Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 10:56:28 -0500 From: Pedro Giffuni <pfg@FreeBSD.org> To: Dan Partelly <dan_partelly@rdsor.ro> Cc: Adrian Chadd <adrian.chadd@gmail.com>, freebsd-current <freebsd-current@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: DDB patches Message-ID: <564F42AC.4050404@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <8FCD1760-FD2C-4C08-837A-A2ADD2581FC3@rdsor.ro> References: <B6FDC307-13EB-48AC-8130-C597AB8C06F4@rdsor.ro> <B6BF97C8-9FE3-4ADE-A047-33AF0B879781@freebsd.org> <22918FB9-4DC2-438D-B9F0-C295DD273B50@rdsor.ro> <FE623ABB-F5D7-43AB-A7AA-8D3E5C09CE98@freebsd.org> <8FCD1760-FD2C-4C08-837A-A2ADD2581FC3@rdsor.ro>
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On 11/20/15 08:54, Dan Partelly wrote: > Hi Pedro, > > I think you confuse blackmailing with something much simpler and pragmatic. > One needs to asses how things work in your project for real before investing > too much time. > A template for blackmailing is usually in the form: "I will do this (usually involving saving the world and/or your evidently miserable life) but first you will have to do this (unrelated) thing to see that you are worthy." > Adrian was contemplating the fact that none writes code, so I had some code at the > hand with with I can see how things work around here. You want it, good. > You don't want it, its also good. I don't know about the (new) libxo discussion, but the ddb thing is unrelated to such discussion, and when I first looked at it it was not in good shape. You want to trash it… also good. > Its all the same to me. This process is aimed to give me an idea , if your workflow > works for me. > In my experience it is always easier for new contributors to adapt to the community than to re-shape it. You can try.. but there will likely be pain. > >> you discuss your idea and try to get some consensus in the lists/IRC/conferences. > > I am not particularly interested in promoting ideas and gathering consensus. I am not a > politician. I happen to believe that translating some utilities from the base to libraries > is a very valuable addition to the project. Id rather spend time with my familty and walk > around the city in nature with my GSD dog than embarking on some twisted political > campaign. > >> We are particularly NOT interested in code where the original contributor will walk >> away as soon as he/she receives criticism or has plans that do not match ours. > > Undeerstandable. > >> >> Libxo already went through this process. >> > > >>> Libxo already went through this process. > > It did, aint it ? And I seen what kind of “consensus” the xoification of base > caused. Apparently, adopted for no better reason than “someone wrote code” . > There was a GSoC that did a different implementation but libxo was specifically made for FreeBSD after a long discussion. That doesn't mean everyone is happy with it or that it is perfect but it went in through an open process. The process, call it politics or consensus or community building, is important in any opensource effort that aims to be sustainable. These days github makes it pretty easy for anyone to play with their new ideas to the limit. When I mean you can fork your own BSD, I mean it. You can experiment on your own without waiting on us to decide: eventually we may decide to bring it in ... Pedro.
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