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Date:      Fri, 1 Dec 2017 22:47:24 -0800
From:      "K. Macy" <kmacy@freebsd.org>
To:        Dustin Wenz <dustinwenz@ebureau.com>
Cc:        "freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org" <freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: bhyve uses all available memory during IO-intensive operations
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On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 9:23 PM, Dustin Wenz <dustinwenz@ebureau.com> wrote:
> I have noticed significant storage amplification for my zvols; that could
> very well be the reason. I would like to know more about why it happens.
>
> Since the volblocksize is 512 bytes, I certainly expect extra cpu overhead
> (and maybe an extra 1k or so worth of checksums for each 128k block in the
> vm), but how do you get a 10X expansion in stored data?
>
> What is the recommended zvol block size for a FreeBSD/ZFS guest? Perhaps 4k,
> to match the most common mass storage sector size?

I would err somewhat larger, the benefits of shallower indirect block
chains will outweigh the cost of RMW I would guess. And I think it
should be your guest file system block size. I don't know what ext4
is, but ext2/3 was 16k by default IIRC.

-M

>
>     - .Dustin
>
> On Dec 1, 2017, at 9:18 PM, K. Macy <kmacy@freebsd.org> wrote:
>
> One thing to watch out for with chyves if your virtual disk is more
> than 20G is the fact that it uses 512 byte blocks for the zvols it
> creates. I ended up using up 1.4TB only half filling up a 250G zvol.
> Chyves is quick and easy, but it's not exactly production ready.
>
> -M
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 3:15 PM, Dustin Wenz <dustinwenz@ebureau.com> wrote:
>
> I'm using chyves on FreeBSD 11.1 RELEASE to manage a few VMs (guest OS is
> also FreeBSD 11.1). Their sole purpose is to house some medium-sized
> Postgres databases (100-200GB). The host system has 64GB of real memory and
> 112GB of swap. I have configured each guest to only use 16GB of memory, yet
> while doing my initial database imports in the VMs, bhyve will quickly grow
> to use all available system memory and then be killed by the kernel:
>
>
>        kernel: swap_pager: I/O error - pageout failed; blkno 1735,size 4096,
> error 12
>
>        kernel: swap_pager: I/O error - pageout failed; blkno 1610,size 4096,
> error 12
>
>        kernel: swap_pager: I/O error - pageout failed; blkno 1763,size 4096,
> error 12
>
>        kernel: pid 41123 (bhyve), uid 0, was killed: out of swap space
>
>
> The OOM condition seems related to doing moderate IO within the VM, though
> nothing within the VM itself shows high memory usage. This is the chyves
> config for one of them:
>
>
>        bargs                      -A -H -P -S
>
>        bhyve_disk_type            virtio-blk
>
>        bhyve_net_type             virtio-net
>
>        bhyveload_flags
>
>        chyves_guest_version       0300
>
>        cpu                        4
>
>        creation                   Created on Mon Oct 23 16:17:04 CDT 2017 by
> chyves v0.2.0 2016/09/11 using __create()
>
>        loader                     bhyveload
>
>        net_ifaces                 tap51
>
>        os                         default
>
>        ram                        16G
>
>        rcboot                     0
>
>        revert_to_snapshot
>
>        revert_to_snapshot_method  off
>
>        serial                     nmdm51
>
>        template                   no
>
>        uuid                       8495a130-b837-11e7-b092-0025909a8b56
>
>
>
> I've also tried using different bhyve_disk_types, with no improvement. How
> is it that bhyve can use far more memory that I'm specifying?
>
>
>        - .Dustin



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