Treaty: http://www.no-means-no.eu From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 13 11:13:58 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 841371065679 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 11:13:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Received: from unsane.co.uk (unsane-pt.tunnel.tserv5.lon1.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f08:110::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 109C38FC14 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 11:13:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vhoffman.lon.namesco.net (150.117-84-212.staticip.namesco.net [212.84.117.150]) (authenticated bits=0) by unsane.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9DBGvX5031692 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:17:00 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Message-ID: <4AD460F1.7020405@unsane.co.uk> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:13:53 +0100 From: Vincent Hoffman User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: krad References: <20091012211339.GA12688@torus.slightlystrange.org> <4AD3A8EE.8020708@otenet.gr> <20091013002919.GB12688@torus.slightlystrange.org> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Daniel Bye , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gmirror, gjournal and glabel - which order? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 11:13:58 -0000 krad wrote: > 2009/10/13 Daniel Bye > > >> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 01:08:46AM +0300, Manolis Kiagias wrote: >> >>> Daniel Bye wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I'm having a hard time trying to work out which order I should set up >>>> gmirror, glabel and gjournal on a new system. I want to journal my >>>> /home partition, label all the partitions for ease of reference, and >>>> use gmirror to save me in the event a disk goes bad. I am struggling >>>> to fit the pieces together conceptually in my mind. I understand the >>>> processes involved in setting each part separately - my problem is in >>>> trying to build this up in the right order so that it all makes sense. >>>> >>>> So far, I have labelled the primary drive and set up the journal. I >>>> >> have >> >>>> edited fstab to reflect the labels and journalled file system on /home. >>>> If I now build a mirror, don't I need to alter fstab to mount that and >>>> not the stuff in /dev/label? In which case, I guess I need to build the >>>> mirror first, and then set up labels and journals? >>>> >>>> I'm going round and round in circles here and none of the stuff I've >>>> read on the web enlightens me... :-/ >>>> >>>> Any insights or suggestions would be taken as a great kindness! >>>> >>>> Dan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> When not mirroring, I first create the journals and then label the >>> resulting adxxxx.journal devices >>> In case you are doing a gmirror device, you would not really need the >>> separate label step - the gm device name won't change and gmirror is not >>> affected if the device names of the individual disks change (the disks >>> are marked as part of a mirror and scanned at startup). >>> When you are creating the composite gmirror device you are effectively >>> labeling it anyway i.e. gmirror label gm0... >>> Now if you follow the usual tutorials found in the web you would be >>> using gm0 / gm1 but you actually name it any way you wish. >>> If you really need to label the separate gmirrored partitions, do it >>> after setting up the mirror. >>> >>> Concerning the order of journals and mirroring, I create the journals >>> first, then mirror the result. This has always worked fine for me. >>> >> Thanks much, Manoli. After posting, I came to more or less the same >> conclusion, but it's good to get confirmation from someone who clearly >> knows more about this stuff than I do! >> >> I'd still be interested to hear what others think/do. >> >> As ever, thanks for your time. >> >> Dan >> >> -- >> Daniel Bye >> _ >> ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) >> - against HTML, vCards and X >> - proprietary attachments in e-mail / \ >> >> > > > I've always gmirrored 1st, then created the gjournal then newfs the journal > device with the -L and -J flags to label it. I'm not sure if this is correct > but ufs2 has hooks into gjournal, and if the journal class inst directly > below the ufs layer these hooks might not work correctly. > I've always done it this way too (mirror then journal,) both for the reason given and because of the following from the gjournal(8) manpage: When gjournal is configured on top of gmirror(8) or graid3(8) providers, it also keeps them in a consistent state, thus automatic synchronization on power failure or system crash may be disabled on those providers. Vince > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 13 12:31:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FB131065672 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:31:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bjmccann@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f214.google.com (mail-gx0-f214.google.com [209.85.217.214]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29C688FC15 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:31:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk6 with SMTP id 6so9203341gxk.13 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 05:31:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=oKvlWL00iHhdHqMQvGWcR7rwGB4Ey4s+prt8z1QwrnU=; b=WHwijFGT+FWhr3Gf/dJpkmK+3qOqpqpo8+M+bgYSL+2p+P5SBwx6WVLR0CBpGgLwGP nxpMPILxQ60J/7MLfQGv1rdO9cZp1cej4J39EqdUi337+8FPLCPDHBkP4g1rG5R/vezw x3d/8nshV1YRelsYdh9DjigM0AvhyjFhziaAc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=vLDlOFvS2h4fZBzmQPFJHLEtCAQCbsqO3OUvJm4BdgWCpxzzoux6qVOUAjecMVImPV 7Pc5Imj9LAj9YVSlOpgXgd4kdYq34r//lVIHfqxEx2KEP5CmWOu0HZ/WEWpCk3GTSd8Y seQ2Y8rQF+BjL/gpn/Aqs8BqD76ZM9REBSDBw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.173.5 with SMTP id v5mr12306689ybe.345.1255437067550; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 05:31:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 08:31:07 -0400 Message-ID: <2b5f066d0910130531w7a7bf6aft81fd3782b7754e27@mail.gmail.com> From: Brian McCann To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Broadcom bce interface problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:31:08 -0000 I'm having problems with the bce interface on a FreeBSD 7.2 install, using an IBM BladeCenter HS21 machine. The machine uses the NetXtreme II card. The really strange thing here is, the switch shows a link, but the card shows no carrier in the setup. It started working for a few seconds at one point when I reset the switch (at least, I think that's what I did), and it detected 1000BaseSX as the media and showed a status of active, but promptly went away. If I try setting the media type manually, that doesn't appear to work. Has anyone seen this or have any ideas? Thanks! --Brian -- _-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_ Brian McCann "I don't have to take this abuse from you -- I've got hundreds of people waiting to abuse me." -- Bill Murray, "Ghostbusters" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 13 12:40:49 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4AC91065672 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:40:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from smtp.ibctech.ca (v6.ibctech.ca [IPv6:2607:f118::b6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4C7028FC18 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:40:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 42906 invoked by uid 89); 13 Oct 2009 12:41:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?IPv6:2607:f118::5?) (steve@ibctech.ca@2607:f118::5) by 2607:f118::b6 with ESMTPA; 13 Oct 2009 12:41:06 -0000 Message-ID: <4AD47563.8050206@ibctech.ca> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 08:41:07 -0400 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian McCann References: <2b5f066d0910130531w7a7bf6aft81fd3782b7754e27@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <2b5f066d0910130531w7a7bf6aft81fd3782b7754e27@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Broadcom bce interface problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:40:49 -0000 Brian McCann wrote: > I'm having problems with the bce interface on a FreeBSD 7.2 install, using > an IBM BladeCenter HS21 machine. The machine uses the NetXtreme II card. > The really strange thing here is, the switch shows a link, but the card > shows no carrier in the setup. It started working for a few seconds at one > point when I reset the switch (at least, I think that's what I did), and it > detected 1000BaseSX as the media and showed a status of active, but promptly > went away. If I try setting the media type manually, that doesn't appear to > work. > Has anyone seen this or have any ideas? Try forcing the interface to 'up': # ifconfig bce0 up If that works, add it to the /etc/rc.conf: # echo 'ifconfig_bce0="up"' >> /etc/rc.conf Steve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 13 12:40:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E0521065670 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:40:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nb@ravenbrook.com) Received: from raven.ravenbrook.com (raven.ravenbrook.com [193.164.110.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA49F8FC13 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:40:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from thrush.ravenbrook.com (thrush.ravenbrook.com [193.164.110.145]) by raven.ravenbrook.com (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9DCMjd5060724 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:22:45 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nb@ravenbrook.com) Received: from thrush.ravenbrook.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thrush.ravenbrook.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id n9DCMjXN059890; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:22:45 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nb@thrush.ravenbrook.com) From: Nick Barnes To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:22:45 +0100 Message-ID: <59889.1255436565@thrush.ravenbrook.com> Sender: nb@ravenbrook.com X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (raven.ravenbrook.com [193.164.110.8]); Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:22:45 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94.1/9883/Tue Oct 13 11:43:35 2009 on raven.ravenbrook.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on raven.ravenbrook.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 Cc: Ravenbrook SysAdmins Subject: how does gmirror start up? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:40:52 -0000 I am running a 6.3 system and have had various problems with disk reliability on a key filesystem, probably down to SCSI hardware or drivers. I'm intending to replace that SCSI disk with a pair of SATA disks ad6/7, using gmirror as gm0 (while keeping ad4 as our boot disk). I have set up the mirror and right now I'm part-way through using rsync to transfer the data. But I have a question concerning the underlying operation of GEOM, which is troubling me. I have read the various man pages and handbook pages relating to GEOM and gmirror, but they don't seem to answer this. When I reboot the system, gmirror comes up (because of the line in /boot/loader.conf) and gm0 appears, backed by ad6/7. Where is this configuration information stored? That is, how does the system know to make gm0, with ad6/7 as the backing store. I would expect there to be a file somewhere in /etc with this config information, but I don't see it in the documentation. From reading gmirror(8), I understand that there is a label sector at the ends of ad6 and ad7, identifying them as parts of gm0. But that config information is back-to-front: at boot time the system knows from /etc/fstab that it needs gm0; how does it find the underlying disks? Does the system search the ends of all physically-attached disks, looking for GEOM labels, and automatically make any corresponding GEOM devices? Surely not (that would mean, for instance, that if I took one of these disks out of this machine and put it into another FreeBSD system then that machine would automatically set up gm0 with this disk). Possibly I'm just being dense. Can someone enlighten me? Nick Barnes Ravenbrook Limited From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 13 13:02:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE11B106566B for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:02:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (gate6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37DA98FC19 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:02:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9DD2JUk097893; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:02:20 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk n9DD2JUk097893 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=200708; t=1255438940; bh=Wbo7MciO9rRvRxoqOLdUoZ3nD1Q4Ya1A/zzBzZ/igJI=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4AD47A55.2060707@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20T ue,=2013=20Oct=202009=2014:02:13=20+0100|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|Organization:=20Infracaninophi le|User-Agent:=20Thunderbird=202.0.0.23=20(X11/20090823)|MIME-Vers ion:=201.0|To:=20Nick=20Barnes=20|CC:=20freebsd -questions@freebsd.org,=20=0D=0A=20Ravenbrook=20SysAdmins=20|Subject:=20Re:=20how=20does=20gmirror=20start =20up?|References:=20<59889.1255436565@thrush.ravenbrook.com>|In-R eply-To:=20<59889.1255436565@thrush.ravenbrook.com>|X-Enigmail-Ver sion:=200.95.6|Content-Type:=20multipart/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp- sha256=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"application/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A= 20boundary=3D"------------enigF0F0AB4AE5452F29D70E2002"; b=s2xfMhr+HMZ6z9jAAO9+k+U7d9Fx3DR6Hx2Z4CbEzI/16LMSfW2gk0e0pUSw8Nb/8 +cSQZ4Fl2AeWuXyydxWfkItTRyDOCJr8hkT8nYFd2GlO922kZURfYuz1l+HXTd9D+X OQPJSjU9IJOYalLbL/fi6V54Aos1NRj/w+JsOl3M= X-Authentication-Warning: happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host localhost [IPv6:::1] claimed to be happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Message-ID: <4AD47A55.2060707@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:02:13 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090823) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nick Barnes References: <59889.1255436565@thrush.ravenbrook.com> In-Reply-To: <59889.1255436565@thrush.ravenbrook.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigF0F0AB4AE5452F29D70E2002" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.2 at happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Ravenbrook SysAdmins Subject: Re: how does gmirror start up? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:02:26 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigF0F0AB4AE5452F29D70E2002 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nick Barnes wrote: > I am running a 6.3 system and have had various problems with disk > reliability on a key filesystem, probably down to SCSI hardware or > drivers. I'm intending to replace that SCSI disk with a pair of SATA > disks ad6/7, using gmirror as gm0 (while keeping ad4 as our boot > disk). I have set up the mirror and right now I'm part-way through > using rsync to transfer the data. But I have a question concerning > the underlying operation of GEOM, which is troubling me. I have read > the various man pages and handbook pages relating to GEOM and gmirror, > but they don't seem to answer this. >=20 > When I reboot the system, gmirror comes up (because of the line in > /boot/loader.conf) and gm0 appears, backed by ad6/7. Where is this > configuration information stored? That is, how does the system know > to make gm0, with ad6/7 as the backing store. >=20 > I would expect there to be a file somewhere in /etc with this config > information, but I don't see it in the documentation. From reading > gmirror(8), I understand that there is a label sector at the ends of > ad6 and ad7, identifying them as parts of gm0. But that config > information is back-to-front: at boot time the system knows from > /etc/fstab that it needs gm0; how does it find the underlying disks? >=20 > Does the system search the ends of all physically-attached disks, > looking for GEOM labels, and automatically make any corresponding GEOM > devices? Surely not (that would mean, for instance, that if I took > one of these disks out of this machine and put it into another FreeBSD > system then that machine would automatically set up gm0 with this > disk). >=20 > Possibly I'm just being dense. Can someone enlighten me? The geom configuration is stored on the disks in question -- I believe it= uses the last cylinder of the drive, but I could be wrong about the detai= ls. On startup, if the appropriate geom modules are loaded into the kernel, geom will "taste" the disks discovered by enumerating the contents of all= =20 ATA, SCSI, USB, etc. busses (ie. read any geom metadata) to see if they a= re part of a RAID array of some type. The RAID will be automatically recrea= ted, and appears to the system as a new device. If there are appropriate entr= ies in /etc/fstab any file systems on it will be mounted. There's no data stored on the filesystem describing the RAID setup. Well= , unless you make a backup of it yourself by dumping the output of 'gmirror= status' somewhere. This means that you can move the disks from one server to another and all= the RAIDs will survive. Actually, it's good enough that it can cope with you= shuffling the disks or installing them with completely different underlyi= ng device names. You would certainly have to avoid a clash of geom device n= ames when doing that -- the names are entirely arbitrary and 'gm0' is only the= de-facto=20 default because it was used in one of the most popular tutorials on the s= ubject.=20 If you think it necessary, you could include the host name in the geom la= bel or otherwise take action to make them globally unique across all your= systems. You can achieve a similar effect for plain disks by using glabel -- this = is a handy way of avoiding the foot-shooting potential of a USB thumb drive th= at maps as da0 on reboot, in place of the real system disk. 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:04:47 -0000 2009/10/13 Nick Barnes > I am running a 6.3 system and have had various problems with disk > reliability on a key filesystem, probably down to SCSI hardware or > drivers. I'm intending to replace that SCSI disk with a pair of SATA > disks ad6/7, using gmirror as gm0 (while keeping ad4 as our boot > disk). I have set up the mirror and right now I'm part-way through > using rsync to transfer the data. But I have a question concerning > the underlying operation of GEOM, which is troubling me. I have read > the various man pages and handbook pages relating to GEOM and gmirror, > but they don't seem to answer this. > > When I reboot the system, gmirror comes up (because of the line in > /boot/loader.conf) and gm0 appears, backed by ad6/7. Where is this > configuration information stored? That is, how does the system know > to make gm0, with ad6/7 as the backing store. > > I would expect there to be a file somewhere in /etc with this config > information, but I don't see it in the documentation. From reading > gmirror(8), I understand that there is a label sector at the ends of > ad6 and ad7, identifying them as parts of gm0. But that config > information is back-to-front: at boot time the system knows from > /etc/fstab that it needs gm0; how does it find the underlying disks? > > Does the system search the ends of all physically-attached disks, > looking for GEOM labels, and automatically make any corresponding GEOM > devices? Surely not (that would mean, for instance, that if I took > one of these disks out of this machine and put it into another FreeBSD > system then that machine would automatically set up gm0 with this > disk). > > Possibly I'm just being dense. Can someone enlighten me? > > Nick Barnes > Ravenbrook Limited > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > you are right there is a label at the end of the disk, and if you put the drives in another machine with another gmirror enabled box it would see the mirror. If you stack geom classes then the label it stored at the end of the container as if it were a disk. eg if you used gjournal on top of gmirror. Its a very common practise for hardware controllers as well. The dell perc controllers definitely have this labelling as you can import foreign configs into the cards nvram from disk From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 13 13:07:25 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 551441065670 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:07:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@googlemail.com) Received: from gv-out-0910.google.com (gv-out-0910.google.com [216.239.58.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D474D8FC1F for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:07:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id n29so3839gve.39 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 06:07:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=e53rOS1b9UhA3dFzfWEMJv//RsbDhZKyW1IIvlTmy4I=; b=estt6EvFARYjttcKK7hoCf9BO1zrewG9kA9XFCN/tpw3htvGMXSNKuLmJP9PxJYxaO ZD8nhsOZnp3ycr89Nh/EXn+/FF+aWw+iPyF6DWv5UxmkmoqReWE/CIhO39sS0g4alDzc IX/CBQYpav9qbPRjiSn4Eq6Xurg1Qbq26a/u8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=dUGKbt1Vys2V/fTRWnTVTKO0ZJxHJl/YDV9ecRRO7lW0/PA7UtwmZjEjTKaWZw6FU3 KonF/FDjtyJ+ydEGSGkh4cXecBsW4Nji9ZuM0FGS+cUba2TSfRNaUnJx3cHJhw6DLGCb jN5d0EcCTFfFB6vFRuKu5DE8KDLe8eqiaC4VA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.139.226 with SMTP id u34mr501749hbu.80.1255439243356; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 06:07:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4AD47A55.2060707@infracaninophile.co.uk> References: <59889.1255436565@thrush.ravenbrook.com> <4AD47A55.2060707@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:07:23 +0100 Message-ID: From: krad To: Matthew Seaman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Nick Barnes , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Ravenbrook SysAdmins Subject: Re: how does gmirror start up? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:07:25 -0000 2009/10/13 Matthew Seaman > Nick Barnes wrote: > >> I am running a 6.3 system and have had various problems with disk >> reliability on a key filesystem, probably down to SCSI hardware or >> drivers. I'm intending to replace that SCSI disk with a pair of SATA >> disks ad6/7, using gmirror as gm0 (while keeping ad4 as our boot >> disk). I have set up the mirror and right now I'm part-way through >> using rsync to transfer the data. But I have a question concerning >> the underlying operation of GEOM, which is troubling me. I have read >> the various man pages and handbook pages relating to GEOM and gmirror, >> but they don't seem to answer this. >> >> When I reboot the system, gmirror comes up (because of the line in >> /boot/loader.conf) and gm0 appears, backed by ad6/7. Where is this >> configuration information stored? That is, how does the system know >> to make gm0, with ad6/7 as the backing store. >> >> I would expect there to be a file somewhere in /etc with this config >> information, but I don't see it in the documentation. From reading >> gmirror(8), I understand that there is a label sector at the ends of >> ad6 and ad7, identifying them as parts of gm0. But that config >> information is back-to-front: at boot time the system knows from >> /etc/fstab that it needs gm0; how does it find the underlying disks? >> >> Does the system search the ends of all physically-attached disks, >> looking for GEOM labels, and automatically make any corresponding GEOM >> devices? Surely not (that would mean, for instance, that if I took >> one of these disks out of this machine and put it into another FreeBSD >> system then that machine would automatically set up gm0 with this >> disk). >> >> Possibly I'm just being dense. Can someone enlighten me? >> > > The geom configuration is stored on the disks in question -- I believe it > uses the last cylinder of the drive, but I could be wrong about the > details. > On startup, if the appropriate geom modules are loaded into the kernel, > geom will "taste" the disks discovered by enumerating the contents of all > ATA, SCSI, USB, etc. busses (ie. read any geom metadata) to see if they are > part of a RAID array of some type. The RAID will be automatically > recreated, > and appears to the system as a new device. If there are appropriate > entries in > /etc/fstab any file systems on it will be mounted. > > There's no data stored on the filesystem describing the RAID setup. Well, > unless you make a backup of it yourself by dumping the output of 'gmirror > status' > somewhere. > > This means that you can move the disks from one server to another and all > the > RAIDs will survive. Actually, it's good enough that it can cope with you > shuffling the disks or installing them with completely different underlying > device names. You would certainly have to avoid a clash of geom device > names > when doing that -- the names are entirely arbitrary and 'gm0' is only the > de-facto default because it was used in one of the most popular tutorials on > the subject. If you think it necessary, you could include the host name in > the geom label or otherwise take action to make them globally unique across > all your systems. > > You can achieve a similar effect for plain disks by using glabel -- this is > a > handy way of avoiding the foot-shooting potential of a USB thumb drive that > maps > as da0 on reboot, in place of the real system disk. > > Cheers, > > Matthew > > -- > Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard > Flat 3 > PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate > Kent, CT11 9PW > > Also worth mentioning zfs config is stored on disk as well in a similar manner albeit a bit more complicated. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 13 14:18:40 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37AFA1065692 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:18:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dino_vliet@yahoo.com) Received: from web51104.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web51104.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.38.146]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D14CF8FC17 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:18:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 80562 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Oct 2009 13:51:59 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1255441919; bh=Qqp9A9UaG1dK/VQxKJPXUhQF0otjhqcoziKxSgWzgF0=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=6SWJwWIDg0M+EUPPo9TXNU4JImLPVucQPxg1hzwej5hYNZ0idNvipyOwWFDugYvOO9WQCh1AOc2jA9Q/7j8KNsINVyGJK712B5HK9XzAI3teokNDzqOPTFAK2wsdz+jtf1lmlNFFUXVE7cTU7j8GTIbT+lyQG7SfLcjc5L8UrLg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=NyL074fwLl4EFLTC/p61BPFJOnTJKv0j+UGvu93xIHS2AiQo1vyS7kEyi00SMJghmoqHnU9vos1KCBSGPBhFNT6WDLtt4MRhcf93Age3CuLH4b4T12xZeqG5Ah6FbTDEumkUVpE5e8uRD7Ui9o6Cvm8nsaEDCIM9KlqnTzqowTY=; Message-ID: <815964.80537.qm@web51104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: eiX3tmYVM1lX2Sno.QoljSeosVF2oseZQXPsoB3CsLd9rbQ0s.kINN9L7SgxUbAIBHhUmGw7Ji5625cd4LNvsL8JSMsMLlOXjYzti05t0EHULZE2mL43QyQT00RIV4jaX3HVVhe6xDfe4R6RIeqKmYEpXK3v3gsRIADpuexvNNXEDgVLbgGHX4MQ2TiODqMKLgfoTqpLz4rekbL.3USYlG_ZGy0epV_TPCKD_HTeHVaKO7VychDh8sXvxRz6Pq1fySv2JDXsyh3SwCZJOQIV9uxOUulTtT_2nnereFk1s_3ReZrBg40TtlnI6kxWLujq_FZBi5d4PWknSDSBjwD0Du_bb95Hi1na7TG0HtBlGhzZByqN5W7JRuRv7w-- Received: from [167.202.201.4] by web51104.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 06:51:59 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/7.0.14 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.3 Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 06:51:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Dino Vliet To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: freebsd jail: web and database server config questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:18:40 -0000 Dear Freebsd people, =A0 To consolditae on resources I have configured a machine to run both a web a= nd database server (powering my database driven website).=20 =A0 Due to security concerns I'm contemplating on introducing a jailed environm= ent on this machine and want to know if this would be feasible. I have a fe= w questions for the freebsd community regarding this approach and hope some= one would give me some advice. =A0 Is it advisable/wise/okay/clever to run a webserver on my host system and a= database server on my jailed system? The webserver will need to connect to= the database system on startup and update the database based on client acc= ess. =A0 However, if a machine gets compromised, it would rather be the webserver, t= herefore running the webserver in the jailed environment seems better to me= . But how could that be done, if the webserver requires to connect through = tcp/ip to the database server running on the host system? I thought that a = key-feature of a jailed system is that it can't access resources outside th= e jail.=20 =A0 And how do I go around when I need to update my host system due to a securi= ty advisory. I heard the jailed environment will not be affected? So basica= lly that means I would need to create a new jail everytime I recompile (as = that's the way I'm using to stay current) =A0 Hope to hear from you, Brgds Dino=0A=0A=0A From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 13 15:35:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8983E106568B for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:35:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from caramba696@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f214.google.com (mail-gx0-f214.google.com [209.85.217.214]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 444C18FC23 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:35:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk6 with SMTP id 6so9384228gxk.13 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 08:35:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=N6olL85/fFJAQcNQ30vDCHOeYVBjSe7iMofN6qIX2Eo=; b=J5J5XOwSpjjN5g3pFxsSY3KNvALJvXbgd6bq5VbhWoa7melTBekjFTLCEuJfFbzHmS XJ3Y+ffULvjw0jopW3hxtxk4oZh9uurqaCIwCpgt/mmg33/BG1zaGVHI8Jii0M05I+Ul llUtJIJteN1mlfoSu7qsz9AUPePAZuOlNAsYk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=Utjh6BDx74gWgCY8oVRbQPt14mkgL3nm/UY9/rzxyQtu2lBQFwkmTxIcFQIP9imKLy 7I6WNzi6NCE5Hy89Snp5jzKR0QxTLa3osscc3NDWuiTv+3CbbAdcV4y8Oate5IytfdJ/ JnNb0D9IrKyD5XmKDgXqQLIkpEwepCy432a+I= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.246.1 with SMTP id t1mr554965agh.96.1255446796448; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 08:13:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:13:16 +0200 Message-ID: <2345d18f0910130813j6a2bbde0sec59647f44d43585@mail.gmail.com> From: Jacques Henry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: NTP Client synchronization with a Windows 2003/2008 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:35:01 -0000 Hello, I am using a System based on FreeBSD 6.3. On this System an automatically generated ntpd.conf file is generated in order to synchronize the System clock with a NTP Server. I want to use a Windows 2003 or 2008 Server to act as the NTP Server. On the Windows System the NTP Server (Windows Time Service) is *correctly* running. The thing is that even if there are NTP traffic between the client and the Server (NTP Client and Server IP packet), My FreeBSD is not synchronizing at all: freebsd-client>ntpq -p 127.0.0.1 remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter ======================================================= NTP_server 192.168.10.6 2 u 103 1024 1 1.037 -587367 0.002 As you can see the offset is huge and never decreases as in a normal way... My ntpd.conf file looks like: ----------- # File is automatically generated # Do not edit tinker panic 1 tinker step 1 # ntp servers list server 172.30.1.5 # files informations driftfile /etc/ntp.drift # restriction informations restrict default ignore # do not allow request by default restrict 127.0.0.1 # allow localhost for debugging restrict 172.30.1.5 nomodify ------------ my ntp.drift file ------------ -101.101 ------------ I know that maybe the Microsoft NTP/SNTP implementation is not RFC-compliant, but is there a way to configure my NTP client in a more "compatible" (less strict) way to adjust its time with a Windows Server? Thanks From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 13 15:37:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 034C91065694 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:37:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f197.google.com (mail-yw0-f197.google.com [209.85.211.197]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B09138FC0A for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:37:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywh35 with SMTP id 35so33202762ywh.7 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 08:37:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=F1nQ+xVQxCNDDiJfUXnp6pnAjv3Vt6HDUeZrBHEzRhI=; b=dhTNPaGj5lH+cfsck6q4hUycF8+IC7BYsaFUwKNZ8K/HxB/YUqJ2ztheZ4kAVYQxji 7lyr0hceK3UvtBnIIM2D1yf5qz7K5dBIkm63vdK1SsqjFE6ygOgDTowJ4gwmmebEw8Fu 2pTDBoF3ztaWAT3IIN1gL/m/PHUGCie/wh/8M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=IcrdSgqMkzzdz6hDwH6H2qLwQ1W0jgDKpejJ5A304pSqNoWlQWuuiOp5+AEmBOwLWq yL3hkT0LqoVIaI05PtGHuowOfcBvmnfakRgka/rfZnzlFyNMA/0ruJ9XnMbdfzWgu1XF TTGndYgk1bIspV6EtCHIdIe/pcVGb3/kfDOtM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.179.91 with SMTP id c27mr508530hbg.51.1255448250240; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 08:37:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <815964.80537.qm@web51104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <815964.80537.qm@web51104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:37:30 +0100 Message-ID: From: krad To: Dino Vliet Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd jail: web and database server config questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:37:32 -0000 2009/10/13 Dino Vliet > > Dear Freebsd people, > > To consolditae on resources I have configured a machine to run both a web > and database server (powering my database driven website). > > Due to security concerns I'm contemplating on introducing a jailed > environment on this machine and want to know if this would be feasible. I > have a few questions for the freebsd community regarding this approach and > hope someone would give me some advice. > > Is it advisable/wise/okay/clever to run a webserver on my host system and a > database server on my jailed system? The webserver will need to connect to > the database system on startup and update the database based on client > access. > > However, if a machine gets compromised, it would rather be the webserver, > therefore running the webserver in the jailed environment seems better to > me. But how could that be done, if the webserver requires to connect through > tcp/ip to the database server running on the host system? I thought that a > key-feature of a jailed system is that it can't access resources outside the > jail. > > And how do I go around when I need to update my host system due to a > security advisory. I heard the jailed environment will not be affected? So > basically that means I would need to create a new jail everytime I recompile > (as that's the way I'm using to stay current) > > Hope to hear from you, > Brgds > Dino > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > ok jail updates are fairly easy to get around. The way I have dont it for years is to nullfs the host systems /usr into the jail(s) as ro. I also had a copy of /lib /bin /libexec and /sbin under /usr/jailbins. The said dirs in the jails were then sym links to the relevent dir in jailbins eg $ ls -ltr ; pwd drwxr-xr-x 20 root wheel 107 Jun 25 2008 etc drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 46 Sep 23 10:21 bin drwxr-xr-x 3 root wheel 106 Sep 23 10:21 lib drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 139 Sep 23 10:22 sbin drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 6 Sep 23 10:23 libexec /usr/jailbins $ ls -ltr /jails/clamav/root/ | grep "\->" lrwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 11 Apr 1 2006 sys -> usr/src/sys lrwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 18 Apr 1 2006 sbin -> /usr/jailbins/sbin lrwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 21 Apr 1 2006 libexec -> /usr/jailbins/libexec lrwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 17 Apr 1 2006 lib -> /usr/jailbins/lib lrwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 17 Apr 1 2006 bin -> /usr/jailbins/bin from fstab /usr /jails/clamav/root/usr nullfs ro 2 0 /jails/clamav/usr.etc /jails/clamav/root/usr/local/etc nullfs ro 2 0 the 2nd line means each jail can have its own dedicated local rc, but it cant be modified from within the jail I then stuck these lines in rc.local on the host system to keep the jailbins update /usr/local/bin/rsync -aH /bin/ /usr/jailbins/bin/ /usr/local/bin/rsync -aH /sbin/ /usr/jailbins/sbin/ /usr/local/bin/rsync -aH /lib/ /usr/jailbins/lib/ /usr/local/bin/rsync -aH /libexec/ /usr/jailbins/libexec/ now when i do a makeworld on the host system the jails inherit everything. You might not always want to do this, but i never had any serious issues. Sticking mysql and apache in jails is fairly straight forward after that, just get them to communicate over ip and make sure you wrap the db internally, and with tcpwrappers and pf/ipf/ipfw You could also look at mod_jail for apache. It looks like it lets you run apache whithout the hassle of setting up a full jailed environment. I havent used it myself though but would be interested to see how others have faired with it. There are also good tools like ezjail with will automate a lot of the jail process for you. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 13 15:38:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3A22106566B for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:38:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from apseudoutopia@gmail.com) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57F9F8FC08 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:38:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so5139eyd.9 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 08:38:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=L1MmjBNzQGdkKeSthfm+uFMlXnhHKCdtZqw+ayfzyyE=; b=TWmhlb9onfv4F/lY2BetNsbTDa3XkPDfpK9l19WKR9u+ipzNmZJQz9ayrxc/IisJbO QtLV/TB8/tLYMK9033cxa0lGZOssH+tsQmXl4cQnSP2opU0ukjFVprmKvg8xI/sEpIk/ ZMAqzO6TFpIlnvneKQ75sQ4f46MAe95zV0RbQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=WEYlldhZVY29TqPk2zyh1KmS1SHZfLmizKZV32QOE3AWrFPn6o888c/xDr1azkgUKI cZn0OHkGR9QdTg6XVhwWCyJnEcR9H7KZICj+Okkh6p98I/Ea4al5IVKT9Ai592Mar/54 qBEhewDpiRzNppRbu5H+XwPSTuzFuxZyexsGM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.89.11 with SMTP id b11mr2557248wef.171.1255448285311; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 08:38:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <815964.80537.qm@web51104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <815964.80537.qm@web51104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> From: APseudoUtopia Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 11:37:45 -0400 Message-ID: <27ade5280910130837t29e9e6e9ibc0e32ffbee0eef3@mail.gmail.com> To: Dino Vliet Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd jail: web and database server config questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:38:06 -0000 On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Dino Vliet wrote: > > Dear Freebsd people, > > To consolditae on resources I have configured a machine to run both a web= and database server (powering my database driven website). > > Due to security concerns I'm contemplating on introducing a jailed enviro= nment on this machine and want to know if this would be feasible. I have a = few questions for the freebsd community regarding this approach and hope so= meone would give me some advice. > > Is it advisable/wise/okay/clever to run a webserver on my host system and= a database server on my jailed system? The webserver will need to connect = to the database system on startup and update the database based on client a= ccess. I would recommend either doing it the other way around (webserver inside the jail) or have both web and db inside separate jails. > > However, if a machine gets compromised, it would rather be the webserver,= therefore running the webserver in the jailed environment seems better to = me. But how could that be done, if the webserver requires to connect throug= h tcp/ip to the database server running on the host system? I thought that = a key-feature of a jailed system is that it can't access resources outside = the jail. > It *may* be possible to set your database software to listen on a unix socket inside the jail dir on the host. For example, if your webserver jail is in /usr/jails/httpd/ on the host, you may be able to have your database listen on a unix socket in, say, /usr/jails/httpd/tmp/. Inside the jail, you can point your web app to use the socket inside /tmp/. I'm not sure if this is possible as I never actually implemented it with my setup, but you can try. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 13 15:38:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F6B2106566B for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:38:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Alexei.Volkov@softlynx.ru) Received: from softlynx.ru (softlynx.ru [95.66.187.155]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C6628FC1F for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:38:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.14] (unknown [95.66.135.47]) by softlynx.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CF8A19547C for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:27:42 +0400 (MSD) Message-ID: <4AD49C62.3020405@softlynx.ru> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:27:30 +0400 From: Volkov Alexei User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Automatic dual kernel cd boot amd64/i386 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:38:56 -0000 Hello. Is it possible to get bootable cd with auto selectable amd64/i386 boot? For instance , i have a bootable cd with two kernels: * first is located in /boot/kernel.amd64 * second in /boot/kernel.i386 loader.conf has line /kernel=kernel.amd64/ When it boots on amd64 incompatible hardware it start loading the kernel and returns to the loader prompt showing error "Long mode not supported" or something like that. Is it possible to configure loader.conf or any other place to get automatically started with second kernel.i386 from that point instead of waiting for user interaction? WBR, Alexei Volkov. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 13 15:44:49 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66ECC106568D for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:44:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f196.google.com (mail-qy0-f196.google.com [209.85.221.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C6098FC21 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:44:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk34 with SMTP id 34so8251010qyk.14 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 08:44:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=DyqWajtON+IIuOTKuQ91VHuEUW/VbaAhN12PfraWc18=; b=hKLT9jrqQGSqsWROQxBRRRZtFIyqSKQ4v4LC07NG1gSyTVEHvvyVlYXBKXCF3HCaJ4 q/ByG5ey5kJ9dl46vrWC4MK9Oq5bXFRrMkA71jpYNS3E8pfYCHlBaWd//DwRwLVinj9g fI1w7a8KfO+oeokh3kUVGuMvoQxZAU554ns0U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=F94oPXxFpT+gU/guLUFoenxHV7iFr+ISimmFJSEcMpgev4oW86zv0emspE8SPNqzdh LW3E5CU6trpVkKXDD7tcvNUXmHcHxz3Bh/Km+/bV3I+4wk60Z2ICPHByGi8rr7ssTz7l fnDP8ZNZzslMWpZUNFoVmITfhqeguc+8XL/NE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.168.204 with SMTP id l12mr488382hbe.36.1255448687497; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 08:44:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <27ade5280910130837t29e9e6e9ibc0e32ffbee0eef3@mail.gmail.com> References: <815964.80537.qm@web51104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <27ade5280910130837t29e9e6e9ibc0e32ffbee0eef3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:44:47 +0100 Message-ID: From: krad To: APseudoUtopia Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Dino Vliet , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd jail: web and database server config questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:44:49 -0000 2009/10/13 APseudoUtopia > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Dino Vliet wrote: > > > > Dear Freebsd people, > > > > To consolditae on resources I have configured a machine to run both a web > and database server (powering my database driven website). > > > > Due to security concerns I'm contemplating on introducing a jailed > environment on this machine and want to know if this would be feasible. I > have a few questions for the freebsd community regarding this approach and > hope someone would give me some advice. > > > > Is it advisable/wise/okay/clever to run a webserver on my host system and > a database server on my jailed system? The webserver will need to connect to > the database system on startup and update the database based on client > access. > > I would recommend either doing it the other way around (webserver > inside the jail) or have both web and db inside separate jails. > > > > > However, if a machine gets compromised, it would rather be the webserver, > therefore running the webserver in the jailed environment seems better to > me. But how could that be done, if the webserver requires to connect through > tcp/ip to the database server running on the host system? I thought that a > key-feature of a jailed system is that it can't access resources outside the > jail. > > > > It *may* be possible to set your database software to listen on a unix > socket inside the jail dir on the host. For example, if your webserver > jail is in /usr/jails/httpd/ on the host, you may be able to have your > database listen on a unix socket in, say, /usr/jails/httpd/tmp/. > Inside the jail, you can point your web app to use the socket inside > /tmp/. I'm not sure if this is possible as I never actually > implemented it with my setup, but you can try. > you can do this but only if the the db is running on the host system. What you are doing then is open a big whole in the security of the system that will potentially let someone attack the host os via apache->mysql. What i have done on some systems is jail the db and apache in separate jails. and have a shared nullfs writable fs between them. Generally I found it better to make the connection go over ip and heavily wrap it. The added advantage of doing it over ip is that it keeps things separate, and it is far easier to migrate one of the jails onto another box in the future if you start running into capacity issues. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 13 15:54:57 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CB50106566B for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:54:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from caramba696@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f184.google.com (mail-yx0-f184.google.com [209.85.210.184]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1636F8FC08 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:54:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxe14 with SMTP id 14so21280740yxe.7 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 08:54:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=p1QqJrKDcasI6nLyR2oe5FczyuTQvkilGOhtudXuI1w=; b=BZnDWo0KubyQEFTMl2ciEu3D4kZW8YU7tcYxEPT57NbVlRc77POKDWM6ssdbKWGRM4 Rtr74P+gSMEDylnpF1lZqBJfOGNpyTKmT7pVA1ry314U1zCtprNPfHL/yq10YyZB6b7C fvniCFVMWyVJ0ED+ci5tQFoDkzjjthtYEEwRs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=w1KHis1o9Is/yVt+dOs/Y1DofkKeHCgVLB9S9jtXiFlfBDcrOpqJan8sCyVbRuAXDf CQDyzNhTPRxNW7VhV1U7mmlsQA69yFLj23V6iVNVNOkarWZy6OanzpJqcoNF9cG9UTwQ GmcGdoxjK4TzggRCY9xsiHbJ6OJYlhmu/zrHE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.58.2 with SMTP id g2mr4422663aga.73.1255449296424; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 08:54:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2345d18f0910130813j6a2bbde0sec59647f44d43585@mail.gmail.com> References: <2345d18f0910130813j6a2bbde0sec59647f44d43585@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:54:56 +0200 Message-ID: <2345d18f0910130854l363f157eob42e3253c7dad202@mail.gmail.com> From: Jacques Henry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: NTP Client synchronization with a Windows 2003/2008 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:54:57 -0000 Hello, I am using a System based on FreeBSD 6.3. On this System an automatically generated ntpd.conf file is generated in order to synchronize the System clock with a NTP Server. I want to use a Windows 2003 or 2008 Server to act as the NTP Server. On the Windows System the NTP Server (Windows Time Service) is *correctly* running. The thing is that even if there are NTP traffic between the client and the Server (NTP Client and Server IP packet), My FreeBSD is not synchronizing at all: freebsd-client>ntpq -p 127.0.0.1 remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter ======================================================= NTP_server 192.168.10.6 2 u 103 1024 1 1.037 -587367 0.002 As you can see the offset is huge and never decreases as in a normal way... My ntpd.conf file looks like: ----------- # File is automatically generated # Do not edit tinker panic 1 tinker step 1 # ntp servers list server 172.30.1.5 # files informations driftfile /etc/ntp.drift # restriction informations restrict default ignore # do not allow request by default restrict 127.0.0.1 # allow localhost for debugging restrict 172.30.1.5 nomodify ------------ my ntp.drift file ------------ -101.101 ------------ I know that maybe the Microsoft NTP/SNTP implementation is not RFC-compliant, but is there a way to configure my NTP client in a more "compatible" (less strict) way to adjust its time with a Windows Server? Thanks From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 13 16:00:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 685911065693 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:00:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: from smtp106.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (smtp106.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.13.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0DB158FC20 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:00:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 49572 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2009 16:00:54 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Reply-To:Organization:X-Mailer:Face:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=G6Ga3T6dMO+8WripZT/JjgRCjFoXFk3/aBJz5KAybnmvaksdqXl7JvFO+FQnYtYCNGX2WRpZYEhygU20tDuHpTf7x3RLJlAQRB+AhhDeix4kZmTN49JKAx9NNerd1yX6hrSIOss4sxyQDUgLWlya4NprsUodtFzOjbAPQdhfRf0= ; Received: from c-67-189-183-172.hsd1.ny.comcast.net (gesbbb@67.189.183.172 with login) by smtp106.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2009 09:00:54 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: yeAAMgKswBATCul4lSbCWspvTA-- X-YMail-OSG: fTv36hIVM1nkGpHQn.CHa_XgF2AGodHuQVfLh6gI0h0x19akX3cvrA_eDI4i0E1sqGF5GoiHTTsoC.iEaBXpY43oyFwv7emvOrxK90sQAOGHEk5AKpRfgLzHAYiBAvJiFKWQoKJX84TP6Xwhv8QHTDkh13NnlF52LqTNRPMHU23uECXSZzStESsC31QgNzUuaLbCleG.i1ny4HilnmmLI_hUOw9PXWjwtK9WIwqgZq0hpssCfpyPqXC9xPfgIhrATScye0F02E_d4cxUIGFMffsfMpOGOsqzhdPOobeW_j0h.0y9Tel6Ff0asYMT69_wV.kpWN4sr44aEHFHRopBrqOPiyktQBQ9eh6mIBAAaQoouMK4WZe7uT.XBczgzTKa0d1HJn7U04cU.7VUjOxT X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (scorpio.seibercom.net [192.168.1.103]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: gesbbb@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E7B4F2282C for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:00:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:00:53 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20091013120053.1fffc868@scorpio.seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <2345d18f0910130813j6a2bbde0sec59647f44d43585@mail.gmail.com> References: <2345d18f0910130813j6a2bbde0sec59647f44d43585@mail.gmail.com> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.16.6; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Face: 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 X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: NTP Client synchronization with a Windows 2003/2008 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:00:55 -0000 On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:13:16 +0200 Jacques Henry (caramba696@googlemail.com) replied: >Hello, > >I am using a System based on FreeBSD 6.3. >On this System an automatically generated ntpd.conf file is generated >in order to synchronize the System clock with a NTP Server. I want to >use a Windows 2003 or 2008 Server to act as the NTP Server. On the >Windows System the NTP Server (Windows Time Service) is *correctly* >running. The thing is that even if there are NTP traffic between the >client and the Server (NTP Client and Server IP packet), My FreeBSD is >not synchronizing at all: > >freebsd-client>ntpq -p 127.0.0.1 > remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset >jitter >======================================================= > NTP_server 192.168.10.6 2 u 103 1024 1 1.037 -587367 >0.002 > > >As you can see the offset is huge and never decreases as in a normal >way... > >My ntpd.conf file looks like: >----------- ># File is automatically generated ># Do not edit >tinker panic 1 >tinker step 1 > ># ntp servers list >server 172.30.1.5 > ># files informations >driftfile /etc/ntp.drift > ># restriction informations >restrict default ignore # do not allow request by default >restrict 127.0.0.1 # allow localhost for debugging >restrict 172.30.1.5 nomodify >------------ > >my ntp.drift file >------------ >-101.101 >------------ > >I know that maybe the Microsoft NTP/SNTP implementation is not >RFC-compliant, but is there a way to configure my NTP client in a more >"compatible" (less strict) way to adjust its time with a Windows >Server? You might want to check out these two URL's for starters: http://lists.ntp.isc.org/pipermail/questions/2007-January/012469.html http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms884917.aspx -- Jerry gesbbb@yahoo.com My folks didn't come over on the Mayflower, but they were there to meet the boat. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 13 16:02:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAE64106568F for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:02:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@radel.com) Received: from wave.radel.com (wave.radel.com [216.143.151.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F6428FC12 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:02:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wave.radel.com (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.1.6) with PIPE id 9068393; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:02:43 -0400 Received: from [192.168.43.221] (account jon@radel.com HELO braeburn.local) by wave.radel.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.6) with ESMTP-TLS id 9068390; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:02:33 -0400 Message-ID: <4AD4A499.5060805@radel.com> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:02:33 -0400 From: Jon Radel User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Macintosh/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jacques Henry References: <2345d18f0910130813j6a2bbde0sec59647f44d43585@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <2345d18f0910130813j6a2bbde0sec59647f44d43585@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms090709000607060602020802" X-Radel.com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact Jon for more information X-Radel.com-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: NTP Client synchronization with a Windows 2003/2008 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:02:45 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms090709000607060602020802 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jacques Henry wrote: > Hello, > > I am using a System based on FreeBSD 6.3. > On this System an automatically generated ntpd.conf file is generated in > order to synchronize the System clock with a NTP Server. I want to use a > Windows 2003 or 2008 Server to act as the NTP Server. On the Windows System > the NTP Server (Windows Time Service) is *correctly* running. The thing is > that even if there are NTP traffic between the client and the Server (NTP > Client and Server IP packet), My FreeBSD is not synchronizing at all: > > freebsd-client>ntpq -p 127.0.0.1 > remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset > jitter > ======================================================= > NTP_server 192.168.10.6 2 u 103 1024 1 1.037 -587367 > 0.002 > > > As you can see the offset is huge and never decreases as in a normal way... > > My ntpd.conf file looks like: > ----------- > # File is automatically generated > # Do not edit > tinker panic 1 > tinker step 1 My man page for ntp.conf clearly states in regards to the tinker command: The default values of these variables have been carefully optimized for a wide range of network speeds and reliability expectations. In general, they interact in intricate ways that are hard to predict and some combinations can result in some very nasty behavior. Very rarely is it necessary to change the default values; but, some folks cannot resist twisting the knobs anyway and this com- mand is for them. Emphasis added: twisters are on their own and can expect no help from the support group. so the very first thing you might want to try is to comment out the tinker commands, in particular the panic one. I'm not sure that after you set the panic threshold to 1 second you should expect your ntpd to pay any attention to servers with an offset of 587 seconds. If that fails, consider setting ntpdate_enable="YES" ntpdate_hosts="NTP_server" in your /etc/rc.conf and simply stepping to the correct time at boot time. In short, I don't think this has anything with a Windows server being involved, and everything to do with starting off almost 10 minutes off and a config file that says to never make a step correction larger than 1 second and to panic if you see an offset of over 1 second. -- --Jon Radel jon@radel.com --------------ms090709000607060602020802 Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIJMTCC AvMwggJcoAMCAQICEB1eDeVYxhAO39zOEnHiAbwwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwYjELMAkGA1UE BhMCWkExJTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMT I1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBMB4XDTA5MDIyNTA0MTMyNloX DTEwMDIyNTA0MTMyNlowXjEOMAwGA1UEBBMFUmFkZWwxEzARBgNVBCoTCkpvbiBUaG9tYXMx GTAXBgNVBAMTEEpvbiBUaG9tYXMgUmFkZWwxHDAaBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWDWpvbkByYWRlbC5j 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h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=NWnH3hmhPfKJ521yZG9jRBArSRI+sJfP1TbvozlgxF0=; b=cE1xCRgqfd2RJBvPOa/LBF3V9WLNItuLxPGywXKdSbuDt3J0JQraMdgLAb3q6aaxEw mFzUqW+7cVMGOehmu6FzCt3p97oLt17tnxsp3TiIAMlU1qDUzn2X3+5HrhUoyO+eSynq Bj2GegTTOoxNlPvJqT+S+CVZDUrXP9HCb1t0Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=ZvoW/a6cYBygjjSohE9Va5Hfkob+OerxPuSvPDtFSueH3Tz7/exLHiM+pbqNshREZ+ AYfXm4rOS8OiUEFJf/Tr6gKR791B8S1Zi/npL8d2gPSLgk0hxJpI3yNW046ktGe4EdDQ dXVdQfnnGjQnj4xyy77+FKoGxkW6eBGUUD8hQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.190.20 with SMTP id v20mr467561hbh.208.1255449802606; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 09:03:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2345d18f0910130854l363f157eob42e3253c7dad202@mail.gmail.com> References: <2345d18f0910130813j6a2bbde0sec59647f44d43585@mail.gmail.com> <2345d18f0910130854l363f157eob42e3253c7dad202@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:03:22 +0100 Message-ID: From: krad To: Jacques Henry Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NTP Client synchronization with a Windows 2003/2008 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:03:25 -0000 2009/10/13 Jacques Henry > Hello, > > I am using a System based on FreeBSD 6.3. > On this System an automatically generated ntpd.conf file is generated in > order to synchronize the System clock with a NTP Server. I want to use a > Windows 2003 or 2008 Server to act as the NTP Server. On the Windows System > the NTP Server (Windows Time Service) is *correctly* running. The thing is > that even if there are NTP traffic between the client and the Server (NTP > Client and Server IP packet), My FreeBSD is not synchronizing at all: > > freebsd-client>ntpq -p 127.0.0.1 > remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset > jitter > ======================================================= > NTP_server 192.168.10.6 2 u 103 1024 1 1.037 -587367 > 0.002 > > > As you can see the offset is huge and never decreases as in a normal way... > > My ntpd.conf file looks like: > ----------- > # File is automatically generated > # Do not edit > tinker panic 1 > tinker step 1 > > # ntp servers list > server 172.30.1.5 > > # files informations > driftfile /etc/ntp.drift > > # restriction informations > restrict default ignore # do not allow request by default > restrict 127.0.0.1 # allow localhost for debugging > restrict 172.30.1.5 nomodify > ------------ > > my ntp.drift file > ------------ > -101.101 > ------------ > > I know that maybe the Microsoft NTP/SNTP implementation is not > RFC-compliant, but is there a way to configure my NTP client in a more > "compatible" (less strict) way to adjust its time with a Windows Server? > > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > ntpd wont resync if the time difference is to big, as it assumes something is wrong as you would have set the system clock roughly correct. To fix stop ntpd, then do an ntpdate against the server. This should set the time. Now run ntpd again also set the following variables to a server of your choosing to make sure ntpdate is run 1st on boot $ grep ntp /etc/rc.conf* /etc/rc.conf:ntpdate_flags="uk.pool.ntp.org" /etc/rc.conf:ntpdate_enable="YES" /etc/rc.conf:ntpd_enable="YES" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 13 16:21:36 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE2F11065670 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:21:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from caramba696@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f214.google.com (mail-gx0-f214.google.com [209.85.217.214]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 834B98FC18 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:21:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk6 with SMTP id 6so9434526gxk.13 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 09:21:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=GhSvJiemw21qH4z1laKqDbigjvDKI59j4cBeBe6ly8I=; b=fAcg5nkukm8Xk4+LvmmQpFB6JlJLPD4c7i5pY1Atvd4sHeNZe1wvMWCmK/K4WMyy9Y Tcd/NveEuL3Uv6Uc6mFG2lIoOAxcwvJbemUgajYScfSo3m2KkqOiWDroQY7ObZxr9H4z x4avVpmA7r5bKPSskt4t93MPhbA6elAP0w/LM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=Uo4HVSI/kh6vQiscc5G83eRKjR6ErvcegLqv65Pgg/9x0hHuKcmh3uhCdtH70Gbz+S y75YYwUytKmTUMHqKSrFFitXkyVyNgsxVL7UXOaPF9DcCpURJvLdtMpSXzaSkXn0fdVZ q8iy3dtgWPDWXqDTF4F4Je54eeQBSgFyQaviU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.91.28.2 with SMTP id f2mr4539688agj.16.1255450895516; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 09:21:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2345d18f0910130920k7838dfb4s8fbbd363ed3a4ca4@mail.gmail.com> References: <2345d18f0910130813j6a2bbde0sec59647f44d43585@mail.gmail.com> <2345d18f0910130854l363f157eob42e3253c7dad202@mail.gmail.com> <2345d18f0910130920k7838dfb4s8fbbd363ed3a4ca4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:21:35 +0200 Message-ID: <2345d18f0910130921g17b8d9fdy8fdb99bd5a0e8cf4@mail.gmail.com> From: Jacques Henry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: RE: NTP Client synchronization with a Windows 2003/2008 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:21:36 -0000 > > ntpd wont resync if the time difference is to big, as it assumes something > is wrong as you would have set the system clock roughly correct. To fix stop > ntpd, then do an ntpdate against the server. This should set the time. Now > run ntpd again > > also set the following variables to a server of your choosing to make sure > ntpdate is run 1st on boot > > $ grep ntp /etc/rc.conf* > /etc/rc.conf:ntpdate_flags="uk.pool.ntp.org" > /etc/rc.conf:ntpdate_enable="YES" > /etc/rc.conf:ntpd_enable="YES" > > I cannot do that because I have no Internet access... so the very first thing you might want to try is to comment out the tinker > commands, in particular the panic one. I'm not sure that after you set the > panic threshold to 1 second you should expect your ntpd to pay any attention > to servers with an offset of 587 seconds. If that fails, consider setting > > ntpdate_enable="YES" > ntpdate_hosts="NTP_server" > > in your /etc/rc.conf and simply stepping to the correct time at boot time. > > In short, I don't think this has anything with a Windows server being > involved, and everything to do with starting off almost 10 minutes off and a > config file that says to never make a step correction larger than 1 second > and to panic if you see an offset of over 1 second. > I commented the commands involved and nothing changed... (with only 10 minutes of time difference) I even tried to "force" the sync: U450XA0A0800650>nstop ntp U450XA0A0800650>ntpd -x -n -q -c /var/ntp.conf U450XA0A0800650>nstart ntp In fact I am still quite convinced that the MS implementation isn't totally compliant with the client... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 13 16:45:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 265361065676 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:45:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@radel.com) Received: from wave.radel.com (wave.radel.com [216.143.151.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA5C58FC13 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:45:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wave.radel.com (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.1.6) with PIPE id 9068494; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:45:13 -0400 Received: from [192.168.43.221] (account jon@radel.com HELO braeburn.local) by wave.radel.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.6) with ESMTP-TLS id 9068497; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:44:58 -0400 Message-ID: <4AD4AE89.6010802@radel.com> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:44:57 -0400 From: Jon Radel User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Macintosh/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jacques Henry References: <2345d18f0910130813j6a2bbde0sec59647f44d43585@mail.gmail.com> <2345d18f0910130854l363f157eob42e3253c7dad202@mail.gmail.com> <2345d18f0910130920k7838dfb4s8fbbd363ed3a4ca4@mail.gmail.com> <2345d18f0910130921g17b8d9fdy8fdb99bd5a0e8cf4@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <2345d18f0910130921g17b8d9fdy8fdb99bd5a0e8cf4@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms000607000607090103020208" X-Radel.com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact Jon for more information X-Radel.com-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NTP Client synchronization with a Windows 2003/2008 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:45:14 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms000607000607090103020208 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jacques Henry wrote: > I commented the commands involved and nothing changed... (with only 10 > minutes of time difference) The 19 minutes between when I sent my suggestions and you responded is hardly enough time to see if ntpd was slewing the time. Slewing 587 seconds takes days. > > I even tried to "force" the sync: > > U450XA0A0800650>nstop ntp > U450XA0A0800650>ntpd -x -n -q -c /var/ntp.conf > U450XA0A0800650>nstart ntp > Are you sure that -x in there, telling ntpd to not step unless the offset is over 600 sec, doesn't override what you're trying to do with the -q? How about you try simple: ntpdate the_windows_server and see what that does? After that look in /var/log/messages. > In fact I am still quite convinced that the MS implementation isn't totally > compliant with the client... Could be, but ntpq was showing that your ntpd was accepting time data from the Windows server at least on some level. -- --Jon Radel jon@radel.com --------------ms000607000607090103020208 Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIJMTCC AvMwggJcoAMCAQICEB1eDeVYxhAO39zOEnHiAbwwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwYjELMAkGA1UE BhMCWkExJTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMT I1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBMB4XDTA5MDIyNTA0MTMyNloX DTEwMDIyNTA0MTMyNlowXjEOMAwGA1UEBBMFUmFkZWwxEzARBgNVBCoTCkpvbiBUaG9tYXMx GTAXBgNVBAMTEEpvbiBUaG9tYXMgUmFkZWwxHDAaBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWDWpvbkByYWRlbC5j b20wggEiMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4IBDwAwggEKAoIBAQDeT7qtj+euqWr2wXM7OnwrXJe9 Jlc0CGaM69AcTWOFakRY7MUXrqcmF5WjrqrMoagfGjS362eb6787x313ZdLoGuQPh/o2Mqp4 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<20091013130829.b5279603.wmoran@potentialtech.com> Organization: Bill Moran X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.5; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: [OT] Service that provides security questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:08:31 -0000 I know that various companies use a pretty crazy security question system if your forget your account password and you can't use email to reset it. It seems to be the same system used by the credit agencies when you ask for a credit report the first time. It's the system where they ask you 6 or 7 questions and you have to get most of them right. You know, when some of the questions have no answer, like "What year did you live at 123 Baker St" when you've never lived there, so you have to select "no matching answer". Those who have dealt with one of these systems know what I'm talking about. I have a hard time believing each of these companies sets up such a system on their own, and I have a feeling that there's a 3rd party that compiles the data for them. Can anyone refer me to such a company? -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com http://people.collaborativefusion.com/~wmoran/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 13 17:21:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E10110656AB for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:21:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from heiner_ej@yahoo.de) Received: from n10.bullet.re3.yahoo.com (n10.bullet.re3.yahoo.com [68.142.237.123]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CA05C8FC3B for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:21:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [68.142.237.90] by n10.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2009 17:21:15 -0000 Received: from [66.196.97.152] by t6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2009 17:21:15 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp205.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2009 17:21:15 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 708116.76796.bm@omp205.mail.re3.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 20493 invoked by uid 60001); 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Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:21:14 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/182.10 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.3 References: <20091013120022.BE83310656C7@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:21:14 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Heiner_Strau=DF?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20091013120022.BE83310656C7@hub.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [ports/science/paraview]: /usr/local/lib/paraview-2.4/tk8.4/tk.tcl: no event type or button # or keysym X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:21:17 -0000 > =0A=0A> Before posting a PR I'll ask whether this error I receive after a= fresh =0A> installation of paraview from ports today on FreeBSD 8.0-RC1/am= d64 is an =0A> serious issue or something related on misconfiguration.=0A> = =0A> Besides, tcl/tk 8.4 is up to date and present on the system.=0A> Hope = someone can help,=0A> =0A> regards,=0A> Oliver=0A> =0A> --=0A> =0A> =0A> Pa= raView error: InitializeTcl failed=0A> Tk_Init error: Can't find a usable t= k.tcl in the following directories:=0A> /usr/local/lib/paraview-2.4/tk= 8.4=0A> =0A> /usr/local/lib/paraview-2.4/tk8.4/tk.tcl: no event type or but= ton # or =0A> keysym=0A> no event type or button # or keysym=0A> while= executing=0A> "bind Listbox {=0A> %W yview scroll [expr {- (%D / 120)= * 4}] units=0A> }"=0A> (file "/usr/local/lib/paraview-2.4/tk8.4/listb= ox.tcl" line 182)=0A> invoked from within=0A> "source /usr/local/lib/p= araview-2.4/tk8.4/listbox.tcl"=0A> (in namespace eval "::" script line= 1)=0A> invoked from within=0A> "namespace eval :: [list source [file = join $::tk_library $file.tcl]]"=0A> (procedure "SourceLibFile" line 2)= =0A> invoked from within=0A> "SourceLibFile listbox"=0A> (in name= space eval "::tk" script line 4)=0A> invoked from within=0A> "namespac= e eval ::tk {=0A> SourceLibFile button=0A> SourceLibFile = entry=0A> SourceLibFile listbox=0A> SourceLibFile menu=0A= > SourceLibFile panedwindow=0A> SourceLibFile ..."=0A> = invoked from within=0A> "if {$::tk_library ne ""} {=0A> if {[string= equal $tcl_platform(platform) "macintosh"]} {=0A> proc ::tk::Sour= ceLibFile {file} {=0A> if {[catch {=0A> names= p..."=0A> (file "/usr/local/lib/paraview-2.4/tk8.4/tk.tcl" line 397)= =0A> invoked from within=0A> "source /usr/local/lib/paraview-2.4/tk8.4= /tk.tcl"=0A> ("uplevel" body line 1)=0A> invoked from within=0A> = "uplevel #0 [list source $file]"=0A> =0A> =0A> This probably means that tk = wasn't installed properly.=0A> =0A=0AHello,=0Athis happens because Xorg cha= nged the event model in 7.4 and Tk not. A quick fix is to comment out the m= ouse events in paraview. A better fix is to patch Tk, someone already wrote= it.=0A=0AGreetings,=0AHeiner=0A=0A=0A=0A From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 13 17:27:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 913D01065670 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:27:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52D018FC1C for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:27:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-71-245.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.71.245]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDB0F1E22D; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:27:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n9DHRWKW001510; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:27:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:27:32 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Martijn van Buul Message-Id: <20091013192732.839699dd.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Martijn van Buul , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Relocating ~/.xsession-errors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:27:34 -0000 On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 08:02:19 +0000 (UTC), Martijn van Buul wrote: > I'd like to relocate this file to a tmpfs ramdisk, > if possible. Have you tried using a symlink? I'm not sure if this will work across partitions... > Does anyone know an alternate way to move this logfile, or if everything > else fails how to silence it? Symlink to /dev/null? :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 13 18:33:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9C391065694 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:33:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@optiksecurite.com) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83E768FC13 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:33:33 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Received: from [69.69.69.193] ([24.201.201.211]) by VL-MO-MR005.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-4.01 (built Aug 3 2007; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KRG00M8RRFUM830@VL-MO-MR005.ip.videotron.ca> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:33:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <4AD4B9EA.5070304@optiksecurite.com> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:33:30 -0400 From: Martin Turgeon User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: How can I get >100 connections in FIN_WAIT_2 state from the same IP? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:33:33 -0000 Hi everyone, I would like to know if anyone knows the reason why I get a lot of connections (more than 100) from the same IP in FIN_WAIT_2 state. Refering to this diagram (http://www.jxos.org/Projects/TCP/tcpstate.html), the connection enter in FIN_WAIT_1 when the server closes the connection and in FIN_WAIT_2 when the client ACK the FIN from the server. For the connection to stay in FIN_WAIT_2, the client must never send his FIN, right? In this case the connections are on port 80. Is it a problem with the client's browser or OS? Is it possible that some mobile devices doesn't close their connections correctly to save bandwidth and battery? I know this isn't specific to FreeBSD, but thanks for your answer anyway Martin From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 13 18:28:58 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B9EC1065692 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:28:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bbdl21548@blueyonder.co.uk) Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 364898FC25 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:28:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [172.23.170.138] (helo=anti-virus01-09) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1MxjO4-0007wH-NK for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:34:08 +0100 Received: from [92.237.59.138] (helo=atlantis) by asmtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1MxjO4-0001mI-3w for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:34:08 +0100 Message-ID: <9A3A5718E988446A83A59583AB2D2CDA@atlantis> From: "Jasvinder S. Bahra" To: References: <815964.80537.qm@web51104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:34:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:34:58 +0000 Subject: Re: freebsd jail: web and database server config questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:28:58 -0000 I'm no expert but i'll give this a go. > Is it advisable/wise/okay/clever to run a webserver on my host > system and a database server on my jailed system? The webserver > will need to connect to the database system on startup and > update the database based on client access. A key concept in securing a system is defence in depth. Personally, I would setup two jails on the system and run the database in one jail and the webserver in the other. That way, if one of the two became compromised, the intruder would still have to do some work to get system root access. > However, if a machine gets compromised, it would rather be the > webserver, therefore running the webserver in the jailed > environment seems better to me. But how could that be done, if > the webserver requires to connect through tcp/ip to the > database server running on the host system? I thought that a > key-feature of a jailed system is that it can't access > resources outside the jail. Your correct that a jail is almost entirely self-contained, but no more so than a standalone system - and a standalone system can still communicate with other systems using network communications. In (exactly) the same way, a process in one jail can still communicate with a process in another jail. For example, say you were using MySQL and Apache Webserver. If the two processes were running on two different systems, they can communicate with each other via a network connection on port 3306. As a jailed system is a virtual-standalone system, each of them would have a virtual-network card, and so two seperate IP addresses. Thus, the two processes could communicate with each other in exactly the same way as the two actually-standalone systems. > And how do I go around when I need to update my host system due > to a security advisory. I heard the jailed environment will not > be affected? So basically that means I would need to create a > new jail everytime I recompile (as that's the way I'm using to > stay current) Your correct, recompiling the host system does not affect the jailed systems. However there are ways around that. I use a tool called ezjail. It allows you to update a jail with a single command. See http://erdgeist.org/arts/software/ezjail/ and the handbook for more details. Jazz From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 13 18:39:51 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EFD81065670 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:39:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout016.mac.com (asmtpout016.mac.com [17.148.16.91]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BCC38FC1B for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:39:50 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Received: from cswiger1.apple.com ([17.227.140.124]) by asmtp016.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0KRG00EFTUICDK00@asmtp016.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 11:39:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-id: From: Chuck Swiger To: Martin Turgeon In-reply-to: <4AD4B9EA.5070304@optiksecurite.com> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 11:39:48 -0700 References: <4AD4B9EA.5070304@optiksecurite.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: How can I get >100 connections in FIN_WAIT_2 state from the same IP? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:39:51 -0000 On Oct 13, 2009, at 10:33 AM, Martin Turgeon wrote: > I would like to know if anyone knows the reason why I get a lot of > connections (more than 100) from the same IP in FIN_WAIT_2 state. That IP is probably running a web proxy or possibly some kind of spider. It could also be malicious, trying to exploit webserver vulnerabilities, etc-- search your logs for that IP and see what it is doing. > In this case the connections are on port 80. Is it a problem with the > client's browser or OS? Is it possible that some mobile devices > doesn't > close their connections correctly to save bandwidth and battery? Yes, it's not uncommon for various platforms to simply drop connections rather than closing them properly. You can run tcpdrop to forcibly get rid of them, but they should time out within a few minutes anyway. If you believe the remote IP is being abusive, consider firewalling it.... Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 13 18:42:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08629106566B for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:42:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f184.google.com (mail-yx0-f184.google.com [209.85.210.184]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B62158FC16 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:42:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxe14 with SMTP id 14so21667850yxe.7 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 11:42:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=MgXtSW5q5wlMVsRTO0QfO2Eq7Y9ZTcyB1O5Lefwd1ZQ=; b=Cl+aFZwBZ57Nm3I5JNIaqOKADHf4ywbXdxJGKsG9UnKzXQLINoUvWCdEJniOLSEeE+ kHByjiRkDyEz2yk/2jvsz/4giwA4Hp8po5B2paSQtcP8mR16J9m2VL4wcKnr35DOZiGO Kg1nov8VDNs1jumCiJTeGJeDpjHaPq6oAl1g0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=EEnFLRio48LozyPnHvRQuKYNmzjhqKgzDklax2o/UEwGZvwcotQNHt8nGgAIdCn8y2 iB6MT2VbkmTM9E+yqkewYa8rKf7MJJn0bneCNXpdA8uZQS1R3kNfdfkz2wWIp5rSHR8D 2Ppf4KnlG7n6LH7Kxiw4AkqfntApaaVNm7Oj8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.176.38 with SMTP id d38mr6356127anp.12.1255459342805; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 11:42:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <98ac902a0910121745h204124ear51139091572676f3@mail.gmail.com> References: <98ac902a0910120214m29d299b5o6aa58fdba45c9f95@mail.gmail.com> <98ac902a0910121745h204124ear51139091572676f3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:42:19 -0600 Message-ID: From: Tim Judd To: Alex Jurkiewicz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: restore(8)ing new / -- boots on metal but not in a VM X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:42:24 -0000 On 10/12/09, Alex Jurkiewicz wrote: > 2009/10/13 Tim Judd : >> Is the virtual machine using SCSI emulation to boot, or is it using IDE? >> >> SCSI drives are da(4), IDE drives are ata(4) [aka ad(4)] >> > > The dump was taken from an ad0 device on physical hardware, and I'm > attempting to restore to the same, just on virtual hardware. > >> If the boot blocks (maybe boot0 specific) point to an ad/ata device, >> and the virtual machine is SCSI, it won't find the boot sectors. > > So, if I make a dumpfile of / on an ad(4) device, I can't restore it > to a da(4) device and expect it to boot? I guess at minimum I'll need > two copies of this image if I want to roll it out on machines with > both sorts of drive, right? > > Thanks, > AJ > That's part of my point, I don't run with boot0, so it may be one of it's features. My suggestion is to check the VM config and see if you can emulate an IDE ad(4) device instead of the possible SCSI da(4) device that vmware/virtualbox may setup. I'm almost positive (not 100% because I don't have either one of those installed at the moment) that both those products default to a SCSI device. Let us know. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 13 18:45:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CE741065676 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:45:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f214.google.com (mail-gx0-f214.google.com [209.85.217.214]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06B128FC0A for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:45:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk6 with SMTP id 6so9576342gxk.13 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 11:45:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Av7ROxf/Wo5gRbwhU73NVRYx3LJKOsBOluPlFYyqCEQ=; b=wF9WLlobdiUKz7GovWNVu+travspqdvtJAIvXjOB8//bsR9EjZ12Imkqh8Wtp9uTTm ROUaPsLkkWguHC2G0iNSgELbogHGOC1qRVa1ONN/vzuU54hWQ4yUhEOTMTrznjY0IpXf TDIAaBePP4AbHAw41VhGWnHac35M/FhxMsUQw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=ZEJ9sGfjRngMKvXin5q9KlL0hzavkU6pL8xbp+j9D6BGvPpnqOVf2UsHlYOgPt65mm 1VN8JRNjqOwQoUO1mG9RhG2p0iYFnatbz5CNibL1G1RlETaOpe3lsVtMrt2E0dVLWEmc zYrYKlX6qa2csPwnHHyDTMnx1hvIo5IHfFWPE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.201.2 with SMTP id d2mr6295016anq.197.1255459502207; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 11:45:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:45:02 -0600 Message-ID: From: Tim Judd To: Marwan Sultan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: server specification. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:45:03 -0000 On 10/12/09, Marwan Sultan wrote: > > Hello gurus, > > > > Im going to a new server, and i donot want to have a problem.. > > May please anyone advice me of any feed back of FreeBSD 7.2 with the > following specification: > > any problems? > > > > > > 1x Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 > Kentsfield 2.4GHz 2x 4MB L2 > Cache LGA 775 > > 2GB DDR2 ECC > > 3WARE RAID SATA 2 ports > > 2x 250GB SATA in RAID 1 > > > > So any problems with quad kentsfield and FBSD 7.2 ? > > > > thank you in advance. > > > > Marwan Sultan Certain OEMs (ahem, Dell) I don't pick due to it's known legacy support or Technical Support unsupporting an OS that they don't get paid for. Even if it's a hardware problem, they ask "try to duplicate the problem in windows, then we'll be able to support you". I turn Dell down, when I deal with my customers. --Tim From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 13 18:46:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 544A8106568B for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:46:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tobias.rehbein@web.de) Received: from fmmailgate03.web.de (fmmailgate03.web.de [217.72.192.234]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A4178FC2F for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:46:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp06.web.de (fmsmtp06.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.5.172]) by fmmailgate03.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42B70123AF2F5; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:13:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [95.88.224.31] (helo=sushi.pseudo.local) by smtp06.web.de with asmtp (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (WEB.DE 4.110 #314) id 1Mxlrt-0007ZW-00; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:13:06 +0200 Received: from sushi.pseudo.local (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sushi.pseudo.local (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9DIDOp2007550; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:13:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from tobi@sushi.pseudo.local) Received: (from tobi@localhost) by sushi.pseudo.local (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n9DIDOEl007549; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:13:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from tobi) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:13:24 +0200 From: Tobias Rehbein To: Gary Kline Message-ID: <20091013181324.GA1752@sushi.pseudo.local> Mail-Followup-To: Gary Kline , FreeBSD Mailing List References: <20091011183146.GA1258@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20091011183146.GA1258@thought.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Sender: tobias.rehbein@web.de X-Sender: tobias.rehbein@web.de X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/D6nMjHltOVr6UiVHG2NG1Omcrzy/MXyE50oTU 3BzcyHqfqmS762VgJESC9lhBmYrMwHTt3saFh9YlwYJh+HCdwh sWVcAuaNpoCRCJa85VEQ== Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: music file in /tmp/XXX/ X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:46:33 -0000 Am Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 11:31:48AM -0700 schrieb Gary Kline: > is there a freebsd app that will take my music file, 18 of them in /tmp/XXX, > all named ogg files, and burn them to a CD? You might take a look at audio/mp3burn. Despite it's name it burns ogg files just fine: mp3burn *.ogg From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 13 19:21:25 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A016A10656C9 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:21:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from a_best01@uni-muenster.de) Received: from zivm-exrelay1.uni-muenster.de (ZIVM-EXRELAY1.UNI-MUENSTER.DE [128.176.192.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 962988FC21 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:21:24 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,552,1249250400"; d="txt'?scan'208";a="285392203" Received: from zivmaildisp1.uni-muenster.de (HELO ZIVMAILUSER01.UNI-MUENSTER.DE) ([128.176.188.85]) by zivm-relay1.uni-muenster.de with ESMTP; 13 Oct 2009 21:21:22 +0200 Received: by ZIVMAILUSER01.UNI-MUENSTER.DE (Postfix, from userid 149459) id A88361B0766; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:21:22 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:21:16 +0200 (CEST) From: Alexander Best Sender: Organization: Westfaelische Wilhelms-Universitaet Muenster To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=+permail-20091013192116f0889e8400007575-a_best01+ Cc: Subject: whacky `fc-list` output X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:21:25 -0000 This is a MIME encoded multipart message. --+permail-20091013192116f0889e8400007575-a_best01+ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi there, when i do `fc-list` the output looks rather odd. `fc-cache -f` doesn't help. the output looks the same using different shells. cheers. ps: i'm running FreeBSD otaku 9.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 9.0-CURRENT #0 r197914: Sat Oct 10 02:58:19 CEST 2009 root@otaku:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ARUNDEL i386 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text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: server specification. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:34:36 -0000 On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:45:02 -0600 Tim Judd (tajudd@gmail.com) replied: >Certain OEMs (ahem, Dell) I don't pick due to it's known legacy >support or Technical Support unsupporting an OS that they don't get >paid for. Even if it's a hardware problem, they ask "try to duplicate >the problem in windows, then we'll be able to support you". > >I turn Dell down, when I deal with my customers. I have had excellent results with both Dell and HP. In the case of Dell, twice they have shipped over night parts I required that were under warranty at no cost to myself. I think it is a little naive to feel that a company is suppose to support any product that they are not actively associated with. There cheaper models do use quite a bit of legacy products; however, the intermediate and top end machines are far better. They also offer the customer far more ways to customize the product. -- Jerry gesbbb@yahoo.com The bugs you have to avoid are the ones that give the user not only the inclination to get on a plane, but also the time. Kay Bostic From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 13 20:00:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F61A1065670 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:00:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 244FC8FC0C for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:00:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1MxnXM-00008d-Ra for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:00:00 +0200 Received: from mud.stack.nl ([131.155.141.70]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:00:00 +0200 Received: from pino+gmane_os_freebsd_questions by mud.stack.nl with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:00:00 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Martijn van Buul Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:59:28 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <20091013192732.839699dd.freebsd@edvax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: mud.stack.nl X-Favourite-Drink: Alcoholic, yet fluid User-Agent: slrn/0.9.9p1 (FreeBSD) Sender: news Subject: Re: Relocating ~/.xsession-errors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Martijn van Buul List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:00:04 -0000 * Polytropon: > On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 08:02:19 +0000 (UTC), Martijn van Buul > wrote: >> I'd like to relocate this file to a tmpfs ramdisk, >> if possible. > > Have you tried using a symlink? I'm not sure if this will > work across partitions... Symlinks work across partitions, but the problem is that symlinks (or hardlinks for that matter..) won't work here. GDM is responsible for setting up the redirection, and before doing so it moves the existing .xsession-errors to .xsession-errors.old. This is intentional, so in case of a suddenly terminating X session the old logging of the previous session is still available. This means that the (symbolic) link will just end up being moved to .xsession-errors.old, thus defeating the purpose. >> Does anyone know an alternate way to move this logfile, or if everything >> else fails how to silence it? > > Symlink to /dev/null? :-) Alas :) Thanks for thinking along with me. -- Martijn van Buul - pino@dohd.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 13 21:31:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97A1610656A3 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:31:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glimm@itartass.spb.ru) Received: from mail.itartass.spb.ru (itartass2-6.ip.PeterStar.net [81.3.188.134]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18D988FC29 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:31:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.itartass.spb.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.itartass.spb.ru (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id n9DLRnNJ027032 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 01:27:49 +0400 Received: from localhost (corbiere.static.corbina.ru [85.21.168.47]) (authenticated bits=0) by relay.itartass.spb.ru (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id n9DLRkrB027027 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 01:27:46 +0400 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 01:27:04 +0000 From: glimm To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20091014012704.6e42d7ca@itartass.spb.ru> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2b1 (relay.itartass.spb.ru [81.3.188.134]); Wed, 14 Oct 2009 01:27:46 +0400 (MSD) Subject: cdma modem Ubiquam UM-300 and FreeBSD 8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:31:42 -0000 Hello. Has the someone to run the pcmcia modem Ubiquam UM-300 under FreeBSD? Modem is defined in the system, but ppp is responsible "Warning: Chat script failed" when dialing. kldload umodem.ko kldload uplcom.ko kldload uart.ko dmesg pccard0: (manufacturer=0x015d, product=0x4c45, function_type=254) at function 0 pccard0: CIS info: Ubiquam, UM-300, , uart2: at port 0x400-0x408 irq 20 function 1 config 63 on pccard0 uart2: [FILTER] ppp.log Oct 14 01:20:30 laptop ppp[2722]: tun0: Command: skylink: set device /dev/ttyu2 Oct 14 01:20:30 laptop ppp[2722]: tun0: Command: skylink: set phone #777 Oct 14 01:20:30 laptop ppp[2722]: tun0: Command: skylink: set dial ABORT BUSY ABORT NO\sCARRIER TIMEOUT 5 "" AT OK-AT-OK ATE1Q Oct 14 01:20:30 laptop ppp[2722]: tun0: Command: skylink: set login Oct 14 01:20:30 laptop ppp[2722]: tun0: Command: skylink: set authname mobile Oct 14 01:20:30 laptop ppp[2722]: tun0: Command: skylink: set authkey ******** Oct 14 01:20:30 laptop ppp[2722]: tun0: Command: skylink: set ifaddr 10.0.0.1/0 10.0.0.2/0 255.255.255.0 0.0.0.0 Oct 14 01:20:30 laptop ppp[2722]: tun0: Command: skylink: add default HISADDR Oct 14 01:20:30 laptop ppp[2722]: tun0: Phase: PPP Started (interactive mode). Oct 14 01:20:31 laptop ppp[2722]: tun0: Command: /dev/pts/4: dial Oct 14 01:20:31 laptop ppp[2722]: tun0: Phase: bundle: Establish Oct 14 01:20:31 laptop ppp[2722]: tun0: Phase: deflink: closed -> opening Oct 14 01:20:31 laptop ppp[2722]: tun0: Phase: deflink: Connected! Oct 14 01:20:31 laptop ppp[2722]: tun0: Phase: deflink: opening -> dial Oct 14 01:20:31 laptop ppp[2722]: tun0: Chat: Phone: #777 Oct 14 01:20:31 laptop ppp[2722]: tun0: Chat: deflink: Dial attempt 1 of 1 Oct 14 01:20:31 laptop ppp[2722]: tun0: Chat: Send: AT^M Oct 14 01:20:31 laptop ppp[2722]: tun0: Chat: Expect(5): OK Oct 14 01:20:36 laptop ppp[2722]: tun0: Chat: Expect timeout Oct 14 01:20:36 laptop ppp[2722]: tun0: Chat: Send: AT^M Oct 14 01:20:36 laptop ppp[2722]: tun0: Chat: Expect(5): OK Oct 14 01:20:41 laptop ppp[2722]: tun0: Chat: Expect timeout Oct 14 01:20:41 laptop ppp[2722]: tun0: Warning: Chat script failed Oct 14 01:20:41 laptop ppp[2722]: tun0: Phase: deflink: dial -> hangup Oct 14 01:20:41 laptop ppp[2722]: tun0: Phase: deflink: Disconnected! Oct 14 01:20:41 laptop ppp[2722]: tun0: Phase: deflink: Connect time: 10 secs: 0 octets in, 0 octets out Oct 14 01:20:41 laptop ppp[2722]: tun0: Phase: deflink: 0 packets in, 0 packets out Oct 14 01:20:41 laptop ppp[2722]: tun0: Phase: total 0 bytes/sec, peak 0 bytes/sec on Wed Oct 14 01:20:31 2009 Oct 14 01:20:41 laptop ppp[2722]: tun0: Phase: deflink: hangup -> closed Oct 14 01:20:41 laptop ppp[2722]: tun0: Phase: bundle: Dead Oct 14 01:21:04 laptop ppp[2722]: tun0: Command: /dev/pts/4: quit Oct 14 01:21:04 laptop ppp[2722]: tun0: Phase: PPP Terminated (normal). From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 13 21:42:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEB70106568D for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:42:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 692888FC13 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:42:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1Mxp8D-0003wn-3Y for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 23:42:09 +0200 Received: from mud.stack.nl ([131.155.141.70]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 23:42:09 +0200 Received: from pino+gmane_os_freebsd_questions by mud.stack.nl with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 23:42:09 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Martijn van Buul Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:41:42 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: mud.stack.nl X-Favourite-Drink: Alcoholic, yet fluid User-Agent: slrn/0.9.9p1 (FreeBSD) Sender: news Subject: Re: Relocating ~/.xsession-errors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Martijn van Buul List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:42:10 -0000 * Martijn van Buul: > Hi, > > I've recently installed FreeBSD 8.0RC1 on my Acer Aspire One netbook, and so > far things are working out OK. I'm using the SSD model, and since these > netbooks have a notoriously slow SSD write speed, I'm trying to get rid of as > much writes as possible. Furthermore, reducing writes might make it live > longer. OK, I "fixed" my own problem, but I'm not overly happy with it. Apparently this filename and location are compile-time constants, so I had to revert to making a patch and compiling my own package. I would've loved to avoid this since it would make updating harder, but alas. It's a bit ironic to see that in a world littered of XML schemas, config files, gconf-voodoo and other configuration options you STILL end requiring a patched binary. Ah well :) -- Martijn van Buul - pino@dohd.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 13 21:51:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E03401065676 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:51:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A2948FC1B for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:51:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1MxpG8-0007w7-MC for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 23:50:20 +0200 Received: from pool-70-21-8-200.res.east.verizon.net ([70.21.8.200]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 23:50:20 +0200 Received: from nightrecon by pool-70-21-8-200.res.east.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 23:50:20 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Followup-To: gmane.os.freebsd.questions Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:50 -0400 Lines: 37 Message-ID: References: <4AD4B9EA.5070304@optiksecurite.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-70-21-8-200.res.east.verizon.net Sender: news Subject: Re: How can I get >100 connections in FIN_WAIT_2 state from the same IP? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: nightrecon@hotmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:51:35 -0000 Chuck Swiger wrote: > On Oct 13, 2009, at 10:33 AM, Martin Turgeon wrote: >> I would like to know if anyone knows the reason why I get a lot of >> connections (more than 100) from the same IP in FIN_WAIT_2 state. > > That IP is probably running a web proxy or possibly some kind of > spider. It could also be malicious, trying to exploit webserver > vulnerabilities, etc-- search your logs for that IP and see what it is > doing. > >> In this case the connections are on port 80. Is it a problem with the >> client's browser or OS? Is it possible that some mobile devices >> doesn't >> close their connections correctly to save bandwidth and battery? > > Yes, it's not uncommon for various platforms to simply drop > connections rather than closing them properly. You can run tcpdrop to > forcibly get rid of them, but they should time out within a few > minutes anyway. If you believe the remote IP is being abusive, > consider firewalling it.... > This is also common from the differences in TCP/IP stacks across various platforms. Windows, Linux, Solaris, etc are all slightly different in this regard. If you're running a web server you can set the following in /etc/sysctl.conf in an attempt to mitigate. Don't know if the timeout period can be altered. net.inet.tcp.fast_finwait2_recycle=1 This won't stop it from happening but it will trim the pool down some. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 13 21:53:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D08821065694 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:53:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from a_best01@uni-muenster.de) Received: from zivm-exrelay1.uni-muenster.de (ZIVM-EXRELAY1.UNI-MUENSTER.DE [128.176.192.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FCBD8FC16 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:53:42 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,553,1249250400"; d="scan'208";a="285401633" Received: from zivmaildisp1.uni-muenster.de (HELO ZIVMAILUSER04.UNI-MUENSTER.DE) ([128.176.188.85]) by zivm-relay1.uni-muenster.de with ESMTP; 13 Oct 2009 23:23:57 +0200 Received: by ZIVMAILUSER04.UNI-MUENSTER.DE (Postfix, from userid 149459) id DEFB91B07BE; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 23:23:56 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 23:23:56 +0200 (CEST) From: Alexander Best Sender: Organization: Westfaelische Wilhelms-Universitaet Muenster To: Kevin Kinsey , Randi Harper , FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4AD23C1C.8040300@daleco.biz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: sysinstall colours X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:53:42 -0000 Kevin Kinsey schrieb am 2009-10-11: > Alexander Best wrote: > >>Seriously?!?!?! All the problems with sysinstall, and your idea is > >>to > >>change > >>the color? Are you trying to start a bikeshed? If so, I prefer > >>pink. > >>-- randi > I'm painting the little girl's room next week and might have > some leftover interior latex, if that will do. Oh, but, it's > outside, so prolly not. Sorry. Or, do you want your pink > bikeshed in the garage? ;-) > >current developers don't seem to have any interest in improving > >sysinstall. so > >it's important to get new people involved in freebsd. and the way > >to do that > >is with an attractive looking installer and an easy installation > >process imo. > I don't want to be harsh, but do you know what you're talking about? > Randi, for one, has taken on the zombie known as sysinstall with a > nice big shotgun, and is attempting to keep adding a few features > here/there as needed to keep up with necessities while other > developers (AFAIK) work on other projects, including, at last count, > a couple differnet possibilities for installers. It's apparently > been rather daunting work, and, as a result, the new installer, > whatever its name is/will be, isn't ready for inclusion with 8.0. > However, a day is coming ... > Kevin Kinsey just did a quick research and google soc sponsored the finstaller in 2007 and the bsdinstaller in 2005. personally if i spent a lot of time on such a project i'd be expecting it to get integrated into the base system. if not i'd get rather upset and would probably switch to linux or opensolaris. just my 2 cents. alex From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 13 22:08:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC0EB106566B for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:08:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from af300wsm@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f233.google.com (mail-yx0-f233.google.com [209.85.210.233]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3E378FC08 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:08:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxe22 with SMTP id 22so6329393yxe.3 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:08:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.199.3 with SMTP id b3mr6025339anq.27.1255471685953; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:08:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <0016e68e80b7ddecc30475d84700@google.com> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:08:05 +0000 From: af300wsm@gmail.com To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: laptops and notebooks X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:08:06 -0000 hi, Does anyone here use FreeBSD or PC-BSD with HP TouchSmart laptops/notebooks? Thanks, Andy From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 13 22:33:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5005106568F for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:33:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wtf.jlaine@gmail.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.152]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F5B28FC19 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:33:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 22so62935fge.13 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:33:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:date:from:to:cc :subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-operating-system; bh=GagDg6kJnWQm2b4JG1y7rh2oe0K5Re02iVlsk3IGO1c=; b=tt2SQYtPrsVqUS84XTTYzYp3EsqlTeyawyUCx4CW4LmVOOSPdrKquoXCnBDDhKXpF7 /EhiYIOXlmMgBFcjlj0l98t2UvdIO7TR7k17VZpiHkoQYX2Cs29Kco3q4phxKUPOfXrg 0mHtC/2A+kI0FimV5tKsZCT7u1Ek6vv99wRrQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent:x-operating-system; b=BM4/QxOwkuTva9CvsGtxfQVM6hPkkTmbY7Np+SaFzbAlBMF9DGLLPiF3xKz5asXOSA 2HwPBeOGTRGbue3WSMkytBmc3650pEJO9qW2Kaa5VGcwdR1M123kXOpcU6bckhtbdZKb o/wTMpfhHjfc8GbBxODytH8mBbr8RKJWZflMc= Received: by 10.86.228.3 with SMTP id a3mr2486188fgh.51.1255473191527; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:33:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aperture_lab ([77.66.145.99]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d6sm698836fga.20.2009.10.13.15.33.09 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:33:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by aperture_lab (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 14 Oct 2009 02:33:08 +0400 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 02:33:08 +0400 From: Jeff Laine To: Michael Powell Message-ID: <20091013223307.GA70023@free.bsd.loc> Mail-Followup-To: Jeff Laine , Michael Powell , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4AD4B9EA.5070304@optiksecurite.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.0-BETA2 i386 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How can I get >100 connections in FIN_WAIT_2 state from the same IP? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:33:13 -0000 On Tue,13-10-2009 [17:50:00], Michael Powell wrote: > Chuck Swiger wrote: > > > On Oct 13, 2009, at 10:33 AM, Martin Turgeon wrote: > >> I would like to know if anyone knows the reason why I get a lot of > >> connections (more than 100) from the same IP in FIN_WAIT_2 state. > > > > That IP is probably running a web proxy or possibly some kind of > > spider. It could also be malicious, trying to exploit webserver > > vulnerabilities, etc-- search your logs for that IP and see what it is > > doing. > > > >> In this case the connections are on port 80. Is it a problem with the > >> client's browser or OS? Is it possible that some mobile devices > >> doesn't > >> close their connections correctly to save bandwidth and battery? > > > > Yes, it's not uncommon for various platforms to simply drop > > connections rather than closing them properly. You can run tcpdrop to > > forcibly get rid of them, but they should time out within a few > > minutes anyway. If you believe the remote IP is being abusive, > > consider firewalling it.... > > > > This is also common from the differences in TCP/IP stacks across various > platforms. Windows, Linux, Solaris, etc are all slightly different in this > regard. > > If you're running a web server you can set the following in /etc/sysctl.conf > in an attempt to mitigate. Don't know if the timeout period can be altered. > > net.inet.tcp.fast_finwait2_recycle=1 > > This won't stop it from happening but it will trim the pool down some. Hi, maybe you'll find this info useful as well: >From man pf.conf: [...] Options tcp.finwait The state after both FINs have been exchanged and the connec- tion is closed. Some hosts (notably web servers on Solaris) send TCP packets even after closing the connection. Increas- ing tcp.finwait (and possibly tcp.closing) can prevent block- ing of such packets. [...] It looks like this pf tunable has a 45s default value: #pfctl -st [...] tcp.finwait 45s [...] Setting pf optimization to 'aggressive' changes it to 30s value. -- Best regards, Jeff | "Nobody wants to say how this works. | | Maybe nobody knows ..." | | Xorg.conf(5) | From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 13 22:40:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 847711065692 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:40:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from meta@club.kyutech.ac.jp) Received: from mail1.asahi-net.or.jp (mail1.asahi-net.or.jp [202.224.39.197]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B4138FC20 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:40:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.vmeta.jp (attsi1-src.asahi-net.or.jp [220.157.253.2]) by mail1.asahi-net.or.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 940288ED90 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 07:23:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from rose.club.kyutech.ac.jp (rose.club.kyutech.ac.jp [131.206.108.6]) by smtp.vmeta.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDF62AEBC0 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 07:23:11 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <4AD4FDC5.7010403@club.kyutech.ac.jp> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 07:23:01 +0900 From: Kouichiro Iwao User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090828) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: too noisy virtualbox messages on dmesg X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:40:48 -0000 Hi. I'm using VirtualBox 3.0.51 on 8-RC1 and it is properly working but too many messages are dumped on dmesg like below. The message blows off which I really need. Please give me instructions how to stop it or how to make it to be dumped somewhere else. [meta@trueno ~]$ dmesg | tail VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=tty ppDev=0xec2e28dc VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=tty ppDev=0xec1c78dc VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=tty ppDev=0xec1738dc VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=tty ppDev=0xec1738dc VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=crypto ppDev=0xec87e8dc VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=crypto ppDev=0xec87e8dc VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=tty ppDev=0xec87e8dc VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=tty ppDev=0xec87e8dc VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=tty ppDev=0xec87e8dc VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=tty ppDev=0xec87e8dc -- Iwao, Koichiro From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 13 22:46:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E93F1065670 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:46:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bjmccann@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f184.google.com (mail-yx0-f184.google.com [209.85.210.184]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAB738FC0C for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:46:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxe14 with SMTP id 14so22162010yxe.7 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:46:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=QYaTMhHwm8WVS/6PjaIsdomdFVzMS8zKPsCAObUywhg=; b=OSqixp1Kisgb9tGxchPZCg17MJE8lV+xoYqw8lIB6s5unOjtmMisziZJpmJx1VwaVo gaIa44lc11b1l7Ju4AzB5P7p9wohdtoMPXYugGiCFySkVHdAlgX+Z+LYUqULLKCnjIRf y6mNCup8TgjAw5JOqRvXVySKhMQ6UENiV49V8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=nJqtEiaF8iichuiT4fbHcvAMYM1XMRfIXN+6JXslaETjRnRGqDuwZly8kY9zIZcIat Lh0+FQgqKLla5I6IzGnm3viI4MSuJGTS3Pe8xBQ/JryG/WJFkdOXOgNbVxMvZ0Sp0rq5 YKxYtHGx3ftUkFU1+RJ9EDCI24Upzdcon9kS0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.87.17 with SMTP id p17mr4077529ybl.84.1255474001106; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:46:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4AD47563.8050206@ibctech.ca> References: <2b5f066d0910130531w7a7bf6aft81fd3782b7754e27@mail.gmail.com> <4AD47563.8050206@ibctech.ca> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:46:41 -0400 Message-ID: <2b5f066d0910131546u44a2db57ve8232c63b8d943d8@mail.gmail.com> From: Brian McCann To: Steve Bertrand Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Broadcom bce interface problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:46:42 -0000 On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Steve Bertrand wrote: > Brian McCann wrote: >> I'm having problems with the bce interface on a FreeBSD 7.2 install, usi= ng >> an IBM BladeCenter HS21 machine. =A0The machine uses the NetXtreme II ca= rd. >> =A0The really strange thing here is, the switch shows a link, but the ca= rd >> shows no carrier in the setup. =A0It started working for a few seconds a= t one >> point when I reset the switch (at least, I think that's what I did), and= it >> detected 1000BaseSX as the media and showed a status of active, but prom= ptly >> went away. =A0If I try setting the media type manually, that doesn't app= ear to >> work. >> Has anyone seen this or have any ideas? > > Try forcing the interface to 'up': > > # ifconfig bce0 up > > If that works, add it to the /etc/rc.conf: > > # echo 'ifconfig_bce0=3D"up"' >> /etc/rc.conf > > Steve > Thanks for the suggestion. I just tried it, but still get "no carrier" for the status. --Brian --=20 _-=3D-_-=3D-_-=3D-_-=3D-_-=3D-_-=3D-_-=3D-_-=3D-_-=3D-_-=3D-_-=3D-_ Brian McCann "I don't have to take this abuse from you -- I've got hundreds of people waiting to abuse me." -- Bill Murray, "Ghostbusters" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 14 01:19:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CA9C106566B for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 01:19:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f197.google.com (mail-yw0-f197.google.com [209.85.211.197]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 265D08FC12 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 01:19:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywh35 with SMTP id 35so34391873ywh.7 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:19:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=HaCgXQvC/dvQpKJrjPCTTPlTg2mpgOKVy7QmSkFGjpM=; b=S8kYZ5k7dLFiTNyE2wrEC0LYOGuWWEOzJFlKP0n7xMOdEbck8EPywKkEvgvoL2w9cU tXZxGasr7fQJ7piuh0uUTwTqGB3StxkvkqbLz9MEB1U26mf5b1w5e29TXBXZ515pU0Wf gcmKu0UJhnQdsOwOcqCHcxaaWSxc9JVtJE+oA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=WXxkrDIcQKvGDT1JHsxuY/pbgr56fGxdeRB4nvnyQ5+vkxHzWeSqb3uLdhYGYZ7tak LmdFhLXZQ4so3cxrkoklrWBrQxeugRTWzcMM+nk/nntDS8O3v9O9Ah+5a1CdBUKSZ7fl 4p59NhmGuJTDCTeeAr429+Kar5avzMp34jqV8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.113.3 with SMTP id l3mr13789727ybc.90.1255483142292; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:19:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4AD4FDC5.7010403@club.kyutech.ac.jp> References: <4AD4FDC5.7010403@club.kyutech.ac.jp> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:19:02 -0500 Message-ID: <6201873e0910131819x52854097y2297aae70136a98b@mail.gmail.com> From: Adam Vande More To: Kouichiro Iwao Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: too noisy virtualbox messages on dmesg X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 01:19:03 -0000 2009/10/13 Kouichiro Iwao > Hi. > > I'm using VirtualBox 3.0.51 on 8-RC1 and it is properly working > but too many messages are dumped on dmesg like below. > The message blows off which I really need. Please give me instructions > how to stop it or how to make it to be dumped somewhere else. > > [meta@trueno ~]$ dmesg | tail > VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=tty ppDev=0xec2e28dc > VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=tty ppDev=0xec1c78dc > VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=tty ppDev=0xec1738dc > VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=tty ppDev=0xec1738dc > VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=crypto ppDev=0xec87e8dc > VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=crypto ppDev=0xec87e8dc > VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=tty ppDev=0xec87e8dc > VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=tty ppDev=0xec87e8dc > VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=tty ppDev=0xec87e8dc > VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=tty ppDev=0xec87e8dc > > -- > Iwao, Koichiro > > Did you compile the port with debug enabled? I don't see those messages unless it is. unload vbox kernel modules cd /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox && make config deselect debug make && make deinstall install clean reload vbox kernel modules -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 13 23:39:57 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E48B1065679 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 23:39:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chrisstankevitz@yahoo.com) Received: from web52902.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web52902.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.49.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 20BD08FC1D for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 23:39:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 70755 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Oct 2009 23:39:56 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1255477196; bh=qH+blfMbeuWx96l+A8fwl4D2uyWB5Y4ELESZ3oGGXnA=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=HZqA3r4ghZl9VMD4qh+IqTFNDNZGsIk5G+X1hjLdi2xYTfS0Bv8D7DkhW/07V1W3Vso7NL6k/Fd4Hf0nXY4P5hHOZINvoKsV9CIDskmPnelAOn/NAmWmea2ecvtrvRANPf4EKQUgjKudQHNUDr7/m484GnXkD2v2/NgMxxVfyn4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ZsSqp5FcQPQuQetduzDANHpgbtgb6pPuvRowrKaPLmaEinc2rHxB2dG9U6aE9gKhkK9uJ+GyEQm/f8zWCcEINbgKapoyplS4Stay60V/R0shOvKh8w7g6bolPZrTqF8j7niaW0kOFaDXmsF9so7up+uOYACyQ7ee2jPJ5gd0PSM=; Message-ID: <521176.60565.qm@web52902.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: hW4W7cUVM1l.vvJ7caImraGF9uJbS9oBZ_4Rk2w1mQtEcVreAV6LZ8D9IshEF3of92RwI9h2QDMkfvq6O8J6AxGoaq4JmjW7ETMv3gHsOeenw7TrTvj0k05yKZO3HIzqMXxLIdiAbUl_HvaSvHHAmnGxeE445Q0e4OoxBGT0vXpPG_Tuk0cC6MdTvyVraPU_2Kv6WArHJ7T7L3pMaUJEh4bP5AT_OQWVAlBaFbTKt9b2oEJpDEtSJQtZTiFdL1rN9sGeMHTDtZn5nD.zZmPtoI_9GtzPOTv_Inz89fCL5_p.7JLPSrJThLVka2IwkMsx9MrmY4MjAesgcwBwTh65K7LaeZ1hEWUW2kk4Rye05qT6GjB5B_Q7ta34kFxyt7BjAIau5EWHIew_uMGrSJ1SFuU- Received: from [206.190.77.154] by web52902.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:39:56 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/7.0.14 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.3 Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:39:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Stankevitz To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 01:31:42 +0000 Subject: man quits back to the prompt after CTRL-G X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 23:39:57 -0000 Please try this: 1. at the prompt type "man man" to get the man manual page. 2. press CTRL-G to to to the bottom of the document 3. press k to scroll up one line You'll notice you cannot perform step 3 because man "quits back to the prompt after CTRL-G". Question: How can I make man not "quit back to the prompt after CTRL-G"? Thank you, Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 13 23:45:40 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54904106566C for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 23:45:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chrisstankevitz@yahoo.com) Received: from web52910.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web52910.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.49.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DD7448FC19 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 23:45:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 72943 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Oct 2009 23:45:39 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1255477539; bh=rhJp9LxWvkOU1P6QL/+trHj8/K1U7H90EVAYpUvFGiw=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=J3pkRFHM0W7aRhIwpXzyYTodJ8bvfrQD03x2TnsKqEvQ3orYRtzLw2MnePlGBSJYdne+3k6r4j0f8prXebQivGHNcKb1+NZRqk7Z6PBK8nKkhv9H1Q5XfTsoq3ONdNFidjl9qJq7V1vukcFuLwCK+WfSeE3hOAzf9Gl05KarbUU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=y2BYPxt39e93ph5Lnqrf94vTkRmHo38lr3uFrmhKlWqAOsb+IhUyCxgC+kCHiG3GCui9hs/H4djHn+pDI5yoP0i7oiz36XwGvTKa5uIAnN5FKyX5s1L0svJylkPn/jNqt+8r/9Mg8+C7xqGQh8Sp8gOTAHqjoSjup7DWQ7aHGc8=; Message-ID: <288486.72733.qm@web52910.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 9gWcwOcVM1leg7HnRj4jnsXqTMBGeK6MAHRiUqezMN2pEUxF68V5nc28q545gE8IAy2tmYW_8dJpze75bruSHwOHuHreyAJWOzLC_L7QMmnKq7nhM41rF2yvQKfuiBaV.7aWlPuegLgta0npyAxHzZmSDi0L7_v0ZaBxqKyZybpp970YD_MueAEQTDSlnSmRnRIPHeFRPleMzJ4vNDXyarOVs382eIjqOGadfEPly.u_O4MIc2JindLGEljw.5X9rjVpxMxu9d4U2d4uWA.RymaFE7MASu3KPVROICQPlnv6SX1A_lIHTJ7nCmknaeYc8qpWOw.Oa6Oox6WnRBIRE9Pe6r8sXJf5gqCqd7kqip9nFEb_LzXVMwNzSr0.rNI- Received: from [206.190.77.154] by web52910.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:45:38 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/7.0.14 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.3 Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:45:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Stankevitz To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 01:38:14 +0000 Subject: View font selection X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 23:45:40 -0000 Hello, Question: What command should I issue to see what each of my installed x11 fonts looks like? Thank you, Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 14 01:44:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5FC11065692 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 01:44:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66F718FC19 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 01:44:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.22]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 13 Oct 2009 21:44:48 -0400 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.10.7-GA) with ESMTP id QFZ45710; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:43:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-6-22-227.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.22.227]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 13 Oct 2009 21:43:52 -0400 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19157.11479.415746.171606@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:43:51 -0400 To: Chris Stankevitz In-Reply-To: <521176.60565.qm@web52902.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <521176.60565.qm@web52902.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: man quits back to the prompt after CTRL-G X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 01:44:48 -0000 Chris Stankevitz writes: > Please try this: > > 1. at the prompt type "man man" to get the man manual page. > 2. press CTRL-G to to to the bottom of the document > 3. press k to scroll up one line > > You'll notice you cannot perform step 3 because man "quits back > to the prompt after CTRL-G". > > Question: How can I make man not "quit back to the prompt after > CTRL-G"? On my system, the result of (1) and (2) is the screen remains at the first page of output and lines 1-34 byte 1821 (press RETURN) appears at the bottom of the screen in reverse video. Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 14 01:55:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ABF7106568F for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 01:55:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f214.google.com (mail-gx0-f214.google.com [209.85.217.214]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC7008FC16 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 01:55:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk6 with SMTP id 6so9904353gxk.13 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:55:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=A+yO0UexPRutjGbwkHR5tSLqheby6/UyZW5E/I7VKNA=; b=Up5FGI8osYA5irNoMxw6ZNxr6qViwIiOq0S8JJFGJbUfPNe5ve8Taihx61PdJf9J2k DhDQFpnepP/3GdrF4n2uyLwq6SwhUPV//yOqYB5j3dC70ZU8rcuKj0yd8wSlqjwYpDln fycZQez/4odmfL8aXNibnei5nMWjZnWJXGQdc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=b1kx1bbB4HQJWtXC1MjSI//jGTDiAVlLDKLfMADws0XKTMWXbMZNxdSg/txeAzn92M JecNjhXQTBvtBJQOMwaPMIVq73AaE2t8nwR7v0GyCiTCUmjqvT1AxBTwG8PpkEUjqJ9r zmiKnn83s6bBEk1cJFw7FVzDI3wkwybcDF8VA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.91.19.4 with SMTP id w4mr4764553agi.0.1255485305192; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:55:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <521176.60565.qm@web52902.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <521176.60565.qm@web52902.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:55:05 -0400 Message-ID: From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: Chris Stankevitz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: man quits back to the prompt after CTRL-G X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 01:55:06 -0000 2009/10/13 Chris Stankevitz : > Please try this: > > 1. at the prompt type "man man" to get the man manual page. > 2. press CTRL-G to to to the bottom of the document > 3. press k to scroll up one line > > You'll notice you cannot perform step 3 because man "quits back to the prompt after CTRL-G". > > Question: How can I make man not "quit back to the prompt after CTRL-G"? > from man 1 more: = or ^G or :f Prints some information about the file being viewed, including its name and the line number and byte offset of the bottom line being displayed. If possible, it also prints the length of the file, the number of lines in the file and the percent of the file above the last displayed line. so if you mean shift-G, then the default behaviour of more(1) is to exit when it reaches the end of the file, & (IIRC, obviously YMMV) the default pager is set to more. -- -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 14 02:15:11 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C65E81065672 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 02:15:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from meta@club.kyutech.ac.jp) Received: from mail1.asahi-net.or.jp (mail1.asahi-net.or.jp [202.224.39.197]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AAE98FC21 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 02:15:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.vmeta.jp (attsi1-src.asahi-net.or.jp [220.157.253.2]) by mail1.asahi-net.or.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77E9D8EE4C; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:15:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from rose.club.kyutech.ac.jp (rose.club.kyutech.ac.jp [131.206.108.6]) by smtp.vmeta.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 467E3AEBC0; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:15:08 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <4AD53429.8070704@club.kyutech.ac.jp> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:15:05 +0900 From: Kouichiro Iwao User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090828) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam Vande More References: <4AD4FDC5.7010403@club.kyutech.ac.jp> <6201873e0910131819x52854097y2297aae70136a98b@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6201873e0910131819x52854097y2297aae70136a98b@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: too noisy virtualbox messages on dmesg X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 02:15:11 -0000 Adam Vande More wrote: > Did you compile the port with debug enabled? I don't see those messages > unless it is. That was just because of debugging option, thanks. -- Iwao, Koichiro From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 14 02:22:21 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C7461065670 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 02:22:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bill@celestial.com) Received: from dorsai-02.celestial.com (dorsai-02.celestial.com [192.136.111.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6B988FC0C for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 02:22:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dorsai-02.celestial.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AC1920597DD for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:49:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at celestial.com Received: from dorsai-02.celestial.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dorsai-02.celestial.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id aPXMBCW9D9Ir for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:49:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ayn.mi.celestial.com (hayek.celestial.com [192.136.111.12]) by dorsai-02.celestial.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBF8220597DA for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:49:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ayn.mi.celestial.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0B4F68F3FF22; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:49:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mi.celestial.com Received: from ayn.mi.celestial.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ayn.mi.celestial.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id vGcuh+ADB0pm; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:49:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ayn.mi.celestial.com (Postfix, from userid 203) id C2C7A68EEA4A2; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:49:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:49:47 -0700 From: Bill Campbell To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20091014014947.GA13021@ayn.mi.celestial.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <521176.60565.qm@web52902.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <19157.11479.415746.171606@jerusalem.litteratus.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <19157.11479.415746.171606@jerusalem.litteratus.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 OpenPKG/% (2009-01-05) Subject: Re: man quits back to the prompt after CTRL-G X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@celestial.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 02:22:21 -0000 On Tue, Oct 13, 2009, Robert Huff wrote: > >Chris Stankevitz writes: > >> Please try this: >> >> 1. at the prompt type "man man" to get the man manual page. >> 2. press CTRL-G to to to the bottom of the document >> 3. press k to scroll up one line >> >> You'll notice you cannot perform step 3 because man "quits back >> to the prompt after CTRL-G". >> >> Question: How can I make man not "quit back to the prompt after >> CTRL-G"? The -e and -E options to less control this. You want neither of these specified if you don't want to have less automatically exit at end-of-file. The ``-e'' option causes it to exit the second time it hits eof while ``-E'' exits the first time. Bill -- INTERNET: bill@celestial.com Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC URL: http://www.celestial.com/ PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way Voice: (206) 236-1676 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820 Fax: (206) 232-9186 Skype: jwccsllc (206) 855-5792 Whenever a people entrust the defence of their country to a regular, standing army, composed of mercenaries, the power of that country will remain under the direction of the most wealthy citizens. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 14 06:06:29 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1049106566B for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 06:06:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=531f42b27=abhi_shukla@in.com) Received: from mx2.in.com (MX2.IN.com [123.108.40.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DF658FC1D for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 06:06:28 +0000 (UTC) DomainKey-Signature: s=irp2-01-r5-c1.spam.dc1; d=in.com; c=nofws; q=dns; h=To:X-Originating-IP:From:Message-ID:Date:Subject: Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=BzN8TVLl0wsvp6Z/YbnI7O+lw7T+mSQRc1oSfcpj0x7pE3EEruoDVi7g 4ZnHqrN6S8l3/izYCXwzD0gDUBqXh2HtN/n4F69OK2yIsTYpE+awbLKIY VWsnYGoQWJPhFpN; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=in.com; i=abhi_shukla@in.com; l=2057; q=dns/txt; s=irp2-01-r5-c1.spam.dc1; t=1255500389; x=1287036389; h=to:x-originating-ip:from:message-id:date:subject: reply-to:mime-version:content-type; z=To:=20questions@FreeBSD.org=20 |X-Originating-IP:=20122.173.90.212|From:=20"Abhilash=20 =20Shukla"=20|Message-ID:=20<12554997 34.7edccc661418aeb5761dbcdc06ad490c@mail.in.com>|Date:=20 Wed,=2014=20Oct=202009=2011:25:34=20+0530|Subject:=20=3D? 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 14 06:10:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 486FC1065670 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 06:10:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cstankevitz@toyon.com) Received: from smtp1.toyon.com (206-190-77-154.static.twtelecom.net [206.190.77.154]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1498C8FC13 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 06:10:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [172.16.1.49] (hosts253.toyon.com [65.160.147.253]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp1.toyon.com (8.13.1/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n9E6Exnx012407 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 23:14:59 -0700 Message-ID: <4AD56B3A.4070905@toyon.com> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 23:10:02 -0700 From: Chris Stankevitz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <521176.60565.qm@web52902.mail.re2.yahoo.com><19157.11479.415746.171606@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20091014014947.GA13021@ayn.mi.celestial.com> In-Reply-To: <20091014014947.GA13021@ayn.mi.celestial.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: man quits back to the prompt after CTRL-G X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 06:10:07 -0000 Bill Campbell wrote: > The -e and -E options to less control this. You want neither of > these specified if you don't want to have less automatically exit > at end-of-file. The ``-e'' option causes it to exit the second > time it hits eof while ``-E'' exits the first time. Bill, Thank you for your explanation. I hope to find that my PAGER environment variable is "less -E". If so, I will drop the -E. Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 14 07:02:37 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A198106566C for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 07:02:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from j.mckeown@ru.ac.za) Received: from c.mail.ru.ac.za (c.mail.ru.ac.za [IPv6:2001:4200:1010::25:3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76F328FC17 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 07:02:36 +0000 (UTC) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=ru-msa; d=ru.ac.za; h=Received:From:Organization:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:References:In-Reply-To:X-Face:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Message-Id:X-Virus-Scanned:X-Authenticated-User; b=fAJP4PLwdDkeUS5cqPxUGhDI5VC8l7jue5wd9FKbtJLRcJ34ryMTh0nV1Ser0SS2l/U0eNXBTQXy+j6y2zLDZNGNfYN3dmWIG/aG73P5HyP4e/4MNenAq4Hr9+YFQstd; Received: from vorkosigan.ru.ac.za ([2001:4200:1010:1058:219:d1ff:fe9f:a932]:64005) by c.mail.ru.ac.za with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1MxxsS-0006Ln-0W for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:02:28 +0200 From: Jonathan McKeown Organization: Rhodes University To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:02:27 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <2345d18f0910130813j6a2bbde0sec59647f44d43585@mail.gmail.com> <2345d18f0910130921g17b8d9fdy8fdb99bd5a0e8cf4@mail.gmail.com> <4AD4AE89.6010802@radel.com> In-Reply-To: <4AD4AE89.6010802@radel.com> X-Face: $@VrUx^RHy/}yu]jKf/<4T%/d|F+$j-Ol2"2J$q+%OK1]&/G_S9(=?utf-8?q?HkaQ*=60!=3FYOK=3FY!=27M=60C=0A=09aP=5C9nVPF8Q=7DCilHH8l=3B=7E!4?= =?utf-8?q?2HK6=273lg4J=7Daz?=@1Dqqh:J]M^"YPn*2IWrZON$1+G?oX3@ =?utf-8?q?k=230=0A=0954XDRg=3DYn=5FF-etwot4U=24b?=dTS{i X-Virus-Scanned: c.mail.ru.ac.za (2001:4200:1010::25:3) X-Authenticated-User: s0900137 from vorkosigan.ru.ac.za (2001:4200:1010:1058:219:d1ff:fe9f:a932) using auth_plaintext Subject: Re: NTP Client synchronization with a Windows 2003/2008 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 07:02:37 -0000 On Tuesday 13 October 2009 18:44:57 Jon Radel wrote: > Jacques Henry wrote: > > I commented the commands involved and nothing changed... (with only 10 > > minutes of time difference) > > The 19 minutes between when I sent my suggestions and you responded is > hardly enough time to see if ntpd was slewing the time. Slewing 587 > seconds takes days. > > > I even tried to "force" the sync: > > > > U450XA0A0800650>nstop ntp > > U450XA0A0800650>ntpd -x -n -q -c /var/ntp.conf > > U450XA0A0800650>nstart ntp > > Are you sure that -x in there, telling ntpd to not step unless the > offset is over 600 sec, doesn't override what you're trying to do with > the -q? How about you try simple: > > ntpdate the_windows_server > > and see what that does? After that look in /var/log/messages. > > > In fact I am still quite convinced that the MS implementation isn't > > totally compliant with the client... > > Could be, but ntpq was showing that your ntpd was accepting time data > from the Windows server at least on some level. Alternatively, from the commandline try ntpd -g -q -c /etc/ntp.conf The -g flag allows ntpd to set the clock once regardless of the offset and the -q causes it to quit after setting the time. In /etc/rc.conf, all you should need is ntpd_enable="YES" ntpd_sync_on_start="YES" The second option adds -g to the ntpd flags, allowing it to set the clock at startup and continue running. Jonathan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 14 08:10:37 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C0161065694 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:10:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@shute.org.uk) Received: from atmail-8.bnguk.net (atmail-8.bnguk.net [80.74.253.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B2C08FC12 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:10:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 54-144.adsl.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.54.144] helo=orange.esperance-linux.co.uk) by atmail-8.bnguk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MxywN-000282-5S; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:10:35 +0100 Received: by orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 768354AC1B; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:10:30 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:10:30 +0100 From: Frank Shute To: Chris Stankevitz Message-ID: <20091014081030.GA50437@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Chris Stankevitz , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20091014014947.GA13021@ayn.mi.celestial.com> <4AD56B3A.4070905@toyon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4AD56B3A.4070905@toyon.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Face: *}~{PHnDTzvXPe'wl_-f%!@+r5; VLhb':*DsX%wEOPg\fDrXWQJf|2\,92"DdS%63t*BHDyQ|OWo@Gfjcd72eaN!4%NE{0]p)ihQ1MyFNtWL X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.2-RC2 amd64 X-Organisation: 'shute.org.uk' Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: man quits back to the prompt after CTRL-G X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Shute List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:10:37 -0000 On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:10:02PM -0700, Chris Stankevitz wrote: > > Bill Campbell wrote: > >The -e and -E options to less control this. You want neither of > >these specified if you don't want to have less automatically exit > >at end-of-file. The ``-e'' option causes it to exit the second > >time it hits eof while ``-E'' exits the first time. > > Bill, > > Thank you for your explanation. I hope to find that my PAGER > environment variable is "less -E". If so, I will drop the -E. > > Chris > Chris, Set $PAGER to "less" and then set $LESS to something reasonable in your shells rc/profile. E.g On my machine: LESS="-Xrmj3z-3 -Pm?f%f\:\ .?pb%pb\%\ :?lt%lt. .?e(END)" All explained in less(1) Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 14 09:22:12 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 282AC1065670 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:22:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ricardo.meb.jesus@gmail.com) Received: from gate.criticalsoftware.com (gate.criticalsoftware.com [62.28.132.186]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D90358FC13 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:22:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.62] (unknown [192.168.1.62]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gate.criticalsoftware.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 162E5228532; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:22:10 +0100 (WEST) Message-ID: <4AD59844.203@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:22:12 +0100 From: Ricardo Jesus User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Stankevitz References: <288486.72733.qm@web52910.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <288486.72733.qm@web52910.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: View font selection X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: ricardo.m.jesus@criticalsoftware.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:22:12 -0000 Chris Stankevitz wrote: > Hello, > > Question: What command should I issue to see what each of my installed x11 fonts looks like? > > Thank you, > > Chris > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > xfontsel. To install the port: cd /usr/ports/x11-fonts/xfontsel/ && make install clean ; rehash To use it: xfontsel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 14 11:25:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EF15106566C for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:25:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from a_best01@uni-muenster.de) Received: from zivm-exrelay1.uni-muenster.de (ZIVM-EXRELAY1.UNI-MUENSTER.DE [128.176.192.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B98368FC08 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:25:08 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,557,1249250400"; d="scan'208";a="285454326" Received: from zivmaildisp1.uni-muenster.de (HELO ZIVMAILUSER04.UNI-MUENSTER.DE) ([128.176.188.85]) by zivm-relay1.uni-muenster.de with ESMTP; 14 Oct 2009 13:25:07 +0200 Received: by ZIVMAILUSER04.UNI-MUENSTER.DE (Postfix, from userid 149459) id 2B7DC1B07BC; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:25:07 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:25:06 +0200 (CEST) From: Alexander Best Sender: Organization: Westfaelische Wilhelms-Universitaet Muenster To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: some issues with 9-CURRENT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:25:09 -0000 since my first question got answers, here are answers to questions 2 and 3: 2: there's a problem report here: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=kern/108968 this still exists in CURRENT 3: i believe it takes so long to do fsck on a device in background mode because a snapshot has to be taken first. i decided i'd rather wait for a few minutes instead of running a system for half an hour which is incredibly slow. i simply added the following to /etc/rc.conf: background_fsck="NO" cheers. alex From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 14 11:37:57 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A227A106566C for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:37:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from atmblr@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f214.google.com (mail-gx0-f214.google.com [209.85.217.214]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AD018FC20 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:37:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk6 with SMTP id 6so10224538gxk.13 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 04:37:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=XlyfTeQqTvTGCImknQPeNrPjS8Pn8IUb4E4mpTBKiDE=; b=SFsWfQjQh0Y3rtnjPHJjYnukPkvZSsn1kSXFwlI2jEUA0lBoBS/rVA38eMVV2dFvPl XbPZFW3NYy6PCcmPEuXeqTRshPqtvp0MzPpI7iHtjfqqthTxR/m5GMzBriWzilzdDYZO sYa1cGhKwd4XMuy53tcByg1+xsBf+b3cOr/qQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=ulYpT8qw4M2ABSQlxz4o++v0XIFUE1rQ3Tpbinm3RfuKf7WG+T2JL5nVgPYZqLySPy fa4jeuSbAOl1VAMg6GYZHwc1BBNrDzTe6UNvvmzMaVe7tVhrRKVwN6WwiJpgqj8yZg0z RML13hnDXDNnoTYixrPCFrxHJrwOliIfZLwG0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.59.17 with SMTP id m17mr7079212ank.13.1255518313262; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 04:05:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20091014081030.GA50437@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> References: <20091014014947.GA13021@ayn.mi.celestial.com> <4AD56B3A.4070905@toyon.com> <20091014081030.GA50437@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:35:13 +0530 Message-ID: From: Ashok TM To: Frank Shute , Chris Stankevitz , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: man quits back to the prompt after CTRL-G X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:37:57 -0000 send me ur citiback card no On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Frank Shute wrote: > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:10:02PM -0700, Chris Stankevitz wrote: > > > > Bill Campbell wrote: > > >The -e and -E options to less control this. You want neither of > > >these specified if you don't want to have less automatically exit > > >at end-of-file. The ``-e'' option causes it to exit the second > > >time it hits eof while ``-E'' exits the first time. > > > > Bill, > > > > Thank you for your explanation. I hope to find that my PAGER > > environment variable is "less -E". If so, I will drop the -E. > > > > Chris > > > > Chris, > > Set $PAGER to "less" and then set $LESS to something reasonable in > your shells rc/profile. > > E.g On my machine: > > LESS="-Xrmj3z-3 -Pm?f%f\:\ .?pb%pb\%\ :?lt%lt. .?e(END)" > > All explained in less(1) > > Regards, > > -- > > Frank > > Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 14 11:41:38 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7428106566B for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:41:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nealhogan@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f197.google.com (mail-yw0-f197.google.com [209.85.211.197]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70ED88FC23 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:41:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywh35 with SMTP id 35so35647373ywh.7 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 04:41:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=gmtrTBbmfoq8/qSJzsVLpKIbfnwF05O9W75v72bzDys=; b=lvwii5WTiq4EqASiNlRj/KDoJGyRQbaqcyfaX+7DT2EBjcWVXsG1nALP8lK4fnBg1W 7YiF+vPxTHQzRfyklAyZmMh0d0WZLemlj4VFCfD+GV6c/tt/wztbr+/C6wLYEEdvlRYm +/LI2291BuVpJE8jQ497v3QsDcHa8IG2rqJ/E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=oNpbPZaap92Rue1F7mxOuuwfZUmeJQ2B2PTg058DPmdRBy1TQoqM2j4gEY7DN73Edm cBCE1Ma4rFEeHQtRoY9To8R+I2/8nu4q1wTVb8NJVQLQe8SXv/dBgAq/W7mCrooKpx68 +s/wqkOx7YdP7/+WJAI7lMDvAGTRrlqCalJzM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.16.27 with SMTP id 27mr14637454ybp.335.1255520497781; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 04:41:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1255499734.7edccc661418aeb5761dbcdc06ad490c@mail.in.com> References: <1255499734.7edccc661418aeb5761dbcdc06ad490c@mail.in.com> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 06:41:37 -0500 Message-ID: From: Neal Hogan To: Abhilash Shukla Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: Problem regarding free BSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:41:38 -0000 On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:55 AM, Abhilash Shukla wro= te: > Hello,Respected Sir/Madam,Actually i tried to install free BSD on my >sys= tem, I have 1 TB hard disk of 500GB X 2 in which i made a partition in >one= of my hard disk which even contains some data. Unfortunately i lost >all m= y data, as i think but its truly very important for me. As after the >compl= etion of the installation part when i tried to boot into it, i was unable >= to do so, now i installed Windows XP into my system and tried to access >th= e other hard disk but still i can't. As when i installed BSD in other >part= ition why i am not able to access the other drive in the same hard >drive. = Please help me how can i recover my data.Thank You,Abhilash >Shukla.Dear qu= estions@FreeBSD.org ! Get Yourself a cool, short @in.com >Email ID now! As far as I understand, the data on the partition you put freeBSD on is gone. You should have noticed the warning during install that warned of this. Concerning XP and "looking" at other partitions, (as far as I understand) you should install XP first and then install freeBSD with a bootloader that will allow you (easier) access to all of the OS's. MS doesn't like to share disk space. Perhaps I misunderstood your situation concerning the "loss" of data. If so, there is open source data recovery software out there. I can't think of the names right now, but I'm sure you have the necessary searching skills to find them yourself. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 14 11:59:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 508781065679 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:59:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@nabble.com) Received: from kuber.nabble.com (kuber.nabble.com [216.139.236.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 257CE8FC13 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:59:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from isper.nabble.com ([192.168.236.156]) by kuber.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1My2WB-00033V-5k for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 04:59:47 -0700 Message-ID: <25889720.post@talk.nabble.com> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 04:59:47 -0700 (PDT) From: henter2009 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Nabble-From: jeronimocalvop@googlemail.com Subject: test please ignore X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:59:48 -0000 test please ignore -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/test-please-ignore-tp25889720p25889720.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 14 12:08:49 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA3C6106566C for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:08:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@nabble.com) Received: from kuber.nabble.com (kuber.nabble.com [216.139.236.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CC188FC1D for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:08:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from isper.nabble.com ([192.168.236.156]) by kuber.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1My2ev-0003yE-16 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 05:08:49 -0700 Message-ID: <25889863.post@talk.nabble.com> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 05:08:49 -0700 (PDT) From: henter2009 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <4A89248A.6040700@otenet.gr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Nabble-From: jeronimocalvop@googlemail.com References: <4A88FA02.30405@mapper.nl> <4A89248A.6040700@otenet.gr> Subject: Re: howto install virtualbox X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:08:49 -0000 anyone can give some references of this? any kind how to explanation will be more than welcome :D Manolis Kiagias-2 wrote: > > Mark Stapper wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I'm currently migrating my home desktop from Gentoo linux to FreeBSD >> 8.0(Beta but it'll be "Stable" soon. Using RELENG_8 btw). >> I'm kind of a OS collector/nut/geek/nerd. As such virtualization is >> quite important to me. >> I've been using VMware Server 2.x on Gentoo for quite some time and, >> apart from the new console *barf*, it's been working for me so far. >> So needless to say I was hoping for vmware support. Tough luck... Ow >> well, the handbook spoke of virtualbox support. Only OSE, but still, >> better than nothing. >> After trying virtualbox on windows(at work) I decided to give it a go on >> FreeBSD amd64... >> Issuing make install in the virtualbox directory complained about me not >> having any 32-bit libraries installed. >> My questions are two fold: >> 1. Which options do I have when it comes to vritualization on FreeBSD 8 >> amd64? >> 2. How do I install virtualbox on amd64? >> >> Thanks, >> Mark >> >> > I don't have a suitable amd64 system to test, but apparently virtualbox > on amd64 requires this option to be built into the kernel: > > COMPAT_IA32 > > for latest info check the wiki page, as virtualbox is under heavy > development: > > http://wiki.freebsd.org/VirtualBox > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/howto-install-virtualbox-tp25001665p25889863.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 14 12:26:25 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCB14106566C for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:26:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f222.google.com (mail-fx0-f222.google.com [209.85.220.222]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53DE58FC19 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:26:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm22 with SMTP id 22so10347215fxm.36 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 05:26:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=kS0ONrOCTRsBzdHTL/K4NZALpdfEu1+i8E5oHE37hpk=; b=w/BVE2ltQAdmAW+vExNwMzYXrIwy3Sr3TPdqq8L5jzYQjWWb4x2y8oYbDoo0NmIqlv qoxyePEPCvsK2WstG0gPT8f+0C49pP4+LU3gj9MPLl5SEXc9dUcpMJk0Tr3RnjxlMU2/ ekF/sh76C0q0jOi7h8U6EgpB/98zVYGKochSc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; b=Kt0E9F0iOcC5qo6T8TU8HFa2HGz7VM5/RTvRrGXZCSYkjoE0fSO8jRrvRXqu0Yl6PE qAyo5VJkNGCVXoPQAP/JR4qZA2qB58H+7ggNL1MEJD8T0RNbioTzZd5RVgscWbVCXoRW 9zEZeNxE6IffOfjmN2MIAstQsb2PiZ+ofkxNA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.160.85 with SMTP id m21mr7174705bkx.175.1255523184160; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 05:26:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <25889720.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <25889720.post@talk.nabble.com> From: Chris Rees Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:26:04 +0100 Message-ID: To: henter2009 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: test please ignore X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:26:25 -0000 2009/10/14 henter2009 : > > test please ignore > -- > View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/test-please-ignore-tp25889720p25889720.html > Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > This is not the list to test on. http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-test Please use it. Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 14 13:58:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA8821065672 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:58:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fsilvaleandro@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f197.google.com (mail-yw0-f197.google.com [209.85.211.197]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 786578FC18 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:58:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywh35 with SMTP id 35so36017648ywh.7 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 06:57:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=lXHX3YhLBt3gSg9dvEtyceEES3Z5hFzh/XMxI9c/RxM=; b=gJjOuS32svEX8wrQmZhX4HLv2xJblOnzkhmGKccaTK04zFpa4WNQ+CtV2d3UFl+kdj mLVZ1dKXl3z2QfW7IDxJ1b2J7B2loRs3RdKq2r3+ifMmOUIjhVug3sM1QTY1UowJLX8+ jmcw3ZE09utCwmLj53N5sV31zkTA126OCT2jc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=lUjZBQi1e9amVTtXhoPl89Jx55zNp8KQwLuCVZvv7QXxEyX9wKRTP+UKFiP6J4OLvt dDh6/0K/go6hmxE2IXzmOlq5WY472b7KBGoDLFn27iKwg0ajMmHf9BOEJxpYb6k/lALO AS6EXREEI0hSuk5Ub0mjW6URIz1d9BCj7bZX4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.183.11 with SMTP id g11mr15094383ybf.50.1255528679049; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 06:57:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:57:58 -0300 Message-ID: <28f938b10910140657v71b12287v49ab6d0b29ae4b3f@mail.gmail.com> From: Leandro F Silva To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Linux compatibility in FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:58:00 -0000 Dears, Does anyone know or already configured the linux compatibility in FreeBSD to install rpm packages and so on. Actually I'm running the i386 7.2 FreeBSD and the following package. %pkg_info |grep linu linux_base-fc-4_14 Base set of packages needed in Linux mode (for i386/amd64) I already saw the linux compatibility in the hand book of FreeBSD, but I didn't find too much information regarding rpm packages. Is there any way to do it ? any help is really welcome ! Thank you all in advance. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 14 14:13:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 002671065679 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:13:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bill@celestial.com) Received: from dorsai-02.celestial.com (dorsai-02.celestial.com [192.136.111.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD6A08FC29 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:13:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dorsai-02.celestial.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 475D02059DAE for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 07:13:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at celestial.com Received: from dorsai-02.celestial.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dorsai-02.celestial.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id OX3hhMqxRlaX for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 07:13:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ayn.mi.celestial.com (hayek.celestial.com [192.136.111.12]) by dorsai-02.celestial.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15A0E2059DAA for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 07:13:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ayn.mi.celestial.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1060168F3FF22; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 07:13:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mi.celestial.com Received: from ayn.mi.celestial.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ayn.mi.celestial.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id V0F7hTnNcS2R; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 07:12:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ayn.mi.celestial.com (Postfix, from userid 203) id E5AD568EEA4AD; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 07:12:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 07:12:59 -0700 From: Bill Campbell To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20091014141259.GA14005@ayn.mi.celestial.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <521176.60565.qm@web52902.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <19157.11479.415746.171606@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20091014014947.GA13021@ayn.mi.celestial.com> <4AD56B3A.4070905@toyon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4AD56B3A.4070905@toyon.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 OpenPKG/% (2009-01-05) Subject: Re: man quits back to the prompt after CTRL-G X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@celestial.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:13:01 -0000 On Tue, Oct 13, 2009, Chris Stankevitz wrote: > Bill Campbell wrote: >> The -e and -E options to less control this. You want neither of >> these specified if you don't want to have less automatically exit >> at end-of-file. The ``-e'' option causes it to exit the second >> time it hits eof while ``-E'' exits the first time. > > Bill, > > Thank you for your explanation. I hope to find that my PAGER > environment variable is "less -E". If so, I will drop the -E. You probably also want the ``-r'' option which I think gets less to properly highlight the nroff things like bold. Bill -- INTERNET: bill@celestial.com Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC URL: http://www.celestial.com/ PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way Voice: (206) 236-1676 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820 Fax: (206) 232-9186 Skype: jwccsllc (206) 855-5792 It is no crime to be ignorant of economics, which is, after all, a specialized discipline and one that most people consider to be a 'dismal science.' But it is totally irresponsible to have a loud and vociferous opinion on economic subjects while remaining in this state of ignorance. -- Murray N. Rothbard From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 14 14:43:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFB5D106566C for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:43:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B92F8FC1E for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:43:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id d23so1895555fga.13 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 07:43:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=xfZnJf0C220AI0LQnkfsKMm+CK7fqPII13WSwq30fWA=; b=wc729duQh2FsnuLaJqFOnzg/tEoqHtWH80ttUHMXlxWtY+YAPeWHJM6VvzcMyEwZE1 T+81lFBynl82+yRfmddomtnhAXfQGi4ehHBrLFWv688ZT8PpuSt2IT0iVbInGUw5/dTM Qs+ZT86uvGwClHzTpWdUY4pBRvIwnP4PGeseg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=v8tNkBnx4zvXX2ZyrFv+ErhqbLqrFpVfFr3YTmd3rHcRnkl0EwZ9OLHoNUAI/PK6NX 1gDZT9TrnIKuS/UdH43XQQC+0aH5uvQJ53KLrcrH7sHWJGkP632SyloISo+7uQVXm7aH xuB4CYrDqJ8UXeGfDn3n39W5FyxwwnwhBNNrs= Received: by 10.87.62.6 with SMTP id p6mr129302fgk.10.1255531422398; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 07:43:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm102771fgg.28.2009.10.14.07.43.40 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 14 Oct 2009 07:43:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:43:38 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20091014154338.7e48aa87@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <4AD56B3A.4070905@toyon.com> References: <521176.60565.qm@web52902.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <19157.11479.415746.171606@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20091014014947.GA13021@ayn.mi.celestial.com> <4AD56B3A.4070905@toyon.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.16.6; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: man quits back to the prompt after CTRL-G X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:43:44 -0000 On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 23:10:02 -0700 Chris Stankevitz wrote: > Bill Campbell wrote: > > The -e and -E options to less control this. You want neither of > > these specified if you don't want to have less automatically exit > > at end-of-file. The ``-e'' option causes it to exit the second > > time it hits eof while ``-E'' exits the first time. > > Bill, > > Thank you for your explanation. I hope to find that my PAGER > environment variable is "less -E". If so, I will drop the -E. I think it's sufficient simply to change your pager to "less". IIRC it defaults to "more". "more" and "less" are the same binary in FreeBSD, but they work slightly differently according to how they are invoked. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 14 15:06:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76D24106568D for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:06:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@ipt.ru) Received: from services.ipt.ru (services.ipt.ru [194.62.233.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31B5E8FC0A for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:06:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bb.ipt.ru ([194.62.233.89]) by services.ipt.ru with esmtp (Exim 4.54 (FreeBSD)) id 1My5R0-000Gus-2s; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:06:38 +0400 To: Alexander Best References: From: Boris Samorodov Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:06:38 +0400 In-Reply-To: (Alexander Best's message of "Tue\, 13 Oct 2009 21\:21\:16 +0200 \(CEST\)") Message-ID: <20900529@bb.ipt.ru> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: whacky `fc-list` output X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:06:42 -0000 On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:21:16 +0200 (CEST) Alexander Best wrote: > hi there, > when i do `fc-list` the output looks rather odd. `fc-cache -f` doesn't help. > the output looks the same using different shells. Those messages seem to be UTF-8 formatted. I use UTF-8 locale and iso10646 font. Here is a head of `fc-list`: ----- CourierNew:style=PSMT-BoldItalic Lucida Console:style=Обычный,Normal,obyÄejné,Standard,Κανονικά,Regular,Normaali,Normál,Normale,Standaard,Normalny,Navadno ,Arrunta AcademyPSCyr:style=Regular Utopia:style=Bold Italic CollegePSCyr:style=Regular DejaVu Serif,DejaVu Serif Condensed:style=Condensed,Book Times New Roman:style=Обычный,Normal,obyÄejné,Standard,Κανονικά,Regular,Normaali,Normál,Normale,Standaard,Normalny,Normá lne,Navadno,thÆ°á»ng, Arrunta ----- -- WBR, Boris Samorodov (bsam) Research Engineer, http://www.ipt.ru Telephone & Internet SP FreeBSD Committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 14 15:31:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02646106566B for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:31:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@t41t.com) Received: from rcpt.cat.pdx.edu (unknown [IPv6:2610:10:20:208:2e0:81ff:fe5c:af2e]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADF4E8FC17 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:31:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nemo.ece.pdx.edu (nemo.ece.pdx.edu [131.252.209.162]) by rcpt.cat.pdx.edu (8.14.2/8.14.2/Debian-2build1) with ESMTP id n9EFV1A4025217 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:31:01 -0700 Received: from nemo.ece.pdx.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nemo.ece.pdx.edu (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n9EFV0Hi002085 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:31:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tait@localhost) by nemo.ece.pdx.edu (8.13.6/8.12.6/Submit) id n9EFV0Gw002084 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:31:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: nemo.ece.pdx.edu: tait set sender to freebsd@t41t.com using -f Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:31:00 -0700 From: freebsd@t41t.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20091014153100.GH22136@ece.pdx.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (rcpt.cat.pdx.edu [131.252.208.107]); Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:31:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=6.0 tests=none autolearn=failed version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on rcpt.cat.pdx.edu X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.2 at rcpt.cat.pdx.edu X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Graphics card recommendation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:31:04 -0000 I'm in need of a new graphics card for a new computer, that I hope will run FreeBSD (with a strong preference for AMD64) and compiz-fusion on a dual-monitor, which I believe means the 3D acceleration has to be in good working order. I don't really care whether the graphics driver is binary, or freely-licensed. Has anyone bought a recent graphics card that they know to be working in x64 with 3D acceleration? I've heard Nvidea support is probably better than ATI. Some of the GPU choices I see are like GeForce 9400/9500/9600 GT, GSO, and/or GTX+ series or the GTS/GTX 2** series. Are some of those better-supported than others? I didn't see anything recent on this list or the website, and there wasn't much response on IRC. Recommendations would be appreciated. Thanks! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 14 15:47:27 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 241EC1065672 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:47:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f184.google.com (mail-yx0-f184.google.com [209.85.210.184]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5EAE8FC14 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:47:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxe14 with SMTP id 14so24381690yxe.7 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:47:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=FL6c0/opwfr+Y5Q5zAxo70dYq+al0t4u5giBjt/diLs=; b=w9wzTrWAOeW2pdXnNYKKMNMRjEurFyd8rBSCwYISTxXiYbNZeNnAObpfymsxQgLz5L 90A5VQB3X/g5tFrSVRaFxE8hPfE+Di/cm7S/IQySRxKHeENbxBaGYtAsKnT+zqxWij6u wscX1FZhSx3AEon7KQm3Fq4xpw1aQBu/65stI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=B/u1LeaiOxVEJdZYkpIIJOihFs2/lB6CfzXfyqzQTNlyl7FX4BmyNBrZVVY/sVC9Sg ZDg4OHFsXa9HBEIc2omyJkzl029Vh/3HDKgQENAO3LdwpluqquZjel29FtNnR5uwmMJ7 kbLuxmr7W3JzbFBIjGpa3gCwHDNg7D9cdtTNA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.181.67 with SMTP id l3mr635587hbg.201.1255535244716; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:47:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:47:24 +0100 Message-ID: From: krad To: Free BSD Questions list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: zfs root X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:47:27 -0000 Hi, I have a quick question about freebsd on zfs root. I have built a few test systems all work fine. I have one question though. Does the loader replay any information when it accesses the pool? Basically im interested in how or what is done on reboot after the kernel panic or power loss. Are there any safe guards with regard to the zpool integrity? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 14 15:49:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05B8A1065670 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:49:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bjmccann@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f184.google.com (mail-yx0-f184.google.com [209.85.210.184]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 873BA8FC08 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:49:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxe14 with SMTP id 14so24386942yxe.7 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:49:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=UM9SQ15uK/HjjY1HnWwIGReyVHG754URCgX8CIsz5Qw=; b=OcV3JAtJHeD83b6ZCrP9sMaJdiJ3+LaS8ub6x+hpRsd0UIS273tPBc8flCTy/03ZL6 Hx5OXUXTAy7YoE1FUQzGbD+H2UYdv1b6KeVLa2KY4887NDf8k0S4vjMrvX+FeSRxk1CC mrQfMnYVyV2MNnbikJQhlcwXLuZ/NW+4wAnvA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=TGQDzE6IK3CJOc3hsIld8Pp/eap9hcN+VtZCJ+uxsT5LJcJnaksCaQOPpCrU4JANnv DYJ57KobqLeAiiD0cfKrUuwjtwuIQOPK3WYK1PJ2UmOiM3Slcj2r0haFstCqT5EF10Zy fBfPXxVsnvRKVXPeKqnTkBWgFYhbyCJfZWk+k= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.237.10 with SMTP id k10mr15219052ybh.112.1255535350601; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:49:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4AD5C17B.1000102@sepehrs.com> References: <2b5f066d0910130531w7a7bf6aft81fd3782b7754e27@mail.gmail.com> <4AD5C17B.1000102@sepehrs.com> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:49:10 -0400 Message-ID: <2b5f066d0910140849q696fd00bl83e4879a3179c9ec@mail.gmail.com> From: Brian McCann To: "H.Fazaeli" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Broadcom bce interface problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:49:13 -0000 On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 8:18 AM, H.Fazaeli wrote: > what type of blade switch you are using? > Are you using HS21 onboard ports or an expansion card? > > Make sure the corresponding internal ports of > the blade switch are at 'no shutdown' state. > > > Brian McCann wrote: >> >> I'm having problems with the bce interface on a FreeBSD 7.2 install, usi= ng >> an IBM BladeCenter HS21 machine. =A0The machine uses the NetXtreme II ca= rd. >> =A0The really strange thing here is, the switch shows a link, but the ca= rd >> shows no carrier in the setup. =A0It started working for a few seconds a= t >> one >> point when I reset the switch (at least, I think that's what I did), and >> it >> detected 1000BaseSX as the media and showed a status of active, but >> promptly >> went away. =A0If I try setting the media type manually, that doesn't app= ear >> to >> work. >> Has anyone seen this or have any ideas? >> Thanks! >> --Brian >> >> > > -- > > Best regards. > Hooman Fazaeli > > > > > Yes, I'm using an HS21 onbaord card...the Broadcom. The internal ports show a link (using the Nortel manager...it's got a the Nortel L3-7 switch in it). I found http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=3D118238 last night...it looks like that change was never commited by anyone...I'm working on recompiling that into 7.1 now and plan on trying it once it's done. I'll post the results up here (and to freebsd-net as well if it works). I'm really hoping that works...since I really would like to avoid installing VMWare ESXi on 14 blades just to run 1 VM in each of them and loose performance. I'll keep y'all posted. --Brian --=20 _-=3D-_-=3D-_-=3D-_-=3D-_-=3D-_-=3D-_-=3D-_-=3D-_-=3D-_-=3D-_-=3D-_ Brian McCann "I don't have to take this abuse from you -- I've got hundreds of people waiting to abuse me." -- Bill Murray, "Ghostbusters" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 14 15:50:20 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 046E81065694 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:50:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@ipt.ru) Received: from services.ipt.ru (services.ipt.ru [194.62.233.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01AF28FC15 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:50:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bb.ipt.ru ([194.62.233.89]) by services.ipt.ru with esmtp (Exim 4.54 (FreeBSD)) id 1My67F-000HQZ-CB; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:50:17 +0400 To: Leandro F Silva References: <28f938b10910140657v71b12287v49ab6d0b29ae4b3f@mail.gmail.com> From: Boris Samorodov Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:50:17 +0400 In-Reply-To: <28f938b10910140657v71b12287v49ab6d0b29ae4b3f@mail.gmail.com> (Leandro F. Silva's message of "Wed\, 14 Oct 2009 10\:57\:58 -0300") Message-ID: <99467910@bb.ipt.ru> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Linux compatibility in FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:50:20 -0000 On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:57:58 -0300 Leandro F Silva wrote: > Does anyone know or already configured the linux compatibility in FreeBSD to > install rpm packages and so on. hm, actually (almost) all linux applications are installed using RPM packages. Did you mean using linux RPM database? > Actually I'm running the i386 7.2 FreeBSD and the following package. > %pkg_info |grep linu > linux_base-fc-4_14 Base set of packages needed in Linux mode (for > i386/amd64) FYI: You may use `pkg_info -Ix linux_base` for this. > I already saw the linux compatibility in the hand book of FreeBSD, but I > didn't find too much information regarding rpm packages. > Is there any way to do it ? any help is really welcome ! Using RPM database is not supported since FreeBSD has its own package database for all applications including linux ones. Said that I don't mean it doesn't work. If you need to use RPM database to register applications that does not exist at ports you may give it a try. But the best way is to create ports for those applications and install them from ports. BTW, they really don't need to exist at the official portstree. You may place them, say, to /usr/ports/local. A PR with them will be a good thing though. -- WBR, Boris Samorodov (bsam) Research Engineer, http://www.ipt.ru Telephone & Internet SP FreeBSD Committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 14 16:00:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E1E21065676 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:00:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: from smtp101.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (smtp101.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.13.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 257A58FC17 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:00:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 25593 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2009 16:00:15 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Reply-To:Organization:X-Mailer:Face:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=URKBBdo3Qssiu49d0ICUPojHo2HbO+2fQ12uHzXIiDFMnX2bWIMgMpcVDS860tLUQoyQzjJAkkpPUBRbbNfMNPxxTgtXlFWeGuy8SUCtu+GWhVtKVVXBR7rTo22pg70hJGhejKOA3ZOayUJkXtSOl7/fByR+5adv6/gxqImmQvc= ; Received: from c-67-189-183-172.hsd1.ny.comcast.net (gesbbb@67.189.183.172 with login) by smtp101.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2009 09:00:14 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: yeAAMgKswBATCul4lSbCWspvTA-- X-YMail-OSG: 04psV2sVM1kC1dawQzXfEw8pFTc321TJ9SB7pRRtCcep2rhkorWLRdPhaqIlk.4lWItKPQazZFDyusdHFnwyTQD0HQ3_JHwDt5qxcpddIw9qabQfpJgo3K444tujIjOArgAXEU_o700767vZ5aWdgIkS3iJS9tLDLNEwlTwz0TcC9GdRjCn6Ti7b1l4Yy1f_bzD928kI.SWRUFd8yYISDq.GD56zIER.hoHBkXsaTCjTLjLgzgLkcGBTIPnd1OwqFw5IWi2ytI5_7DbxS4HZzftkNaTku07JKqPbdB7K3ZsfK_CqHffE6BYms10E4RKtB5jJJr1bupphohqfmRgekxwiECvibRdOcKR.0staudF.d8lS2eMycdw_DJhQkD5mJNMDVlOqTtY9jvf4srDhBlI- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (scorpio.seibercom.net [192.168.1.103]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: gesbbb@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3734D2282A for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:59:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:59:49 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20091014115949.33b1adb4@scorpio.seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <20091014153100.GH22136@ece.pdx.edu> References: <20091014153100.GH22136@ece.pdx.edu> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.16.6; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAGFBMVEX+/v7++v6YOTrq8PCcuIX989UvOSj++v0BNCbpAAAAB3RJTUUHsQwfFzs7RBhzUQAAAhJJREFUOI1dU8GOqzAMNKIoV1bvwD1i0ysqrHplIdBrVSX7ATSbd03VVvn9tQNtQy0hjAdn7LED4AAcPtWm9RV+MPSfxhBLx9ajd6X/ngB6/mTwnRSZua7i7Ca+0ctZKo4Qmz+JY13X6I3nFZBxIYW1PbgfQ5RP8g0XlltEWGf3cV03joYpRnFbvYDKbXjZlXyyhEZA4lI+cN3NaVXE4VKjSwTExO10eTEkkJVqIAD5z0nUBQJluQDRSQjcrBiHAJxZlAH5CUMBMC7OcJ4LMQNnxhZ1HYPscMc6J4UlWRMNwzOpCcAHKSICd1EDn83abdREIbXsHkD1OinP1aCUCOEVRaa1lMcvywUWdYgk13JQUpYNKmvXQ8Kw5ML9YI5h8SakctBc7E/IYuLhYd/zZIk+1gM1vNweQBvHE0j+oYah3sMqAytQYlZk6+ANaaawJdu3OFzYGMZ3iGpa3qMlq9ZH0VZTgrCtw/ngdYkEIIpSbP1bWQAdFdX9vocBdkH2qVjVmuMu3gI5rjs814EUdrCZgWlPaxZZ3RiLFUtr+ud0PXwp2dnQSNXgePt6AZpBj6UMJ7VQkzN4utVeaSW1Dhn/kblGrKeMvNGnzwX4zuEDarYz1KdPtR60Gul0Gued+515SJXhCsl+Tx/3kY/UDvicPll9mfu50t3tvQ/thZpJYgeuwdSKNJ6tCD98MCgoxLDaPxbwqqwPWaWiAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Graphics card recommendation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:00:16 -0000 On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:31:00 -0700 freebsd@t41t.com freebsd@t41t.com (freebsd@t41t.com) replied: >I'm in need of a new graphics card for a new computer, that I hope will >run FreeBSD (with a strong preference for AMD64) and compiz-fusion on a >dual-monitor, which I believe means the 3D acceleration has to be in >good working order. I don't really care whether the graphics driver is >binary, or freely-licensed. > >Has anyone bought a recent graphics card that they know to be working >in x64 with 3D acceleration? > >I've heard Nvidea support is probably better than ATI. Some of the GPU >choices I see are like GeForce 9400/9500/9600 GT, GSO, and/or GTX+ >series or the GTS/GTX 2** series. Are some of those better-supported >than others? > >I didn't see anything recent on this list or the website, and there >wasn't much response on IRC. Recommendations would be appreciated. >Thanks! nVidia (AMD64) is not supported in 7.x versions of FreeBSD as far as I know. There was some talk of it being supported in 8.x, but I have not heard from anyone actually doing so. All my machines use nvidea cards, and the lack of support for it in FBSD, even after an extended period of time, is a real PIA. -- Jerry gesbbb@yahoo.com The bold youth of today is very lonely. Poul Henningsen [1894-1967] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 14 16:04:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D758B1065670 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:04:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from caramba696@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f197.google.com (mail-yw0-f197.google.com [209.85.211.197]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C3288FC24 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:04:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywh35 with SMTP id 35so36393503ywh.7 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:04:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=8VqQbsC2IAMb45jmAtdQZ899LeI6tmQK85WF3LHIb1Q=; b=UU4Ajeoid3ilIFw1uCP/Ej1/fHeENso3uh5dhsJuHyPe4RZTNWZXwPuqGv1CRLHTtm JZ5CssGNzvzA+jj5dO1uzo0ju4nnAftVDed8VdUoafzCfb37VDWyjkaAsGo1q0+XpX3e 5Im/VNz2Oh/nvrPM/flAguRp2h3zVEVRZNlf8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=DQF51lHMh+4ay5G1GMcuc3+BZ51YAH2nsd79EWyeZAYeAZ7TqaAE6dzw5OtT126g8n lvEn92MYidihOekfoJr02SBkAgZRGy479HnrJAlJ8KMVlkjnRQ98ctD0oNKKynchrDZk QLPeV1HlulDDo/bnlaHK52WED3gcj9pUUBn/I= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.144.30 with SMTP id w30mr7446311ann.188.1255536282383; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:04:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200910140902.27825.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> References: <2345d18f0910130813j6a2bbde0sec59647f44d43585@mail.gmail.com> <2345d18f0910130921g17b8d9fdy8fdb99bd5a0e8cf4@mail.gmail.com> <4AD4AE89.6010802@radel.com> <200910140902.27825.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:04:41 +0200 Message-ID: <2345d18f0910140904v3e2e9f37hbaabc05cb561a19d@mail.gmail.com> From: Jacques Henry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: NTP Client synchronization with a Windows 2003/2008 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:04:43 -0000 > > The 19 minutes between when I sent my suggestions and you responded is > > hardly enough time to see if ntpd was slewing the time. Slewing 587 > > seconds takes days. > The thing is that ntpd is not slewing the time at all, even after several hours!! > > Are you sure that -x in there, telling ntpd to not step unless the > > offset is over 600 sec, doesn't override what you're trying to do with > > the -q? How about you try simple: > > > > ntpdate the_windows_server > > > > and see what that does? After that look in /var/log/messages. > I don't have that command on my system... > > Alternatively, from the commandline try > > ntpd -g -q -c /etc/ntp.conf > > The -g flag allows ntpd to set the clock once regardless of the offset and > the -q causes it to quit after setting the time. > > I tried this command without success... I can see the NTP packets (client and server) but the clock is never set.... with the debugging option enabled (-D 3), at the end I get: ... ... poll_update: at 15 172.30.1.5 flags 0201 poll 6 burst 1 last 1 next 17 read_network_packet: fd=22 length 48 from ac1e0105 172.30.1.5 receive: at 15 172.30.1.250<-172.30.1.5 flags 19 restrict 080 receive: at 15 172.30.1.250<-172.30.1.5 mode 4 code 1 auth 0 packet: flash header 0040 addto_syslog: no reply; clock not set From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 14 16:29:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E9351065670 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:29:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alexandre.labarre@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f218.google.com (mail-ew0-f218.google.com [209.85.219.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C83E8FC14 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:29:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy18 with SMTP id 18so4960738ewy.43 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:29:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=62m59JEG6Po1Nw0kbRjlD6YqRXSg/Zgc+1TJBTb0q70=; b=cdD8g3rAk5Sr/D5TfpyZ1bHCnxjVrGmSCLp9V8CDryn8wTXUBtagnuHpeIacwc1sRZ 4HUKeyFUyp+KCUA5AtEPECo53Ik4M4PcnJWI6WfPAgnQW4vEJfIJA1PJe0O6xh9Ytt4V WIGgz2xucYU0byIdHJj+3tfmGqz7Z0YJMh0qY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; b=ra6uH9WYTpTpR5Bq7K+2dUDwxJnOSykDL1sOMsUo58tga0vL8qRqJ3xFjfdu50Tomx P4cPYLKGMVlv+MJVSfL3CwV3YKTx3rBxj+h027Y3sk5Aut0ltCDQlQI9HLjwjUErrNZj rr4l4Uu3RbcUt08e+yHHu3Vc056c7ciVYfESA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: alexandre.labarre@gmail.com Received: by 10.211.128.14 with SMTP id f14mr7622796ebn.75.1255535946475; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:59:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:59:06 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 4d9e8161a41d6d4e Message-ID: From: Alexandre To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Upgrade 7.2-RELEASE to 8.0-RC1 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:29:01 -0000 Hi, I have tried to upgrade my laptop system from 7.2-RELEASE to 8.0-RC1 using the freebsd-update method. I have ran the following commands : # freebsd-update -r 8.0-RC1 upgrade # freebsd-update install # nextboot -k GENERIC # shutdown -r now # freebsd-update install # portmaster -adf Then portmaster program does not recognize by the system. # rehash Does not have effect. Then I have rebooted the machine one more time and I have select the boot option 6 and type boot GENERIC Now the system don't want to boot correctly because it can't do fsck_ufs on /dev/ad0s1a I have download and burn the livefs 8.0-RC1 iso and use the fixit part. fsck_ufs /dev/ad0s1a do the steps correctly then I tried to boot on my GENERIC patched local kernel (using boot option 6 like described above) but I always got the same error. I have noticed that I have got these messages before the boot menu Boot: syntax error on file /boot/device.hints Boot: syntax error on file /boot/loader.conf Also, I tried this : (escape to loader prompt) * *# boot -s >> OK - It boot on 7.2 kernel # adjkerntz -i >> OK # swapon -a >> swapon: not found # fsck -p >> fsck: exec fsck_ufs for /dev/ad0s1a in /sbin:/usr/sbin: no such file or directory # mount -u / >> OK # mount -va >> OK If I rebooted like this method (escape to loader prompt) # boot GENERIC It boot on 8.0-RC1 kernel, but the only command that doesn't passed is # swapon -a >> swapon: not found After the command : # fsck -p I can access to the login prompt. But when I tried to login with root or another user, I got the following error : login: login: could not determine audit condition Can you help me to repair the errors ? Thanks for your help. Alexandre From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 14 16:38:39 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E33F106568F for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:38:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jgrosch@es.net) Received: from mailgw.es.net (mail1.es.net [IPv6:2001:400:201:1::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E553B8FC18 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:38:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from www-west2.es.net (www-west2.es.net [198.128.3.67]) by mailgw.es.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9EGcbWf027585 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:38:38 -0700 Received: by www-west2.es.net (Postfix, from userid 48) id E0D64A68015; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:38:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Squirrel-UserHash: GggBGx4CGw== X-Squirrel-FromHash: RF1FTAsCFkY= Message-ID: <12173.RF1FTAsCFkY=.1255538317.squirrel@webmail-west.es.net> In-Reply-To: <20091014115949.33b1adb4@scorpio.seibercom.net> References: <20091014153100.GH22136@ece.pdx.edu> <20091014115949.33b1adb4@scorpio.seibercom.net> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:38:37 -0700 (PDT) From: jgrosch@es.net To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.10a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=1.12.8161:2.4.5, 1.2.40, 4.0.166 definitions=2009-10-14_09:2009-09-29, 2009-10-14, 2009-10-14 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=5.0.0-0908210000 definitions=main-0910140117 Subject: Re: Graphics card recommendation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:38:39 -0000 > On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:31:00 -0700 > freebsd@t41t.com freebsd@t41t.com (freebsd@t41t.com) replied: > >>I'm in need of a new graphics card for a new computer, that I hope will >>run FreeBSD (with a strong preference for AMD64) and compiz-fusion on a >>dual-monitor, which I believe means the 3D acceleration has to be in >>good working order. I don't really care whether the graphics driver is >>binary, or freely-licensed. >> >>Has anyone bought a recent graphics card that they know to be working >>in x64 with 3D acceleration? >> >>I've heard Nvidea support is probably better than ATI. Some of the GPU >>choices I see are like GeForce 9400/9500/9600 GT, GSO, and/or GTX+ >>series or the GTS/GTX 2** series. Are some of those better-supported >>than others? >> >>I didn't see anything recent on this list or the website, and there >>wasn't much response on IRC. Recommendations would be appreciated. >>Thanks! > > nVidia (AMD64) is not supported in 7.x versions of FreeBSD as far as I > know. There was some talk of it being supported in 8.x, but I have > not heard from anyone actually doing so. All my machines use nvidea > cards, and the lack of support for it in FBSD, even after an extended > period of time, is a real PIA. nVidia support on i386 FreeBSD is not much better. One can use an nVidia card with 7.1 but under 7.2 one hits the dreaded mtrr error. A Google search finds many posts on how to fix this but none of them seem to work. I could be wrong but nVidia does not seem to be very interested in working with the FreeBSD project to address these problems. ATI also seems to have a problem with mtrr under 7.2. I'm still trying to sort this out. I hope 8.0 will address these problems. Josef From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 14 16:40:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3B741065693 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:40:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from a_best01@uni-muenster.de) Received: from zivm-exrelay2.uni-muenster.de (ZIVM-EXRELAY2.UNI-MUENSTER.DE [128.176.192.15]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67D078FC1E for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:40:08 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,559,1249250400"; d="scan'208";a="226280508" Received: from zivmaildisp1.uni-muenster.de (HELO ZIVMAILUSER01.UNI-MUENSTER.DE) ([128.176.188.85]) by zivm-relay2.uni-muenster.de with ESMTP; 14 Oct 2009 18:40:07 +0200 Received: by ZIVMAILUSER01.UNI-MUENSTER.DE (Postfix, from userid 149459) id 89E761B0766; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:40:07 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:40:07 +0200 (CEST) From: Alexander Best Sender: Organization: Westfaelische Wilhelms-Universitaet Muenster To: Boris Samorodov , Alexander Best Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20900529@bb.ipt.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: whacky `fc-list` output X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:40:09 -0000 Boris Samorodov schrieb am 2009-10-14: > On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:21:16 +0200 (CEST) Alexander Best wrote: > > hi there, > > when i do `fc-list` the output looks rather odd. `fc-cache -f` > > doesn't help. > > the output looks the same using different shells. > Those messages seem to be UTF-8 formatted. I use UTF-8 locale and > iso10646 font. Here is a head of `fc-list`: > ----- > CourierNew:style=3DPSMT-BoldItalic > Lucida > Console:style=3D=D0=9E=D0=B1=D1=8B=D1=87=D0=BD=D1=8B=D0=B9,Normal,oby=C4= =8Dejn=C3=A9,Standard,=CE=9A=CE=B1=CE=BD=CE=BF=CE=BD=CE=B9=CE=BA=CE=AC,Regu= lar,Normaali,Norm=C3=A1l,Normale,Standaard,Normalny,Navadno > ,Arrunta > AcademyPSCyr:style=3DRegular > Utopia:style=3DBold Italic > CollegePSCyr:style=3DRegular > DejaVu Serif,DejaVu Serif Condensed:style=3DCondensed,Book > Times New > Roman:style=3D=D0=9E=D0=B1=D1=8B=D1=87=D0=BD=D1=8B=D0=B9,Normal,oby=C4=8D= ejn=C3=A9,Standard,=CE=9A=CE=B1=CE=BD=CE=BF=CE=BD=CE=B9=CE=BA=CE=AC,Regular= ,Normaali,Norm=C3=A1l,Normale,Standaard,Normalny,Norm=C3=A1 > lne,Navadno,th=C6=B0=E1=BB=9Dng, Arrunta > ----- this is the output of `locale` on my box: LANG=3DC LC_CTYPE=3Dde_DE.ISO8859-15 LC_COLLATE=3Den_GB.ISO8859-15 LC_TIME=3Dde_DE.ISO8859-15 LC_NUMERIC=3Dde_DE.ISO8859-15 LC_MONETARY=3Dde_DE.ISO8859-15 LC_MESSAGES=3Den_GB.ISO8859-15 LC_ALL=3D so why does fc-list output in utf8 if none of the LC_* vars is set to it? cheers. alex From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 14 16:55:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46768106566C for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:55:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02ACF8FC24 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:55:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9EGt6hH073480; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:55:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n9EGt5Ar073477; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:55:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:55:05 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: jgrosch@es.net In-Reply-To: <12173.RF1FTAsCFkY=.1255538317.squirrel@webmail-west.es.net> Message-ID: References: <20091014153100.GH22136@ece.pdx.edu> <20091014115949.33b1adb4@scorpio.seibercom.net> <12173.RF1FTAsCFkY=.1255538317.squirrel@webmail-west.es.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.2 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:55:06 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Graphics card recommendation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:55:09 -0000 On Wed, 14 Oct 2009, jgrosch@es.net wrote: > nVidia support on i386 FreeBSD is not much better. One can use an nVidia > card with 7.1 but under 7.2 one hits the dreaded mtrr error. A Google > search finds many posts on how to fix this but none of them seem to work. > I could be wrong but nVidia does not seem to be very interested in working > with the FreeBSD project to address these problems. ATI also seems to have > a problem with mtrr under 7.2. I'm still trying to sort this out. I hope > 8.0 will address these problems. All of my cards are ATI and I don't know of the "mtrr" problem you're talking about. This X1650 works fine on i386 with both 7-STABLE and 8-STABLE. -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 14 16:57:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C03C31065679 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:57:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dak.col@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vw0-f180.google.com (mail-vw0-f180.google.com [209.85.212.180]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EFE18FC0C for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:57:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws10 with SMTP id 10so6725546vws.7 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:57:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=vFNPOA59HVSTzOpPkWtchJQf+jv7mXAunqw2D5Egqmg=; b=e9R4pf3YrmQmWh4v9jAkI0YuhBs4PZm9bV9R1V/KZG4ZPbUkkTS9DXdXlrRXFJbPt8 85e8i2f3Nu7RyE1TV4xbaZhYxW3U+B3odmI9nr/U5TaeCtr5o6WF/QmtXB/SZC9K/AfX oQ1vMTn0N3WXJMaNPYFT0S7nrI4VXW7Gn5N7U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=fh9Y7oHfpBU7mRPPN6Hb+B9O7UwFhm0FVGljxOqFOWFUgMmIKbZwINIg9ti0y4jR5t CcPn+YYyOs6MfJZcvl5a9EJ6re3xtDSdvHpznWB5eVN6eveJ4fTreyO+8YqM/Ick2Pwm hTpYbP/fIcMU2b+u0aUbP8AJNFZQYmoB6r1W8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.17.37 with SMTP id q37mr6761459vca.111.1255537465083; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:24:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2b5f066d0910140849q696fd00bl83e4879a3179c9ec@mail.gmail.com> References: <2b5f066d0910130531w7a7bf6aft81fd3782b7754e27@mail.gmail.com> <4AD5C17B.1000102@sepehrs.com> <2b5f066d0910140849q696fd00bl83e4879a3179c9ec@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:24:25 -0500 Message-ID: <3b93bd110910140924lf006440m63db0ce4ddb9e579@mail.gmail.com> From: "Diego F. Arias R." To: Brian McCann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: "H.Fazaeli" , freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Broadcom bce interface problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:57:07 -0000 do you double-check the internal por assignement? How many switchs has that blade1 or 2? You can try running a linux live-cd or maybe Windows to discard a FreeBSD trouble with the nic. does Freebsd detects 1 or 2 nics, and how many does the blade have? On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Brian McCann wrote: > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 8:18 AM, H.Fazaeli wrote: > > what type of blade switch you are using? > > Are you using HS21 onboard ports or an expansion card? > > > > Make sure the corresponding internal ports of > > the blade switch are at 'no shutdown' state. > > > > > > Brian McCann wrote: > >> > >> I'm having problems with the bce interface on a FreeBSD 7.2 install, > using > >> an IBM BladeCenter HS21 machine. The machine uses the NetXtreme II > card. > >> The really strange thing here is, the switch shows a link, but the card > >> shows no carrier in the setup. It started working for a few seconds at > >> one > >> point when I reset the switch (at least, I think that's what I did), and > >> it > >> detected 1000BaseSX as the media and showed a status of active, but > >> promptly > >> went away. If I try setting the media type manually, that doesn't > appear > >> to > >> work. > >> Has anyone seen this or have any ideas? > >> Thanks! > >> --Brian > >> > >> > > > > -- > > > > Best regards. > > Hooman Fazaeli > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I'm using an HS21 onbaord card...the Broadcom. The internal > ports show a link (using the Nortel manager...it's got a the Nortel > L3-7 switch in it). > > I found http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=118238 last > night...it looks like that change was never commited by anyone...I'm > working on recompiling that into 7.1 now and plan on trying it once > it's done. I'll post the results up here (and to freebsd-net as well > if it works). > > I'm really hoping that works...since I really would like to avoid > installing VMWare ESXi on 14 blades just to run 1 VM in each of them > and loose performance. I'll keep y'all posted. > > --Brian > > -- > _-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_ > Brian McCann > > "I don't have to take this abuse from you -- I've got hundreds of > people waiting to abuse me." > -- Bill Murray, "Ghostbusters" > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- mmm, interesante..... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 14 16:58:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D925A106566C for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:58:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@ipt.ru) Received: from services.ipt.ru (services.ipt.ru [194.62.233.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9421F8FC16 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:58:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bb.ipt.ru ([194.62.233.89]) by services.ipt.ru with esmtp (Exim 4.54 (FreeBSD)) id 1My7Be-000IFq-Kf; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:58:54 +0400 To: Alexander Best References: From: Boris Samorodov Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:58:54 +0400 In-Reply-To: (Alexander Best's message of "Wed\, 14 Oct 2009 18\:40\:07 +0200 \(CEST\)") Message-ID: <45859329@bb.ipt.ru> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: whacky `fc-list` output X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:58:55 -0000 On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:40:07 +0200 (CEST) Alexander Best wrote: > so why does fc-list output in utf8 if none of the LC_* vars is set to it? If you can reproduce it by rebuilding fontconfig from ports, it may be good to write to the maintainer (gnome@). -- WBR, Boris Samorodov (bsam) Research Engineer, http://www.ipt.ru Telephone & Internet SP FreeBSD Committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 14 17:05:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70BC1106566B for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:05:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jgrosch@es.net) Received: from mailgw.es.net (mail1.es.net [IPv6:2001:400:201:1::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51B768FC16 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:05:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from www-west2.es.net (www-west2.es.net [198.128.3.67]) by mailgw.es.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9EH5sZX028890; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:05:54 -0700 Received: by www-west2.es.net (Postfix, from userid 48) id 3812EA68016; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:05:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Squirrel-UserHash: GggBGx4CGw== X-Squirrel-FromHash: RF1FTAsCFkY= Message-ID: <42588.RF1FTAsCFkY=.1255539954.squirrel@webmail-west.es.net> In-Reply-To: References: <20091014153100.GH22136@ece.pdx.edu> <20091014115949.33b1adb4@scorpio.seibercom.net> <12173.RF1FTAsCFkY=.1255538317.squirrel@webmail-west.es.net> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:05:54 -0700 (PDT) From: jgrosch@es.net To: "Warren Block" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.10a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=1.12.8161:2.4.5, 1.2.40, 4.0.166 definitions=2009-10-14_09:2009-09-29, 2009-10-14, 2009-10-14 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=5.0.0-0908210000 definitions=main-0910140122 X-Regulatory-Partner: 1 Cc: jgrosch@es.net, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Graphics card recommendation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:05:55 -0000 > On Wed, 14 Oct 2009, jgrosch@es.net wrote: >> nVidia support on i386 FreeBSD is not much better. One can use an nVidia >> card with 7.1 but under 7.2 one hits the dreaded mtrr error. A Google >> search finds many posts on how to fix this but none of them seem to >> work. >> I could be wrong but nVidia does not seem to be very interested in >> working >> with the FreeBSD project to address these problems. ATI also seems to >> have >> a problem with mtrr under 7.2. I'm still trying to sort this out. I hope >> 8.0 will address these problems. > > All of my cards are ATI and I don't know of the "mtrr" problem you're > talking about. This X1650 works fine on i386 with both 7-STABLE and > 8-STABLE. > > -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA > I am seeing mtrr error using a Diamond Radeon HD4670 on FreeBSD 7.2 Josef From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 14 17:33:36 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE8E71065676 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:33:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jekillen@prodigy.net) Received: from smtp105.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (smtp105.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [67.195.14.108]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 78EEF8FC0A for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:33:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 14797 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2009 17:33:36 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=prodigy.net; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Content-Type:To:From:Subject:Date:X-Mailer; b=6uoeoCXa55gRyg3647oyTjZ19sSs2rRNkuabvavCegvrO2+vA1DB5/hAONjSFwLFZmhCD9bcUbaZ53XGQtSXUidJxml1v34aPike9SRcBFbkQSC0TRP1gPGqLoyFX++RdYwZACbMw921be3vTzBhAWez7eUk3a+vsTFT7pMczKU= ; Received: from (jekillen@75.7.236.228 with plain) by smtp105.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2009 10:33:36 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: 46rcWa.swBDnY9zvhIrsU2awgPSTQgUKFFrFJjEU8wwG X-YMail-OSG: bn_x9EcVM1ncv8.HPH4ESr11UATP5REMcuEXi0_EsV7sKDprpnMyS68_gd6tlbWMp319NCoiZAU5zKLXeNXt_9TO022_q40y3wP_G_Bvxts0AEe0nKTiIuBQJ4AUrThFSiL6YS7lfsiDkS3LOho5VuhWYLhBhSMax9OQ4grAU8Aeejz9BAsi9W5BbwmgvlU2kci3w.1OsqnIkaioJ..Rbljdp5lgYa0Sa5NkteP0tjDmcEQpLX2Tpi2tBlVqqNakfFmMYNuv4Pu4BcybZnexNAuJxnK7GG2GtEB6 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: jeffry killen Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:33:19 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Subject: First time for everything X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:33:36 -0000 Hello; How is a usb device accessed on Freebsd. I installed an SATA drive in a usb enclosure and plugged in into usb port on the machine. Console message indicated detection of the device when the power switch for the usb enclosure was set to on. When I did mount -w /dev/usb (or usbN) I got special device unknown. Or mount -w /dev/usb (or usbN) /mnt needs block device. There is a first time for everything. man usb does not tell me. and Absolute BSD (M. Lucas) does not say anything about usb devices let alone how to access them. Thank you for patience and guidance Jeff K. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 14 17:43:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CD51106566B for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:43:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nealhogan@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f184.google.com (mail-yx0-f184.google.com [209.85.210.184]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBD8C8FC0A for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:43:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxe14 with SMTP id 14so51352yxe.7 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:43:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Z+OdKcs8sy7q1SEJaibcaGMgZiE/lxR0KOPgpss0da4=; b=LmakCmCj8e2u376GM906hefK+yYzmy3IO9uaBwtuyM8ciMNaQKvL7ujyN+aKLH+OsM ixGFqTTsjZR/hxbBH2CbdxM9dZKG82RC5Q894JauMRtN8hUx67GTdgtnv88riagOVdBq crqzf+ER4cEWJEflzkk8rXTxOcWv55K7tu6pk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=qpeeiMAhJVHpGHrHJgJoNIPk581nPEn9vzPt/9RUOs6ABkSYvLJQH6agIkkGbMPJF7 PAynm/vrNwSloI4DIV7mJeN0HD/XziuGAHcbkzdxWlHKQTQS/G83dts+ctUCn0mpdL26 Y5wuJhsMD4P5TGA35t3WAAeO3BnDrI+U0RHnM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.61.3 with SMTP id j3mr15503280yba.76.1255542222807; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:43:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:43:42 -0500 Message-ID: From: Neal Hogan To: jeffry killen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: First time for everything X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:43:44 -0000 On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:33 PM, jeffry killen wrot= e: > Hello; > How is a usb device accessed on Freebsd. > I installed an SATA drive in a usb enclosure > and plugged in into usb port on the machine. > Console message indicated detection of the > device when the power switch for the usb enclosure > =A0was set to on. > When I did mount -w /dev/usb (or usbN) I got > special device unknown. > Or mount -w /dev/usb (or usbN) /mnt > needs block device. > > There is a first time for everything. > man usb does not tell me. > and Absolute BSD (M. Lucas) does > not say anything about usb devices > let alone how to access them. try: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/usb-disks.html > > Thank you for patience and guidance > Jeff K. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 14 17:44:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D23C4106568F for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:44:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from a_best01@uni-muenster.de) Received: from zivm-exrelay3.uni-muenster.de (ZIVM-EXRELAY3.UNI-MUENSTER.DE [128.176.192.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66B248FC1C for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:44:35 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,559,1249250400"; d="scan'208";a="15869684" Received: from zivmaildisp1.uni-muenster.de (HELO ZIVMAILUSER03.UNI-MUENSTER.DE) ([128.176.188.85]) by zivm-relay3.uni-muenster.de with ESMTP; 14 Oct 2009 19:44:33 +0200 Received: by ZIVMAILUSER03.UNI-MUENSTER.DE (Postfix, from userid 149459) id AD38C1B0750; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:44:33 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:44:33 +0200 (CEST) From: Alexander Best Sender: Organization: Westfaelische Wilhelms-Universitaet Muenster To: Boris Samorodov , Alexander Best Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <45859329@bb.ipt.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: whacky `fc-list` output X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:44:35 -0000 Boris Samorodov schrieb am 2009-10-14: > On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:40:07 +0200 (CEST) Alexander Best wrote: > > so why does fc-list output in utf8 if none of the LC_* vars is set > > to it? > If you can reproduce it by rebuilding fontconfig from ports, it may > be > good to write to the maintainer (gnome@). i rebuilt the port but that didn't help. i informed gnome@ at the problem. thanks for the help. alex From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 14 17:46:27 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77468106566C for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:46:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 391B48FC17 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:46:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.22]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 14 Oct 2009 13:46:27 -0400 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.10.7-GA) with ESMTP id QGA45842; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:46:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-6-22-227.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.22.227]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 14 Oct 2009 13:46:26 -0400 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19158.3696.185282.314230@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:46:24 -0400 To: jeffry killen In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: First time for everything X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:46:27 -0000 jeffry killen writes: > How is a usb device accessed on Freebsd. > I installed an SATA drive in a usb enclosure > and plugged in into usb port on the machine. > Console message indicated detection of the > device when the power switch for the usb enclosure was set to on. > When I did mount -w /dev/usb (or usbN) I got special device > unknown. Look for /dev/da*. Also: I believe there's a section in the handbook that covers this. Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 14 17:52:29 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A91C106568D for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:52:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AA868FC0A for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:52:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.22]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 14 Oct 2009 13:52:29 -0400 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.10.7-GA) with ESMTP id QGA46972; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:52:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-6-22-227.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.22.227]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 14 Oct 2009 13:52:27 -0400 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19158.4056.376760.654492@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:52:24 -0400 To: jgrosch@es.net In-Reply-To: <12173.RF1FTAsCFkY=.1255538317.squirrel@webmail-west.es.net> References: <20091014153100.GH22136@ece.pdx.edu> <20091014115949.33b1adb4@scorpio.seibercom.net> <12173.RF1FTAsCFkY=.1255538317.squirrel@webmail-west.es.net> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Graphics card recommendation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:52:29 -0000 jgrosch@es.net writes: > I could be wrong but nVidia does not seem to be very interested > in working with the FreeBSD project to address these problems. nVidia has offered what many/most hardware vendors* do not: to write and maintain a driver for their product. However, in order for that driver to be fully functional they want certain improvements in FreeBSD - particularly the virtual memory system. Not an unreasonable request. Some work has been done; there was a post somewhere within the last few months about John Baldwin making improvements. Check the archives of this list for pointers to the list of changes and the status of the work. Robert Huff * - a notable exception being Intel, for their network cards. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 14 17:57:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01718106575F for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:57:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jgrosch@es.net) Received: from mailgw.es.net (mail1.es.net [IPv6:2001:400:201:1::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 306578FC12 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:57:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from www-west2.es.net (www-west2.es.net [198.128.3.67]) by mailgw.es.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9EHvrHw031281; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:57:53 -0700 Received: by www-west2.es.net (Postfix, from userid 48) id 27144A68016; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:57:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Squirrel-UserHash: GggBGx4CGw== X-Squirrel-FromHash: RF1FTAsCFkY= Message-ID: <45432.RF1FTAsCFkY=.1255543073.squirrel@webmail-west.es.net> In-Reply-To: <19158.4056.376760.654492@jerusalem.litteratus.org> References: <20091014153100.GH22136@ece.pdx.edu> <20091014115949.33b1adb4@scorpio.seibercom.net> <12173.RF1FTAsCFkY=.1255538317.squirrel@webmail-west.es.net> <19158.4056.376760.654492@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:57:53 -0700 (PDT) From: jgrosch@es.net To: "Robert Huff" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.10a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=1.12.8161:2.4.5, 1.2.40, 4.0.166 definitions=2009-10-14_09:2009-09-29, 2009-10-14, 2009-10-14 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=5.0.0-0908210000 definitions=main-0910140135 X-Regulatory-Partner: 1 Cc: jgrosch@es.net, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Graphics card recommendation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:57:56 -0000 > > jgrosch@es.net writes: > >> I could be wrong but nVidia does not seem to be very interested >> in working with the FreeBSD project to address these problems. > > nVidia has offered what many/most hardware vendors* do not: to > write and maintain a driver for their product. > However, in order for that driver to be fully functional they > want certain improvements in FreeBSD - particularly the virtual > memory system. Not an unreasonable request. > Some work has been done; there was a post somewhere within the > last few months about John Baldwin making improvements. > Check the archives of this list for pointers to the list of > changes and the status of the work. > > > Robert Huff > > * - a notable exception being Intel, for their network cards. Thank you. I am happy to be wrong about this. Josef From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 14 17:58:51 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E77CC10656A6 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:58:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bjmccann@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f197.google.com (mail-yw0-f197.google.com [209.85.211.197]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D3F58FC17 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:58:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywh35 with SMTP id 35so94328ywh.7 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:58:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=WOOqL6pHJynHJA/4xZE5216r0ERTPRSLx6iC4ZQV1YI=; b=L8NgduT3XR0LG0q7hRwNL1RxjSzCvrOLm1P5F4sXCKxmi9sxq2mZZTglmy4WHH/LhV xEAyoXNElJqLaRl1okdmqM6YNa46afYIyOZIPjI//M7oO1JYdWHdJml19ca/0g3Db6w+ FO+kLMqRvPc7IDDb7+mXMz8UM6qzuRRUBXKd0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Tq3X6YZ61mdl95MCpOjIgr/2aahn9PDb/vU1qjTZ8euq/vwPTizhhX2M9p7wz/CTrS 0OaBgrfgnkPp//nPJyaO9lAH2InBoFcRTyUgNz6Z9sgIiE2nGewYHnyqxSehX5vR7h0m jdCKjIBF+QfUZpGSTVvdOTByZ7T5x9dGsIrNg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.104.2 with SMTP id b2mr15466769ybc.19.1255543129905; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:58:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <3b93bd110910140924lf006440m63db0ce4ddb9e579@mail.gmail.com> References: <2b5f066d0910130531w7a7bf6aft81fd3782b7754e27@mail.gmail.com> <4AD5C17B.1000102@sepehrs.com> <2b5f066d0910140849q696fd00bl83e4879a3179c9ec@mail.gmail.com> <3b93bd110910140924lf006440m63db0ce4ddb9e579@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:58:49 -0400 Message-ID: <2b5f066d0910141058q3b40d5cdh96fa5cf3503a71f1@mail.gmail.com> From: Brian McCann To: "Diego F. Arias R." Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "H.Fazaeli" , freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Broadcom bce interface problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:58:51 -0000 On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Diego F. Arias R. wro= te: > do you double-check the internal por assignement? How many switchs=A0 has= that > blade1 or 2? > > You can try running a linux live-cd or maybe Windows to discard a FreeBSD > trouble with the nic. does Freebsd detects 1 or 2 nics, and how many does > the blade have? > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Brian McCann wrote= : >> >> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 8:18 AM, H.Fazaeli wrote: >> > what type of blade switch you are using? >> > Are you using HS21 onboard ports or an expansion card? >> > >> > Make sure the corresponding internal ports of >> > the blade switch are at 'no shutdown' state. >> > >> > >> > Brian McCann wrote: >> >> >> >> I'm having problems with the bce interface on a FreeBSD 7.2 install, >> >> using >> >> an IBM BladeCenter HS21 machine. =A0The machine uses the NetXtreme II >> >> card. >> >> =A0The really strange thing here is, the switch shows a link, but the >> >> card >> >> shows no carrier in the setup. =A0It started working for a few second= s at >> >> one >> >> point when I reset the switch (at least, I think that's what I did), >> >> and >> >> it >> >> detected 1000BaseSX as the media and showed a status of active, but >> >> promptly >> >> went away. =A0If I try setting the media type manually, that doesn't >> >> appear >> >> to >> >> work. >> >> Has anyone seen this or have any ideas? >> >> Thanks! >> >> --Brian >> >> >> >> >> > >> > -- >> > >> > Best regards. >> > Hooman Fazaeli >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> Yes, I'm using an HS21 onbaord card...the Broadcom. =A0The internal >> ports show a link (using the Nortel manager...it's got a the Nortel >> L3-7 switch in it). >> >> I found http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=3D118238 last >> night...it looks like that change was never commited by anyone...I'm >> working on recompiling that into 7.1 now and plan on trying it once >> it's done. =A0I'll post the results up here (and to freebsd-net as well >> if it works). >> >> I'm really hoping that works...since I really would like to avoid >> installing VMWare ESXi on 14 blades just to run 1 VM in each of them >> and loose performance. =A0I'll keep y'all posted. >> >> --Brian >> >> -- >> _-=3D-_-=3D-_-=3D-_-=3D-_-=3D-_-=3D-_-=3D-_-=3D-_-=3D-_-=3D-_-=3D-_ >> Brian McCann >> >> "I don't have to take this abuse from you -- I've got hundreds of >> people waiting to abuse me." >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- Bill Murray, "Ghostbusters" >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > -- > mmm, interesante..... > Windows runs fine on them. I applied the changes mentioned the patch I just posted, and that fixed the problem...no throughput hit as a result. Thanks to all for the help! --Brian --=20 _-=3D-_-=3D-_-=3D-_-=3D-_-=3D-_-=3D-_-=3D-_-=3D-_-=3D-_-=3D-_-=3D-_ Brian McCann "I don't have to take this abuse from you -- I've got hundreds of people waiting to abuse me." -- Bill Murray, "Ghostbusters" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 14 18:00:15 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BCEE1065697 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:00:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA0F68FC08 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:00:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9EI0Cor073787; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:00:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n9EI0CDW073784; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:00:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:00:12 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: jgrosch@es.net In-Reply-To: <42588.RF1FTAsCFkY=.1255539954.squirrel@webmail-west.es.net> Message-ID: References: <20091014153100.GH22136@ece.pdx.edu> <20091014115949.33b1adb4@scorpio.seibercom.net> <12173.RF1FTAsCFkY=.1255538317.squirrel@webmail-west.es.net> <42588.RF1FTAsCFkY=.1255539954.squirrel@webmail-west.es.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.2 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:00:12 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Graphics card recommendation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:00:15 -0000 On Wed, 14 Oct 2009, jgrosch@es.net wrote: >> >> All of my cards are ATI and I don't know of the "mtrr" problem you're >> talking about. This X1650 works fine on i386 with both 7-STABLE and >> 8-STABLE. > > I am seeing mtrr error using a Diamond Radeon HD4670 on FreeBSD 7.2 Really need a lot more specifics. What is the exact error? What doesn't work? Which driver are you using? -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 14 18:38:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3751A106566B for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:38:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEFE18FC1B for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:38:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from phenom.cordula.ws (phenom [192.168.254.60]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51D3B37409; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:38:10 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:38:09 +0200 From: cpghost To: Warren Block Message-ID: <20091014183809.GA1519@phenom.cordula.ws> References: <20091014153100.GH22136@ece.pdx.edu> <20091014115949.33b1adb4@scorpio.seibercom.net> <12173.RF1FTAsCFkY=.1255538317.squirrel@webmail-west.es.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Graphics card recommendation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:38:14 -0000 On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:55:05AM -0600, Warren Block wrote: > On Wed, 14 Oct 2009, jgrosch@es.net wrote: > > nVidia support on i386 FreeBSD is not much better. One can use an nVidia > > card with 7.1 but under 7.2 one hits the dreaded mtrr error. A Google > > search finds many posts on how to fix this but none of them seem to work. > > I could be wrong but nVidia does not seem to be very interested in working > > with the FreeBSD project to address these problems. ATI also seems to have > > a problem with mtrr under 7.2. I'm still trying to sort this out. I hope > > 8.0 will address these problems. > > All of my cards are ATI and I don't know of the "mtrr" problem you're > talking about. This X1650 works fine on i386 with both 7-STABLE and > 8-STABLE. Try starting X with DRI, then quit X, and restart X again. If you don't have DRI anymore, chances are you've hit the ominous MTRR problem. At least, that's what I think it is, from what I've gathered from this list. I seem to have this problem with an ATI HD 3200, using the radeonhd driver under RELENG_7. It's pretty annoying, that if X crashes (or you have to stop it for some reason), you only get DRI support again after rebooting. :-( Having said this, IMHO ATI will probably be better supported in the long run on FreeBSD, because they have released the specs of rather recent chipsets, while nVidia has not (AFAIK). > -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 14 18:54:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 209F8106566B for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:54:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B40428FC1E for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:54:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9EIsYgV073966; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:54:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n9EIsYJ8073963; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:54:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:54:34 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: cpghost In-Reply-To: <20091014183809.GA1519@phenom.cordula.ws> Message-ID: References: <20091014153100.GH22136@ece.pdx.edu> <20091014115949.33b1adb4@scorpio.seibercom.net> <12173.RF1FTAsCFkY=.1255538317.squirrel@webmail-west.es.net> <20091014183809.GA1519@phenom.cordula.ws> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.2 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:54:34 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Graphics card recommendation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:54:42 -0000 On Wed, 14 Oct 2009, cpghost wrote: > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:55:05AM -0600, Warren Block wrote: >> On Wed, 14 Oct 2009, jgrosch@es.net wrote: >>> nVidia support on i386 FreeBSD is not much better. One can use an nVidia >>> card with 7.1 but under 7.2 one hits the dreaded mtrr error. A Google >>> search finds many posts on how to fix this but none of them seem to work. >>> I could be wrong but nVidia does not seem to be very interested in working >>> with the FreeBSD project to address these problems. ATI also seems to have >>> a problem with mtrr under 7.2. I'm still trying to sort this out. I hope >>> 8.0 will address these problems. >> >> All of my cards are ATI and I don't know of the "mtrr" problem you're >> talking about. This X1650 works fine on i386 with both 7-STABLE and >> 8-STABLE. > > Try starting X with DRI, then quit X, and restart X again. If you > don't have DRI anymore, chances are you've hit the ominous MTRR > problem. I do that all the time without noticeable problems, but then this particular card is an RV530 or RV560 chipset which has been supported for quite a while. Most or all of the Radeon HD cards are R600 or R700 chipsets, and that's still work in process. > I seem to have this problem with an ATI HD 3200, using the radeonhd > driver under RELENG_7. It's pretty annoying, that if X crashes (or > you have to stop it for some reason), you only get DRI support again > after rebooting. :-( Plain radeon driver from xf86-video-ati works best here, although I haven't tried radeonhd for a while. > Having said this, IMHO ATI will probably be better supported in the > long run on FreeBSD, because they have released the specs of rather > recent chipsets, while nVidia has not (AFAIK). Agreed. -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 14 19:04:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F3E3106566B for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:04:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tokaev@hotmail.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s34.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s34.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.106]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C3F78FC14 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:04:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BAY113-W47 ([65.54.168.147]) by bay0-omc1-s34.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:04:51 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [95.72.155.165] From: Arkady Tokaev To: FreeBSD Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:04:51 +0400 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Oct 2009 19:04:51.0506 (UTC) FILETIME=[351FC120:01CA4D01] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Unknown devices X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:04:52 -0000 While I was trying to update ports I have received message about absence di= sk space.It's impossible=2C I thought.But df command said:$ df -hFilesystem= Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on/dev/ad0s1a 23G 3.5G = 18G 16% /devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev/dev/md= 0 9.4M 2.8M 6.5M 30% /etc/dev/md1 31M 16M = 13M 55% /usr/local/etc/dev/md2 19M 18K 19M 0% /= root/dev/md3 31M 6.1M 24M 20% /var$What is the md devic= es?How I can remove them? freebsd-questions@freebsd.org=20 Arkady Tokaev =20 _________________________________________________________________ =C7=D0=E1=E2=DE =DC=E3=E7=D0=D5=E2=D5=E1=EC=2C =D2=E1=DF=DE=DC=D8=DD=D0=EF = =DD=E3=D6=DD=EB=D9 =D0=D4=E0=D5=E1? Internet Explorer 8 =DF=DE=DC=DD=D8=E2 = =D0=D4=E0=D5=E1=D0 =D7=D0 =D2=D0=E1. http://www.microsoft.ru/ie8= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 14 20:51:20 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC763106568F for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:51:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lconrad@Go2France.com) Received: from mgw1.MEIway.com (mgw1.meiway.com [81.255.84.75]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74B4B8FC1F for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:51:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from VirusGate.MEIway.com (virusgate.meiway.com [81.255.84.76]) by mgw1.MEIway.com (Postfix Relay Hub) with ESMTP id DFE05471FBA for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:51:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.Go2France.com (ms1.meiway.com [81.255.84.73]) by VirusGate.MEIway.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A77743865BB for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:51:22 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from lconrad@Go2France.com) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:48:26 +0200 Message-Id: <200910142248.AA63898478@mail.Go2France.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Len Conrad" X-Sender: To: X-Mailer: Subject: is this Intel CPU ok for 7.2 AMD64? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lconrad@Go2France.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:51:20 -0000 the FreeBSD 6.2 i386 dmesg.boot shows: CPU: Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.60GHz (3591.25-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0xf41 Stepping = 1 Features=0xbfebfbff Features2=0x659d> AMD Features=0x20100000 Logical CPUs per core: 2 real memory = 3220963328 (3071 MB) avail memory = 3150913536 (3004 MB) ACPI APIC Table: FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 4 CPUs cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID: 0 cpu1 (AP): APIC ID: 1 cpu2 (AP): APIC ID: 6 cpu3 (AP): APIC ID: 7 ioapic0: Changing APIC ID to 8 ioapic1: Changing APIC ID to 9 ioapic1: WARNING: intbase 32 != expected base 24 ioapic2: Changing APIC ID to 10 ioapic2: WARNING: intbase 64 != expected base 56 ioapic0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard ioapic1 irqs 32-55 on motherboard ioapic2 irqs 64-87 on motherboard thanks, Len From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 14 20:54:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3863106566B for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:54:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amsibamsi@gmail.com) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57F328FC08 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:54:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so65115eyd.9 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:54:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id:to:mime-version :x-mailer; bh=dcxO0syC564lvyqtIphRFmdzuAX/jgSl7ZWGnOTyIWY=; b=PcbsAhlO0go5CQRw34sZTeUITBX1lyfLtutcMzrvWjMXtkrTmWgFeRy9/47p7Wrwmb wGGP0a7nEYlZRp9fbuudBsgFfIRVLa92XuZRU//4E0pgoZwCZpWHB9au/We2c9ASvypl JS2L14zLc87JPB+BPNqXK8S/67rLT1aMOY64Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id :to:mime-version:x-mailer; b=iBos5dbmFZtiPpPgxXm8cNoIb2Xf/aC2k837i0sMb3yfB1DNuRUZPbRGEnahOgJJgd wPSNrsKDI5XnzwgpKyCCHdFURzvIZsiUU/PapaOJZA57V5X9s69Jhxi+8+CCf5bo9wAM jrBNrq6RvCYUjPSvOtCLLqncrHSQ2hJfdrTrI= Received: by 10.211.147.7 with SMTP id z7mr8075614ebn.4.1255553684358; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:54:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.10.2.2? (80-219-26-31.dclient.hispeed.ch [80.219.26.31]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm926019eyh.17.2009.10.14.13.54.42 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:54:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Anselm Strauss Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:54:41 +0200 Message-Id: To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) Subject: Re: No serial console input in loader X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:54:45 -0000 Hi, I have to come back to this problem. When I boot over the serial console, input works all fine until I come to the loader menu. There, input from the serial console is just ignored, I can not interrupt the autoboot and e.g. choose a different kernel. I have partitioned with GPT and installed /boot/pmbr into the MBR and /boot/gptboot into the first partition of type freebsd-boot. The keyboard works in the BIOS, and in gptboot I think, where I can interrupt the boot by pressing a key, and a list like this shows: FreeBSD/i386 boot Default: 0:ad(0p2)/boot/loader boot: Then, in the loader menu the input is dead, when the kernel boots and also afterwards it works again fine. When I use GRUB to start the loader the keyboard also works. Any ideas on what the problem could be or how to track this down? Cheers Anselm > On Jun 28, 2008, at 13:15 , Anselm Strauss wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I have a small router that has no video output, it only supports a >> serial console. I configured the serial console in /boot/ >> boot.config, /boot/loader.conf and /etc/ttys. It's working in the >> BIOS, on the boot prompt before the loader starts, and when logging >> in on the getty. The only place where it's not working correctly is >> at the loader prompt. I can see the loader menu and the logo, but I >> can't choose the boot entry or interrupt the timeout. I can't make >> any input at all. What could this be? >> >> Cheers, >> Anselm >> > Don't know what this was, but now it works. I use Grub to directly > load /boot/loader as kernel. I set the serial console in the BIOS to > 115200 Baud. In Grub's menu.lst I then use: > > serial --unit=0 --speed=115200 > terminal serial > > and in /boot/loader.conf: > > console="comconsole" > comconsole_speed="115200" > > Seems like this is all that is needed. > > Anselm From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 14 21:08:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A187B1065670 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:08:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhellenthal@gmail.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.156]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BC7A8FC19 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:08:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id d23so125182fga.13 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:08:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:sender:date:from:to:cc :subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references:user-agent :x-openpgp-key-id:x-openpgp-key-fingerprint:mime-version :content-type; bh=aTrKkOJODcpNbjN1pGOzfdtshAgPW3jQuue6tRKygDI=; b=RhTxJNDaf90oEjPJhekMirNWoXUd2BEUP9UtfY70MCvG7JEMZj1oP3jAfCitsIFonv cM1LOdQENashKsHHcztpF619sRwRFhGtRb9E2MnaYShE4IIR5FTSQGMILmO3g0JxWnpl u4He7TmlwBt6KBE8HssXqLmd9QrRHs436upxE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:date:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references :user-agent:x-openpgp-key-id:x-openpgp-key-fingerprint:mime-version :content-type; b=yCiSto5O49L16vn9IsWPCGCRd5E47cgEY2jprZLUlDDOLSOA++LhNSpAqej0xkoS1A k7EgfLmFF+nhjg8fxOYtzqAUJX62ECEBcfC70bgOxr+YbgMr3woOCelJo9Cfaox+fdQZ BVfWWdscw//UtbkFMgU0oKi+bCykhsHictnJ0= Received: by 10.86.227.13 with SMTP id z13mr8186175fgg.72.1255554510831; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:08:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dimension.5p.local (adsl-99-19-46-209.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net [99.19.46.209]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l19sm174891fgb.26.2009.10.14.14.08.28 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:08:30 -0700 (PDT) Sender: "J. Hellenthal" Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:08:23 -0400 From: jhell To: Len Conrad In-Reply-To: <200910142248.AA63898478@mail.Go2France.com> Message-ID: References: <200910142248.AA63898478@mail.Go2France.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) X-OpenPGP-Key-Id: 0x89D8547E X-OpenPGP-Key-Fingerprint: 85EF E26B 07BB 3777 76BE B12A 9057 8789 89D8 547E MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: is this Intel CPU ok for 7.2 AMD64? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:08:32 -0000 No you want: IA64 not AMD64 ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/ia64/ISO-IMAGES/7.2/ On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:48, lconrad@ wrote: > the FreeBSD 6.2 i386 dmesg.boot shows: > > CPU: Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.60GHz (3591.25-MHz 686-class CPU) > Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0xf41 Stepping = 1 > Features=0xbfebfbff > Features2=0x659d> > AMD Features=0x20100000 > Logical CPUs per core: 2 > real memory = 3220963328 (3071 MB) > avail memory = 3150913536 (3004 MB) > ACPI APIC Table: > FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 4 CPUs > cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID: 0 > cpu1 (AP): APIC ID: 1 > cpu2 (AP): APIC ID: 6 > cpu3 (AP): APIC ID: 7 > ioapic0: Changing APIC ID to 8 > ioapic1: Changing APIC ID to 9 > ioapic1: WARNING: intbase 32 != expected base 24 > ioapic2: Changing APIC ID to 10 > ioapic2: WARNING: intbase 64 != expected base 56 > ioapic0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard > ioapic1 irqs 32-55 on motherboard > ioapic2 irqs 64-87 on motherboard > > thanks, > Len > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- ;; dataix.net!jhell 2048R/89D8547E 2009-09-30 ;; BSD since FreeBSD 4.2 Linux since Slackware 2.1 ;; 85EF E26B 07BB 3777 76BE B12A 9057 8789 89D8 547E From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 14 21:10:57 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAAF5106566B for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:10:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40D438FC17 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:10:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n9ELAtjC082996; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:10:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 5AD14BA96; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:10:55 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:10:55 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: Len Conrad Message-ID: <20091014211055.GD52151@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <200910142248.AA63898478@mail.Go2France.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="JBi0ZxuS5uaEhkUZ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200910142248.AA63898478@mail.Go2France.com> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: is this Intel CPU ok for 7.2 AMD64? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:10:57 -0000 --JBi0ZxuS5uaEhkUZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes. On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:48:26PM +0200, Len Conrad wrote: > the FreeBSD 6.2 i386 dmesg.boot shows: >=20 > CPU: Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.60GHz (3591.25-MHz 686-class CPU) > Origin =3D "GenuineIntel" Id =3D 0xf41 Stepping =3D 1 > Features=3D0xbfebfbff > Features2=3D0x659d> You should be looking at the following line. LM means Long Mode, meaning it= can run 64-bit instructions: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_mode]; > AMD Features=3D0x20100000 Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --JBi0ZxuS5uaEhkUZ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.13 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkrWPl8ACgkQEnfvsMMhpyWpHQCfbPLeKvzgcnFHMbrLZ6hdZ1NV h+4AoJ7joZGYnNhgH5+8kS5cdnU7CvPY =SPCO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --JBi0ZxuS5uaEhkUZ-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 14 21:13:49 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17DB6106566C for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:13:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dak.col@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vw0-f180.google.com (mail-vw0-f180.google.com [209.85.212.180]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD27D8FC16 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:13:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws10 with SMTP id 10so106265vws.7 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:13:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=YE++qNsiIFtlxg+RYR7yiFbs93RLdYVecbQuZURlUmA=; b=AxvdzNTTDuYmBcGWhW6taQgS+g3212E3r9HbJVbx07Lj6Ohdt0CWbQitJfhtyHQ24H ihZ/IPDPow8kRrnt6k5K01+CNaOlQuFlKLiL4AjbFT+BWlfZje3arxJ1Q5UpOVILjQpv r0Pa1asKY/OSKogXoI7ryUyh3jR84C9MI8/o0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=WAovUDraDU3MOC3RbcPQkMHCar7i+OD1bpDqMmjSBZshs3vGAB7of4BwHm3MjJMUfM FTtXK1Rh6bQJwa63dCo8LwexPldUN2UZm8zgi1QJYeG5sNZKQy1eIkV+hN9+WO+/6LCW gPNYQTmUz5NwzC3623lzNamI/88GDbW072lSs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.69.83 with SMTP id y19mr13484215vci.64.1255554827820; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:13:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <200910142248.AA63898478@mail.Go2France.com> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:13:47 -0500 Message-ID: <3b93bd110910141413s7ae157fap2fe43c0cb812e6c5@mail.gmail.com> From: "Diego F. Arias R." To: jhell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Len Conrad , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: is this Intel CPU ok for 7.2 AMD64? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:13:49 -0000 On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 4:08 PM, jhell wrote: > > No you want: IA64 not AMD64 > > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/ia64/ISO-IMAGES/7.2/ > > > > On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:48, lconrad@ wrote: > >> the FreeBSD 6.2 i386 dmesg.boot shows: >> >> CPU: Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.60GHz (3591.25-MHz 686-class CPU) >> Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0xf41 Stepping = 1 >> >> Features=0xbfebfbff >> Features2=0x659d> >> AMD Features=0x20100000 >> Logical CPUs per core: 2 >> real memory = 3220963328 (3071 MB) >> avail memory = 3150913536 (3004 MB) >> ACPI APIC Table: >> FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 4 CPUs >> cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID: 0 >> cpu1 (AP): APIC ID: 1 >> cpu2 (AP): APIC ID: 6 >> cpu3 (AP): APIC ID: 7 >> ioapic0: Changing APIC ID to 8 >> ioapic1: Changing APIC ID to 9 >> ioapic1: WARNING: intbase 32 != expected base 24 >> ioapic2: Changing APIC ID to 10 >> ioapic2: WARNING: intbase 64 != expected base 56 >> ioapic0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard >> ioapic1 irqs 32-55 on motherboard >> ioapic2 irqs 64-87 on motherboard >> >> thanks, >> Len >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> > -- > > ;; dataix.net!jhell 2048R/89D8547E 2009-09-30 > ;; BSD since FreeBSD 4.2 Linux since Slackware 2.1 > ;; 85EF E26B 07BB 3777 76BE B12A 9057 8789 89D8 547E > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Why ia64 if its a XEON? -- mmm, interesante..... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 14 21:22:15 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2150E106566C for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:22:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from af.gourmet@videotron.ca) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F01738FC1C for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:22:14 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Received: from [192.168.0.51] ([96.21.103.185]) by VL-MH-MR002.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-4.01 (built Aug 3 2007; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KRI00HIBWOKLZ00@VL-MH-MR002.ip.videotron.ca> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:21:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <4AD640F5.20303@videotron.ca> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:21:57 -0400 From: PJ User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Polytropon , Manolis Kiagias Cc: Subject: clone-dump-restore X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:22:15 -0000 Gentlemen, I have not had a chance to thank you for your very helpful suggestions. I have tried to follow them as well as possible and I cerainly am grateful for your input. It has taken me some time to prepare for a cloning of an existing 7.2 sytem. Now that I have everything running smoothly with all the proggies & configurations the way I want them, I tried (notice - tried) to clone the system. Here's the setup: FBSD 7.2 on ad4 and same on ad12. First, running on ad4, I tried to dump & restore each partition directly: ad12s1a to da0s1a (usb sata disk). No go. I had set it up originally with livefs, minimal; then redid it all with fdisk, bsdlabel and nwfs; then dump -0af - /dev/ad12s1a | restore -rf - /dev/da0s1a --- got error messages about not being a tape device. Great. Next, I tried with another usb/sata disk on da0... dumped to files (dump went w/out problems) ... mounted da0 partitions 1 x 1 to /mnt, cd'd to /mnt and did restore -rf file. Only the ad12s1f(usr) restore gave long list of "unable to create file or link or something like that". When I then installed the restored disk to another computer (identical except for CPU (3gb instead of 2.4gb), booted from the restored disk and saw that it was trying to boot from ad12s1a which doesn't exist on the new machine. uh...oh... Somehow I think I may not have understood something. Perhaps I should install the disk directly in the dump/restore machine and try again. Oh, yes, another sign from the gods... when restoring to a partition just newfsed there is a warning that .snap is already installed... now what on earth or moon is that? I will try again... and try to document more clearly... :-( TIA From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 14 21:48:29 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23D5C1065670 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:48:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D64C18FC08 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:48:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-71-245.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.71.245]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA0123CB36; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:48:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n9ELmQxl001598; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:48:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:48:26 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Warren Block Message-Id: <20091014234826.39a42b6d.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20091014153100.GH22136@ece.pdx.edu> <20091014115949.33b1adb4@scorpio.seibercom.net> <12173.RF1FTAsCFkY=.1255538317.squirrel@webmail-west.es.net> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: jgrosch@es.net, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Graphics card recommendation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:48:29 -0000 On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:55:05 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wrote: > All of my cards are ATI and I don't know of the "mtrr" problem you're > talking about. This X1650 works fine on i386 with both 7-STABLE and > 8-STABLE. I had an old-fashioned ATI Radeon 9200 RV250 AGP with both a VGA and a VGA-on-DVI monitor. With also old-fashioned XFree86 this setting worked good performance-wise, which was in FreeBSD 5, but I haven't tested this in FreeBSD 7 with Xorg yet because I'm very upset about the speed-loss of "modern" software. :-( Furthermore, I don't have the second 21" CRT anymore, so no dual-head for me at the moment. I am nearly sure that for today's requirements, Intel GPUs seem to be the most fitting ones, but as I don't own any of them, I can't give you clues from a user's point of view. In the past, ATI always was my first choice, but today, I would triple-check anything. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 14 21:49:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C865A106568D for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:49:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from craig001@lerwick.hopto.org) Received: from lerwick.hopto.org (81-178-20-70.dsl.pipex.com [81.178.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9C258FC2A for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:49:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 34801 invoked by uid 98); 14 Oct 2009 22:49:22 +0100 Received: from 192.168.0.124 by polaris.lerwick.hopto.org (envelope-from , uid 82) with qmail-scanner-2.01 (clamdscan: 0.88.4/1789. hbedv: 7.1.1.11/6.35.1.178. f-prot: 4.6.6/3.16.14. spamassassin: 3.1.4. Clear:RC:1(192.168.0.124):. Processed in 0.050256 secs); 14 Oct 2009 21:49:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.124?) (192.168.0.124) by lerwick.hopto.org with SMTP; 14 Oct 2009 22:49:22 +0100 From: Craig Butler To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:49:22 +0100 Message-Id: <1255556963.1258.4.camel@coyote.lerwick.hopto.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: ldap and pam-mkhomedir, anyone know how to set directory ownership to the ldap user logging in ?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:49:22 -0000 Hi All Currently I have got pam authenticating against ldap and mkhomedir creating the home directories, but they are created owned as root:wheel and the user can't write to their own home directory -- I have read the man page for pam_mkhomedir, the only way I see it working at the moment is setting an insecure umask in the pam definition.... Any ideas on how I can get them owned by the ldap user signing in ? Thanks Craig B From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 14 22:06:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D6F31065672 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:06:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erikt@midgard.homeip.net) Received: from ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net (ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net [80.76.149.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C0728FC1F for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:06:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c83-255-48-78.bredband.comhem.se ([83.255.48.78]:64484 helo=falcon.midgard.homeip.net) by ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1MyBzC-0001XN-96 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 00:06:24 +0200 Received: (qmail 57535 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2009 00:06:17 +0200 Received: from owl.midgard.homeip.net (10.1.5.7) by falcon.midgard.homeip.net with ESMTP; 15 Oct 2009 00:06:17 +0200 Received: (qmail 6659 invoked by uid 1001); 15 Oct 2009 00:06:17 +0200 Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 00:06:17 +0200 From: Erik Trulsson To: jhell Message-ID: <20091014220617.GA6647@owl.midgard.homeip.net> References: <200910142248.AA63898478@mail.Go2France.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Originating-IP: 83.255.48.78 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1MyBzC-0001XN-96. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net 1MyBzC-0001XN-96 b36701fb162a8b52e9cc8ca05b0aaf95 Cc: Len Conrad , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: is this Intel CPU ok for 7.2 AMD64? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:06:42 -0000 On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 05:08:23PM -0400, jhell wrote: > > No you want: IA64 not AMD64 No, he does not want that. IA64 is for Intel's Itanium CPUs which are only used in a few big servers and just about nowhere else. The below is an ordinary x86 CPU (which the Itanium most certainly is not.) > > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/ia64/ISO-IMAGES/7.2/ > > > On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:48, lconrad@ wrote: > > the FreeBSD 6.2 i386 dmesg.boot shows: > > > > CPU: Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.60GHz (3591.25-MHz 686-class CPU) > > Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0xf41 Stepping = 1 > > Features=0xbfebfbff > > Features2=0x659d> > > AMD Features=0x20100000 > > Logical CPUs per core: 2 > > real memory = 3220963328 (3071 MB) > > avail memory = 3150913536 (3004 MB) > > ACPI APIC Table: > > FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 4 CPUs > > cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID: 0 > > cpu1 (AP): APIC ID: 1 > > cpu2 (AP): APIC ID: 6 > > cpu3 (AP): APIC ID: 7 > > ioapic0: Changing APIC ID to 8 > > ioapic1: Changing APIC ID to 9 > > ioapic1: WARNING: intbase 32 != expected base 24 > > ioapic2: Changing APIC ID to 10 > > ioapic2: WARNING: intbase 64 != expected base 56 > > ioapic0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard > > ioapic1 irqs 32-55 on motherboard > > ioapic2 irqs 64-87 on motherboard > > > > thanks, > > Len > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > -- > > ;; dataix.net!jhell 2048R/89D8547E 2009-09-30 > ;; BSD since FreeBSD 4.2 Linux since Slackware 2.1 > ;; 85EF E26B 07BB 3777 76BE B12A 9057 8789 89D8 547E > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 14 22:07:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73B45106568F for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:07:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B5658FC27 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:07:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-71-245.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.71.245]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6562F3CB61; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 00:07:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n9EM7eI5001659; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 00:07:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 00:07:40 +0200 From: Polytropon To: PJ Message-Id: <20091015000740.53ccdd0a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4AD640F5.20303@videotron.ca> References: <4AD640F5.20303@videotron.ca> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Manolis Kiagias , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: clone-dump-restore X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:07:42 -0000 On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:21:57 -0400, PJ wrote: > It has taken me some time to prepare for a cloning of an existing 7.2 sytem. > Now that I have everything running smoothly with all the proggies & > configurations the way I want them, I tried (notice - tried) to clone > the system. > Here's the setup: > FBSD 7.2 on ad4 and same on ad12. I do assume that the system on ad6 is your source system, and ad12 should then be the same by the means of cloning? In later lines, you're dumping to a da device (not ad). Do you already have two FreeBSD source systems set up? > First, running on ad4, I tried to dump & restore each partition directly: > ad12s1a to da0s1a (usb sata disk). No go. It would be good to see the command that you issued to do so, including the currend working directory. > I had set it up originally > with livefs, minimal; then redid it all with fdisk, bsdlabel and nwfs; There's no need to do the slicing and partitioning twice. > then > dump -0af - /dev/ad12s1a | restore -rf - /dev/da0s1a The command does not look okay. Keep in mind that a) ad0s1a is mounted, b) you need to be in the mounted / of da0 and c) ad1s2a is mounted ro. You can forget about c) if you're dumping | restoring from a live file CD or DVD. In this case, ad12s1a isn't mounted, which is good. You should end up with a setting like this: # mount /dev/da0s1a /mnt # cd /mnt # dump -0 -f - /dev/ad12s1a | restore -r -f - See the difference? The restore command does NOT require a device name, because the point where to restore is the current working directory, as indicated by the previous cd command. > --- got error messages about not being a tape device. Great. Looks like incorrect command... see above. > Next, I tried with another usb/sata disk on da0... dumped to files (dump > went w/out problems) ... mounted da0 partitions 1 x 1 to /mnt, cd'd to > /mnt and did > restore -rf file. > Only the ad12s1f(usr) restore gave long list of "unable to create file> or link > or something like that". Again, the complete command (including pwd) would have been helpful, so I can only guess. I assume you dumped /usr into a file on a usb disk (da). In order to restore this file to a partition you created on another disk, let's say ad6 (ATTENTION, EXAMPLE!), the command to do so would be: # mount /dev/da0 /mnt # mkdir /mnt2 # mount /dev/ad6s1e /mnt2 # cd /mnt2 # restore -r -f /mnt/usr.dump Keep in mind that (in difference to my previous example) /mnt now refers to the /usr partition, not to /. This of course assumes that you've already sliced and partitioned ad6. It includes formatting (newfs), obviously. > When I then installed the restored disk to another computer (identical > except for CPU (3gb instead of 2.4gb), booted from the restored disk and > saw that it was trying to boot from ad12s1a which doesn't exist on the > new machine. uh...oh... The boot loader tries to boot the first ATA disk. This has been discussed in the questions@ list few days ago. > Somehow I think I may not have understood something. I'm sure about this. Re-read the examples above and you'll notice easily how the dump and especially the restore command have to be invoked for proper operations. > Perhaps I should install the disk directly in the dump/restore machine > and try again. This is possible, but as long as you're using an USB transfer disk which gets its content as data files (.dump files) from the ATA disk (source disk), and which are then restored to another ATA disk (target disk), there shouldn't be a problem. Because I'm a lazy guy, I mostly use a live file system (FreeBSD live fs is completely okay, but FreeSBIE is good, too) in order to run the sysinstall program which I use to slice, partition and format the target disk as intended. I then use a USB stick or a USB disk to make the dump files available (previous example) and restore them to the target disk. Note that things like the boot loader are now independent of my dumps as they get written by sysinstall. > Oh, yes, another sign from the gods... when restoring to a partition > just newfsed there is a warning that .snap is already installed... now > what on earth or moon is that? The .snap directory is used for file system snapshot. As far as I remember, newfs creates this directory, or maybe it's fsck at its first run? Don't mind, it's not important (until you need it for data recovery). > I will try again... and try to document more clearly... :-( Yes, please. Good luck! -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 14 22:33:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CBCE1065692 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:33:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ccowart@rescomp.berkeley.edu) Received: from hal.rescomp.berkeley.edu (hal.Rescomp.Berkeley.EDU [169.229.70.150]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 452A18FC33 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:33:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by hal.rescomp.berkeley.edu (Postfix, from userid 1225) id EF442597CE0; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:33:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:33:45 -0700 From: Chris Cowart To: Craig Butler Message-ID: <20091014223345.GA11723@hal.rescomp.berkeley.edu> Mail-Followup-To: Craig Butler , freebsd-questions References: <1255556963.1258.4.camel@coyote.lerwick.hopto.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-ripemd160; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="wac7ysb48OaltWcw" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1255556963.1258.4.camel@coyote.lerwick.hopto.org> Organization: RSSP-IT, UC Berkeley User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: ldap and pam-mkhomedir, anyone know how to set directory ownership to the ldap user logging in ?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:33:46 -0000 --wac7ysb48OaltWcw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Craig Butler wrote: > Currently I have got pam authenticating against ldap and mkhomedir > creating the home directories, but they are created owned as root:wheel > and the user can't write to their own home directory -- I have read the > man page for pam_mkhomedir, the only way I see it working at the moment > is setting an insecure umask in the pam definition.... >=20 > Any ideas on how I can get them owned by the ldap user signing in ? It should "Just Work". Do you have the accounts properly configured in /etc/nsswitch.conf?=20 If you: getent passwd USER For the account whose home directory isn't being created correctly? Do you see the entry? --=20 Chris Cowart Network Technical Lead Network & Infrastructure Services, RSSP-IT UC Berkeley --wac7ysb48OaltWcw Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (FreeBSD) iQIcBAEBAwAGBQJK1lHJAAoJEC8b9sM8ejXtSxoP/0Adyy7fIb1Ht14hjhlnYaml iQEsEzYK6fq9672E3mFni66IEf96O5Qq2FoTm/qUBMrTPahm+xtVbJO4H7DnYLnM WnXn/IvzFqb2jcYGNx9Qv+oTCjk65nBgLDRkxhXiJ6ewLxl3/mdCUkYf5+u0L+Gg bSdiK21RgFSVIrtQQ8Z6BQdehKdcyIaGZLKP8e9lbe1Ofl+qOgCjSrpjRNiIhenN 44v3XK4FsxSxF7ywTTcfHeGB+5bfS092wfOp19Dyn5GgEEHHfVq6u7OHB8DQ458G DAkVaubhfjlT+Zh3zjlzpUCqJRt4YpHGe8vNiQ4kxzfh5nzHLkkXDGiZ2QuBV+kz K0YsyodRjuRdxbleeBDGxvlbag1rGDDbThQ4mqKG4PwqMP0Nspa86O58w3KhZIem sGqXeGFRzwvioXDVlaG3PvFf0UlCpg8wJOCvJQS7LASM797Fi5Ls7bNi8bNgb4AL dh517gfQXY3mEtme6JBSPuSHRozaWxG931PUK4n10wHZG7pVsGlWnHp5PSnmlynv dqQPiD50nT095Z2LT22u0LYC7M0WSCep2heET5DeH9+PzCMVI0CLKM49BGG0FuVH ClB2zSF3Qwh5J5xUznennY5Y2P8RP2ciVXTr69y60GZyef83DQuUy8xVIIeqlNtH KGi3LImFer9R/4ZM3tQA =iCGm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --wac7ysb48OaltWcw-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 14 22:38:05 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6D75106566C for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:38:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67B768FC1D for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:38:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-71-245.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.71.245]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id C61C13CAE1; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 00:38:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n9EMc32v001761; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 00:38:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 00:38:03 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Arkady Tokaev Message-Id: <20091015003803.f015b721.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Unknown devices X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:38:05 -0000 On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:04:51 +0400, Arkady Tokaev wrote: > > While I was trying to update ports I have received message > about absence disk space.It's impossible, I thought.But df > command said: > $ df -h > Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > /dev/ad0s1a 23G 3.5G 18G 16% / > devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev > /dev/md0 9.4M 2.8M 6.5M 30% /etc > /dev/md1 31M 16M 13M 55% /usr/local/etc > /dev/md2 19M 18K 19M 0% /root > /dev/md3 31M 6.1M 24M 20% /var > $ > What is the md devices?How I can remove them? See "man md": The md devices refer to memory disks, RAM that "emulates" a hard disk. Sadly, I don't recognize a reason why your /etc, /usr/local/etc, /root and /var subtrees are mounted onto memory disks... seems that you're not running a default install, do you? Regarding your initial problem - updating ports - this involves writing operations in the ports directory (usually /usr/ports which may be a subtree of /dev/ad0s1a on / in your setting) as well as in /var, especially /var/db/pkg, the installed packages database, and /var/ports. When /var is a memory disk with 30 MB, it may be too small for such a process. Furthermore, if I see this correctly, you're loosing the content of the package database on reboot; is this intended? -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 14 22:39:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCF9D106568B for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:39:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Damien@voipmodem.net) Received: from netaxle.com (lb.netaxle.com [207.97.224.130]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B71E8FC1D for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:39:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from web002 [70.43.43.146] by netaxle.com with ESMTP (SMTPD-9.23) id AC73065C; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:10:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Damien Ross" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: 14 Oct 2009 17:11:15 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200910141710783.SM04584@web002> Subject: Link exchange with my site voipmodem.net? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:39:00 -0000 Hey-=0D=0A=0D=0AI've got a website targeted towards the keyword Voip Modem= and I'm looking for link exchanges.=0D=0A=0D=0AWould you be interested?= If so, please reply and I'm sure we can work something out.=0A=0AHave a= nice day!=0D=0A=0D=0ADamien Ross =0D=0A From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 14 23:03:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED7731065670 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:02:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Received: from mail.monochrome.org (b4.ebbed1.client.atlantech.net [209.190.235.180]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7CD38FC17 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:02:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.11] ([192.168.1.11]) by mail.monochrome.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9EN2vTx032909; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:02:57 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:01:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Hill To: Jacques Henry In-Reply-To: <2345d18f0910140904v3e2e9f37hbaabc05cb561a19d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <2345d18f0910130813j6a2bbde0sec59647f44d43585@mail.gmail.com> <2345d18f0910130921g17b8d9fdy8fdb99bd5a0e8cf4@mail.gmail.com> <4AD4AE89.6010802@radel.com> <200910140902.27825.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <2345d18f0910140904v3e2e9f37hbaabc05cb561a19d@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NTP Client synchronization with a Windows 2003/2008 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:03:01 -0000 On Wed, 14 Oct 2009, Jacques Henry wrote: >>> The 19 minutes between when I sent my suggestions and you responded is >>> hardly enough time to see if ntpd was slewing the time. Slewing 587 >>> seconds takes days. >> > > The thing is that ntpd is not slewing the time at all, even after several > hours!! If I may pipe up... Can you not set the clock manually, then let ntpd take it from there? Seems like your clock would become synced a lot faster if it started out "close". Sorry if I'm being naive, but this seemed like the obvious thing to do. -- Chris Hill chris@monochrome.org ** [ Busy Expunging <|> ] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 14 23:18:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BE2D1065670 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:18:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vinny-mail-01+f.questions20091014@palaceofretention.ca) Received: from www.giovannetti.ca (www.giovannetti.ca [206.248.136.48]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54F268FC2A for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:18:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from the.palaceofretention.ca (unknown [192.168.68.3]) by www.giovannetti.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D122B229E0 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:06:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4AD65812.20303@palaceofretention.ca> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:00:34 -0400 From: Vinny User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20090714) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Experiencing blank @pkgdep entries X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:18:06 -0000 Hi, I tried to do some port maintenance, specifically, updating python and its ports to 2.6. I used the instructions in UPDATING for portmaster: 20090608: AFFECTS: users of lang/python* and py-* AUTHOR: miwi@FreeBSD.org The default version of Python has been changed from 2.5.x to 2.6.x. ... # portmaster -o lang/python26 lang/python25 I did not retain 2.5 as the default, so I did not create the make.conf variable entry, nor did I run the 'portupgrade -R python' command (I deduced the portupgrade -R command was for those who wish to retain 2.5, was that correct?). Anyway, I ran: # cd /usr/ports/lang/python && make upgrade-site-packages -DUSE_PORTMASTER Aside: From memory, I saw some complaints about libtool15/22 pass by. Must one follow the UPDATING's timeline in reverse when doing an upgrade that might touch many files? I.e. should I have run the libtool/libtldl upgrade before python's? To continue: It chugged along (while annoyingly asking me about deleting distfiles) until it hung on a fetch (net issues). I hit CTRL-C and reran the above make command. It continued and ended after a while with a status report of quite a few update failures with 'uninstall errors'. These were due to pkg_delete or 'make deinstall' dumping core on blank @pkgdep lines in various ports' +CONTENTS files. These blank pkgdep entries weren't there before I started the upgrade process, as evidenced by my current backup of the /var/db/pkg database, which has no blank entries in any +CONTENTS files. I got a nice command line from the net somewhere: grep -E '^@(pkgdep|name)[[:space:]]*$' /var/db/pkg/*/+CONTENTS I don't believe hitting CTRL-C during the fetch could have caused ALL these blank @pkgdep lines. There were upwards of 50 ports with this problem after running the make commands. Is this a know problem? I've only seen a couple of threads and they were one-off's (i.e. one port affected only). I restored from backup, but I'd still like to upgrade python. Hopefully, I can achieve this without corrupting my port databases. Anyone have any information or comments? Thanks a lot! Vinny From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 14 23:07:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8855106568D for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:07:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from saber.adavi@gmail.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.157]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 401548FC1A for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:07:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id d23so170330fga.13 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:07:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=yOyvF0ITsVjVRynH/L5AjCeBfBAESuk5sSR4+VGKSEM=; b=Vc7njzdb+maaM7pRLKOxq78yIDvx3kewOvr1Bi0Y0IL5zWSNS2xH3Sez5gGtDJdd3k GwBD9s3drBGAi5sn0sUTtv4VCK8rXghLTsrLS7h4vUOAVok0kzFTglE1ciTsxGIf/Jcr ms2CAXqOT4YZVwVEqmrUNOpMyh7quq2DUJ6cs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=tL+6RyiEVzFw26XkaTKijcZBAMV1YR4Hkc/yiM8GhbfD2A24K12u8WEdGJbkTkguY3 YTPSkzu+djwUEfCd3ZaslH2UW1KL/N/RlsVQ1oYtyD2zuFCGkfMdzweY16NijFW972Rj y6GcvPh/kKqF2/it7dew9XbBE7ys2gHH3CDzg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.78.17 with SMTP id f17mr3980064mul.7.1255559994567; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:39:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 02:09:54 +0330 Message-ID: <26fc94150910141539w1b70b31cp6e7e09f368c5e8e@mail.gmail.com> From: saber adavi To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:18:37 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: persian home page X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:07:22 -0000 hi, my name is saber adavi and im CS student at tehran polytechnic university. im using freeBsd as my main OS near one year and i like to help ( if there is a chance) to add persian language into your website. cheers From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 14 23:36:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E395B106568F for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:36:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shinjii@maydias.com) Received: from relay03.mail-hub.dodo.com.au (relay03.mail-hub.dodo.com.au [123.2.6.238]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A48388FC0C for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:36:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 122-148-122-57.static.dsl.dodo.com.au ([122.148.122.57] helo=enterprise.blackthorn.nu) by relay03.mail-hub.dodo.com.au with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1MyDOY-0002jd-Om for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:36:43 +1100 Message-ID: <4AD66105.8040504@maydias.com> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:38:45 +1000 From: Warren Liddell User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090410) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Multiple qt4 issues X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:36:46 -0000 im running AMD64 FreeBSD7.2-STABLE latest src//kernel and ports so far as what depends on various QT4 pkgs ... Everything comes down to this 1 port but yet i removed all of them an it still cracks .. what am i missing or havent read... ===> Verifying install for qt4-phonon>=4.5.2 in /usr/ports/multimedia/qt4-phonon ===> qt4-phonon-4.5.2 conflicts with KDE4 phonon. Please, deinstall multimedia/phonon. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/multimedia/qt4-phonon. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/www/qt4-webkit. enterprise# ls /var/db/pkg | grep phon enterprise# From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 14 23:53:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C0DE106566B for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:53:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f184.google.com (mail-yx0-f184.google.com [209.85.210.184]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D94798FC19 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:53:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxe14 with SMTP id 14so977563yxe.7 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:53:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; 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charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: persian home page X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:53:08 -0000 On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 5:39 PM, saber adavi wrote: > hi, > my name is saber adavi and im CS student at tehran polytechnic university. > im using freeBsd as my main OS near one year and i like to help ( if there > is a chance) to add persian language into your website. > > cheers > > If you don't find the desired response on this list, you can try info listed here: http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 00:05:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BA811065676 for ; 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Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:05:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4AD65812.20303@palaceofretention.ca> References: <4AD65812.20303@palaceofretention.ca> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:05:49 -0500 Message-ID: <6201873e0910141705q43c521b4k90be881f368c2dcc@mail.gmail.com> From: Adam Vande More To: Vinny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Experiencing blank @pkgdep entries X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 00:05:50 -0000 On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 6:00 PM, Vinny < vinny-mail-01+f.questions20091014@palaceofretention.ca > wrote: > Hi, > > I tried to do some port maintenance, specifically, > updating python and its ports to 2.6. I used > the instructions in UPDATING for portmaster: > > 20090608: > AFFECTS: users of lang/python* and py-* > AUTHOR: miwi@FreeBSD.org > > The default version of Python has been changed from 2.5.x to 2.6.x. > ... > > # portmaster -o lang/python26 lang/python25 > > I did not retain 2.5 as the default, so I did not create > the make.conf variable entry, nor did I run the 'portupgrade -R > python' command (I deduced the portupgrade -R command was for > those who wish to retain 2.5, was that correct?). > > Anyway, I ran: > > # cd /usr/ports/lang/python && make upgrade-site-packages -DUSE_PORTMASTER > > Aside: From memory, I saw some complaints about libtool15/22 pass by. > Must one follow the UPDATING's timeline in reverse when doing an > upgrade that might touch many files? I.e. should I have run the > libtool/libtldl upgrade before python's? > Yes, but you're more likely to run into these dependencies issues the longer you wait between upgrades. > > To continue: It chugged along (while annoyingly asking me about > deleting distfiles) man portmaster > until it hung on a fetch (net issues). I hit > CTRL-C and reran the above make command. It continued and ended > after a while with a status report of quite a few update failures > with 'uninstall errors'. > > These were due to pkg_delete or 'make deinstall' dumping core > on blank @pkgdep lines in various ports' +CONTENTS files. > > These blank pkgdep entries weren't there before I started the > upgrade process, as evidenced by my current backup of the > /var/db/pkg database, which has no blank entries in any +CONTENTS > files. I got a nice command line from the net somewhere: > > grep -E '^@(pkgdep|name)[[:space:]]*$' /var/db/pkg/*/+CONTENTS > > I don't believe hitting CTRL-C during the fetch could have > caused ALL these blank @pkgdep lines. There were upwards > of 50 ports with this problem after running the make commands. > > Is this a know problem? I've only seen a couple of threads > and they were one-off's (i.e. one port affected only). > > I restored from backup, but I'd still like to upgrade python. > Hopefully, I can achieve this without corrupting my port > databases. > I have run into issues with both portupgrade and portmaster. I prefer portmaster but it doesn't always work and neither does portupgrade. As noted by the UPDATING entry, portupgrade does a smoother on the python upgrade. > > Anyone have any information or comments? Thanks a lot! > > Vinny > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 00:41:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F359E106568F for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 00:41:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhellenthal@gmail.com) Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2C3C8FC13 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 00:41:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 5so115493qwd.7 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:41:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:sender:date:from:to:cc :subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references:user-agent :x-openpgp-key-id:x-openpgp-key-fingerprint:mime-version :content-type; bh=Nhiy3c51NTtdJ0GGhlUCdnDCAJTRqJCyj5OtggfXMXw=; b=N9pOoT48iDRmNeAOZLaL4uXdpBR6TJm2qJdunw6jwI2zk95Vjf5PyG/Ey5QuhLyqBD Rj2Iq9iFC0Lh4qiRUdh28gEC5AYsMRCtida73xr7S15WtFM3Q9UsgQ3PUQftaIlBResq 4r/X4jkzJcSK74TTphsipW8aQro82gftw9zVA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:date:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references :user-agent:x-openpgp-key-id:x-openpgp-key-fingerprint:mime-version :content-type; b=hwfqIV+yatL0GRvldyLcfYEQySAx6whFsccoT9PCqWRyUWfxW4n8BEYYOWcpE0J2Qi 0eWLjEjlNbsanaVO/t3PO8I4rXRBmV4uTCsLDg1ezx+H1N5fkBBw+MiAMWXj7yQxRUtp +raImKPnVRsmxkLO5ECb9cWG4zmtvLYDK10x0= Received: by 10.224.125.76 with SMTP id x12mr7743920qar.208.1255567310081; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:41:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dimension.5p.local (adsl-99-19-46-209.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net [99.19.46.209]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 26sm2817491qwa.54.2009.10.14.17.41.47 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:41:48 -0700 (PDT) Sender: "J. Hellenthal" Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:41:41 -0400 From: jhell To: Roland Smith In-Reply-To: <20091014211055.GD52151@slackbox.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: References: <200910142248.AA63898478@mail.Go2France.com> <20091014211055.GD52151@slackbox.xs4all.nl> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) X-OpenPGP-Key-Id: 0x89D8547E X-OpenPGP-Key-Fingerprint: 85EF E26B 07BB 3777 76BE B12A 9057 8789 89D8 547E MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Len Conrad , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: is this Intel CPU ok for 7.2 AMD64? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 00:41:51 -0000 On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:10, rsmith@ wrote: > Yes. > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:48:26PM +0200, Len Conrad wrote: >> the FreeBSD 6.2 i386 dmesg.boot shows: >> >> CPU: Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.60GHz (3591.25-MHz 686-class CPU) >> Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0xf41 Stepping = 1 >> Features=0xbfebfbff >> Features2=0x659d> > > You should be looking at the following line. LM means Long Mode, meaning it can > run 64-bit instructions: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_mode]; > >> AMD Features=0x20100000 > > Roland > My apologies to the original poster. I tend to usually mix up these two arch's for some reason or another. Thanks to the second poster for clearing that up. -- ;; dataix.net!jhell 2048R/89D8547E 2009-09-30 ;; BSD since FreeBSD 4.2 Linux since Slackware 2.1 ;; 85EF E26B 07BB 3777 76BE B12A 9057 8789 89D8 547E From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 00:57:25 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8DE21065679 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 00:57:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B2CD8FC14 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 00:57:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9F0vLKO075098 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:57:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n9F0vLoP075095 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:57:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:57:21 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.2 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:57:21 -0600 (MDT) Cc: Subject: mkisofs error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 00:57:25 -0000 My data backups to DVD use mkisofs to build ISO9660 DVDs like so: mkisofs -J -joliet-long -r -hide-rr-moved -graft-points dir1 dir2 dir3 and then piped into cdrecord. However, I found a problem with one file that casts some doubt on the whole process. The file is named img_0185-6x4crop.jpg and is 3,309,906 bytes. On the hard drive, it reads fine. The filename is present on the DVD, but the file always gives a read error: # file img_0185-6x4crop.jpg img_0185-6x4crop.jpg: ERROR: cannot read `img_0185-6x4crop.jpg' (Input/output error) It's not a one-time error; every DVD always has the same problem. What is going wrong? A poison filename? -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 01:30:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D971106566B for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 01:30:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from af.gourmet@videotron.ca) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35CB88FC13 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 01:30:10 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Received: from [192.168.0.51] ([96.21.103.185]) by VL-MH-MR002.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-4.01 (built Aug 3 2007; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KRJ009GG85I3KB0@VL-MH-MR002.ip.videotron.ca> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:29:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <4AD67B06.9090408@videotron.ca> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:29:42 -0400 From: PJ User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) To: Polytropon References: <4AD640F5.20303@videotron.ca> <20091015000740.53ccdd0a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-reply-to: <20091015000740.53ccdd0a.freebsd@edvax.de> Cc: Manolis Kiagias , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: clone-dump-restore X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 01:30:10 -0000 I believe that my problems arise out of subliminal refuse syndrome: the brain refuses to comprehend dump and restore TOs and FROMs. In other words, I'm beginning to see that dump -0af TO ( - or device/file) FROM (device or directory/file) and restore -rf (TO curr.dir FROM device or file) or dump -0af - (FROM device or file) | restore -rf - (TO device or directory) or do I still not have it right? It's the stdout and stdin that makes me stumble. Do I really need to mount the partitions or can I just dump and restore from device to device directly? The manual says I should be able to dump & restore across the lan too... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 01:46:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 007AE106566B for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 01:46:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from smtp.ibctech.ca (v6.ibctech.ca [IPv6:2607:f118::b6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7D8F18FC0A for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 01:46:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 7874 invoked by uid 89); 15 Oct 2009 01:46:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?IPv6:2607:f118::5?) (steve@ibctech.ca@2607:f118::5) by 2607:f118::b6 with ESMTPA; 15 Oct 2009 01:46:54 -0000 Message-ID: <4AD67F08.7060104@ibctech.ca> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:46:48 -0400 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warren Liddell References: <4AD66105.8040504@maydias.com> In-Reply-To: <4AD66105.8040504@maydias.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Multiple qt4 issues X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 01:46:28 -0000 Warren Liddell wrote: > im running AMD64 FreeBSD7.2-STABLE latest src//kernel and ports so far > as what depends on various QT4 pkgs ... > > Everything comes down to this 1 port but yet i removed all of them an it > still cracks .. what am i missing or havent read... What exactly are you doing that reproduces your breakage? Forcing the registration of the package may help, but in this case I'd be leery of doing that due to the explicit 'conflict' warning. > ===> Verifying install for qt4-phonon>=4.5.2 in > /usr/ports/multimedia/qt4-phonon > ===> qt4-phonon-4.5.2 conflicts with KDE4 phonon. Please, deinstall > multimedia/phonon. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/multimedia/qt4-phonon. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/www/qt4-webkit. > > enterprise# ls /var/db/pkg | grep phon Do a: %pkg_version -v > ~/pv.out ...and then review the ~/pv.out file *manually* to see if you can identify any oddities. (yes, grep is good and grep is great, but I've missed obvious things by grep'ing the pkg db in the past). I'm personally not one to help with GUI things, but hopefully my suggestion may provide a lead. Steve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 01:52:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1F1D1065670 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 01:52:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79A288FC25 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 01:52:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-71-245.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.71.245]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2684C1DBA5; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 03:52:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n9F1qo2J002734; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 03:52:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 03:52:49 +0200 From: Polytropon To: PJ Message-Id: <20091015035249.785abc2e.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4AD67B06.9090408@videotron.ca> References: <4AD640F5.20303@videotron.ca> <20091015000740.53ccdd0a.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AD67B06.9090408@videotron.ca> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Manolis Kiagias , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: clone-dump-restore X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 01:52:53 -0000 On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:29:42 -0400, PJ wrote: > I believe that my problems arise out of subliminal refuse syndrome: the > brain refuses to comprehend dump and restore TOs and FROMs. > In other words, I'm beginning to see that > dump -0af TO ( - or device/file) FROM (device or directory/file) > and > restore -rf (TO curr.dir FROM device or file) > > or > dump -0af - (FROM device or file) | restore -rf - (TO device or directory) > > or do I still not have it right? Not entirely. Let me give this little "cheat sheet": # dump -0 -a -f if is -, then write to standard output # cd # restore -r -f if is -, then read to standard input and combined: # cd # dump -0 -a -f - | restore -r -f - A common command line parametron for dump -0Lauf ("Lauf" means "(the) run" or imperative "run!" in German, so it's easy to remember, "Null-Lauf!" or "Zero Lauf"). Check the manpage at "man dump" for the meaning of the different options which are often used for some welcome "side effects". And now: Lauf! Lauf! Lauf! :-) > It's the stdout and stdin that makes me stumble. It's quite easy if you recognize what stdin and stdout are. One program (dump) outputs to stdout, the | (pipe) method redirects this stdout of one program to another program to which it is the stdin, so this other program (restore) reads the stdin. > Do I really need to mount the partitions or can I just dump and restore > from device to device directly? No. For direct full device operations, you would need dd. The reason is that dump reads from a partition. This partition should be unmounted, but may be mounted if you specify -L in order to tell dump that it will dump a live file system and should therefore create a snapshot, because it simply cannot dump data that is constantly changing. The restore program reads dump files and creates directories and files (with all the stuff like owner:group, permissions and flags), so it has to operate on a mounted file system. That's why the rule: source not mounted or -L, destination mounted and writable (and empty). The dd program operates on blocks of variable size. It has no concept of files and directories. It should not be used on mounted partitions. Unlike dump | restore, dd allows you to duplicate disks fulwise, this means you don't even have to care for slices and partitions. This method is very often used in forensic settings where you need to duplicate a whole disk. But you can, if needed, just dd a whole (at file level defective) partition, as I had to do. The dd program does not care for such problems. There are "extended dd variants" that can cope with massive reading errors if the source drive is already physically failing. > The manual says I should be able to dump & restore across the lan too... Yes, that's easy. For example, you can use ssh to connect to another machine where you get the dump files from. The handbook even lists an example, if I remember correctly. In such a setting, you usually prepare the target (slice, partition, format), mount it, connect to the backup server and let restore take the dump files from there. This process can even be scripted, so you simply put a CD or an USB stick into a new computer and let it rock automatically. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 01:55:25 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D8291065670 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 01:55:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from henry.olyer@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f218.google.com (mail-ew0-f218.google.com [209.85.219.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D85FE8FC17 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 01:55:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy18 with SMTP id 18so409277ewy.43 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:55:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=6sPa5WFb5PbyHgKuTIp057hAx8zNP4Qs+7nCbbUF96I=; b=B+r4B3pOgbQK8JKoi5JJXM9HzwmRHGeZ/PIzzczOuF/hELS4lgJHGiRR0nrGr2c5Cg 3xGfNeB6uDI08pst1XMIB1HDQQMnWZeblwTRwvsoMorrOlx1ZSeCF8FYyY0/oeaHfvU6 o1rKgCU0zpW+mGWc3NkCsfs580DMXPmUGNENg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=J6VNsd9B9P8opBtRCfuo7elwRsR7LGUYv1xXwRJuUcwnKxxpPC1n8StMaqcJQJd/xZ 6GA0VUfINxvOgv47tpQmnz5ppyjvCZpYct1lnyTrjNLMYYuepvoauf9UwDeDWKyhscQm I4NbkWsZmMbmOzE44ovIV8f+FCugWfEgzLBHE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.211.130.15 with SMTP id h15mr8268003ebn.82.1255571723927; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:55:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:55:23 -0400 Message-ID: <1d7089c40910141855q3a9361f2x552ac3d8edf741c7@mail.gmail.com> From: Henry Olyer To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: FBSD 7.2, on a CQ60-419WM Presario, about headphones, function keys, FVWM fonts, and GBDE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 01:55:25 -0000 How do I get to use the headphones? The speaker works but continues to play when I plug in headphones. Also adjusting the keyboard function controls to control the sound, (o anything else,) does nothing -- what is with this? Last, how do I change the font size with FVWM? As you can see I am new to a lot of things. I develop and sometimes I'd like to use headphones and gasp!, put up a DVD movie. Using mplayer. I made sound work. Hey, for me that was big. Last (this time I really mean "last",) I'm using GBDE. I'd like to hear from anyone else who uses it. I have questions. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 02:09:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A8AC1065672 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 02:09:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alex.jurkiewicz@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f203.google.com (mail-qy0-f203.google.com [209.85.221.203]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B44908FC19 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 02:09:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk42 with SMTP id 42so341042qyk.28 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:09:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Z1O9p7N17hGxj05jgCleP6D7wYZqHsF6Km5vrbt3/VQ=; b=QheO3MPjxlv/g27ovm/5aTWISzWCkkoBkqbpiM1iHSrOhGp8ymt9PmsMXSuJZnY3SI 6wecvV/z0tnnFHt3kFnT90zUCYMFVdjWVdBv1QBeAC0VRjY97+vehhTYPsW8bd/zifUq 4EV/P20SZfPaxgSpMavrD6D03SvZAlZGN2z20= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=BxehnwqWWssF5ObLEu3HiFCMR5qlNYMCqUdaSTzZyAqXozoFnPBSOEoMAq59jgcxqC nr60m8Fqqrx0Mw3KWUs/ZFxtL6NawBMnXjjZL9Eu4mggzl2uzbzqfQMQxi2zjZLg0I7H W0VuI2b8nrryOL91xBPYDoOWtDYNhMDeWmycw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: alex.jurkiewicz@gmail.com Received: by 10.224.35.71 with SMTP id o7mr7698177qad.331.1255572581885; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:09:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <98ac902a0910120214m29d299b5o6aa58fdba45c9f95@mail.gmail.com> <98ac902a0910121745h204124ear51139091572676f3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:09:41 +0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: c06fa654e97b8faa Message-ID: <98ac902a0910141909j5a359940j7006eecb15fd05cd@mail.gmail.com> From: Alex Jurkiewicz To: Tim Judd , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Subject: Re: restore(8)ing new / -- boots on metal but not in a VM X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 02:09:43 -0000 2009/10/14 Tim Judd : > My suggestion is to check the VM config and see if you can emulate an > IDE ad(4) device instead of the possible SCSI da(4) device that > vmware/virtualbox may setup. =C2=A0I'm almost positive (not 100% because = I > don't have either one of those installed at the moment) that both > those products default to a SCSI device. Both are capable of emulating IDE, and both can offer something that FreeBSD uses the da driver for (SATA for Vbox, SCSI for Vmware). I've tested with both ad and da drives on both solutions. Creating a dump image fresh in a VM gives me a file I can restore from and boot successfully in VMs. I haven't tested physical machines yet -- if I can boot physical machines off this new dump file my problems are solved. If not... At this point it seems simplest to produce a few different versions of my dump image. Chances there's just something different in the first few sectors of the disk, but having a single dump image and multiple first sectors for the image seems more complex overall. Thanks for the help, AJ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 02:24:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84F37106566B for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 02:24:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 435218FC1D for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 02:24:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9F2Oomx075338 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:24:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n9F2OoJL075335 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:24:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:24:50 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.2 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:24:50 -0600 (MDT) Cc: Subject: Re: mkisofs error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 02:24:53 -0000 On Wed, 14 Oct 2009, Warren Block wrote: > My data backups to DVD use mkisofs to build ISO9660 DVDs like so: > > mkisofs -J -joliet-long -r -hide-rr-moved -graft-points dir1 dir2 dir3 > > and then piped into cdrecord. However, I found a problem with one file that > casts some doubt on the whole process. The file is named > img_0185-6x4crop.jpg and is 3,309,906 bytes. On the hard drive, it reads > fine. > > The filename is present on the DVD, but the file always gives a read error: > > # file img_0185-6x4crop.jpg > img_0185-6x4crop.jpg: ERROR: cannot read `img_0185-6x4crop.jpg' (Input/output > error) > > It's not a one-time error; every DVD always has the same problem. What is > going wrong? A poison filename? Following up: growisofs with the same parameters has no problems with that file. -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 02:48:59 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF3AC106566B for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 02:48:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from noc@hdk5.net) Received: from guam10.hdk5.net (guam10.hdk5.net [66.180.132.235]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1F638FC0A for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 02:48:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mohawk7.intra.net (unknown [66.180.149.18]) by guam10.hdk5.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6AB11CC17; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:48:58 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <4AD68D9A.6090202@hdk5.net> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:48:58 -1000 From: Al Plant User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071128 FreeBSD/i386 SeaMonkey/1.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warren Block References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mkisofs error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 02:49:00 -0000 Warren Block wrote: > On Wed, 14 Oct 2009, Warren Block wrote: > >> My data backups to DVD use mkisofs to build ISO9660 DVDs like so: >> >> mkisofs -J -joliet-long -r -hide-rr-moved -graft-points dir1 dir2 dir3 >> >> and then piped into cdrecord. However, I found a problem with one >> file that casts some doubt on the whole process. The file is named >> img_0185-6x4crop.jpg and is 3,309,906 bytes. On the hard drive, it >> reads fine. >> >> The filename is present on the DVD, but the file always gives a read >> error: >> >> # file img_0185-6x4crop.jpg >> img_0185-6x4crop.jpg: ERROR: cannot read `img_0185-6x4crop.jpg' >> (Input/output error) >> >> It's not a one-time error; every DVD always has the same problem. >> What is going wrong? A poison filename? > > Following up: growisofs with the same parameters has no problems with > that file. > > -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Aloha Warren, Manolis Kiagias pointed me to growisofs a while ago and I have had no problems making dvd's since from the command line. ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 7.2 - 8.0 - 9* + < email: noc@hdk5.net > "All that's really worth doing is what we do for others."- Lewis Carrol From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 03:37:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A94DD1065692 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 03:37:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lordofhyphens@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f203.google.com (mail-qy0-f203.google.com [209.85.221.203]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A89D8FC08 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 03:37:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk42 with SMTP id 42so381535qyk.28 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:37:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=2KH9oB1Lp3IJy2gIQLXwDCRWgU1arSf7u7+0m/zbfyA=; b=P+/eOzz4GWOpfu5hSoyuE1//IYNhcp2Uh6F4eeWUcE3z2SC1qpVhNippO8wa6CTT/w 3tm3yWuHAMGSV/maYLFkPyD0w5tebZRojkY2XmfRgIigjNG5lkCn72xCiCmT6U2vh0we U82bnLpew+CkS6UxU3bEhCfuvRV1ylvUwd9N0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=hwqs5n8f47DETdMmDiQJCHsE3EgMZqUUnfHSiNAHlUY6GAmo+7p9BUlFhlRn02JLMq QR691DPYrH3Hf8Nc8XZX+ALjf7KwD847U6Zs4koeCJdLdOBySgTXfdg65Wleuqni7T9f knHrMI/iHjBzOz6codak8jvLixJG1sgXlm3dA= Received: by 10.224.79.22 with SMTP id n22mr7832935qak.230.1255577836652; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:37:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.0.202? (173-24-127-191.client.mchsi.com [173.24.127.191]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm4796749qwb.42.2009.10.14.20.36.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:37:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4AD698C1.3000004@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:36:33 -0500 From: LoH User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lconrad@Go2France.com References: <200910142248.AA63898478@mail.Go2France.com> <20091014211055.GD52151@slackbox.xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: is this Intel CPU ok for 7.2 AMD64? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 03:37:17 -0000 Get cpuid from /usr/ports/misc/cpuid and run it, that should give you a better idea of what your processor is. Although, from the string you gave, looks like a 'yes'. I think that's a nocona xeon (I have a pair of gallatins). jhell wrote: > > On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:10, rsmith@ wrote: >> Yes. >> >> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:48:26PM +0200, Len Conrad wrote: >>> the FreeBSD 6.2 i386 dmesg.boot shows: >>> >>> CPU: Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.60GHz (3591.25-MHz 686-class CPU) >>> Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0xf41 Stepping = 1 >>> >>> Features=0xbfebfbff >>> >>> Features2=0x659d> >> >> You should be looking at the following line. LM means Long Mode, >> meaning it can >> run 64-bit instructions: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_mode]; >> >>> AMD Features=0x20100000 >> >> Roland >> > > My apologies to the original poster. I tend to usually mix up these > two arch's for some reason or another. Thanks to the second poster for > clearing that up. > > -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 03:42:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F4148106566B for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 03:42:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nlandys@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f203.google.com (mail-qy0-f203.google.com [209.85.221.203]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B26B18FC26 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 03:42:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk42 with SMTP id 42so384055qyk.28 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:42:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=uFtXwYMQwFbpT/mq05FTfKB8/0ncQSVSDgIk9FHOR38=; b=dwy62ikXvPgXsTUHfYa8nyQx3oVB18PktRMrjeWFjcKk0cYaVsg1ojQNiR8eWVeP1g ryina0Ir8ShRMgFWqpBJxVJ/60tUzHnVnlrPlel75W7hvaP/nLnCvnH3SgLfoLpiqI6L H7jfbduy/D7Tchw497SyntpKV4rsIjYYZGcZc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=oV1hjVhtMRsClSd4qJo+z3Zw0L3bBU/oOisDeBFrQd2W5U2pvOfijJdRbc3ByAbUDk JFLgfBPz4IsCKSOutQ32VrcgYk2Un38KA4iuSZpLWXQXhvmBjZycAtCDxxQGbMX3dDVf GhgJzRm6Q2LxdCSzeBuf+yv20JcnO46w+Kmcw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.10.13 with SMTP id n13mr3765428qcn.103.1255578167212; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:42:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:42:47 -0700 Message-ID: <560f92640910142042tc46f1e3lb81ac1e4528a44ab@mail.gmail.com> From: Nerius Landys To: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Subject: Best procedure for full backup of live system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 03:42:48 -0000 My server is increasingly having important work stored on it, and I need to start taking backups of a lot of directories, especially /home, /opt, /etc, /usr/local/etc, and maybe others. The ideal backup (and what I've done in the past) is to take a full low-level dd image of the disk while the system is down (this is easy to do in a situation where you have dual boot). Or, since the output of dd would take up tons of space and would only be usable on an identical hard drive, use "dump" to take the backup while the machine is turned off (again easy to do on a dual boot). But now, I cannot bring down the machine. My plan is to do a tar gzip of / on the fly, and pipe that to ssh (remote machine). However, the system is live, and files will be in the progress of changing. My question is, what is the recommended procedure of taking a full backup on a live system? Ideally, if my hard drive were to crash, I would like to have such a backup so as to make it possible to copy over the entire backup to a new identical harddrive without doing any reinstall or configuration. Should I use tar/gzip? dump? What exact command should I use? I guess I'll back up all of / including system files, because there is not too much data. I will be piping the output to ssh. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 03:51:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 294101065676 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 03:51:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lordofhyphens@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f214.google.com (mail-gx0-f214.google.com [209.85.217.214]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D25978FC0A for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 03:51:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk6 with SMTP id 6so493425gxk.13 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:51:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=4Itc5/pYeWpVmMv2HcVVK8rMr68++7Pq8yb2EFikx/c=; b=bkr33ZM8Kv0XIyrZ+a1TzWs18kmn9MjMYTgpTaDqudHkBw+WxgCC/1ZWCnujNlWc/Z BH8iCXWdzAdYPh8WN233t8XKFh+cRnhBx6u9e2tvJf52TwEPBXlioeRYTFngbwS6nqAs +qK5+i0xwLa64VgeMRtaskNXsqDGa0+eR0fyU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=lyUh2/4lS4NRx+n0M7f2KZT/YR88GXDixuIX/+DWA0KRXzkl2YDy9PHeFjNYozPL3s 2yxu8ZyehdAQb/pwE0CmUfO0OOTeHT0PoBvl2szWsGTnGK1WHaETrQEZ4GaY348hBAhR k6zi0Ib15OFi1rF0Uzyrl3PJr8OCfZFF+rjnM= Received: by 10.150.43.17 with SMTP id q17mr16339868ybq.197.1255578682996; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:51:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.0.202? (173-24-127-191.client.mchsi.com [173.24.127.191]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 14sm838445gxk.2.2009.10.14.20.51.19 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:51:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4AD69C32.7000601@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:51:14 -0500 From: LoH User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nerius Landys References: <560f92640910142042tc46f1e3lb81ac1e4528a44ab@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <560f92640910142042tc46f1e3lb81ac1e4528a44ab@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Best procedure for full backup of live system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 03:51:24 -0000 Take a UFS2 snapshot and then backup the snapshot. A similar approach using ZFS snapshots would also work. See the handbook for more details. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/backup-strategies.html Nerius Landys wrote: > My server is increasingly having important work stored on it, and I > need to start taking backups of a lot of directories, especially > /home, /opt, /etc, /usr/local/etc, and maybe others. The ideal backup > (and what I've done in the past) is to take a full low-level dd image > of the disk while the system is down (this is easy to do in a > situation where you have dual boot). Or, since the output of dd would > take up tons of space and would only be usable on an identical hard > drive, use "dump" to take the backup while the machine is turned off > (again easy to do on a dual boot). But now, I cannot bring down the > machine. My plan is to do a tar gzip of / on the fly, and pipe that > to ssh (remote machine). However, the system is live, and files will > be in the progress of changing. > > My question is, what is the recommended procedure of taking a full > backup on a live system? Ideally, if my hard drive were to crash, I > would like to have such a backup so as to make it possible to copy > over the entire backup to a new identical harddrive without doing any > reinstall or configuration. Should I use tar/gzip? dump? What exact > command should I use? I guess I'll back up all of / including system > files, because there is not too much data. I will be piping the > output to ssh. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 03:51:54 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E87210656B5 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 03:51:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shinjii@maydias.com) Received: from relay04.mail-hub.dodo.com.au (relay04.mail-hub.dodo.com.au [123.2.6.239]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CCC28FC2A for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 03:51:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 122-148-122-57.static.dsl.dodo.com.au ([122.148.122.57] helo=enterprise.blackthorn.nu) by relay04.mail-hub.dodo.com.au with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1MyHNC-0007DA-TS; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:51:45 +1100 Message-ID: <4AD69CC1.9080402@maydias.com> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:53:37 +1000 From: Warren Liddell User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090410) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Bertrand References: <4AD66105.8040504@maydias.com> <4AD67F08.7060104@ibctech.ca> In-Reply-To: <4AD67F08.7060104@ibctech.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Multiple qt4 issues X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 03:51:54 -0000 > Do a: > > %pkg_version -v > ~/pv.out > > ...and then review the ~/pv.out file *manually* to see if you can > identify any oddities. (yes, grep is good and grep is great, but I've > missed obvious things by grep'ing the pkg db in the past). > > I'm personally not one to help with GUI things, but hopefully my > suggestion may provide a lead. > > Steve I solved that issue, after reading info in UPDATING .. however the issue now is qt4-designer -------------------------------------------------------------- : undefined reference to `qdesigner_internal::QDesignerSharedSettings::formTemplatePaths() const' .obj/release-shared/saveformastemplate.o(.text+0x12d3): In function `SaveFormAsTemplate::SaveFormAsTemplate(QDesignerFormEditorInterface*, QDesignerFormWindowInterface*, QWidget*)': : undefined reference to `qdesigner_internal::QDesignerSharedSettings::formTemplatePaths() const' .obj/release-shared/newform.o(.text+0x5): In function `NewForm::grabForm(QDesignerFormEditorInterface*, QIODevice&, QString const&, qdesigner_internal::DeviceProfile const&)': : undefined reference to `qdesigner_internal::NewFormWidget::grabForm(QDesignerFormEditorInterface*, QIODevice&, QString const&, qdesigner_internal::DeviceProfile const&)' .obj/release-shared/newform.o(.text+0xcfc): In function `NewForm::NewForm(QDesignerWorkbench*, QWidget*, QString const&)': : undefined reference to `QDesignerNewFormWidgetInterface::createNewFormWidget(QDesignerFormEditorInterface*, QWidget*)' .obj/release-shared/newform.o(.text+0x112c): In function `NewForm::NewForm(QDesignerWorkbench*, QWidget*, QString const&)': : undefined reference to `QDesignerNewFormWidgetInterface::createNewFormWidget(QDesignerFormEditorInterface*, QWidget*)' .obj/release-shared/preferencesdialog.o(.text+0x245): In function `PreferencesDialog::PreferencesDialog(QDesignerFormEditorInterface*, QWidget*)': : undefined reference to `QDesignerFormEditorInterface::optionsPages() const' .obj/release-shared/preferencesdialog.o(.text+0x625): In function `PreferencesDialog::PreferencesDialog(QDesignerFormEditorInterface*, QWidget*)': : undefined reference to `QDesignerFormEditorInterface::optionsPages() const' /usr/local/lib/qt4/libQtDesigner.so: undefined reference to `QCss::Parser::parse(QCss::StyleSheet*)' *** Error code 1 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/devel/qt4-designer. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 04:03:25 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1524106566B for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 04:03:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C9678FC14 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 04:03:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9F43O7k075653; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:03:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n9F43O7x075650; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:03:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:03:24 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Nerius Landys In-Reply-To: <560f92640910142042tc46f1e3lb81ac1e4528a44ab@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <560f92640910142042tc46f1e3lb81ac1e4528a44ab@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.2 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:03:25 -0600 (MDT) Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best procedure for full backup of live system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 04:03:26 -0000 On Wed, 14 Oct 2009, Nerius Landys wrote: > My question is, what is the recommended procedure of taking a full > backup on a live system? Ideally, if my hard drive were to crash, I > would like to have such a backup so as to make it possible to copy > over the entire backup to a new identical harddrive without doing any > reinstall or configuration. Should I use tar/gzip? dump? What exact > command should I use? dump(8) with the -L option will take a snapshot of a live filesystem and then back that up. -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 04:21:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D61B106566B for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 04:21:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from smtp.ibctech.ca (v6.ibctech.ca [IPv6:2607:f118::b6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 050ED8FC1B for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 04:21:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 12348 invoked by uid 89); 15 Oct 2009 04:22:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?IPv6:2607:f118::5?) (steve@ibctech.ca@2607:f118::5) by 2607:f118::b6 with ESMTPA; 15 Oct 2009 04:22:01 -0000 Message-ID: <4AD6A363.6050902@ibctech.ca> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 00:21:55 -0400 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warren Liddell References: <4AD66105.8040504@maydias.com> <4AD67F08.7060104@ibctech.ca> <4AD69CC1.9080402@maydias.com> In-Reply-To: <4AD69CC1.9080402@maydias.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Multiple qt4 issues X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 04:21:35 -0000 Warren Liddell wrote: > >> Do a: >> >> %pkg_version -v > ~/pv.out >> >> ...and then review the ~/pv.out file *manually* to see if you can >> identify any oddities. (yes, grep is good and grep is great, but I've >> missed obvious things by grep'ing the pkg db in the past). >> >> I'm personally not one to help with GUI things, but hopefully my >> suggestion may provide a lead. >> >> Steve > > I solved that issue, after reading info in UPDATING .. however the issue > now is qt4-designer ... after a quick literal Google search, it appears that qt4-designer is a 'Linux' thing with a GUI resemblance. I don't know what to do other than offer: http://qt.nokia.com/doc/4.0/qt4-designer.html ( "TrollTech"? ) With a q&d search, it appears as though others have had issues with qt4-designer as well, trying to run it within a GUI atop of FreeBSD recently: http://osdir.com/ml/kde-freebsd/2009-10/msg00014.html ...again, I don't do GUI w/FBSD, so this is far out of my scope. This is a ^bump if anything. Good luck! Steve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 05:40:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9517E106566B for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 05:40:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from smtp.ibctech.ca (v6.ibctech.ca [IPv6:2607:f118::b6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 684D18FC12 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 05:40:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 14381 invoked by uid 89); 15 Oct 2009 05:40:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?IPv6:2607:f118::5?) (steve@ibctech.ca@2607:f118::5) by 2607:f118::b6 with ESMTPA; 15 Oct 2009 05:40:50 -0000 Message-ID: <4AD6B5DC.9010407@ibctech.ca> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 01:40:44 -0400 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nerius Landys References: <560f92640910142042tc46f1e3lb81ac1e4528a44ab@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <560f92640910142042tc46f1e3lb81ac1e4528a44ab@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best procedure for full backup of live system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 05:40:24 -0000 Nerius Landys wrote: > My server is increasingly having important work stored on it, and I > need to start taking backups of a lot of directories, especially > /home, /opt, /etc, /usr/local/etc, and maybe others. The ideal backup > (and what I've done in the past) is to take a full low-level dd image > of the disk while the system is down (this is easy to do in a > situation where you have dual boot). Or, since the output of dd would > take up tons of space and would only be usable on an identical hard > drive, use "dump" to take the backup while the machine is turned off > (again easy to do on a dual boot). But now, I cannot bring down the > machine. My plan is to do a tar gzip of / on the fly, and pipe that > to ssh (remote machine). However, the system is live, and files will > be in the progress of changing. > > My question is, what is the recommended procedure of taking a full > backup on a live system? Ideally, if my hard drive were to crash, I > would like to have such a backup so as to make it possible to copy > over the entire backup to a new identical harddrive without doing any > reinstall or configuration. Should I use tar/gzip? dump? What exact > command should I use? I guess I'll back up all of / including system > files, because there is not too much data. I will be piping the > output to ssh. Always consider, document and thoroughly test-utilize anything that 'Warren Block' has to say about backup and archiving ( search the archives for his name ). *always* remember that _archive_ is not a _backup_. *always* remember that if you have neither an archive or a backup, you are a complete failure as an 'admin' in general. *never* be responsible for losing data...EVER. I like to use space on remote servers ( or oftentimes local disks ) as clone-able space. To manufacture a live clone, I love rsync(1). Without getting into the nitty-gritty ( ( proper db mgmt pausing etc ), Here is a q&d example to get the blood flowing.. comment the first line...legal..blah etc ): # rsync -arcvv \ # be very verbose --exclude=/backup \ # ignore our backup location --exclude=/tmp \ # ignore sessions, etc --delete-after \ # delete changes since last rsync / \ # sync this.... /backup # ...to this... Steve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 06:42:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A9D1106566B for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 06:42:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from smtp.ibctech.ca (v6.ibctech.ca [IPv6:2607:f118::b6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9F8B08FC08 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 06:42:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 15806 invoked by uid 89); 15 Oct 2009 06:42:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?IPv6:2607:f118::5?) (steve@ibctech.ca@2607:f118::5) by 2607:f118::b6 with ESMTPA; 15 Oct 2009 06:42:50 -0000 Message-ID: <4AD6C463.40307@ibctech.ca> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 02:42:43 -0400 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nerius Landys References: <560f92640910142042tc46f1e3lb81ac1e4528a44ab@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <560f92640910142042tc46f1e3lb81ac1e4528a44ab@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best procedure for full backup of live system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 06:42:22 -0000 Nerius Landys wrote: > My server is increasingly having important work stored on it, and I > need to start taking backups of a lot of directories, especially > /home, /opt, /etc, /usr/local/etc, and maybe others. The ideal backup > (and what I've done in the past) is to take a full low-level dd image > of the disk while the system is down (this is easy to do in a > situation where you have dual boot). ...but you've found recently that it isn't scalable. > Or, since the output of dd would > take up tons of space and would only be usable on an identical hard > drive, use "dump" to take the backup while the machine is turned off > (again easy to do on a dual boot). But now, I cannot bring down the > machine. My plan is to do a tar gzip of / on the fly, and pipe that > to ssh (remote machine). However, the system is live, and files will > be in the progress of changing. ...quick hack, tested example ( recommended for a quick fix only. do a proper archive ) %pwd /home/steve %mkdir arch && ls | grep arch arch %echo "blah, blah" >> arch/file.txt %cat !$ cat arch/file.txt blah, blah # now, even though this is a ~ example, I use / all the time... tarball /home/steve/arch directory ( and contents ) to a different server: %tar -cvzf - arch | ssh steve@amanda.eagle.ca ' cat > arch_test.tar.gz' a arch a arch/file.txt ... after key-auth ( or password auth ) to remote SSH server, on the remote server: %pwd /usr/home/steve %ll | grep arch -rw-r--r-- 1 steve steve 10240 Oct 15 02:16 arch_test.tar.gz %pwd /usr/home/steve %mkdir restore-test %mv arch_test.tar.gz restore-test/ %cd !$ cd restore-test/ %tar -xzvf arch_test.tar.gz x arch/ x arch/file.txt %cd arch %ll total 1 -rw-r--r-- 1 steve steve 11 Oct 15 02:17 file.txt ... booya, restored, on a remote server...look: %cat file.txt blah, blah ...Just like that! If I've missed something, forgive me. I swear that doing a 'backup' to a remote location with a FreeBSD box is honestly *nearly* as easy to this Canadian as packing snow into an iceball to hit the bus with ;) Steve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 06:58:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DD58106568F for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 06:58:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from j.mckeown@ru.ac.za) Received: from a.mail.ru.ac.za (a.mail.ru.ac.za [IPv6:2001:4200:1010::25:1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 484368FC19 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 06:58:45 +0000 (UTC) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=ru-msa; d=ru.ac.za; h=Received:From:Organization:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:References:In-Reply-To:X-Face:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Message-Id:X-Virus-Scanned:X-Authenticated-User; b=ZJzyO8tRGbptCnbf1CwWslUhAVywef7pOrBriVkFUj7EyUuFh2OmUounwh/Vut7Xb4a8xC5a8GvrFJGP7CAFzcLdB3yNHk2a8qrNLFGAgI711akU5Tkbghnv8nRUJGrB; Received: from vorkosigan.ru.ac.za ([2001:4200:1010:1058:219:d1ff:fe9f:a932]:54816) by a.mail.ru.ac.za with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1MyKIJ-0003Ia-2N for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:58:39 +0200 From: Jonathan McKeown Organization: Rhodes University To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:58:38 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <2345d18f0910130813j6a2bbde0sec59647f44d43585@mail.gmail.com> <200910140902.27825.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <2345d18f0910140904v3e2e9f37hbaabc05cb561a19d@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <2345d18f0910140904v3e2e9f37hbaabc05cb561a19d@mail.gmail.com> X-Face: $@VrUx^RHy/}yu]jKf/<4T%/d|F+$j-Ol2"2J$q+%OK1]&/G_S9(=?utf-8?q?HkaQ*=60!=3FYOK=3FY!=27M=60C=0A=09aP=5C9nVPF8Q=7DCilHH8l=3B=7E!4?= =?utf-8?q?2HK6=273lg4J=7Daz?=@1Dqqh:J]M^"YPn*2IWrZON$1+G?oX3@ =?utf-8?q?k=230=0A=0954XDRg=3DYn=5FF-etwot4U=24b?=dTS{i X-Virus-Scanned: a.mail.ru.ac.za (2001:4200:1010::25:1) X-Authenticated-User: s0900137 from vorkosigan.ru.ac.za (2001:4200:1010:1058:219:d1ff:fe9f:a932) using auth_plaintext Subject: Re: NTP Client synchronization with a Windows 2003/2008 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 06:58:46 -0000 On Wednesday 14 October 2009 18:04:41 Jacques Henry wrote: > > Alternatively, from the commandline try > > > > ntpd -g -q -c /etc/ntp.conf > > > > The -g flag allows ntpd to set the clock once regardless of the offset > > and the -q causes it to quit after setting the time. > > I tried this command without success... I can see the NTP packets (client > and server) but the clock is never set.... Are you running with an elevated securelevel? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 07:12:37 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E0F21065679 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 07:12:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grarpamp@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f218.google.com (mail-ew0-f218.google.com [209.85.219.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ADAA8FC13 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 07:12:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy18 with SMTP id 18so543730ewy.43 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 00:12:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=w3x9vuJ4dNJpaU+5xPfWe1mNa1t21XduFZXp2cvoT8k=; b=NEiQGFc+IOpUNJ3h0y0TtQE6lhAQEZ7ulW1MzjqLV8dbOfpOkeHjd0mcyQ+yzY512w NvkJOi6vgF0GfLQDQ4J+ykxOfaL2TYKGEY7qeAQVD+FrtGPQfun3pthx2AOY4ZoeK4ZL ImO0m2VDBA8QsCCUzjfzgyolg2Rd1pOsTnwjA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=YOCnE+fG7S3oBZei/ZcGYf0LlkvrEQMzBkcPDBu4s5oW0cSgmzeAdeHQ71Sg9JozAY a/h3qtgwRTm6PqBo+LlA3PXUOVL7LEfhgzqnwaRTY8C2mStohX1ZSV0JJYvbLs7TnSFI ukHBJEfVgqgEhIysNrwuf9eXF64NofWa7y+T8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.211.132.28 with SMTP id j28mr11593544ebn.95.1255590755296; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 00:12:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 03:12:35 -0400 Message-ID: From: grarpamp To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Adding up kernel mem usage X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 07:12:37 -0000 Is multiplying out the size and used columns from vmstat -z completely in addition to the amount used in vmstat -m, or do some of them overlap? vmstat -z | sed 's,^.*:,,' | sed -E 's,^ +,,' | sed -E 's/^([0-9]+),[^,]+, +/\1*/;s/,.*$//' | egrep '^[0-9]' | bc | add 58483416 Is netstat -m accounted for in one of the two vmstat's? systat -vm 1 Mem:KB REAL VIRTUAL Tot Share Tot Share Free Act 191564 39548 461348 48380 566632 All 423996 42600 2619680 53448 I'm not sure what Share means in this context? Thanks. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 07:17:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B72581065676 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 07:17:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grarpamp@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f218.google.com (mail-ew0-f218.google.com [209.85.219.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 537918FC1A for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 07:17:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy18 with SMTP id 18so546399ewy.43 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 00:17:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=4SMWpAdenFtclCWH9ZcZvmAhPRUWGzp0pCdgptmvnXA=; b=BxKzb3MPAUBSxtQug4YKAxsOUPx9U2T/w5clXF9rxng77Zag2l+u2UksWGQ/mzRzqg FOx/HDko7txV0F4LgCIFPx3vo6hPZjSuy+eOYmQLPInRlAX+pa+cEdltD4mQ5614OCmD 8nBAHmW7Riqy7c0IMcQL5PBo+AY0i6WISiAlo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=IzeqEwHIiKes2G1GIfdoq2xS2++Eq1+nxWRWj04ootXkJMORjsXvXedEZGlzf33O/F DMEf/1+Vj3yzZqICJ4S8etX7rO28bKCRMqQLT0WxJ30dJEcv0knM8moaRr9uyb0ymkm8 sQBNHadiYbMRsmvrFT3dcMmj6gRhIXroYtL9o= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.211.132.37 with SMTP id j37mr4802253ebn.76.1255589742701; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:55:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 02:55:42 -0400 Message-ID: From: grarpamp To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Adding up kernel mem usage X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 07:17:34 -0000 If I subtract vmstat and kldstat from wired, I'm missing approx 100M. What am I doing wrong or what should I be adding up to find the total mem in use by the kernel and a breakdown of that usage? Thanks. top -SH -d 1 1000 | egrep '^Mem:' Mem: 114M Active, 65M Inact, 258M Wired, 468K Cache, 46M Buf, 551M Free vmstat -m | sed -E 's,^(.............),,' | awk '{print $2}' | sed 's,K,,' | egrep -v MemUse | add 143920 { printf 'ibase=16\n' ; kldstat | tr '[:lower:]' '[:upper:]' | egrep -v SIZE | awk '{print $4}' | tr '\n' '\+' | sed 's,+$,,' ; } | bc 13986028 vmstat procs memory page disks faults cpu r b w avm fre flt re pi po fr sr ad0 ad4 in sy cs us sy id 1 0 0 461M 551M 68 0 0 0 88 0 0 0 26 1189 654 3 1 97 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 08:18:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 343B6106566B for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:18:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Joerg.Schilling9ab33xy531fokus.fraunhofer.de@bounce.antispameurope.com) Received: from relay01-haj2.antispameurope.com (relay01-haj2.antispameurope.com [83.246.65.51]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B94D58FC17 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:18:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by relay01-haj2.antispameurope.com (ASE-Secure-MTA, from userid 1000) id F1CF5940C1; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:18:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de [195.37.77.164]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by relay01-haj2.antispameurope.com (ASE-Secure-MTA) with ESMTP id 60D3E94088; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:18:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de (bohr.fokus.fraunhofer.de [10.147.9.231]) by pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n9F8I2Il025123; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:18:02 +0200 (MEST) Received: from rigel ([10.147.65.195]) by EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:18:02 +0200 Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:16:32 +0200 From: Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) To: noc@hdk5.net, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, wblock@wonkity.com Message-ID: <4ad6da60.qvbHHxwf0N70A4ac%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> User-Agent: nail 11.22 3/20/05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Oct 2009 08:18:02.0612 (UTC) FILETIME=[03A23B40:01CA4D70] Cc: Subject: Re: mkisofs error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:18:08 -0000 Be _very_ careful, genisoimage is full of bugs and creates defective filesystems. Do not use it, genisoimage is unmaintained and does not even support files > 4 GB! Other well known bugs in genisoimage create defective directory entries for "." and "..". This is because genisoimage is based on a 5 year old version of mkisofs with additional bugs added that never have been in the original software. Mkisofs has no known bugs and is well maintained. I see no reason why mkisofs should be the cause for your problem... Well you did not describe the problem in a way that could allow to analyse the background. Possible reasons for your problem could be read errors on the medium, check using: readcd f=/dev/null whether the medium is fully readable. Another possible reason could be a problem in the filesystem driver of the kernel. If a file gives a read error, there should be a kernel message related to the problem. If you are able to extract the file using "isoinfo" using the ISO-9660 name of the file (be careful not to use the defective "isoinfo" that comes with "cdrkit"), the problem is definitely not in mkisofs. BTW: do you use a recent or an outdated mkisofs? The latest version of mkisofs is 2.01.01a66 and FreeBSD by default unfortunately distributes extremely outdated versions..... Jörg -- EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) joerg.schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 08:29:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24662106566B for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:29:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f222.google.com (mail-fx0-f222.google.com [209.85.220.222]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A37FF8FC1B for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:29:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm22 with SMTP id 22so764494fxm.36 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 01:29:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=mm+SKGUKVWRM1DuiJHd+hmmxxmHGzXnQwM2eNf/BBrk=; b=tHfVCSrUlRJGMg5+VTMB6wQFaHddIjNFGiD4jNe7UYKXKrZwuD8jN3JAgDcMkk2D1O h0mvnFmrv0rlpNGO8Kxa/bnui0jEzW6Rv9G5AR7vR8Kp5doGOTOMxwCK1ikFXbZS2MTP JYWq5g/nkZ3uRuUtvrpgf/XI2S4R0ftHDlI+4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=GKuMXtloqH8eT6RWDcQT1xi2Qrcubok7oeMIHaAOLsF4sAxmtQ71oKdx8IxKnVI5gv D7IK0ZNHvrBfcyFukzG/zGBoMfklSIXOclC8t68TtKMpmHb820Q4ItH+l608s+0/bc6d oVJcVnUhQ5R3N6m0q4sNHm9UPu00aECha+EB8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.145.142 with SMTP id s14mr659054hba.144.1255595388418; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 01:29:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <2345d18f0910130813j6a2bbde0sec59647f44d43585@mail.gmail.com> <2345d18f0910130921g17b8d9fdy8fdb99bd5a0e8cf4@mail.gmail.com> <4AD4AE89.6010802@radel.com> <200910140902.27825.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <2345d18f0910140904v3e2e9f37hbaabc05cb561a19d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:29:48 +0100 Message-ID: From: krad To: Chris Hill Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Jacques Henry Subject: Re: NTP Client synchronization with a Windows 2003/2008 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:29:50 -0000 2009/10/15 Chris Hill > On Wed, 14 Oct 2009, Jacques Henry wrote: > > The 19 minutes between when I sent my suggestions and you responded is >>>> hardly enough time to see if ntpd was slewing the time. Slewing 587 >>>> seconds takes days. >>>> >>> >>> >> The thing is that ntpd is not slewing the time at all, even after several >> hours!! >> > > If I may pipe up... Can you not set the clock manually, then let ntpd take > it from there? Seems like your clock would become synced a lot faster if it > started out "close". Sorry if I'm being naive, but this seemed like the > obvious thing to do. > > -- > Chris Hill chris@monochrome.org > ** [ Busy Expunging <|> ] > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > sometimes the crude and simple methods are the best 8) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 08:46:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BC8C106566B for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:46:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from caramba696@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f171.google.com (mail-yx0-f171.google.com [209.85.210.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9A328FC20 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:46:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxe1 with SMTP id 1so699386yxe.3 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 01:46:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=mF2+NO6B1wQ7ybgAIcosRRS88i8+yTlUnt3TbeIA4qM=; b=eulvl0vqi4FZGcZnXHmnk4NG/txtBtXZs4PDQzHCyrEhqIV0/mHygr/d36YzQbNbYe /hFk+vYegTieoddeBP66lOwi26JGB4qLUjK1brfAd3cZeB2iqN3uyoLFcRLHLOSKQC5M nsiDdzlzgBVhes2aZMPoev2xLhygXpsv0it/U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=VwUM2KeAFpQSUrNv8gL15k+yc14Q/Th3CswIqh45IUS5nLd3jtsgmc9uC9AT4KSThx AmYQSJZW0mc+EqdSDrr8HhlOL8d9sLQdRkWqwcWsoQ0gMwICtYxZJRBYnsR876feowCt x3J7va0gCZ6ESaAgOQRM0VKnAYXJj0QmYX55w= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.235.21 with SMTP id i21mr8481719anh.96.1255596363182; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 01:46:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <2345d18f0910130813j6a2bbde0sec59647f44d43585@mail.gmail.com> <2345d18f0910130921g17b8d9fdy8fdb99bd5a0e8cf4@mail.gmail.com> <4AD4AE89.6010802@radel.com> <200910140902.27825.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <2345d18f0910140904v3e2e9f37hbaabc05cb561a19d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:46:03 +0200 Message-ID: <2345d18f0910150146i38d25865y42dd48730c630835@mail.gmail.com> From: Jacques Henry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: NTP Client synchronization with a Windows 2003/2008 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:46:04 -0000 > > If I may pipe up... Can you not set the clock manually, then let ntpd take > it from there? Seems like your clock would become synced a lot faster if it > started out "close". Sorry if I'm being naive, but this seemed like the > obvious thing to do. > > Don't apologize! Any input is valuable! But I don't quite understand what you meant about "let ntpd take it from here" or "if it started out close"... (I am French and maybe you're using a figure of language I don't understand...) Are you running with an elevated securelevel? No the Secure Level is -1... But I've found the beginning of a solution... It doesn't come from ntpd but from the Windows Time Server. When configured to sync with its internal clock, the NTP Server IP packets that goes to the client contain strange values (rootdispersion, etc.) that are higher than expected. Thus, ntpd doesn't consider the Windows Server as a reliable source. But once the windows server configured to sync with an external source, it works! The IP packets generated from the windows server begin to look like "real" and reliable answer to ntpd... I'm working now on a correct configuration of the Windows Server. Thanks again to all! 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I just followed the instruction for FreeBSD rout= er. =20 Once more thanks=2C Arkady Tokaev > Date: Thu=2C 15 Oct 2009 00:38:03 +0200 > From: freebsd@edvax.de > To: tokaev@hotmail.com > CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Unknown devices >=20 > On Wed=2C 14 Oct 2009 23:04:51 +0400=2C Arkady Tokaev wrote: > >=20 > > While I was trying to update ports I have received message > > about absence disk space.It's impossible=2C I thought.But df > > command said: >=20 > > $ df -h > > Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > > /dev/ad0s1a 23G 3.5G 18G 16% / > > devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev > > /dev/md0 9.4M 2.8M 6.5M 30% /etc > > /dev/md1 31M 16M 13M 55% /usr/local/etc > > /dev/md2 19M 18K 19M 0% /root > > /dev/md3 31M 6.1M 24M 20% /var > > $ > > What is the md devices?How I can remove them? >=20 > See "man md": The md devices refer to memory disks=2C RAM that > "emulates" a hard disk. >=20 > Sadly=2C I don't recognize a reason why your /etc=2C /usr/local/etc=2C > /root and /var subtrees are mounted onto memory disks... seems > that you're not running a default install=2C do you? >=20 > Regarding your initial problem - updating ports - this involves > writing operations in the ports directory (usually /usr/ports > which may be a subtree of /dev/ad0s1a on / in your setting) as > well as in /var=2C especially /var/db/pkg=2C the installed packages > database=2C and /var/ports. When /var is a memory disk with 30 MB=2C > it may be too small for such a process. Furthermore=2C if I see this > correctly=2C you're loosing the content of the package database > on reboot=3B is this intended? >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Polytropon > Magdeburg=2C Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe=2C Mousa=2C ... =20 _________________________________________________________________ =BD=D5 =E5=DE=E2=D8=E2=D5=2C =E7=E2=DE=D1=EB =DA=E2=DE-=E2=DE =D7=DD=D0=DB= =2C =E7=E2=DE =D2=EB =D4=D5=DB=D0=DB=D8 =D2 =B8=DD=E2=D5=E0=DD=D5=E2=D5 =D2= =E7=D5=E0=D0? =B2=D0=DC =DD=E3=D6=D5=DD Internet Explorer 8. http://www.microsoft.ru/ie8= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 12:29:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D508B1065676 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:29:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from konstantinman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f222.google.com (mail-fx0-f222.google.com [209.85.220.222]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D8758FC23 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:29:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm22 with SMTP id 22so1017011fxm.36 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 05:29:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=ro1SCAmJg0R9NVN7SSCl2dT3akgkdA6CzQImheiK+tE=; b=fwlGz4WQroAC461MUmT7FoRofyHh7DAL4vWYSV/oCy44q3IOrhkq3lXlarubT++WbE YKN8G473H1D7qPYwfnVfQyc+ma4v+FqKdrCwa8+HkNFkaqotDxYJAk/h1maFCGz31qFr CdDdaz1UHHplnMIyxYZ9wdaL4Klm6wrfb+1jc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=CaytJf0rlWpbhX1MGYZzob7pAD2Lq2lVYrtU9a6EoonuQ0WSKLXGTi1zXuHLjGXRpR hYG8asA9vIfZ0XnGI7j07902qL472jBjs0LmlExUt0XBvwLGx4DIrUY3kb5+8OOyZthP MSb3s44KDL56ckfttx/vuWOEFL5i7W6XKYKPA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.54.15 with SMTP id o15mr498497fag.96.1255608391071; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 05:06:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:36:31 +0330 Message-ID: <6d94cbaa0910150506q47438fb2y2dc4e746ee591ace@mail.gmail.com> From: etrade business To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Subject: tbs 8920 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:29:42 -0000 hi how can i install tbs 8920 dvb card in free bsd? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 13:16:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF1E11065670 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:16:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lconrad@Go2France.com) Received: from mgw1.MEIway.com (mgw1.meiway.com [81.255.84.75]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76C408FC1C for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:16:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from VirusGate.MEIway.com (virusgate.meiway.com [81.255.84.76]) by mgw1.MEIway.com (Postfix Relay Hub) with ESMTP id 80261471FC1 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:16:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.Go2France.com (ms1.meiway.com [81.255.84.73]) by VirusGate.MEIway.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3BEF3866F8 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:16:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from lconrad@Go2France.com) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:13:49 +0200 Message-Id: <200910151513.AA205456278@mail.Go2France.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Len Conrad" X-Sender: To: X-Mailer: Subject: FWD: is this Intel CPU ok for 7.2 AMD64? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lconrad@Go2France.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:16:43 -0000 ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Len Conrad" Reply-To: Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:48:26 +0200 the FreeBSD 6.2 i386 dmesg.boot shows: CPU: Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.60GHz (3591.25-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0xf41 Stepping = 1 Features=0xbfebfbff Features2=0x659d> AMD Features=0x20100000 Logical CPUs per core: 2 real memory = 3220963328 (3071 MB) avail memory = 3150913536 (3004 MB) ACPI APIC Table: FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 4 CPUs cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID: 0 cpu1 (AP): APIC ID: 1 cpu2 (AP): APIC ID: 6 cpu3 (AP): APIC ID: 7 ioapic0: Changing APIC ID to 8 ioapic1: Changing APIC ID to 9 ioapic1: WARNING: intbase 32 != expected base 24 ioapic2: Changing APIC ID to 10 ioapic2: WARNING: intbase 64 != expected base 56 ioapic0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard ioapic1 irqs 32-55 on motherboard ioapic2 irqs 64-87 on motherboard thanks, Len ============== So, is there a definite, unique answer? Does it matter whether I run IA64 or AMD64 in the above Dell 1850? Len From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 13:23:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36F61106566C for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:23:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erikt@midgard.homeip.net) Received: from ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net (ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net [80.76.149.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC2488FC15 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:23:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c83-255-48-78.bredband.comhem.se ([83.255.48.78]:58343 helo=falcon.midgard.homeip.net) by ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1MyQI7-00043y-4D for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:22:53 +0200 Received: (qmail 62494 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2009 15:22:47 +0200 Received: from owl.midgard.homeip.net (10.1.5.7) by falcon.midgard.homeip.net with ESMTP; 15 Oct 2009 15:22:47 +0200 Received: (qmail 12182 invoked by uid 1001); 15 Oct 2009 15:22:47 +0200 Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:22:47 +0200 From: Erik Trulsson To: Len Conrad Message-ID: <20091015132247.GA12149@owl.midgard.homeip.net> References: <200910151513.AA205456278@mail.Go2France.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200910151513.AA205456278@mail.Go2France.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Originating-IP: 83.255.48.78 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1MyQI7-00043y-4D. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net 1MyQI7-00043y-4D 9a32327b7c9a10d4a791272688a03f36 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FWD: is this Intel CPU ok for 7.2 AMD64? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:23:01 -0000 On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 03:13:49PM +0200, Len Conrad wrote: > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "Len Conrad" > Reply-To: > Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:48:26 +0200 > > the FreeBSD 6.2 i386 dmesg.boot shows: > > CPU: Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.60GHz (3591.25-MHz 686-class CPU) > Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0xf41 Stepping = 1 > Features=0xbfebfbff > Features2=0x659d> > AMD Features=0x20100000 > Logical CPUs per core: 2 > real memory = 3220963328 (3071 MB) > avail memory = 3150913536 (3004 MB) > ACPI APIC Table: > FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 4 CPUs > cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID: 0 > cpu1 (AP): APIC ID: 1 > cpu2 (AP): APIC ID: 6 > cpu3 (AP): APIC ID: 7 > ioapic0: Changing APIC ID to 8 > ioapic1: Changing APIC ID to 9 > ioapic1: WARNING: intbase 32 != expected base 24 > ioapic2: Changing APIC ID to 10 > ioapic2: WARNING: intbase 64 != expected base 56 > ioapic0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard > ioapic1 irqs 32-55 on motherboard > ioapic2 irqs 64-87 on motherboard > > thanks, > Len > > ============== > > So, is there a definite, unique answer? > > Does it matter whether I run IA64 or AMD64 in the above Dell 1850? It matters very much. AMD64 should work fine. IA64 will will not work at all. -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 13:30:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF072106566B for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:30:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f218.google.com (mail-ew0-f218.google.com [209.85.219.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C8658FC16 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:30:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy18 with SMTP id 18so806597ewy.43 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 06:30:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=oVd5ModJgaAc8TNVm2p5NMnFnzozCtGjYvwPOP0tHkg=; b=nZQMTBu5C6+0KaG+5m6Fkm0YiqhCsHfX5WLaHg/cyQHSdUXpzUc9mNf+C8RnznUqWD ZL9OdZd6BsC5LZRP0Xw+0oPHkS/l52ykxMvRojwv4E2VOC7WBN5Peb2nlSuhmmOoWNCn CRKpHRJm5KsRpQP119bEnz0WwBX0lJMreQstM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=f+z0fQpJ1H4gGU+50CTqnYxHUA7OP7KL48ffnNNw+ZCPuSGcFy3x6xqMxctgto1LiE bwv8GCsGZgHrbPZxZ9jrU5n65aQd5daARsXUtsu1At+3d3VkemXAw/1OHv827C8G4SJ0 gWknQKfqL7jULjsL6+t8QgF/oHwB1mAd43OLo= Received: by 10.211.146.31 with SMTP id y31mr9128161ebn.72.1255613400366; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 06:30:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm3547991eyh.9.2009.10.15.06.29.52 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 15 Oct 2009 06:29:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:29:44 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20091015142944.7befda8c@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20091014115949.33b1adb4@scorpio.seibercom.net> References: <20091014153100.GH22136@ece.pdx.edu> <20091014115949.33b1adb4@scorpio.seibercom.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.16.6; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Graphics card recommendation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:30:01 -0000 On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:59:49 -0400 Jerry wrote: > nVidia (AMD64) is not supported in 7.x versions of FreeBSD as far as I > know. There was some talk of it being supported in 8.x, but I have > not heard from anyone actually doing so. The existing driver is 32 bit and will never run on amd64. What's happened is that 8-current has provided some of the VM features that nVidia regard as prerequisites for a new 64-bit driver. > All my machines use nvidea > cards, and the lack of support for it in FBSD, even after an extended > period of time, is a real PIA. Right, but for most of that time the ball has been in FreeBSD's court. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 13:56:25 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58B35106566B for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:56:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gandalf@shopzeus.com) Received: from viefep12-int.chello.at (viefep12-int.chello.at [62.179.121.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98B658FC1D for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:56:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edge01.upc.biz ([192.168.13.236]) by viefep19-int.chello.at (InterMail vM.7.09.01.00 201-2219-108-20080618) with ESMTP id <20091015134013.ZBNK19940.viefep19-int.chello.at@edge01.upc.biz> for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:40:13 +0200 Received: from [192.168.1.105] ([80.99.119.222]) by edge01.upc.biz with edge id t1gB1c05M4nzUNg011gCnW; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:40:13 +0200 X-SourceIP: 80.99.119.222 Message-ID: <4AD7030F.4000902@shopzeus.com> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:40:07 +0430 From: Laszlo Nagy User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: 7.0 stable + postfix - how to setup chroot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:56:25 -0000 What I already did: syslogd_flags="-s -l /var/spool/postfix/var/run/log" # put into /etc/rc.conf Then I changed "n" to "y" for all lines in /usr/local/etc/postfix/master.cf in the "chroot" column. But I don't know how to create chrooted environment under /var/spool/postfix. Is there a command that can create it for me? Or is there a manual telling what files I need to copy from my root fs? Thanks, Laszlo From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 13:56:36 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F41A106568B for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:56:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f171.google.com (mail-yx0-f171.google.com [209.85.210.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AE018FC17 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:56:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxe1 with SMTP id 1so907428yxe.3 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 06:56:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=z9Wiq7Y0XdbVyY4xkUuf7KF2V3c3tPDsmlpdaRgR048=; b=pKtAcW3G8ljdAUA2pqZdmiKaeJVbj06D+bpsW/jfUgv/B6H4VurqSgIVRNYosDhEpv hKthubuCNyEuKVUKNgXDC51kOOF9e0ZUOXLBhg/0EbWJX10jQ5APmFxcl7FYI5lRxud3 TFVTQLDqni9mMFZpdQtFk01EH2bVtH7ra4M6U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=aBgEpWuTqu3gYJVgGJYuKSROmdaOIdJZ7HZNhFjOxGAm4ylYDfa/EyUHXdLczMXf46 UmHYfl8cKnGNQ4qQdDd6MZd/Aw15zXSdNJsbe7IFXv6GhEfyW3zb1njv4jcKPSeAqKjw RWUI6/NZv8utSVLFYtks3YtiRri1m9yxsw3IA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.183.17 with SMTP id s17mr5522hbg.172.1255614994786; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 06:56:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:56:34 +0100 Message-ID: From: krad To: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: zfs root X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:56:36 -0000 2009/10/3 krad > Hi, > > I have a quick question about freebsd on zfs root. I have built a few test > systems all work fine. I have one question though. Does the loader replay > any information when it accesses the pool? > > Basically im interested in how or what is done on reboot after the kernel > panic or power loss. Are there any safe gaurds with regard to the zpool > integrity? > > > > anybody? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 14:14:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAAD51065670 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:14:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 815138FC12 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:14:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id n9FEDMkG054707; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:13:22 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id n9FEDLli054706; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:13:21 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:13:21 -0400 From: Jerry McAllister To: PJ Message-ID: <20091015141321.GA54613@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <4AD640F5.20303@videotron.ca> <20091015000740.53ccdd0a.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AD67B06.9090408@videotron.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4AD67B06.9090408@videotron.ca> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: Manolis Kiagias , Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: clone-dump-restore X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:14:14 -0000 On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 09:29:42PM -0400, PJ wrote: > I believe that my problems arise out of subliminal refuse syndrome: the > brain refuses to comprehend dump and restore TOs and FROMs. > In other words, I'm beginning to see that > dump -0af TO ( - or device/file) FROM (device or directory/file) > and > restore -rf (TO curr.dir FROM device or file) > > or > dump -0af - (FROM device or file) | restore -rf - (TO device or directory) > > or do I still not have it right? > It's the stdout and stdin that makes me stumble. > Do I really need to mount the partitions or can I just dump and restore > from device to device directly? > The manual says I should be able to dump & restore across the lan too... Basically. on dump, the filesystem to be dumped comes last on the command line. The place to write the dump is that which is named right after the -f If there is no -f then it defaults to a tape device. If a '-' follows the -f, then it writes to standard out. The name must be the first thing after the -f or it will get confused. On restore, there is no filesystem name to come last. You have to be cd-ed to where you want it written. So, the only thing to consider is its -f. For restore, that tells from where to read. If it is a device or file name, it reads from that. If it is '-' it reads from standard in. If there is no -f it defaults to the tape device. Again, the name must be the first thing after the -f if there is a -f. The pipe '|' tells the system to take the standard out from the first process and feed it to the standard in of the second. That passing is not a function of dump/restore, but of the system. The pipe just passes data. It doesn't force the utilities (dump or restore) to do anything about it. But, putting the '-' on dump and restore tells them to pay attention to standard out/in. You can cause dump to send standard out over the net and restore to read standard in from the net. I used to do that, but it has been a long time and I don't have time at the moment to go and check the details to make sure I tell it correctly. ////jerry > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 14:16:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38E8C1065693 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:16:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from abalour@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f222.google.com (mail-fx0-f222.google.com [209.85.220.222]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 210658FC2A for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:16:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm22 with SMTP id 22so1139276fxm.36 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 07:16:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=cC2AdzAC8nNIGcf7x22MJzZRcDg4zCNyRVx9MQrcPkQ=; b=dTe/oBZfgSVa2aAYhAXdFZjHN1COmTdCHM0CGj+Wc6GKI4Iouh1ONn8yItOcJXYkvY HJt80mXjbPnwGRhSQq6XYRooCt6sdqg9R7MlxPqJva0tkSpx8Vf53Q6gwPY7DYstjXE/ KmQQ7Q4/hTIU7V2F5JGEaLCYMDeOaPsG8OVUc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; b=aaTVBdS1v+xhGvoZYy1/nI3O1KKnGxOGGvhOrmObpRnQIds8OlvLLmOXx6s1Fvm9ob FSb77RaSpypeW8uAYuA0fxmiZR/1m/DGy/ODaj2SenkOLaihuCCU/iBc96XypmxjXaNL p0htgQ2t7zOFo7kvvqKrf/j4wOQgsyAAvaGjs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.86.230.27 with SMTP id c27mr212431fgh.63.1255616167173; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 07:16:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200910151513.AA205456278@mail.Go2France.com> References: <200910151513.AA205456278@mail.Go2France.com> From: Ross Cameron Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:15:47 +0200 Message-ID: <35f70db10910150715x35925522q30e6e5368e33b30b@mail.gmail.com> To: lconrad@go2france.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: is this Intel CPU ok for 7.2 AMD64? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: ross.cameron@linuxpro.co.za List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:16:09 -0000 On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Len Conrad wrote: > Does it matter whether I run IA64 or AMD64 in the above Dell 1850? You wont even et IA64 booting as that is a compilation for Itanium processors. For the 64bit enabled Xeon processors Intel licensed the AMD64 instruction set. Therefor the correct distro to use on this machine would be AMD64 or i386 if you have a need to run 32bit software. -- "Opportunity is most often missed by people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work." Thomas Alva Edison Inventor of 1093 patents, including: The light bulb, phonogram and motion pictures. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 14:40:36 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05B1F1065700 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:40:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C43D8FC1E for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:40:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id n9FEdljs054793; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:39:47 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id n9FEdlIf054792; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:39:47 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:39:47 -0400 From: Jerry McAllister To: Nerius Landys Message-ID: <20091015143947.GB54613@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <560f92640910142042tc46f1e3lb81ac1e4528a44ab@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <560f92640910142042tc46f1e3lb81ac1e4528a44ab@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best procedure for full backup of live system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:40:36 -0000 On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 08:42:47PM -0700, Nerius Landys wrote: > My server is increasingly having important work stored on it, and I > need to start taking backups of a lot of directories, especially > /home, /opt, /etc, /usr/local/etc, and maybe others. The ideal backup > (and what I've done in the past) is to take a full low-level dd image > of the disk while the system is down (this is easy to do in a > situation where you have dual boot). Or, since the output of dd would > take up tons of space and would only be usable on an identical hard > drive, use "dump" to take the backup while the machine is turned off > (again easy to do on a dual boot). But now, I cannot bring down the > machine. My plan is to do a tar gzip of / on the fly, and pipe that > to ssh (remote machine). However, the system is live, and files will > be in the progress of changing. > > My question is, what is the recommended procedure of taking a full > backup on a live system? Ideally, if my hard drive were to crash, I > would like to have such a backup so as to make it possible to copy > over the entire backup to a new identical harddrive without doing any > reinstall or configuration. Should I use tar/gzip? dump? What exact > command should I use? I guess I'll back up all of / including system > files, because there is not too much data. I will be piping the > output to ssh. Use dump(8) to back up each filesystem that is important and that cannot be easily recreated (such as by reinstalling). Don't bother with any of that tar and dd stuff as long as the dump will be read on a similar system (FreeBSD). Use the -L switch for making a dump on a live filesystem. It forces a snapshot so files are not in transition while the backup is done - or rather, makes it so the backup is of an intact image. Your big issue then is where to write the dump, how often to do it and how many copies you want to keep of it. You can do full dumps and dumps of just what has changed since the last time a file was dumped. I call those full dumps and change dumps. The documentation referrs to them as level 0 for full dump and level 1-9 as the change dumps. The man pages give a complicated scheme for managing full and change dumps. Probably most people really need only a level 0 and a level 1, maybe a level 2. Basically the point of the change dumps is to make smaller backup images which takes less time and less media. You only make the full dump (level 0) once every week or every month - whatever your needs are. Then, in between you only dump the files that have changed since the last full dump. If that change dump file gets too big as well, then you jump to the next level on change dump. So, you do a level 0, then, the next day a level 1. If it is small (meaning only a relatively few files have changed) then the third day you still make a level 1. If the level 1 dump is now real big (meaning a lot of files changed) then on day 4 you go to a level 2 dump, etc. It is probably a good idea to regularize the process of choosing levels. That is why the man page has such a complicated scheme that covers all conditions. But, as I indicated, most people with a personal or office/department level server often need only a need the regular full (level 0) dump, plus a daily level 1 dump in between the full dumps. In fact, I have some servers that are small enough that I just make level 0 dumps each time. Now, if you have a big system with lots of new files and changed files all the time, then you will have to organize your dumps in a more sophisticated manner. Generally, level 0 dumps take whatever amount of media they need to contain the whole filesystem. Then, for the change dumps (level 1..9) you hope to keep then to only one unit of media. If a change dump goes over one unit of media, then you move up a level the next time. The same goes for if the change dump starts to take a lot of extra time. As for media, it can be to an external disk, a tape or over the net to some big storage space. Try to spread it out so that each set of dumps is not on the same physical media as other ones - eg rotate your media. ////jerry > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 14:47:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 970581065693 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:47:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44C818FC15 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:47:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id n9FEkkuu054838; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:46:46 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id n9FEkk6b054837; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:46:46 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:46:45 -0400 From: Jerry McAllister To: Len Conrad Message-ID: <20091015144645.GC54613@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <200910151513.AA205456278@mail.Go2France.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200910151513.AA205456278@mail.Go2France.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FWD: is this Intel CPU ok for 7.2 AMD64? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:47:34 -0000 On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 03:13:49PM +0200, Len Conrad wrote: > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "Len Conrad" > Reply-To: > Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:48:26 +0200 > > the FreeBSD 6.2 i386 dmesg.boot shows: > > CPU: Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.60GHz (3591.25-MHz 686-class CPU) > Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0xf41 Stepping = 1 > Features=0xbfebfbff > Features2=0x659d> > AMD Features=0x20100000 > Logical CPUs per core: 2 > real memory = 3220963328 (3071 MB) > avail memory = 3150913536 (3004 MB) > ACPI APIC Table: > FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 4 CPUs > cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID: 0 > cpu1 (AP): APIC ID: 1 > cpu2 (AP): APIC ID: 6 > cpu3 (AP): APIC ID: 7 > ioapic0: Changing APIC ID to 8 > ioapic1: Changing APIC ID to 9 > ioapic1: WARNING: intbase 32 != expected base 24 > ioapic2: Changing APIC ID to 10 > ioapic2: WARNING: intbase 64 != expected base 56 > ioapic0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard > ioapic1 irqs 32-55 on motherboard > ioapic2 irqs 64-87 on motherboard > > thanks, > Len > > ============== > > So, is there a definite, unique answer? Yes. > > Does it matter whether I run IA64 or AMD64 in the above Dell 1850? > Yes. Run AMD64. It is not an Itanium which is the IA64. It is a I686 which is the long standing ...86 family which, in 64 bit is supported on FreeBSD by AMD64. ////jerry > Len > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 15:36:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A3BB1065676 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:36:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from af.gourmet@videotron.ca) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 350048FC1B for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:36:56 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Received: from [192.168.0.51] ([96.21.103.185]) by VL-MO-MR002.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-4.01 (built Aug 3 2007; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KRK00935BDIRO10@VL-MO-MR002.ip.videotron.ca> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:36:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <4AD74198.9010301@videotron.ca> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:36:56 -0400 From: PJ User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Polytropon Cc: Subject: booting from wrong disk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:36:56 -0000 While trying to learn and understand the dump-retore process, I messed up the ad4s1a partition and could not boot. To fix it I restored a dumpfile of ad12s1a which is, for all intents and purposes, the same as ad4s1a. I then boot from ad4 and surprise, surprise... #df shows we have been booted from ad12 and all partitions are ad12.... Booting from ad12s1a gives exactly the same results. So, how can I get ad4s1a to boot from ad4? I imagine it is something in the boot files... but how to fix that? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 15:46:31 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B0AC106568D for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:46:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from millenia2000@hotmail.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s35.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s35.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.107]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84F048FC22 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:46:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BAY126-W9 ([65.55.131.44]) by bay0-omc1-s35.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:44:10 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.214.169.254] From: Sean Cavanaugh To: , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:44:09 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200910151513.AA205456278@mail.Go2France.com> References: <200910151513.AA205456278@mail.Go2France.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Oct 2009 15:44:10.0341 (UTC) FILETIME=[56718950:01CA4DAE] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: RE: is this Intel CPU ok for 7.2 AMD64? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:46:31 -0000 >=20 > Does it matter whether I run IA64 or AMD64 in the above Dell 1850? >=20 > Len >=20 This is a case where I wish the architecture types were renamed to modern d= ay nomenclature. Most people outside the *nix world know i386 as the x86 ar= chitecture and AMD64 as either x86-64 or straight x64. IA64 is for Itanium = architecture only and will not work on any x86 or derrived architecture. =20 -Sean = From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 16:06:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FD4E106568B for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:06:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amsibamsi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f222.google.com (mail-fx0-f222.google.com [209.85.220.222]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9CDA8FC24 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:06:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm22 with SMTP id 22so1264744fxm.36 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:05:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=2L4IUDKGI9i8Abh2xrENqdm9SXPWU6H1TdSSrlSJJoY=; b=PSEE3QTkb8C34SJQ9Qxry7xfODOIXQ9mQKfKN9A3f+9CN9B9NvcL/CnZTEdUexCxs2 atcWa2Wu3RhRi+T6NBmanPPmvJm+cx32H7bYnU45H9aRHIGx7dEI+Zueb4KZJ87QwJ92 /KukpfnGzmk2TeFraVFa2ywzpDcGzP4ZytI9k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=TR9Nkq3l7MjHjq5/gZj9pJCQiDvWzdj+EgbtXy9SvBpbvf90hGAtU7e9s5g1A27mMr +YHFQL7HAIVENt03HQ32wjvctDTg8eJzGRpqFTXqNgDk/9UT0DasVWDj8NCkzkTmaDo1 LPiEKzmA6RZHj2+OEsqIBhTVjo+vlnouwc4j0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.18.145 with SMTP id w17mr35811faa.66.1255622759818; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:05:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:05:59 +0200 Message-ID: <29722c130910150905m2d39b65cnd98a07bfc60af7b@mail.gmail.com> From: Anselm Strauss To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: ZFS boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:06:01 -0000 I just ran into the very same problem, although I use UFS instead of ZFS, but I think this doesn't matter for this problem. I updated to tinyBIOS v0.99h and now it works fine. Cheers, Anselm > Hi, > > I'm trying to boot a PC-engines board off GPT+ZFS, but the GPT MBR does not > support CHS layout and requests data per LBA, which the PC Engines BIOS > does > not support. > > Anyone have a solution for this laying around? > > --HPS > > PC Engines ALIX.2 v0.99 > 640 KB Base Memory > 261120 KB Extended Memory > > 01F0 Master 044A CF 1GB > Phys C/H/S 1966/16/63 Log C/H/S 983/32/63 > Invalid partition table > > sys/boot/i386/pmbr > > %grep Invalid pmbr.s > err_pt: movw $msg_pt,%si # "Invalid partition > msg_pt: .asciz "Invalid partition table" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 16:07:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B15A106568D for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:07:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from af.gourmet@videotron.ca) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64C048FC24 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:07:17 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Received: from [192.168.0.51] ([96.21.103.185]) by VL-MH-MR002.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-4.01 (built Aug 3 2007; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KRK00GN6CS40G70@VL-MH-MR002.ip.videotron.ca> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:07:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <4AD748B5.8020504@videotron.ca> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:07:17 -0400 From: PJ User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Polytropon References: <4AD74198.9010301@videotron.ca> In-reply-to: <4AD74198.9010301@videotron.ca> Cc: Subject: Re: booting from wrong disk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:07:17 -0000 PJ wrote: > While trying to learn and understand the dump-retore process, I messed > up the ad4s1a partition and could not boot. To fix it I restored a > dumpfile of ad12s1a which is, for all intents and purposes, the same as > ad4s1a. I then boot from ad4 and surprise, surprise... > #df shows we have been booted from ad12 and all partitions are ad12.... > Booting from ad12s1a gives exactly the same results. > So, how can I get ad4s1a to boot from ad4? > I imagine it is something in the boot files... but how to fix that? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > I see from the boot process that this should fix it... # fdisk -B -b /boot/boot0 ad4 but... how do I get this onto the right disk? If I boot from ad4 or ad12 and change the mbr, then it will be the ad12 that will be booting from ad4 and vice versa... or have I got it wrong? But in the end, I suppose it really doesn't matter, or does it? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 16:13:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17FA0106566B for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:13:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from af.gourmet@videotron.ca) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E594A8FC27 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:13:07 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Received: from [192.168.0.51] ([96.21.103.185]) by VL-MO-MR005.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-4.01 (built Aug 3 2007; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KRK004LED1VP790@VL-MO-MR005.ip.videotron.ca> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:13:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <4AD74A14.9010403@videotron.ca> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:13:08 -0400 From: PJ User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Polytropon References: <4AD74198.9010301@videotron.ca> In-reply-to: <4AD74198.9010301@videotron.ca> Cc: Subject: Re: booting from wrong disk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:13:08 -0000 PJ wrote: > While trying to learn and understand the dump-retore process, I messed > up the ad4s1a partition and could not boot. To fix it I restored a > dumpfile of ad12s1a which is, for all intents and purposes, the same as > ad4s1a. I then boot from ad4 and surprise, surprise... > #df shows we have been booted from ad12 and all partitions are ad12.... > Booting from ad12s1a gives exactly the same results. > So, how can I get ad4s1a to boot from ad4? > I imagine it is something in the boot files... but how to fix that? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > add another thought... If I change the mbr on the ad12 then mount ad4s1a to /mnt copy /mnt/boot/boot0 to /boot/boot0.tmp and then copy the modified /boot/boot0 (for ad4) back to /mnt/boot/ and then umount ad4s1a --- I should be ok, OK? Have I got it? 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Kind regards Sherry From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 17:46:37 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9032A106566B for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:46:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from laszlo_danielisz@yahoo.com) Received: from web30806.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30806.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.149]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4E3648FC08 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:46:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 93059 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Oct 2009 17:19:55 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1255627195; bh=vyM3ktEROrC2E4sJqmY74YOblXhygn7I6O1DDQNaTGw=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=2hWVjGt49Um61mJG8c3lKQ7sYVTK3eyIt0sStSYve+8ZQCbNy7akjlftf/pmFy04zVijNKpro25jb3LRskt9DxP1EZmtxfVUmgjpUHGz0BewqiCaMBI4LIFrnH9LLGh+3GmXdXIAHci6K7R2VPy3ZHVmPbHQSFpIFNTFwyjqRa0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=A2EBkD2W8XrFHaXcNGsXIIkBCxTpMugHGY/oJEW15FYq0iiCmXHx+OcP1gUSiApI1m7UJbWVqL23TL4k/ULTgyRnOQ5yz1QqjGUVZ2EWFXjpR81/aM020wngweIcCKf4x2p79RXeXRQE7ySsV9iaGM+P/c9/oViOgg/mgr0H8Bc=; Message-ID: <625479.91224.qm@web30806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: bZ1EzFwVM1nnU7EElBZNrlqx2iFa2x1qKEwCuJCwjUF01tRiDF8B5eayt.ABREPNf7itgJMKoPandMHucQIOhInQe292q7lAqHYV5Z0sHGUYa23o2EVUaOPz9Dhx_K9LFgiALZijrSMUaZailKstJM1pJ2oEb99TtfxiB2zxYtYoFoQkWnuuhl3plW7A15.bQuiG.rtHyp8iL8IDBmMHBaI73bUmayu_uJ_MOlyJ3bPGxToJb0kSh5QKob3I6ld9HSiDijdPx1k_EA7rfxSQZmhxL_O6mqA4nZmqCuKgpws4l559zeDnaWZZ6LviN5AcgrkB4ABz2GcESAtO8DcbnoZqpeB8p4ChMEjeyDOZ.h4kys5BmJvGhBg- Received: from [94.21.94.25] by web30806.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:19:55 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/182.10 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.3 Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:19:55 -0700 (PDT) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?D=E1nielisz_L=E1szl=F3?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: torrentflux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:46:37 -0000 Hello,=0A=0AOk, I know it sounds numb, but how can I actually start torrent= flux on my freebsd machine?=0AI installed by ports ...=0A# pkg_info |grep t= orrent=0Atorrentflux-2.0.b1 A PHP based BitTorrent client that runs on a w= eb server=0A....but I can not find how to start it and torrentflux forum is= down, do you have any idea?=0A=0AThank you!=0ALaci=0A=0A=0A=0A From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 17:59:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 621A4106566B for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:59:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 239628FC12 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:59:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-71-245.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.71.245]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3A601E340; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:59:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n9FHxTDB001770; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:59:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:59:29 +0200 From: Polytropon To: PJ Message-Id: <20091015195929.1ae99ba2.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4AD74198.9010301@videotron.ca> References: <4AD74198.9010301@videotron.ca> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: booting from wrong disk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:59:32 -0000 On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:36:56 -0400, PJ wrote: > I imagine it is something in the boot files... but how to fix that? The easiest way is to prepare the disk with sysinstall. The steps usually involve: 1. creation of slice, usually covering whole disk 2. marking the slice "active" 3. installing the standard MBR 4. partitioning the slice as intended 5. format the partitions And as I said, sysinstall's slice and partition editor are often my tools of choice, allthough you can do all this with the correct command line tools (which you obviously do when scripting automated processes). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 18:03:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37D011065676 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:03:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED00C8FC14 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:03:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-71-245.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.71.245]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id BADF11DDE5; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:03:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n9FI3gCP001793; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:03:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:03:41 +0200 From: Polytropon To: PJ Message-Id: <20091015200341.a8dbad85.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4AD748B5.8020504@videotron.ca> References: <4AD74198.9010301@videotron.ca> <4AD748B5.8020504@videotron.ca> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: booting from wrong disk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:03:44 -0000 On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:07:17 -0400, PJ wrote: > I see from the boot process that this should fix it... > # fdisk -B -b /boot/boot0 ad4 > but... > how do I get this onto the right disk? If I boot from ad4 or ad12 and > change the mbr, then it will be the ad12 that will be booting from ad4 > and vice versa... or have I got it wrong? But in the end, I suppose it > really doesn't matter, or does it? The "active" flag on the partition tells the MBR loader from which device to boot. In other words, the FIRST device that is market as "active" will be booted. If you have, for example, ad4 ad ad12 in your system, and ad4 is detected first, then it will be booted, no matter if ad12 is marked "active", too. Of course, ad4's boot loader can refer to another device as bootdev (booting device), but that's out of scope for now. If you have two disks ad4 and ad12, both marked "active", and you exchange them physically, boot order will change, too. A similar setting could involve things like a mix of ATA, SCSI and SATA disks. Again, who comes first will be booted - but as I said, only if the device is marked "active"; if not, it will be ignored. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 18:06:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2879E1065672 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:06:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE2ED8FC14 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:06:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-71-245.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.71.245]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5DD225217; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:06:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n9FI6QUE001813; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:06:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:06:26 +0200 From: Polytropon To: PJ Message-Id: <20091015200626.c1dee87b.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4AD74A14.9010403@videotron.ca> References: <4AD74198.9010301@videotron.ca> <4AD74A14.9010403@videotron.ca> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: booting from wrong disk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:06:28 -0000 On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:13:08 -0400, PJ wrote: > add another thought... > > If I change the mbr on the ad12 then mount ad4s1a to /mnt copy > /mnt/boot/boot0 to /boot/boot0.tmp and then copy the modified > /boot/boot0 (for ad4) back to /mnt/boot/ and then umount ad4s1a --- I > should be ok, OK? Have I got it? Why not just remove the "active" marking from the disk you do not want to be booted from? Furthermore, I'm not sure if the desired operation can be performed UFS-file-wise... The easiest way really is to use sysinstall. It's the lazy man's swiss army knife. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 18:22:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55AD11065679 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:22:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 175958FC19 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:22:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-71-245.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.71.245]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id E52921E1FA; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:22:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n9FIM5iP001998; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:22:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:22:04 +0200 From: Polytropon To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?D=E1nielisz_L=E1szl=F3?= Message-Id: <20091015202204.acecc98b.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <625479.91224.qm@web30806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <625479.91224.qm@web30806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: torrentflux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:22:07 -0000 On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:19:55 -0700 (PDT), D=E1nielisz L=E1szl=F3 wrote: > Hello, >=20 > Ok, I know it sounds numb, but how can I actually start > torrentflux on my freebsd machine? I haven't used this torrent client so far (ctorrent is my choice at the moment), but according to > # pkg_info |grep torrent > torrentflux-2.0.b1 A PHP based BitTorrent client that runs on a web serv= er it seems that you have to run a web server (I think locally), e. g. Apache, and then connect to this server in order to perform the actions with your client, such as entering http://127.0.0.1 in your web browser - this assumes that the web server is running and the PHP script is properly installed. It's possible that you need to connect to a specific port (e. g. ":631" after the local IP). > ....but I can not find how to start it and torrentflux forum > is down, do you have any idea? Doesn't torrentflux come with some documentation? Have a look for it in /usr/local/share/doc where it should be. The packagin list in the port's directory mentions "install.txt", maybe this file contains the information needed? Finally, does torrentflux.com (the homepage of the project) have some information? --=20 Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 18:22:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C2E7106566C for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:22:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F19828FC0A for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:22:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9FIMTRQ078757; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:22:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n9FIMTE2078754; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:22:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:22:29 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: PJ In-Reply-To: <4AD74198.9010301@videotron.ca> Message-ID: References: <4AD74198.9010301@videotron.ca> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.2 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:22:29 -0600 (MDT) Cc: Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: booting from wrong disk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:22:34 -0000 On Thu, 15 Oct 2009, PJ wrote: > While trying to learn and understand the dump-retore process, I messed > up the ad4s1a partition and could not boot. To fix it I restored a > dumpfile of ad12s1a which is, for all intents and purposes, the same as > ad4s1a. I then boot from ad4 and surprise, surprise... > #df shows we have been booted from ad12 and all partitions are ad12.... > Booting from ad12s1a gives exactly the same results. The /etc/fstab from ad12 will point at ad12. After restoring on ad4, did you edit fstab to now have ad4 entries? -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 18:25:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43F081065670 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:25:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from laszlo_danielisz@yahoo.com) Received: from web30808.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30808.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.151]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 09BC88FC14 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:25:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 18286 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Oct 2009 18:25:06 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1255631106; bh=JndA/z/b90gqe4Pjspon5oPGqPE4y8xVO52mw5aJrTk=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QwLQr8Ur4NYqcasR3Xi9L3bSrYbn8AypabL0Pfwdudu7ARR471G2SJ+SkFjewcIhjQy5Bo0YxqtR1cwNaAr1/OgdARAzLJxg0EoejmfwD94oKIDBc+oQ0sreZuAdEaPSnK6jRu4otdzKdHZtHBfZmFQJ2jlr4bv0RdVQ8h5iKIU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=4bitEhcAMcTiaxz9ufxbhzKlHQkjg23Ig+ytxLWzC2T1hkgpzlhemXI0xuZvDHDpNjk6kHWQ7mPu65MInmWA4T560MSULz0Jf6B8mlcZyA6EnKE6y9oSm5H+SxKxea+Uw1iTmexCLsuOxpIPP0UlAWXsiXlPszph/JdTCancGzY=; Message-ID: <561577.18058.qm@web30808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: JL4Lw6oVM1lBtrhQ1SSWCrFF9eU4cWKkUjCdPignmkokTID9.kL9N4bpG.luK_IdsPA68MUViR59clnOUc5j8HBf7OTMgQW0m3A3x4wZqomf2ShZxvbD.8aFCr21TqrfEnYB0MjJZHpJNFVaX104gNvP6J3EO1UlQpEqdeW9NAs.HtSqtQHpMJbv1BaXMgBQMfHYwTczIp.jWwcicSexMXllu.KwGD1Lfq2KIbrarhrd4hr6a9fKDf8KHaJoHxV89ftnA8xG_s569qIKNac7K6K3Q0XiR135eZYSmku.Zer8trv9X0Rpk_GZSIwsiIGzIjaxtANUilbZ2Bmt9uNIwZA7Q0NNJxhj7EXbMr6Y8H38aFZl85tpbS7cdiD5iw2sX5vdbGqAiAlNZfNYcuFK Received: from [94.21.94.25] by web30808.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:25:06 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/182.10 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.3 References: <625479.91224.qm@web30806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20091015202204.acecc98b.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:25:06 -0700 (PDT) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?D=E1nielisz_L=E1szl=F3?= To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20091015202204.acecc98b.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: torrentflux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:25:07 -0000 I found out that there is an httpd.conf problem, I fixed that but now I'm t= hinking how to put php module in apache without reinstalling apache.=0A=0A= =0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Polytropon =0ATo: D=E1nielisz L=E1szl=F3 =0ACc: freebs= d-questions@freebsd.org=0ASent: Thu, October 15, 2009 8:22:04 PM=0ASubject:= Re: torrentflux=0A=0AOn Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:19:55 -0700 (PDT), D=E1nielisz= L=E1szl=F3 wrote:=0A> Hello,=0A> =0A> Ok, I k= now it sounds numb, but how can I actually start=0A> torrentflux on my free= bsd machine?=0A=0AI haven't used this torrent client so far (ctorrent is my= =0Achoice at the moment), but according to=0A=0A> # pkg_info |grep torrent= =0A> torrentflux-2.0.b1 A PHP based BitTorrent client that runs on a web s= erver=0A=0Ait seems that you have to run a web server (I think locally),=0A= e. g. Apache, and then connect to this server in order to=0Aperform the act= ions with your client, such as entering=0A=0A http://127.0.0.1=0A=0Ain y= our web browser - this assumes that the web server is=0Arunning and the PHP= script is properly installed. It's possible=0Athat you need to connect to = a specific port (e. g. ":631" after=0Athe local IP).=0A=0A=0A=0A> ....but I= can not find how to start it and torrentflux forum=0A> is down, do you hav= e any idea?=0A=0ADoesn't torrentflux come with some documentation? Have a l= ook=0Afor it in /usr/local/share/doc where it should be.=0A=0AThe packagin = list in the port's directory mentions "install.txt",=0Amaybe this file cont= ains the information needed?=0A=0AFinally, does torrentflux.com (the homepa= ge of the project) have=0Asome information?=0A=0A=0A=0A-- =0APolytropon=0AM= agdeburg, Germany=0AHappy FreeBSD user since 4.0=0AAndra moi ennepe, Mousa,= ...=0A_______________________________________________=0Afreebsd-questions@= freebsd.org mailing list=0Ahttp://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebs= d-questions=0ATo unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscri= be@freebsd.org"=0A=0A=0A=0A From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 18:39:25 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05674106566B for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:39:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B96DE8FC12 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:39:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-71-245.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.71.245]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C8DE1E35C; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:39:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n9FIdMIJ002038; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:39:23 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:39:22 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Warren Block Message-Id: <20091015203922.d98bc249.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <4AD74198.9010301@videotron.ca> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: PJ , Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: booting from wrong disk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:39:25 -0000 On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:22:29 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wrote: > The /etc/fstab from ad12 will point at ad12. After restoring on ad4, > did you edit fstab to now have ad4 entries? Ha! Excellent point; I missed to see this obvious thing. Next to booting, the /etc/fstab mechanism is very important to have a look at when cloning disks that will have a different "signature" in the target than in the source. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 18:42:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 610B11065672 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:42:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from af.gourmet@videotron.ca) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A1058FC0C for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:42:23 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Received: from [192.168.0.51] ([96.21.103.185]) by VL-MH-MR001.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-4.01 (built Aug 3 2007; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KRK0014JJYM26O0@VL-MH-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:42:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <4AD76D10.2040408@videotron.ca> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:42:24 -0400 From: PJ User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) To: Polytropon References: <4AD74198.9010301@videotron.ca> <4AD74A14.9010403@videotron.ca> <20091015200626.c1dee87b.freebsd@edvax.de> In-reply-to: <20091015200626.c1dee87b.freebsd@edvax.de> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: booting from wrong disk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:42:23 -0000 Polytropon wrote: > On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:13:08 -0400, PJ wrote: > >> add another thought... >> >> If I change the mbr on the ad12 then mount ad4s1a to /mnt copy >> /mnt/boot/boot0 to /boot/boot0.tmp and then copy the modified >> /boot/boot0 (for ad4) back to /mnt/boot/ and then umount ad4s1a --- I >> should be ok, OK? Have I got it? >> > > Why not just remove the "active" marking from the disk you do > not want to be booted from? Furthermore, I'm not sure if the > desired operation can be performed UFS-file-wise... > > The easiest way really is to use sysinstall. It's the lazy man's > swiss army knife. :-) > > > Yeh, but even with a swill army knife you can cut yourself. ;-) But sysinstall will overwrite all the info on the disk and that defeats the whole purpose of the exercise. What complicates matters is the use of GAG as boot manager. If I select to boot from ad4 and the boot is from ad12, then there is something wrong. It indicates to me that the mbr is loading the wrong disk. I noticed this when trying to boot a disk on my other computer... it was looking for ad12 when there was no ad12 installed. I found that strange, but then I recalled thatManolis Klagias had warned about something of the sort. Now, I'll have to sort that out. And you think you're lazy... this is back-braking work for me... :-D From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 18:45:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6B9F10656BA for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:45:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wtf.jlaine@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f218.google.com (mail-ew0-f218.google.com [209.85.219.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 521C08FC13 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:45:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy18 with SMTP id 18so1113651ewy.43 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:45:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:date:from:to:cc :subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-operating-system; bh=4ELiblsqGGDITWYMNt9a6jCkRhk2GeI+Tat+2/4fHpc=; b=xuBnZabBdrbe+7Irh7tp4OypJ2FDs45qWPWzknsswREGQ8pfA+Pp8p3rwKEgk+YtPd Bd23VQIxs8LHISh7aqXiY2mWfw7tbnOOX8pWC1PwPCws8qksU2+LaFP7X0jah82Y0BH9 C/1n4LhvxVOBHRn1yawMnMflWsINLPXvv4hGs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent:x-operating-system; b=jY9YTrqYd6XVHeJCS9osPLnnaV/Ne6kMFUU7lKYgmptFqHacu9aoZZ3l6s30qmKhFK HYSwJbIvcPpvM8qOgpX2i/PVMto+1PReUUyB2PDOBOGfqsdAylHWw6jrMnGusNZmswBE 2CGSJ4pvKAAv1420bUaTa6EwJST1/nQMPTKEg= Received: by 10.216.86.211 with SMTP id w61mr130139wee.6.1255632334010; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:45:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aperture_lab ([77.66.145.99]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m5sm749063gve.26.2009.10.15.11.45.31 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:45:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by aperture_lab (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:45:28 +0400 Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:45:28 +0400 From: Jeff Laine To: Polytropon Message-ID: <20091015184528.GA27452@free.bsd.loc> Mail-Followup-To: Jeff Laine , Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20091014153100.GH22136@ece.pdx.edu> <20091014115949.33b1adb4@scorpio.seibercom.net> <12173.RF1FTAsCFkY=.1255538317.squirrel@webmail-west.es.net> <20091014234826.39a42b6d.freebsd@edvax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20091014234826.39a42b6d.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.0-BETA2 i386 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Graphics card recommendation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:45:35 -0000 On Wed,14-10-2009 [23:48:26], Polytropon wrote: > On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:55:05 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wrote: > > All of my cards are ATI and I don't know of the "mtrr" problem you're > > talking about. This X1650 works fine on i386 with both 7-STABLE and > > 8-STABLE. > > I had an old-fashioned ATI Radeon 9200 RV250 AGP with both a VGA > and a VGA-on-DVI monitor. With also old-fashioned XFree86 this > setting worked good performance-wise, which was in FreeBSD 5, > but I haven't tested this in FreeBSD 7 with Xorg yet because > I'm very upset about the speed-loss of "modern" software. :-( > Furthermore, I don't have the second 21" CRT anymore, so no > dual-head for me at the moment. > > I am nearly sure that for today's requirements, Intel GPUs > seem to be the most fitting ones, but as I don't own any of > them, I can't give you clues from a user's point of view. > In the past, ATI always was my first choice, but today, I > would triple-check anything. > Having had a _lot_ of troubles with Intel video recently I'd not recommend using it. Poor performance (both 2D and 3D) and various glitches after several updates of intel-video driver. And still having that bug with broken xv out driver of mplayer. :( -- Best regards, Jeff | "Nobody wants to say how this works. | | Maybe nobody knows ..." | | Xorg.conf(5) | From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 18:49:47 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D60D1065679 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:49:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from af.gourmet@videotron.ca) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 156338FC08 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:49:46 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Received: from [192.168.0.51] ([96.21.103.185]) by VL-MO-MR005.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-4.01 (built Aug 3 2007; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KRK004KMKAYS360@VL-MO-MR005.ip.videotron.ca> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:49:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <4AD76ECB.7080809@videotron.ca> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:49:47 -0400 From: PJ User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) To: Polytropon References: <4AD74198.9010301@videotron.ca> <20091015203922.d98bc249.freebsd@edvax.de> In-reply-to: <20091015203922.d98bc249.freebsd@edvax.de> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: booting from wrong disk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:49:47 -0000 Polytropon wrote: > On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:22:29 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wrote: > >> The /etc/fstab from ad12 will point at ad12. After restoring on ad4, >> did you edit fstab to now have ad4 entries? >> > > Ha! Excellent point; I missed to see this obvious thing. > Next to booting, the /etc/fstab mechanism is very important > to have a look at when cloning disks that will have a > different "signature" in the target than in the source. > > > AHA! Now, we're getting somewhere... cut's the workload. ;-) I'll try it ASAP. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 18:59:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 923D91065694 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:59:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from af.gourmet@videotron.ca) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 310D98FC12 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:59:50 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Received: from [192.168.0.51] ([96.21.103.185]) by VL-MH-MR002.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-4.01 (built Aug 3 2007; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KRK00IDZKRPND10@VL-MH-MR002.ip.videotron.ca> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:59:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <4AD77127.1060805@videotron.ca> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:59:51 -0400 From: PJ User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) To: Polytropon References: <4AD74198.9010301@videotron.ca> <20091015203922.d98bc249.freebsd@edvax.de> In-reply-to: <20091015203922.d98bc249.freebsd@edvax.de> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: how to prepare disk for dump/restore X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:59:50 -0000 I would like to just partition, label and newfs the disk; livefs wants to waste my time by installing other stuff like the kernel & man pages etc that I have not even selected; and if I use postinstall configuration, that doesn't do anything. Or should I use fixit and then do the manual thing? Sysinstall requires already being booted... ??? Or do I do it manually as per Polytropon's recipe of fdisk, bsdlabel, newfs mount, dump/restore and use/play? ;-) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 19:04:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB7AE1065696 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:04:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from laszlo_danielisz@yahoo.com) Received: from web30801.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30801.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.144]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 617B68FC22 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:04:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 74499 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Oct 2009 19:04:54 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1255633494; bh=04pKYXb+sOyWtXtVtTY8fr0qd4uX59/XEvLguC5CAGc=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=CuFDEsAG/0DDhkt5wIFSJx7tEjkMbAxZKmN8whOeXfK8/tOIggT+ATPPJJt7gsC/PI9X8AWhEXxol9NmHBVpGKwpgdszfWB/QDrkMi2wz0+YaFz0VSO7wb7NvWnAtyRAbH1Ak9rFrpIQE0FsC8nkNzmJKkShGycqLyAD+gfWNs0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=vSqm/gWu+rr3FlBGD0u405w1NNMhSfN/lLNGx9k25K1sAmmLYdZMGrR9Hbbjy+eCo6hKcNmJaclRgqNBoT7ahim4sIikoH5yNpy0l5lIbL+jl5zUPjsjmg46r6kkCo5DLl2piG7WueB46vYzb+cjXxOSvzHl07PltMjU+u2K9/E=; Message-ID: <857893.73064.qm@web30801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: nGtTizEVM1k3xmlVBw9T6pjwP57Y5GVr0uN6O_Xh52IuTOnzdO8FU8hTGB8Pu7.OwuHGFHI0q14BIyrDTIrtFzBd0mmeZSctdLWcNiSqaJ1V1RObaTF.YKwliAcbl7x1aGzTWM57skYQGENuGOn4n_3LadxLRzFE4aGoHQYvzpmOsrgr072mSF7JPy8VwNKWEAe5rpllg4rxi1Uz41NB699llI.7xvpUn2KLieSbBdKQlM4fqAl_M.H0nS6R22L82O3uMMQeuQ3vyYyCU1ylgL0FUJ31SPD7ZdXZIXbDznNjy3999SfCi0M.HgPxhcWL3TTDp2kcZ9Bs5chHa7cEq75vEWPtH2qDIqet2oUoJgImHne5TWqdl3HG98sHLA-- Received: from [94.21.94.25] by web30801.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:04:54 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/182.10 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.3 References: <625479.91224.qm@web30806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20091015202204.acecc98b.freebsd@edvax.de> <561577.18058.qm@web30808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:04:54 -0700 (PDT) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?D=E1nielisz_L=E1szl=F3?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <561577.18058.qm@web30808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: torrentflux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:04:55 -0000 Ok, now is up and running.=0AIn case any of you have the same problem try t= his ones:=0A=0ASearch in httpd.conf for /usr/local/www/apache22/data and re= place it with /usr/local/www/data=0A=0AHave a nice day!=0ALaci=0A=0A=0A=0A= =0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: D=E1nielisz L=E1szl=F3 =0ASubject: Re: torrentflux=0A=0AI found out that th= ere is an httpd.conf problem, I fixed that but now I'm thinking how to put = php module in apache without reinstalling apache.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A___________= _____________________=0AFrom: Polytropon =0ATo: D=E1nieli= sz L=E1szl=F3 =0ACc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.= org=0ASent: Thu, October 15, 2009 8:22:04 PM=0ASubject: Re: torrentflux=0A= =0AOn Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:19:55 -0700 (PDT), D=E1nielisz L=E1szl=F3 wrote:=0A> Hello,=0A> =0A> Ok, I know it sounds numb,= but how can I actually start=0A> torrentflux on my freebsd machine?=0A=0AI= haven't used this torrent client so far (ctorrent is my=0Achoice at the mo= ment), but according to=0A=0A> # pkg_info |grep torrent=0A> torrentflux-2.0= .b1 A PHP based BitTorrent client that runs on a web server=0A=0Ait seems = that you have to run a web server (I think locally),=0Ae. g. Apache, and th= en connect to this server in order to=0Aperform the actions with your clien= t, such as entering=0A=0A http://127.0.0.1=0A=0Ain your web browser - th= is assumes that the web server is=0Arunning and the PHP script is properly = installed. It's possible=0Athat you need to connect to a specific port (e. = g. ":631" after=0Athe local IP).=0A=0A=0A=0A> ....but I can not find how to= start it and torrentflux forum=0A> is down, do you have any idea?=0A=0ADoe= sn't torrentflux come with some documentation? Have a look=0Afor it in /usr= /local/share/doc where it should be.=0A=0AThe packagin list in the port's d= irectory mentions "install.txt",=0Amaybe this file contains the information= needed?=0A=0AFinally, does torrentflux.com (the homepage of the project) h= ave=0Asome information?=0A=0A=0A=0A-- =0APolytropon=0AMagdeburg, Germany=0A= Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0=0AAndra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...=0A_____________= __________________________________=0Afreebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing = list=0Ahttp://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions=0ATo uns= ubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"=0A= =0A=0A=0A=0A_______________________________________________=0Afreebsd-quest= ions@freebsd.org mailing list=0Ahttp://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/f= reebsd-questions=0ATo unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsu= bscribe@freebsd.org"=0A=0A=0A=0A From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 19:08:58 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94A5D106566B for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:08:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55B868FC0A for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:08:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-71-245.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.71.245]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07BCD1DB19; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:08:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n9FJ8uj8002130; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:08:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:08:56 +0200 From: Polytropon To: PJ Message-Id: <20091015210856.b8afc17d.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4AD76D10.2040408@videotron.ca> References: <4AD74198.9010301@videotron.ca> <4AD74A14.9010403@videotron.ca> <20091015200626.c1dee87b.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AD76D10.2040408@videotron.ca> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: booting from wrong disk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:08:58 -0000 On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:42:24 -0400, PJ wrote: > But sysinstall will overwrite all the info on the disk and that defeats > the whole purpose of the exercise. If you only change a slice's state and add an MBR, it won't do anything to the data inside the slice. > What complicates matters is the use of GAG as boot manager. Hmmm... I'm not familar with that, nor have I ever heared of it. > If I select > to boot from ad4 and the boot is from ad12, then there is something > wrong. Check /etc/fstab as suggested. Furthermore, check what GAG actually does - just to be sure it boots the correct device. I always assumed that you use the standard MBR which does, as I explained, simply boot the first "active" slice on the first disk it finds. Maybe GAG acts differently. > It indicates to me that the mbr is loading the wrong disk. In this case, it's good to read how booting works. MBR, and bootN, the FreeBSD loader and the kernel own specified points in this race. :-) > I noticed this when trying to boot a disk on my other computer... it was > looking for ad12 when there was no ad12 installed. "Who" was looking for ad12? Was it at the "boot>" or the "Ok" prompt? > I found that strange, > but then I recalled thatManolis Klagias had warned about something of > the sort. Now, I'll have to sort that out. You have to be entirely sure that the booting process works as intended. The easiest way to ensure this is to first use only one disk at once in the system. There are different stages where things can get messed up, such as the loader or /etc/fstab. They have to match the situation. As a sidenote, GEOM supports labelling partitions so it does not matter anymore if, for example, a / partition is ad4s1a or ad12s1a. There's a section in the handbook that illustrates how to get rid of device names in /etc/fstab. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 19:17:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FD55106568D for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:17:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F3EF8FC0A for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:17:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-71-245.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.71.245]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BBE51DD00; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:17:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n9FJHhAc002160; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:17:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:17:43 +0200 From: Polytropon To: PJ Message-Id: <20091015211743.e910374e.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4AD77127.1060805@videotron.ca> References: <4AD74198.9010301@videotron.ca> <20091015203922.d98bc249.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AD77127.1060805@videotron.ca> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: how to prepare disk for dump/restore X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:17:45 -0000 On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:59:51 -0400, PJ wrote: > I would like to just partition, label and newfs the disk; livefs wants > to waste my time by installing other stuff like the kernel & man pages > etc that I have not even selected; Just don't go through the whole installation cycle; from the sysinstall main menu, select "Custom" and perform slicing (setting disk active, adding standard MBR) and partitioning (creating partitions, format them with "w" or "z"). Then leave the menu and use the shell. You can get to the "Fdisk" and "Label" through "Configure" in the main menu, too. > and if I use postinstall > configuration, that doesn't do anything. Or should I use fixit and then > do the manual thing? You can use sysinstall from the Fixit CD, too. That's the way I'm mostly doing this kind of thing: Preparing the disk with the sysinstall tool, then dropping to CLI for the restoring process. > Sysinstall requires already being booted... ??? No. You can execute it even on a running system. > Or do I do it manually as per Polytropon's recipe of fdisk, bsdlabel, > newfs mount, dump/restore and use/play? ;-) This method is quite usable when you completely understood what you're doing; furthermore, it enables scripting automated processes, which is very handy especially when you want to provide larger numbers of cloned systems. In any case: Be sure which device you're operating on, and keep in mind that it may (!) be a different device when in the place where it should go. For example, if you intend to prepare a disk to be ad4 in the target system, let it be (if possible) ad4 in the source system, and boot your source system from ad12. From this running system, perform the cloning. If everything is done, check references for ad12 and change them to ad4 (even *that* can be scripted); eyes on /etc/fstab. After you've done everything, shut down the running system, unplug ad12 and let the system boot from ad4. Everything should be alright now. Extract ad4 and take it to its new system. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 19:31:12 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 613E21065692 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:31:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tobias.rehbein@web.de) Received: from fmmailgate02.web.de (fmmailgate02.web.de [217.72.192.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20A398FC1D for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:31:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp05.web.de (fmsmtp05.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.4.166]) by fmmailgate02.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E6041319FFAC; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:31:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [95.88.224.31] (helo=sushi.pseudo.local) by smtp05.web.de with asmtp (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (WEB.DE 4.110 #314) id 1MyW2P-0001gl-00; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:31:01 +0200 Received: from sushi.pseudo.local (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sushi.pseudo.local (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9FJVKoG014104; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:31:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from tobi@sushi.pseudo.local) Received: (from tobi@localhost) by sushi.pseudo.local (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n9FJVKfZ014103; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:31:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from tobi) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:31:20 +0200 From: Tobias Rehbein To: Polytropon Message-ID: <20091015193120.GA74733@sushi.pseudo.local> Mail-Followup-To: Polytropon , PJ , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4AD74198.9010301@videotron.ca> <20091015203922.d98bc249.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AD77127.1060805@videotron.ca> <20091015211743.e910374e.freebsd@edvax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="M9NhX3UHpAaciwkO" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20091015211743.e910374e.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Sender: tobias.rehbein@web.de X-Sender: tobias.rehbein@web.de X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19LT0WIIyRvZc2jf33iXsAX6SnPLxsxCWidIEFS LNUdTs1AsvBvDMQIpQDA/at1xuSgE6PzD6xgt1AUisWQTFCEWD DJk6+2jN0g5GD3AEMMgw== Cc: PJ , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: how to prepare disk for dump/restore X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:31:12 -0000 --M9NhX3UHpAaciwkO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Am Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 09:17:43PM +0200 schrieb Polytropon: > On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:59:51 -0400, PJ wrote: >=20 > You can use sysinstall from the Fixit CD, too. That's the way > I'm mostly doing this kind of thing: Preparing the disk with > the sysinstall tool, then dropping to CLI for the restoring > process. If all you want to do is to prepare the disks you can leave sysinstall alon= e and use sade(8). --=20 Tobias Rehbein PGP key: 4F2AE314 server: keys.gnupg.net fingerprint: ECDA F300 1B6E 9B87 8524 8663 E8B6 3138 4F2A E314 --M9NhX3UHpAaciwkO Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.13 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkrXeIcACgkQ6LYxOE8q4xTcrACgpRyV5FiB/EVduNV1IUTQCSEV 6n8AoJXq0tl2hdBFVj1n5P1ZoU8wfUaP =Iitu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --M9NhX3UHpAaciwkO-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 19:46:40 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3805A106566B for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:46:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB74B8FC1A for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:46:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-71-245.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.71.245]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CA8A1DBB7; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:46:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n9FJkcu3002272; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:46:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:46:38 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Tobias Rehbein Message-Id: <20091015214638.040b691a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20091015193120.GA74733@sushi.pseudo.local> References: <4AD74198.9010301@videotron.ca> <20091015203922.d98bc249.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AD77127.1060805@videotron.ca> <20091015211743.e910374e.freebsd@edvax.de> <20091015193120.GA74733@sushi.pseudo.local> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: PJ , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: how to prepare disk for dump/restore X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:46:40 -0000 On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:31:20 +0200, Tobias Rehbein wrote: > If all you want to do is to prepare the disks you can leave sysinstall alone and > use sade(8). Very good advice! Sadly, it makes me feel that all my knowledge is very outdated because sade didn't come into my mind at fist place. :-) The use of sysinstall is just a suggestion when you're booting from a FreeBSD live file system, so you end up in sysinstall anyway. On a system already running, sade definitely is the better tool. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 20:21:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 702071065672 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:21:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kikachi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vw0-f189.google.com (mail-vw0-f189.google.com [209.85.212.189]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D53C8FC14 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:21:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws27 with SMTP id 27so647353vws.3 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:21:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=hE/MqfQLldbag8yCAzqHLlmn1eJCQIlHg2mkzZ6EWDA=; b=D/4f4Ej/8LzWqplxCp4Ee356BKyZMLqBpVikZPvvcOGMu8JDhNYAll2KWgVtlHgfu3 GQAmtifCZx3i+oE/1ajPbqe+Lipl/ufOrOiLyQtoporbES62UowkWBX3wOWv7t9MtkEK 38Le/HZdqaaenjeeSn1pvgNStUzCMRudgxHMg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=agv/vyNWAuJ2PJItD2M5F1RPhW33smp6Qyyl3NQYvWwd1Augrn7AzbuCx2Jnvlzhph 9LH+XIOi95/j+4+Avz526cZc0HLAR75YOskEba9vD25/VLwjQlf8IImMHHESMnzHjxjt krMJL+gzJ7BsU2vd2P5g7fqre0lvMXSYqD9Bc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.89.82 with SMTP id d18mr1457656vcm.34.1255636318875; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:51:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 03:51:58 +0800 Message-ID: <876d4ae10910151251g191a7a94g896fc57af54a6d72@mail.gmail.com> From: Kikachi Kozumi To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: phpMyAdmin install stopped in dependency 'libXau-1.0.4' X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:21:46 -0000 Hi, I tried installing phpMyAdmin in an ezjail created jail already installed with apache22, mysql and php5 running FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE i386 with no X11 (headless). The port install failed when dependency 'libXau-1.0.4' configure couldn't find gnome-config: ... checking for XAU... gnome-config: not found configure: error: Package requirements (xproto) were not met. ... I'm not sure if this issue is specific to my system or is it a ports issue but I found that libXau-1.0.4 was in the ports tree since January 2009 so it's less likely to be an issue with the port itself. Right now I'm not sure if the required gnome-config is lost from my system or was never there in the 1st place. What can I do to continue with phpMyAdmin installation? I'm also curious why the phpMyAdmin port requires libX11 libraries to build while the phpMyAdmin website states that php, mysql and apache are the requirements for running phpMyAdmin? Below are the outputs from my system when phpMyAdmin build failed: # cd /usr/ports/databases/phpmyadmin # make install clean ===> Installing for phpMyAdmin-3.2.2.1 ===> phpMyAdmin-3.2.2.1 depends on file: /usr/local/include/php/main/php.h - found ===> phpMyAdmin-3.2.2.1 depends on file: /usr/local/lib/php/20060613/ctype.so - found ===> phpMyAdmin-3.2.2.1 depends on file: /usr/local/lib/php/20060613/mysql.so - found ===> phpMyAdmin-3.2.2.1 depends on file: /usr/local/lib/php/20060613/session.so - found ===> phpMyAdmin-3.2.2.1 depends on file: /usr/local/lib/php/20060613/spl.so - found ===> phpMyAdmin-3.2.2.1 depends on file: /usr/local/lib/php/20060613/filter.so - found ===> phpMyAdmin-3.2.2.1 depends on file: /usr/local/lib/php/20060613/bz2.so - found ===> phpMyAdmin-3.2.2.1 depends on file: /usr/local/lib/php/20060613/gd.so - not found ===> Verifying install for /usr/local/lib/php/20060613/gd.so in /usr/ports/graphics/php5-gd ===> php5-gd-5.2.11_1 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/phpize - found ===> php5-gd-5.2.11_1 depends on file: /usr/local/libdata/pkgconfig/xpm.pc - not found ===> Verifying install for /usr/local/libdata/pkgconfig/xpm.pc in /usr/ports/x11/libXpm ===> libXpm-3.5.7 depends on file: /usr/local/libdata/pkgconfig/xextproto.pc - not found ===> Verifying install for /usr/local/libdata/pkgconfig/xextproto.pc in /usr/ports/x11/xextproto ===> Returning to build of libXpm-3.5.7 ===> libXpm-3.5.7 depends on file: /usr/local/libdata/pkgconfig/xproto.pc - not found ===> Verifying install for /usr/local/libdata/pkgconfig/xproto.pc in /usr/ports/x11/xproto ===> Returning to build of libXpm-3.5.7 ===> libXpm-3.5.7 depends on file: /usr/local/libdata/pkgconfig/x11.pc - not found ===> Verifying install for /usr/local/libdata/pkgconfig/x11.pc in /usr/ports/x11/libX11 ===> libX11-1.2.1_1,1 depends on file: /usr/local/libdata/pkgconfig/xcb.pc - not found ===> Verifying install for /usr/local/libdata/pkgconfig/xcb.pc in /usr/ports/x11/libxcb ===> libxcb-1.4 depends on file: /usr/local/lib/libcheck.a - found ===> libxcb-1.4 depends on executable: xsltproc - found ===> libxcb-1.4 depends on file: /usr/local/libdata/pkgconfig/xcb-proto.pc - found ===> libxcb-1.4 depends on package: xcb-proto>=1.5 - found ===> libxcb-1.4 depends on file: /usr/local/libdata/pkgconfig/pthread-stubs.pc - found ===> libxcb-1.4 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/python2.6 - found ===> libxcb-1.4 depends on executable: gmake - found ===> libxcb-1.4 depends on file: /usr/local/libdata/pkgconfig/xau.pc - not found ===> Verifying install for /usr/local/libdata/pkgconfig/xau.pc in /usr/ports/x11/libXau ===> libXau-1.0.4 depends on file: /usr/local/libdata/pkgconfig/xproto.pc - not found ===> Verifying install for /usr/local/libdata/pkgconfig/xproto.pc in /usr/ports/x11/xproto ===> Returning to build of libXau-1.0.4 ===> libXau-1.0.4 depends on executable: pkg-config - found ===> Configuring for libXau-1.0.4 checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c -o root -g wheel checking whether build environment is sane... yes checking for a thread-safe mkdir -p... ./install-sh -c -d checking for gawk... no checking for mawk... no checking for nawk... nawk checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes checking whether to enable maintainer-specific portions of Makefiles... no checking if xorg-macros used to generate configure is at least 1.1... yes, 1.1.6 checking for gcc... cc checking for C compiler default output file name... a.out checking whether the C compiler works... yes checking whether we are cross compiling... no checking for suffix of executables... checking for suffix of object files... o checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... yes checking whether cc accepts -g... yes checking for cc option to accept ISO C89... none needed checking for style of include used by make... GNU checking dependency style of cc... gcc3 checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c -o root -g wheel checking whether ln -s works... yes checking build system type... i386-portbld-freebsd7.1 checking host system type... i386-portbld-freebsd7.1 checking for a sed that does not truncate output... /usr/bin/sed checking for grep that handles long lines and -e... /usr/bin/grep checking for egrep... /usr/bin/grep -E checking for ld used by cc... /usr/bin/ld checking if the linker (/usr/bin/ld) is GNU ld... yes checking for /usr/bin/ld option to reload object files... -r checking for BSD-compatible nm... /usr/bin/nm -B checking how to recognise dependent libraries... pass_all checking how to run the C preprocessor... cc -E checking for ANSI C header files... yes checking for sys/types.h... yes checking for sys/stat.h... yes checking for stdlib.h... yes checking for string.h... yes checking for memory.h... yes checking for strings.h... yes checking for inttypes.h... yes checking for stdint.h... yes checking for unistd.h... yes checking dlfcn.h usability... yes checking dlfcn.h presence... yes checking for dlfcn.h... yes checking whether we are using the GNU C++ compiler... yes checking whether c++ accepts -g... yes checking dependency style of c++... gcc3 checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... c++ -E checking for g77... no checking for xlf... no checking for f77... no checking for frt... no checking for pgf77... no checking for cf77... no checking for fort77... no checking for fl32... no checking for af77... no checking for xlf90... no checking for f90... no checking for pgf90... no checking for pghpf... no checking for epcf90... no checking for gfortran... no checking for g95... no checking for xlf95... no checking for f95... no checking for fort... no checking for ifort... no checking for ifc... no checking for efc... no checking for pgf95... no checking for lf95... no checking for ftn... no checking whether we are using the GNU Fortran 77 compiler... no checking whether accepts -g... no checking the maximum length of command line arguments... (cached) 262144 checking command to parse /usr/bin/nm -B output from cc object... ok checking for objdir... .libs checking for ar... ar checking for ranlib... ranlib checking for strip... strip checking if cc supports -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions... no checking for cc option to produce PIC... -fPIC checking if cc PIC flag -fPIC works... yes checking if cc static flag -static works... yes checking if cc supports -c -o file.o... yes checking whether the cc linker (/usr/bin/ld) supports shared libraries... yes checking whether -lc should be explicitly linked in... no checking dynamic linker characteristics... freebsd7.1 ld.so checking how to hardcode library paths into programs... immediate checking whether stripping libraries is possible... yes checking if libtool supports shared libraries... yes checking whether to build shared libraries... yes checking whether to build static libraries... yes configure: creating libtool appending configuration tag "CXX" to libtool checking for ld used by c++... /usr/bin/ld checking if the linker (/usr/bin/ld) is GNU ld... yes checking whether the c++ linker (/usr/bin/ld) supports shared libraries... yes checking for c++ option to produce PIC... -fPIC checking if c++ PIC flag -fPIC works... yes checking if c++ static flag -static works... yes checking if c++ supports -c -o file.o... yes checking whether the c++ linker (/usr/bin/ld) supports shared libraries... yes checking dynamic linker characteristics... freebsd7.1 ld.so checking how to hardcode library paths into programs... immediate appending configuration tag "F77" to libtool checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... (cached) yes checking for pkg-config... /usr/local/bin/pkg-config checking pkg-config is at least version 0.9.0... yes checking for XAU... gnome-config: not found configure: error: Package requirements (xproto) were not met. Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you installed software in a non-standard prefix. Alternatively you may set the XAU_CFLAGS and XAU_LIBS environment variables to avoid the need to call pkg-config. See the pkg-config man page for more details. ===> Script "configure" failed unexpectedly. Please report the problem to x11@FreeBSD.org [maintainer] and attach the "/var/ports/basejail/usr/ports/x11/libXau/work/libXau-1.0.4/config.log" including the output of the failure of your make command. Also, it might be a good idea to provide an overview of all packages installed on your system (e.g. an `ls /var/db/pkg`). *** Error code 1 Stop in /basejail/usr/ports/x11/libXau. *** Error code 1 Stop in /basejail/usr/ports/x11/libxcb. *** Error code 1 Stop in /basejail/usr/ports/x11/libX11. *** Error code 1 Stop in /basejail/usr/ports/x11/libXpm. *** Error code 1 Stop in /basejail/usr/ports/graphics/php5-gd. *** Error code 1 Stop in /basejail/usr/ports/graphics/php5-gd. *** Error code 1 Stop in /basejail/usr/ports/databases/phpmyadmin. *** Error code 1 Stop in /basejail/usr/ports/databases/phpmyadmin. # Kikachi From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 21:39:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA0651065670 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:39:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A57378FC1F for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:39:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1MyY32-0007ej-Kz for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:39:48 +0200 Received: from pool-70-21-18-105.res.east.verizon.net ([70.21.18.105]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:39:48 +0200 Received: from nightrecon by pool-70-21-18-105.res.east.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:39:48 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Followup-To: gmane.os.freebsd.questions Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:40:09 -0400 Lines: 35 Message-ID: References: <876d4ae10910151251g191a7a94g896fc57af54a6d72@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-70-21-18-105.res.east.verizon.net Sender: news Subject: Re: phpMyAdmin install stopped in dependency 'libXau-1.0.4' X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: nightrecon@hotmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:39:51 -0000 Kikachi Kozumi wrote: > Hi, > > I tried installing phpMyAdmin in an ezjail created jail already > installed with apache22, mysql and php5 running FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE > i386 with no X11 (headless). > The port install failed when dependency 'libXau-1.0.4' configure > couldn't find gnome-config: > > ... > checking for XAU... gnome-config: not found > configure: error: Package requirements (xproto) were not met. > ... > > I'm not sure if this issue is specific to my system or is it a ports > issue but I found that libXau-1.0.4 was in the ports tree since > January 2009 so it's less likely to be an issue with the port itself. > > Right now I'm not sure if the required gnome-config is lost from my > system or was never there in the 1st place. What can I do to continue > with phpMyAdmin installation? > > I'm also curious why the phpMyAdmin port requires libX11 libraries to > build while the phpMyAdmin website states that php, mysql and apache > are the requirements for running phpMyAdmin? > [snip] Try placing WITHOUT_X11=yes into /etc/make.conf so it will build without the X related nonsense. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 22:19:15 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB42710656C3 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:19:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from af.gourmet@videotron.ca) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6DBF8FC0C for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:19:15 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Received: from [192.168.0.51] ([96.21.103.185]) by VL-MO-MR004.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-4.01 (built Aug 3 2007; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KRK00KCNU02Z690@VL-MO-MR004.ip.videotron.ca> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:19:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <4AD79FE4.6010109@videotron.ca> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:19:16 -0400 From: PJ User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: usb key problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:19:15 -0000 I am running 7.2 but cannot properly attach/detach cruze 8gb and 4gb USB keys. When inserted, generate errors: da0 seems to be read correctly but then comes arow of (probe0:umass-sim0:0:0:1): snip CAM Status: SCSI Status Error snip NOT READY asc:3a,0 Medium not present Unretryable error then cd0 at umass-sim0 dada,dada,dada attempt to query device size failed; UNIT ATTENTION, Not ready to ready change, medium may have changed # camcontrol devlist at scbus1 target 0 lun 0 (da0,pass0) same as above ----- --------------------------- lun 1 (pass1,cd0) Something is not functioning & I don't understand. It did function a while (some weeks) ago but now, no go... I did look on the web, but... ???? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 22:14:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC65D1065672 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:14:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from narmonov2009@gmail.com) Received: from mail-px0-f196.google.com (mail-px0-f196.google.com [209.85.216.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ED128FC1F for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:14:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pxi34 with SMTP id 34so1088294pxi.8 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:14:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=YhZJ5cV8qiIvpTU5gdBrBIcaQByQ7bp5+UVt2UEFoH0=; b=Zr5csvrMaYVfIwFLcuojb0rLTa9ec+CJsAFxMTICJwbPX+VhPtDMC1axZwDQKApWt/ hCGKyY0MyqJP3fD+Y0k3uRfyUkjRia8zeW+y43mvmlkgvyxqzPyz2ExnW49oKnyHQGAo Yaze4vEJZtMfn/etvFAeWLr6VkoqN3lqJyofc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=rDvZL54qBNWkHyYMseXrvuUTe4n+RAKzDL0YEQqhquKc8BdG9hE4QLmpgTBfPEgjOt q89/x1wowcY/JKS24kk+SpPpYbBI4VL4vr3qvk9p6drZgkEci98zBxl9aGpFJvSDHcff n/MHax4S5tAmitwTaK9wQqyebzt0z0PJ1pN5g= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.114.237.37 with SMTP id k37mr461466wah.31.1255642957524; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:42:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:42:37 -0800 Message-ID: <8ffcff2c0910151442k6ebb5ce0h923a25e1da792849@mail.gmail.com> From: Ilych narmonov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:30:11 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: network setup X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:14:23 -0000 Guys, I'm new with freeBSD setup. I hope somebody here who will give some links on how I will buil my network using freeBSD. I'm planning to use it as my router and dhcp server. Thanks everyone.. Carlos Narmonov From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 22:37:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20B8F1065676 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:37:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f178.google.com (mail-yw0-f178.google.com [209.85.211.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA8418FC08 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:37:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywh8 with SMTP id 8so1462358ywh.3 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:37:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=m5GdBwYcpXHUP7ju1AH1n/62Y6sFvEZgyduKtIfmT8A=; b=rizDkSe4sxw40bkrMhNkPticC/blL5F+dZjVpykVJxTaTd23KAV+apuZieAK50Wmz9 5KZsngdQH//CccYkHI/ZELmTiYvTHIa7HWFdIaGilxVkwV+T9Ay/1caWNHAsHucFnVbB Jg+qJlFJOyFHsvy+/ozBOHm85Y6pjY5xzY1cw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=kA0WlFpGHr2qniOiICvlSDkfU3j2rsNHiRzv/iyjc95LhBGtYGjXKAioJArLWuK9f5 dY8bLJD8vPni65hWVoLQ5MKVaTncH6IB32NadlY5Q9cga05XMygkxH84ytO7w3IBBI8O DhrOmcZP/rwE9gb04GgiqOL4ITrWv6l5c1YQM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.76.6 with SMTP id y6mr1391115yba.60.1255646241144; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:37:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8ffcff2c0910151442k6ebb5ce0h923a25e1da792849@mail.gmail.com> References: <8ffcff2c0910151442k6ebb5ce0h923a25e1da792849@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:37:21 -0500 Message-ID: <6201873e0910151537h187df4d6ya0ad4456a515fd93@mail.gmail.com> From: Adam Vande More To: Ilych narmonov Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: network setup X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:37:22 -0000 On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Ilych narmonov wrote: > Guys, > > I'm new with freeBSD setup. I hope somebody here who will give some links > on how I will buil my network using freeBSD. > > I'm planning to use it as my router and dhcp server. > > > Thanks everyone.. > > > Carlos Narmonov > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Here you'll find specifics on virtually all common tasks including the ones you mentioned. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/ -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 23:08:11 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8BB2106566B for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:08:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from af.gourmet@videotron.ca) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF9318FC0C for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:08:11 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Received: from [192.168.0.51] ([96.21.103.185]) by VL-MO-MR005.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-4.01 (built Aug 3 2007; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KRK00H56W9MMV50@VL-MO-MR005.ip.videotron.ca> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:08:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <4AD7AB5C.2040308@videotron.ca> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:08:12 -0400 From: PJ User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) To: Polytropon References: <4AD74198.9010301@videotron.ca> <4AD74A14.9010403@videotron.ca> <20091015200626.c1dee87b.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AD76D10.2040408@videotron.ca> <20091015210856.b8afc17d.freebsd@edvax.de> In-reply-to: <20091015210856.b8afc17d.freebsd@edvax.de> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: booting from wrong disk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:08:12 -0000 Polytropon wrote: > On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:42:24 -0400, PJ wrote: > >> But sysinstall will overwrite all the info on the disk and that defeats >> the whole purpose of the exercise. >> > > If you only change a slice's state and add an MBR, it won't > do anything to the data inside the slice. > > > > >> What complicates matters is the use of GAG as boot manager. >> > > Hmmm... I'm not familar with that, nor have I ever heared of > it. > > > > >> If I select >> to boot from ad4 and the boot is from ad12, then there is something >> wrong. >> > > Check /etc/fstab as suggested. Furthermore, check what GAG > actually does - just to be sure it boots the correct device. > I always assumed that you use the standard MBR which does, > as I explained, simply boot the first "active" slice on the > first disk it finds. Maybe GAG acts differently. > > Gag is really about the simplest you can find... it is installed on the main drive that is selected by bios and it works from there. I have found it to be quite safe and reliable. Only difficulty is sometimes to figure ;out what dist it is booting from but that can be worked out be trial and error. I've tried the rest, this is the best KISS. > > >> It indicates to me that the mbr is loading the wrong disk. >> > > In this case, it's good to read how booting works. MBR, and > bootN, the FreeBSD loader and the kernel own specified points > in this race. :-) > > > > >> I noticed this when trying to boot a disk on my other computer... it was >> looking for ad12 when there was no ad12 installed. >> > > "Who" was looking for ad12? Was it at the "boot>" or the "Ok" > prompt? > the boot... it could be seen in the onscreen mesages... and then the boot oviously failed... > > > >> I found that strange, >> but then I recalled thatManolis Klagias had warned about something of >> the sort. Now, I'll have to sort that out. >> > > You have to be entirely sure that the booting process works as > intended. The easiest way to ensure this is to first use only > one disk at once in the system. There are different stages where > things can get messed up, such as the loader or /etc/fstab. > They have to match the situation. > > As a sidenote, GEOM supports labelling partitions so it does not > matter anymore if, for example, a / partition is ad4s1a or ad12s1a. > There's a section in the handbook that illustrates how to get rid > of device names in /etc/fstab. > I noticed that but have not yet had the opportunity to look into it. The fstab did cure the problem and showed some of the pitfalls one can encounter. After fixing the fstab, the boot did not complete because the fstab from the source disk had anextra partition (/backups) which were not present in the original ad4 disk. But that was easiily fixed by simply removing the fstab entry for that /backups partition. Now it works fine. > > > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 23:13:05 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60546106566B for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:13:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from af.gourmet@videotron.ca) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3688D8FC12 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:13:05 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Received: from [192.168.0.51] ([96.21.103.185]) by VL-MO-MR005.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-4.01 (built Aug 3 2007; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KRK005NOWHSXZT0@VL-MO-MR005.ip.videotron.ca> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:13:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <4AD7AC82.6020806@videotron.ca> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:13:06 -0400 From: PJ User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) To: Polytropon References: <4AD74198.9010301@videotron.ca> <20091015203922.d98bc249.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AD77127.1060805@videotron.ca> <20091015211743.e910374e.freebsd@edvax.de> In-reply-to: <20091015211743.e910374e.freebsd@edvax.de> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: how to prepare disk for dump/restore X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:13:05 -0000 Polytropon wrote: > On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:59:51 -0400, PJ wrote: > >> I would like to just partition, label and newfs the disk; livefs wants >> to waste my time by installing other stuff like the kernel & man pages >> etc that I have not even selected; >> > > Just don't go through the whole installation cycle; from the > sysinstall main menu, select "Custom" and perform slicing > (setting disk active, adding standard MBR) and partitioning > (creating partitions, format them with "w" or "z"). Then > leave the menu and use the shell. You can get to the "Fdisk" > and "Label" through "Configure" in the main menu, too. > > > > >> and if I use postinstall >> configuration, that doesn't do anything. Or should I use fixit and then >> do the manual thing? >> > > You can use sysinstall from the Fixit CD, too. That's the way > I'm mostly doing this kind of thing: Preparing the disk with > the sysinstall tool, then dropping to CLI for the restoring > process. > > > > >> Sysinstall requires already being booted... ??? >> > > No. You can execute it even on a running system. > That's what I meant. :-) > > > >> Or do I do it manually as per Polytropon's recipe of fdisk, bsdlabel, >> newfs mount, dump/restore and use/play? ;-) >> > > This method is quite usable when you completely understood what > you're doing; furthermore, it enables scripting automated > processes, which is very handy especially when you want to > provide larger numbers of cloned systems. > > In any case: Be sure which device you're operating on, and keep > in mind that it may (!) be a different device when in the place > where it should go. > > For example, if you intend to prepare a disk to be ad4 in the > target system, let it be (if possible) ad4 in the source system, > and boot your source system from ad12. From this running system, > perform the cloning. If everything is done, check references > for ad12 and change them to ad4 (even *that* can be scripted); > eyes on /etc/fstab. After you've done everything, shut down the > running system, unplug ad12 and let the system boot from ad4. > Everything should be alright now. Extract ad4 and take it to > its new system. > I think i'm at the stage where my stumbling is beginning to get straightened out... ;-) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 23:14:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 354E21065670 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:14:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from af.gourmet@videotron.ca) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B2728FC12 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:14:46 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Received: from [192.168.0.51] ([96.21.103.185]) by VL-MO-MR005.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-4.01 (built Aug 3 2007; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KRK00GI4WKLS6M0@VL-MO-MR005.ip.videotron.ca> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:14:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <4AD7ACE7.6030201@videotron.ca> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:14:47 -0400 From: PJ User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) To: Polytropon , PJ , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4AD74198.9010301@videotron.ca> <20091015203922.d98bc249.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AD77127.1060805@videotron.ca> <20091015211743.e910374e.freebsd@edvax.de> <20091015193120.GA74733@sushi.pseudo.local> In-reply-to: <20091015193120.GA74733@sushi.pseudo.local> Cc: Subject: Re: how to prepare disk for dump/restore X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:14:46 -0000 Tobias Rehbein wrote: > Am Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 09:17:43PM +0200 schrieb Polytropon: > >> On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:59:51 -0400, PJ wrote: >> >> You can use sysinstall from the Fixit CD, too. That's the way >> I'm mostly doing this kind of thing: Preparing the disk with >> the sysinstall tool, then dropping to CLI for the restoring >> process. >> > > If all you want to do is to prepare the disks you can leave sysinstall alone and > use sade(8). > > Hmmm, very, very interesting... Will check it out. 8-) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 23:18:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77C4B1065672 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:18:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from af.gourmet@videotron.ca) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 525158FC14 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:18:44 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Received: from [192.168.0.51] ([96.21.103.185]) by VL-MR-MR002.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KRK00LCXWR79C30@VL-MR-MR002.ip.videotron.ca> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:18:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <4AD7ADD5.6020702@videotron.ca> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:18:45 -0400 From: PJ User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4AD79FE4.6010109@videotron.ca> In-reply-to: <4AD79FE4.6010109@videotron.ca> Subject: Re: usb key problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:18:44 -0000 PJ wrote: > I am running 7.2 but cannot properly attach/detach cruze 8gb and 4gb USB > keys. > When inserted, generate errors: > da0 seems to be read correctly > but then comes arow of > (probe0:umass-sim0:0:0:1): snip CAM Status: SCSI Status Error > snip NOT READY asc:3a,0 > Medium not present > Unretryable error > then > cd0 at umass-sim0 dada,dada,dada > attempt to query device size failed; UNIT ATTENTION, Not ready to ready > change, medium may have changed > > # camcontrol devlist > at scbus1 target 0 lun 0 (da0,pass0) > same as above ----- --------------------------- lun 1 (pass1,cd0) > > Something is not functioning & I don't understand. It did function a > while (some weeks) ago but now, no go... > I did look on the web, but... > ???? > > Now that I have had a few moments to think about it, maybe I have to give good old cruze and enema and format it under XP ... maybe all it needs is a clean system on it. ;-) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 23:26:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F7BA1065679 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:26:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 508738FC08 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:26:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-71-245.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.71.245]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 097603C939; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 01:26:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n9FNQA3Y003020; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 01:26:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 01:26:10 +0200 From: Polytropon To: PJ Message-Id: <20091016012610.99efbf26.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4AD79FE4.6010109@videotron.ca> References: <4AD79FE4.6010109@videotron.ca> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: usb key problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:26:13 -0000 On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:19:16 -0400, PJ wrote: > I am running 7.2 but cannot properly attach/detach cruze 8gb and 4gb USB > keys. > When inserted, generate errors: > da0 seems to be read correctly > but then comes arow of > (probe0:umass-sim0:0:0:1): snip CAM Status: SCSI Status Error > snip NOT READY asc:3a,0 > Medium not present > Unretryable error > then > cd0 at umass-sim0 dada,dada,dada > attempt to query device size failed; UNIT ATTENTION, Not ready to ready > change, medium may have changed > > # camcontrol devlist > at scbus1 target 0 lun 0 (da0,pass0) > same as above ----- --------------------------- lun 1 (pass1,cd0) It would be good if you provide the full dmesg lines that are corresponding with this problem. By the way, I had problems with "defective by design" SanDisk USB sticks, too. This is how it looked: % dmesg | tail umass0: on uhub2 da0 at umass-sim0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 da0: Removable Direct Access SCSI-0 device da0: 40.000MB/s transfers da0: Attempt to query device size failed: UNIT ATTENTION, Medium not present umass0: at uhub2 port 2 (addr 2) disconnected (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): lost device (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): removing device entry umass0: detached I could not access the stick, /dev/da0 was the only device that appeared, and I could only dump the partition table (in terms of "DOS primary partitions", i. e. slices) with the "fdisk da0" command. But I could not access it. Finally, I printed out dmesg on a line printer (looks very impressing), marked the lines shown above and returned it to the shop. I'm now happy with a Sony USB stick which works excellently. > Something is not functioning & I don't understand. It did function a > while (some weeks) ago but now, no go... It did function, and now no more? I would say that if you didn't change anything on your system, the SanDisk stick is broken. Could you try the stick in another system for reference? > I did look on the web, but... > ???? Did you see a spider that made the web? :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 23:30:02 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6A79106566B for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:30:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95EAC8FC16 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:30:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-71-245.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.71.245]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id C592A3C9A1; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 01:30:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n9FNU0NM003027; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 01:30:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 01:30:00 +0200 From: Polytropon To: PJ Message-Id: <20091016013000.2b35e4ad.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4AD7AB5C.2040308@videotron.ca> References: <4AD74198.9010301@videotron.ca> <4AD74A14.9010403@videotron.ca> <20091015200626.c1dee87b.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AD76D10.2040408@videotron.ca> <20091015210856.b8afc17d.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AD7AB5C.2040308@videotron.ca> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: booting from wrong disk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:30:02 -0000 On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:08:12 -0400, PJ wrote: > Gag is really about the simplest you can find... it is installed on the > main drive that is selected by bios and it works from there. I have > found it to be quite safe and reliable. Only difficulty is sometimes to > figure ;out what dist it is booting from but that can be worked out be > trial and error. I've tried the rest, this is the best KISS. The last time I did dual boot is long ago; I used FreeBSD's boot manager for this, it worked well, so there was no need for something else to try. :-) > the boot... it could be seen in the onscreen mesages... and then the > boot oviously failed... Seems that the first boot stage finds ad12 BEFORE ad4, which is quite strange... or is the setting hardcoded somewhere in the boot loader? > I noticed that but have not yet had the opportunity to look into it. That would be a good point to start diagnostics. The most obvious is often such a point... > The fstab did cure the problem and showed some of the pitfalls one can > encounter. After fixing the fstab, the boot did not complete because the > fstab from the source disk had anextra partition (/backups) which were > not present in the original ad4 disk. But that was easiily fixed by > simply removing the fstab entry for that /backups partition. Now it > works fine. Excellent! And you have learned something new. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 23:32:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E7B0106568D for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:32:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FEF98FC17 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:32:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-71-245.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.71.245]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id A44E73C9CC; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 01:32:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n9FNWkhO003034; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 01:32:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 01:32:46 +0200 From: Polytropon To: PJ Message-Id: <20091016013246.c0e022e5.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4AD7ADD5.6020702@videotron.ca> References: <4AD79FE4.6010109@videotron.ca> <4AD7ADD5.6020702@videotron.ca> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: usb key problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:32:48 -0000 On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:18:45 -0400, PJ wrote: > Now that I have had a few moments to think about it, maybe I have to > give good old cruze and enema and format it under XP ... maybe all it > needs is a clean system on it. ;-) I'm not sure if USB sticks tend to degrade filesystem-wise, but when you put such a stick into random "Windows" PCs, it's quite possible that data gets messed up. The most ideal solution of course is to simply newfs the stick and give it a UFS file system, but sadly, "Windows" PC are resistent to standards, so they won't read it, but will force you to use old-fashioned MS-DOS-like file systems. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 00:08:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55FA2106568F for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:08:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from af.gourmet@videotron.ca) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DC718FC15 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:08:14 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Received: from [192.168.0.51] ([96.21.103.185]) by VL-MR-MR001.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KRK00C2ZYY6HC30@VL-MR-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:06:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <4AD7B8F0.20903@videotron.ca> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:06:08 -0400 From: PJ User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) To: Polytropon References: <4AD79FE4.6010109@videotron.ca> <20091016012610.99efbf26.freebsd@edvax.de> In-reply-to: <20091016012610.99efbf26.freebsd@edvax.de> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: usb key problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:08:14 -0000 Polytropon wrote: > On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:19:16 -0400, PJ wrote: > >> I am running 7.2 but cannot properly attach/detach cruze 8gb and 4gb USB >> keys. >> When inserted, generate errors: >> da0 seems to be read correctly >> but then comes arow of >> (probe0:umass-sim0:0:0:1): snip CAM Status: SCSI Status Error >> snip NOT READY asc:3a,0 >> Medium not present >> Unretryable error >> then >> cd0 at umass-sim0 dada,dada,dada >> attempt to query device size failed; UNIT ATTENTION, Not ready to ready >> change, medium may have changed >> >> # camcontrol devlist >> at scbus1 target 0 lun 0 (da0,pass0) >> same as above ----- --------------------------- lun 1 (pass1,cd0) >> > > It would be good if you provide the full dmesg lines that > are corresponding with this problem. > > By the way, I had problems with "defective by design" SanDisk > USB sticks, too. This is how it looked: > > % dmesg | tail > umass0: on uhub2 > da0 at umass-sim0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 > da0: Removable Direct Access SCSI-0 device > da0: 40.000MB/s transfers > da0: Attempt to query device size failed: UNIT ATTENTION, Medium not present > umass0: at uhub2 port 2 (addr 2) disconnected > (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): lost device > (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): removing device entry > umass0: detached > > I could not access the stick, /dev/da0 was the only device > that appeared, and I could only dump the partition table > (in terms of "DOS primary partitions", i. e. slices) with > the "fdisk da0" command. But I could not access it. > > Finally, I printed out dmesg on a line printer (looks very > impressing), marked the lines shown above and returned it to > the shop. I'm now happy with a Sony USB stick which works > excellently. > > > > >> Something is not functioning & I don't understand. It did function a >> while (some weeks) ago but now, no go... >> > > It did function, and now no more? I would say that if you didn't > change anything on your system, the SanDisk stick is broken. > > Could you try the stick in another system for reference? > > > > >> I did look on the web, but... >> ???? >> > > Did you see a spider that made the web? :-) > Yeah, and it scared the shit out of me... ;-) Anyway, I found the solution on the web... couldn't belive it was that simple: just ignore the crap spewed out on the screen and just mount iit as you would any other disk. # mount -t msdosfs /dev/da0s1 /mnt and that's it I don't know if it makes any difference, but I did delete everything on the key and formatted with Fat32. That got rid of everything and only took up 4k instead of 32 when not formatted and I could put my own label on the disk. Yea! Now to see how I can use it to restore stuff. :-D From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 00:12:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDB3A106566B for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:12:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from af.gourmet@videotron.ca) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6BF08FC0A for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:12:32 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Received: from [192.168.0.51] ([96.21.103.185]) by VL-MH-MR001.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-4.01 (built Aug 3 2007; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KRK003D7Z84A590@VL-MH-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:12:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <4AD7BA56.4080409@videotron.ca> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:12:06 -0400 From: PJ User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) To: Polytropon References: <4AD79FE4.6010109@videotron.ca> <4AD7ADD5.6020702@videotron.ca> <20091016013246.c0e022e5.freebsd@edvax.de> In-reply-to: <20091016013246.c0e022e5.freebsd@edvax.de> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: usb key problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:12:32 -0000 Polytropon wrote: > On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:18:45 -0400, PJ wrote: > >> Now that I have had a few moments to think about it, maybe I have to >> give good old cruze and enema and format it under XP ... maybe all it >> needs is a clean system on it. ;-) >> > > I'm not sure if USB sticks tend to degrade filesystem-wise, > but when you put such a stick into random "Windows" PCs, it's > quite possible that data gets messed up. The most ideal > solution of course is to simply newfs the stick and give it > a UFS file system, but sadly, "Windows" PC are resistent to > standards, so they won't read it, but will force you to use > old-fashioned MS-DOS-like file systems. :-) > > > I do hate MS, but can't totally avoid it. Now, I hope the key works to transfer the dumpfiles even if it's in Fat32... Anyway, thanks much for your guidance and patience. :-) I think I'll be able to float by myself... for a while at least. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 00:18:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E80BB106568D for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:18:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A91DA8FC14 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:18:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-71-245.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.71.245]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D10CF3CA1B; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:17:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n9G0HxlN003184; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:17:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:17:59 +0200 From: Polytropon To: PJ Message-Id: <20091016021759.f478642a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4AD7B8F0.20903@videotron.ca> References: <4AD79FE4.6010109@videotron.ca> <20091016012610.99efbf26.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AD7B8F0.20903@videotron.ca> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: usb key problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:18:02 -0000 On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:06:08 -0400, PJ wrote: > Anyway, I found the solution on the web... couldn't belive it was that > simple: just ignore the crap spewed out on the screen and just mount iit > as you would any other disk. > # mount -t msdosfs /dev/da0s1 /mnt > and that's it Additionally, when you use mount_msdosfs, you can specify masks (-m and -M) in order not to have +x attributes on all the files; the MS-DOS file system on the stick could give you unwanted results, for example if you have a .jpg file on the stick and want to open it (with the default app for .jpg file type), the system will try to execute it. > Now to see how I can use it to restore stuff. :-D If you want to use the stick for FreeBSD operations, why not give it a real file system (i. e. UFS) instead of some old FAT? You can simply # newfs /dev/da0 and then access it in the standard way: # mount /dev/da0 /mnt See that file owner:group, permissions and flags are now supported, and files that are not supposed to be executables don't have +x attribute (as in opposite to FAT / msdosfs). You could even add an entry in /etc/fstab like this: /dev/da0s1 /media/stick msdosfs rw,noauto,noatime 0 0 or, for proper UFS: /dev/da0 /media/stick ufs rw,noauto,noatime 0 0 Keep in mind that when using device names, it's a matter of in which sequence device are detected that result in the corresponding device name (da0, da1 etc.); using labels is the more elegant way here. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 00:35:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74152106566B for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:35:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33EFB8FC12 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:35:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-71-245.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.71.245]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id E51873CA84; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:35:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n9G0ZTCM003239; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:35:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:35:28 +0200 From: Polytropon To: PJ Message-Id: <20091016023528.f6bb9062.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4AD7BA56.4080409@videotron.ca> References: <4AD79FE4.6010109@videotron.ca> <4AD7ADD5.6020702@videotron.ca> <20091016013246.c0e022e5.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AD7BA56.4080409@videotron.ca> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: usb key problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:35:32 -0000 On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:12:06 -0400, PJ wrote: > I do hate MS, but can't totally avoid it. I'm totally MICROS~1 free for more than 15 years now. :-) > Now, I hope the key works to transfer the dumpfiles even if it's in Fat32... It should work, BUT... I think I remember that there was a size limit of some GB so that larger files got truncated... I am not sure if this is still the case. You should check the backup files, but that won't be a problem because you still have the source system. You shoudln't have problems with the stupid +x attributes because the files are only read. > I think I'll be able to float by myself... for a while at least. We all float down here. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 00:42:02 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DFC0106566B for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:42:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nlandys@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f203.google.com (mail-qy0-f203.google.com [209.85.221.203]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BED588FC16 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:42:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk42 with SMTP id 42so1138639qyk.28 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:42:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=3SzpZ1bS6elwXYut5R5ESW00QU6Yu2bJn/oM0sskTo8=; b=mRy2QKm/kBtUzkefuGbQ0bhyzY37HQKoDjTA0bZlxtQVRnb/8GI0OjDiqHCRMSL+Oc VGvIRb0oKDQCWS0/UTcVJpk04Uizl2Da250fibd7n0JsIC3+gvfwSARaLD3weYyudKNZ yd6KPW8dHde3Qt7IHSyaI0ckRbIszize9X+NI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=PrTShNyLooBbNSyKDiWrq4LtuYicWrRZMUsUoXlTps0+29Om3N8CDT1tDwrpjMY0Lz tJvmogh6k7sUQCsQGOtnFO32OeOMStt5jUv2rzUgQu9NDMJHyT71atFqEmQPqnk8v7Dw 37kqcmfx8FXVHOk+AU2ziUmQb2InRTwHHr9As= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.19.21 with SMTP id y21mr119078qca.27.1255653720981; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:42:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20091015143947.GB54613@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <560f92640910142042tc46f1e3lb81ac1e4528a44ab@mail.gmail.com> <20091015143947.GB54613@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:42:00 -0700 Message-ID: <560f92640910151742h33393131j9974c23db37602b8@mail.gmail.com> From: Nerius Landys To: Jerry McAllister Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best procedure for full backup of live system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:42:02 -0000 Thanks for your help guys. I have decided to attempt the following. With a filesystem snapshot, take a dump 0 of all filesystems. Back up these dumps to a 500GB disk I have sitting at home (the server I'm backing up is in a data center). Perform this maybe once a week or once a month. I am now looking at this: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/backup-basics.html#AEN25994 For step 1, I'm a little unsure what they are talking about. I assume that to begin with I would do this: > bsdlabel ad4s1 Since that is my disk and it has one partition. I would probably also want to do this: > dd if=/dev/ad4 of=MBR_backup bs=512 count=1 to back up the MBR, so I can recontruct the boot program and partition table. But they don't mention that in the Handbook. Then it says to back up /etc/fstab, but I'm not quite sure how I'd use this in a restore. Lastly, it says save all boot messages. Do they mean the output of dmesg? Why is this useful? Of course I would complement all of these things with the actual dump 0 of all sectors on the primary partition of the single hard drive that I have. My server should boot fine with the FreeBSD CDROM (fixit), because it uses a subset of the GENERIC kernel device drivers. So I probably don't need to pay attention to the instuctions talking about floppies. Am I correct in all of this? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 02:16:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31540106566C for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:16:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f178.google.com (mail-yw0-f178.google.com [209.85.211.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E26B68FC12 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:16:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywh8 with SMTP id 8so1592627ywh.3 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:16:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Tqc2nh4QOvHBBiue+d8hdNet+j2ciLNU0m9+XTSrsgY=; b=g5oCwf1EE7Y4iRgIbcbKgbJT6EladxAdZPY4gy8JgnkjqxtBofL7aolwO27hz7HTtL sTal8g5/QmRAjoMf0xEr3VDDitv+20ukCrdwPOid+2nbnH10L7BW0ysAKZaJLXCMVDv6 bmQ46ocrCurZPmqAwd/258sxtxQNUjVXMQMNs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=uS2pTx6xOmBeaICt4ttshEEL3r46xWlqDHJNJRCOOCRMcy4EiqASYNKeG/BfDNVLhT 7+GLf+owtLICe7BtcndYEHYX1BpwMe/q6R0dZ0Yu+upDoCyOixRzUOJKfXZs0yVP2j/f eEIZ6MmIJkohku5Y5NTpA+ut+6xaTO3ZmDQYg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.9.38 with SMTP id m38mr1212789ani.21.1255659394096; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:16:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4AD74198.9010301@videotron.ca> References: <4AD74198.9010301@videotron.ca> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:16:33 -0600 Message-ID: From: Tim Judd To: PJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: booting from wrong disk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:16:35 -0000 On 10/15/09, PJ wrote: > While trying to learn and understand the dump-retore process, I messed > up the ad4s1a partition and could not boot. To fix it I restored a > dumpfile of ad12s1a which is, for all intents and purposes, the same as > ad4s1a. I then boot from ad4 and surprise, surprise... > #df shows we have been booted from ad12 and all partitions are ad12.... > Booting from ad12s1a gives exactly the same results. > So, how can I get ad4s1a to boot from ad4? > I imagine it is something in the boot files... but how to fix that? Probably because ad12's /etc/fstab tell it to mount ad12's filesystems. rewriting mbrs and stuff probably won't help. check your fstab. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 02:38:31 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34668106566C for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:38:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 012F38FC08 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:38:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.2.102] (really [76.182.207.163]) by cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20091016023829814.VFAT16243@cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com> for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:38:29 +0000 Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:38:28 -0500 From: Paul Schmehl To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: CMS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Paul Schmehl List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:38:31 -0000 I manage a couple of FreeBSD servers for a friend. He's gotten all excited about content management and thinks that's the way to go. The system he's familiar with is Windows only. I've done a little research, but I'm wondering if anyone reading the list has experience with a CMS on FreeBSD - one that's in ports preferably. Pros? Cons? Any known security issues? Paul Schmehl, If it isn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. ****************************************** WARNING: Check the headers before replying From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 02:51:02 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 268E6106566B for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:51:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f210.google.com (mail-fx0-f210.google.com [209.85.220.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0D548FC1B for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:51:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm6 with SMTP id 6so1891990fxm.43 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:51:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=NVZj3jnKobBq/hhol1CJPqXaSZ0jkUI2dVQErL4KVmA=; b=BkMQSbyA1hrbsJEdiSawrxtO3AmhWmIKa1WxwbCtwDML35skFlXYiZMwx621cPHgle eHHye9jfn+014x5tl2hAqPaJqp5bk1UvVeDROumer/nlK+NkRL7cGGhaSoDJRFNphLqR zp+85owiPeLBTrGZ58gVOdkhc/o39dOkhpAgM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=wi5TbeizhQFb6F5u1FgRlooLOHOY4bpqUngmRRgJf0TvMRnAIl6wF2IvNHyf14eQBT 4a3yk8b18Tcd1QbRhhdep+t4JqmgoPtNfVepeVj4xSitQfJgduUgLc+4uoehd0gNbm7y +NNPL40L7Z4xyuJ7ECg+KRcjlR2o9d7klP5Ek= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.97.132 with SMTP id l4mr142858fan.100.1255661460737; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:51:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:51:00 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310910151951g466108fby678c7b37179e6b41@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: Paul Schmehl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CMS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:51:02 -0000 Howdy On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 10:38 PM, Paul Schmehl w= rote: > I manage a couple of FreeBSD servers for a friend. =A0He's gotten all exc= ited > about content management and thinks that's the way to go. =A0The system h= e's > familiar with is Windows only. =A0I've done a little research, but I'm > wondering if anyone reading the list has experience with a CMS on FreeBSD= - > one that's in ports preferably. > I've used both Drupal and Wordpress (both in ports). I'd have to gear more towards Drupal than anything else, though to be honest, I feel the same about Drupal as the author of mutt feels about mail clients - "they all suck; this one sucks less." > Pros? =A0Cons? =A0Any known security issues? > Yes to all three. --=20 Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 03:26:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AE93106566C for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 03:26:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sektie@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pz0-f202.google.com (mail-pz0-f202.google.com [209.85.222.202]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C7648FC19 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 03:26:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk40 with SMTP id 40so1329368pzk.7 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:26:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type; 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Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:36:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:36:24 -0400 Message-ID: <5d6848b00910152036y3d995909g3e31e1775b0a3f71@mail.gmail.com> From: Kevin Wilcox To: Paul Schmehl , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: Subject: Re: CMS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 03:36:25 -0000 Paul - I used to work with the guys at Appalachian State that did phpWebSite (I was their SA) and it worked great on FreeBSD. I can't say how well it works *now* but it ran fine as of a year ago on Apache2 + PostGreSQL. As far as a CMS or application framework went, it was a cinch. I just never could get into the others. kmw On 15/10/2009, Paul Schmehl wrote: > I manage a couple of FreeBSD servers for a friend. He's gotten all > excited about content management and thinks that's the way to go. The > system he's familiar with is Windows only. I've done a little research, > but I'm wondering if anyone reading the list has experience with a CMS on > FreeBSD - one that's in ports preferably. > > Pros? Cons? Any known security issues? > > Paul Schmehl, If it isn't already > obvious, my opinions are my own > and not those of my employer. > ****************************************** > WARNING: Check the headers before replying > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Sent from my mobile device Whenever there is in any country, uncultivated lands and unemployed poor, it is clear that the laws of property have been so far extended as to violate natural right. The earth is given as a common stock for man to labour and live on. -- Thomas Jefferson, 1785 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 03:47:58 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F8B5106568B for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 03:47:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3B178FC23 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 03:47:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9G3lvKC080486; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:47:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n9G3lv1T080483; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:47:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:47:57 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Nerius Landys In-Reply-To: <560f92640910151742h33393131j9974c23db37602b8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <560f92640910142042tc46f1e3lb81ac1e4528a44ab@mail.gmail.com> <20091015143947.GB54613@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <560f92640910151742h33393131j9974c23db37602b8@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.2 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:47:57 -0600 (MDT) Cc: Jerry McAllister , questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best procedure for full backup of live system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 03:47:58 -0000 On Thu, 15 Oct 2009, Nerius Landys wrote: > Thanks for your help guys. I have decided to attempt the following. > With a filesystem snapshot, take a dump 0 of all filesystems. Back up > these dumps to a 500GB disk I have sitting at home (the server I'm > backing up is in a data center). Perform this maybe once a week or > once a month. Just a general note: backup to a hard drive isn't bad, but it's not the same as removable media. One failure can kill all of your backups... > I am now looking at this: > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/backup-basics.html#AEN25994 > > For step 1, I'm a little unsure what they are talking about. I assume > that to begin with I would do this: > > > bsdlabel ad4s1 > > Since that is my disk and it has one partition. The first step there has you print out the bsdlabel. That can be valuable because it's a lot easier to have that information on hand than to try to reconstruct it after a failure. > I would probably also want to do this: > > > dd if=/dev/ad4 of=MBR_backup bs=512 count=1 Handy to have, and takes little space. > to back up the MBR, so I can recontruct the boot program and partition > table. But they don't mention that in the Handbook. > > Then it says to back up /etc/fstab, but I'm not quite sure how I'd use > this in a restore. Mostly it's reference information you might need after a failure, to see which partition goes to which mountpoint: "Aha! On that drive, /usr is s1g, not s1f." > Lastly, it says save all boot messages. Do they mean the output of > dmesg? Why is this useful? It would show what hardware was in the old machine and what services are running on startup. Backup in general is making copies of information you won't need as long as you have a backup of it. > Of course I would complement all of these things with the actual dump > 0 of all sectors on the primary partition of the single hard drive > that I have. dump(8) doesn't do all sectors, just ones used by the filesystem. Also, dump doesn't cross filesystems. In a typical FreeBSD install, /, /var, and /usr are separate filesystems. A dump of / won't get them all at once. > My server should boot fine with the FreeBSD CDROM (fixit), because it > uses a subset of the GENERIC kernel device drivers. If you can, try that before an actual emergency. > So I probably don't need to pay attention to the instuctions talking > about floppies. Not any more. A full FreeBSD install CD or DVD along with the fixit gives a lot more options. -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 03:54:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB2521065679 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 03:54:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aaflatooni@yahoo.com) Received: from web56204.mail.re3.yahoo.com (web56204.mail.re3.yahoo.com [216.252.110.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6B2F78FC1E for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 03:54:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 64978 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Oct 2009 03:54:21 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1255665261; bh=OxPO0msgsr8wE7v/G2Tfz8A2gqE4jSse3jI+pOgFoCI=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Zax6W1qCgFW6AuaUubenypjaqmQon2j321dDHOq8BGXff34Gi5PX7W2sRvX6vRktib7k2+N4/LFlwyMDvxgEL6sDQCkBRKMAqehi7iunSnqCA/nNZdvzjGALuxaPh799naPLT+yqEzI9zgvVcmytZmRI4A+YemK4NmII5KWHgmo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=jopdzuphbkUM+FbiR2yLNZMaa8cCTB42g1vV/RUCw6j/mnTa7dwFhoomMQ27LElnef97bO6kVkaviBScm72mYFKAl3tSkNTROMUPALRq/ZqDiy5/mAJ702KzbyMI8JsFtM4QVdyL8i5p7BLTjlQTjFuOsQhiK319lMAnHs0ps7s=; Message-ID: <628151.64600.qm@web56204.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 3u3FUXcVM1mnPx.wCgSz6xJgDGf9uyDhD3.2CX6gVx2l7cUM680xlAUPcbQITpLvxao.Ds9HvwDXDcSiBITybLl2wrLzMpdqXRHkBaVorSgxdkpO9gobBiCM4e71FWGxS6j82__dsA.A.WPacIhFVvHfNLm2Ju6qRdxFsoULzwt0aJn4WriYgLnBCMKvHnIR3NZpArVvLmd2XOT2jPlWCBzpQGUISCJfO6lz4CmqP6iVHG3_boru6hYeoZlbnjNFn_6zG0QBEhkdTmj_gvdR8nSdM_y1hIfoHsWfCj62fccW6l9l2QLz4uJQIH3GV_X7qmKDXDQArfcVcoEX7jHEadzODtW7BuNo1E3ZhDi8jhJp4WhmcQz_XaVJ Received: from [67.204.12.34] by web56204.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:54:21 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/182.10 YahooMailWebService/0.7.361.3 References: <526808.11391.qm@web56207.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <4ACFB17A.1080400@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:54:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Aflatoon Aflatooni To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <4ACFB17A.1080400@infracaninophile.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Security blocking question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 03:54:22 -0000 > > =0A> > Is there a way that I could configure the server so that if ther= e are for =0A> example X attempts from an IP address then for the next Y ho= urs all the SSH =0A> requests would be ignored from that IP address? There = are only a handful of =0A> people who have access to that server.=0A> =0A> = Yes.=0A> =0A> In pf.conf:=0A> =0A> table persist=0A> =0A> [...]=0A> =0A> bl= ock drop in log quick on $ext_if from =0A> =0A> [...]=0A> =0A> pass in on $= ext_if proto tcp=A0 =A0 =A0 \=0A> =A0 =A0 from any to $ext_if port ssh \=0A= > =A0 =A0 flags S/SA keep state=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 \=0A> =A0 =A0 (max-src-conn-= rate 3/30, overload flush global)=0A> =0A> plus you'll need to add a cron j= ob to clear old entries out of the =0A> ssh-bruteforce=0A> table after a su= itable amount of time has passed.=A0 Use expiretable to do=0A> that.=A0 Not= e: in practice I've found that it's a *really good idea* to implement =0A> = a SSH whitelist of addresses that will never be bruteforce blocked like thi= s -- =0A> it's very easy to lock yourself out even if everything you're doi= ng is entirely =0A> legitimate.=A0 Coding that is left as an exercise for t= he reader.=0A> =0A=0AWhat is the best way of testing the PF rule?=A0Is ther= e a quick way to mimic a brute=A0force?=A0=0AIs there a way that I could re= view the content of the table through pfctl -s all=0A=0AThanks=0A=0A=0A = From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 04:22:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 473C6106568B for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 04:22:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andrewberry@sentex.net) Received: from esa-annu.mail.uoguelph.ca (esa-annu.mail.uoguelph.ca [131.104.91.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F328A8FC1B for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 04:22:09 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AswEAPuK10qDaFvK/2dsb2JhbACBUtcUhDAE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,570,1249272000"; d="p7s'?scan'208";a="50187026" Received: from fraser.cs.uoguelph.ca ([131.104.91.202]) by esa-annu-pri.mail.uoguelph.ca with ESMTP; 15 Oct 2009 23:52:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by fraser.cs.uoguelph.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80BB9109C308; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:52:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at fraser.cs.uoguelph.ca Received: from fraser.cs.uoguelph.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (fraser.cs.uoguelph.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jCs6m21uT7CN; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:52:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blizzard.lan (p237l1llp-d4-dynamic.xDSL-1mm.sentex.ca [67.43.136.238]) by fraser.cs.uoguelph.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EA42109C2D0; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:52:41 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-11-332569669; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 From: Andrew Berry In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:52:37 -0400 Message-Id: <1A5073E4-2C62-4819-A8CC-B4AE4916FB96@sentex.net> References: To: Paul Schmehl X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CMS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 04:22:10 -0000 --Apple-Mail-11-332569669 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes On 2009-10-15, at 10:38 PM, Paul Schmehl wrote: > I'm wondering if anyone reading the list has experience with a CMS > on FreeBSD - one that's in ports preferably. Whatever you choose, make sure that the port maintainer is active with security updates. Sometimes it's better to give them web space and a DB, and let them handle updates themselves. It's worth it to subscribe to the security list of whatever CMS you choose. I've used Drupal on FreeBSD (not from ports) without issues. Pretty much anything aimed at *nix will work fine, especially if it's open source. --Andrew --Apple-Mail-11-332569669-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 04:58:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 522CF1065755 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 04:58:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from smtpq1.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net (smtpq1.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net [212.54.42.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A36A8FC19 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 04:58:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [212.54.42.145] (helo=smtp14.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq1.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MyetQ-0007iZ-QC; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 06:58:20 +0200 Received: from [84.25.72.219] (helo=ra.egypt.nl) by smtp14.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MyetQ-0006sO-4L; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 06:58:20 +0200 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (xp.egypt.nl [192.168.13.35]) by ra.egypt.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3933539840; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 06:58:18 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4AD7FD69.1060403@boosten.org> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 06:58:17 +0200 From: Peter Boosten User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Schmehl References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-ID: 1MyetQ-0006sO-4L X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-SpamCheck: geen spam, SpamAssassin (niet cached, score=-2.6, vereist 5, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60, SPF_PASS -0.00) X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-From: peter@boosten.org X-Spam-Status: No Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CMS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 04:58:23 -0000 Paul Schmehl wrote: > I manage a couple of FreeBSD servers for a friend. He's gotten all > excited about content management and thinks that's the way to go. The > system he's familiar with is Windows only. I've done a little research, > but I'm wondering if anyone reading the list has experience with a CMS > on FreeBSD - one that's in ports preferably. > I've used Joomla, Wordpress and Nucleus in the past. Dropped Joomla, because it was too big (for me) and maintaining the plugins (modules?) was too much of a hassle. The nucleus site is a nostalgic site, the Joomla site has been converted to Wordpress. The latter can be upgraded from the browser. Neither of these are installed by ports, all by source. MySQL is from ports, btw, as is all supporting software, like apache, gd, whatever. Peter -- http://www.boosten.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 07:12:57 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC2AE106566C for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 07:12:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nlandys@gmail.com) Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62EFC8FC1A for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 07:12:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 5so509910qwd.7 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:12:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Q9ScvJi3KTBsDP2DnucH69z3P/ok4q19qqGAZ4T7OWk=; b=MfeZ2hlDj5vrd6CCfxtHXnjLr9WIYVvmOEsHTaveuy4EVhKmSY/XHXNcQYv6MGDj5b AxCeGKoR/HS+s95xYmu0UKSEsvHhoSjp7IWqTB4tkmowezhsmibaBh8Oixk6ansGUo4j O36Ur7J+kDGF0niuI3JjsYp7YMNNf6LLSzvUE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=hHLhrK/Iay5GoDDzVBF+naq3r0pWRPNHdhPR2tauGfWLGaACJnl6BdkG1CFyFbZRSU jdDUlBigGvIWrJPMnV9SEtvfZgNV0BgbkktLDtEYmGxx11HGsZ04xfcKdhnEKh2cEzkB TKZNv/YqyX/U/xOmdrBx3rpzwK7MeQw8rnNnQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.129.133 with SMTP id o5mr177814qcs.45.1255677176578; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:12:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <560f92640910142042tc46f1e3lb81ac1e4528a44ab@mail.gmail.com> <20091015143947.GB54613@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <560f92640910151742h33393131j9974c23db37602b8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:12:56 -0700 Message-ID: <560f92640910160012k6877b82ah5899405418f7c0e7@mail.gmail.com> From: Nerius Landys To: Warren Block Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Jerry McAllister , questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best procedure for full backup of live system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 07:12:57 -0000 Thanks again guys. =A0My final series of steps to take full backups: bsdlabel ad4s1 | ssh -p 22222 nlandys@localhost dd of=3D/home/nlandys/backup/bsdlabel_ad4s1 dmesg -a | ssh -p 22222 nlandys@localhost dd of=3D/home/nlandys/backup/dmesg dd if=3D/dev/ad4 bs=3D512 count=3D1 | ssh -p 22222 nlandys@localhost dd of=3D/home/nlandys/backup/MBR cat /etc/fstab | ssh -p 22222 nlandys@localhost dd of=3D/home/nlandys/backup/fstab dump -0Lan -f - / | gzip | ssh -p 22222 nlandys@localhost dd of=3D/home/nlandys/backup/dump0-root.gz dump -0Lan -f - /tmp | gzip | ssh -p 22222 nlandys@localhost dd of=3D/home/nlandys/backup/dump0-tmp.gz dump -0Lan -f - /var | gzip | ssh -p 22222 nlandys@localhost dd of=3D/home/nlandys/backup/dump0-var.gz dump -0Lan -f - /usr | gzip | ssh -p 22222 nlandys@localhost dd of=3D/home/nlandys/backup/dump0-usr.gz ... where port 22222 on localhost is a pipe to my remote desktop with the 500 GB harddrive. If I missed anything important please let me know. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 07:30:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C353106566B for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 07:30:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (gate6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A74708FC1E for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 07:30:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9G7UDbC044624; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:30:22 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk n9G7UDbC044624 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=200708; t=1255678222; bh=THr/xATQKKNzw/PZMfBsOWrFPKU9aAPL/7U3e1ho2WM=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4AD820FE.4050808@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20F ri,=2016=20Oct=202009=2008:30:06=20+0100|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|Organization:=20Infracaninophi le|User-Agent:=20Thunderbird=202.0.0.23=20(X11/20090823)|MIME-Vers ion:=201.0|To:=20Aflatoon=20Aflatooni=20|CC: =20freebsd-questions@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20Security=20block ing=20question|References:=20<526808.11391.qm@web56207.mail.re3.ya hoo.com>=09<4ACFB17A.1080400@infracaninophile.co.uk>=20<628151.646 00.qm@web56204.mail.re3.yahoo.com>|In-Reply-To:=20<628151.64600.qm @web56204.mail.re3.yahoo.com>|X-Enigmail-Version:=200.95.6|Content -Type:=20multipart/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha256=3B=0D=0A=20prot ocol=3D"application/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"-------- ----enig323FD8E88326370DFD739802"; b=aGX3MUusxYCsySjZ1uDybql7mvHXtWFSM5K5HGqTC0Or5HgkJJntGLEvbApj6iid+ ZTg0CUa41RJ0do5c/r+IX70I1P2ACGZbPy8sWkd0Lng8txix9UYNZz8LQ8ajsyh8hu sBOtjtu06bRnlXnLdyIV5EYt9k9OOdBTjIBZ1R/c= X-Authentication-Warning: happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host localhost [IPv6:::1] claimed to be happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Message-ID: <4AD820FE.4050808@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:30:06 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090823) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Aflatoon Aflatooni References: <526808.11391.qm@web56207.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <4ACFB17A.1080400@infracaninophile.co.uk> <628151.64600.qm@web56204.mail.re3.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <628151.64600.qm@web56204.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig323FD8E88326370DFD739802" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.2 at happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Security blocking question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 07:30:28 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig323FD8E88326370DFD739802 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Aflatoon Aflatooni wrote: >>> Is there a way that I could configure the server so that if there are= for=20 >> example X attempts from an IP address then for the next Y hours all th= e SSH=20 >> requests would be ignored from that IP address? There are only a handf= ul of=20 >> people who have access to that server. >> >> Yes. >> >> In pf.conf: >> >> table persist >> >> [...] >> >> block drop in log quick on $ext_if from=20 >> >> [...] >> >> pass in on $ext_if proto tcp \ >> from any to $ext_if port ssh \ >> flags S/SA keep state \ >> (max-src-conn-rate 3/30, overload flush global) >> >> plus you'll need to add a cron job to clear old entries out of the=20 >> ssh-bruteforce >> table after a suitable amount of time has passed. Use expiretable to = do >> that. Note: in practice I've found that it's a *really good idea* to = implement=20 >> a SSH whitelist of addresses that will never be bruteforce blocked lik= e this --=20 >> it's very easy to lock yourself out even if everything you're doing is= entirely=20 >> legitimate. Coding that is left as an exercise for the reader. >> >=20 > What is the best way of testing the PF rule? Is there a quick way to mi= mic a brute force?=20 > Is there a way that I could review the content of the table through pfc= tl -s all To test, you need access to a machine not in your whitelist from where yo= u can try ssh'ing into the protected machine several times in rapid sequenc= e. 3 times in 30s sounds quite fast, but it is actually not to hard to achie= ve accidentally, especially if you use tools like rsync over SSH transport. = You should have a login concurrently from some other IP or on the console, ot= herwise you will lock yourself out. To see what IPs have been added to the ssh-bruteforce table and when and = what traffic has been blocked: # pfctl -vv -t ssh-bruteforce -T show To manually delete an IP from the ssh-bruteforce table: # pfctl -t ssh-bruteforce -T delete 12.34.56.78 As noted elsewhere in this thread, instead of using expiretable, you can = run this out of cron to expire addresses over a day old from the ssh-bruteforce bl= ocklist: # pfctl -t ssh-bruteforce -T expire 86400 The pfctl(8) man page is pretty illuminating. Cheers, Matthew PS. Got to love the way that HTML-ising e-mail has deleted the table nam= e from the examples above. I hope you could actually read it unmunged. Pla= in text rools! --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig323FD8E88326370DFD739802 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.13 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREIAAYFAkrYIQUACgkQ8Mjk52CukIzwxwCePmqWuFaEOmvEquId6UfRaris 5EEAoJFjcEXpoWEIRMq4h/HDKnMmmjUw =UaBq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig323FD8E88326370DFD739802-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 07:39:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55D35106566C for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 07:39:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (gate6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB7A98FC16 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 07:39:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9G7d4oj044714; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:39:05 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk n9G7d4oj044714 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=200708; t=1255678745; bh=NFXlT53KM+PkchL4B63s6N5HphVBWcGNK3XaCxwvjUQ=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4AD82317.40006@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20Fri ,=2016=20Oct=202009=2008:39:03=20+0100|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman=20 |Organization:=20Infracaninophile |User-Agent:=20Thunderbird=202.0.0.23=20(X11/20090823)|MIME-Versio n:=201.0|To:=20Warren=20Block=20|CC:=20Nerius= 20Landys=20,=20Jerry=20McAllister=20,=20=0D=0A=20questions@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20Best=20p rocedure=20for=20full=20backup=20of=20live=20system|References:=20 <560f92640910142042tc46f1e3lb81ac1e4528a44ab@mail.gmail.com>=09<20 091015143947.GB54613@gizmo.acns.msu.edu>=09<560f92640910151742h333 93131j9974c23db37602b8@mail.gmail.com>=20|In-Reply-To:=20|X-Enigmail-Version:=200.95.6|Content-Type: =20multipart/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha256=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3 D"application/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------------en ig80512CB93AC92F199384701F"; b=ItCK6h23WvFJTDeTy2JyP1/AhQZMkIvgZtzc3G8VbyvXKCP6smxLqqgEljrg3k6ia K5rO77s1dHJ08kUYKC3OzNy+EvVbdf3ptNZKL1x6Xm01c7+5w2/dCRtnjKx9+gZy96 OaIubM3uYb1TN9/KmXiQaP1LmWpt+68TPE0LIra0= X-Authentication-Warning: happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host localhost [IPv6:::1] claimed to be happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Message-ID: <4AD82317.40006@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:39:03 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090823) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warren Block References: <560f92640910142042tc46f1e3lb81ac1e4528a44ab@mail.gmail.com> <20091015143947.GB54613@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <560f92640910151742h33393131j9974c23db37602b8@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig80512CB93AC92F199384701F" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.2 at happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: Jerry McAllister , questions@freebsd.org, Nerius Landys Subject: Re: Best procedure for full backup of live system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 07:39:09 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig80512CB93AC92F199384701F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Warren Block wrote: >> Lastly, it says save all boot messages. Do they mean the output of >> dmesg? Why is this useful? >=20 > It would show what hardware was in the old machine and what services ar= e=20 > running on startup. Backup in general is making copies of information = > you won't need as long as you have a backup of it. The system already creates a copy of the first part of the system boot=20 output for you: /var/run/dmesg.boot -- this shows you what hardware the kernel discovered as it probed all of the buses and so forth. It doesn't= contain the rest of the output from all of the /etc/rc.d/* and /usr/local/etc/rc.d/* startup scripts. The simple way to capture all that is to enable console.log in /etc/syslo= g.conf -- you want to uncomment this line: console.info /var/log/console.log and make sure that /var/log/console.log exists, then restart syslog. Thi= s will log all console output, including the boot-up output. 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b=cTE2b0bUARWtENkfLrE5vM9BjKWEGyTtPLwHyZfpkQJp7XV42KamPBGwVgpVzoQfD BhVfCAWGQwVHGnqlXwqGm2O9qAJB+xqtvhNR8+6CS6p11VSI/wz1hhqv8nCxTeaPWM UOBtJXS1XmQakUrVIv6cqJXr1E87RwuaHRJdEhBg= X-Authentication-Warning: happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host localhost [IPv6:::1] claimed to be happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Message-ID: <4AD82945.2050503@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:05:25 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090823) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kikachi Kozumi References: <876d4ae10910151251g191a7a94g896fc57af54a6d72@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <876d4ae10910151251g191a7a94g896fc57af54a6d72@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig181B36626018F59167B7A716" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.2 at happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: phpMyAdmin install stopped in dependency 'libXau-1.0.4' X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:05:37 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig181B36626018F59167B7A716 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kikachi Kozumi wrote: > Hi, >=20 > I tried installing phpMyAdmin in an ezjail created jail already > installed with apache22, mysql and php5 running FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE > i386 with no X11 (headless). > The port install failed when dependency 'libXau-1.0.4' configure > couldn't find gnome-config: >=20 > ... > checking for XAU... gnome-config: not found > configure: error: Package requirements (xproto) were not met. > ... >=20 > I'm not sure if this issue is specific to my system or is it a ports > issue but I found that libXau-1.0.4 was in the ports tree since > January 2009 so it's less likely to be an issue with the port itself. >=20 > Right now I'm not sure if the required gnome-config is lost from my > system or was never there in the 1st place. What can I do to continue > with phpMyAdmin installation? >=20 > I'm also curious why the phpMyAdmin port requires libX11 libraries to > build while the phpMyAdmin website states that php, mysql and apache > are the requirements for running phpMyAdmin? phpMyAdmin only depends on X through one of the optional extensions: php5-gd. If you disable the GD and PDF options in the configuration dialogue you'll not need to install any X related dependencies. Or you can rebuild graphics/gd using 'WITHOUT_X11=3Dyes' if you want to be able to generate PDF of database schemas etc through phpMyAdmin. Hmmm... as far as I can tell, gnome-config is not a run-time dependency of phpMyAdmin even when compiled with all options enabled and with X11 support in the gd libraries. Either gnome-config is a build dependency from somewhere way down the dependency tree (ie. only needed to build=20 something, not needed to run it) or you've got a misplaced 'USE_GNOME' somewhere. In general, USE_FOO is for port maintainers only and shouldn'= t appear in /etc/make.conf or any other Makefile that gets generally includ= ed everywhere. Use WITH/WITHOUT_FOO in /etc/make.conf to indicate global preferences. (Gentoo we ain't) Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig181B36626018F59167B7A716 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.13 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREIAAYFAkrYKUwACgkQ8Mjk52CukIx36wCfS7KgnGNdSziiM6c4RYQMkwh2 oScAoIQT3nUmH3lkWVHmOKCuvYIx3Y2M =gSAh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig181B36626018F59167B7A716-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 08:14:29 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A34E106566C for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:14:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tokaev@hotmail.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s24.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s24.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.224]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 446988FC12 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:14:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BAY113-W18 ([65.54.168.118]) by bay0-omc3-s24.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 16 Oct 2009 01:14:29 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [83.220.167.2] From: Arkady Tokaev To: FreeBSD edvax.de Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:14:29 +0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20091015003803.f015b721.freebsd@edvax.de> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Oct 2009 08:14:29.0217 (UTC) FILETIME=[AEDA7D10:01CA4E38] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Subject: RE: Unknown devices X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:14:29 -0000 Fogot to ask. When I login as a root I see invitation sign "%"=2C not "#". = What it means? Arkady Tokaev From: tokaev@hotmail.com To: freebsd@edvax.de CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Unknown devices Date: Thu=2C 15 Oct 2009 16:15:58 +0400 Grate thanks!I had installed from 3 CD FreeBSD 7.2 with default (I hope) op= tions.I don't understand - why it occurs=2C but now I understand - where to= look.I think - I will reinstall the system=2C but if You have idea about t= his trouble - say me.Unfortunately I can not ask your last question because= I very novice in FreeBSD. I just followed the instruction for FreeBSD rout= er. =20 Once more thanks=2C Arkady Tokaev > Date: Thu=2C 15 Oct 2009 00:38:03 +0200 > From: freebsd@edvax.de > To: tokaev@hotmail.com > CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Unknown devices >=20 > On Wed=2C 14 Oct 2009 23:04:51 +0400=2C Arkady Tokaev wrote: > >=20 > > While I was trying to update ports I have received message > > about absence disk space.It's impossible=2C I thought.But df > > command said: >=20 > > $ df -h > > Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > > /dev/ad0s1a 23G 3.5G 18G 16% / > > devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev > > /dev/md0 9.4M 2.8M 6.5M 30% /etc > > /dev/md1 31M 16M 13M 55% /usr/local/etc > > /dev/md2 19M 18K 19M 0% /root > > /dev/md3 31M 6.1M 24M 20% /var > > $ > > What is the md devices?How I can remove them? >=20 > See "man md": The md devices refer to memory disks=2C RAM that > "emulates" a hard disk. >=20 > Sadly=2C I don't recognize a reason why your /etc=2C /usr/local/etc=2C > /root and /var subtrees are mounted onto memory disks... seems > that you're not running a default install=2C do you? >=20 > Regarding your initial problem - updating ports - this involves > writing operations in the ports directory (usually /usr/ports > which may be a subtree of /dev/ad0s1a on / in your setting) as > well as in /var=2C especially /var/db/pkg=2C the installed packages > database=2C and /var/ports. When /var is a memory disk with 30 MB=2C > it may be too small for such a process. Furthermore=2C if I see this > correctly=2C you're loosing the content of the package database > on reboot=3B is this intended? >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Polytropon > Magdeburg=2C Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe=2C Mousa=2C ... =20 =20 _________________________________________________________________ =BD=D5 =E5=DE=E2=D8=E2=D5=2C =E7=E2=DE=D1=EB =DA=E2=DE-=E2=DE =D7=DD=D0=DB= =2C =E7=E2=DE =D2=EB =D4=D5=DB=D0=DB=D8 =D2 =B8=DD=E2=D5=E0=DD=D5=E2=D5 =D2= =E7=D5=E0=D0? =B2=D0=DC =DD=E3=D6=D5=DD Internet Explorer 8. http://www.microsoft.ru/ie8= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 09:12:54 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F6E31065695 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:12:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f210.google.com (mail-fx0-f210.google.com [209.85.220.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFB468FC13 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:12:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm6 with SMTP id 6so2109406fxm.43 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:12:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=RRWlwm+CODMQGySKX3Q4vO8iC4EQRGeedW8s/PVj5mE=; b=NgTrLMzEvehZMeGTZ+zUKUiTI25b4L3fqoJtg7E92xM/YKeZU0LH+167PVN7fwsPzr rmTrM6HMM9yqsznpncYWbpNX1VaU+jGLVBrd6ptfVfQ2+Bc9vdjy2DTCFwyaoYQdJK97 /CdaORWHOBSQgL6D0ISyplovJyE0OnWBw6f9E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=vmDVyvDoGwQc3PO9DkglpCSWMhmTyrSJ/AjkPvUN913skjuTUorYy4nfTOsD5rLR97 vC51rPQ9MQu39euUvKpbUZWgHnhBnAdhA8BY2o9PB4+fA68SGT0kwbSodBrNAm9GCRZ7 1+bwr4DZ1x77xL5jIk+Z91z1Zlo3OSNTyswug= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.170.28 with SMTP id q28mr96851hbe.149.1255684372706; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:12:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <561577.18058.qm@web30808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <625479.91224.qm@web30806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20091015202204.acecc98b.freebsd@edvax.de> <561577.18058.qm@web30808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:12:52 +0100 Message-ID: From: krad To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?D=E1nielisz_L=E1szl=F3?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: torrentflux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:12:54 -0000 2009/10/15 D=E1nielisz L=E1szl=F3 > I found out that there is an httpd.conf problem, I fixed that but now I'm > thinking how to put php module in apache without reinstalling apache. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Polytropon > To: D=E1nielisz L=E1szl=F3 > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Sent: Thu, October 15, 2009 8:22:04 PM > Subject: Re: torrentflux > > On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:19:55 -0700 (PDT), D=E1nielisz L=E1szl=F3 < > laszlo_danielisz@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Ok, I know it sounds numb, but how can I actually start > > torrentflux on my freebsd machine? > > I haven't used this torrent client so far (ctorrent is my > choice at the moment), but according to > > > # pkg_info |grep torrent > > torrentflux-2.0.b1 A PHP based BitTorrent client that runs on a web > server > > it seems that you have to run a web server (I think locally), > e. g. Apache, and then connect to this server in order to > perform the actions with your client, such as entering > > http://127.0.0.1 > > in your web browser - this assumes that the web server is > running and the PHP script is properly installed. It's possible > that you need to connect to a specific port (e. g. ":631" after > the local IP). > > > > > ....but I can not find how to start it and torrentflux forum > > is down, do you have any idea? > > Doesn't torrentflux come with some documentation? Have a look > for it in /usr/local/share/doc where it should be. > > The packagin list in the port's directory mentions "install.txt", > maybe this file contains the information needed? > > Finally, does torrentflux.com (the homepage of the project) have > some information? > > > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > cd /usr/port/www/mod_php5 ; make install From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 09:13:11 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63892106574A for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:13:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reko.turja@liukuma.net) Received: from www.liukuma.net (www.liukuma.net [62.220.235.15]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BAB18FC1E for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:13:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by www.liukuma.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40BB91CC9A; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:13:07 +0300 (EEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at liukuma.net Received: from www.liukuma.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (www.liukuma.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id Co+c0-ArRsYG; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:13:05 +0300 (EEST) Received: from rivendell (a88-114-134-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi [88.114.134.146]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: ignatz@www.liukuma.net) by www.liukuma.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 51D7E1CC96; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:13:05 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <20F62A8C16E2485FBAA33EBE262ADA75@rivendell> From: "Reko Turja" To: "Paul Schmehl" , References: In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:13:12 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 Cc: Subject: Re: CMS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:13:11 -0000 > I manage a couple of FreeBSD servers for a friend. He's gotten all=20 > excited about content management and thinks that's the way to go.=20 > The system he's familiar with is Windows only. I've done a little=20 > research, but I'm wondering if anyone reading the list has=20 > experience with a CMS on FreeBSD - one that's in ports preferably. Due using Postgres, I've had experience on both Drupal and=20 Serendipity, both installed mostly from ports and seem to be updated=20 pretty regularly - although Serendipity can "self repair" - i.e. load=20 updates for plugins and itself automatically. Both have functioned=20 well enough, although with Drupal if you need more exotic array of=20 plugins, they have to be installed manually as ports seem to miss=20 several. In addition, some of the Drupal plugins need a bit of tweaking=20 (getting rid of mysqlisms) if used under Postgres, although the main=20 application works good enough. -Reko=20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 10:31:49 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F034106566C for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:31:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dhaneshkk@hotmail.com) Received: from snt0-omc2-s4.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc2-s4.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.79]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8C548FC0C for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:31:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from SNT111-W50 ([65.55.90.72]) by snt0-omc2-s4.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 16 Oct 2009 03:31:48 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [218.248.24.19] From: dhaneshk k To: , , Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:31:48 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20F62A8C16E2485FBAA33EBE262ADA75@rivendell> References: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Oct 2009 10:31:48.0233 (UTC) FILETIME=[DDB08F90:01CA4E4B] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: RE: CMS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:31:49 -0000 Hi=20 If I were you I use Plone CMS on FreeBSD. Its one among=20 the good CMSs available and doesn't require to configure a=20 DataBase separately. Zope server has its DB named as ZODB=2C you can use with any database with APIs and Security shows pretty good record. - dhanesh > From: reko.turja@liukuma.net > To: pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com=3B freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Date: Fri=2C 16 Oct 2009 12:13:12 +0300 > CC:=20 > Subject: Re: CMS >=20 > > I manage a couple of FreeBSD servers for a friend. He's gotten all=20 > > excited about content management and thinks that's the way to go.=20 > > The system he's familiar with is Windows only. I've done a little=20 > > research=2C but I'm wondering if anyone reading the list has=20 > > experience with a CMS on FreeBSD - one that's in ports preferably. >=20 > Due using Postgres=2C I've had experience on both Drupal and=20 > Serendipity=2C both installed mostly from ports and seem to be updated=20 > pretty regularly - although Serendipity can "self repair" - i.e. load=20 > updates for plugins and itself automatically. Both have functioned=20 > well enough=2C although with Drupal if you need more exotic array of=20 > plugins=2C they have to be installed manually as ports seem to miss=20 > several. >=20 > In addition=2C some of the Drupal plugins need a bit of tweaking=20 > (getting rid of mysqlisms) if used under Postgres=2C although the main=20 > application works good enough. >=20 > -Reko=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe=2C send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd= .org" =0A= _________________________________________________________________=0A= Great events make grand headlines =96 read them all on MSN India=0A= http://in.msn.com= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 11:45:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14B8B106566B for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:45:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from patfbsd@davenulle.org) Received: from smtp.lamaiziere.net (net.lamaiziere.net [91.121.44.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D007F8FC13 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:45:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from baby-jane.lamaiziere.net (121.158.192-77.rev.gaoland.net [77.192.158.121]) by smtp.lamaiziere.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 86587633321 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:45:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from baby-jane.lamaiziere.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by baby-jane.lamaiziere.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 728EFA745 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:45:40 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:45:39 +0200 From: Patrick Lamaiziere To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20091016134539.0a0424f8@baby-jane.lamaiziere.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.16.6; i386-portbld-freebsd8.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: "All in one" printer? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:45:43 -0000 Hello, I'm looking for an "all in one printer" (scanner + printer). Do you know some models well supported by our favorit OS (8.0) (and a cheep one of course)? Thanks, regards. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 11:47:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6B461065672 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:47:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sfourman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f171.google.com (mail-yx0-f171.google.com [209.85.210.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7517D8FC19 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:47:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxe1 with SMTP id 1so1774548yxe.3 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 04:47:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=EavUHI8qkwFrcbVD5TgPAN7DNhXl47tPPCm6/3Klxl8=; b=bdiA3maGhlhae3BYp+ncMBTWOkjHJiSuElEgv4W3wxxHPgh2cgLhLwoP9lIK+ycAJk rO2kAcctvQezU2FFV4jPUb7LVmMpS1icv+1HWOFuMuFOqDSGpzMPmFNfvtCMb7YmticI 1ZPGvoHDy2G7JueRJRY4lOQHqOhCHoWliKPuw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=OyyF0GyIkp+ElTSLoY91NMNTuGWVbrRzsLWB2Z21VYdwltX9x7/V3+aCkiw/2DweFV T+OfQYpzVLk5fXfpbYM3wJX9sxgw78lE2oUnCbTJwrbKodzKousWteAaP3UPFeAGmwXy V/mbBCHr/eTZtMxrD/RJRYQ1ZxHZgg+LHGvAM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.16.14 with SMTP id 14mr2504673ybp.246.1255693665652; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 04:47:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20091016134539.0a0424f8@baby-jane.lamaiziere.net> References: <20091016134539.0a0424f8@baby-jane.lamaiziere.net> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 06:47:45 -0500 Message-ID: <11167f520910160447u56fca96ev537bbc234abfa9a3@mail.gmail.com> From: "Sam Fourman Jr." To: Patrick Lamaiziere Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "All in one" printer? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:47:46 -0000 On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 6:45 AM, Patrick Lamaiziere wrote: > Hello, > > I'm looking for an "all in one printer" (scanner + printer). Do you > know some models well supported by our favorit OS (8.0) (and a cheep > one of course)? Brother has a few MFC7820N works for me (not network scanning) Sam Fourman Jr. Fourman Networks From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 11:55:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E856106566C for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:55:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Received: from ostracod.unsane.co.uk (unsane-pt.tunnel.tserv5.lon1.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f08:110::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84ADC8FC0A for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:55:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vhoffman.lon.namesco.net (150.117-84-212.staticip.namesco.net [212.84.117.150]) (authenticated bits=0) by ostracod.unsane.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9HCteBp027919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 17 Oct 2009 12:55:41 GMT (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Message-ID: <4AD85F30.7040509@unsane.co.uk> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:55:28 +0100 From: Vincent Hoffman User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Patrick Lamaiziere References: <20091016134539.0a0424f8@baby-jane.lamaiziere.net> In-Reply-To: <20091016134539.0a0424f8@baby-jane.lamaiziere.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "All in one" printer? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:55:33 -0000 Patrick Lamaiziere wrote: > Hello, > > I'm looking for an "all in one printer" (scanner + printer). Do you > know some models well supported by our favorit OS (8.0) (and a cheep > one of course)? > I've had 2 HP cheap printer/scanners that have both worked well using the hplip port with cups and sane. Off hand I cant remember model numbers but http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/supported_devices/index.html should list most if not all the ones it supports. Vince > Thanks, regards. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 12:03:21 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B70971065697 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:03:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from faust64@gmail.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.152]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44A0C8FC28 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:03:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 22so219042fge.13 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 05:03:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=KeTHvnvg7eASJuasf8BKu/5euBqUbIVkyoho6tKOEp0=; b=eXK0fyRE0QO2C/GXVW+AiVjMiUDH3sQBzMOYZhTuS4mHGOI8K4N8nb2/8h1HDGy1+r 5OpA13KmhasUshc5abjj5PEbzm6Zr4Vfw1HZubHFlDEZyoLAnccsbn0SHzI8fWXqoNfw l6A78I7wL4HzbtAXZDqv8FlvS9f69pMAtP3T8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=l4skip3sC1tcGGPSAlZKDfIeZ+Vtq5nR3yC/fhPgu7xpvyoenCMR3IYujlPtbOlnp1 5hDQ4ZgXGdnwRCX+J+fSGHSS4A/WIfoquZUAZVY+WfUpjmcqbDEDRx3cjH1bMKFNLHzC 3MJCA9mFWILd7mColbCHw6xwfiDSnUQuK/moo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.86.226.32 with SMTP id y32mr1090935fgg.77.1255694599885; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 05:03:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4AD85F30.7040509@unsane.co.uk> References: <20091016134539.0a0424f8@baby-jane.lamaiziere.net> <4AD85F30.7040509@unsane.co.uk> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Samuel_Mart=EDn_Moro?= Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:02:59 +0200 Message-ID: To: Vincent Hoffman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Patrick Lamaiziere , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "All in one" printer? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:03:21 -0000 HP printers are quite good indeed, and they've got cheap stuff. They provide softs & drivers for linux/unix users. Setup is easy. "What else?" Samuel Mart=EDn Moro CamTrace {EPITECH.} tek4 On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Vincent Hoffman wrote= : > Patrick Lamaiziere wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I'm looking for an "all in one printer" (scanner + printer). Do you > > know some models well supported by our favorit OS (8.0) (and a cheep > > one of course)? > > > > I've had 2 HP cheap printer/scanners that have both worked well using > the hplip port with cups and sane. Off hand I cant remember model > numbers but > http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/supported_devices/index.html should > list most if not all the ones it supports. > > > Vince > > Thanks, regards. > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 12:45:58 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 141C7106566B for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:45:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul.halliday@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f171.google.com (mail-yx0-f171.google.com [209.85.210.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3553C8FC13 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:45:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxe1 with SMTP id 1so1814515yxe.3 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 05:45:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=M2c1vpCANQGOvm1D/Pr2xbz7wIUWlegrHAS1BVbNQmM=; b=aNaiLP/DFVxzv9+zGlcNXq6iiXdaJ9qBBXZnlC12zTSZh2+APWBg082Zkc2nQ/acL6 RrnbWH3ecEnC2g2koZMrNyKuKWi/oGHiqTwKh4EWJZqHpfmmERBXSZnbjgg4MBSPdpgI CxziYv39dEdeId3EgOLRdutPOeBR2YlD44oag= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=ZHzSLpqOqFYpYpGN49CRgHcYkLFZeFUwdp/6wQPyRFkV+Gh4TpaMc6jrZdoNXUrXye hT/rSX1xco7Ql7jDjI9eojcgINhdOHv21RY1erSYM6+OtPfzdqQvFowP1H+3cGUjPecf 0ObTRlvfkpW9qmYFS3wdvSnFmx+Vf6zoeALUE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.175.7 with SMTP id x7mr2535961ybe.322.1255695925920; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 05:25:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:25:25 -0300 Message-ID: <2dab70a30910160525q3f30a170ufb54277ae484e016@mail.gmail.com> From: Paul Halliday To: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Subject: export PATH in script called via Cron. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:45:58 -0000 I have a script that I call via Cron. It wont work unless I include a path: #!/usr/local/bin/bash PATH="/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin" export $PATH which is fine and works. Out of curiosity though, why is it that if I call it from the cl like ./test.sh I get this error: ./test.sh: line 3: export: `/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin': not a valid identifier The script still works but it does drop that error. What does it mean? Thanks. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 12:52:21 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D671106566B for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:52:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mikel.king@olivent.com) Received: from mail.olivent.com (mail.olivent.com [75.99.82.91]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B40F8FC22 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:52:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.olivent.com (Kerio MailServer 6.7.2) (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher AES128-SHA (128 bits)); Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:52:17 -0400 References: Message-Id: <46D2A7C7-9823-45F6-8EEC-475F424566A3@olivent.com> From: Mikel King To: Paul Schmehl In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:51:23 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CMS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:52:21 -0000 On Oct 15, 2009, at 10:38 PM, Paul Schmehl wrote: > I manage a couple of FreeBSD servers for a friend. He's gotten all > excited about content management and thinks that's the way to go. > The system he's familiar with is Windows only. I've done a little > research, but I'm wondering if anyone reading the list has > experience with a CMS on FreeBSD - one that's in ports preferably. > > Pros? Cons? Any known security issues? > > Paul Schmehl, If it isn't already > obvious, my opinions are my own > and not those of my employer. > ****************************************** > WARNING: Check the headers before replying Paul, I've used both Wordpress and Drupal. Both are good and both are bad. Because both are PHP based, they are not dependent on the port maintainer, if you are comfortable with keeping things up to date yourself. Both have made huge strides in the last few months to improve their systems to require less work on the command line in regards to updating. I recommend that you test drive both systems and determine what you are comfortable with. Most canned themes are available in both systems. Regards, Mikel King CEO, Olivent Technologies Senior Editor, BSD News Network Columnist, BSD Magazine 6 Alpine Court, Medford, NY 11763 o: 631.627.3055 skype:mikel.king http://olivent.com http://bsdnews.net http://mikelking.com http://twitter.com/mikelking From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 12:58:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA6F3106568B for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:58:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f218.google.com (mail-ew0-f218.google.com [209.85.219.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FD4A8FC18 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:58:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy18 with SMTP id 18so1775915ewy.43 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 05:58:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=RL4awcsYH83Hp5JDpOYI7unfr6h6abgbGG7c3SMG3C0=; b=N0J/VTxkh9hxrKCS/3ib4Raq/Ch6gmG5xojSNool8ZvbciejsQCDkw1nc6SmnYJ3ej /TGvrf1WtgBEU94MtnJkWM0EpwcEO70bsCYeFMMnJq+yo0c3mI9egG+Dw5cp+uHxcF3O tJBQ0faJ1ifd9mi73qBeT0yOdDODAoVwb03Os= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=F8EkfLosrSAQnuRpW9p+W+vj8xyDyssz/RK5CXqfJyqHUGv2ziMYNqhBRbUv0UoLa1 dSYCl1iZVh6WLOFhD49IrJRpx9XkwaGJu4k81B7EkrTYKtPRLpKX3KtuzJvRemxVU5h+ wkenqWWsHC8E3atwVhvFf+oftZ0KDEszx9EL0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.183.30 with SMTP id s30mr110548hbg.171.1255697932152; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 05:58:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2dab70a30910160525q3f30a170ufb54277ae484e016@mail.gmail.com> References: <2dab70a30910160525q3f30a170ufb54277ae484e016@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:58:52 +0100 Message-ID: From: krad To: Paul Halliday Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: export PATH in script called via Cron. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:58:53 -0000 2009/10/16 Paul Halliday > I have a script that I call via Cron. > > It wont work unless I include a path: > > #!/usr/local/bin/bash > PATH="/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin" > export $PATH > > which is fine and works. Out of curiosity though, why is it that if I > call it from the cl like ./test.sh I get this error: > > ./test.sh: line 3: export: > `/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin': not a > valid identifier > > The script still works but it does drop that error. > > What does it mean? > > Thanks. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > drop the $ in front of path in the export line From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 14:14:20 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4737F1065672 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:14:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from dd12710.kasserver.com (dd12710.kasserver.com [85.13.134.233]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06B568FC3A for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:14:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from current.Sisis.de (cazador.sisis.de [193.31.11.193]) by dd12710.kasserver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2685B1867074F for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:14:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from guru@localhost) by current.Sisis.de (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n9GEEIBb004353 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:14:18 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: current.Sisis.de: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:14:17 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20091016141417.GA4328@current.Sisis.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT (i386) Subject: print the PKGNAME of a port X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:14:20 -0000 Hello, For the ports in /usr/ports is there a way to print the resulting PKGNAME of a given port, like: # cd /usr/ports/x11/kde3 # make name kde-3.5.10_2 # for this test above I just added the following lines at the end of the Makefile after the include line: .include name: @echo ${PKGNAME} I have had a look into bsd.port.mk but could not see anythink like the silly output (without making the port). Thanks matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ Vote NO to EU The Lisbon Treaty: http://www.no-means-no.eu From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 14:34:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C2E51065670 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:34:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C48F8FC08 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:34:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9GEY2Bg082763; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:34:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n9GEY2pP082760; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:34:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:34:02 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Nerius Landys In-Reply-To: <560f92640910160012k6877b82ah5899405418f7c0e7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <560f92640910142042tc46f1e3lb81ac1e4528a44ab@mail.gmail.com> <20091015143947.GB54613@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <560f92640910151742h33393131j9974c23db37602b8@mail.gmail.com> <560f92640910160012k6877b82ah5899405418f7c0e7@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-902635197-208905312-1255703642=:82691" X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.2 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:34:02 -0600 (MDT) Cc: Jerry McAllister , questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best procedure for full backup of live system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:34:03 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---902635197-208905312-1255703642=:82691 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Fri, 16 Oct 2009, Nerius Landys wrote: > Thanks again guys.  My final series of steps to take full backups: > > bsdlabel ad4s1 | ssh -p 22222 nlandys@localhost dd > of=/home/nlandys/backup/bsdlabel_ad4s1 > dmesg -a | ssh -p 22222 nlandys@localhost dd > of=/home/nlandys/backup/dmesg > dd if=/dev/ad4 bs=512 count=1 | ssh -p 22222 nlandys@localhost dd > of=/home/nlandys/backup/MBR > cat /etc/fstab | ssh -p 22222 nlandys@localhost dd > of=/home/nlandys/backup/fstab > dump -0Lan -f - / | gzip | ssh -p 22222 nlandys@localhost dd > of=/home/nlandys/backup/dump0-root.gz > dump -0Lan -f - /tmp | gzip | ssh -p 22222 nlandys@localhost dd > of=/home/nlandys/backup/dump0-tmp.gz > dump -0Lan -f - /var | gzip | ssh -p 22222 nlandys@localhost dd > of=/home/nlandys/backup/dump0-var.gz > dump -0Lan -f - /usr | gzip | ssh -p 22222 nlandys@localhost dd > of=/home/nlandys/backup/dump0-usr.gz > > ... where port 22222 on localhost is a pipe to my remote desktop with > the 500 GB harddrive. If I missed anything important please let me > know. The dump man page recommends always using -C with snapshot dumps. The Handbook has an example of dump over ssh that shows a couple of speed optimizations: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/backup-basics.html#AEN25817 gzip -2 and bluefish instead of 3des should be faster than the default. -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA ---902635197-208905312-1255703642=:82691-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 14:49:25 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47C0B1065676 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:49:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Joerg.Pulz@frm2.tum.de) Received: from mailhost.frm2.tum.de (mailhost.frm2.tum.de [129.187.179.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6E378FC1B for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:49:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (mailhost.frm2.tum.de [129.187.179.12]) by mailhost.frm2.tum.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9GEZ3fF097752; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:35:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jpulz@frm2.tum.de) X-Virus-Scanned: at mailhost.frm2.tum.de Received: from hades.admin.frm2 (hades.admin.frm2 [172.25.1.10]) by mailhost.frm2.tum.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9GEYao6097737 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:34:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jpulz@frm2.tum.de) Received: from hades.admin.frm2 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hades.admin.frm2 (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9GEYavb008805; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:34:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jpulz@frm2.tum.de) Received: (from jpulz@localhost) by hades.admin.frm2 (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) id n9GEYajo008804; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:34:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jpulz) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:34:33 +0200 (CEST) From: Joerg Pulz To: Matthias Apitz In-Reply-To: <20091016141417.GA4328@current.Sisis.de> Message-ID: References: <20091016141417.GA4328@current.Sisis.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.2 (mailhost.frm2.tum.de [129.187.179.12]); Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:34:36 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: print the PKGNAME of a port X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:49:25 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 16 Oct 2009, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > Hello, > > For the ports in /usr/ports is there a way to print the resulting > PKGNAME of a given port, like: > > # cd /usr/ports/x11/kde3 > # make name > kde-3.5.10_2 > # Try the following: # cd /usr/ports/x11/kde3 # make -V PKGNAME kde-3.5.10_2 # also read the manpage of make(1) for detailed information of the "-V" option. Kind regards Joerg - -- The beginning is the most important part of the work. -Plato -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFK2IR8SPOsGF+KA+MRAtgRAJ9roqjLIe0tRKOwf13CEd0xUtihBACgtqIr tvWxZBTXUE7mE73k/fCv/rU= =hARq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 14:54:05 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE6FE1065672 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:54:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B09798FC08 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:54:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id n9GErEYA059270; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:53:14 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id n9GErDHh059269; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:53:13 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:53:13 -0400 From: Jerry McAllister To: Nerius Landys Message-ID: <20091016145313.GC59094@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <560f92640910142042tc46f1e3lb81ac1e4528a44ab@mail.gmail.com> <20091015143947.GB54613@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <560f92640910151742h33393131j9974c23db37602b8@mail.gmail.com> <560f92640910160012k6877b82ah5899405418f7c0e7@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <560f92640910160012k6877b82ah5899405418f7c0e7@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: Jerry McAllister , questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best procedure for full backup of live system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:54:06 -0000 On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 12:12:56AM -0700, Nerius Landys wrote: You can do all this though it might be more than needed. Only the level 0 dumps are needed. > Thanks again guys.  My final series of steps to take full backups: > > bsdlabel ad4s1 | ssh -p 22222 nlandys@localhost dd > of=/home/nlandys/backup/bsdlabel_ad4s1 > dmesg -a | ssh -p 22222 nlandys@localhost dd > of=/home/nlandys/backup/dmesg > dd if=/dev/ad4 bs=512 count=1 | ssh -p 22222 nlandys@localhost dd > of=/home/nlandys/backup/MBR > cat /etc/fstab | ssh -p 22222 nlandys@localhost dd > of=/home/nlandys/backup/fstab > dump -0Lan -f - / | gzip | ssh -p 22222 nlandys@localhost dd > of=/home/nlandys/backup/dump0-root.gz > dump -0Lan -f - /tmp | gzip | ssh -p 22222 nlandys@localhost dd > of=/home/nlandys/backup/dump0-tmp.gz > dump -0Lan -f - /var | gzip | ssh -p 22222 nlandys@localhost dd > of=/home/nlandys/backup/dump0-var.gz > dump -0Lan -f - /usr | gzip | ssh -p 22222 nlandys@localhost dd > of=/home/nlandys/backup/dump0-usr.gz > > ... where port 22222 on localhost is a pipe to my remote desktop with > the 500 GB harddrive. If I missed anything important please let me > know. Are you clear about what you have to run on the other machine to receive the data and put it where you want? ////jerry From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 15:01:29 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22BFA106566B for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:01:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ajd36@kent.ac.uk) Received: from mx4.kent.ac.uk (mx4.kent.ac.uk [129.12.21.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0DD18FC0C for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:01:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 93-97-60-24.zone5.bethere.co.uk ([93.97.60.24] helo=adiamond.lan) by mx4.kent.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Myns9-0001s3-UM for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:33:40 +0100 From: Ashley Diamond Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:32:09 +0100 Message-Id: <710F40C3-342E-43E0-8F09-931AC18D76B9@kent.ac.uk> To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) X-UKC-SpamScore: / X-UKC-SpamCheck: NO, * -1.4 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP * 1.6 TVD_RCVD_IP TVD_RCVD_IP Cc: Subject: A new FreeBSD Project X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:01:29 -0000 Hello the FreeBSD team, I am attempting to start a new project/private business of which I am wiling to give a share in return for skills (mainly as I currently have nothing else to offer). At the core of the project will be a new FreeBSD distribution, therefore I need FreeBSD developers,kernel hackers, or anyone who can rip apart the OS and put it back together with part missing, and who are based in the UK. I believe this will be an exciting project, that at-least for the foreseeable future would be part time; in return for a proportion of the business. I would be extremely grateful if you could forward this to anyone who you think would benefit from this email, or anyone's contact details who you think could help my cause. Thank you, Ashley Diamond From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 15:47:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3CE6106566B for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:47:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A01ED8FC12 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:47:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-71-245.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.71.245]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ABB61E33D; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:47:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n9GFlqw9001475; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:47:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:47:52 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Warren Block Message-Id: <20091016174752.14724f2a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <560f92640910142042tc46f1e3lb81ac1e4528a44ab@mail.gmail.com> <20091015143947.GB54613@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <560f92640910151742h33393131j9974c23db37602b8@mail.gmail.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Jerry McAllister , questions@freebsd.org, Nerius Landys Subject: Re: Best procedure for full backup of live system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:47:56 -0000 On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:47:57 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wrote: > Just a general note: backup to a hard drive isn't bad, but it's not the > same as removable media. One failure can kill all of your backups... That's why it's often a good choice two have at least two hard disks (maybe external ones) for backup, so if one fails (which seems to be a problem of "modern" disks rather than older ones), there's still an intact backup on the other one (or on one of the others). > Backup in general is making copies of information > you won't need as long as you have a backup of it.a A wise summary. :-) > dump(8) doesn't do all sectors, just ones used by the filesystem. > > Also, dump doesn't cross filesystems. In a typical FreeBSD install, /, > /var, and /usr are separate filesystems. A dump of / won't get them all > at once. The dump utility is good when you want to work partition-wise. If you have a setting where everything goes into a big /, dumping it will get all data - from that partition. Slices and MBR are out of dump's scope. > > My server should boot fine with the FreeBSD CDROM (fixit), because it > > uses a subset of the GENERIC kernel device drivers. > > If you can, try that before an actual emergency. Furthermore, it's good to check backups regularly. A defective backup is NO backup. If data doesn't restore as intended (e. g. to a testing system), then...? A situation that many of you surely have come across, as I have: Operator: The hard disk crashed, we need to restore from backups. Customer: Of course I have backups! Here! Customer hands over three tapes. Operator starts restore with tape #1. Operator: First tape is through. Good. Next one. Computer displays rroor reading /dev/nsa0: Tape is defect, cannot read. Operator: Do you have other set of tapes? This #2 is defective. Customer: Yes! Tape #3! Operator: I need a working tape #2. Customer: BUT I *HAVE* BACKUPS!!! Testing the backups may take some time, I agree, but it's mostly worth it - it's worth as much as your data is to you. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 15:57:47 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 497891065747 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:57:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 096CF8FC14 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:57:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-71-245.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.71.245]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D0901E168; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:57:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n9GFvjTt001509; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:57:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:57:45 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Arkady Tokaev Message-Id: <20091016175745.b3332c70.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Unknown devices X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:57:47 -0000 On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:14:29 +0400, Arkady Tokaev wrote: > > Fogot to ask. When I login as a root I see invitation > sign "%", not "#". What it means? The prompt character shows if you are logged in as root or not. Most shells use $ or % for non-root, and # for root. Which shell are you using? % echo $SHELL If you're using the C shell, make sure there's no overriding setting in your /root/.cshrc that as something like set prompt = "%" in it - this would override the default # sign. The most convenient form is to use those two lines in /etc/csh.cshrc in order to make them available globally: set promptchars = "%#" set prompt = "%n@%m:%~%# " The first line contains the prompting character for non-root users first, for root next. The second line forms a comfortable C shell prompt, containing the user and the hostname, the current working directory and the prompt character (automatically depending on root or non-root). It looks like this: user@host:/the/current/path% _ or root@mysystem:~# _ The user's home directory is shown as ~ so that the directory element won't be too long. Keep in mind that if /root/.cshrc exists and contains different settings, it will override the global defaults. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 16:04:11 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B52FF106566B for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:04:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f210.google.com (mail-fx0-f210.google.com [209.85.220.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45A978FC15 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:04:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm6 with SMTP id 6so2513644fxm.43 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:04:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=x9zSStaO5nwz1qQKVmn41kUgr5nXxtPdKumX3aIuR8Q=; b=RLOcyWQWLzcGcwuYWHzzf0utQf0+oDT6Y8xiMWwxW5cSODouUhYjpmCPb+VjP76jYk 9htwmaGI6oGx0jnAW9D/mOC119n0ptG/6A8sSVxJbUdv8/Ov/insjUcUTEkK3NUjl2KJ xoD+TYkAXA1737Z9pPl7Ai5bYNnmm8UlDF9tw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=UmGFfkDR7YN3WzDNOu4zysBswcdsAuNmXI5QCJ/x6zPXp0DtwQIMFdT+jdZqJcpc9m /gtzycmWcqiFedi9pdnqaHROz6qWXhG78Z+dRjD5fG+A911ub9unTruHF5BbvNleId3r P0kiDoZd65JoTWYxTxxJUZNDWiHjA+W5bTDlo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.7.144 with SMTP id d16mr1377551bkd.209.1255709050259; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:04:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20091016134539.0a0424f8@baby-jane.lamaiziere.net> <4AD85F30.7040509@unsane.co.uk> From: Chris Rees Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:03:50 +0100 Message-ID: To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Samuel_Mart=EDn_Moro?= , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Subject: Re: "All in one" printer? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:04:11 -0000 2009/10/16 Samuel Mart=EDn Moro : > HP printers are quite good indeed, and they've got cheap stuff. > They provide softs & drivers for linux/unix users. > Setup is easy. > "What else?" > > > Samuel Mart=EDn Moro > CamTrace > {EPITECH.} tek4 > Please don't top post, it makes the conversation difficult to follow. What about Epson printers? They're usually fine with Gutenprint & CUPS, and my CX3650's scanner works fine. This is a change in 7.2 (I think) when suddenly they both started being detected, rather than only one (scanner or printer) being allowed to work at a time. Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 16:27:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3626F106566C for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:27:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from modulok@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pz0-f202.google.com (mail-pz0-f202.google.com [209.85.222.202]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D4598FC0C for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:27:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk40 with SMTP id 40so1783669pzk.7 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:27:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=UvL1uiBkU4rz2p5egHOgZh2kO/6GnG/BzoXzXmY5TUY=; b=RB2aTiHgXNaPenfYXjpAVT0JIwGyVp8WV74k7e1ua1PAyqX6eiTg87JW51OKwf0PFF 2DJ3lLlU432F8PLF2mcqsGFdbHuKNw0kabZ3ehO7KeCq+9mpQsTJcnU4Xp+ScF7dCrZz biwzGnaLwirUpkFvd19IKFVnxzjeXeczhGFQg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=flbFYea1mjIpwcS+x+hLBSt/Hj24flyhCiEtLnEKOGyrPbxjsn/mKt3r8+tbOwLuRu qKqSXk7vO9Db97IWlh7e8CJmbNVXWl9WS8mu/YLauagU7+80CQGWiqMMRyuGeSc+qesg 0iJY2rYxlWDxVfu28QnDunULqsBSt+1T6qsiU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.143.21.38 with SMTP id y38mr137113wfi.206.1255710432547; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:27:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:27:12 -0600 Message-ID: <64c038660910160927n172d08far27decc6d615f8cd@mail.gmail.com> From: Modulok To: Paul Schmehl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CMS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:27:13 -0000 On 10/15/09, Paul Schmehl wrote: > I manage a couple of FreeBSD servers for a friend. He's gotten all > excited about content management and thinks that's the way to go. The > system he's familiar with is Windows only. I've done a little research, > but I'm wondering if anyone reading the list has experience with a CMS on > FreeBSD - one that's in ports preferably. > > Pros? Cons? Any known security issues? If it's your server and you're the guy, (or your friends) needing "content management" abilities... a simple SSH connection cannot be beat. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 18:07:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61875106566C for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:07:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from af.gourmet@videotron.ca) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D5978FC13 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:07:23 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Received: from [192.168.0.51] ([96.21.103.185]) by VL-MO-MR005.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-4.01 (built Aug 3 2007; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KRM00DCVD0AVDF0@VL-MO-MR005.ip.videotron.ca> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:07:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <4AD8B65C.9020603@videotron.ca> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:07:24 -0400 From: PJ User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: GEOM label clarification X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:07:23 -0000 If I understand correctly from the manual, giving the labels their slice name (/dev/label/rootfs rather than /dev/ad4s1a) will assure that regardless of the disk, the boot will be from the disk being booted and not from another disk as happened to me recently - the fstab on disk ad4 was referncing ad12 so the boot was from ad12 rather than ad4. The handbook says: "By permanently labeling the partitions on the boot disk, the system should be able to continue to boot normally, even if the disk is moved to another controller or transferred to a different system. For this example, it is assumed that a single ATA disk is used, which is currently recognized by the system as ad0." If the disk is moved to another system, it may no longer be ad0... So will it still boot correctly? Or should the ufsid labels be used? Will both of these contortions work? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 18:21:31 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C763D106566B for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:21:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonicy@otenet.gr) Received: from aiolos.otenet.gr (aiolos.otenet.gr [83.235.67.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 386D08FC16 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:21:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pulstar.local (athedsl-4467958.home.otenet.gr [94.71.108.230]) by aiolos.otenet.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n9GILTGV026049; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:21:29 +0300 Message-ID: <4AD8B9A9.7030306@otenet.gr> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:21:29 +0300 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PJ References: <4AD8B65C.9020603@videotron.ca> In-Reply-To: <4AD8B65C.9020603@videotron.ca> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: GEOM label clarification X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:21:31 -0000 PJ wrote: > If I understand correctly from the manual, giving the labels their slice > name (/dev/label/rootfs rather than /dev/ad4s1a) will assure that > regardless of the disk, the boot will be from the disk being booted and > not from another disk as happened to me recently - the fstab on disk ad4 > was referncing ad12 so the boot was from ad12 rather than ad4. > The handbook says: > "By permanently labeling the partitions on the boot disk, the system > should be able to continue to boot normally, even if the disk is moved > to another controller or transferred to a different system. For this > example, it is assumed that a single ATA disk is used, which is > currently recognized by the system as ad0." > If the disk is moved to another system, it may no longer be ad0... So > will it still boot correctly? > > In short, yes. I do this routinely all the time. Assuming of course that the device is connected to a controller that FreeBSD recognizes. This should be a non-issue for standard ATA/SATA disks. > Or should the ufsid labels be used? > > The ufsid is also an option if you do not wish to create the labels yourself. The advantage of user-created labels is that they are not 'cryptic' like the ufsid ones and you may actually remember them :) > Will both of these contortions work? > Yes, both will do. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 18:52:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DCB61065672 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:52:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from patfbsd@davenulle.org) Received: from smtp.lamaiziere.net (net.lamaiziere.net [91.121.44.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32E868FC25 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:52:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from baby-jane.lamaiziere.net (121.158.192-77.rev.gaoland.net [77.192.158.121]) by smtp.lamaiziere.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 09CFB633321 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:52:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from baby-jane.lamaiziere.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by baby-jane.lamaiziere.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1E501428 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:52:48 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:52:47 +0200 From: Patrick Lamaiziere To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20091016205247.5bb4854b@baby-jane.lamaiziere.net> In-Reply-To: <20091016134539.0a0424f8@baby-jane.lamaiziere.net> References: <20091016134539.0a0424f8@baby-jane.lamaiziere.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.16.6; i386-portbld-freebsd8.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: "All in one" printer? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:52:48 -0000 Le Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:45:39 +0200, Patrick Lamaiziere a =E9crit : > I'm looking for an "all in one printer" (scanner + printer). Thanks guys, so I bought today a HP PhotoSmart C4680 "all in one". It mostly works fine (printing and scanning) out of the box. I ran into issues with the hplip tools (hp-setup, ...) because they use the user locale when connecting to cups (here ISO-8859-15). Cups rejects this. I have to set my locale to LC_ALL=3DC. It looks ok with this work-around. I'm able to use the hp-systray tool. Also I'm not able to start hpssd (hplip3) and it says nothing (no errors...)? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 18:59:05 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27902106568D for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:59:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=533e8548c=pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from ip-relay-001.utdallas.edu (ip-relay-001.utdallas.edu [129.110.20.111]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAB708FC18 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:59:04 +0000 (UTC) X-Group: RELAYLIST X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,574,1249275600"; d="scan'208";a="20112584" Received: from smtp3.utdallas.edu ([129.110.20.110]) by ip-relay-001.utdallas.edu with ESMTP; 16 Oct 2009 13:30:43 -0500 Received: from utd65257.utdallas.edu (utd65257.utdallas.edu [129.110.3.28]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp3.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6F79F4EF62; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:30:43 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:30:43 +0000 From: Paul Schmehl To: Modulok Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <64c038660910160927n172d08far27decc6d615f8cd@mail.gmail.com> References: <64c038660910160927n172d08far27decc6d615f8cd@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.6 (Linux/x86) X-Munged-Reply-To: Figure it out MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CMS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Paul Schmehl List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:59:05 -0000 --On Friday, October 16, 2009 11:27:12 -0500 Modulok wrote: > > On 10/15/09, Paul Schmehl wrote: >> I manage a couple of FreeBSD servers for a friend. He's gotten all >> excited about content management and thinks that's the way to go. The >> system he's familiar with is Windows only. I've done a little research, >> but I'm wondering if anyone reading the list has experience with a CMS on >> FreeBSD - one that's in ports preferably. >> >> Pros? Cons? Any known security issues? > > If it's your server and you're the guy, (or your friends) needing > "content management" abilities... a simple SSH connection cannot be > beat. But maybe that's not what you had in mind :p Yeah....I'm not the content guy. I'm the server admin. I'm also not the ower. The owner likes CMS products since he's now using one, and wants to install the one he uses on his server. But the one he uses is only for Windows. Thus the question. -- Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. ******************************************* "It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead." Thomas Jefferson From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 19:06:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 271DE106566B for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:06:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB7348FC1A for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:06:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-71-245.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.71.245]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 473ED1E1F6; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:06:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n9GJ67Gb001962; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:06:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:06:07 +0200 From: Polytropon To: James Phillips Message-Id: <20091016210607.d04d73e4.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <964767.64586.qm@web65507.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <20091016091305.19FFD1065751@hub.freebsd.org> <964767.64586.qm@web65507.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: usb key problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:06:10 -0000 On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:05:01 -0700 (PDT), James Phillips wrote: > To be fair, Windows XP supports the NTFS filesystem that is > very feature-rich. And prone to file system corruption, as well as not very performant speed-wise (which doesn't count in regards of backups). :-) > Although, I recall making a XP machine unbootable trying > to format removable media with NTFS because only the > installer woulds use that filesystem. The format utility > let me choose between Fat16 and FAt32 or something :P What a bug... erm, feature! :-) > A better tool, under both Windows (via Cygwin) and BSD, would be ntfsprogs. > > http://www.linux-ntfs.org/doku.php?id=ntfsmount Yes, FreeBSD let's you even mount NTFS volumes via smbfs, so you don't have to care for the file system used. This is because "Windows" does not support standard NFS out of the box. This way would be interesting if your machine that holds the backup files is a "Windows" PC. As far as I know, there's a fuse module (ntfs3g?) in the ports. But I have to admit that I've never tried it. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 19:12:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36E7E106568F for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:12:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aaflatooni@yahoo.com) Received: from web56206.mail.re3.yahoo.com (web56206.mail.re3.yahoo.com [216.252.110.215]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D2DDE8FC13 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:11:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 69197 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Oct 2009 19:11:59 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1255720319; bh=s8OatyLzrXTEsV+14Qjio9OW2PfqnErKDj5KKqWrKbY=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=iB1uYloc1ceOM+Wzf5/0nOJpBsBaiJ/Fdp7e3NQSUCTxjsntF1MeV9M8wBnElOK1XJ+04KgEPhv1ktA+oa+i4kKbJc+vFWjbml5XKIZJyzuUJX7N/x4b9hgyjgFQaka0lP4Rwz8Faa+4qgEvG+/IxmoIgMa3k2+izn+oyfjkcUQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=rjwgCMEdbjs7KGNShaZrZcaEh/x5ifJeiE+oEPbVDLxxCeyf/tDj9fQC4c8B8T8wShpD/RTyt4smAAPE806VAYkf5PkxvkaDMXzGY/GHy9qUWOylq0Cs8NfUIqZQ7MrG4n8NuJgm+tuXbZxL88KpcPL37xtEWydC7FBh7lWVgeA=; Message-ID: <99934.58817.qm@web56206.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: DAyYo0QVM1mOK6ATQbvwn90zs4.GzYPoUJKcoU671YhjUumtXYmFuS.OxO1FiYxq3fWzPNytZRV823UMTbIJFQK2erc4uhmU.J8QNlxh0xnVX2YS.fkdyxx8tIos8CozUw6FrEIOFCnYKO2uRHrss_k_v2eSna9BmJ.8WmF7.k.2crXAVplFHG3DwBeh5sH9Q0N4qA3OYryShj4_AF27PPcX0xRVQjCYtqPQ2YSHjItqJTLiaS.kIGZnH_RBH2InPokkta2zmpwd2Rol2Bi9PfF9wP_qODmWUF3OL8_rFa2CwRRxoNLLqh6SejxiohrAqkpFIPAfnWPLTb7XzWYxVx9.8DrbMkA0Brk1Q7lWPmlU2swzEyyl6S_U Received: from [67.204.12.34] by web56206.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:11:58 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/182.10 YahooMailWebService/0.7.361.3 References: <526808.11391.qm@web56207.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <4ACFB17A.1080400@infracaninophile.co.uk> <628151.64600.qm@web56204.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <4AD820FE.4050808@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:11:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Aflatoon Aflatooni To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <4AD820FE.4050808@infracaninophile.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Security blocking question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:12:00 -0000 > Aflatoon Aflatooni wrote:=0A> >>> Is there a way that I could configure t= he server so that if there are for =0A> >> example X attempts from an IP ad= dress then for the next Y hours all the SSH =0A> requests would be ignored = from that IP address? There are only a handful of =0A> people who have acce= ss to that server.=0A> >> =0A> >> Yes.=0A> >> =0A> >> In pf.conf:=0A> >> = =0A> >> table persist=0A> >> =0A> >> [...]=0A> >> =0A> >> block drop in log= quick on $ext_if from =0A> >> [...]=0A> >> =0A> >> pass in on $ext_if prot= o tcp=A0 =A0 =A0 \=0A> >>=A0 =A0 from any to $ext_if port ssh \=0A> >>=A0 = =A0 flags S/SA keep state=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 \=0A> >>=A0 =A0 (max-src-conn-rate= 3/30, overload flush global)=0A> >> =0A> >> plus you'll need to add a cron= job to clear old entries out of the =0A> ssh-bruteforce=0A> >> table after= a suitable amount of time has passed.=A0 Use expiretable to do=0A> >> that= .=A0 Note: in practice I've found that it's a *really good idea* to =0A> im= plement a SSH whitelist of addresses that will never be bruteforce blocked = =0A> like this -- it's very easy to lock yourself out even if everything yo= u're doing =0A> is entirely legitimate.=A0 Coding that is left as an exerci= se for the reader.=0A> >> =0A> > =0A> > What is the best way of testing the= PF rule? Is there a quick way to mimic a =0A> brute force? Is there a way = that I could review the content of the table through =0A> pfctl -s all=0A> = =0A> To test, you need access to a machine not in your whitelist from where= you=0A> can try ssh'ing into the protected machine several times in rapid = sequence.=0A> 3 times in 30s sounds quite fast, but it is actually not to h= ard to achieve=0A> accidentally, especially if you use tools like rsync ove= r SSH transport.=A0 You=0A> should have a login concurrently from some othe= r IP or on the console, otherwise=0A> you will lock yourself out.=0A> =0A> = To see what IPs have been added to the ssh-bruteforce table and when and wh= at=0A> traffic has been blocked:=0A> =0A> =A0 # pfctl -vv -t ssh-bruteforce= -T show=0A> =0A> To manually delete an IP from the ssh-bruteforce table:= =0A> =0A> =A0 # pfctl -t ssh-bruteforce -T delete 12.34.56.78=0A> =0A> As n= oted elsewhere in this thread, instead of using expiretable, you can run = =0A> this=0A> out of cron to expire addresses over a day old from the ssh-b= ruteforce =0A> blocklist:=0A> =0A> =A0 # pfctl -t ssh-bruteforce -T expire = 86400=0A> =0A> The pfctl(8) man page is pretty illuminating.=0A> =0A> =A0= =A0=A0 Cheers,=0A> =0A> =A0=A0=A0 Matthew=0A> =0A=0AThanks,=0AI have the fo= llowing in my pf.conf:=0A=0Aext_if=3D"bge0"=0A# Public Services --=A0 smtp,= http, pop3s=0AtcpPubServices =3D "{ 25, 80, 995 }"=0Aset timeout { interva= l 10, frag 30 }=0Aset timeout { tcp.first 120, tcp.opening 30, tcp.establis= hed 86400 }=0Aset timeout { tcp.closing 900, tcp.finwait 45, tcp.closed 90 = }=0Aset limit { states 10000, frags 5000 }=0A#set loginterface none=0Aset o= ptimization normal=0Aset block-policy drop=0A#set require-order yes=0A#set = fingerprints "/etc/pf.os"=0Aset skip on lo0=0A# Normalization: reassemble f= ragments and resolve or reduce traffic ambiguities.=0Ascrub in all=0A=0Apas= s out all=0Ablock in log all=0Atable { }=0Ablock in quick f= rom to any=0Apass in on $ext_if inet proto tcp from any to = any port $tcpPubServices flags S/SA synproxy state=0Apass in on $ext_if ine= t proto tcp from any to any port ssh modulate state (source-track rule max-= src-nodes 8 max-src-conn 8 max-src-conn-rate 3/60 overload = flush global)=0A=0A=0AAnd I have tried to make a lot of ssh connections to = the box and killing them with ctrl-c or bad-password but nothing gets added= to the table. There isn't anything in the log either. How would I go about= figuring out what is wrong?=0A=0AThanks=0A=0A=0A From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 19:15:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 406DD106568B for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:15:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from af.gourmet@videotron.ca) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15F258FC08 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:15:03 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Received: from [192.168.0.51] ([96.21.103.185]) by VL-MO-MR005.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-4.01 (built Aug 3 2007; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KRM000S9G4P3HE0@VL-MO-MR005.ip.videotron.ca> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:14:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <4AD8C62C.2060009@videotron.ca> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:14:52 -0400 From: PJ User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) To: Manolis Kiagias References: <4AD8B65C.9020603@videotron.ca> <4AD8B9A9.7030306@otenet.gr> In-reply-to: <4AD8B9A9.7030306@otenet.gr> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: GEOM label clarification X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:15:04 -0000 Manolis Kiagias wrote: > PJ wrote: > >> If I understand correctly from the manual, giving the labels their slice >> name (/dev/label/rootfs rather than /dev/ad4s1a) will assure that >> regardless of the disk, the boot will be from the disk being booted and >> not from another disk as happened to me recently - the fstab on disk ad4 >> was referncing ad12 so the boot was from ad12 rather than ad4. >> The handbook says: >> "By permanently labeling the partitions on the boot disk, the system >> should be able to continue to boot normally, even if the disk is moved >> to another controller or transferred to a different system. For this >> example, it is assumed that a single ATA disk is used, which is >> currently recognized by the system as ad0." >> If the disk is moved to another system, it may no longer be ad0... So >> will it still boot correctly? >> >> >> > > In short, yes. I do this routinely all the time. > Assuming of course that the device is connected to a controller that > FreeBSD recognizes. > This should be a non-issue for standard ATA/SATA disks. > > >> Or should the ufsid labels be used? >> >> >> > > The ufsid is also an option if you do not wish to create the labels > yourself. > The advantage of user-created labels is that they are not 'cryptic' like > the ufsid ones > and you may actually remember them :) > > >> Will both of these contortions work? >> >> > > Yes, both will do. > > Thanks for the reassurance. Now to start labelling. Uh.. I guess that means that if I label 1 disk and then clone it to several others, they wil all work from any system... Well, I guess I'll try it. Thanks again. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 19:15:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F39DD106568D for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:15:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.list@pixelhammer.com) Received: from smtp1.tls.net (smtp1.tls.net [65.124.104.104]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA3CC8FC0C for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:15:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 40706 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2009 19:15:04 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.2.3 ppid: 40660, pid: 40681, t: 4.4088s scanners: attach: 1.2.3 spam: 3.2.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on smtp1.tls.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=7.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,TVD_RCVD_IP autolearn=disabled version=3.2.1 Received: from 208-70-44-208.bb.hrtc.net (HELO ?192.168.1.46?) (ldg@tls.net@208.70.44.208) by ssl-smtp1.tls.net with ESMTPA; 16 Oct 2009 19:14:59 -0000 Message-ID: <4AD8C622.1020106@pixelhammer.com> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:14:42 -0400 From: DAve User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <64c038660910160927n172d08far27decc6d615f8cd@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: CMS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:15:06 -0000 Paul Schmehl wrote: > --On Friday, October 16, 2009 11:27:12 -0500 Modulok > wrote: > >> >> On 10/15/09, Paul Schmehl wrote: >>> I manage a couple of FreeBSD servers for a friend. He's gotten all >>> excited about content management and thinks that's the way to go. The >>> system he's familiar with is Windows only. I've done a little research, >>> but I'm wondering if anyone reading the list has experience with a >>> CMS on >>> FreeBSD - one that's in ports preferably. >>> >>> Pros? Cons? Any known security issues? >> >> If it's your server and you're the guy, (or your friends) needing >> "content management" abilities... a simple SSH connection cannot be >> beat. But maybe that's not what you had in mind :p > > Yeah....I'm not the content guy. I'm the server admin. I'm also not > the ower. The owner likes CMS products since he's now using one, and > wants to install the one he uses on his server. But the one he uses is > only for Windows. Thus the question. > It is my opinion that they (CMSs) are nearly to the point it will take a quadcore CPU and 4GB or memory to serve a single html page containing the words "Hello World". Code light, they are not. My experience with CMS such as Joomla, SurgarCRM, etc is that they are to crackers as a lone lightbulb in the forest is to bugs. - Keep them up to date. - Subscribe to, and be attentive to, their security mailings. - If you do not use a feature/module, remove it. - Do not under any circumstances install PhpMyAdmin. My logs show if a IP gets a hit on a CMS page, they immediately search for PhpMyAdmin next. If you must install it, install it on another machine or under a different domain. Then turn access on and off at the SQL server when needed. We have a few CMSs that I could not talk Sales out of, two have had problems. One was moved to it's on VPS because of issues. Best of luck. DAve -- "Posterity, you will know how much it cost the present generation to preserve your freedom. I hope you will make good use of it. If you do not, I shall repent in heaven that ever I took half the pains to preserve it." John Quincy Adams http://appleseedinfo.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 19:21:31 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D300106566C for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:21:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonicy@otenet.gr) Received: from aiolos.otenet.gr (aiolos.otenet.gr [83.235.67.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 060D28FC1F for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:21:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pulstar.local (athedsl-4467958.home.otenet.gr [94.71.108.230]) by aiolos.otenet.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n9GJLTiq014996; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:21:29 +0300 Message-ID: <4AD8C7B9.8030108@otenet.gr> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:21:29 +0300 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PJ References: <4AD8B65C.9020603@videotron.ca> <4AD8B9A9.7030306@otenet.gr> <4AD8C62C.2060009@videotron.ca> In-Reply-To: <4AD8C62C.2060009@videotron.ca> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: GEOM label clarification X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:21:31 -0000 PJ wrote: > Manolis Kiagias wrote: > >> PJ wrote: >> >> >>> If I understand correctly from the manual, giving the labels their slice >>> name (/dev/label/rootfs rather than /dev/ad4s1a) will assure that >>> regardless of the disk, the boot will be from the disk being booted and >>> not from another disk as happened to me recently - the fstab on disk ad4 >>> was referncing ad12 so the boot was from ad12 rather than ad4. >>> The handbook says: >>> "By permanently labeling the partitions on the boot disk, the system >>> should be able to continue to boot normally, even if the disk is moved >>> to another controller or transferred to a different system. For this >>> example, it is assumed that a single ATA disk is used, which is >>> currently recognized by the system as ad0." >>> If the disk is moved to another system, it may no longer be ad0... So >>> will it still boot correctly? >>> >>> >>> >>> >> In short, yes. I do this routinely all the time. >> Assuming of course that the device is connected to a controller that >> FreeBSD recognizes. >> This should be a non-issue for standard ATA/SATA disks. >> >> >> >>> Or should the ufsid labels be used? >>> >>> >>> >>> >> The ufsid is also an option if you do not wish to create the labels >> yourself. >> The advantage of user-created labels is that they are not 'cryptic' like >> the ufsid ones >> and you may actually remember them :) >> >> >> >>> Will both of these contortions work? >>> >>> >>> >> Yes, both will do. >> >> >> > Thanks for the reassurance. Now to start labelling. Uh.. I guess that > means that if I label 1 disk and then clone it to several others, they > wil all work from any system... Well, I guess I'll try it. Thanks again. > > > How are going to clone it? Will the clone also copy the labels? For example, if doing a dump / restore (which I often do) I recreate the partitions manually, newfs them, label them and then restore the contents. In many cases I use a live (Fixit) system for this. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 19:37:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB264106568D for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:37:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from af.gourmet@videotron.ca) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 929C78FC17 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:37:26 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Received: from [192.168.0.51] ([96.21.103.185]) by VL-MO-MR004.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-4.01 (built Aug 3 2007; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KRM004DJH6DMKC0@VL-MO-MR004.ip.videotron.ca> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:37:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <4AD8CB77.4080801@videotron.ca> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:37:27 -0400 From: PJ User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) To: Manolis Kiagias References: <4AD8B65C.9020603@videotron.ca> <4AD8B9A9.7030306@otenet.gr> <4AD8C62C.2060009@videotron.ca> <4AD8C7B9.8030108@otenet.gr> In-reply-to: <4AD8C7B9.8030108@otenet.gr> Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: GEOM label clarification X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:37:26 -0000 Manolis Kiagias wrote: > PJ wrote: > >> Manolis Kiagias wrote: >> >> >>> PJ wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> If I understand correctly from the manual, giving the labels their slice >>>> name (/dev/label/rootfs rather than /dev/ad4s1a) will assure that >>>> regardless of the disk, the boot will be from the disk being booted and >>>> not from another disk as happened to me recently - the fstab on disk ad4 >>>> was referncing ad12 so the boot was from ad12 rather than ad4. >>>> The handbook says: >>>> "By permanently labeling the partitions on the boot disk, the system >>>> should be able to continue to boot normally, even if the disk is moved >>>> to another controller or transferred to a different system. For this >>>> example, it is assumed that a single ATA disk is used, which is >>>> currently recognized by the system as ad0." >>>> If the disk is moved to another system, it may no longer be ad0... So >>>> will it still boot correctly? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> In short, yes. I do this routinely all the time. >>> Assuming of course that the device is connected to a controller that >>> FreeBSD recognizes. >>> This should be a non-issue for standard ATA/SATA disks. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Or should the ufsid labels be used? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> The ufsid is also an option if you do not wish to create the labels >>> yourself. >>> The advantage of user-created labels is that they are not 'cryptic' like >>> the ufsid ones >>> and you may actually remember them :) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Will both of these contortions work? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Yes, both will do. >>> >>> >>> >>> >> Thanks for the reassurance. Now to start labelling. Uh.. I guess that >> means that if I label 1 disk and then clone it to several others, they >> wil all work from any system... Well, I guess I'll try it. Thanks again. >> >> >> >> > How are going to clone it? Will the clone also copy the labels? > For example, if doing a dump / restore (which I often do) I recreate the > partitions manually, newfs them, label them and then restore the > contents. In many cases I use a live (Fixit) system for this. > I'm looking into that just now. I am playing with two disks... one is 80gb sata on USB... and the second is 250Gb sata on USB. I had tried to set them up with livefs but the 80Gb is all wrong... I usually set up 2Gb on /, 3Gb on swap, 2gb on /tmp, 2gb on /var and 50gb on /usr . But I just newfsd the partitions on the 80gb and found that the da0s1d was 50gb which doesn't make sense as I had set it for 2gb and d should have been /tmp, e = /var, f= usr and g=/home. That explains why I ran out of space when trying to restore to the disk. So now I'm going to try to redo the disk manually with fdisk, bsdlabel and newfs. We'll see... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 19:51:11 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5049106566C for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:51:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (gate6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 695178FC0A for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:51:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9GJp7TE062610; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:51:08 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk n9GJp7TE062610 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=200708; t=1255722668; bh=/n8f9/pPR3ulV7vSubB0XuKjq2MB1h6Ja3yObo7mM78=; 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charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Aflatoon Aflatooni wrote: > I have the following in my pf.conf: >=20 > ext_if=3D"bge0" > # Public Services -- smtp, http, pop3s > tcpPubServices =3D "{ 25, 80, 995 }" > set timeout { interval 10, frag 30 } > set timeout { tcp.first 120, tcp.opening 30, tcp.established 86400 } > set timeout { tcp.closing 900, tcp.finwait 45, tcp.closed 90 } > set limit { states 10000, frags 5000 } > #set loginterface none > set optimization normal > set block-policy drop > #set require-order yes > #set fingerprints "/etc/pf.os" > set skip on lo0 > # Normalization: reassemble fragments and resolve or reduce traffic amb= iguities. > scrub in all >=20 > pass out all > block in log all > table { } ^^^ this needs to be 'table persist' or the OS will delet= e it if it's empty. > block in quick from to any > pass in on $ext_if inet proto tcp from any to any port $tcpPubServices = flags S/SA synproxy state > pass in on $ext_if inet proto tcp from any to any port ssh modulate sta= te (source-track rule max-src-nodes 8 max-src-conn 8 max-src-conn-rate 3/= 60 overload flush global) >=20 >=20 > And I have tried to make a lot of ssh connections to the box and killin= g them with ctrl-c or bad-password but nothing gets added to the table. T= here isn't anything in the log either. How would I go about figuring out = what is wrong? Usually if you leave your machine connected to the internet, some awfully= helpful people in China or some other far off place will test it for you within a day or so... 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:24:21 -0000 Le Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:52:47 +0200, Patrick Lamaiziere a =E9crit : > Thanks guys, so I bought today a HP PhotoSmart C4680 "all in one". >=20 > It mostly works fine (printing and scanning) out of the box. Hmmm, in fact no. There are some problems on printing (missing part). From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 21:13:25 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 489F6106566C for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:13:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stevan-tiefert@kabelmail.de) Received: from smtpa1.mediabeam.com (smtpa1.mediabeam.com [194.25.41.13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC4B08FC2C for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:13:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r300-1 (balancer4.mediabeam.com [194.25.41.40]) by smtpa1.mediabeam.com (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n9GLDMxI011013 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:13:22 +0200 Received: from [88.134.61.105] (88-134-61-105-dynip.superkabel.de [88.134.61.105]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpa.mediabeam.com (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n9GLDMoV011009 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:13:22 +0200 From: Stevan Tiefert To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:13:21 +0200 Message-Id: <1255727601.4640.4.camel@x1-6-00-11-09-00-e4-00.search.b.superkabel.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.24.1.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: small question about tape-based dumps X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:13:25 -0000 Hello list, one example: If I have three partitions and I want to backup every day these partitions, will I need 21 tapes? I ask because it seems it is not possible to place more than one dump on one tape, isn't it? With regards Stevan Tiefert From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 21:23:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E6DC1065670 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:23:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from af.gourmet@videotron.ca) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA0878FC19 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:23:09 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Received: from [192.168.0.51] ([96.21.103.185]) by VL-MR-MR001.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KRM000H8IRP6I30@VL-MR-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:11:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <4AD8D387.3060101@videotron.ca> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:11:51 -0400 From: PJ User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) To: Manolis Kiagias References: <4AD8B65C.9020603@videotron.ca> <4AD8B9A9.7030306@otenet.gr> <4AD8C62C.2060009@videotron.ca> <4AD8C7B9.8030108@otenet.gr> In-reply-to: <4AD8C7B9.8030108@otenet.gr> Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: GEOM label clarification X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:23:10 -0000 NOW THIS SUCKS. SUM # glabel label rootfs/dev/ad12s1a glabel: Can't store metadata on /dev/ad12s1a: Operation not permitted This is direct from the manual.... what the "<$#*(@)! is going on? No identical post on web, but similar say to ignore: "it's harmless?" I so, why is it there? There seem to be quite a lot of these kinds of stumbling blocks that are just plalin annoying... Is this an annoyance or what for the above situation? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 21:38:25 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6888E106566B for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:38:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D7688FC19 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:38:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id n9GLbWNq061475; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:37:32 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id n9GLbW38061474; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:37:32 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:37:32 -0400 From: Jerry McAllister To: Stevan Tiefert Message-ID: <20091016213732.GA61433@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <1255727601.4640.4.camel@x1-6-00-11-09-00-e4-00.search.b.superkabel.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1255727601.4640.4.camel@x1-6-00-11-09-00-e4-00.search.b.superkabel.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: small question about tape-based dumps X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:38:25 -0000 On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:13:21PM +0200, Stevan Tiefert wrote: > Hello list, > > one example: If I have three partitions and I want to backup every day > these partitions, will I need 21 tapes? > > I ask because it seems it is not possible to place more than one dump on > one tape, isn't it? You can easily put more than one dump on a tape if there is room enough for them. Check out the mt(1) command. Something like mt fsf 1 will skip over the first dump file so you can write the second. mt fsf 2 will skip over two files, etc. That is dump files, not files within the dump. Each dump of a filesystem is one file. If you need to restore, it is just the same. The first dump is the first file. The second dump is reached by skipping 1 file with the mt command, etc. I actually rewind and skip between each dump of multiples made to the same tape. I also use the no-rewind device for the tape. So first dump is: dump 0af /dev/nsa0 / For second dump: mt -f /dev/nsa0 rewind mt -f /dev/nsa0 fsf 1 dump 0af /dev/nsa0 /usr third mt -f /dev/nsa0 rewind mt -f /dev/nsa0 fsf 2 dump 0af /dev/nsa0 /var etc. when all done mt -f /dev/nsa0 rewind mt -f /dev/nsa0 offline I have this all in a script that also writes an index file as the first file on the tape. Of course if you are doing a change dump the dump command is going to look more like: dump 1af /dev/nsa0 etc. ////jerry > > With regards > Stevan Tiefert > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 21:43:40 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A69B106568B for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:43:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonicy@otenet.gr) Received: from aiolos.otenet.gr (aiolos.otenet.gr [83.235.67.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC5608FC17 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:43:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pulstar.local (athedsl-4467958.home.otenet.gr [94.71.108.230]) by aiolos.otenet.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n9GLhbWY028570; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:43:38 +0300 Message-ID: <4AD8E909.2040804@otenet.gr> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:43:37 +0300 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PJ References: <4AD8B65C.9020603@videotron.ca> <4AD8B9A9.7030306@otenet.gr> <4AD8C62C.2060009@videotron.ca> <4AD8C7B9.8030108@otenet.gr> <4AD8D387.3060101@videotron.ca> In-Reply-To: <4AD8D387.3060101@videotron.ca> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: GEOM label clarification X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:43:40 -0000 PJ wrote: > NOW THIS SUCKS. > > SUM > > # glabel label rootfs/dev/ad12s1a > glabel: Can't store metadata on /dev/ad12s1a: Operation not permitted > > This is direct from the manual.... what the "<$#*(@)! is going on? > No identical post on web, but similar say to ignore: "it's harmless?" > > I so, why is it there? > > There seem to be quite a lot of these kinds of stumbling blocks that are > just plalin annoying... > > Is this an annoyance or what for the above situation? > > Is this your normal '/' filesystem, and is it mounted? If it is reboot your system and select 'single user mode' from the loader.menu Then use glabel in the single user mode prompt. This will not work if you just 'shutdown now', you have to reboot into single user mode. If it is not your real '/' at the moment, and it is not mounted, you should be able to do it. Booting from the fixit LiveCD will also work in any case. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 21:45:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82A3B1065676 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:45:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stevan-tiefert@kabelmail.de) Received: from smtpa1.mediabeam.com (smtpa1.mediabeam.com [194.25.41.13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 188C58FC08 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:45:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r300-1 (balancer4.mediabeam.com [194.25.41.40]) by smtpa1.mediabeam.com (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n9GLjtli016484; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:45:55 +0200 Received: from [88.134.61.105] (88-134-61-105-dynip.superkabel.de [88.134.61.105]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpa.mediabeam.com (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n9GLjstm016478; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:45:54 +0200 From: Stevan Tiefert To: Jerry McAllister In-Reply-To: <20091016213732.GA61433@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <1255727601.4640.4.camel@x1-6-00-11-09-00-e4-00.search.b.superkabel.de> <20091016213732.GA61433@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:45:53 +0200 Message-Id: <1255729553.4640.6.camel@x1-6-00-11-09-00-e4-00.search.b.superkabel.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.24.1.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: small question about tape-based dumps X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:45:56 -0000 Am Freitag, den 16.10.2009, 17:37 -0400 schrieb Jerry McAllister: > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:13:21PM +0200, Stevan Tiefert wrote: > > > Hello list, > > > > one example: If I have three partitions and I want to backup every day > > these partitions, will I need 21 tapes? > > > > I ask because it seems it is not possible to place more than one dump on > > one tape, isn't it? > > You can easily put more than one dump on a tape if there is > room enough for them. Check out the mt(1) command. > > Something like mt fsf 1 will skip over the first dump file > so you can write the second. mt fsf 2 will skip over two files, etc. > That is dump files, not files within the dump. Each dump of a > filesystem is one file. > > If you need to restore, it is just the same. The first dump is > the first file. The second dump is reached by skipping 1 file > with the mt command, etc. > > I actually rewind and skip between each dump of multiples made > to the same tape. I also use the no-rewind device for the tape. > > So first dump is: dump 0af /dev/nsa0 / > > For second dump: mt -f /dev/nsa0 rewind > mt -f /dev/nsa0 fsf 1 > dump 0af /dev/nsa0 /usr > > third mt -f /dev/nsa0 rewind > mt -f /dev/nsa0 fsf 2 > dump 0af /dev/nsa0 /var > > etc. > > when all done mt -f /dev/nsa0 rewind > mt -f /dev/nsa0 offline > > I have this all in a script that also writes an index file > as the first file on the tape. > > Of course if you are doing a change dump the dump command is > going to look more like: > > dump 1af /dev/nsa0 > etc. > > ////jerry > > > > > With regards > > Stevan Tiefert > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Hello Jerry, The world can be so easy!!! Thanks for this hint :-) With regards Stevan Tiefert From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 22:03:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCD82106566B for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:03:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from af.gourmet@videotron.ca) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 932888FC0A for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:03:55 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Received: from [192.168.0.51] ([96.21.103.185]) by VL-MH-MR002.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-4.01 (built Aug 3 2007; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KRM007I9NY5UD70@VL-MH-MR002.ip.videotron.ca> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:03:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <4AD8EDBF.9000903@videotron.ca> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:03:43 -0400 From: PJ User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) To: Manolis Kiagias References: <4AD8B65C.9020603@videotron.ca> <4AD8B9A9.7030306@otenet.gr> <4AD8C62C.2060009@videotron.ca> <4AD8C7B9.8030108@otenet.gr> <4AD8D387.3060101@videotron.ca> <4AD8E909.2040804@otenet.gr> In-reply-to: <4AD8E909.2040804@otenet.gr> Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: GEOM label clarification X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:03:55 -0000 Manolis Kiagias wrote: > PJ wrote: > >> NOW THIS SUCKS. >> >> SUM >> >> # glabel label rootfs/dev/ad12s1a >> glabel: Can't store metadata on /dev/ad12s1a: Operation not permitted >> >> This is direct from the manual.... what the "<$#*(@)! is going on? >> No identical post on web, but similar say to ignore: "it's harmless?" >> >> I so, why is it there? >> >> There seem to be quite a lot of these kinds of stumbling blocks that are >> just plalin annoying... >> >> Is this an annoyance or what for the above situation? >> >> >> > > Is this your normal '/' filesystem, and is it mounted? > If it is reboot your system and select 'single user mode' from the > loader.menu > Then use glabel in the single user mode prompt. > This will not work if you just 'shutdown now', you have to reboot into > single user mode. > > If it is not your real '/' at the moment, and it is not mounted, you > should be able to do it. > Booting from the fixit LiveCD will also work in any case. > > I appreciate your holding my hand as I will otherwise fall on my ass.... or off my donkey... whatever... I need a big stiff drink...it's been a heady week... I already tried, screwed up the fstab, fixed it and booted up just fine. Don't want to screw it up again. See my bithing in another post... you'll understand how reading the manuals and man pages can be depressing. Shit, shit, shit. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 22:15:47 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 675B2106566C for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:15:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from af.gourmet@videotron.ca) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EEFB8FC15 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:15:47 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Received: from [192.168.0.51] ([96.21.103.185]) by VL-MO-MR004.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-4.01 (built Aug 3 2007; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KRM007AYOIAUZ10@VL-MO-MR004.ip.videotron.ca> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <4AD8F094.4060309@videotron.ca> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:15:48 -0400 From: PJ User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) To: Polytropon References: <4AD79FE4.6010109@videotron.ca> <20091016012610.99efbf26.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AD7B8F0.20903@videotron.ca> <20091016021759.f478642a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-reply-to: <20091016021759.f478642a.freebsd@edvax.de> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: usb key problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:15:47 -0000 Polytropon wrote: > On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:06:08 -0400, PJ wrote: > >> Anyway, I found the solution on the web... couldn't belive it was that >> simple: just ignore the crap spewed out on the screen and just mount iit >> as you would any other disk. >> # mount -t msdosfs /dev/da0s1 /mnt >> and that's it >> > > Additionally, when you use mount_msdosfs, you can specify > masks (-m and -M) in order not to have +x attributes on all > the files; the MS-DOS file system on the stick could give > you unwanted results, for example if you have a .jpg file > on the stick and want to open it (with the default app for > .jpg file type), the system will try to execute it. > > > > >> Now to see how I can use it to restore stuff. :-D >> > > If you want to use the stick for FreeBSD operations, why not > give it a real file system (i. e. UFS) instead of some old > FAT? You can simply > > # newfs /dev/da0 > > and then access it in the standard way: > > # mount /dev/da0 /mnt > > See that file owner:group, permissions and flags are now > supported, and files that are not supposed to be executables > don't have +x attribute (as in opposite to FAT / msdosfs). > > You could even add an entry in /etc/fstab like this: > > /dev/da0s1 /media/stick msdosfs rw,noauto,noatime 0 0 > > or, for proper UFS: > > /dev/da0 /media/stick ufs rw,noauto,noatime 0 0 > > Keep in mind that when using device names, it's a matter of > in which sequence device are detected that result in the > corresponding device name (da0, da1 etc.); using labels is > the more elegant way here. > How do you mean, using labels; could you illustrate or clarify? for the above, I mean. I'm trying to set up labels for my normal systems with glabel and struggling... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 22:18:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1E621065765 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:18:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from af.gourmet@videotron.ca) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9614A8FC12 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:18:08 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Received: from [192.168.0.51] ([96.21.103.185]) by VL-MR-MR001.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KRM00G6NNIL92J0@VL-MR-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:54:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:54:23 -0400 From: PJ User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: I hate to bitch but bitch I must X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:18:10 -0000 Why is it that the manual pages, as thorough as they may be, are very, very confusing. Perhaps I am being too wary, but I find that too many instructions/examples are stumbling blocks to appreciation of the whole system: for instance, let's look at the instructions for changing disk labels with glabel or is it tunefs ? man glabel(8): for UFS the file system label is set with tunefs(8) . what happened to glabel? man tunefs(8) The *tunefs* utility cannot be run on an active file system. To change an active file system, it must be downgraded to read-only or unmounted. So, you have to run tunefs from an active file system to modify another disk? but from man tunefs: BUGS This utility should work on active file systems. What in hades does this mean--just above it says cannot be run on active file systems. ??? To change the root file system, the system must be rebooted after the file system is tuned. You can tune a file system, but you cannot tune a fish. How cute... And fish eat bugs. Seriously, now to the manual: To create a permanent label for a UFS2 file system without destroying any data, issue the following command: # tunefs -L /home/ /dev/da3 Oh? home is what? What does this have to do with the partitions? Here's from man glabel(8): EXAMPLES The following example shows how to set up a label for disk ``da2'', cre- ate a file system on it, and mount it: glabel label -v usr /dev/da2 newfs /dev/label/usr mount /dev/label/usr /usr [...] umount /usr glabel stop usr glabel unload The next example shows how to set up a label for a UFS file system: tunefs -L data /dev/da4s1a mount /dev/ufs/data /mnt/data Am I to understand that glabel is only for a new system? What's with the newfs... I'm trying to set labels on an system that is already set up. And, the glabel examle above is not for UFS file systems? Oh, that's for tunefs? So why are we even dealing with this glabel? from manual: # tunefs -L /home/ //dev/da3/ A label should now exist in /dev/ufs which may be added to /etc/fstab: /dev/ufs/home /home ufs rw 2 2 Why? Is this necessary? and somewhere I saw "tunefs -L volume /dev/da0s1a" or something like that. Does that mean that each partition should be tunefsd? Maybe the guys who programmed this stuff understand; I sure don't. I just want to be able to set the labels according to what they say can be done... so shy not have a clear and concise explanation? Do people who write this stuff ever read it? Tell me that its clear and simple and to the point... so far, I have been running back and forth between half a dozen web pages trying to understand what is going on... and doing things through a dense fog does not produce creative results! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 22:40:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A05EC106566C for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:40:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonicy@otenet.gr) Received: from aiolos.otenet.gr (aiolos.otenet.gr [83.235.67.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 292F98FC19 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:40:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pulstar.local (athedsl-4467958.home.otenet.gr [94.71.108.230]) by aiolos.otenet.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n9GMeHJJ012497; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:40:17 +0300 Message-ID: <4AD8F651.1000001@otenet.gr> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:40:17 +0300 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PJ References: <4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca> In-Reply-To: <4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:40:19 -0000 PJ wrote: > Why is it that the manual pages, as thorough as they may be, are very, > very confusing. > Perhaps I am being too wary, but I find that too many > instructions/examples are stumbling blocks to appreciation of the whole > system: > for instance, let's look at the instructions for changing disk labels > with glabel or is it tunefs ? > man glabel(8): > > for UFS the file system label is set with > tunefs(8) > . > what happened to glabel? > man tunefs(8) > The *tunefs* utility cannot be > run on an active file system. To change an active file system, it must > be downgraded to read-only or unmounted. > > So, you have to run tunefs from an active file system to modify another > disk? > but from man tunefs: > BUGS > This utility should work on active file systems. > What in hades does this mean--just above it says cannot be run on active > file systems. ??? > To change the root file > system, the system must be rebooted after the file system is tuned. > > You can tune a file system, but you cannot tune a fish. > How cute... And fish eat bugs. > > Seriously, now to the manual: > To create a permanent label for a UFS2 file system without destroying > any data, issue the following command: > # tunefs -L /home/ /dev/da3 > > Oh? home is what? What does this have to do with the partitions? > Here's from man glabel(8): > > EXAMPLES > The following example shows how to set up a label for disk ``da2'', cre- > ate a file system on it, and mount it: > glabel label -v usr /dev/da2 > newfs /dev/label/usr > mount /dev/label/usr /usr > [...] > umount /usr > glabel stop usr > glabel unload > > The next example shows how to set up a label for a UFS file system: > tunefs -L data /dev/da4s1a > mount /dev/ufs/data /mnt/data > > Am I to understand that glabel is only for a new system? What's with the > newfs... I'm trying to set labels on an system that is already set up. > And, the glabel examle above is not for UFS file systems? Oh, that's for > tunefs? > So why are we even dealing with this glabel? > > from manual: > # tunefs -L /home/ //dev/da3/ > A label should now exist in /dev/ufs which may be added to /etc/fstab: > /dev/ufs/home /home ufs rw 2 2 > > Why? Is this necessary? and somewhere I saw "tunefs -L volume > /dev/da0s1a" or something like that. Does that mean that each partition > should be tunefsd? Maybe the guys who programmed this stuff understand; > I sure don't. I just want to be able to set the labels according to what > they say can be done... so shy not have a clear and concise explanation? > > Relax. You are having a bad day, and you are topping it by trying to perform some stuff while you are not in the right state of mind. If you do insist on continuing with this, do the following: Make a list of your partitions - I'll assume a device name of /dev/ad1 for the disk. You should have: ad1s1a for root => Label this as rootfs ad1s1b for swap => Label this as swap ad1s1e for tmp => Label this as tmpfs ad1s1d for var => Label this as varfs ad1s1f for usr => Label this as usrfs If you are unsure of the device names, try ls /dev/ad* (or ls /dev/da* if you are using SCSI disks, which I think you are not) Now, reboot: shutdown -r now Press 4 and enter single user mode in the loader. In the single user mode prompt type: glabel label rootfs /dev/ad1s1a glabel label swap /dev/ad1s1b glabel label tmpfs /dev/ad1s1e glabel label varfs /dev/ad1s1d glabel label usrfs /dev/ad1s1f You should get no error messages from these. Type exit and continue to multiuser boot. Change /etc/fstab: change /dev/ad1s1a to /dev/label/rootfs /dev/ad1s1b to /dev/label/swap and so on. Reboot once again. Everything should work. > Do people who write this stuff ever read it? Tell me t Yes, we do. All the time actually. > hat its clear and > simple and to the point... so far, I have been running back and forth > between half a dozen web pages trying to understand what is going on... > and doing things through a dense fog does not produce creative results!___ > > You will have best results when trying with a clear mind. Also having a test system (or a VMware / Virtualbox machine) will help you learn and practice unknown procedures without the anxiety of breaking something on your production system. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 22:46:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B6D5106566C for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:46:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f210.google.com (mail-fx0-f210.google.com [209.85.220.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 248BF8FC12 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:46:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm6 with SMTP id 6so2904118fxm.43 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:46:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=BaWlNjHSlQKnffpYzsazIRennYClbXfzMH/Xhsy7OKE=; b=ZJxL3uZNpd5skMbRXafIz9vV6nN35oW0pwuvVHOdlsEEXsAsE7mxZGCwQ13jUKXsqV /bCV6ybbOZUSPBCumdjunbrgxi+1nueysK4F3A2lxU6Ze1LRZih+YrGcZpEGygR5YYGp +KD+QlnEOrsrmt6/G8jHIDQRGdlGsNnXCtX2I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=Xk20NIDYgFAV7NIUtR7O5a/73PMJk3JByjTZY5m+6qcjqRyeIO2rwakmmIlSnDJQOO /LL1tYLMJyPDtwla4lHWJmNxZ1Udgs+rLJbf1qrpK5Jv9JR8XLFWkPGhHo6peKiq4W4q bJoW5Rv9Y0rlfJIIROAIDpPEGVmIaC3OiQsLU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.138.13 with SMTP id n13mr213720hbn.9.1255733184736; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:46:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca> References: <4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:46:24 +0100 Message-ID: From: krad To: PJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:46:26 -0000 2009/10/16 PJ > Why is it that the manual pages, as thorough as they may be, are very, > very confusing. > Perhaps I am being too wary, but I find that too many > instructions/examples are stumbling blocks to appreciation of the whole > system: > for instance, let's look at the instructions for changing disk labels > with glabel or is it tunefs ? > man glabel(8): > > for UFS the file system label is set with > tunefs(8) > < > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=tunefs&sektion=8&apropos=0&manpath=FreeBSD+7.2-RELEASE > >. > what happened to glabel? > man tunefs(8) > The *tunefs* utility cannot be > run on an active file system. To change an active file system, it must > be downgraded to read-only or unmounted. > > So, you have to run tunefs from an active file system to modify another > disk? > but from man tunefs: > BUGS > This utility should work on active file systems. > What in hades does this mean--just above it says cannot be run on active > file systems. ??? > To change the root file > system, the system must be rebooted after the file system is tuned. > > You can tune a file system, but you cannot tune a fish. > How cute... And fish eat bugs. > > Seriously, now to the manual: > To create a permanent label for a UFS2 file system without destroying > any data, issue the following command: > # tunefs -L /home/ /dev/da3 > > Oh? home is what? What does this have to do with the partitions? > Here's from man glabel(8): > > EXAMPLES > The following example shows how to set up a label for disk ``da2'', cre- > ate a file system on it, and mount it: > glabel label -v usr /dev/da2 > newfs /dev/label/usr > mount /dev/label/usr /usr > [...] > umount /usr > glabel stop usr > glabel unload > > The next example shows how to set up a label for a UFS file system: > tunefs -L data /dev/da4s1a > mount /dev/ufs/data /mnt/data > > Am I to understand that glabel is only for a new system? What's with the > newfs... I'm trying to set labels on an system that is already set up. > And, the glabel examle above is not for UFS file systems? Oh, that's for > tunefs? > So why are we even dealing with this glabel? > > from manual: > # tunefs -L /home/ //dev/da3/ > A label should now exist in /dev/ufs which may be added to /etc/fstab: > /dev/ufs/home /home ufs rw 2 2 > > Why? Is this necessary? and somewhere I saw "tunefs -L volume > /dev/da0s1a" or something like that. Does that mean that each partition > should be tunefsd? Maybe the guys who programmed this stuff understand; > I sure don't. I just want to be able to set the labels according to what > they say can be done... so shy not have a clear and concise explanation? > > Do people who write this stuff ever read it? Tell me that its clear and > simple and to the point... so far, I have been running back and forth > between half a dozen web pages trying to understand what is going on... > and doing things through a dense fog does not produce creative results! > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > I think your in that zone before the penny drops. It happens to us all 8) Its quite simple if you are dealing with a new install add the label when you format the fs eg new -L somelabel somedev if the fs already exists unmount it (anoying I know) and then tunefs it eg tunefs -L somelabel somedev then in both cases mount it via the appropriate glabel dev in this case its ufs so the dev is /dev/ufs/somelabel I generally dont bother labeling devices like ads1 da0 etc as thete isnt much point I just stick the to the file systems. The exception is the swap partition eg glabel label -v swap /dev/da2p2 i then swapon the device /dev/label/swap note as there is not file system on this dev it takes the label subdir other fs like ntfs vfat take different subdirs From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 22:58:47 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2B01106568B for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:58:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B062F8FC12 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:58:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-71-245.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.71.245]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 172891E211; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:58:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n9GMwi1t002503; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:58:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:58:44 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Manolis Kiagias Message-Id: <20091017005844.77c28cc1.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4AD8E909.2040804@otenet.gr> References: <4AD8B65C.9020603@videotron.ca> <4AD8B9A9.7030306@otenet.gr> <4AD8C62C.2060009@videotron.ca> <4AD8C7B9.8030108@otenet.gr> <4AD8D387.3060101@videotron.ca> <4AD8E909.2040804@otenet.gr> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: PJ , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: GEOM label clarification X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:58:48 -0000 On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:43:37 +0300, Manolis Kiagias wrote: > Is this your normal '/' filesystem, and is it mounted? > If it is reboot your system and select 'single user mode' from the > loader.menu > Then use glabel in the single user mode prompt. > This will not work if you just 'shutdown now', you have to reboot into > single user mode. Isn't it sufficient to unmount any partitions and keep / in -o ro mode, and then perform the glabel command, which is obviously best done in single user mode? # shutdown now # umount /home /usr /var /tmp # mount -r / # glabel label rootfs /dev/ad0s1a # glabel label tmp /dev/ad0s1d # glabel label var /dev/ad0s1e # glabel label usr /dev/ad0s1f # glabel label home /dev/ad0s1g For example like this? -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 23:03:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16BDF106566C for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:03:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonicy@otenet.gr) Received: from aiolos.otenet.gr (aiolos.otenet.gr [83.235.67.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77BE98FC16 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:03:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pulstar.local (athedsl-4467958.home.otenet.gr [94.71.108.230]) by aiolos.otenet.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n9GN3NWW018787; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:03:23 +0300 Message-ID: <4AD8FBBB.5090507@otenet.gr> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:03:23 +0300 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon References: <4AD8B65C.9020603@videotron.ca> <4AD8B9A9.7030306@otenet.gr> <4AD8C62C.2060009@videotron.ca> <4AD8C7B9.8030108@otenet.gr> <4AD8D387.3060101@videotron.ca> <4AD8E909.2040804@otenet.gr> <20091017005844.77c28cc1.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20091017005844.77c28cc1.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: PJ , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: GEOM label clarification X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:03:26 -0000 Polytropon wrote: > On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:43:37 +0300, Manolis Kiagias wrote: > >> Is this your normal '/' filesystem, and is it mounted? >> If it is reboot your system and select 'single user mode' from the >> loader.menu >> Then use glabel in the single user mode prompt. >> This will not work if you just 'shutdown now', you have to reboot into >> single user mode. >> > > Isn't it sufficient to unmount any partitions and keep / > in -o ro mode, and then perform the glabel command, which > is obviously best done in single user mode? > > I had variable results on a few systems and feel it is safest to perform a clean single user mode boot. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 23:08:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CBBE106566B for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:08:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 249488FC48 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:07:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-71-245.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.71.245]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 245F01D937; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:07:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n9GN7w1w002564; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:07:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:07:58 +0200 From: Polytropon To: PJ Message-Id: <20091017010758.088b8b8c.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca> References: <4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:08:00 -0000 On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:54:23 -0400, PJ wrote: > Why is it that the manual pages, as thorough as they may be, are very, > very confusing. A common misunderstanding about manpages can be that they are often (wishfully?) seen as a tutorial or a howto. In fact, they are references. > Perhaps I am being too wary, but I find that too many > instructions/examples are stumbling blocks to appreciation of the whole > system: > for instance, let's look at the instructions for changing disk labels > with glabel or is it tunefs ? > man glabel(8): > > for UFS the file system label is set with > tunefs(8) > . > what happened to glabel? That's confusing... > man tunefs(8) > The *tunefs* utility cannot be > run on an active file system. To change an active file system, it must > be downgraded to read-only or unmounted. > > So, you have to run tunefs from an active file system to modify another > disk? No. "Active file system" refers to a file system that is mounted rw - the common method of using a file system. But in order to run a program from a file system, the file system can as well be mounted ro. This still allows running programs. A setting you'll often find is maintenance done in single user mode; here, / is mounted ro to give access to the basic programs in /bin and /sbin. All other partitions, including /usr, are not mounted. They don't need to be for having a fully functional system in maintenance mode. > but from man tunefs: > BUGS > This utility should work on active file systems. > What in hades does this mean--just above it says cannot be run on active > file systems. ??? It "should". This means: Don't try that. :-) My printer isn't printing! But it should. No, it is not printing! Yes, but it should. :-) > To change the root file > system, the system must be rebooted after the file system is tuned. > > You can tune a file system, but you cannot tune a fish. > How cute... And fish eat bugs. Nice you found this. :-) > Seriously, now to the manual: > To create a permanent label for a UFS2 file system without destroying > any data, issue the following command: > # tunefs -L /home/ /dev/da3 > > Oh? home is what? What does this have to do with the partitions? The volume name, according to the manual, is "/home/" now, isn't it? > from manual: > # tunefs -L /home/ //dev/da3/ I cannot find this in the tunefs manual in group 8... It seems that there are too many /s in it... > Do people who write this stuff ever read it? Tell me that its clear and > simple and to the point... so far, I have been running back and forth > between half a dozen web pages trying to understand what is going on... > and doing things through a dense fog does not produce creative results! Wow... I'm having problems now, too. Maybe I should re-read the manpages a few times... -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 23:11:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 198681065695 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:11:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from af.gourmet@videotron.ca) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4EFE8FC47 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:11:00 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Received: from [192.168.0.51] ([96.21.103.185]) by VL-MO-MR005.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-4.01 (built Aug 3 2007; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KRM008PDR27KN90@VL-MO-MR005.ip.videotron.ca> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:10:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <4AD8FD82.8050306@videotron.ca> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:10:58 -0400 From: PJ User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) To: Manolis Kiagias References: <4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca> <4AD8F651.1000001@otenet.gr> In-reply-to: <4AD8F651.1000001@otenet.gr> Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:11:01 -0000 Manolis Kiagias wrote: > PJ wrote: >> Why is it that the manual pages, as thorough as they may be, are very, >> very confusing. >> Perhaps I am being too wary, but I find that too many >> instructions/examples are stumbling blocks to appreciation of the whole >> system: >> for instance, let's look at the instructions for changing disk labels >> with glabel or is it tunefs ? >> man glabel(8): >> >> for UFS the file system label is set with >> tunefs(8) >> . >> what happened to glabel? >> man tunefs(8) >> The *tunefs* utility cannot be >> run on an active file system. To change an active file system, it must >> be downgraded to read-only or unmounted. >> >> So, you have to run tunefs from an active file system to modify another >> disk? >> but from man tunefs: >> BUGS >> This utility should work on active file systems. >> What in hades does this mean--just above it says cannot be run on active >> file systems. ??? >> To change the root file >> system, the system must be rebooted after the file system is tuned. >> >> You can tune a file system, but you cannot tune a fish. >> How cute... And fish eat bugs. >> >> Seriously, now to the manual: >> To create a permanent label for a UFS2 file system without destroying >> any data, issue the following command: >> # tunefs -L /home/ /dev/da3 >> >> Oh? home is what? What does this have to do with the partitions? >> Here's from man glabel(8): >> >> EXAMPLES >> The following example shows how to set up a label for disk ``da2'', cre- >> ate a file system on it, and mount it: >> glabel label -v usr /dev/da2 >> newfs /dev/label/usr >> mount /dev/label/usr /usr >> [...] >> umount /usr >> glabel stop usr >> glabel unload >> >> The next example shows how to set up a label for a UFS file system: >> tunefs -L data /dev/da4s1a >> mount /dev/ufs/data /mnt/data >> >> Am I to understand that glabel is only for a new system? What's with the >> newfs... I'm trying to set labels on an system that is already set up. >> And, the glabel examle above is not for UFS file systems? Oh, that's for >> tunefs? >> So why are we even dealing with this glabel? >> >> from manual: >> # tunefs -L /home/ //dev/da3/ >> A label should now exist in /dev/ufs which may be added to /etc/fstab: >> /dev/ufs/home /home ufs rw 2 2 >> >> Why? Is this necessary? and somewhere I saw "tunefs -L volume >> /dev/da0s1a" or something like that. Does that mean that each partition >> should be tunefsd? Maybe the guys who programmed this stuff understand; >> I sure don't. I just want to be able to set the labels according to what >> they say can be done... so shy not have a clear and concise explanation? >> >> > > Relax. You are having a bad day, and you are topping it by trying to > perform some stuff while you are not in the right state of mind. > > If you do insist on continuing with this, do the following: > Make a list of your partitions - I'll assume a device name of /dev/ad1 > for the disk. You should have: > > ad1s1a for root => Label this as rootfs > ad1s1b for swap => Label this as swap > ad1s1e for tmp => Label this as tmpfs > ad1s1d for var => Label this as varfs > ad1s1f for usr => Label this as usrfs > > If you are unsure of the device names, try ls /dev/ad* (or ls /dev/da* > if you are using SCSI disks, which I think you are not) > > Now, reboot: > shutdown -r now > Press 4 and enter single user mode in the loader. > In the single user mode prompt type: > > glabel label rootfs /dev/ad1s1a > glabel label swap /dev/ad1s1b > glabel label tmpfs /dev/ad1s1e > glabel label varfs /dev/ad1s1d > glabel label usrfs /dev/ad1s1f > > You should get no error messages from these. > Type exit and continue to multiuser boot. Ok, but that is exactly what I did. Exactly that and that is what is in the manual. And I can read and I did check and recheck my input for typos. But, I did get error messages! # glabel label rootfs/dev/ad12s1a glabel: Can't store metadata on /dev/ad12s1a: Operation not permitted and the message was the same for all partitions! So, you must wonder as I did why was I getting error messages. I looked on the web and there was nothing directly related to the errors.So what is going on? Since the web gurus were saying that the error messages were not important and to ignore them, I tried that and continued through with the boot and changed the fstab entries and rebooted and the boot failed. So I had to fix the fstab and fortunately I was able to boot ok... Something is warped here... and I hope it isn't my little brain. :-( > > Change /etc/fstab: > > change > > /dev/ad1s1a to /dev/label/rootfs > /dev/ad1s1b to /dev/label/swap > > and so on. > > Reboot once again. Everything should work. > >> Do people who write this stuff ever read it? Tell me t > > Yes, we do. All the time actually. > >> hat its clear and >> simple and to the point... so far, I have been running back and forth >> between half a dozen web pages trying to understand what is going on... >> and doing things through a dense fog does not produce creative >> results!___ >> >> > You will have best results when trying with a clear mind. > Also having a test system (or a VMware / Virtualbox machine) will help > you learn and practice unknown procedures without the anxiety of > breaking something on your production system. Manolis, my state of mind is quite clear... and I'm coping with everything quite allright... I'm not about to get mad at anyone or anything... but tell me, honestly, when you see the stuff I have described above? Woldn't that confuse anyone in their right mind? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 23:16:29 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7A391065672 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:16:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61F338FC12 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:16:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-71-245.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.71.245]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CB5124A08; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:16:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n9GNGRha002607; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:16:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:16:27 +0200 From: Polytropon To: PJ Message-Id: <20091017011627.60c4a53a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4AD8FD82.8050306@videotron.ca> References: <4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca> <4AD8F651.1000001@otenet.gr> <4AD8FD82.8050306@videotron.ca> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Manolis Kiagias , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:16:29 -0000 On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:10:58 -0400, PJ wrote: > Ok, but that is exactly what I did. Exactly that and that is what is in > the manual. And I can read and I did check and recheck my input for > typos. But, I did get error messages! > # glabel label rootfs/dev/ad12s1a Exactly? I think a whitespace (after rootfs) is missing. > glabel: Can't store metadata on /dev/ad12s1a: Operation not permitted > and the message was the same for all partitions! And you ran this command in single user mode with no partitions mounted, except / in ro mode? (You can use "mount -v" to check.) > Since the web gurus were saying that the error messages were not > important and to ignore them, [...] I cannot imagine this. It looks like an error message. Such as if "Cannto save file" wouldn't suggest you that the file has been successfully save, woult it? > [...] I tried that and continued through with > the boot and changed the fstab entries and rebooted and the boot failed. Of course. Obviously, the label has NOT being written, so the reference in /etc/fstab leads to failure. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 23:16:31 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D910B106566C for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:16:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from racerx@makeworld.com) Received: from omr17.networksolutionsemail.com (omr17.networksolutionsemail.com [205.178.146.67]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE9718FC0A for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:16:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.networksolutionsemail.com (ns-omr17.mgt.hosting.dc2.netsol.com [10.49.6.80]) by omr17.networksolutionsemail.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id n9GNGUWh002064 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:16:30 -0400 Received: (qmail 11802 invoked by uid 78); 16 Oct 2009 23:16:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chris.makeworld.com) (racerx@makeworld.com@71.113.147.228) by ns-omr17.lb.hosting.dc2.netsol.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2009 23:16:29 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:16:23 -0500 From: Chris To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20091016181623.0a189b01@chris.makeworld.com> In-Reply-To: <4AD8FD82.8050306@videotron.ca> References: <4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca> <4AD8F651.1000001@otenet.gr> <4AD8FD82.8050306@videotron.ca> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.16.6; i486-pc-linux-gnu) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:16:31 -0000 On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:10:58 -0400 PJ wrote: *** Snip*** > > You will have best results when trying with a clear mind. > > Also having a test system (or a VMware / Virtualbox machine) will > > help you learn and practice unknown procedures without the anxiety > > of breaking something on your production system. > Manolis, my state of mind is quite clear... and I'm coping with > everything quite allright... I'm not about to get mad at anyone or > anything... > but tell me, honestly, when you see the stuff I have described above? > Woldn't that confuse anyone in their right mind? ... try your left mind or even, wrong mind?! -- Best regards, Chris () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments "There's no place like 127.0.0.1" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 23:23:20 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3E22106566C for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:23:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonicy@otenet.gr) Received: from aiolos.otenet.gr (aiolos.otenet.gr [83.235.67.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 233A78FC26 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:23:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pulstar.local (athedsl-4467958.home.otenet.gr [94.71.108.230]) by aiolos.otenet.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n9GNNIor024783; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:23:18 +0300 Message-ID: <4AD90066.60606@otenet.gr> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:23:18 +0300 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PJ References: <4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca> <4AD8F651.1000001@otenet.gr> <4AD8FD82.8050306@videotron.ca> In-Reply-To: <4AD8FD82.8050306@videotron.ca> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:23:20 -0000 PJ wrote: > > Manolis, my state of mind is quite clear... and I'm coping with > everything quite allright... I'm not about to get mad at anyone or > anything... > but tell me, honestly, when you see the stuff I have described above? > Woldn't that confuse anyone in their right mind? > > I am sorry, but there is something here, either some mistake on your part or some other weird problem on your system I can not think of. I don't seem to remember glabel ever failing to store metadata, unless 1) The device is non-existing 2) The device is mounted. As a matter of fact, I did the glabel stuff on a machine a few hours ago. This was already fully installed, I rebooted single user and was done in less than 2 minutes. And yes, if you get a metadata error, it means nothing was done so you are *not* to go and change fstab! Could you please send us /etc/fstab and the results of ls /dev/ad* From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 23:27:41 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07617106566B for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:27:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from af.gourmet@videotron.ca) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D38E98FC1D for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:27:40 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Received: from [192.168.0.51] ([96.21.103.185]) by VL-MH-MR001.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-4.01 (built Aug 3 2007; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KRM005BKRU36X70@VL-MH-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:27:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <4AD9016E.20302@videotron.ca> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:27:42 -0400 From: PJ User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) To: Polytropon References: <4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca> <20091017010758.088b8b8c.freebsd@edvax.de> In-reply-to: <20091017010758.088b8b8c.freebsd@edvax.de> Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:27:41 -0000 Polytropon wrote: > On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:54:23 -0400, PJ wrote: > >> Why is it that the manual pages, as thorough as they may be, are very, >> very confusing. >> > > A common misunderstanding about manpages can be that they > are often (wishfully?) seen as a tutorial or a howto. In > fact, they are references. > > > > >> Perhaps I am being too wary, but I find that too many >> instructions/examples are stumbling blocks to appreciation of the whole >> system: >> for instance, let's look at the instructions for changing disk labels >> with glabel or is it tunefs ? >> man glabel(8): >> >> for UFS the file system label is set with >> tunefs(8) >> . >> what happened to glabel? >> > > That's confusing... > > > > >> man tunefs(8) >> The *tunefs* utility cannot be >> run on an active file system. To change an active file system, it must >> be downgraded to read-only or unmounted. >> >> So, you have to run tunefs from an active file system to modify another >> disk? >> > > No. "Active file system" refers to a file system that is mounted > rw - the common method of using a file system. But in order to run > a program from a file system, the file system can as well be mounted > ro. This still allows running programs. > > A setting you'll often find is maintenance done in single user > mode; here, / is mounted ro to give access to the basic programs > in /bin and /sbin. All other partitions, including /usr, are not > mounted. They don't need to be for having a fully functional > system in maintenance mode. > > > > >> but from man tunefs: >> BUGS >> This utility should work on active file systems. >> What in hades does this mean--just above it says cannot be run on active >> file systems. ??? >> > > It "should". This means: Don't try that. :-) > > My printer isn't printing! > But it should. > No, it is not printing! > Yes, but it should. > :-) > > Aha! Gotcha! Whoever wrote that has made an unintentionnal booboo. It is a subtle difference and is indicative that whoever wrote it is not a native english user... the meaning is clearly "should be executed, done, carried out, performed" - should work means it can be carried out - I think the author meant to say "should not be done" > > >> To change the root file >> system, the system must be rebooted after the file system is tuned. >> >> You can tune a file system, but you cannot tune a fish. >> How cute... And fish eat bugs. >> > > Nice you found this. :-) > > > > >> Seriously, now to the manual: >> To create a permanent label for a UFS2 file system without destroying >> any data, issue the following command: >> # tunefs -L /home/ /dev/da3 >> >> Oh? home is what? What does this have to do with the partitions? >> > > The volume name, according to the manual, is "/home/" now, > isn't it? > > > > >> from manual: >> # tunefs -L /home/ //dev/da3/ >> > > I cannot find this in the tunefs manual in group 8... It > seems that there are too many /s in it... > > typo, sorry > > >> Do people who write this stuff ever read it? Tell me that its clear and >> simple and to the point... so far, I have been running back and forth >> between half a dozen web pages trying to understand what is going on... >> and doing things through a dense fog does not produce creative results! >> > > Wow... I'm having problems now, too. Maybe I should re-read > the manpages a few times... > I agree that the manual is not intended as a tutorial... but then what is a manual but a source for a tutorial... ;-) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 23:31:57 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9FCA106566B for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:31:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from af.gourmet@videotron.ca) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B14CC8FC12 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:31:57 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Received: from [192.168.0.51] ([96.21.103.185]) by VL-MO-MR002.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-4.01 (built Aug 3 2007; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KRM00AJFS0RYOF0@VL-MO-MR002.ip.videotron.ca> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:31:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <4AD9025E.40404@videotron.ca> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:31:42 -0400 From: PJ User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) To: Manolis Kiagias References: <4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca> <4AD8F651.1000001@otenet.gr> <4AD8FD82.8050306@videotron.ca> <4AD90066.60606@otenet.gr> In-reply-to: <4AD90066.60606@otenet.gr> Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:31:57 -0000 Manolis Kiagias wrote: > PJ wrote: > >> Manolis, my state of mind is quite clear... and I'm coping with >> everything quite allright... I'm not about to get mad at anyone or >> anything... >> but tell me, honestly, when you see the stuff I have described above? >> Woldn't that confuse anyone in their right mind? >> >> >> > > I am sorry, but there is something here, either some mistake on your > part or some other weird problem on your system I can not think of. > > I don't seem to remember glabel ever failing to store metadata, unless > 1) The device is non-existing 2) The device is mounted. > As a matter of fact, I did the glabel stuff on a machine a few hours > ago. This was already fully installed, I rebooted single user and was > done in less than 2 minutes. > And yes, if you get a metadata error, it means nothing was done so you > are *not* to go and change fstab! > > Could you please send us /etc/fstab and the results of ls /dev/ad* > Shortly... have to reconfigure GAG. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 00:00:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B45E2106568B for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:00:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from smtp.ibctech.ca (v6.ibctech.ca [IPv6:2607:f118::b6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5457B8FC1C for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:00:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 88667 invoked by uid 89); 17 Oct 2009 00:01:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?IPv6:2607:f118::5?) (steve@ibctech.ca@2607:f118::5) by 2607:f118::b6 with ESMTPA; 17 Oct 2009 00:01:24 -0000 Message-ID: <4AD90946.4020204@ibctech.ca> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:01:10 -0400 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PJ References: <4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca> <20091017010758.088b8b8c.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AD9016E.20302@videotron.ca> In-Reply-To: <4AD9016E.20302@videotron.ca> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Polytropon , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:00:44 -0000 PJ wrote: > Polytropon wrote: >> On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:54:23 -0400, PJ wrote: >>> but from man tunefs: >>> BUGS >>> This utility should work on active file systems. >>> What in hades does this mean--just above it says cannot be run on active >>> file systems. ??? >>> >> It "should". This means: Don't try that. :-) >> >> My printer isn't printing! >> But it should. >> No, it is not printing! >> Yes, but it should. >> :-) >> >> > Aha! Gotcha! Whoever wrote that has made an unintentionnal booboo. It is > a subtle difference and is indicative that whoever wrote it is not a > native english user... the meaning is clearly "should be executed, done, > carried out, performed" - should work means it can be carried out - I > think the author meant to say "should not be done" If you feel that you've found a 'bug' within the manual/documentation of a piece of software or function, I highly recommend that you pass it by other users/developers ( as you've kind-of done here ), and then contact the person who is normally listed in the AUTHOR section of the man page after you get a consensus on whether the manual, the code or you have the bug :) If you believe the problem is an engish-linguistic one (and the man page is written in english), let the author know this. Provide the correct verbiage, and an explanation of what your words mean compared to theirs (remember, english may not be their first language). Also, take a look at RFC 2119 for the keyword 'SHOULD' and 'SHOULD NOT'. RFC 2119 is highly regarded as the authority for many keywords, and a quick reference of it may help when trying to explain to an author where you feel their documentation is incorrect (or lacking). Cheers, Steve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 00:04:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8235F106568B for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:04:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rjhjr0@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f218.google.com (mail-ew0-f218.google.com [209.85.219.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DDED8FC0A for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:04:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy18 with SMTP id 18so2327384ewy.43 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:04:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:cc:subject :message-id:mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=u2z6vuueVOkMsF7d4CU9IG+xt08P/2Xnhc/jZnqhd6c=; b=jl9E4tVc/jjEDKvONkY3ytz0oxEjC19w/Xz0T2LzwzRTTRMXTANy6BwCq1Y32Bbgk6 A93NMbH2dxjEGooMuWsLcCN41dpfXkhtNbL3nSwEiX8g1RceNFT9nqrzGzhzDHdXQBmO 4Z3OMtwOk+vICKmw9YJ6gH6+86zPR4CTuyXFI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; b=sUdbiH8ds1JO6UT6erbogdPUIjv6eMiTxryYmMw1DRU6ubo/j5M0i5HB7ytCopJEYK k7fqXstNxTqH9Avk5JpvGylByDuFpFtmIXsZgoBj0TF7YCoZymNSYSOgI7LsN2vTZkIh ANu56OIHHOMqaTWQc9LCoZzhWCs8HHKZGrpz4= Received: by 10.211.147.2 with SMTP id z2mr1693397ebn.17.1255737885151; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:04:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (ip98-163-115-74.dc.dc.cox.net [98.163.115.74]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm1583566eyh.1.2009.10.16.17.04.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:04:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:04:40 -0400 From: Bob Hall To: PJ Message-ID: <20091017000439.GA25910@stainmore> Mail-Followup-To: Bob Hall , PJ , Polytropon , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" References: <4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca> <20091017010758.088b8b8c.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AD9016E.20302@videotron.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4AD9016E.20302@videotron.ca> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: Polytropon , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:04:46 -0000 On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 07:27:42PM -0400, PJ wrote: > Polytropon wrote: > > On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:54:23 -0400, PJ wrote: > >> but from man tunefs: > >> BUGS > >> This utility should work on active file systems. > >> What in hades does this mean--just above it says cannot be run on active > >> file systems. ??? > >> > > > > It "should". This means: Don't try that. :-) > > > > My printer isn't printing! > > But it should. > > No, it is not printing! > > Yes, but it should. > > :-) > > > > > Aha! Gotcha! Whoever wrote that has made an unintentionnal booboo. It is > a subtle difference and is indicative that whoever wrote it is not a > native english user... the meaning is clearly "should be executed, done, > carried out, performed" - should work means it can be carried out - I > think the author meant to say "should not be done" I'm a native English speaker, and the manual makes perfect sense to me. It's very clear to me that since the statement is in the BUGS section, it means that the utility should, but doesn't. Since it follows a statement that the utility doesn't, the meaning is unambiguous. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 00:10:11 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28B8B1065694 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:10:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from smtp.ibctech.ca (v6.ibctech.ca [IPv6:2607:f118::b6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BC6238FC0C for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:10:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 88915 invoked by uid 89); 17 Oct 2009 00:10:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?IPv6:2607:f118::5?) (steve@ibctech.ca@2607:f118::5) by 2607:f118::b6 with ESMTPA; 17 Oct 2009 00:10:48 -0000 Message-ID: <4AD90B7A.9070408@ibctech.ca> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:10:34 -0400 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob Hall , PJ , Polytropon , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" References: <4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca> <20091017010758.088b8b8c.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AD9016E.20302@videotron.ca> <20091017000439.GA25910@stainmore> In-Reply-To: <20091017000439.GA25910@stainmore> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:10:11 -0000 Bob Hall wrote: > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 07:27:42PM -0400, PJ wrote: >> Polytropon wrote: >>> On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:54:23 -0400, PJ wrote: >>>> but from man tunefs: >>>> BUGS >>>> This utility should work on active file systems. >>>> What in hades does this mean--just above it says cannot be run on active >>>> file systems. ??? >>>> >>> It "should". This means: Don't try that. :-) >>> >>> My printer isn't printing! >>> But it should. >>> No, it is not printing! >>> Yes, but it should. >>> :-) >>> >>> >> Aha! Gotcha! Whoever wrote that has made an unintentionnal booboo. It is >> a subtle difference and is indicative that whoever wrote it is not a >> native english user... the meaning is clearly "should be executed, done, >> carried out, performed" - should work means it can be carried out - I >> think the author meant to say "should not be done" > > I'm a native English speaker, and the manual makes perfect sense to me. > It's very clear to me that since the statement is in the BUGS section, > it means that the utility should, but doesn't. Since it follows a > statement that the utility doesn't, the meaning is unambiguous. fwiw, upon first reading, I got the exact same impression about the writing under its context as Bob did. Steve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 01:00:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0CCC1065672 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:00:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from motoom@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr19.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr19.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.39]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 800DB8FC1A for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:00:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pasta.gandhi.xs4all.nl (gandhi.xs4all.nl [83.161.213.238]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-vbr19.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n9H103qB068585; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 03:00:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from motoom@xs4all.nl) From: Michiel Overtoom To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 03:00:01 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <4AD23C1C.8040300@daleco.biz> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200910170300.01339.motoom@xs4all.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Subject: Re: sysinstall colours X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:00:06 -0000 On Friday 16 October 2009, Randi Harper wrote: > Personally if I spent a lot of time on such a project, I'd be sure to have > the "is this going to make it into freebsd base?" conversation first. I think there's no doubt about it that 'sysinstall' will feature in the next FreeBSD too. It will! Keep up the good work! It's worth it. The sysinstall manual page makes two apocalyptical remarks about itself: 1. "This product is currently at the end of its life cycle and will eventually be replaced." 2. "This utility is a prototype which lasted several years past its expiration date and is greatly in need of death." These doomsayings are wrong. To date no serious contenders have surfaced and up until that time sysinstall does its job, underappreciated perhaps, but it does it reasonably well, and adequately. Now that it is back in the focus, we can look to a bright, evolutionary future for sysinstall. alexbestms@math.uni-muenster.de wrote: > personally if i spent a lot of time on such a project i'd be expecting it > to get integrated into the base system. if not i'd get rather upset and > would probably switch to linux or opensolaris. I wouldn't switch operating systems just because something in the installer bugged me. Some enhancements I made to OSS and were rejected by the maintainers also didn't make me abandon that software. Greetings, Michiel Overtoom, Software developer. -- "The ability of the OSS process to collect and harness the collective IQ of thousands of individuals across the Internet is simply amazing." - Vinod Valloppillil http://www.catb.org/~esr/halloween/halloween4.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 01:15:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4B35106568F for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:15:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from af.gourmet@videotron.ca) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC8248FC1A for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:15:19 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Received: from [192.168.0.51] ([96.21.103.185]) by VL-MH-MR001.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-4.01 (built Aug 3 2007; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KRM00AOKWTI9QC0@VL-MH-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:15:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <4AD91AA9.9040300@videotron.ca> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:15:21 -0400 From: PJ User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) To: Manolis Kiagias References: <4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca> <4AD8F651.1000001@otenet.gr> <4AD8FD82.8050306@videotron.ca> <4AD90066.60606@otenet.gr> In-reply-to: <4AD90066.60606@otenet.gr> Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:15:19 -0000 Manolis Kiagias wrote: > PJ wrote: > >> Manolis, my state of mind is quite clear... and I'm coping with >> everything quite allright... I'm not about to get mad at anyone or >> anything... >> but tell me, honestly, when you see the stuff I have described above? >> Woldn't that confuse anyone in their right mind? >> >> >> > > I am sorry, but there is something here, either some mistake on your > part or some other weird problem on your system I can not think of. > > I don't seem to remember glabel ever failing to store metadata, unless > 1) The device is non-existing 2) The device is mounted. > As a matter of fact, I did the glabel stuff on a machine a few hours > ago. This was already fully installed, I rebooted single user and was > done in less than 2 minutes. > And yes, if you get a metadata error, it means nothing was done so you > are *not* to go and change fstab! > > Could you please send us /etc/fstab and the results of ls /dev/ad* > > > it'll have to be later - tomorrow or monday... > I'm fighting with a stubborn disk from a broken raid0 array that prevents the system from booting.... another load or horsemanure! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 01:29:02 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B191D1065670 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:29:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from af.gourmet@videotron.ca) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8806A8FC37 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:29:02 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Received: from [192.168.0.51] ([96.21.103.185]) by VL-MR-MR002.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KRM002DLXGD2K51@VL-MR-MR002.ip.videotron.ca> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:29:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <4AD91DE0.3030701@videotron.ca> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:29:04 -0400 From: PJ User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) To: Steve Bertrand References: <4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca> <20091017010758.088b8b8c.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AD9016E.20302@videotron.ca> <4AD90946.4020204@ibctech.ca> In-reply-to: <4AD90946.4020204@ibctech.ca> Cc: Polytropon , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:29:02 -0000 Steve Bertrand wrote: > PJ wrote: > >> Polytropon wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:54:23 -0400, PJ wrote: >>> > > >>>> but from man tunefs: >>>> BUGS >>>> This utility should work on active file systems. >>>> What in hades does this mean--just above it says cannot be run on active >>>> file systems. ??? >>>> >>>> >>> It "should". This means: Don't try that. :-) >>> >>> My printer isn't printing! >>> But it should. >>> No, it is not printing! >>> Yes, but it should. >>> :-) >>> >>> >>> >> Aha! Gotcha! Whoever wrote that has made an unintentionnal booboo. It is >> a subtle difference and is indicative that whoever wrote it is not a >> native english user... the meaning is clearly "should be executed, done, >> carried out, performed" - should work means it can be carried out - I >> think the author meant to say "should not be done" >> > > If you feel that you've found a 'bug' within the manual/documentation of > a piece of software or function, I highly recommend that you pass it by > other users/developers ( as you've kind-of done here ), and then contact > the person who is normally listed in the AUTHOR section of the man page > after you get a consensus on whether the manual, the code or you have > the bug :) > > If you believe the problem is an engish-linguistic one (and the man page > is written in english), let the author know this. Provide the correct > verbiage, and an explanation of what your words mean compared to theirs > (remember, english may not be their first language). > > Also, take a look at RFC 2119 for the keyword 'SHOULD' and 'SHOULD NOT'. > RFC 2119 is highly regarded as the authority for many keywords, and a > quick reference of it may help when trying to explain to an author where > you feel their documentation is incorrect (or lacking). > > Cheers, > > Steve > > It is simple to understand Emglish but not so simple what was meant by whoever wrote it...I cannot correct something that I do not uderstand... come on, man, that should be easy to understand. I am afraid that with all the globalization people still do not understand that translations should be left to experts... an by that I mean the final version should always, and I mean always, be by a native speaking person. I speak english, french, italian, some spanish and german as well as latvian... but I would never attempt to translate into any language other than English... and then not without the help of the original language's originator. ;-) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 01:29:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D434106566C for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:29:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nealhogan@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f178.google.com (mail-yw0-f178.google.com [209.85.211.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54EF58FC56 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:29:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywh8 with SMTP id 8so2438270ywh.3 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:29:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=SAnhcXlGDlPJrdCbxsMdalWtZtdyc5XMmHyioRWBY+Q=; b=XwPxEEjgKxRzcaSBCCGid13j5oFC251EdKL5r2Zl6ggBD6i/HFLjiZd99tGcOgrAsT jKSFK73JWLx0d7YMEs9yoXoa9vWQusZlOAMc+QXLCawbHANyXzIuEqfubG5e6SRmheKV YKU48K2mtg5kAjUMQAqAvcDP9JEU5TPEQgOj4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=WwiGOt+XbBNBRrl9n2W2k2LO54rUiUt1mL3ZBzrkIrqQghxFek1WQ5BxqjRT6hNN9R UIIWSevHad68yqIccQ9Ytn0AM0umeZ+XDbzHbLd+qrDqrR1vKdo3tgbijR2LIl4YB/lh KpT2Dm11h6dnCjsdcC2C76737Z69jMCg3Adr8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.9.4 with SMTP id 4mr3873891ybi.343.1255742952798; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:29:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4AD90B7A.9070408@ibctech.ca> References: <4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca> <20091017010758.088b8b8c.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AD9016E.20302@videotron.ca> <20091017000439.GA25910@stainmore> <4AD90B7A.9070408@ibctech.ca> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:29:12 -0500 Message-ID: From: Neal Hogan To: Free BSD Questions list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:29:13 -0000 >>> Aha! Gotcha! Whoever wrote that has made an unintentionnal booboo. It i= s >>> a subtle difference and is indicative that whoever wrote it is not a >>> native english user... the meaning is clearly "should be executed, done= , >>> carried out, performed" - should work means it =A0can be carried out = =A0- I >>> think the author meant to say "should not be done" >> >> I'm a native English speaker, and the manual makes perfect sense to me. >> It's very clear to me that since the statement is in the BUGS section, >> it means that the utility should, but doesn't. Since it follows a >> statement that the utility doesn't, the meaning is unambiguous. > > fwiw, upon first reading, I got the exact same impression about the > writing under its context as Bob did. > Am I the only one annoyed by the monthly PJ soap-operas. It seems that we get a ridiculous installment from this guy who bites off more than he can chew and then complains that it's too big every full (or is it fool) moon (28 day cycle . . . sorry obvious,stupid joke). The patience he gets from folks on this list should be commended, but questioned. In what sense is the community benefited from the dramatic "life-story" of an ungrateful novice? This guy puts forth his problem(s) only to update the list at every small/backward step and then ultimately offer something offensive such that the devs can't speak English. He needs to work things out before blogging on freebsd-questions@. IMHO ;-) > Steve > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 01:42:39 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2809106566B for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:42:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from smtp.ibctech.ca (v6.ibctech.ca [IPv6:2607:f118::b6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1CC9B8FC0A for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:42:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 91162 invoked by uid 89); 17 Oct 2009 01:43:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?IPv6:2607:f118::5?) (steve@ibctech.ca@2607:f118::5) by 2607:f118::b6 with ESMTPA; 17 Oct 2009 01:43:18 -0000 Message-ID: <4AD92127.1040702@ibctech.ca> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:43:03 -0400 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PJ References: <4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca> <20091017010758.088b8b8c.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AD9016E.20302@videotron.ca> <4AD90946.4020204@ibctech.ca> <4AD91DE0.3030701@videotron.ca> In-Reply-To: <4AD91DE0.3030701@videotron.ca> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Polytropon , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:42:39 -0000 PJ wrote: > Steve Bertrand wrote: >> PJ wrote: >> >>> Polytropon wrote: >>> >>>> On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:54:23 -0400, PJ wrote: >>>> >> >>>>> but from man tunefs: >>>>> BUGS >>>>> This utility should work on active file systems. >>>>> What in hades does this mean--just above it says cannot be run on active >>>>> file systems. ??? >>>>> >>>>> >>>> It "should". This means: Don't try that. :-) >>>> >>>> My printer isn't printing! >>>> But it should. >>>> No, it is not printing! >>>> Yes, but it should. >>>> :-) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Aha! Gotcha! Whoever wrote that has made an unintentionnal booboo. It is >>> a subtle difference and is indicative that whoever wrote it is not a >>> native english user... the meaning is clearly "should be executed, done, >>> carried out, performed" - should work means it can be carried out - I >>> think the author meant to say "should not be done" >>> >> If you feel that you've found a 'bug' within the manual/documentation of >> a piece of software or function, I highly recommend that you pass it by >> other users/developers ( as you've kind-of done here ), and then contact >> the person who is normally listed in the AUTHOR section of the man page >> after you get a consensus on whether the manual, the code or you have >> the bug :) >> >> If you believe the problem is an engish-linguistic one (and the man page >> is written in english), let the author know this. Provide the correct >> verbiage, and an explanation of what your words mean compared to theirs >> (remember, english may not be their first language). >> >> Also, take a look at RFC 2119 for the keyword 'SHOULD' and 'SHOULD NOT'. >> RFC 2119 is highly regarded as the authority for many keywords, and a >> quick reference of it may help when trying to explain to an author where >> you feel their documentation is incorrect (or lacking). >> >> Cheers, >> >> Steve >> >> > It is simple to understand Emglish but not so simple what was meant by > whoever wrote it...I cannot correct something that I do not uderstand... > come on, man, that should be easy to understand. I understand that I'm confused :) > I am afraid that with all the globalization people still do not > understand that translations should be left to experts... an by that I > mean the final version should always, and I mean always, be by a native > speaking person. That's an unfair thing to say. Are you saying that if someone with a French native tongue wrote software that would benefit everyone, and they wrote the manual in English to reach a broader audience, that the manual shouldn't be released unless proof-read and re-written by an English native? Vous faire ce travail, mon ami? Je n'aime pas d'accord avec votre utilisation du mot doit. ...the manual is available. I didn't mean to dis-respect you, I just meant that if one 'could' help, then the developer is the one to hit up. > I speak english, french, italian, some spanish and german as well as > latvian... but I would never attempt to translate into any language > other than English... and then not without the help of the original > language's originator. ;-) Nice... How 'bout Dutch ;) You will understand then: Ne dis pas que la documentation ne peuvent etre ecrites par un auteur si leur lange nest pas une espece indigen. Steve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 02:00:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7408106566C for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:00:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from smtp.ibctech.ca (v6.ibctech.ca [IPv6:2607:f118::b6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 85EFA8FC14 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:00:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 91509 invoked by uid 89); 17 Oct 2009 02:00:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?IPv6:2607:f118::5?) (steve@ibctech.ca@2607:f118::5) by 2607:f118::b6 with ESMTPA; 17 Oct 2009 02:00:57 -0000 Message-ID: <4AD9254B.4000605@ibctech.ca> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:00:43 -0400 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Neal Hogan References: <4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca> <20091017010758.088b8b8c.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AD9016E.20302@videotron.ca> <20091017000439.GA25910@stainmore> <4AD90B7A.9070408@ibctech.ca> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Free BSD Questions list Subject: Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:00:17 -0000 Neal Hogan wrote: >>>> Aha! Gotcha! Whoever wrote that has made an unintentionnal booboo. It is >>>> a subtle difference and is indicative that whoever wrote it is not a >>>> native english user... the meaning is clearly "should be executed, done, >>>> carried out, performed" - should work means it can be carried out - I >>>> think the author meant to say "should not be done" >>> I'm a native English speaker, and the manual makes perfect sense to me. >>> It's very clear to me that since the statement is in the BUGS section, >>> it means that the utility should, but doesn't. Since it follows a >>> statement that the utility doesn't, the meaning is unambiguous. >> fwiw, upon first reading, I got the exact same impression about the >> writing under its context as Bob did. >> > > Am I the only one annoyed by the monthly PJ soap-operas. It seems that > we get a ridiculous installment from this guy who bites off more than > he can chew and then complains that it's too big every full (or is it > fool) moon (28 day cycle . . . sorry obvious,stupid joke). Hadn't really paid attention. > The patience he gets from folks on this list should be commended, but > questioned. In what sense is the community benefited from the dramatic > "life-story" of an ungrateful novice? This guy puts forth his > problem(s) only to update the list at every small/backward step and > then ultimately offer something offensive such that the devs can't > speak English. The benefit(s)? If there are other long-term members who agree with what you are getting at, then I'd say that the benefits are that it shows to newcomers that no matter what, you'll always receive a respectable and educated response. It also shows that it doesn't matter what the poster's name is, or what language they speak in, that those who love FreeBSD for what it is will always bleed their souls to help them out, at any cost. What is learned from hard work is better passed on to someone else. Mia casa e tua casa, as my best friend's father always says. (my house is your house). Steve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 02:22:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DFB9106566B for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:22:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nealhogan@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f218.google.com (mail-gx0-f218.google.com [209.85.217.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB48E8FC0A for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:22:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk10 with SMTP id 10so2419968gxk.3 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:22:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=TBQzk3eWIK3HywQJCyRSS90uhsW7QHgv2gOd5xYR0p4=; b=tsbwsC6r90XsA53Tfvp1fsFc5yX993Y77GvoRXyIjIA1ofFbhRWb4KkPIXDxig+QWh HRS7Sq+V/KFeGxbAM2HpdA2ErnzA4v0PSczvNTbcKKgfR93vN2K7BrP92xU1nvlWcR6e 2E9KkBhSiQUKIOV2O24Djwmli2f5WkTc4mAys= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=OOaGwlq94PAgMY4Yw4yLmCZN0cg2YsJ2UloB/ZuqCbQ0LcVi+uKb57ymvPEEVAGNlv pGC+1lJoY/hji5ZlF5XzRtq5qrOEfJMLLSJ3xrBbXT+FWfAkQa0ZNS9GpdkAInSKjPdx cPVgfKQP1jMAgErcCiSwORgvYUBOL8YgLDUqw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.115.21 with SMTP id n21mr4035145ybc.30.1255746152243; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:22:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4AD9221B.2060207@videotron.ca> References: <4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca> <20091017010758.088b8b8c.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AD9016E.20302@videotron.ca> <20091017000439.GA25910@stainmore> <4AD90B7A.9070408@ibctech.ca> <4AD9221B.2060207@videotron.ca> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:22:32 -0500 Message-ID: From: Neal Hogan To: PJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Free BSD Questions list Subject: Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:22:33 -0000 . >> >> He needs to work things out before blogging on >> freebsd-questions@. >> >> IMHO ;-) >> >> >>> Steve >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> > You are a pathetic example of the intolerant know-it all...not > worthbothering with Yet you did . . . and we continue the saga. fBSD, oBSD, etc. is not the problem, as you claim. You, my friend, have a tendency to jump into things and then complain when they do not go your way. The latest of which is to complain about the "language" in which the man pages were written . . . and you expect to be taken seriously. "I know English but it is sometimes difficult to understand." What?! Intolerance is something you can;t charge me of. I offerred my genuine help in the past. You chose to use that offer to bash an OS and come back to an OS that you (apparently) can't handle. You fail to see that it is your failings that let you down. &%#@*#^#%$ . . . does that make more sense? > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 02:24:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2AA81065670 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:24:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AA848FC13 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:24:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-71-245.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.71.245]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08E3C3C5AB; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 04:24:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n9H2OhhA004650; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 04:24:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 04:24:43 +0200 From: Polytropon To: PJ Message-Id: <20091017042443.dbc693c8.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4AD91DE0.3030701@videotron.ca> References: <4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca> <20091017010758.088b8b8c.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AD9016E.20302@videotron.ca> <4AD90946.4020204@ibctech.ca> <4AD91DE0.3030701@videotron.ca> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Polytropon , Steve Bertrand , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:24:46 -0000 On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:29:04 -0400, PJ wrote: > It is simple to understand Emglish but not so simple what was meant by > whoever wrote it...I cannot correct something that I do not uderstand... > come on, man, that should be easy to understand. As English is not my native language, I *now* understand the meaning of "it should"; in this case, it seems to mean something like "basically, it is supposed to, but in this case, it does not", regarding the desired action. > I am afraid that with all the globalization people still do not > understand that translations should be left to experts... an by that I > mean the final version should always, and I mean always, be by a native > speaking person. It's still possible that non-native speakers misunderstand. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 02:29:21 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4D191065670 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:29:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nealhogan@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f171.google.com (mail-yx0-f171.google.com [209.85.210.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DC058FC1A for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:29:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxe1 with SMTP id 1so2382243yxe.3 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:29:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=mm3IZnhEeLoBy3WfatfaKTnPyIAooJ27cKm5UUMY/lM=; b=vFgTFY+RZLhjLtcrwUp7BGtMlCfilNjf++a9R+tMZWimvP9nSf1hK4feBHWEgvrKW5 YIWJC64p4JjFwCiyrm0k7SMJ0pIOSXFzBksJ6TJ6LWpDhxakFk62iTZ89Dn4DPR2KumR z0wXShluL+B147UlJqEHyaGJfE8EfKvh6TrUo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=B0K5YgQqmdcgw42H67zb4YZlq2d1lEjN23OmPnDlKHGZbMsiH8eZ9YE1P/3ZcDPWDr tdEgiYmWtWV2fHIOctq35z6Le4XYg5Q68ZrdwQQpy627QRV0mFMiRpBJbgYHL4xroFcR wj/UBFnznBA82qcOpJPvRI10na9Qbt6o1C2gE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.1.18 with SMTP id 18mr4001579yba.98.1255746560979; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:29:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4AD9254B.4000605@ibctech.ca> References: <4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca> <20091017010758.088b8b8c.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AD9016E.20302@videotron.ca> <20091017000439.GA25910@stainmore> <4AD90B7A.9070408@ibctech.ca> <4AD9254B.4000605@ibctech.ca> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:29:20 -0500 Message-ID: From: Neal Hogan To: Steve Bertrand Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Free BSD Questions list Subject: Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:29:22 -0000 > > The benefit(s)? If there are other long-term members who agree with what > you are getting at, then I'd say that the benefits are that it shows to > newcomers that no matter what, you'll always receive a respectable and > educated response. > Does that really include taking seriously everything posted/asked/bitched about on the list? > It also shows that it doesn't matter what the poster's name is, or what > language they speak in, that those who love FreeBSD for what it is will > always bleed their souls to help them out, at any cost. What is learned > from hard work is better passed on to someone else. > Yes . . . sure. . . but many, many houses have been built and it seems reasonable to help those attempting to build something unique or somewhat untested, than those who like to spend time complaining about things that have been built and which they have not spent much time thinking about, but just jotted down a command from google search and is disappointed when it fails to satisfy. > Mia casa e tua casa, as my best friend's father always says. (my house > is your house). > > Steve > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 02:39:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 947A61065670 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:39:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25BAC8FC08 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:39:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so589105eyd.9 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:39:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=LOrbc+0dAkSyggOBxrxJwCvdDF2hs4e0EBbruneqVbQ=; b=jdsgnvUR1Y5UxP54d8/yRs7KMJDn/qtrJiCL/hDQpiezlPD4AiE5raqyH8pTbRBE03 zqCyqEiynQBmDTftCXEUP4FbaALYB9blDRhgAoXVxpe7nbad2pkIBaklamZzUg/XfWKM 6V8/wNqtrtPHEW/jYgqU1Np7RU1dlBqCpufKs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=MEX0CRqo15B8Mjc8e5DAuiQil0vP8+FHdZ9mf42I7jVNc3YRZN7uszH8P8PrmE/gTK 8c8YQO/YIXkRsMAyx+5J7LVlKi+XwLMXe6LE4CWxIWC4R95ABsrzXdw0fdLWebF8s2qB aZ2KSUt7+n6JTXO1HuRc+Wc/vVYf++skso2F8= Received: by 10.216.91.81 with SMTP id g59mr860259wef.128.1255747161846; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:39:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p10sm4009422gvf.14.2009.10.16.19.39.19 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:39:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 03:39:17 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20091017033917.6d7f04ee@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20091015003803.f015b721.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20091015003803.f015b721.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.16.6; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Unknown devices X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:39:23 -0000 On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 00:38:03 +0200 Polytropon wrote: > On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:04:51 +0400, Arkady Tokaev > wrote: > > > > While I was trying to update ports I have received message > > about absence disk space.It's impossible, I thought.But df > > command said: > > > $ df -h > > Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > > /dev/ad0s1a 23G 3.5G 18G 16% / > > devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev > > /dev/md0 9.4M 2.8M 6.5M 30% /etc > > /dev/md1 31M 16M 13M 55% /usr/local/etc > > /dev/md2 19M 18K 19M 0% /root > > /dev/md3 31M 6.1M 24M 20% /var > > $ > > What is the md devices?How I can remove them? > > See "man md": The md devices refer to memory disks, RAM that > "emulates" a hard disk. > > Sadly, I don't recognize a reason why your /etc, /usr/local/etc, > /root and /var subtrees are mounted onto memory disks... seems > that you're not running a default install, do you? I would imagine that they're vnode md devices that each have a file on the root filesystem as a backing store. I've never tried it myself but you could do this as an alternative to conventional partitioning. It's a little less efficient, but they can be resized. I'm not aware that sysinstall can install like this though - perhaps it's pc-bsd or something. There should lines like mdconfig_md0="..." defining the devices in rc.conf From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 02:43:27 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86343106566C for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:43:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f171.google.com (mail-yx0-f171.google.com [209.85.210.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42CF88FC0C for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:43:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxe1 with SMTP id 1so2387966yxe.3 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:43:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=cx/A6JzdjvuU+kEuaTH5AlNbUzxFhrtsW2uhiCDx4o4=; b=Ic+yM6ToWE3JaCSIWE8Pk1GuvUC17fKbyYB+gbgQBDMBr+DtLeUhDYAl2kry9PM52W lYBlqzA5lbiniw/Qc69tyMp8k8lpZVB5JfYjgkwk8u6uB6cSJwhGBK+8nOhaRRk5bgtZ ESN25CV0tMSmGwaglsAvq+fAdXo8tjgzhyN5U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=E6YmLxQEiLYwSBGugGKsLQLx870LdSw0LMulDM747DeDRJVIZOSCKHEV3zI+56E+Na dBIcHbYOtO2YfjlybskBiXJzBOf5fgNpH7KB5g4dfuOxjCo9u3l6iE+gBFRVmZXbAaqT QmsjFbQSw6ZD01MEcXwaJUHJZrHOPAMmGMIOk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.95.6 with SMTP id x6mr2790627anl.108.1255747406734; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:43:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20091016213732.GA61433@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <1255727601.4640.4.camel@x1-6-00-11-09-00-e4-00.search.b.superkabel.de> <20091016213732.GA61433@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:43:26 -0600 Message-ID: From: Tim Judd To: Jerry McAllister Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: small question about tape-based dumps X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:43:27 -0000 Replies inline On 10/16/09, Jerry McAllister wrote: > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:13:21PM +0200, Stevan Tiefert wrote: > >> Hello list, >> >> one example: If I have three partitions and I want to backup every day >> these partitions, will I need 21 tapes? >> >> I ask because it seems it is not possible to place more than one dump on >> one tape, isn't it? > > You can easily put more than one dump on a tape if there is > room enough for them. Check out the mt(1) command. > > Something like mt fsf 1 will skip over the first dump file > so you can write the second. mt fsf 2 will skip over two files, etc. > That is dump files, not files within the dump. Each dump of a > filesystem is one file. > > If you need to restore, it is just the same. The first dump is > the first file. The second dump is reached by skipping 1 file > with the mt command, etc. > > I actually rewind and skip between each dump of multiples made > to the same tape. I also use the no-rewind device for the tape. > > So first dump is: dump 0af /dev/nsa0 / I understand that this creates a dumpfile on nsa0, and as I understand tapes (which may be wrong, which I ask for clarification here).. To mark a end-of-file to be able to fast-forward/rewind, why can't you use: mt -f /dev/nsa0 weof It's description in mt(1) says it writes the end-of-file mark at current position > For second dump: mt -f /dev/nsa0 rewind > mt -f /dev/nsa0 fsf 1 > dump 0af /dev/nsa0 /usr So if we use weof, would the 2nd dump then be: dump 0af /dev/nsa0 /usr mt -f /dev/nsa0 weof > third mt -f /dev/nsa0 rewind > mt -f /dev/nsa0 fsf 2 > dump 0af /dev/nsa0 /var And 3rd: dump 0af /dev/nsa0 /var mt -f /dev/nsa0 weof > etc. > > when all done mt -f /dev/nsa0 rewind > mt -f /dev/nsa0 offline And I've never used offline, guess I'll start now. > I have this all in a script that also writes an index file > as the first file on the tape. > > Of course if you are doing a change dump the dump command is > going to look more like: > > dump 1af /dev/nsa0 > etc. > > ////jerry > >> >> With regards >> Stevan Tiefert Thanks for any input! --TJ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 02:51:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95281106566C for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:51:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kickbsd@ya.ru) Received: from forward4.yandex.ru (forward4.yandex.ru [77.88.46.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F0458FC0A for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:51:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from webmail17.yandex.ru (webmail17.yandex.ru [77.88.47.40]) by forward4.yandex.ru (Yandex) with ESMTP id A1B98268135 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 06:33:13 +0400 (MSD) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by webmail17.yandex.ru (Yandex) with ESMTP id 696C875AB0 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 06:33:13 +0400 (MSD) X-Yandex-Spam: 1 X-Yandex-Front: webmail17 X-Yandex-TimeMark: 1255746793 Received: from modemcable177.130-37-24.mc.videotron.ca (modemcable177.130-37-24.mc.videotron.ca [24.37.130.177]) by mail.yandex.ru with HTTP; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 06:33:13 +0400 From: kickbsd kickbsd To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <3091255746793@webmail17.yandex.ru> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 06:33:13 +0400 X-Mailer: Yamail [ http://yandex.ru ] 5.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain Subject: zfs and vfs.numvnodes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:51:33 -0000 Hi! I have a strange behavior on zfs filesystem. vfs.numvnodes tends to grow and when reach kern.maxvnodes no new files can be created or modified. System AMD64 8.0-RC1 FreeBSD 8.0-RC1 CVS from Oct 13 2009. I have increased kern.maxvnodes but vfs.numvnodes grows slowly. Any suggestions ? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 02:54:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72D291065672 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:54:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nealhogan@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f171.google.com (mail-yx0-f171.google.com [209.85.210.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D7B68FC0A for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:54:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxe1 with SMTP id 1so2392407yxe.3 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:54:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=9wHisXk8cx2zPgueShCaQvA2HnQfDj3ceweSRKKmdoI=; b=UkpapTdlMlua13vUP2NjbiRv5784IspsDTQZREqnoLKBlHgjA8niiyib810QrVRTF1 nsEok8Ek9qq0pWQyVRh3MCZPhzSnw99XaMVwLkrCRQP7oKK9UIdAxWOt4PzAyMV+VLyq FZdCdHVZPPoLcRUbqVQCiWH90lqQlsMaOywdo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=cNUx2vTZf9ynR8U2doaZRgKNHJ8c9JHLtecEkv/JnyFd3ngfx/QcidNVxLZgbFYgBw WLbHz7a/h2ulSVTcFS2Ed3nNFlBf/+GpDNkUUMCZNDCq4TXhalCa2yT5ARYRF/l0QfMS I6U33kVKjkeyc/4pJJonP2ZDQsXHwOCuQi6/4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.80.16 with SMTP id d16mr4084453ybb.0.1255748084645; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:54:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4AD91DE0.3030701@videotron.ca> References: <4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca> <20091017010758.088b8b8c.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AD9016E.20302@videotron.ca> <4AD90946.4020204@ibctech.ca> <4AD91DE0.3030701@videotron.ca> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:54:44 -0500 Message-ID: From: Neal Hogan To: PJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:54:45 -0000 > It is simple to understand Emglish but not so simple what was meant by > whoever wrote it...I cannot correct something that I do not uderstand... > come on, man, that should be easy to understand. > I am afraid that with all the globalization people still do not > understand that translations should be left to experts... an by that I > mean the final version should always, and I mean always, be by a native > speaking person. > I speak english, french, italian, some spanish and german as well as > latvian... but I would never attempt to translate into any language > other than English... and then not without the help of the original > language's originator. ;-) PJ, you certainly sound like a scholar . . . you "speak" many languages and have a strict translation policy, yet (given those two points) it doesn't follow you have any idea how to use any of those languages. You prefer drama and at some point we're going to realize that there is no wolf? KISS! (google for translation). > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 02:59:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05A2F106566C for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:59:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B70218FC19 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:59:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9H2xIFT085012; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:59:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n9H2xI7q085009; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:59:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:59:18 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Bob Hall In-Reply-To: <20091017000439.GA25910@stainmore> Message-ID: References: <4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca> <20091017010758.088b8b8c.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AD9016E.20302@videotron.ca> <20091017000439.GA25910@stainmore> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.2 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:59:18 -0600 (MDT) Cc: PJ , Polytropon , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:59:22 -0000 On Fri, 16 Oct 2009, Bob Hall wrote: > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 07:27:42PM -0400, PJ wrote: >>>> BUGS >>>> This utility should work on active file systems. > > I'm a native English speaker, and the manual makes perfect sense to me. > It's very clear to me that since the statement is in the BUGS section, > it means that the utility should, but doesn't. Since it follows a > statement that the utility doesn't, the meaning is unambiguous. I understand it, but see ambiguity in the word "should". Easy enough to rewrite: BUGS This utility does not work on active file systems. Now here's my challenge to PJ: use send-pr(1) or the web PR interface at http://www.freebsd.org/send-pr.html to submit this as a doc bug report. That's how FreeBSD gets better, and how you help the next person in the same situation. -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 03:01:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C03B106568D for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 03:01:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=8wEQXRgj=GG=asarian-host.net=admin@asarian-host.net) Received: from mail.asarian-host.net (mail.asarian-host.net [194.109.160.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 002E68FC25 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 03:01:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from queuerun.asarian-host.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.asarian-host.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9H311Wb077680 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 05:01:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from admin@asarian-host.net) DomainKey-Signature: q=dns; a=rsa-sha1; h=from:subject:message-id:date:x-asarian_host-authenticated-sender:x-asarian_host-trace:x-asarian_host-virus-checked:organization:to:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; c=nofws; s=anon; d=asarian-host.net; b=H/HV0UJ0Ueyio0YOyexSX1ph6A5vwShdht4X8EHqyGA8JNf4AgGp0ZUV7weqNjbGf5Ym9sKKhxyZ+KLbkbhntyluq0dGUwNKWzeNAuuxan7QDKwwh1Tvcsu0LgbRU29hG/IFt1MuHlM1grgcA7rWSuK9i4ZEzXg5P3yleOotb+E= From: Mark Message-Id: <200910170234.n9H2YeRI077329@asarian-host.net> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:34:40 GMT X-ASARIAN_HOST-Authenticated-Sender: admin@asarian-host.net X-ASARIAN_HOST-Trace: huM8PmFGIr0yVzoW6DErOZgmEgV5S5WfjZTCdAc7qUuddYbka/8kJqMXE26gJSKr X-ASARIAN_HOST-Complaints-To: abuse@asarian-host.net X-ASARIAN_HOST-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, otherwise we are unable to process your complaint X-ASARIAN_HOST-Virus-Checked: Scanned by ClamAV on asarian-host.net Organization: Asarian-host To: References: <4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca> <20091017010758.088b8b8c.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AD9016E.20302@videotron.ca> <4AD90946.4020204@ibctech.ca> <4AD91DE0.3030701@videotron.ca> In-Reply-To: <4AD91DE0.3030701@videotron.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: I hate to bitch but bitch I must X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 03:01:03 -0000 -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@f= reebsd.org] On Behalf Of PJ Sent: zaterdag 17 oktober 2009 3:50 To: Steve Bertrand Cc: Polytropon; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must >>>> but from man tunefs: >>>> BUGS >>>> This utility should work on active file systems. >>>> What in hades does this mean--just above it says cannot be run on >>>> active file systems. ??? >>>> >>>> >>> It "should". This means: Don't try that. :-) >>> >>> My printer isn't printing! >>> But it should. >>> No, it is not printing! >>> Yes, but it should. >>> :-) Actually, this has got very little to do with being a native English speaker or not. It's ere a matter of intonation (which, in writing, can only be conveyed to a certain degree, of course). 'Should' can certainly mean "Don't try that." As in: Will the ice hold me? Well, technically it should. (Meaning: it probably will, but I'm not overly confident.) >> Aha! Gotcha! Whoever wrote that has made an unintentionnal booboo. It >> is a subtle difference and is indicative that whoever wrote it is not >> a native english user... the meaning is clearly "should be executed, >> done, carried out, performed" The meaning of 'should' is not nearly as narrow as you suggest. Often it also denotes reservation (as in the above example). To illustrate once more: Can I run dump on an active file system? It *should* run on an active file system, provided (enumerations of conditions which would need to be met; like preferably no disk-activity when making the backup). (Meaning: it can be done, but it's ill-advised, really.) And clearly it does not mean "should be executed, done, carried out, performed." Another one: Will he run for President? Well, he should be able to get enough votes. (Meaning: if everything goes as planned, he might succeed, but it's by no means guaranteed he'll actually get enough votes). So, given the right intonation and context, "This utility should work on active file systems." can certainly be understood to mean one could technically do so, but that it's not recommended. - Mark From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 03:18:51 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C69B106566B for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 03:18:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39B9B8FC12 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 03:18:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-71-245.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.71.245]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09B893CB09; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 05:18:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n9H3Invf005513; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 05:18:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 05:18:48 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Warren Block Message-Id: <20091017051848.07c7e66a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca> <20091017010758.088b8b8c.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AD9016E.20302@videotron.ca> <20091017000439.GA25910@stainmore> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: PJ , Polytropon , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , Bob Hall Subject: Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 03:18:51 -0000 On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:59:18 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wrote: > I understand it, but see ambiguity in the word "should". Easy enough to > rewrite: > > BUGS > This utility does not work on active file systems. > > Now here's my challenge to PJ: use send-pr(1) or the web PR interface at > http://www.freebsd.org/send-pr.html to submit this as a doc bug report. > > That's how FreeBSD gets better, and how you help the next person in the > same situation. That's a good advice, because in this particular situation, the utility in question does NOT work on active file systems, it refuses to do so and throws the proper error message. There are cases where a program should work (under certain circumstances), but if a specified setting is not met, it works incorrectly (but still works), like using dump on a filesystem that's changing - usually producing a defective dump file that cannot be properly restored. For completeness: If a program does not work, the manual should not say "it should work", but "it does not work" regarding a given situation. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 03:49:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DB12106566B for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 03:49:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rjhjr0@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f178.google.com (mail-yw0-f178.google.com [209.85.211.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5EC58FC14 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 03:49:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywh8 with SMTP id 8so2494906ywh.3 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:49:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=bzOTxSXe21/ArQM1bRneaCQ9gmcJVU4AtyWNCg208Qc=; b=lo4oALoQaxIrTN/rTmR8wRNdgye1M8pnmSxVeGCiFlWBM9D6tUpUdorEWPRct/xxsw TtlWOm0ldHhjcQNjOTd9hB4+c+cleNFPiRLLjpqTJ7CRXoI2bbdtf96rHoc570TimsJq 7PFKBbW0YrQaMXnuffaooBI6mw00uUQVvXgyM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; b=TAsjLXB0vgauc9TLfHBzZXOywdKLTuXCq1y+RUud3CZHOyqOvEUvIgCNfimMs6Zqin 1iWmq/QxrI3nxefbi5Awyet59BYSi6FpOPPjClFNUAhSKDiJwAZyhXaAAaVLD0nf5w9L RjcLAh1ZomxYDYhhNpnplrsrX0vV/ztgXuoaA= Received: by 10.90.42.9 with SMTP id p9mr2135375agp.4.1255751393965; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:49:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (ip98-163-115-74.dc.dc.cox.net [98.163.115.74]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 22sm1207317yxe.3.2009.10.16.20.49.52 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:49:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:49:52 -0400 From: Bob Hall To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20091017034952.GA26451@stainmore> Mail-Followup-To: Bob Hall , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca> <20091017010758.088b8b8c.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AD9016E.20302@videotron.ca> <4AD90946.4020204@ibctech.ca> <4AD91DE0.3030701@videotron.ca> <200910170234.n9H2YeRI077329@asarian-host.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200910170234.n9H2YeRI077329@asarian-host.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Subject: Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 03:49:55 -0000 On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 02:34:40AM +0000, Mark wrote: > Actually, this has got very little to do with being a native English > speaker or not. It's ere a matter of intonation (which, in writing, can > only be conveyed to a certain degree, of course). 'Should' can certainly > mean "Don't try that." As in: > > Will the ice hold me? > Well, technically it should. > > (Meaning: it probably will, but I'm not overly confident.) Actually, what's happening here is dropping part of a sentence. It's common in English to shorten Yea, it should work, but it doesn't. to Yea, it should work. In order to catch the meaning, you have to be aware of context. Contrary to the OP's claim, this shows a pretty good grasp of English idiom. It's definitely not evidence that the man author is not a native speaker of English. On the other hand, it can be clarified so that the meaning is clear even without context. If the OP really believes that the present wording is a problem, other people have made suggestions on what to do about it. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 05:25:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 693D0106566C for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 05:25:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (ns1.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29DC18FC1E for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 05:25:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9H5PCRX002196 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:25:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:25:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:25:13 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20091017052510.GA1893@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 23 years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.6 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: Subject: using split, can i break up a huge txt file using a regex X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 05:25:46 -0000 Guys, I have the ASCII files of my novel, JOURNEY, in 66 textfiles. [Named 00 - 66]. I have my word-processor version is the (urp) DOC fmt to submit places and for me, when i play around with formatting and typefaces and so in, in open format, ODT. I would like to put back the huge text file into its 66 smaller files using split. Can I break this very large journeyTowardtheDawn.txt using the regex "Chapter [:digit:]{1,2}" ?? Or maybe just "Chapter " ? thanks for ideas, gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 7.31a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 05:27:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86284106568D for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 05:27:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sektie@gmail.com) Received: from mail-px0-f186.google.com (mail-px0-f186.google.com [209.85.216.186]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 571A58FC1F for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 05:27:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pxi16 with SMTP id 16so1445659pxi.3 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:27:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type; bh=XeWhGm93Q+NCsaPqLKUB27DwAbujXGMGbqqto+vPTfc=; b=nyIGNYPdB48wjuecQX0mUHqet0TOQ0bnqH2nmv2x4VjDFFW+T8oPH/BWEPVaTbZlii KJko8kT5Tv+Jb+zOWwmTk1Quc7McUtOsZm1kQD23KmnwudUFHzK1/mmyAQrX6eSzHQPt wXVDLFY4awn5Op1BT8zOz4GQPkAiESnsWiep0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=NeiOUUGGltjReafvzsWI3v9cj7b6j4sPEMdvSe28wcqY6UNGtaS87YrQdRrsF+v5RT DsgIZGYgl0ZyBKWWocopedyboxD730pD1Fihn4Z91elx2EAxERHpeX04QJbt0SPBkHSV ut3JvqavyvAK34qA4wWoCnZ+W7fQPHXC5qRB8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: sektie@gmail.com Received: by 10.140.178.2 with SMTP id a2mr711276rvf.274.1255757265073; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:27:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200910170300.01339.motoom@xs4all.nl> References: <4AD23C1C.8040300@daleco.biz> <200910170300.01339.motoom@xs4all.nl> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:27:45 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: c8a44b095fe916f8 Message-ID: From: Randi Harper To: Michiel Overtoom Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sysinstall colours X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 05:27:45 -0000 On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 6:00 PM, Michiel Overtoom wrote: > > On Friday 16 October 2009, Randi Harper wrote: > > > Personally if I spent a lot of time on such a project, I'd be sure to > have > > the "is this going to make it into freebsd base?" conversation first. > > I think there's no doubt about it that 'sysinstall' will feature in the > next > FreeBSD too. It will! Keep up the good work! It's worth it. > Thank you for the kind words. :) > > The sysinstall manual page makes two apocalyptical remarks about itself: > > 1. "This product is currently at the end of its life cycle and will > eventually > be replaced." > > 2. "This utility is a prototype which lasted several years past its > expiration > date and is greatly in need of death." > > These doomsayings are wrong. To date no serious contenders have surfaced > and > up until that time sysinstall does its job, underappreciated perhaps, but > it > does it reasonably well, and adequately. Now that it is back in the focus, > we can look to a bright, evolutionary future for sysinstall. > As much as I want to agree with you, I can't quite do so. There are (to the best of my understanding) solid reasons why no other installer has made it into base. This doesn't necessarily mean that sysinstall is the final answer, though. Eventually, in my opinion, sysinstall needs to be replaced. It tries to do more than it should. For example, one of the things I'd like to see removed is the upgrade option - although I'm expecting quite a bit of backlash on that, so we'll see if that happens. I also don't think it should manage configuring rc.conf beyond network interfaces/hostname. The network services configuration is a mess. I don't think enabling the NFS server via sysinstall even works at this point. That aside, the code for sysinstall isn't really that bad, although it's been more of a history lesson than I initially expected. It was clearly written with the restrictions of older technology in mind. Bringing it completely up to date with current technology (devfs, gpt, zfs, whatever) is going to be such an extensive rewrite that it's true, one might as well write a new installer altogether. Then again, maybe I just like playing devil's advocate. :) -- randi From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 05:55:18 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 618CD106566B for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 05:55:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael.copeland@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f171.google.com (mail-yx0-f171.google.com [209.85.210.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17CB78FC19 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 05:55:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxe1 with SMTP id 1so2452204yxe.3 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:55:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=eSK2oIepovWKIt9sFmeThF3zNg1o1XH5qwCXUZQvPv0=; b=x9a6Bk2b6k9Toa1VShIDM76lOZktENESHyYL2tgJROqAQ0baVQWg5o8Z0G3GUVG3xf W1aYDCpkBWESc2py3f3C7Qoc/H69zwKF/o/o1JknWM8PK4i8c4D2NBASNNiagbaonXap F2gufB2R4jkTufhROsUZXcNUQCzRezQlrQgtA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=qWdfj5GNw3aT+5AkIBNO9vnVtWuwnGQo/3Y3PtodZVN/FA3BWF6alq/OI7Hf0L9S5/ c2Em2yIinE2zC80NTUKrTi1gHtBymGN/sQcf+dhGQ2iDb7v963jBF6WI+qIp7kzJ62gT Q5hirgAehJRBgvr9e4eVsYdJndRASz0jly8/8= Received: by 10.150.46.5 with SMTP id t5mr4213368ybt.97.1255757634326; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:33:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.76? (99-166-165-150.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net [99.166.165.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 14sm132752gxk.6.2009.10.16.22.33.52 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:33:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4AD95740.6010408@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:33:52 -0400 From: michael User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PJ References: <4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca> In-Reply-To: <4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 05:55:18 -0000 PJ wrote: > Why is it that the manual pages, as thorough as they may be, are very, > very confusing. > Perhaps I am being too wary, but I find that too many > instructions/examples are stumbling blocks to appreciation of the whole > system: > for instance, let's look at the instructions for changing disk labels > with glabel or is it tunefs ? > man glabel(8): > > for UFS the file system label is set with > tunefs(8) > . > what happened to glabel? > man tunefs(8) > The *tunefs* utility cannot be > run on an active file system. To change an active file system, it must > be downgraded to read-only or unmounted. > > So, you have to run tunefs from an active file system to modify another > disk? > but from man tunefs: > BUGS > This utility should work on active file systems. > What in hades does this mean--just above it says cannot be run on active > file systems. ??? > To change the root file > system, the system must be rebooted after the file system is tuned. > > You can tune a file system, but you cannot tune a fish. > How cute... And fish eat bugs. > > Seriously, now to the manual: > To create a permanent label for a UFS2 file system without destroying > any data, issue the following command: > # tunefs -L /home/ /dev/da3 > > Oh? home is what? What does this have to do with the partitions? > Here's from man glabel(8): > > EXAMPLES > The following example shows how to set up a label for disk ``da2'', cre- > ate a file system on it, and mount it: > glabel label -v usr /dev/da2 > newfs /dev/label/usr > mount /dev/label/usr /usr > [...] > umount /usr > glabel stop usr > glabel unload > > The next example shows how to set up a label for a UFS file system: > tunefs -L data /dev/da4s1a > mount /dev/ufs/data /mnt/data > > Am I to understand that glabel is only for a new system? What's with the > newfs... I'm trying to set labels on an system that is already set up. > And, the glabel examle above is not for UFS file systems? Oh, that's for > tunefs? > So why are we even dealing with this glabel? > > from manual: > # tunefs -L /home/ //dev/da3/ > A label should now exist in /dev/ufs which may be added to /etc/fstab: > /dev/ufs/home /home ufs rw 2 2 > > Why? Is this necessary? and somewhere I saw "tunefs -L volume > /dev/da0s1a" or something like that. Does that mean that each partition > should be tunefsd? Maybe the guys who programmed this stuff understand; > I sure don't. I just want to be able to set the labels according to what > they say can be done... so shy not have a clear and concise explanation? > > Do people who write this stuff ever read it? Tell me that its clear and > simple and to the point... so far, I have been running back and forth > between half a dozen web pages trying to understand what is going on... > and doing things through a dense fog does not produce creative results! > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > ok, in short since i didn't see anyone answer this directly, your question of tunefs vs glabel: tunefs is for UFS: it labels a UFS filesystem, no matter the device, ie: ad or da. tunefs is part of the filesystem utilities for UFS. good example, can't tunefs -L SWAP /dev/ad0s1b if it is a swap. you can glabel it. glabel is for labeling a device itself. you can glabel an ntfs filesystem or ext2, whatever. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 06:16:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B19A8106566C for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 06:16:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from shell.rawbw.com (shell.rawbw.com [198.144.192.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0C618FC14 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 06:16:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eagle.syrec.org (c-24-6-221-126.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [24.6.221.126]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell.rawbw.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id n9H6GC20037975 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:16:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4AD9612B.9070903@rawbw.com> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:16:11 -0700 From: Yuri User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090824) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Why Linux executable googleearth can't find proper libstdc++.so.6 ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: yuri@rawbw.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 06:16:14 -0000 I installed port google-earth. When I run 'googleearth' I get such messages: ./googleearth-bin: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.9' not found (required by ./libgoogleearth_lib.so) ./googleearth-bin: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.9' not found (required by ./libbase.so) Thinking that it picks up FreeBSD libs instead of Linux ones I added LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/compat/linux/usr/lib, and I got the similar messages again: ./googleearth-bin: /compat/linux/usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.9' not found (required by ./libgoogleearth_lib.so) ./googleearth-bin: /compat/linux/usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.9' not found (required by ./libbase.so) Why I get these messages about GLIBCXX_3.4.9? Is it a bug in port? Or in package? Or in system? /etc/make.conf has the line, if that matters: OVERRIDE_LINUX_BASE_PORT=fc6 Yuri From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 06:24:25 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2D121065696 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 06:24:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhellenthal@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f178.google.com (mail-yw0-f178.google.com [209.85.211.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 820C98FC1E for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 06:24:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywh8 with SMTP id 8so2542371ywh.3 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:24:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:sender:date:from:to:cc :subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references:user-agent :x-openpgp-key-id:x-openpgp-key-fingerprint:mime-version :content-type; bh=Dge0pmz/zC9MElBz0w0pbhOtsc3TYPyk9UHS+uuJ1Hk=; b=X/aWXatgo3mt0K1aQ6xnZopa8clVwee2eykrD7+fRRo4g2tOe2BQ4HYspzn2U0J8tk HgGhHWf5sN2K1SFytrgv3MulesbJ5T3oRTen4byzehs6qrY2sxXoOzCog9HEGP7zEHxW 7l6WJwf1AWRgtSdnz0u4p/xCHfsiOfvzUtBKw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:date:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references :user-agent:x-openpgp-key-id:x-openpgp-key-fingerprint:mime-version :content-type; b=ZFRGfZCBjqY2sodKxI8cH6xPN2+CzCgam0AJ+wh2Au7L4+OOTtHr9MEKBw91SZSn6j LyebG8PQj0aOcxzmOSvZq5mFHGdu+0bU4bn9+Tdur/YBsufL5AsGKmkePlw9g2rZAXJv JF31AW2fpbCpVEVg2ST09YvMMYW0f6LLVY7Io= Received: by 10.90.40.37 with SMTP id n37mr2178154agn.74.1255760664879; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:24:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dimension.5p.local (adsl-99-181-128-216.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net [99.181.128.216]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 22sm1299725yxe.7.2009.10.16.23.24.23 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:24:23 -0700 (PDT) Sender: "J. Hellenthal" Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:24:16 -0400 From: jhell To: Neal Hogan In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca> <20091017010758.088b8b8c.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AD9016E.20302@videotron.ca> <4AD90946.4020204@ibctech.ca> <4AD91DE0.3030701@videotron.ca> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) X-OpenPGP-Key-Id: 0x89D8547E X-OpenPGP-Key-Fingerprint: 85EF E26B 07BB 3777 76BE B12A 9057 8789 89D8 547E MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: PJ , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 06:24:26 -0000 On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:54, nealhogan@ wrote: >> It is simple to understand Emglish but not so simple what was meant by >> whoever wrote it...I cannot correct something that I do not uderstand... >> come on, man, that should be easy to understand. >> I am afraid that with all the globalization people still do not >> understand that translations should be left to experts... an by that I >> mean the final version should always, and I mean always, be by a native >> speaking person. >> I speak english, french, italian, some spanish and german as well as >> latvian... but I would never attempt to translate into any language >> other than English... and then not without the help of the original >> language's originator. ;-) > > > PJ, you certainly sound like a scholar . . . you "speak" many > languages and have a strict translation policy, yet (given those two > points) it doesn't follow you have any idea how to use any of those > languages. > > You prefer drama and at some point we're going to realize that there > is no wolf? KISS! (google for translation). > Dear Neal, Stop being a pathetic reply artist. Hit [Delete] next time or learn how to lead-in your replies so everyone knows who your replying to. He actually has a real point its just not caught with all the unneeded attention your bring to hist statement about language. Little over dramatic and pathetic give it up its email.... PS: echo \ '[q]sa[ln0=aln256%Pln256/snlbx]sb3135071790101768542287578439snlbxq'|dc Your best friend. -- ;; dataix.net!jhell 2048R/89D8547E 2009-09-30 ;; BSD since FreeBSD 4.2 Linux since Slackware 2.1 ;; 85EF E26B 07BB 3777 76BE B12A 9057 8789 89D8 547E From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 09:53:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E80B01065672 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 09:53:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from laszlo_danielisz@yahoo.com) Received: from web30808.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30808.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.151]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A64B08FC19 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 09:53:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 50215 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Oct 2009 09:53:31 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1255773211; bh=07DnDQjQkej5nkZbO0VRtZVVlOYCMITWumWyAJ8F4IA=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; 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Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:53:31 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/182.10 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.3 Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:53:31 -0700 (PDT) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?D=E1nielisz_L=E1szl=F3?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: pf, ssh related question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 09:53:33 -0000 Hello,=0A=0AI have the following annoying thing: all the time I runpfctl -F= all -f /etc/pf.conf I got disconnected from my remote machine.=0ADo you ha= ve any idea how can I avoid this?=0A=0AHere is my pf.conf=0A=0A=0A#MACROS= =0Aext_if=3D"rl0"=0Aint_if=3D"rl1"=0Agood_ip=3D"{192.168.1.0/24}"=0Aicmp_ty= pes=3D"echoreq"=0A=0Aset skip on lo=0A=0Ascrub in=0A=0Ablock in=0Apass out = keep state=0A=0Aantispoof quick for { lo $int_if }=0A=0A#incoming ssh=0Apas= s in log quick on $int_if inet proto tcp from $good_ip to ($int_if) port 22= flags S/SA keep state=0A=0A#incoming http=0Apass in log quick on $int_if i= net proto tcp from $good_ip to ($int_if) port 80 flags S/SA keep state=0A= =0Apass in inet proto icmp all icmp-type $icmp_types keep state=0A=0A=0A = From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 10:15:41 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C7C51065672 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 10:15:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from smtpq2.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net (smtpq2.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net [212.54.42.165]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB7D28FC12 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 10:15:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [212.54.42.132] (helo=smtp1.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq2.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mz6K3-0006hL-7G; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 12:15:39 +0200 Received: from [84.25.72.219] (helo=ra.egypt.nl) by smtp1.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mz6Jx-0006LL-U9; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 12:15:33 +0200 Received: from [192.168.13.77] (Peters-iPod.egypt.nl [192.168.13.77]) by ra.egypt.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95E2339840; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 12:15:33 +0200 (CEST) References: <880435.50203.qm@web30808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-Id: From: Peter Boosten To: =?utf-8?Q?D=C3=A1nielisz_L=C3=A1szl=C3=B3?= In-Reply-To: <880435.50203.qm@web30808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: iPod Mail (7D11) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPod Mail 7D11) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 12:16:06 +0200 X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-ID: 1Mz6Jx-0006LL-U9 X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-SpamCheck: geen spam, SpamAssassin (niet cached, score=-2.6, vereist 5, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60, SPF_PASS -0.00) X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-From: peter@boosten.org X-Spam-Status: No Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: pf, ssh related question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 10:15:41 -0000 On 17 okt 2009, at 11:53, D=C3=A1nielisz L=C3=A1szl=C3=B3 =20 wrote: > Hello, > > I have the following annoying thing: all the time I runpfctl -F all -=20= > f /etc/pf.conf I got disconnected from my remote machine. > Do you have any idea how can I avoid this? > You cannot avoid when you flush all your current states. Peter --=20 http://www.boosten.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 10:35:38 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 128991065672 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 10:35:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mdc@prgmr.com) Received: from mail.prgmr.com (mail.prgmr.com [64.62.173.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 002118FC12 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 10:35:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from frylock.local (c-71-202-135-91.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [71.202.135.91]) by mail.prgmr.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34DAB68B5B for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 03:42:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4AD99DF9.5010106@prgmr.com> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 03:35:37 -0700 From: Michael David Crawford Organization: Prgmr.com User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <560f92640910142042tc46f1e3lb81ac1e4528a44ab@mail.gmail.com> <20091015143947.GB54613@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <560f92640910151742h33393131j9974c23db37602b8@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <560f92640910151742h33393131j9974c23db37602b8@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best procedure for full backup of live system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 10:35:38 -0000 Nerius Landys wrote: > > dd if=/dev/ad4 of=MBR_backup bs=512 count=1 > > to back up the MBR, so I can recontruct the boot program and partition > table. But they don't mention that in the Handbook. While that will back up the Master Boot Record, it's not sufficient for the general case of MS-DOS style partitions. It will only include the primary and extended partitions. The logical partitions, which exist inside an extended partition, are a linked list whose elements are distributed across your disk somewhere. If you have any extended partitions, you need to back them up too. They aren't part of the 512-byte MBR so just using dd to grab the first 512 bytes won't do. The Linux sfdisk program can create a machine readible text file that includes any logical partitions. Does FreeBSD also have sfdisk? Perhaps it's in ports. I don't have my FreeBSD box handy right now so I can't just look. ... and as has been pointed out, you'll also want your BSD disklabel which is a whole different beast. Mike -- Michael David Crawford mdc@prgmr.com prgmr.com - We Don't Assume You Are Stupid. Xen-Powered Virtual Private Servers: http://prgmr.com/xen From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 10:41:38 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A82051065672 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 10:41:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stevan-tiefert@kabelmail.de) Received: from smtpa1.mediabeam.com (smtpa1.mediabeam.com [194.25.41.13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D9218FC1C for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 10:41:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r300-4 (balancer4.mediabeam.com [194.25.41.40]) by smtpa1.mediabeam.com (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n9HAfa9Y026653; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 12:41:36 +0200 Received: from [88.134.130.27] (88-134-130-27-dynip.superkabel.de [88.134.130.27]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpa.mediabeam.com (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n9HAfZRS003221; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 12:41:36 +0200 From: Stevan Tiefert To: Tim Judd In-Reply-To: References: <1255727601.4640.4.camel@x1-6-00-11-09-00-e4-00.search.b.superkabel.de> <20091016213732.GA61433@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 12:41:35 +0200 Message-Id: <1255776095.4571.6.camel@x1-6-00-11-09-00-e4-00.search.b.superkabel.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.24.1.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Jerry McAllister , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: small question about tape-based dumps X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 10:41:38 -0000 Am Freitag, den 16.10.2009, 20:43 -0600 schrieb Tim Judd: > Replies inline > > On 10/16/09, Jerry McAllister wrote: ----------8< snip, snap... ----------8< > > Something like mt fsf 1 will skip over the first dump file > > so you can write the second. mt fsf 2 will skip over two files, etc. > > That is dump files, not files within the dump. Each dump of a > > filesystem is one file. ----------8< snip, snap... ----------8< That means, that after ervery dump, the tape drive is automatically writing an EOF. It is not necessary to write with mt -f /dev/nsa0 weof the EOF again. > > Thanks for any input! > --TJ With regards Stevan Tiefert From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 11:45:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2512610656C0 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 11:44:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mkhitrov@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f218.google.com (mail-ew0-f218.google.com [209.85.219.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 399928FC08 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 11:44:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy18 with SMTP id 18so2555554ewy.43 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 04:44:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=TY8Z6cqTbpS63WjsOYsEhH7K6t+DYU84p4qZ8H7VYDA=; b=CdstWdpUyNFWMouI/NvgpVrTmue8b+Mg1lmWtJ1/6f/YvZ2NuOaNAbKB/Ryy37crMa 1seoHthqyBj63o/yjQjcIFQ1ZIfnqFT/pv6haZpCcM9QKZv9pZhoR9YOVpJ1wZCwwh9H fShU8NMN26u5UyHFmGiyUQ++7LmBwgCS7k0Bk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Ci7vVHqzaswBwAh8asqO1v2VSMJkqlRUS8Oi+wT03EaRaYQiq5TynfR8VlPLaYg8fu oX2mDgQ+/Jk7gaJo6kiBc4O8fNgLnPLedVeL9tCpA6bRg/OHZ2ClxfqafHcHlLUf+Xb7 5/mD7uAZSuGw1C3eq1FGNa51+Z/3EFLemWCa8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.211.153.14 with SMTP id f14mr2989649ebo.36.1255779898226; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 04:44:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <880435.50203.qm@web30808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <880435.50203.qm@web30808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: Maxim Khitrov Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 07:44:38 -0400 Message-ID: <26ddd1750910170444n7050b286u572ee18b13469e9c@mail.gmail.com> To: =?UTF-8?B?RMOhbmllbGlzeiBMw6FzemzDsw==?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: pf, ssh related question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 11:45:00 -0000 2009/10/17 D=C3=A1nielisz L=C3=A1szl=C3=B3 : > Hello, > > I have the following annoying thing: all the time I runpfctl -F all -f /e= tc/pf.conf I got disconnected from my remote machine. > Do you have any idea how can I avoid this? If you are just trying to reload the changes made to pf.conf, use "/etc/rc.d/pf reload". That flushes everything except for the state table, leaving your connections intact. Another method is to set "flags any" for each rule, which should allow connections to recover after the states are flushed, but this would be a bad idea security-wise. - Max From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 12:04:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BF501065679 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 12:04:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f210.google.com (mail-fx0-f210.google.com [209.85.220.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22D3A8FC1F for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 12:04:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm6 with SMTP id 6so3243627fxm.43 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 05:04:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=2IImFJ/c7cQBy9TfcNx+T+z3Zi2Xgrhpq+OXEIFf3H8=; b=a+lHdpR1v9WT3/dEl/ojVv0x2UeVAKtMD6DnRDcaHxhH/Q+sWWujHbIa93IfMsSC8Q +dz+EZg9LOJQsf/UsE+KIJWsO9y+bKG/GB7VTCFVWvDmdMiyDAVqTVwlWhniwqNtWrMA 3RsU+jUTdS94/w6zvpPAnFWxlNZ4gfzpyZ3xc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=GBe4M6p8ilb0u7xWYZaHaHjLMMyyahWuIND1l1qjoRHzTS2Bon94m3opVc17xXMbt5 3NL7j6T6Rkz6Uhs+ydVoPtEedczQ7HE2u3u1AHXsQtWb32whdlnIrVvUV/w5tyBZ5Pyi 3OZz40HbPD0QAip7NRYZMVPtoCqetilhz10GQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.237.193 with SMTP id k1mr222489hbp.173.1255781041960; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 05:04:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <880435.50203.qm@web30808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <880435.50203.qm@web30808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 13:04:01 +0100 Message-ID: From: krad To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?D=E1nielisz_L=E1szl=F3?= , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Subject: Re: pf, ssh related question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 12:04:03 -0000 Theoretically if you sent a syn packet from the same source port at tne same time as you reloaded the rules you coyld get around it. However the practicalities of this make it not worth the hassle, especially if you dont control the firewall yiur traversing through the client end. Best to live with it On 10/17/09, D=E1nielisz L=E1szl=F3 wrote: > Hello, > > I have the following annoying thing: all the time I runpfctl -F all -f > /etc/pf.conf I got disconnected from my remote machine. > Do you have any idea how can I avoid this? > > Here is my pf.conf > > > #MACROS > ext_if=3D"rl0" > int_if=3D"rl1" > good_ip=3D"{192.168.1.0/24}" > icmp_types=3D"echoreq" > > set skip on lo > > scrub in > > block in > pass out keep state > > antispoof quick for { lo $int_if } > > #incoming ssh > pass in log quick on $int_if inet proto tcp from $good_ip to ($int_if) po= rt > 22 flags S/SA keep state > > #incoming http > pass in log quick on $int_if inet proto tcp from $good_ip to ($int_if) po= rt > 80 flags S/SA keep state > > pass in inet proto icmp all icmp-type $icmp_types keep state > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > --=20 Sent from my mobile device From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 12:33:25 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39AA0106568B for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 12:33:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from neuhauser@sigpipe.cz) Received: from isis.sigpipe.cz (fw.sigpipe.cz [213.192.2.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A60448FC13 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 12:33:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by isis.sigpipe.cz (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 128EC147C34; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 14:19:51 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 14:19:50 +0200 From: Roman Neuhauser To: PJ Message-ID: <20091017121950.GA54137@isis.sigpipe.cz> References: <4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca> <20091017010758.088b8b8c.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AD9016E.20302@videotron.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4AD9016E.20302@videotron.ca> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: Polytropon , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 12:33:25 -0000 On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 07:27:42PM -0400, PJ wrote: > Polytropon wrote: > > On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:54:23 -0400, PJ wrote: > >> but from man tunefs: > >> BUGS > >> This utility should work on active file systems. > >> What in hades does this mean--just above it says cannot be run on active > >> file systems. ??? > >> > > > > It "should". This means: Don't try that. :-) > > > > My printer isn't printing! > > But it should. > > No, it is not printing! > > Yes, but it should. > > :-) > > > > > Aha! Gotcha! Whoever wrote that has made an unintentionnal booboo. It is > a subtle difference and is indicative that whoever wrote it is not a > native english user... the meaning is clearly "should be executed, done, > carried out, performed" - should work means it can be carried out - I > think the author meant to say "should not be done" Dunno, maybe it's because E is my SL, but I fail to see the problem here. The meaning is clearly (SECTION BUGS, ffs) "The friggin program should have a feature it's currently lacking." That's not to say I haven't had my share of gripes with man pages, it's just that if you ignore the man page structure and associated meaning, you're in for trouble. Just like with any message. -- roman From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 13:18:57 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85563106566C for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 13:18:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bf1783@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f218.google.com (mail-ew0-f218.google.com [209.85.219.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F19B8FC16 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 13:18:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy18 with SMTP id 18so2592811ewy.43 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 06:18:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=4hdmICIPSW9laIkygDaEa9+DflY7eBsLt+achmVCxVU=; b=ZD26r+8AAT6J35n3OitfIdbo9qyD34kAv4xGiu1RhK74RAVgbdjJ7tN4HELF6Do0Hx tjVu/tfMhwijiLJ81L5liPJG/77YoS0wHSryfiyN3k9SVeraLmoQtQJuhM2hOsS0HN+W eytIlGRKa9ofVpPl0OGwiKMTyVGjNzG2X4AKc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=ccAQo3pohAaxJ5xhYKBjbVn7tE4yxy7giU/LBq4a5TACU06taiAxo76uu1y7Jrk2Vl 5/59qs4RZlwhNW08wgcWruw3S49uP539GZDdC+nFbkzYDDMccNVcPReeo3lAXoxtTZdg AEmKYdqPCrnlh5aP9N7zv5ADa7nb/F45ssStQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.88.10 with SMTP id z10mr952587wee.108.1255785536093; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 06:18:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 13:18:55 +0000 Message-ID: From: "b. f." To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: yuri@rawbw.com Subject: Re: Why Linux executable googleearth can't find proper libstdc++.so.6 ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 13:18:57 -0000 >Why I get these messages about GLIBCXX_3.4.9? Is it a bug in port? Or in >package? Or in system? >/etc/make.conf has the line, if that matters: >OVERRIDE_LINUX_BASE_PORT=fc6 Yes, it does matter. This is a binary port, and the party that built the binaries (Google) compiled them against a fairly recent libstdc++. You are trying to link these binaries with an older version of libstdc++ in Fedora Core 6 which doesn't include the newer symbols, and getting a symbol-version error. Fedora Core 6 was released in October 2006 and reached it's end-of-life in Dec. 2007. Use a newer Linux base port, preferably the newest that will work on your platform and with your software. If you've an older version of FreeBSD that doesn't support the newer Linux base ports, then you'll have to upgrade, or do some really nasty hacking. This question is more appropriate in the freebsd-ports or freebsd-emulation mailing lists. b. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 15:49:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46FC31065670 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 15:49:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from shell.rawbw.com (shell.rawbw.com [198.144.192.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F34808FC0C for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 15:49:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eagle.syrec.org (c-24-6-221-126.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [24.6.221.126]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell.rawbw.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id n9HFnLQp095921; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 08:49:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4AD9E780.5070604@rawbw.com> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 08:49:20 -0700 From: Yuri User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090824) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "b. f." References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Why Linux executable googleearth can't find proper libstdc++.so.6 ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: yuri@rawbw.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 15:49:22 -0000 b. f. wrote: >> Why I get these messages about GLIBCXX_3.4.9? Is it a bug in port? Or in >> package? Or in system? >> > > >> /etc/make.conf has the line, if that matters: >> OVERRIDE_LINUX_BASE_PORT=fc6 >> > > Yes, it does matter. This is a binary port, and the party that built > the binaries (Google) compiled them against a fairly recent libstdc++. > You are trying to link these binaries with an older version of > libstdc++ in Fedora Core 6 which doesn't include the newer symbols, > and getting a symbol-version error. Fedora Core 6 was released in > October 2006 and reached it's end-of-life in Dec. 2007. Use a newer > Linux base port, preferably the newest that will work on your platform > and with your software. If you've an older version of FreeBSD that > doesn't support the newer Linux base ports, then you'll have to > upgrade, or do some really nasty hacking. This question is more > appropriate in the freebsd-ports or freebsd-emulation mailing lists. > > b. > Record 20080318 in /usr/ports/UPDATING says that in order for skype to work OVERRIDE_LINUX_BASE_PORT=fc6 should be set. I did that in order to make skype work. I believe latest versions of skype don't work work FreeBSD because FreeBSD only uses OSS audio and newer skypes are non-OSS. So now if I remove that line from /etc/make.conf skype is likely to break and google-earth to be fixed. How can I have both working? Looks like for some unknown reason linux has incompatible files libstdc++.so.6 in different versions instead of bumping number in name. Is it possible to have several linux bases under different install bases? Yuri From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 16:19:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54B6B106566C for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:19:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bf1783@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f218.google.com (mail-ew0-f218.google.com [209.85.219.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0C1A8FC1F for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:19:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy18 with SMTP id 18so2676914ewy.43 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 09:19:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=iyEaiYw6yfZmcxjjbcmed2hNyh+ngpAkkD525Tc2LTY=; b=KK3gEXq5R59GsL2L8B/gfBa27WKwc1UfkGYoGjnWh/8C0vGsxP2/xZ8f1GVhpxfyyW r7eGMl7kTp3JHbdSO7S0rlyK5+xTkieW9VY+qVJLZitFzZQcDGvp0/8LJJK1J98Wzq6E vvLG/lpazDARtDDoPRBzXZW+Yp4rn1S+PNwew= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=rpKken7cAVoNKDyngEPk+CoqYBFnBR1GGVN/nvUdeIwXyv0uuf1BXWaqiPDJWILSxI PeIxw/FEEJlbUof4+4Ce0GEtYXScjXVF010p27lpn2dS9s3+MyczAyR0b8L3U2hqLVfM 4bHhYDB8KUUiJpd/TKSLiYbJGCfzL5LRYjNP4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.88.10 with SMTP id z10mr1003834wee.108.1255796372563; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 09:19:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4AD9E780.5070604@rawbw.com> References: <4AD9E780.5070604@rawbw.com> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:19:32 +0000 Message-ID: From: "b. f." To: yuri@rawbw.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why Linux executable googleearth can't find proper libstdc++.so.6 ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:19:34 -0000 On 10/17/09, Yuri wrote: > b. f. wrote: > > Record 20080318 in /usr/ports/UPDATING says that in order for skype to > work OVERRIDE_LINUX_BASE_PORT=fc6 should be set. I did that in order to > make skype work. I believe latest versions of skype don't work work > FreeBSD because FreeBSD only uses OSS audio and newer skypes are non-OSS. > > So now if I remove that line from /etc/make.conf skype is likely to > break and google-earth to be fixed. That entry also says that Fedora 8 can be used, which was the latest Linux base port at the time the entry was made, and the skype port Makefile says Fedora Core 6 __or later__ can be used. So presumably later Linux base ports will also work: try the most recent Linux base emulation port that is available for your platform. > Looks like for some unknown reason linux has incompatible files > libstdc++.so.6 in different versions instead of bumping number in name. > The library's interface (API/ABI) hasn't changed, so the major version number should remain the same. With the use of symbol versions, new symbols, or different library symbols with the same interface can be added, with the appropriate version number information, so that binaries compiled against different versions of the symbols can all be used with the library. So there is backwards-compatibility with earlier versions of the library, but binaries that have been linked with newer symbol versions during compilation will not link at run-time against older versions of the library that don't have the new versions of the symbols. See: http://people.redhat.com/drepper/symbol-versioning http://people.freebsd.org/~deischen/symver/freebsd_versioning.txt > Is it possible to have several linux bases under different install bases? > Yes, if you patch the run-time linker as PC-BSD does, or if you use different environment variables or libmap.conf(5) to ensure the right libraries are loaded when using different binaries. But this can get messy -- try to use a new Linux base port for all of your ports first. b. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 16:39:05 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7509B1065670 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:39:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from parv@pair.com) Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.125]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DD308FC1E for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:39:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost.hawaii.res.rr.com ([98.150.187.245]) by hrndva-omta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20091017163904304.NECR4590@hrndva-omta04.mail.rr.com>; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:39:04 +0000 Received: from holstein.holy.cow (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.hawaii.res.rr.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5C263468; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 06:42:06 -1000 (HST) Received: (from parv@localhost) by holstein.holy.cow (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id n9HGg5hn047739; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 06:42:05 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from parv@pair.com) X-Authentication-Warning: holstein.holy.cow: parv set sender to parv@pair.com using -f Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 06:42:05 -1000 From: parv@pair.com To: Polytropon Message-ID: <20091017164205.GB3340@holstein.holy.cow> Mail-Followup-To: Polytropon , Manolis Kiagias , PJ , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" References: <4AD8B65C.9020603@videotron.ca> <4AD8B9A9.7030306@otenet.gr> <4AD8C62C.2060009@videotron.ca> <4AD8C7B9.8030108@otenet.gr> <4AD8D387.3060101@videotron.ca> <4AD8E909.2040804@otenet.gr> <20091017005844.77c28cc1.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20091017005844.77c28cc1.freebsd@edvax.de> Cc: Manolis Kiagias , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , PJ Subject: Re: GEOM label clarification X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:39:05 -0000 in message <20091017005844.77c28cc1.freebsd@edvax.de>, wrote Polytropon thusly... > > On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:43:37 +0300, Manolis Kiagias wrote: > > Is this your normal '/' filesystem, and is it mounted? If it is > > reboot your system and select 'single user mode' from the > > loader.menu > > Then use glabel in the single user mode prompt. > > This will not work if you just 'shutdown now', you have to > > reboot into single user mode. > > Isn't it sufficient to unmount any partitions and keep / in -o ro > mode, and then perform the glabel command, which is obviously best > done in single user mode? > > # shutdown now > # umount /home /usr /var /tmp > # mount -r / > # glabel label rootfs /dev/ad0s1a That did not work for the 3-4 times I had tried on 6.[2-4]-STABLE. Booting regulary in single user mode (choice 4 or 5) also did not allow glabel'ing (for root). - parv -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 18:29:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 091011065676 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 18:29:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeronimocalvop@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f171.google.com (mail-yx0-f171.google.com [209.85.210.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD47F8FC22 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 18:29:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxe1 with SMTP id 1so2730198yxe.3 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 11:29:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=PhiJnxF3xZXudlqrF88LtZQjCZXSuUc3XAsbKEh2nug=; b=B/81PhetufY9lktkQSvSIjSK4wyO+kSYkFL7QVCiiwzPodX/xHw4hoEQzHU3LsHz13 u+jJsOG8iD/BDuCWvPP7OtV2FZg2180/X/CYL/Jtuctk9DF1LZlATT4N+rEnxGnUm8pe 9Mp+pypbbhWTw7wiG2yYiM3cM1nrQVdPDO4cw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=G5I+4BMOWVqmAz9pJY6Tmm3LB+y2K1yYY6fZqYE/knWwqa3uykv0cxItLUukDC7PgO CddP8fPRgUJuxIHkVvN0tSWjmIXg+fsx5ljlbTKq9w/Vw1Y8hxB2h/v/ben1UDb4JGS0 9JhbjF7gMBZeoZF8p6+VDHdJFu9T2VQVAgzK4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.9.4 with SMTP id m4mr2928089ani.7.1255804157997; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 11:29:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 19:29:17 +0100 Message-ID: From: Jeronimo Calvo To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Data Redundancy RAID 0+1 Vs 1+0 FREEBSD 7.4 STABLE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 18:29:19 -0000 Hi folks, I'm thinking to build a Raid on my system and I'm getting documented abut 0+1 and 1+0 RAID systems. As far as I can see the best option is a 1+0 is the best option as if one of the from mirrors fails, the RAID still be redundant and in the case of a 0+1 RAID, If one of them fails, the RAID will be down until u replace the HD in question... So my question is, if I am right above, what are de benefits of mounting a RAID 0+1 ?? Cheers! -- () ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Against HTML e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org | Against proprietary extensions From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 18:49:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB3121065670 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 18:49:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (gate6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62C5C8FC1B for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 18:49:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9HInQsX064774; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 19:49:27 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk n9HInQsX064774 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=200708; t=1255805367; bh=gOhsE65esqTpTxyri/3tgeX5ZAOACcw9GchJSCEJXR8=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4ADA11AD.3070101@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20S at,=2017=20Oct=202009=2019:49:17=20+0100|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|Organization:=20Infracaninophi le|User-Agent:=20Thunderbird=202.0.0.23=20(X11/20090823)|MIME-Vers ion:=201.0|To:=20Jeronimo=20Calvo=20|CC:=20FreeBSD=20Questions=20|Subj ect:=20Re:=20Data=20Redundancy=20RAID=200+1=20Vs=201+0=20FREEBSD=2 07.4=20STABLE|References:=20|In-Reply-To:=20|X-Enigmail-Version:=200.95.6|Co ntent-Type:=20multipart/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha256=3B=0D=0A=2 0protocol=3D"application/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"--- ---------enigDB3441485DA6BD533F7C668D"; b=CIRVr6RxZteB4BrQ9KlcAmA6A8HSEWQB13xsGPGPNDnmva75jVxkTMjuL8dCaWb9d SmU+BdgJnUg8t73ShSxR1smx7f/CXu4HqOk143flXLV35inCIqLV+QSQBTj6xfcoHn NyqevZufCZMoPpUmsn1j+4pmkKFOHMeUWpP4+FoE= X-Authentication-Warning: happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host localhost [IPv6:::1] claimed to be happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Message-ID: <4ADA11AD.3070101@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 19:49:17 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090823) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeronimo Calvo References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigDB3441485DA6BD533F7C668D" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.2 at happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Data Redundancy RAID 0+1 Vs 1+0 FREEBSD 7.4 STABLE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 18:49:34 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigDB3441485DA6BD533F7C668D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jeronimo Calvo wrote: > Hi folks, >=20 > I'm thinking to build a Raid on my system and I'm getting documented > abut 0+1 and 1+0 RAID systems. > As far as I can see the best option is a 1+0 is the best option as if > one of the from mirrors fails, the RAID still be redundant and in the > case of a 0+1 RAID, If one of them fails, the RAID will be down until > u replace the HD in question... >=20 > So my question is, if I am right above, what are de benefits of > mounting a RAID 0+1 ?? For workloads that involve streaming large volumes of sequential data RAID 0+1 can perform very well. However, for the typical sort of workloa= ds seen on a general purpose workstation, it offers no advantages over RAID1= 0, and for the sort of workload you get with RDBMSes -- lots of randomly scattered small IOs -- RAID10 does the business. Given the poor resilience characteristics of RAID 0+1 the sequential data streaming workload would be better handled by RAID5(0) or RAID6(0) p= lus a good hardware RAID controller with plenty of battery backed cache RAM. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enigDB3441485DA6BD533F7C668D Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.13 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREIAAYFAkraEbYACgkQ8Mjk52CukIyZAwCdGcHvGUcnCfpzgIo7D81pxz/r 3+EAnjbeJkZOpHmYlkpHVoQko1P3K+fb =s5k9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigDB3441485DA6BD533F7C668D-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 20:07:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29A2B106566B for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20:07:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from af.gourmet@videotron.ca) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F33678FC0C for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20:07:22 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Received: from [192.168.0.51] ([96.21.103.185]) by VL-MO-MR002.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-4.01 (built Aug 3 2007; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KRO00G3TD894E50@VL-MO-MR002.ip.videotron.ca> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:07:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <4ADA23FD.8020003@videotron.ca> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:07:25 -0400 From: PJ User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) To: Polytropon References: <4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca> <20091017010758.088b8b8c.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AD9016E.20302@videotron.ca> <4AD90946.4020204@ibctech.ca> <4AD91DE0.3030701@videotron.ca> <20091017042443.dbc693c8.freebsd@edvax.de> In-reply-to: <20091017042443.dbc693c8.freebsd@edvax.de> Cc: Steve Bertrand , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20:07:23 -0000 Polytropon wrote: > On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:29:04 -0400, PJ wrote: > >> It is simple to understand Emglish but not so simple what was meant by >> whoever wrote it...I cannot correct something that I do not uderstand... >> come on, man, that should be easy to understand. >> > > As English is not my native language, I *now* understand the > meaning of "it should"; in this case, it seems to mean something > like "basically, it is supposed to, but in this case, it does > not", regarding the desired action. > To be as precise as possible, it means normally it should work so go ahead; then the question is - what do you mean by normally. In our case above, the instructions were to do the operation with the disk not in use and the os in SUM. That's very clear. Now, I f they wanted to point out a bug, the bug means that there is an anomaly under certain circumstances - and in this case there really is no bug as it is very clear as to how the instructions should be used. If they consider the operation under a live files system a bug, then they should just make a warning and say something along the lines of "do not use on live system as that may destroy data" or something to that effect. > > > >> I am afraid that with all the globalization people still do not >> understand that translations should be left to experts... an by that I >> mean the final version should always, and I mean always, be by a native >> speaking person. >> > > It's still possible that non-native speakers misunderstand. > Of course... but what you need is cooperation between the two - and both should have some understanding of the particular area of expertise they are dealing with. Just a note: I find it strange that nobody looked into the problem of the confusion... I thought I had pointed out where the co;nfusion arises... and no one seems to have either understood the inconsistencies or bothere to read the explanation... oh well... let's keep on blundering away... ;-) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 20:17:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F0161065676 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20:17:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from af.gourmet@videotron.ca) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 454458FC21 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20:17:09 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Received: from [192.168.0.51] ([96.21.103.185]) by VL-MO-MR004.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-4.01 (built Aug 3 2007; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KRO00MJKDOK7VA0@VL-MO-MR004.ip.videotron.ca> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:17:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <4ADA2647.3020405@videotron.ca> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:17:11 -0400 From: PJ User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) To: Mark References: <4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca> <20091017010758.088b8b8c.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AD9016E.20302@videotron.ca> <4AD90946.4020204@ibctech.ca> <4AD91DE0.3030701@videotron.ca> <200910170234.n9H2YeRI077329@asarian-host.net> In-reply-to: <200910170234.n9H2YeRI077329@asarian-host.net> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20:17:09 -0000 Mark wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of PJ > Sent: zaterdag 17 oktober 2009 3:50 > To: Steve Bertrand > Cc: Polytropon; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must > > >>>>> but from man tunefs: >>>>> BUGS >>>>> This utility should work on active file systems. >>>>> What in hades does this mean--just above it says cannot be run on >>>>> active file systems. ??? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> It "should". This means: Don't try that. :-) >>>> >>>> My printer isn't printing! >>>> But it should. >>>> No, it is not printing! >>>> Yes, but it should. >>>> :-) >>>> > > Actually, this has got very little to do with being a native English > speaker or not. It's ere a matter of intonation (which, in writing, can > only be conveyed to a certain degree, of course). 'Should' can certainly > mean "Don't try that." As in: > > Will the ice hold me? > Well, technically it should. > > (Meaning: it probably will, but I'm not overly confident.) > > >>> Aha! Gotcha! Whoever wrote that has made an unintentionnal booboo. It >>> is a subtle difference and is indicative that whoever wrote it is not >>> a native english user... the meaning is clearly "should be executed, >>> done, carried out, performed" >>> > > The meaning of 'should' is not nearly as narrow as you suggest. Often it > also denotes reservation (as in the above example). To illustrate once > more: > > Can I run dump on an active file system? > It *should* run on an active file system, provided (enumerations of > conditions which would need to be met; like preferably no disk-activity > when making the backup). > > (Meaning: it can be done, but it's ill-advised, really.) And clearly it > does not mean "should be executed, done, carried out, performed." > > Another one: > > Will he run for President? > Well, he should be able to get enough votes. > > (Meaning: if everything goes as planned, he might succeed, but it's by no > means guaranteed he'll actually get enough votes). > > So, given the right intonation and context, "This utility should work on > active file systems." can certainly be understood to mean one could > technically do so, but that it's not recommended. > > - Mark > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > I think you're trying to take the meaning of "should" a little too far... to keep it simple, and without trying to intellectualize it, it simply means (and this can change within certain contexts) "normally, it should work" (in our context, here) but there is no implication of any warnings or dangers ... the "normally" is implied, the rest you can do with it as you wish, obviously at your rist... but even then the interpretation goes too far. As I suggested to Polytropon, in this particular case the instructions for the implementation of the procedure are very clear: use on an inactive system or SUM... so where's the bug... to suggest that it "should work" on an active system is confusing - if the author thought it important that it wouldl not work on an active system, perhaps he should have merely said "do not use on an active system"... that would be consistent and very clear. ;-) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 20:28:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 832371065676 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20:28:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from af.gourmet@videotron.ca) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 584B48FC19 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20:28:16 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Received: from [192.168.0.51] ([96.21.103.185]) by VL-MH-MR002.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-4.01 (built Aug 3 2007; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KRO00H4LE73VO50@VL-MH-MR002.ip.videotron.ca> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:28:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <4ADA28E2.903@videotron.ca> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:28:18 -0400 From: PJ User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) To: Warren Block References: <4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca> <20091017010758.088b8b8c.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AD9016E.20302@videotron.ca> <20091017000439.GA25910@stainmore> In-reply-to: Cc: Polytropon , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , Bob Hall Subject: Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20:28:16 -0000 Warren Block wrote: > On Fri, 16 Oct 2009, Bob Hall wrote: >> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 07:27:42PM -0400, PJ wrote: >>>>> BUGS >>>>> This utility should work on active file systems. >> >> I'm a native English speaker, and the manual makes perfect sense to me. >> It's very clear to me that since the statement is in the BUGS section, >> it means that the utility should, but doesn't. Since it follows a >> statement that the utility doesn't, the meaning is unambiguous. > > I understand it, but see ambiguity in the word "should". Easy enough > to rewrite: > > BUGS > This utility does not work on active file systems. > > Now here's my challenge to PJ: use send-pr(1) or the web PR interface > at http://www.freebsd.org/send-pr.html to submit this as a doc bug > report. > > That's how FreeBSD gets better, and how you help the next person in > the same situation. > > -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA > As I mentioned earlier, I do not understand what the author really intended, so I am out of place making any judgments. All I was saying is that my understanding of all the instructions I found was and still is confused... as I mentioned, changing this is between the author and whoever translated, if that is the case. For me, I would still like to hear from somone who could clear up the confusion... read my explanation of what I found in themanuals and you will perhaps understand what is confusing (tunefs and glabel appear to be stumbling over each other and criss-crossing instructions. >From the way things are written, it would appear that one must do tunefs before doing glabel and that they are interdependent. But tunefs says to do tunefs /home /disk-slice yet glabel is dealing with partitions... what does /home supposed to be a specific directory or a partition and how does it relate to the disk? And then, how does it relate to glabel? Manolis seems to have cleared things slightly on how to use glabel, but strangely it did not work for me. I am about to try again and will sen the fstab and ls disk prinouts as soon as I have another little problem sorted out... shortly or tomorrow. Sorry. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 20:28:51 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 883F91065676 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20:28:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from shell.rawbw.com (shell.rawbw.com [198.144.192.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 743E08FC18 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20:28:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eagle.syrec.org (c-24-6-221-126.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [24.6.221.126]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell.rawbw.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id n9HKSoVU050987; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 13:28:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4ADA2901.2020901@rawbw.com> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 13:28:49 -0700 From: Yuri User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090824) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "b. f." References: <4AD9E780.5070604@rawbw.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why Linux executable googleearth can't find proper libstdc++.so.6 ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: yuri@rawbw.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20:28:51 -0000 b. f. wrote: > > That entry also says that Fedora 8 can be used, which was the latest > Linux base port at the time the entry was made, and the skype port > Makefile says Fedora Core 6 __or later__ can be used. So presumably > later Linux base ports will also work: try the most recent Linux base > emulation port that is available for your platform. > With those lines in /etc/make.conf: OVERRIDE_LINUX_BASE_PORT=f10 OVERRIDE_LINUX_NONBASE_PORTS=f10 everything works. But with f8 there were still problems. How would people know that they should set f10? Ideally this should be done my portupgrade. Or, at the very least, there should be a corresponding record in /usr/pots/UPGRADING. Record 20090831 mentions f10 in connection with some other port, but not as a general recommendation. Yuri From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 20:43:47 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AFBE106566B for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20:43:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from shell.rawbw.com (shell.rawbw.com [198.144.192.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70A938FC0A for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20:43:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eagle.syrec.org (c-24-6-221-126.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [24.6.221.126]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell.rawbw.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id n9HKhl5Z053945 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 13:43:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4ADA2C82.20705@rawbw.com> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 13:43:46 -0700 From: Yuri User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090824) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Why scim menu in skype missing languages? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: yuri@rawbw.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20:43:47 -0000 I upgraded to OVERRIDE_LINUX_BASE_PORT=f10 (from f6) in /etc/make.conf. And now scim menu from linux skype doesn't allow to choose any languages but English. How to fix? Yuri From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 21:10:40 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CEA3106566B for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 21:10:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from af.gourmet@videotron.ca) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 636918FC2B for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 21:10:40 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Received: from [192.168.0.51] ([96.21.103.185]) by VL-MO-MR001.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-4.01 (built Aug 3 2007; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KRO00IUGG5RON10@VL-MO-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:10:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <4ADA32D2.2020802@videotron.ca> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:10:42 -0400 From: PJ User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) To: Manolis Kiagias References: <4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca> <4AD8F651.1000001@otenet.gr> <4AD8FD82.8050306@videotron.ca> <4AD90066.60606@otenet.gr> In-reply-to: <4AD90066.60606@otenet.gr> Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 21:10:40 -0000 Manolis Kiagias wrote: > PJ wrote: > >> Manolis, my state of mind is quite clear... and I'm coping with >> everything quite allright... I'm not about to get mad at anyone or >> anything... >> but tell me, honestly, when you see the stuff I have described above? >> Woldn't that confuse anyone in their right mind? >> >> >> > > I am sorry, but there is something here, either some mistake on your > part or some other weird problem on your system I can not think of. > > I don't seem to remember glabel ever failing to store metadata, unless > 1) The device is non-existing 2) The device is mounted. > As a matter of fact, I did the glabel stuff on a machine a few hours > ago. This was already fully installed, I rebooted single user and was > done in less than 2 minutes. > And yes, if you get a metadata error, it means nothing was done so you > are *not* to go and change fstab! > > Could you please send us /etc/fstab and the results of ls /dev/ad* > Here are the outputs: fstab: # Device Mountpoint FStype Options Dump Pass# /dev/ad12s1b none swap sw 0 0 /dev/ad12s1a / ufs rw 1 1 /dev/ad12s1h /backups ufs rw 2 2 /dev/ad12s1g /home ufs rw 2 2 /dev/ad12s1d /tmp ufs rw 2 2 /dev/ad12s1f /usr ufs rw 2 2 /dev/ad12s1e /var ufs rw 2 2 /dev/acd0 /cdrom cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 linproc /usr/compat/linux/proc linprocfs rw 0 0 df: Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/ad12s1a 2026030 319112 1544836 17% / devfs 1 1 0 100% /dev /dev/ad12s1h 50777034 4 46714868 0% /backups /dev/ad12s1g 50777034 6276538 40438334 13% /home /dev/ad12s1d 4058062 36 3733382 0% /tmp /dev/ad12s1f 50777034 5729324 40985548 12% /usr /dev/ad12s1e 2026030 176070 1687878 9% /var linprocfs 4 4 0 100% /usr/compat/linux/proc # ls /dev/ad* crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 97 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad0 crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 103 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad0s1 crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 101 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad10 crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 106 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad10s1 crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 121 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad10s1a crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 122 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad10s1b crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 123 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad10s1c crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 124 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad10s1d crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 125 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad10s1e crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 126 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad10s1f crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 127 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad10s1g crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 102 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad12 crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 107 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad12s1 crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 128 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad12s1a crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 129 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad12s1b crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 130 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad12s1c crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 131 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad12s1d crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 132 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad12s1e crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 133 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad12s1f crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 134 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad12s1g crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 135 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad12s1h crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 99 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad4 crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 104 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad4s1 crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 108 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad4s1a crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 109 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad4s1b crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 110 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad4s1c crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 111 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad4s1d crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 112 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad4s1e crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 113 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad4s1f crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 114 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad4s1g crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 100 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad6 crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 105 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad6s1 crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 115 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad6s1a crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 116 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad6s1b crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 117 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad6s1c crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 118 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad6s1d crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 119 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad6s1e crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 120 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad6s1f Sorry, but I don't see what this is going to tell you... ad0 is XP; ad10 is minimal FreeBSD 7.2; ad12 is 7.2 on 500gb; ad4 is 7.2 on 80gb; and ad6 is messed up FBSD I'm cheking & setting up with clone of ad12 (dump/restore) Now I will try the glabel again... # shutdown now # glabel label rootfs /dev/ad12s1a glabel: Can't store metadata on /dev/ad0s1a manual: "it is assumed that a single ATA disk is used, which is currently recognized by the system as ad0. It is also assumed that the standard FreeBSD partition scheme is used, with /, /var, /usr and /tmp file systems, as well as a swap partition." Now, does that mean that glabel does not work if there are several disks on the system... it certainly does not say so nor does it adv ertise that this would not work if there are several ATA disks present.. Previously I had also tried a reboot press 4 with exactly the same results.... So, what am I doing wrong... or where is the system screwed up... from my point of view, everything seems to work ok including Firefox, flashplugin, Openoffice, gimp, netbeans, etc. etc. etc. even conky... :-) Perhaps this is just a frustrating mental exercise as the system works without glabeling partitions... it just would save some work if it could be implemented... then, if I were to look at it as a businessman... why am I wasting so much time, energy and mental suffering when just changing a few files will do the same thing and take less effort... ohhhhh! what price intellectual curiosity..... ;-) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 21:24:31 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E40F41065679 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 21:24:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from af.gourmet@videotron.ca) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9B8E8FC1B for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 21:24:31 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Received: from [192.168.0.51] ([96.21.103.185]) by VL-MR-MR001.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KRO00H9GGSU1O90@VL-MR-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:24:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <4ADA3611.4030008@videotron.ca> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:24:33 -0400 From: PJ User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) To: Steve Bertrand References: <4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca> <20091017010758.088b8b8c.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AD9016E.20302@videotron.ca> <4AD90946.4020204@ibctech.ca> <4AD91DE0.3030701@videotron.ca> <4AD92127.1040702@ibctech.ca> In-reply-to: <4AD92127.1040702@ibctech.ca> Cc: Polytropon , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 21:24:32 -0000 Steve Bertrand wrote: > PJ wrote: > >> Steve Bertrand wrote: >> >>> PJ wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Polytropon wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:54:23 -0400, PJ wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>> but from man tunefs: >>>>>> BUGS >>>>>> This utility should work on active file systems. >>>>>> What in hades does this mean--just above it says cannot be run on active >>>>>> file systems. ??? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> It "should". This means: Don't try that. :-) >>>>> >>>>> My printer isn't printing! >>>>> But it should. >>>>> No, it is not printing! >>>>> Yes, but it should. >>>>> :-) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Aha! Gotcha! Whoever wrote that has made an unintentionnal booboo. It is >>>> a subtle difference and is indicative that whoever wrote it is not a >>>> native english user... the meaning is clearly "should be executed, done, >>>> carried out, performed" - should work means it can be carried out - I >>>> think the author meant to say "should not be done" >>>> >>>> >>> If you feel that you've found a 'bug' within the manual/documentation of >>> a piece of software or function, I highly recommend that you pass it by >>> other users/developers ( as you've kind-of done here ), and then contact >>> the person who is normally listed in the AUTHOR section of the man page >>> after you get a consensus on whether the manual, the code or you have >>> the bug :) >>> >>> If you believe the problem is an engish-linguistic one (and the man page >>> is written in english), let the author know this. Provide the correct >>> verbiage, and an explanation of what your words mean compared to theirs >>> (remember, english may not be their first language). >>> >>> Also, take a look at RFC 2119 for the keyword 'SHOULD' and 'SHOULD NOT'. >>> RFC 2119 is highly regarded as the authority for many keywords, and a >>> quick reference of it may help when trying to explain to an author where >>> you feel their documentation is incorrect (or lacking). >>> What in the world is RFC 2119? (that's a rhetorical question....) I prefer to stick to orinary dictionaries, like Oxford, Collins, Webster... then again, my college university studies were in English lit... but I'm afraid I have have neglected that and have been somewhat dragged down to the level of the "plebes" in the hope they may catch some of my meanings... :-D >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> >>> >> It is simple to understand Emglish but not so simple what was meant by >> whoever wrote it...I cannot correct something that I do not uderstand... >> come on, man, that should be easy to understand. >> > > I understand that I'm confused :) > > >> I am afraid that with all the globalization people still do not >> understand that translations should be left to experts... an by that I >> mean the final version should always, and I mean always, be by a native >> speaking person. >> > > That's an unfair thing to say. Are you saying that if someone with a > French native tongue wrote software that would benefit everyone, and > they wrote the manual in English to reach a broader audience, that the > manual shouldn't be released unless proof-read and re-written by an > English native? > YES! There are plenty of people who would be happy to help the guy get the translation right... would you want someone to get a hold of a weapon and then misuse it because the instructions are in sanskrit? > Vous faire ce travail, mon ami? Je n'aime pas d'accord avec votre > utilisation du mot doit. > You are definitely not a frog... ;-) > ...the manual is available. I didn't mean to dis-respect you, I just > meant that if one 'could' help, then the developer is the one to hit up. > > >> I speak english, french, italian, some spanish and german as well as >> latvian... but I would never attempt to translate into any language >> other than English... and then not without the help of the original >> language's originator. ;-) >> > > Nice... How 'bout Dutch ;) You will understand then: > > Ne dis pas que la documentation ne peuvent etre ecrites par un auteur si > leur lange nest pas une espece indigen. > Duh... that's not Dutch... Nice try... your Frenchreminds me of my German... "great pronunciation, but the grammar is horrible" ;-) Too many years ago I knew it well. > Steve > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 21:37:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77D351065679 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 21:37:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from af.gourmet@videotron.ca) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E0BE8FC14 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 21:37:17 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Received: from [192.168.0.51] ([96.21.103.185]) by VL-MH-MR001.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-4.01 (built Aug 3 2007; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KRO000YTHD4QYE0@VL-MH-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:36:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <4ADA38EB.5050900@videotron.ca> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:36:43 -0400 From: PJ User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) To: Bob Hall , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca> <20091017010758.088b8b8c.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AD9016E.20302@videotron.ca> <4AD90946.4020204@ibctech.ca> <4AD91DE0.3030701@videotron.ca> <200910170234.n9H2YeRI077329@asarian-host.net> <20091017034952.GA26451@stainmore> In-reply-to: <20091017034952.GA26451@stainmore> Cc: Subject: Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 21:37:17 -0000 Bob Hall wrote: > On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 02:34:40AM +0000, Mark wrote: > >> Actually, this has got very little to do with being a native English >> speaker or not. It's ere a matter of intonation (which, in writing, can >> only be conveyed to a certain degree, of course). 'Should' can certainly >> mean "Don't try that." As in: >> >> Will the ice hold me? >> Well, technically it should. >> >> (Meaning: it probably will, but I'm not overly confident.) >> > > Actually, what's happening here is dropping part of a sentence. It's > common in English to shorten > Yea, it should work, but it doesn't. > Absolutely not! There is nothing to suggest either statement above. If one says it should work, it can mean (of course, it changes within different contexts) that all is ok and normal conditions (whatever they may be) will allow things to function correctly. There is certainly no implication about confidence... where do you get that? It can mean ver confident just as well. And dropping a sentence is a very presumptuous assumption. "but is doesn't" is a specific condition... and there can me innumerable conditions. If you look at the immediate context of what we are dealing with here, the author has clearly stated "use in SUM" and that implies an unmounted system. If he considers using it on an active system as a bug, then he should be clear about it and say "do not use on an active system". > to > Yea, it should work. > In order to catch the meaning, you have to be aware of context. > > Contrary to the OP's claim, this shows a pretty good grasp of English > idiom. It's definitely not evidence that the man author is not a native > speaker of English. > > On the other hand, it can be clarified so that the meaning is clear even > without context. If the OP really believes that the present wording is a > problem, other people have made suggestions on what to do about it. > In the end, it's up to the author to clarify... I don't understand what he's trying to do as on my stem his instructions/example just do not work anyway. :-( > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 21:42:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99860106566B for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 21:42:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bf1783@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f218.google.com (mail-ew0-f218.google.com [209.85.219.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24E878FC13 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 21:42:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy18 with SMTP id 18so2815980ewy.43 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 14:42:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=YTIERAGNomYOEyFQgQaBzSRvnOXsZU4DwOR8Vt8BJDo=; b=oNoqUapjlS/mAkPFnm0puGCYyb4VyEcjNUsdCxPq3HK2zGj2vwQbqz0162qDFmc2MW SVHdAZMHugQrbUBs9N8Vc9f2GGM8Mny5blDjPh8OQxLw3aNbL5nQsMhuuFnVu/8qC1qD JLrrWZLHnC1sWqmPqoaS8egAh0TVim6m2UDBc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=sGoIsbH6Ib/4+xWiN3XVGqc9LNGOtkyjDaLHaBJ4kRbvViuprAO9Dv1DutjdQOvvPh W3eW+TAYK4jT784XInVpGt6FwaVnZ84K1YlgrpUz1toDVX0iB1r1iB8SKY1BTJ2VGost HfkkBYCPbt3HcyDtzftcyf/S1NBGcr9mx0ils= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.90.14 with SMTP id d14mr1133550wef.30.1255815764188; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 14:42:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4ADA2901.2020901@rawbw.com> References: <4AD9E780.5070604@rawbw.com> <4ADA2901.2020901@rawbw.com> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 21:42:44 +0000 Message-ID: From: "b. f." To: yuri@rawbw.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why Linux executable googleearth can't find proper libstdc++.so.6 ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 21:42:45 -0000 On 10/17/09, Yuri wrote: > b. f. wrote: >> >> That entry also says that Fedora 8 can be used, which was the latest >> Linux base port at the time the entry was made, and the skype port >> Makefile says Fedora Core 6 __or later__ can be used. So presumably >> later Linux base ports will also work: try the most recent Linux base >> emulation port that is available for your platform. >> > > With those lines in /etc/make.conf: > OVERRIDE_LINUX_BASE_PORT=f10 > OVERRIDE_LINUX_NONBASE_PORTS=f10 > everything works. But with f8 there were still problems. Yes, I only said that Fedora 8 probably worked for Skype, not that it had the necessary symbols for the new google-earth. :) > > How would people know that they should set f10? > The port maintainer for google-earth should put the necessary statements into the Makefile for that port in order to ensure that a sufficiently new Linux base port is used. Email him and suggest that he do so. If he doesn't respond, file a PR. > Ideally this should be done my portupgrade. Well, not by portupgrade itself, but by the ports infrastructure, so other ports management tools work as well. > Or, at the very least, there should be a corresponding record in > /usr/pots/UPGRADING. > Record 20090831 mentions f10 in connection with some other port, but not > as a general recommendation. > If you look at /usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk, you will see that Fedora 10 is now the default emulation port on new releases of FreeBSD (I don't know why it isn't on earlier versions: you can ask bsam@ why he chose 800076 as the cutoff, and not some other value. There may have been some feature missing from earlier versions of FreeBSD that was necessary to make emulation work well with the newer Linux software.): # Allow the user to specify another linux_base version. . if defined(OVERRIDE_LINUX_BASE_PORT) . if ${USE_LINUX:L} == yes USE_LINUX= ${OVERRIDE_LINUX_BASE_PORT} . endif . endif # NOTE: when you update the default linux_base version (case "yes"), # don't forget to update the Handbook! . if exists(${PORTSDIR}/emulators/linux_base-${USE_LINUX}) LINUX_BASE_PORT= ${LINUXBASE}/bin/sh:${PORTSDIR}/emulators/linux_base-${USE_LINUX} . else . if ${USE_LINUX:L} == "yes" . if ${OSVERSION} < 800076 LINUX_BASE_PORT= ${LINUXBASE}/etc/fedora-release:${PORTSDIR}/emulators/linux_base-fc4 . else LINUX_BASE_PORT= ${LINUXBASE}/etc/fedora-release:${PORTSDIR}/emulators/linux_base-f10 . endif . else IGNORE= cannot be built: there is no emulators/linux_base-${USE_LINUX}, perhaps wrong use of USE_LINUX or OVERRIDE_LINUX_BASE_PORT . endif . endif So most people will automatically avoid this problem on FreeBSD 8.x, and port maintainers should place additional safeguards in their port Makefiles to ensure that users on earlier supported versions of FreeBSD know what Linux base ports are acceptable. In general, when you read entries in /usr/ports/UPDATING, especially older entries, you should consider if anything has changed since those entries were made that may affect the advice they offer, because committers don't always revise older entries, and they may become stale. b. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 21:51:39 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1C78106566C for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 21:51:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rjhjr0@gmail.com) Received: from mail-px0-f192.google.com (mail-px0-f192.google.com [209.85.216.192]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EAD38FC0C for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 21:51:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pxi30 with SMTP id 30so2454642pxi.7 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 14:51:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:cc:subject :message-id:mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=MXt/KKpSbi0AMvo1KnalcQHWrzC+6nJNkNQK0jaGajI=; b=eMjDqIgrgnx5chM/DyzsVFqqDF2dujY9w1lfAZJVyCF87jx7xHov38twZLCeLCL4zp JLVj8+BbCqaPFT3/Vzx1Xb2rSzWYCya2X45ZgzJPO+HT9XBVE7H2kSMrFEMoCsKT72gr vF7WStF+4ZAVDrBdl30AkY/Zlwi/apLNGQhUw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; b=gpTQkZdCUgQtng3K4A9uV6QmzWBj9BGzLvtAv/f7CteIHViAn3u0sodovF4IWIPoVl ZsmMfCtmNYEbTppqSbmcuFrpMXBQE4LxxZdRFIVXEtnap12uRSwdmF6sKaQw9vqo19xn ZJOkK63HlcXTPg1QVA0LTAkf1tQkDVivW9U2k= Received: by 10.114.249.24 with SMTP id w24mr1413500wah.146.1255816299041; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 14:51:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (ip98-163-115-74.dc.dc.cox.net [98.163.115.74]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 23sm535497pxi.13.2009.10.17.14.51.37 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 17 Oct 2009 14:51:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:51:35 -0400 From: Bob Hall To: PJ Message-ID: <20091017215135.GA29692@stainmore> Mail-Followup-To: Bob Hall , PJ , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca> <20091017010758.088b8b8c.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AD9016E.20302@videotron.ca> <4AD90946.4020204@ibctech.ca> <4AD91DE0.3030701@videotron.ca> <200910170234.n9H2YeRI077329@asarian-host.net> <20091017034952.GA26451@stainmore> <4ADA38EB.5050900@videotron.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4ADA38EB.5050900@videotron.ca> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 21:51:39 -0000 On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 05:36:43PM -0400, PJ wrote: > Bob Hall wrote: > > On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 02:34:40AM +0000, Mark wrote: > > > >> Actually, this has got very little to do with being a native English > >> speaker or not. It's ere a matter of intonation (which, in writing, can > >> only be conveyed to a certain degree, of course). 'Should' can certainly > >> mean "Don't try that." As in: > >> > >> Will the ice hold me? > >> Well, technically it should. > >> > >> (Meaning: it probably will, but I'm not overly confident.) > >> > > > > Actually, what's happening here is dropping part of a sentence. It's > > common in English to shorten > > Yea, it should work, but it doesn't. > > > Absolutely not! There is nothing to suggest either statement above. If > one says it should work, it can mean (of course, it changes within > different contexts) that all is ok and normal conditions (whatever they > may be) will allow things to function correctly. There is certainly no > implication about confidence... where do you get that? >From common English usage. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 21:55:18 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E34581065692 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 21:55:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from af.gourmet@videotron.ca) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBDC58FC1F for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 21:55:17 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Received: from [192.168.0.51] ([96.21.103.185]) by VL-MH-MR002.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-4.01 (built Aug 3 2007; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KRO000IJI845480@VL-MH-MR002.ip.videotron.ca> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:55:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <4ADA3D48.70307@videotron.ca> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:55:20 -0400 From: PJ User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) To: michael References: <4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca> <4AD95740.6010408@gmail.com> In-reply-to: <4AD95740.6010408@gmail.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 21:55:18 -0000 michael wrote: > PJ wrote: >> Why is it that the manual pages, as thorough as they may be, are very, >> very confusing. >> Perhaps I am being too wary, but I find that too many >> instructions/examples are stumbling blocks to appreciation of the whole >> system: >> for instance, let's look at the instructions for changing disk labels >> with glabel or is it tunefs ? >> man glabel(8): >> >> for UFS the file system label is set with >> tunefs(8) >> . >> >> what happened to glabel? >> man tunefs(8) >> The *tunefs* utility cannot be >> run on an active file system. To change an active file system, it must >> be downgraded to read-only or unmounted. >> >> So, you have to run tunefs from an active file system to modify another >> disk? >> but from man tunefs: >> BUGS >> This utility should work on active file systems. >> What in hades does this mean--just above it says cannot be run on active >> file systems. ??? >> To change the root file >> system, the system must be rebooted after the file system is tuned. >> >> You can tune a file system, but you cannot tune a fish. >> How cute... And fish eat bugs. >> >> Seriously, now to the manual: >> To create a permanent label for a UFS2 file system without destroying >> any data, issue the following command: >> # tunefs -L /home/ /dev/da3 >> >> Oh? home is what? What does this have to do with the partitions? >> Here's from man glabel(8): >> >> EXAMPLES >> The following example shows how to set up a label for disk ``da2'', cre- >> ate a file system on it, and mount it: >> glabel label -v usr /dev/da2 >> newfs /dev/label/usr >> mount /dev/label/usr /usr >> [...] >> umount /usr >> glabel stop usr >> glabel unload >> >> The next example shows how to set up a label for a UFS file system: >> tunefs -L data /dev/da4s1a >> mount /dev/ufs/data /mnt/data >> >> Am I to understand that glabel is only for a new system? What's with the >> newfs... I'm trying to set labels on an system that is already set up. >> And, the glabel examle above is not for UFS file systems? Oh, that's for >> tunefs? >> So why are we even dealing with this glabel? >> >> from manual: >> # tunefs -L /home/ //dev/da3/ >> A label should now exist in /dev/ufs which may be added to /etc/fstab: >> /dev/ufs/home /home ufs rw 2 2 >> >> Why? Is this necessary? and somewhere I saw "tunefs -L volume >> /dev/da0s1a" or something like that. Does that mean that each partition >> should be tunefsd? Maybe the guys who programmed this stuff understand; >> I sure don't. I just want to be able to set the labels according to what >> they say can be done... so shy not have a clear and concise explanation? >> >> Do people who write this stuff ever read it? Tell me that its clear and >> simple and to the point... so far, I have been running back and forth >> between half a dozen web pages trying to understand what is going >> on... and doing things through a dense fog does not produce creative >> results! >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > ok, in short since i didn't see anyone answer this directly, your > question of tunefs vs glabel: > > tunefs is for UFS: it labels a UFS filesystem, no matter the device, > ie: ad or da. tunefs is part of the filesystem utilities for UFS. > good example, can't tunefs -L SWAP /dev/ad0s1b if it is a swap. you > can glabel it. > > glabel is for labeling a device itself. you can glabel an ntfs > filesystem or ext2, whatever. > > Thanks for that, Michael. But can you explain what this means? It just is not clear for me. "# tu;nefs -L home /dev/da3" This puts a label on that disk? So now it can be referred to as home? da3 = home ? I'll try to delve into the man glabel further... but things still look murky. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 22:10:31 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 795731065676 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:10:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 356888FC14 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:10:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-71-245.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.71.245]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 725251DD55; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 00:10:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n9HMASK2001426; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 00:10:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 00:10:28 +0200 From: Polytropon To: PJ Message-Id: <20091018001028.cd0dfa22.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4ADA28E2.903@videotron.ca> References: <4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca> <20091017010758.088b8b8c.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AD9016E.20302@videotron.ca> <20091017000439.GA25910@stainmore> <4ADA28E2.903@videotron.ca> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Polytropon , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , Bob Hall Subject: Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:10:31 -0000 On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:28:18 -0400, PJ wrote: > From the way things are written, it would appear that one must do tunefs > before doing glabel and that they are interdependent. As it has been mentioned ealier and as far as I understood: "tunefs -L" is for UFS file systems only, while "glabel label" is for any media. > But tunefs says to > do tunefs /home /disk-slice yet glabel is dealing with partitions... No. Slices aren't involved here. Only partitions can hold file systems, and that is what labelling is about. > what does /home supposed to be a specific directory or a partition and > how does it relate to the disk? First ofg all, /home is just an arbitrary mount point; in fact, it is just a directory. The /etc/fstab file is the means that "connects" this directory to a device (in this case, a disk partition holding a file system). For example, if you # fsck /home and /home is mounted from /dev/ad0s1g, then the device ad0s1g will be checked. You CAN ONLY check devices. When you now remove the entry for /home from /etc/fstab, the command # fsck /home will fail. Still, you can check this partition, but you need to know its exact name, which would make # fsck /dev/ad0s1g the correct command. > And then, how does it relate to glabel? The glabel can be used on any media, such as FreeBSD's UFS partitions. Those labels can take the place of the device in the /etc/fstab file, but so can UFSIDs as well as tunefs -L labels (for UFS file systems only). > Manolis seems to have cleared things slightly on how to use glabel, but > strangely it did not work for me. I am about to try again and will sen > the fstab and ls disk prinouts as soon as I have another little problem > sorted out... shortly or tomorrow. Sorry. Would be interesting. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 22:17:31 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91C5E1065676 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:17:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Received: from ostracod.unsane.co.uk (unsane-pt.tunnel.tserv5.lon1.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f08:110::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4F078FC21 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:17:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vhoffman-macbook.local ([10.0.0.173]) (authenticated bits=0) by ostracod.unsane.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9INHksf030161 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 18 Oct 2009 23:17:46 GMT (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Message-ID: <4ADA4279.4080006@unsane.co.uk> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 23:17:29 +0100 From: Vincent Hoffman User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PJ References: <4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca> <4AD95740.6010408@gmail.com> <4ADA3D48.70307@videotron.ca> In-Reply-To: <4ADA3D48.70307@videotron.ca> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: michael , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:17:32 -0000 PJ wrote: > michael wrote: > >> PJ wrote: >> >>> Why is it that the manual pages, as thorough as they may be, are very, >>> very confusing. >>> Perhaps I am being too wary, but I find that too many >>> instructions/examples are stumbling blocks to appreciation of the whole >>> system: >>> for instance, let's look at the instructions for changing disk labels >>> with glabel or is it tunefs ? >>> man glabel(8): >>> >>> for UFS the file system label is set with >>> tunefs(8) >>> . >>> >>> what happened to glabel? >>> man tunefs(8) >>> The *tunefs* utility cannot be >>> run on an active file system. To change an active file system, it must >>> be downgraded to read-only or unmounted. >>> >>> So, you have to run tunefs from an active file system to modify another >>> disk? >>> but from man tunefs: >>> BUGS >>> This utility should work on active file systems. >>> What in hades does this mean--just above it says cannot be run on active >>> file systems. ??? >>> To change the root file >>> system, the system must be rebooted after the file system is tuned. >>> >>> You can tune a file system, but you cannot tune a fish. >>> How cute... And fish eat bugs. >>> >>> Seriously, now to the manual: >>> To create a permanent label for a UFS2 file system without destroying >>> any data, issue the following command: >>> # tunefs -L /home/ /dev/da3 >>> >>> Oh? home is what? What does this have to do with the partitions? >>> Here's from man glabel(8): >>> >>> EXAMPLES >>> The following example shows how to set up a label for disk ``da2'', cre- >>> ate a file system on it, and mount it: >>> glabel label -v usr /dev/da2 >>> newfs /dev/label/usr >>> mount /dev/label/usr /usr >>> [...] >>> umount /usr >>> glabel stop usr >>> glabel unload >>> >>> The next example shows how to set up a label for a UFS file system: >>> tunefs -L data /dev/da4s1a >>> mount /dev/ufs/data /mnt/data >>> >>> Am I to understand that glabel is only for a new system? What's with the >>> newfs... I'm trying to set labels on an system that is already set up. >>> And, the glabel examle above is not for UFS file systems? Oh, that's for >>> tunefs? >>> So why are we even dealing with this glabel? >>> >>> from manual: >>> # tunefs -L /home/ //dev/da3/ >>> A label should now exist in /dev/ufs which may be added to /etc/fstab: >>> /dev/ufs/home /home ufs rw 2 2 >>> >>> Why? Is this necessary? and somewhere I saw "tunefs -L volume >>> /dev/da0s1a" or something like that. Does that mean that each partition >>> should be tunefsd? Maybe the guys who programmed this stuff understand; >>> I sure don't. I just want to be able to set the labels according to what >>> they say can be done... so shy not have a clear and concise explanation? >>> >>> Do people who write this stuff ever read it? Tell me that its clear and >>> simple and to the point... so far, I have been running back and forth >>> between half a dozen web pages trying to understand what is going >>> on... and doing things through a dense fog does not produce creative >>> results! >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >>> >> ok, in short since i didn't see anyone answer this directly, your >> question of tunefs vs glabel: >> >> tunefs is for UFS: it labels a UFS filesystem, no matter the device, >> ie: ad or da. tunefs is part of the filesystem utilities for UFS. >> good example, can't tunefs -L SWAP /dev/ad0s1b if it is a swap. you >> can glabel it. >> >> glabel is for labeling a device itself. you can glabel an ntfs >> filesystem or ext2, whatever. >> >> >> > Thanks for that, Michael. > But can you explain what this means? It just is not clear for me. > "# tu;nefs -L home /dev/da3" > This puts a label on that disk? So now it can be referred to as home? > da3 = home ? > > yes. this makes a ufs label which you can access via /dev/ufs for example (my home system) jhary@ostracod (23:08:34 <~>) 0 $ ls /dev/ufs SCRATCH SSDROOT SSDUSR SSDVAR jhary@ostracod (23:08:39 <~>) 0 $ mount /dev/ufs/SSDROOT on / (ufs, local, noatime) devfs on /dev (devfs, local, multilabel) /dev/ufs/SSDUSR on /usr (ufs, local, noatime, soft-updates) /dev/ufs/SSDVAR on /var (ufs, local, noatime, soft-updates) /dev/ufs/SCRATCH on /scratch (ufs, local, noatime, gjournal) tmpfs on /tmp (tmpfs, local) devfs on /var/named/dev (devfs, local, multilabel) jhary@ostracod (23:08:41 <~>) 0 $ cat /etc/fstab /dev/ufs/SSDROOT / ufs rw,noatime 1 1 /dev/ufs/SSDUSR /usr ufs rw,noatime 2 2 /dev/ufs/SSDVAR /var ufs rw,noatime 2 2 /dev/label/SWAP none swap sw 0 0 /dev/ufs/SCRATCH /scratch ufs rw,noatime 2 2 tmpfs /tmp tmpfs rw 0 0 note there I have also used glabel on the swap (command used was glabel label /dev/ad10p1) One thing to note with label, if you mount/use the device by is raw node, the label disapears. ie: [root@ostracod ~]# swapoff -a swapoff: removing /dev/label/SWAP as swap device [root@ostracod ~]# swapon /dev/ad10p1 [root@ostracod ~]# ls /dev/label/ [root@ostracod ~]# swapoff /dev/ad10p1 [root@ostracod ~]# ls /dev/label/ SWAP [root@ostracod ~]# swapon -a swapon: adding /dev/label/SWAP as swap device This used to confuse me greatly :) Vince > I'll try to delve into the man glabel further... but things still look > murky. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 22:20:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1F19106566B for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:20:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8818B8FC15 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:20:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-71-245.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.71.245]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id A60021E1F6; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 00:20:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n9HMKe4H001449; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 00:20:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 00:20:40 +0200 From: Polytropon To: PJ Message-Id: <20091018002040.ceb40e34.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4ADA32D2.2020802@videotron.ca> References: <4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca> <4AD8F651.1000001@otenet.gr> <4AD8FD82.8050306@videotron.ca> <4AD90066.60606@otenet.gr> <4ADA32D2.2020802@videotron.ca> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Manolis Kiagias , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:20:43 -0000 On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:10:42 -0400, PJ wrote: > Here are the outputs: > > fstab: > # Device Mountpoint FStype Options Dump Pass# > /dev/ad12s1b none swap sw 0 0 > /dev/ad12s1a / ufs rw 1 1 > /dev/ad12s1h /backups ufs rw 2 2 > /dev/ad12s1g /home ufs rw 2 2 > /dev/ad12s1d /tmp ufs rw 2 2 > /dev/ad12s1f /usr ufs rw 2 2 > /dev/ad12s1e /var ufs rw 2 2 > /dev/acd0 /cdrom cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 > linproc /usr/compat/linux/proc linprocfs rw 0 0 Let me clean it up to the basics: /dev/ad12s1a / ufs rw 1 1 <- rootfs /dev/ad12s1b none swap sw 0 0 /dev/ad12s1d /tmp ufs rw 2 2 <- tmpfs /dev/ad12s1e /var ufs rw 2 2 <- varfs /dev/ad12s1f /usr ufs rw 2 2 <- usrfs /dev/ad12s1g /home ufs rw 2 2 <- homefs /dev/ad12s1h /backups ufs rw 2 2 <- backupfs Alphabetical order is so much nicer to the eyes. :-) The names after "<-" show arbitrary labels to be given to the partitions; in fact, you're free to name them "Bob", "Timmy" or something else fitting your individual naming scheme. It should be recognizable, so forget about my silly suggestions. :-) > Now I will try the glabel again... > # shutdown now > # glabel label rootfs /dev/ad12s1a > glabel: Can't store metadata on /dev/ad0s1a As it has been suggested, try this in SUM which you enter from system startup, not by partial shutdown. According to this command, you forgot to unmount disks anyway. > manual: "it is assumed that a single ATA disk is used, which is > currently recognized by the system as ad0. It is also assumed that the > standard FreeBSD partition scheme is used, with /, /var, /usr and /tmp > file systems, as well as a swap partition." > > Now, does that mean that glabel does not work if there are several disks > on the system... it certainly does not say so nor does it adv ertise > that this would not work if there are several ATA disks present.. I simply cannot imagine this, because you give the device name as a parametron to the glabel program. Maybe it's just mentioned because in most settings, ad0 is the boot disk, and FreeBSD is installed on this disk. The manuals cannot take things like massive multibooting into mind. Where would this end?! :-) > Previously I had also tried a reboot press 4 with exactly the same > results.... Really? Now THAT'S strange... > So, what am I doing wrong... or where is the system screwed up... from > my point of view, everything seems to work ok including Firefox, > flashplugin, Openoffice, gimp, netbeans, etc. etc. etc. even conky... :-) When you've entered SUM by running boot -s at the loader prompt - I'm not familiar with the number thingy boot menu - you could try first running fsck -f on the partition in question, just to be sure everything is okay, and then run the glabel command. For this time, don't try to begin with the root file system; try /tmp, it's "uncritical", and it's different from / which is mounted (hopefully ro), so all the requirements from the manual should be met. > Perhaps this is just a frustrating mental exercise as the system works > without glabeling partitions... it just would save some work if it could > be implemented... then, if I were to look at it as a businessman... why > am I wasting so much time, energy and mental suffering when just > changing a few files will do the same thing and take less effort... > ohhhhh! what price intellectual curiosity..... ;-) Priceless. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 22:24:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 568E11065676 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:24:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13ED68FC15 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:24:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-71-245.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.71.245]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11A361D97A; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 00:24:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n9HMOMbX001467; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 00:24:22 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 00:24:22 +0200 From: Polytropon To: PJ Message-Id: <20091018002422.9e5402cd.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4ADA3D48.70307@videotron.ca> References: <4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca> <4AD95740.6010408@gmail.com> <4ADA3D48.70307@videotron.ca> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: michael , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:24:24 -0000 On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:55:20 -0400, PJ wrote: > But can you explain what this means? It just is not clear for me. > "# tu;nefs -L home /dev/da3" > This puts a label on that disk? So now it can be referred to as home? > da3 = home ? Yes, exactly that's the purpose. In such a setting, da3 would refer to a SCSI disk, and "home" is the label. It can - CAN! - be mounted on the /home directory. # mount /dev/label/home /home But of course, any other mountpoint is fine as well. The setting in /etc/fstab will do the correct thing - if setup correctly. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 22:30:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40FA31065670 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:30:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vogelke@hcst.com) Received: from beta.hcst.com (beta.hcst.com [192.52.183.241]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03FE28FC18 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:30:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from beta.hcst.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beta.hcst.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n9HMUetV010610 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 18:30:40 -0400 Received: (from vogelke@localhost) by beta.hcst.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id n9HMUe8U010609; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 18:30:40 -0400 Received: by kev.msw.wpafb.af.mil (Postfix, from userid 32768) id DB832BE72; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 18:29:19 -0400 (EDT) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <20091016213732.GA61433@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> (message from Jerry McAllister on Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:37:32 -0400) Organization: Oasis Systems Inc. X-Disclaimer: I don't speak for the USAF or Oasis. X-GPG-ID: 1024D/711752A0 2006-06-27 Karl Vogel X-GPG-Fingerprint: 56EB 6DBF 4224 C953 F417 CC99 4C7C 7D46 7117 52A0 Message-Id: <20091017222919.DB832BE72@kev.msw.wpafb.af.mil> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 18:29:19 -0400 (EDT) From: vogelke+unix@pobox.com (Karl Vogel) Subject: Re: small question about tape-based dumps X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: vogelke+unix@pobox.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:30:42 -0000 >> On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:37:32 -0400, >> Jerry McAllister said: J> You can easily put more than one dump on a tape if there is room enough J> for them. I actually rewind and skip between each dump of multiples J> made to the same tape. I also use the no-rewind device for the tape. Whenever possible, I set aside a 4-8 Gb partition for a staging area. This has helped me avoid several nasty tape problems: a. Dump to a file on the staging area, compressing it if possible. b. Get an MD5/SHA1/whatever signature for the dump. c. Write it to tape. When all the dumps are finished, rewind the tape. Read each tape file, get the signature, and compare it to what you got before; this way, you know your backup is good. Tapes stretch and wrinkle, tape heads get out of alignment, tapes can "bleed" over time, etc. There are few things worse than trying to restore someone's file and finding out you have a screwed backup. Another advantage of a staging area is better tape use; if you're copying a single file to tape (most of which is still in cache from the signature check), the tape drive won't spend as much time polishing the heads waiting for something to write. -- Karl Vogel I don't speak for the USAF or my company The RAID was dirty *and* degraded (insert "your mom" joke here). --Mike Markley on Slashdot discussing Linux drives From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 22:31:02 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45D451065696 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:31:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04A9C8FC0C for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:31:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-71-245.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.71.245]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id E56CA1DE65; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 00:31:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n9HMV06G001491; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 00:31:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 00:31:00 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Vincent Hoffman Message-Id: <20091018003100.f69bf5e4.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4ADA4279.4080006@unsane.co.uk> References: <4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca> <4AD95740.6010408@gmail.com> <4ADA3D48.70307@videotron.ca> <4ADA4279.4080006@unsane.co.uk> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: PJ , michael , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:31:02 -0000 On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 23:17:29 +0100, Vincent Hoffman wrote: > yes. this makes a ufs label which you can access via /dev/ufs > for example (my home system) > jhary@ostracod > (23:08:34 <~>) 0 $ ls /dev/ufs > SCRATCH SSDROOT SSDUSR SSDVAR > [...] > /dev/ufs/SCRATCH on /scratch (ufs, local, noatime, gjournal) ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^ Wow! Last time I saw this was on EAW's WEGA (a UNIX System III compatible UNIX developed in the GDR for the P8000 workstation). There even was /etc/mount and /etc/fsck. :-) > /dev/ufs/SSDVAR /var ufs rw,noatime 2 2 > /dev/label/SWAP none swap sw 0 0 These two lines illustrate the different use of the results of "glabel label" for generic labels and "tunefs -L" for UFS labels very well. > note there I have also used glabel on the swap (command used was glabel > label /dev/ad10p1) A really honest question: What does the "p" in "ad10p1" indicate? I always thought swap partitions are something like "ad10b" (an own partition right after the root partition a). > One thing to note with label, if you mount/use the device by is raw > node, the label disapears. > [...] > This used to confuse me greatly :) Why make a label available for something to mount that is already mounted and cannot be accessed through this label while being mounted? :-) The kernel messages show such messages about removing labels as soon as devices are mounted in the "traditional" way. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 22:31:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CE7D10656A7 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:31:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from shell.rawbw.com (shell.rawbw.com [198.144.192.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 478808FC17 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:31:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eagle.syrec.org (c-24-6-221-126.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [24.6.221.126]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell.rawbw.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id n9HMVjWS078671; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 15:31:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4ADA45D0.9040709@rawbw.com> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 15:31:44 -0700 From: Yuri User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090824) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "b. f." References: <4AD9E780.5070604@rawbw.com> <4ADA2901.2020901@rawbw.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why Linux executable googleearth can't find proper libstdc++.so.6 ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: yuri@rawbw.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:31:46 -0000 b. f. wrote: > If you look at /usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk, you will see that Fedora 10 > is now the default emulation port on new releases of FreeBSD (I don't > know why it isn't on earlier versions: you can ask bsam@ why he chose > 800076 as the cutoff, and not some other value. 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Yuri From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 22:34:51 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC2501065672 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:34:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kikachi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vw0-f189.google.com (mail-vw0-f189.google.com [209.85.212.189]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80BDB8FC12 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:34:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws27 with SMTP id 27so1414022vws.3 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 15:34:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=xNn4yQHa9dzDjxg14JFUpN4woCHerqwIW+kecXpB/kQ=; b=QerQbOatvkWqJ/bhnoszj7bEfR+tRI4G0VCsYDWRIqXWsegBlL8uGIGnPkelhD3AtS LCEFSMRaQEAbcJ2i8o6bYPu9b8yCNPxL3V58mqx8R93M3shc4wsW6VoqynPmgURyxtTi TNiN7EPka0q7TVKn+fE55UbuZhz+uyvqu9lZ4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=SCrMtGdbIVUAGzguF2zV97eFHyTt64t77HLJJ3y/wu74cu3GDqQ0KjDBM7edfl1h3W CacsdkkkBgA/iQCfAtLjXJvgWE/+Bf2JYoDtr+NUB3WvvC+lVaE+Y7S1/Tz3DBI/2ZEf KLr8C4fuFI1FBglqjKcfrGg5U+ntFTyciE0wg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.89.2 with SMTP id c2mr6156916vcm.16.1255818890808; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 15:34:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4AD82945.2050503@infracaninophile.co.uk> References: <876d4ae10910151251g191a7a94g896fc57af54a6d72@mail.gmail.com> <4AD82945.2050503@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 06:34:50 +0800 Message-ID: <876d4ae10910171534o1202a3b0pa7c9c8d1dea321d0@mail.gmail.com> From: Kikachi Kozumi To: Michael Powell , Matthew Seaman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: phpMyAdmin install stopped in dependency 'libXau-1.0.4' X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:34:51 -0000 2009/10/16 Matthew Seaman : > Kikachi Kozumi wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I tried installing phpMyAdmin in an ezjail created jail already >> installed with apache22, mysql and php5 running FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE >> i386 with no X11 (headless). >> The port install failed when dependency 'libXau-1.0.4' configure >> couldn't find gnome-config: >> >> ... >> checking for XAU... gnome-config: not found >> configure: error: Package requirements (xproto) were not met. >> ... >> >> I'm not sure if this issue is specific to my system or is it a ports >> issue but I found that libXau-1.0.4 was in the ports tree since >> January 2009 so it's less likely to be an issue with the port itself. >> >> Right now I'm not sure if the required gnome-config is lost from my >> system or was never there in the 1st place. What can I do to continue >> with phpMyAdmin installation? >> >> I'm also curious why the phpMyAdmin port requires libX11 libraries to >> build while the phpMyAdmin website states that php, mysql and apache >> are the requirements for running phpMyAdmin? >> > >[snip] > >Try placing WITHOUT_X11=3Dyes into /etc/make.conf so it will build without= the >X related nonsense. > >-Mike > > Thank you. I added WITHOUT_X11=3Dyes to /etc/make.conf and that did the trick. > > > phpMyAdmin only depends on X through one of the optional extensions: > php5-gd. =A0If you disable the GD and PDF options in the configuration > dialogue you'll not need to install any X related dependencies. =A0Or > you can rebuild graphics/gd using 'WITHOUT_X11=3Dyes' if you want to be > able to generate PDF of database schemas etc through phpMyAdmin. > > Hmmm... as far as I can tell, gnome-config is not a run-time dependency > of phpMyAdmin even when compiled with all options enabled and with X11 > support in the gd libraries. =A0Either gnome-config is a build dependency > from somewhere way down the dependency tree (ie. only needed to build > something, not needed to run it) or you've got a misplaced 'USE_GNOME' > somewhere. =A0In general, USE_FOO is for port maintainers only and should= n't > appear in /etc/make.conf or any other Makefile that gets generally includ= ed > everywhere. =A0Use WITH/WITHOUT_FOO in /etc/make.conf to indicate global > preferences. =A0(Gentoo we ain't) > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Cheers, > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Matthew > > -- > Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 7 Pri= ory Courtyard > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Flat 3 > PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey =A0 =A0 Ramsgate > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Kent, CT11 9PW > > I've used WITHOUT_X11=3Dyes in /etc/make.conf and gotten phpMyAdmin installed. Thank for the advice regarding GD and PDF options. I'll keep them in mind. Won't be the last I'll see of phpMyAdmin. The port install failed when 'Configuring for libXau-1.0.4' - prerequisite of libX11 - couldn't find gnome-config. I just had this jail freshly configured less than a week ago as a BAMP server. I'm sure I haven't place USE_GNOME anywhere in the jail. The following is my pkg_info output, phpMyAdmin was the last thing I instal= led. # pkg_info apache-2.2.13 Version 2.2.x of Apache web server with prefork MPM. autoconf-2.62 Automatically configure source code on many Un*x platfo= rms autoconf-wrapper-20071109 Wrapper script for GNU autoconf expat-2.0.1 XML 1.0 parser written in C freetype2-2.3.9_1 A free and portable TrueType font rendering engine gettext-0.17_1 GNU gettext package gmake-3.81_3 GNU version of 'make' utility help2man-1.36.4_3 Automatically generating simple manual pages from progr= am o jpeg-7 IJG's jpeg compression utilities libcheck-0.9.6 A unit test framework for C libgcrypt-1.4.4 General purpose crypto library based on code used in Gn= uPG libgpg-error-1.7 Common error values for all GnuPG components libiconv-1.13.1 A character set conversion library libltdl-2.2.6a_1 System independent dlopen wrapper libmcrypt-2.5.8 Multi-cipher cryptographic library (used in PHP) libpthread-stubs-0.1 This library provides weak aliases for pthread functio= ns libtool-2.2.6a_1 Generic shared library support script libxml2-2.7.6 XML parser library for GNOME libxslt-1.1.26 The XSLT C library for GNOME m4-1.4.13,1 GNU m4 mysql-client-5.4.2 Multithreaded SQL database (client) mysql-server-5.4.2 Multithreaded SQL database (server) p5-Authen-PAM-0.16_1 A Perl interface to the PAM library p5-DBI-1.60.9 The perl5 Database Interface. Required for DBD::* modu= les p5-Data-ShowTable-3.3 Perl5 module to pretty-print arrays of data p5-Mysql-modules-1.2219 Perl5 modules for accessing MySQL databases p5-Net-SSLeay-1.35_2 Perl5 interface to SSL p5-Storable-2.21 Persistency for perl data structures p5-gettext-1.05_2 Message handling functions pcre-7.9 Perl Compatible Regular Expressions library pdflib-7.0.4 A C library for dynamically generating PDF pecl-pdflib-2.1.6_1 A PECL extension to create PDF on the fly perl-5.8.9_3 Practical Extraction and Report Language php5-5.2.11_1 PHP Scripting Language php5-bz2-5.2.11_1 The bz2 shared extension for php php5-ctype-5.2.11_1 The ctype shared extension for php php5-dom-5.2.11_1 The dom shared extension for php php5-extensions-1.3 A "meta-port" to install PHP extensions php5-filter-5.2.11_1 The filter shared extension for php php5-gd-5.2.11_1 The gd shared extension for php php5-hash-5.2.11_1 The hash shared extension for php php5-iconv-5.2.11_1 The iconv shared extension for php php5-json-5.2.11_1 The json shared extension for php php5-mbstring-5.2.11_1 The mbstring shared extension for php php5-mcrypt-5.2.11_1 The mcrypt shared extension for php php5-mysql-5.2.11_1 The mysql shared extension for php php5-openssl-5.2.11_1 The openssl shared extension for php php5-pcre-5.2.11_1 The pcre shared extension for php php5-pdo-5.2.11_1 The pdo shared extension for php php5-pdo_sqlite-5.2.11_1 The pdo_sqlite shared extension for php php5-posix-5.2.11_1 The posix shared extension for php php5-session-5.2.11_1 The session shared extension for php php5-simplexml-5.2.11_1 The simplexml shared extension for php php5-spl-5.2.11_1 The spl shared extension for php php5-sqlite-5.2.11_1 The sqlite shared extension for php php5-tokenizer-5.2.11_1 The tokenizer shared extension for php php5-xml-5.2.11_1 The xml shared extension for php php5-xmlreader-5.2.11_1 The xmlreader shared extension for php php5-xmlwriter-5.2.11_1 The xmlwriter shared extension for php php5-zip-5.2.11_1 The zip shared extension for php php5-zlib-5.2.11_1 The zlib shared extension for php phpMyAdmin-3.2.2.1 A set of PHP-scripts to manage MySQL over the web pkg-config-0.23_1 A utility to retrieve information about installed libra= ries png-1.2.40 Library for manipulating PNG images portmaster-2.12 Manage your ports without external databases or languag= es python26-2.6.2_3 An interpreted object-oriented programming language t1lib-5.1.2_1,1 A Type 1 Rasterizer Library for UNIX/X11 webmin-1.490 Web-based interface for system administration for Unix xcb-proto-1.5 The X protocol C-language Binding (XCB) protocol From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 22:41:40 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51E451065670 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:41:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Received: from ostracod.unsane.co.uk (unsane-pt.tunnel.tserv5.lon1.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f08:110::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD0FD8FC1A for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:41:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vhoffman-macbook.local ([10.0.0.173]) (authenticated bits=0) by ostracod.unsane.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9INfsJU031061 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 18 Oct 2009 23:41:54 GMT (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Message-ID: <4ADA4821.1040709@unsane.co.uk> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 23:41:37 +0100 From: Vincent Hoffman User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon References: <4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca> <4AD95740.6010408@gmail.com> <4ADA3D48.70307@videotron.ca> <4ADA4279.4080006@unsane.co.uk> <20091018003100.f69bf5e4.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20091018003100.f69bf5e4.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: PJ , michael , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:41:40 -0000 Polytropon wrote: > On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 23:17:29 +0100, Vincent Hoffman wrote: > >> yes. this makes a ufs label which you can access via /dev/ufs >> for example (my home system) >> jhary@ostracod >> (23:08:34 <~>) 0 $ ls /dev/ufs >> SCRATCH SSDROOT SSDUSR SSDVAR >> [...] >> /dev/ufs/SCRATCH on /scratch (ufs, local, noatime, gjournal) >> > ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^ > > Wow! Last time I saw this was on EAW's WEGA (a UNIX System III > compatible UNIX developed in the GDR for the P8000 workstation). > There even was /etc/mount and /etc/fsck. :-) > > > Heh nothing so arcane here, I just use it as a scratch (disposable content) disk. >> /dev/ufs/SSDVAR /var ufs rw,noatime 2 2 >> /dev/label/SWAP none swap sw 0 0 >> > > These two lines illustrate the different use of the results > of "glabel label" for generic labels and "tunefs -L" for UFS > labels very well. > > > > >> note there I have also used glabel on the swap (command used was glabel >> label /dev/ad10p1) >> > > A really honest question: What does the "p" in "ad10p1" > indicate? I always thought swap partitions are something > like "ad10b" (an own partition right after the root > partition a). > > > I partitioned my disk as GPT using gpart. no real reason, just because i could ;) this give partitions (p) instead of slices (s) (I think, not certain thats what the p and s stand for but it makes sense) I could also have used the gpt labels instead of generic glabel labels. [root@ostracod /scratch]# dd if=/dev/zero of=dsk bs=1m count=10 10+0 records in 10+0 records out 10485760 bytes transferred in 0.055245 secs (189804954 bytes/sec) [root@ostracod /scratch]# mdconfig -a -t vnode -f dsk -u 10 [root@ostracod /scratch]# gpart add -l MDDISK -t freebsd-ufs md10 md10p1 added [root@ostracod /scratch]# ls /dev/gpt/ MDDISK > >> One thing to note with label, if you mount/use the device by is raw >> node, the label disapears. >> [...] >> This used to confuse me greatly :) >> > > Why make a label available for something to mount that is > already mounted and cannot be accessed through this label > while being mounted? :-) > > The kernel messages show such messages about removing labels > as soon as devices are mounted in the "traditional" way. > > > Indeed, that makes sense. Vince > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 22:43:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 337D31065670 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:43:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@googlemail.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.155]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ED368FC18 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:43:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 22so738292fge.13 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 15:43:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=r2z9mmNEA5X2Y1ZCRLqF1Zf9nDbO4h2mt/eCLUDfdCY=; b=HBe0tWoX/7oXDM312LFNVoegUyeS4RLdXeiI8WTwCGHXEptoxUzvUzZCOPDuJPkon1 j/O8w+NTpOkUVw8Avco5c74JxOdtM6rdWjAXgZdUSt79eE/tzAyNMV8k/8Vk1Y2FpnV5 qcIauN506bdpCISPtnyfVymylVYSgf77n1Xnw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=w+PVAAAIZEXQG8AGPrKqBY1igniRMf5kLCrmltVzgPh4ELhIAfXKs5WTPOqyfwB/zb h7+slvzYruAug0o6EGR7FvR6dhi89FbXZaPOQMgU7ipRJlNmQQRoj1pqZDLGE7wApBq6 sOok33M7NYW65QFjCKc0dHkN8bj7n1foVSWGc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.181.163 with SMTP id m35mr276605hbg.175.1255819423416; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 15:43:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4ADA32D2.2020802@videotron.ca> References: <4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca> <4AD8F651.1000001@otenet.gr> <4AD8FD82.8050306@videotron.ca> <4AD90066.60606@otenet.gr> <4ADA32D2.2020802@videotron.ca> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 23:43:43 +0100 Message-ID: From: krad To: PJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Manolis Kiagias , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:43:45 -0000 2009/10/17 PJ > Manolis Kiagias wrote: > > PJ wrote: > > > >> Manolis, my state of mind is quite clear... and I'm coping with > >> everything quite allright... I'm not about to get mad at anyone or > >> anything... > >> but tell me, honestly, when you see the stuff I have described above? > >> Woldn't that confuse anyone in their right mind? > >> > >> > >> > > > > I am sorry, but there is something here, either some mistake on your > > part or some other weird problem on your system I can not think of. > > > > I don't seem to remember glabel ever failing to store metadata, unless > > 1) The device is non-existing 2) The device is mounted. > > As a matter of fact, I did the glabel stuff on a machine a few hours > > ago. This was already fully installed, I rebooted single user and was > > done in less than 2 minutes. > > And yes, if you get a metadata error, it means nothing was done so you > > are *not* to go and change fstab! > > > > Could you please send us /etc/fstab and the results of ls /dev/ad* > > > Here are the outputs: > > fstab: > # Device Mountpoint FStype Options Dump Pass# > /dev/ad12s1b none swap sw 0 0 > /dev/ad12s1a / ufs rw 1 1 > /dev/ad12s1h /backups ufs rw 2 2 > /dev/ad12s1g /home ufs rw 2 2 > /dev/ad12s1d /tmp ufs rw 2 2 > /dev/ad12s1f /usr ufs rw 2 2 > /dev/ad12s1e /var ufs rw 2 2 > /dev/acd0 /cdrom cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 > linproc /usr/compat/linux/proc linprocfs rw 0 0 > > df: > Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > /dev/ad12s1a 2026030 319112 1544836 17% / > devfs 1 1 0 100% /dev > /dev/ad12s1h 50777034 4 46714868 0% /backups > /dev/ad12s1g 50777034 6276538 40438334 13% /home > /dev/ad12s1d 4058062 36 3733382 0% /tmp > /dev/ad12s1f 50777034 5729324 40985548 12% /usr > /dev/ad12s1e 2026030 176070 1687878 9% /var > linprocfs 4 4 0 100% /usr/compat/linux/proc > > # ls /dev/ad* > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 97 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad0 > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 103 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad0s1 > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 101 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad10 > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 106 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad10s1 > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 121 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad10s1a > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 122 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad10s1b > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 123 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad10s1c > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 124 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad10s1d > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 125 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad10s1e > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 126 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad10s1f > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 127 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad10s1g > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 102 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad12 > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 107 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad12s1 > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 128 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad12s1a > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 129 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad12s1b > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 130 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad12s1c > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 131 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad12s1d > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 132 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad12s1e > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 133 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad12s1f > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 134 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad12s1g > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 135 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad12s1h > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 99 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad4 > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 104 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad4s1 > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 108 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad4s1a > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 109 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad4s1b > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 110 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad4s1c > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 111 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad4s1d > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 112 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad4s1e > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 113 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad4s1f > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 114 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad4s1g > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 100 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad6 > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 105 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad6s1 > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 115 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad6s1a > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 116 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad6s1b > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 117 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad6s1c > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 118 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad6s1d > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 119 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad6s1e > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 120 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad6s1f > > Sorry, but I don't see what this is going to tell you... ad0 is XP; ad10 > is minimal FreeBSD 7.2; ad12 is 7.2 on 500gb; ad4 is 7.2 on 80gb; and > ad6 is messed up FBSD I'm cheking & setting up with clone of ad12 > (dump/restore) > Now I will try the glabel again... > # shutdown now > # glabel label rootfs /dev/ad12s1a > glabel: Can't store metadata on /dev/ad0s1a > > manual: "it is assumed that a single ATA disk is used, which is > currently recognized by the system as ad0. It is also assumed that the > standard FreeBSD partition scheme is used, with /, /var, /usr and /tmp > file systems, as well as a swap partition." > > Now, does that mean that glabel does not work if there are several disks > on the system... it certainly does not say so nor does it adv ertise > that this would not work if there are several ATA disks present.. > Previously I had also tried a reboot press 4 with exactly the same > results.... > > So, what am I doing wrong... or where is the system screwed up... from > my point of view, everything seems to work ok including Firefox, > flashplugin, Openoffice, gimp, netbeans, etc. etc. etc. even conky... :-) > > Perhaps this is just a frustrating mental exercise as the system works > without glabeling partitions... it just would save some work if it could > be implemented... then, if I were to look at it as a businessman... why > am I wasting so much time, energy and mental suffering when just > changing a few files will do the same thing and take less effort... > ohhhhh! what price intellectual curiosity..... ;-) > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > come on its not hard !!! USE TUNEFS im pure zfs but with a little zvol trickery $ zfs create -V 10m test cannot open 'test': no such pool (root@carrera)-(23:39:18)-(~) 1 $ zfs create -V 10m system/test (root@carrera)-(23:39:26)-(~) 0 $ newfs /dev/zvol/system/test /dev/zvol/system/test: 10.0MB (20480 sectors) block size 16384, fragment size 2048 using 4 cylinder groups of 2.52MB, 161 blks, 384 inodes. super-block backups (for fsck -b #) at: 160, 5312, 10464, 15616 (root@carrera)-(23:39:44)-(~) 0 $ glabel status Name Status Components gptid/6d1d4467-7476-11de-a02b-001e8ca9b6e7 N/A ad5p1 gptid/55345c70-426b-11de-935d-001e8ca9b6e7 N/A ad7p1 ufsid/4a0f39b2979e06b6 N/A ad7 ufsid/4ada47b0b2c40249 N/A zvol/system/test (root@carrera)-(23:39:51)-(~) 0 $ tunefs -L test zvol/system/test (root@carrera)-(23:40:09)-(~) 0 $ glabel status Name Status Components gptid/6d1d4467-7476-11de-a02b-001e8ca9b6e7 N/A ad5p1 gptid/55345c70-426b-11de-935d-001e8ca9b6e7 N/A ad7p1 ufsid/4a0f39b2979e06b6 N/A ad7 ufsid/4ada47b0b2c40249 N/A zvol/system/test ufs/test N/A zvol/system/test (root@carrera)-(23:40:10)-(~) 0 $ mount /dev/ufs/test /mnt (root@carrera)-(23:40:24)-(~) 0 $ df | grep test /dev/ufs/test 19292 8 17744 0% /mnt or $ newfs -L test2 /dev/zvol/system/test /dev/zvol/system/test: 10.0MB (20480 sectors) block size 16384, fragment size 2048 using 4 cylinder groups of 2.52MB, 161 blks, 384 inodes. super-block backups (for fsck -b #) at: 160, 5312, 10464, 15616 (root@carrera)-(23:43:02)-(~) 0 $ glabel status Name Status Components gptid/6d1d4467-7476-11de-a02b-001e8ca9b6e7 N/A ad5p1 gptid/55345c70-426b-11de-935d-001e8ca9b6e7 N/A ad7p1 ufsid/4a0f39b2979e06b6 N/A ad7 ufsid/4ada48764edb7e70 N/A zvol/system/test ufs/test2 N/A zvol/system/test if you cant master glabel you should really et another job From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 22:44:15 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B04510656A4 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:44:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36C478FC12 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:44:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9HMiBfk089677; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:44:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n9HMiBGe089674; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:44:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:44:11 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: PJ In-Reply-To: <4ADA28E2.903@videotron.ca> Message-ID: References: <4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca> <20091017010758.088b8b8c.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AD9016E.20302@videotron.ca> <20091017000439.GA25910@stainmore> <4ADA28E2.903@videotron.ca> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.2 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:44:11 -0600 (MDT) Cc: Polytropon , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , Bob Hall Subject: Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:44:15 -0000 On Sat, 17 Oct 2009, PJ wrote: > Warren Block wrote: >> On Fri, 16 Oct 2009, Bob Hall wrote: >>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 07:27:42PM -0400, PJ wrote: >>>>>> BUGS >>>>>> This utility should work on active file systems. >>> >>> I'm a native English speaker, and the manual makes perfect sense to me. >>> It's very clear to me that since the statement is in the BUGS section, >>> it means that the utility should, but doesn't. Since it follows a >>> statement that the utility doesn't, the meaning is unambiguous. >> >> I understand it, but see ambiguity in the word "should". Easy enough >> to rewrite: >> >> BUGS >> This utility does not work on active file systems. >> >> Now here's my challenge to PJ: use send-pr(1) or the web PR interface >> at http://www.freebsd.org/send-pr.html to submit this as a doc bug >> report. >> >> That's how FreeBSD gets better, and how you help the next person in >> the same situation. >> > As I mentioned earlier, I do not understand what the author really > intended, so I am out of place making any judgments. If that long thread didn't convince you, certainly nothing I can add will do it. PR 139705 submitted. -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 22:47:58 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B0FB106566B for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:47:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f210.google.com (mail-fx0-f210.google.com [209.85.220.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C71C58FC17 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:47:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm6 with SMTP id 6so3573546fxm.43 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 15:47:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=zWURxCkOL74XZqmEcr+rVDrlhBYQNocmMtWopsi2ZGQ=; b=SraCI/2P/iXKXCB9rW12Mjgf/Lpdl5qB4s9BsnGgoHx3bj9Q70fcgjsf7vPGsp7plz IzTyY485F69QyX+JVrQd8jycrbPqQl02//4E9SS1aDp9Sr9VrSytKkBfKiofoEnLcGxx NBXcMUizv6jWl0BDck6cwBQfqe25L7CYrR5TQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=TbMwUWvc2wSGPqeB/VnXegeSQnmZlZGudqwH4yFk56Q8jQsthRpfJx83ARVh8eLKo9 ZEXsmnbJI7zOc+qccDctk0qlldCGSVp3PsSuxTvSFE8UsZMOU+bPCELOe7oQ0CHjAE0A e2SfTvSSRRQZKtBApDDPdq3TY5lzqjby+nB/k= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.145.5 with SMTP id q5mr279752hba.89.1255819676656; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 15:47:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4ADA3D48.70307@videotron.ca> References: <4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca> <4AD95740.6010408@gmail.com> <4ADA3D48.70307@videotron.ca> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 23:47:56 +0100 Message-ID: From: krad To: PJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: michael , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:47:58 -0000 2009/10/17 PJ > michael wrote: > > PJ wrote: > >> Why is it that the manual pages, as thorough as they may be, are very, > >> very confusing. > >> Perhaps I am being too wary, but I find that too many > >> instructions/examples are stumbling blocks to appreciation of the whole > >> system: > >> for instance, let's look at the instructions for changing disk labels > >> with glabel or is it tunefs ? > >> man glabel(8): > >> > >> for UFS the file system label is set with > >> tunefs(8) > >> < > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=tunefs&sektion=8&apropos=0&manpath=FreeBSD+7.2-RELEASE > >. > >> > >> what happened to glabel? > >> man tunefs(8) > >> The *tunefs* utility cannot be > >> run on an active file system. To change an active file system, it must > >> be downgraded to read-only or unmounted. > >> > >> So, you have to run tunefs from an active file system to modify another > >> disk? > >> but from man tunefs: > >> BUGS > >> This utility should work on active file systems. > >> What in hades does this mean--just above it says cannot be run on active > >> file systems. ??? > >> To change the root file > >> system, the system must be rebooted after the file system is tuned. > >> > >> You can tune a file system, but you cannot tune a fish. > >> How cute... And fish eat bugs. > >> > >> Seriously, now to the manual: > >> To create a permanent label for a UFS2 file system without destroying > >> any data, issue the following command: > >> # tunefs -L /home/ /dev/da3 > >> > >> Oh? home is what? What does this have to do with the partitions? > >> Here's from man glabel(8): > >> > >> EXAMPLES > >> The following example shows how to set up a label for disk ``da2'', cre- > >> ate a file system on it, and mount it: > >> glabel label -v usr /dev/da2 > >> newfs /dev/label/usr > >> mount /dev/label/usr /usr > >> [...] > >> umount /usr > >> glabel stop usr > >> glabel unload > >> > >> The next example shows how to set up a label for a UFS file system: > >> tunefs -L data /dev/da4s1a > >> mount /dev/ufs/data /mnt/data > >> > >> Am I to understand that glabel is only for a new system? What's with the > >> newfs... I'm trying to set labels on an system that is already set up. > >> And, the glabel examle above is not for UFS file systems? Oh, that's for > >> tunefs? > >> So why are we even dealing with this glabel? > >> > >> from manual: > >> # tunefs -L /home/ //dev/da3/ > >> A label should now exist in /dev/ufs which may be added to /etc/fstab: > >> /dev/ufs/home /home ufs rw 2 2 > >> > >> Why? Is this necessary? and somewhere I saw "tunefs -L volume > >> /dev/da0s1a" or something like that. Does that mean that each partition > >> should be tunefsd? Maybe the guys who programmed this stuff understand; > >> I sure don't. I just want to be able to set the labels according to what > >> they say can be done... so shy not have a clear and concise explanation? > >> > >> Do people who write this stuff ever read it? Tell me that its clear and > >> simple and to the point... so far, I have been running back and forth > >> between half a dozen web pages trying to understand what is going > >> on... and doing things through a dense fog does not produce creative > >> results! > >> _______________________________________________ > >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to > >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >> > > ok, in short since i didn't see anyone answer this directly, your > > question of tunefs vs glabel: > > > > tunefs is for UFS: it labels a UFS filesystem, no matter the device, > > ie: ad or da. tunefs is part of the filesystem utilities for UFS. > > good example, can't tunefs -L SWAP /dev/ad0s1b if it is a swap. you > > can glabel it. > > > > glabel is for labeling a device itself. you can glabel an ntfs > > filesystem or ext2, whatever. > > > > > Thanks for that, Michael. > But can you explain what this means? It just is not clear for me. > "# tu;nefs -L home /dev/da3" > This puts a label on that disk? So now it can be referred to as home? > da3 = home ? > > I'll try to delve into the man glabel further... but things still look > murky. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > he has a raw file system on that device, ie dangerously dedicated, no partitions etc From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 22:48:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF2DF10656C5 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:48:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonicy@otenet.gr) Received: from rosebud.otenet.gr (rosebud.otenet.gr [83.235.67.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13EF08FC19 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:48:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pulstar.local (athedsl-4468832.home.otenet.gr [94.71.112.80]) by rosebud.otenet.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n9HMmD1E025265; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 01:48:13 +0300 Message-ID: <4ADA49AD.9040304@otenet.gr> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 01:48:13 +0300 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PJ References: <4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca> <4AD8F651.1000001@otenet.gr> <4AD8FD82.8050306@videotron.ca> <4AD90066.60606@otenet.gr> <4ADA32D2.2020802@videotron.ca> In-Reply-To: <4ADA32D2.2020802@videotron.ca> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:48:16 -0000 PJ wrote: > Manolis Kiagias wrote: > >> PJ wrote: >> >> >>> Manolis, my state of mind is quite clear... and I'm coping with >>> everything quite allright... I'm not about to get mad at anyone or >>> anything... >>> but tell me, honestly, when you see the stuff I have described above? >>> Woldn't that confuse anyone in their right mind? >>> >>> >>> >>> >> I am sorry, but there is something here, either some mistake on your >> part or some other weird problem on your system I can not think of. >> >> I don't seem to remember glabel ever failing to store metadata, unless >> 1) The device is non-existing 2) The device is mounted. >> As a matter of fact, I did the glabel stuff on a machine a few hours >> ago. This was already fully installed, I rebooted single user and was >> done in less than 2 minutes. >> And yes, if you get a metadata error, it means nothing was done so you >> are *not* to go and change fstab! >> >> Could you please send us /etc/fstab and the results of ls /dev/ad* >> >> > Here are the outputs: > > fstab: > # Device Mountpoint FStype Options Dump Pass# > /dev/ad12s1b none swap sw 0 0 > /dev/ad12s1a / ufs rw 1 1 > /dev/ad12s1h /backups ufs rw 2 2 > /dev/ad12s1g /home ufs rw 2 2 > /dev/ad12s1d /tmp ufs rw 2 2 > /dev/ad12s1f /usr ufs rw 2 2 > /dev/ad12s1e /var ufs rw 2 2 > /dev/acd0 /cdrom cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 > linproc /usr/compat/linux/proc linprocfs rw 0 0 > > df: > Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > /dev/ad12s1a 2026030 319112 1544836 17% / > devfs 1 1 0 100% /dev > /dev/ad12s1h 50777034 4 46714868 0% /backups > /dev/ad12s1g 50777034 6276538 40438334 13% /home > /dev/ad12s1d 4058062 36 3733382 0% /tmp > /dev/ad12s1f 50777034 5729324 40985548 12% /usr > /dev/ad12s1e 2026030 176070 1687878 9% /var > linprocfs 4 4 0 100% /usr/compat/linux/proc > > # ls /dev/ad* > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 97 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad0 > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 103 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad0s1 > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 101 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad10 > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 106 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad10s1 > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 121 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad10s1a > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 122 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad10s1b > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 123 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad10s1c > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 124 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad10s1d > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 125 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad10s1e > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 126 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad10s1f > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 127 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad10s1g > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 102 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad12 > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 107 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad12s1 > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 128 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad12s1a > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 129 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad12s1b > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 130 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad12s1c > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 131 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad12s1d > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 132 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad12s1e > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 133 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad12s1f > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 134 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad12s1g > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 135 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad12s1h > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 99 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad4 > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 104 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad4s1 > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 108 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad4s1a > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 109 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad4s1b > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 110 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad4s1c > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 111 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad4s1d > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 112 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad4s1e > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 113 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad4s1f > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 114 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad4s1g > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 100 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad6 > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 105 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad6s1 > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 115 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad6s1a > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 116 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad6s1b > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 117 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad6s1c > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 118 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad6s1d > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 119 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad6s1e > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 120 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad6s1f > > Sorry, but I don't see what this is going to tell you... ad0 is XP; ad10 > is minimal FreeBSD 7.2; ad12 is 7.2 on 500gb; ad4 is 7.2 on 80gb; and > ad6 is messed up FBSD I'm cheking & setting up with clone of ad12 > (dump/restore) > Now I will try the glabel again... > # shutdown now > # glabel label rootfs /dev/ad12s1a > glabel: Can't store metadata on /dev/ad0s1a > > shutdown now will get you into single user mode, but / is still mounted read-write. Do a shutdown -r now and press 4 on the loader to get into single user mode. When the single user mode finishes booting and you get to the # prompt, '/' will be mounted read only and glabel will succeed > manual: "it is assumed that a single ATA disk is used, which is > currently recognized by the system as ad0. It is also assumed that the > standard FreeBSD partition scheme is used, with /, /var, /usr and /tmp > file systems, as well as a swap partition." > > Now, does that mean that glabel does not work if there are several disks > on the system... it certainly does not say so nor does it adv ertise > that this would not work if there are several ATA disks present.. > Previously I had also tried a reboot press 4 with exactly the same > results.... > > Aha, as I said above then. If you've done this and you are still getting the can't store metadata message, I am really out of ideas. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 22:50:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E3CF106566B for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:50:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@googlemail.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6690B8FC1A for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:50:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 22so739416fge.13 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 15:50:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=cjmA0Pw3czwJ+J58Hct4oHW45kj57pMu7h6WkA/h7pM=; b=EU37KhEC8pqMK5CLv+35rvNg7iv0bXoD/FI/dcOBW8wtazuyKn3j2/X0zVByBHvTI+ W/iSFX0J1V2r5nKfm2n5YMJ8T4DD0zhEOOh61VTe8KymRRS7TqN8/mf2d90UTfOOkBLt 2ACJgFwCk2BMe59jNoCOOjLwMqHEpgAFrXvLk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=Oq743ZIbJjFCc+RCLo5IFoFFRjBk5S5BZcJEY5xaOO9py/m8SN87MAt3oRfBK1rZzr lV+46sbOaCORQv3Bf6vqdPdiQu9PZIDGqWnaiBA4GpSK7J9KVPWSGnt9arE41v42w9B2 gpTYOD4cAVeiADCiAWgqcZN8tnfIBBkaqwC+g= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.182.163 with SMTP id q35mr267161hbg.70.1255819851220; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 15:50:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4ADA49AD.9040304@otenet.gr> References: <4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca> <4AD8F651.1000001@otenet.gr> <4AD8FD82.8050306@videotron.ca> <4AD90066.60606@otenet.gr> <4ADA32D2.2020802@videotron.ca> <4ADA49AD.9040304@otenet.gr> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 23:50:51 +0100 Message-ID: From: krad To: Manolis Kiagias Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: PJ , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:50:53 -0000 2009/10/17 Manolis Kiagias > PJ wrote: > > Manolis Kiagias wrote: > > > >> PJ wrote: > >> > >> > >>> Manolis, my state of mind is quite clear... and I'm coping with > >>> everything quite allright... I'm not about to get mad at anyone or > >>> anything... > >>> but tell me, honestly, when you see the stuff I have described above? > >>> Woldn't that confuse anyone in their right mind? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> I am sorry, but there is something here, either some mistake on your > >> part or some other weird problem on your system I can not think of. > >> > >> I don't seem to remember glabel ever failing to store metadata, unless > >> 1) The device is non-existing 2) The device is mounted. > >> As a matter of fact, I did the glabel stuff on a machine a few hours > >> ago. This was already fully installed, I rebooted single user and was > >> done in less than 2 minutes. > >> And yes, if you get a metadata error, it means nothing was done so you > >> are *not* to go and change fstab! > >> > >> Could you please send us /etc/fstab and the results of ls /dev/ad* > >> > >> > > Here are the outputs: > > > > fstab: > > # Device Mountpoint FStype Options Dump Pass# > > /dev/ad12s1b none swap sw 0 0 > > /dev/ad12s1a / ufs rw 1 1 > > /dev/ad12s1h /backups ufs rw 2 2 > > /dev/ad12s1g /home ufs rw 2 2 > > /dev/ad12s1d /tmp ufs rw 2 2 > > /dev/ad12s1f /usr ufs rw 2 2 > > /dev/ad12s1e /var ufs rw 2 2 > > /dev/acd0 /cdrom cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 > > linproc /usr/compat/linux/proc linprocfs rw 0 0 > > > > df: > > Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > > /dev/ad12s1a 2026030 319112 1544836 17% / > > devfs 1 1 0 100% /dev > > /dev/ad12s1h 50777034 4 46714868 0% /backups > > /dev/ad12s1g 50777034 6276538 40438334 13% /home > > /dev/ad12s1d 4058062 36 3733382 0% /tmp > > /dev/ad12s1f 50777034 5729324 40985548 12% /usr > > /dev/ad12s1e 2026030 176070 1687878 9% /var > > linprocfs 4 4 0 100% /usr/compat/linux/proc > > > > # ls /dev/ad* > > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 97 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad0 > > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 103 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad0s1 > > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 101 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad10 > > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 106 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad10s1 > > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 121 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad10s1a > > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 122 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad10s1b > > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 123 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad10s1c > > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 124 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad10s1d > > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 125 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad10s1e > > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 126 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad10s1f > > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 127 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad10s1g > > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 102 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad12 > > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 107 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad12s1 > > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 128 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad12s1a > > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 129 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad12s1b > > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 130 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad12s1c > > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 131 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad12s1d > > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 132 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad12s1e > > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 133 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad12s1f > > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 134 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad12s1g > > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 135 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad12s1h > > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 99 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad4 > > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 104 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad4s1 > > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 108 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad4s1a > > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 109 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad4s1b > > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 110 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad4s1c > > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 111 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad4s1d > > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 112 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad4s1e > > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 113 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad4s1f > > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 114 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad4s1g > > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 100 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad6 > > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 105 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad6s1 > > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 115 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad6s1a > > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 116 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad6s1b > > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 117 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad6s1c > > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 118 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad6s1d > > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 119 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad6s1e > > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 120 Oct 17 16:36 /dev/ad6s1f > > > > Sorry, but I don't see what this is going to tell you... ad0 is XP; ad10 > > is minimal FreeBSD 7.2; ad12 is 7.2 on 500gb; ad4 is 7.2 on 80gb; and > > ad6 is messed up FBSD I'm cheking & setting up with clone of ad12 > > (dump/restore) > > Now I will try the glabel again... > > # shutdown now > > # glabel label rootfs /dev/ad12s1a > > glabel: Can't store metadata on /dev/ad0s1a > > > > > > shutdown now will get you into single user mode, but / is still mounted > read-write. > Do a shutdown -r now and press 4 on the loader to get into single user > mode. > When the single user mode finishes booting and you get to the # prompt, > '/' will be mounted read only > and glabel will succeed > > > manual: "it is assumed that a single ATA disk is used, which is > > currently recognized by the system as ad0. It is also assumed that the > > standard FreeBSD partition scheme is used, with /, /var, /usr and /tmp > > file systems, as well as a swap partition." > > > > Now, does that mean that glabel does not work if there are several disks > > on the system... it certainly does not say so nor does it adv ertise > > that this would not work if there are several ATA disks present.. > > Previously I had also tried a reboot press 4 with exactly the same > > results.... > > > > > > Aha, as I said above then. > If you've done this and you are still getting the can't store metadata > message, > I am really out of ideas. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > easiest way is to boot in on a live cd/usb label it all up with tunefs and edit the fstabs then reboot off disks From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 22:51:39 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 863B4106568B for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:51:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael.copeland@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f218.google.com (mail-gx0-f218.google.com [209.85.217.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 393BB8FC0C for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:51:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk10 with SMTP id 10so2896712gxk.3 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 15:51:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=1RbTKvtv6tSddjjRSRnf7S7dyB8QUfm4zMsZnbYEXk0=; b=wttxQxsPr/7qUSXbABVjsU4TjjbGUX1DCCIRglqFn6VQxiHBgSAltVAgaM7W5xk/4d WAOUsRqmJKWOzTj0uhDrECrGBLwEdr27lVUZ//lBSR0dAtNPppZs6MYeixEM3UvD4Nsv sLJ7lS74RDAoY/oNp6Bg46YooawNYAV6a/IKM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=vvUzcvoRvkbRviMQmau3F+2U27Nf0kJKyzr1qCikLS2z64F2ICmLB+xRvOkMs0vRGu +TPgdj2LVT0pDbU2RVl3i2V0HIa625sIH2y48FWPqZRABQv7qfGaxpZsNeOMHOQfe6lt jdvCpGFE6K3J4uLmkGLJyrH0Rk07ml+WuKcVo= Received: by 10.150.101.1 with SMTP id y1mr5250782ybb.318.1255819898585; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 15:51:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.76? (99-166-165-150.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net [99.166.165.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 13sm295956gxk.5.2009.10.17.15.51.36 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 17 Oct 2009 15:51:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4ADA4A7C.6030003@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 18:51:40 -0400 From: michael User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PJ References: <4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca> <4AD95740.6010408@gmail.com> <4ADA3D48.70307@videotron.ca> In-Reply-To: <4ADA3D48.70307@videotron.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:51:39 -0000 PJ wrote: > michael wrote: > >> PJ wrote: >> >>> Why is it that the manual pages, as thorough as they may be, are very, >>> very confusing. >>> Perhaps I am being too wary, but I find that too many >>> instructions/examples are stumbling blocks to appreciation of the whole >>> system: >>> for instance, let's look at the instructions for changing disk labels >>> with glabel or is it tunefs ? >>> man glabel(8): >>> >>> for UFS the file system label is set with >>> tunefs(8) >>> . >>> >>> what happened to glabel? >>> man tunefs(8) >>> The *tunefs* utility cannot be >>> run on an active file system. To change an active file system, it must >>> be downgraded to read-only or unmounted. >>> >>> So, you have to run tunefs from an active file system to modify another >>> disk? >>> but from man tunefs: >>> BUGS >>> This utility should work on active file systems. >>> What in hades does this mean--just above it says cannot be run on active >>> file systems. ??? >>> To change the root file >>> system, the system must be rebooted after the file system is tuned. >>> >>> You can tune a file system, but you cannot tune a fish. >>> How cute... And fish eat bugs. >>> >>> Seriously, now to the manual: >>> To create a permanent label for a UFS2 file system without destroying >>> any data, issue the following command: >>> # tunefs -L /home/ /dev/da3 >>> >>> Oh? home is what? What does this have to do with the partitions? >>> Here's from man glabel(8): >>> >>> EXAMPLES >>> The following example shows how to set up a label for disk ``da2'', cre- >>> ate a file system on it, and mount it: >>> glabel label -v usr /dev/da2 >>> newfs /dev/label/usr >>> mount /dev/label/usr /usr >>> [...] >>> umount /usr >>> glabel stop usr >>> glabel unload >>> >>> The next example shows how to set up a label for a UFS file system: >>> tunefs -L data /dev/da4s1a >>> mount /dev/ufs/data /mnt/data >>> >>> Am I to understand that glabel is only for a new system? What's with the >>> newfs... I'm trying to set labels on an system that is already set up. >>> And, the glabel examle above is not for UFS file systems? Oh, that's for >>> tunefs? >>> So why are we even dealing with this glabel? >>> >>> from manual: >>> # tunefs -L /home/ //dev/da3/ >>> A label should now exist in /dev/ufs which may be added to /etc/fstab: >>> /dev/ufs/home /home ufs rw 2 2 >>> >>> Why? Is this necessary? and somewhere I saw "tunefs -L volume >>> /dev/da0s1a" or something like that. Does that mean that each partition >>> should be tunefsd? Maybe the guys who programmed this stuff understand; >>> I sure don't. I just want to be able to set the labels according to what >>> they say can be done... so shy not have a clear and concise explanation? >>> >>> Do people who write this stuff ever read it? Tell me that its clear and >>> simple and to the point... so far, I have been running back and forth >>> between half a dozen web pages trying to understand what is going >>> on... and doing things through a dense fog does not produce creative >>> results! >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >>> >> ok, in short since i didn't see anyone answer this directly, your >> question of tunefs vs glabel: >> >> tunefs is for UFS: it labels a UFS filesystem, no matter the device, >> ie: ad or da. tunefs is part of the filesystem utilities for UFS. >> good example, can't tunefs -L SWAP /dev/ad0s1b if it is a swap. you >> can glabel it. >> >> glabel is for labeling a device itself. you can glabel an ntfs >> filesystem or ext2, whatever. >> >> >> > Thanks for that, Michael. > But can you explain what this means? It just is not clear for me. > "# tu;nefs -L home /dev/da3" > This puts a label on that disk? So now it can be referred to as home? > da3 = home ? > > I'll try to delve into the man glabel further... but things still look > murky. > > tunefs -L HOME /dev/da3 will put the label /dev/ufs/HOME pointing to /dev/da3 . da3=home. exactly correct. the main idea behind that is that you can move the device around, etc. since fstab is looking in /dev/ufs/NAMES_OF_DISKS/PARTITIONS instead of /dev/da[0-9] type setup. you can move it to any controller and still boot(if you have the driver for the controller). the glabel command can label ANY disk/slice/partition. its great when you get away form the old mbr setup and switch to gpt. gpt lets you have an arbitrary number of partitions. and when you think about it, names are so much better than numbers anyway, its why we use DNS on networks. imagine having to remember every ip you have to use. peace From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 22:54:51 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2CCF106568D for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:54:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonicy@otenet.gr) Received: from rosebud.otenet.gr (rosebud.otenet.gr [83.235.67.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 610188FC08 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:54:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pulstar.local (athedsl-4468832.home.otenet.gr [94.71.112.80]) by rosebud.otenet.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n9HMsoA8026868; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 01:54:50 +0300 Message-ID: <4ADA4B39.2080408@otenet.gr> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 01:54:49 +0300 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PJ References: <4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca> <4AD8F651.1000001@otenet.gr> <4AD8FD82.8050306@videotron.ca> <4AD90066.60606@otenet.gr> <4ADA32D2.2020802@videotron.ca> In-Reply-To: <4ADA32D2.2020802@videotron.ca> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:54:52 -0000 PJ wrote: > > manual: "it is assumed that a single ATA disk is used, which is > currently recognized by the system as ad0. It is also assumed that the > standard FreeBSD partition scheme is used, with /, /var, /usr and /tmp > file systems, as well as a swap partition." > > Now, does that mean that glabel does not work if there are several disks > on the system... it certainly does not say so nor does it adv ertise > that this would not work if there are several ATA disks present.. > Previously I had also tried a reboot press 4 with exactly the same > results.... > > It does say "Example" on top. And then again: For this *example* it is assumed that a single ATA disk is used,... It doesn't say what will not work with it. It simply assumes some defaults to give a reasonable example. Now, don't tell me this is ambiguous too... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 23:03:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80F36106566B for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 23:03:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E6938FC0C for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 23:03:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-71-245.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.71.245]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BE1C1DA99; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 01:03:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n9HN36lp001632; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 01:03:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 01:03:06 +0200 From: Polytropon To: krad Message-Id: <20091018010306.3484ae98.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca> <4AD95740.6010408@gmail.com> <4ADA3D48.70307@videotron.ca> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: PJ , michael , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 23:03:08 -0000 On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 23:47:56 +0100, krad wrote: > he has a raw file system on that device, ie dangerously dedicated, no > partitions etc That's the standard mode for data disks that are not intended to be booted from. It's usable for USB sticks as well. There's no need for a slice. The comment "no partitions" is partially incorrect, because there is "kind of" a partition on the device. Note that this partition spans the whole device, which is indicated by the letter "c". In this case, /dev/da0 is /dev/da0c. I think it was in FreeBSD 5 when the "c" for "the whole" disk / partition has been "removed" (well, it's still there, it's the reason that you usually can't create da0s1a, da0s1b AND da0s1c, because da0s1c is da0s1), from the disk devices as well as from the acd devices (acd0c is acd0 today). At least, it's correct to say that there's one file system on the disk. Tools like fdisk and bsdlabel haven't been involved in creating it, just # newfs /dev/da0 was the tool of choice. I'd like to add that I've used this method on PDs (phase change discs) as well; they were introduced as da0 to the device directory. No need for slices because the whole disc should be used as one volume. A final note: You can, however, create multiple partitions on a device with no underlying slice, such as da0a, da0b, da0d, da0e etc. And FreeBSD can boot from it without problems. It's always the MICROS~1 stuff that has problems with it. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 23:04:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26B4710656C1 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 23:04:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr [150.140.141.169]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F98E8FC08 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 23:04:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr (unknown [10.1.0.143]) by poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 526BBEB4B78; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 02:04:32 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 453C24C8007; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 02:04:32 +0300 (EEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ceid.upatras.gr Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7HlzhLQZDgLV; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 02:04:32 +0300 (EEST) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl322-86.kln.forthnet.gr [188.4.46.86]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFB7A4C8006; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 02:04:31 +0300 (EEST) Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9HN4U63073296 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 18 Oct 2009 02:04:31 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n9HN4Thc073295; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 02:04:29 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: PJ References: <4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca> <20091017010758.088b8b8c.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AD9016E.20302@videotron.ca> <4AD90946.4020204@ibctech.ca> <4AD91DE0.3030701@videotron.ca> <20091017042443.dbc693c8.freebsd@edvax.de> <4ADA23FD.8020003@videotron.ca> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 02:04:21 +0300 In-Reply-To: <4ADA23FD.8020003@videotron.ca> (PJ's message of "Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:07:25 -0400") Message-ID: <8763adtyfe.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Cc: Polytropon , Steve Bertrand , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 23:04:34 -0000 --=-=-= On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:07:25 -0400, PJ wrote: > Just a note: I find it strange that nobody looked into the problem of > the confusion... I thought I had pointed out where the co;nfusion > arises... and no one seems to have either understood the > inconsistencies or bothere to read the explanation... oh well... let's > keep on blundering away... ;-) I haven't been watching this thread closely, but I vaguely recall your confusion was caused by a manpage. If you can point me at the manpage text and tell me what seemed confusing or, at least, not clear enough, we can always try to fix the manpage. BTW, if you happen to find more manpage text that needs clarification, it's always a good idea to post your comments to the freebsd-doc list. This way someone from the Documentation Team may see them and do something about the confusing manpage text. --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkraTXwACgkQ1g+UGjGGA7byWwCgoDC8hEcCb9dT8zcF6V9SogGH azAAniaB6KnHhyQtOodmVLJq2FGuNP/+ =caYl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 23:04:39 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0392610656C6 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 23:04:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3D5A8FC12 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 23:04:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-71-245.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.71.245]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5F661D9E5; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 01:04:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n9HN4aPZ001636; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 01:04:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 01:04:36 +0200 From: Polytropon To: krad Message-Id: <20091018010436.2f41da11.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca> <4AD8F651.1000001@otenet.gr> <4AD8FD82.8050306@videotron.ca> <4AD90066.60606@otenet.gr> <4ADA32D2.2020802@videotron.ca> <4ADA49AD.9040304@otenet.gr> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Manolis Kiagias , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , PJ Subject: Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 23:04:39 -0000 On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 23:50:51 +0100, krad wrote: > easiest way is to boot in on a live cd/usb label it all up with tunefs and > edit the fstabs then reboot off disks Yes, that's the most comfortable way. FreeBSD's live disc should be completely fine. There's no problem with "should work on / even if / is mounted ro". :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 23:05:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE7981065698 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 23:05:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (gate6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 592148FC1E for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 23:05:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9HN5RgB019661; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 00:05:29 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk n9HN5RgB019661 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=200708; t=1255820729; bh=ba/7+lS8Zl/GUOPWTb5+k/Uc/GZMpE6Vgsrcbom8gH4=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4ADA4DAF.1090700@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20S un,=2018=20Oct=202009=2000:05:19=20+0100|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|Organization:=20Infracaninophi le|User-Agent:=20Thunderbird=202.0.0.23=20(X11/20090823)|MIME-Vers ion:=201.0|To:=20Manolis=20Kiagias=20|CC:=20PJ=2 0,=20=0D=0A=20"freebsd-questions@freebsd. org"=20|Subject:=20Re:=20I=20hate=2 0to=20bitch=20but=20bitch=20I=20must|References:=20<4AD8EB8F.90109 00@videotron.ca>=09<4AD8F651.1000001@otenet.gr>=09<4AD8FD82.805030 6@videotron.ca>=09<4AD90066.60606@otenet.gr>=20<4ADA32D2.2020802@v ideotron.ca>=20<4ADA49AD.9040304@otenet.gr>|In-Reply-To:=20<4ADA49 AD.9040304@otenet.gr>|X-Enigmail-Version:=200.95.6|Content-Type:=2 0multipart/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha256=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D" application/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------------enig 682E09A141F545697732EE6B"; b=Tg+/nMLaJLVruL5UaYuKYLXUBHEdEr/pXvc2PS10am0/uo74M9/oqSkcHKdMS/WWU lLvgLbEfFH3d1882mViNjH2L+uWH+kPMlH0VGmfg993rWbjOUVkRNRLfGit366QOBZ wBBl3lYktZqKHu+Hj/Qh3mslhv8FSCgRexDrHBNk= X-Authentication-Warning: happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host localhost [IPv6:::1] claimed to be happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Message-ID: <4ADA4DAF.1090700@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 00:05:19 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090823) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Manolis Kiagias References: <4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca> <4AD8F651.1000001@otenet.gr> <4AD8FD82.8050306@videotron.ca> <4AD90066.60606@otenet.gr> <4ADA32D2.2020802@videotron.ca> <4ADA49AD.9040304@otenet.gr> In-Reply-To: <4ADA49AD.9040304@otenet.gr> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig682E09A141F545697732EE6B" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.2 at happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: PJ , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 23:05:34 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig682E09A141F545697732EE6B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Manolis Kiagias wrote: > PJ wrote: >> Now, does that mean that glabel does not work if there are several dis= ks >> on the system... it certainly does not say so nor does it adv ertise >> that this would not work if there are several ATA disks present.. >> Previously I had also tried a reboot press 4 with exactly the same >> results.... > Aha, as I said above then. > If you've done this and you are still getting the can't store metadata > message, > I am really out of ideas. Just a WAG, but sysctl kern.geom.debugflags=3D16 possibly? Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig682E09A141F545697732EE6B Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.13 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREIAAYFAkraTbcACgkQ8Mjk52CukIz/6wCfTI8ehFblDblDvsFGjpXtYRBE LooAn2oI0beaJF1Sx5BD4cf0w5ZNUF4I =bjwt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig682E09A141F545697732EE6B-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 23:10:57 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F861106566B for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 23:10:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (gate6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E601E8FC0A for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 23:10:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9HNAp0H019765; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 00:10:52 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk n9HNAp0H019765 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=200708; t=1255821052; bh=AL9q+UJ9SOpEGfYBrHLLrmXfQXdo/C0BaU1lx3gHAEk=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4ADA4EFB.30801@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20Sun ,=2018=20Oct=202009=2000:10:51=20+0100|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman=20 |Organization:=20Infracaninophile |User-Agent:=20Thunderbird=202.0.0.23=20(X11/20090823)|MIME-Versio n:=201.0|To:=20Polytropon=20|CC:=20Vincent=20Hof fman=20,=20PJ=20,=20= 0D=0A=20michael=20,=0D=0A=20freebsd-qu estions@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20I=20hate=20to=20bitch=20but=2 0bitch=20I=20must|References:=20<4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca>=20 <4AD95740.6010408@gmail.com>=09<4ADA3D48.70307@videotron.ca>=20<4A DA4279.4080006@unsane.co.uk>=20<20091018003100.f69bf5e4.freebsd@ed vax.de>|In-Reply-To:=20<20091018003100.f69bf5e4.freebsd@edvax.de>| X-Enigmail-Version:=200.95.6|Content-Type:=20multipart/signed=3B=2 0micalg=3Dpgp-sha256=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"application/pgp-signat ure"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------------enig1AAE13F5DDC05D9F36D174 49"; b=WHWb4Z52WBZsp+zgMPogve0yvJXPmOs7WY2df5hl/UEfX8Yd4qYSI0VvMAlbHj9dz oJS0CerXiKnLq6akuIrZ8zoUdR0vBr0LbFZZ9NoSa2X/uDHQ8WwiDPFMmsf3jXP+/F ctzEa5qFlRxaL1i4E5bYjJMWQrVrZDmX6SjYAuI0= X-Authentication-Warning: happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host localhost [IPv6:::1] claimed to be happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Message-ID: <4ADA4EFB.30801@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 00:10:51 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090823) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon References: <4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca> <4AD95740.6010408@gmail.com> <4ADA3D48.70307@videotron.ca> <4ADA4279.4080006@unsane.co.uk> <20091018003100.f69bf5e4.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20091018003100.f69bf5e4.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig1AAE13F5DDC05D9F36D17449" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.2 at happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: PJ , michael , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Vincent Hoffman Subject: Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 23:10:57 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig1AAE13F5DDC05D9F36D17449 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Polytropon wrote: >> note there I have also used glabel on the swap (command used was glabe= l >> label /dev/ad10p1) >=20 > A really honest question: What does the "p" in "ad10p1" > indicate? I always thought swap partitions are something > like "ad10b" (an own partition right after the root > partition a). ad10s1b is a traditional bsdlabel(8) generated partition. (ie. it's partition b on slice 1 of disk ad10) ad10p1 indicates use of gpt(8) partitioning. (ie. partition 1 on disk ad10) Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig1AAE13F5DDC05D9F36D17449 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.13 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREIAAYFAkraTvsACgkQ8Mjk52CukIwBvgCeNLiRyAH9ri6zinKMEL+ELlJP 7E4An100XZ5DmwW8QCp9ibR77AGHCCmk =aLK9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig1AAE13F5DDC05D9F36D17449-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 23:12:25 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E33C51065670 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 23:12:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9DAD8FC1D for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 23:12:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id n9HNBU9j066174; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 19:11:30 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id n9HNBUlo066173; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 19:11:30 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 19:11:30 -0400 From: Jerry McAllister To: PJ Message-ID: <20091017231129.GA66093@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 23:12:26 -0000 On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 05:54:23PM -0400, PJ wrote: > Why is it that the manual pages, as thorough as they may be, are very, > very confusing. > Perhaps I am being too wary, but I find that too many > instructions/examples are stumbling blocks to appreciation of the whole > system: > for instance, let's look at the instructions for changing disk labels > with glabel or is it tunefs ? > man glabel(8): > > for UFS the file system label is set with > tunefs(8) > . > what happened to glabel? > man tunefs(8) > The *tunefs* utility cannot be > run on an active file system. To change an active file system, it must > be downgraded to read-only or unmounted. > > So, you have to run tunefs from an active file system to modify another > disk? No, it clearly says tunefs CANNOT be run on an active filesystem. Then it says, in order to change an active file system you have to first make it a NOT active filesystem - eg make it read-only or just unmount it. > but from man tunefs: > BUGS > This utility should work on active file systems. > What in hades does this mean--just above it says cannot be run on active > file systems. ??? That means it is a BUG that it won't work on an active files system - eg that someone should fix this defficiency and make it so it will work on an active filesystem. The man writer thinks it 'should' be able to work that way. ////jerry > To change the root file > system, the system must be rebooted after the file system is tuned. > > You can tune a file system, but you cannot tune a fish. > How cute... And fish eat bugs. > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 23:13:37 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19B281065697 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 23:13:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonicy@otenet.gr) Received: from rosebud.otenet.gr (rosebud.otenet.gr [83.235.67.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AD868FC28 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 23:13:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pulstar.local (athedsl-4468832.home.otenet.gr [94.71.112.80]) by rosebud.otenet.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n9HNDYrI031848; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 02:13:34 +0300 Message-ID: <4ADA4F9E.5080009@otenet.gr> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 02:13:34 +0300 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Seaman References: <4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca> <4AD8F651.1000001@otenet.gr> <4AD8FD82.8050306@videotron.ca> <4AD90066.60606@otenet.gr> <4ADA32D2.2020802@videotron.ca> <4ADA49AD.9040304@otenet.gr> <4ADA4DAF.1090700@infracaninophile.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ADA4DAF.1090700@infracaninophile.co.uk> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: PJ , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 23:13:37 -0000 Matthew Seaman wrote: > Manolis Kiagias wrote: >> PJ wrote: > >>> Now, does that mean that glabel does not work if there are several >>> disks >>> on the system... it certainly does not say so nor does it adv ertise >>> that this would not work if there are several ATA disks present.. >>> Previously I had also tried a reboot press 4 with exactly the same >>> results.... > >> Aha, as I said above then. >> If you've done this and you are still getting the can't store metadata >> message, >> I am really out of ideas. > > Just a WAG, but > > sysctl kern.geom.debugflags=16 > > possibly? > > Cheers, > > Matthew > Ha, yes, the "shoot in the foot" sysctl :) Shouldn't be needed though - I was labelling a boot disk about half an hour ago and nothing else than pure 'glabel label' was required. There must be something else that stops it. Maybe running glabel with -v will help the OP (hopefully with a more detailed error message) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 23:22:27 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DB3A1065670 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 23:22:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C8C38FC08 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 23:22:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id n9HNLWVE066211; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 19:21:32 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id n9HNLVIf066210; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 19:21:31 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 19:21:31 -0400 From: Jerry McAllister To: Tim Judd Message-ID: <20091017232131.GB66093@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <1255727601.4640.4.camel@x1-6-00-11-09-00-e4-00.search.b.superkabel.de> <20091016213732.GA61433@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: Jerry McAllister , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: small question about tape-based dumps X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 23:22:27 -0000 On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 08:43:26PM -0600, Tim Judd wrote: > Replies inline > > On 10/16/09, Jerry McAllister wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:13:21PM +0200, Stevan Tiefert wrote: > > > >> Hello list, > >> > >> one example: If I have three partitions and I want to backup every day > >> these partitions, will I need 21 tapes? > >> > >> I ask because it seems it is not possible to place more than one dump on > >> one tape, isn't it? > > > > You can easily put more than one dump on a tape if there is > > room enough for them. Check out the mt(1) command. > > > > Something like mt fsf 1 will skip over the first dump file > > so you can write the second. mt fsf 2 will skip over two files, etc. > > That is dump files, not files within the dump. Each dump of a > > filesystem is one file. > > > > If you need to restore, it is just the same. The first dump is > > the first file. The second dump is reached by skipping 1 file > > with the mt command, etc. > > > > I actually rewind and skip between each dump of multiples made > > to the same tape. I also use the no-rewind device for the tape. > > > > So first dump is: dump 0af /dev/nsa0 / > > I understand that this creates a dumpfile on nsa0, and as I understand > tapes (which may be wrong, which I ask for clarification here).. To > mark a end-of-file to be able to fast-forward/rewind, why can't you > use: > mt -f /dev/nsa0 weof > > It's description in mt(1) says it writes the end-of-file mark at > current position You do not need to. dump alrady writes that when it finishes each time. If you to that, you will get a second one at that location. You do not need to do the rewind and mt fsf between each dump. I just do it to make it very clear to myself in my scripts what I am expecting and that I am doing it right. ////jerry > > > For second dump: mt -f /dev/nsa0 rewind > > mt -f /dev/nsa0 fsf 1 > > dump 0af /dev/nsa0 /usr > > So if we use weof, would the 2nd dump then be: > dump 0af /dev/nsa0 /usr > mt -f /dev/nsa0 weof > > > third mt -f /dev/nsa0 rewind > > mt -f /dev/nsa0 fsf 2 > > dump 0af /dev/nsa0 /var > > And 3rd: > dump 0af /dev/nsa0 /var > mt -f /dev/nsa0 weof > > > etc. > > > > when all done mt -f /dev/nsa0 rewind > > mt -f /dev/nsa0 offline > > And I've never used offline, guess I'll start now. > > > I have this all in a script that also writes an index file > > as the first file on the tape. > > > > Of course if you are doing a change dump the dump command is > > going to look more like: > > > > dump 1af /dev/nsa0 > > etc. > > > > ////jerry > > > >> > >> With regards > >> Stevan Tiefert > > > > Thanks for any input! > --TJ