From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Dec 29 6:59:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp012.mail.yahoo.com (smtp012.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0C8B837B41F for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 06:59:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from unknown (HELO warhawk) (202.1.200.98) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2001 14:59:23 -0000 From: "Haikal Saadh" To: "'Annelise Anderson'" , "'leegold'" Cc: , Subject: RE: ppp.conf Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 19:59:16 +0500 Message-ID: <001301c19079$66fc5520$62c801ca@warhawk> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [cc'ed to doc, rant about ppp docs] *snip ppp.conf rant* > The man page for ppp is detailed but includes a step-by-step > description of what to do. > > Remember that FreeBSD has two different implementations of > the point-to-point protocol, user ppp and kernel ppp. You > use one or the other, not both. User ppp is the most up-to- > date and the one to which the ppp manual page refers (the > other is pppd). > > Also keep in mind that there's dial-up and dial-in. You > want to dial-up your ISP, not set up your computer (right > now) to accept dial-in. * snip* > > ppp-on, ppp-off, what's ppp.conf.sample? Print it out and spend a > > couple hrs figuring it out - is there a doc. that will take > me thru it > > line by line? Wwould be a real help for people of average > > intelligence. The man does have a point, I think, maybe we should take the default and papchap sections from ppp.conf.sample, and put it in ppp.conf.sample.for.plain.old.ISP or something of the sort. Speaking from personal experience, trying to construct my own ppp.conf file from the man page/handbook led me to nothing but misery...took the better part of a week before I wised, threw everything into the wind, and just substitued my ISP's phone number and logon info into the papchap section of ppp.conf.sample, and have never looked back. Honestly, I do believe that the docco does make mountains out of molehills. ( This was trying to get 3.1 on the 'net, have not read the new handbook section, but I think the manpage is definitely more useful as a reference than an instructional document. Nothing wring with that in itself, btw) I mean the sections for dial-in and ppp filters is helpful (and I did chase them up later, they are useful,), but I think it's an information overload for a newbie. I wholeheartedly recommend making the ppp.conf sample file the first stop before chasing up anything else. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message