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Date:      Tue, 13 Mar 2001 08:16:02 -0500
From:      The Babbler <bts@babbleon.org>
To:        Tony Maher <TMaher@entigen.com>
Cc:        mobile@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Bridging with 3C589D-COMBO on 4.2-RELEASE?
Message-ID:  <3AAE1D92.37D743FC@babbleon.org>
References:  <200103131032.VAA16508@shad.au.int.en-bio.com>

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Tony Maher wrote:
> 
>  Nate Williams wrote:
> 
>  > > Is this at all normal?
>  > > Is it at all normal for folks with laptops?
>  >
>  > My very strong suspicion is that you're boxed is misconfigured.
>
>  Maybe its just the particular laptop that gives trouble (mine is Dell inspiron
>  3500).  In doing a little testing for Boris Popov smbfs work he discovered
>  a certain problem only existed with Dell notebooks, his comment
>  "Wow, in all cases this is a Dell notebooks..."

My primary machine is a Dell Inspiron, too.

> 
>  The only common thing appears to be changes in  network but nothing
>  reproducable (except for the smbfs early versions and suspending while using
>  ppp). But its less than 1 crash a month and the laptops in use home/work
>  7 days a week.

Most of my crashes (probably all of them, but it's hard to tell) have
involved messing around with network paraeters and/or inserting/removing
a network card.

So there might be a pattern here . . .

>  tonym
>  ps. also more rarely I get an X problem that screws the machine too.

This could happen in Linux as well, so I don't think is O/S dependent. 
I've never had it happen on FreeBSd, but that's probably because I've
only been running a few months.  KDE does lockup at the KDE level on
logoff sometimes, but CTL-ALT-BS and CTL-ALT-F? will get control back. 
The troublesome lockups are at a lower level.

And it's *not* a memory starvation problem; I had *that* issue with
Linux owing to a Netscape bug that sometimes would make it start wildly
consuming memory, so I keep xosview up all the time to monitor memory
usage.

PS: A weird thing--I run the Linux version of Netscape, because the BSD
version crashes before it even brings up a window.  It doesn't have the
memory consumption bug!  (I mean it uses a lot memory, but under Linux,
Netscape would fairly frequently [like every few days] go on a memory
rampage where the memory meter would just start climbing towards
infinity, and I'd have to kill the Netscape process to prevent an
eventual memory-starvation crash.  That has *never* happened under
FreeBSD.

So my experience is: kudos to FreeBSD for better memory management, but
there seems to be some weakness in (of all things) the networking code. 
(I say "of all things" because FreeBSD advocates are frequently most
proud of the networking code . . .  indeed it's a reason I switched to
FreeBSD, but it's given me plenty of trouble.)


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