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Date:      Sat, 9 May 2020 16:05:37 -0400
From:      Jerry <>
Subject:   Re: Microsoft Teams for Linux
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On Sat, 9 May 2020 20:02:16 +0200, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions
>On Sat, 9 May 2020 12:52:03 -0400, Jerry wrote:
>>Steve Jobs believed deeply in his own capacity to define new products
>>that customers did not even know they wanted, in the process
>>overturning other real markets in, for example, personal computers,
>>music, cell phones, tablet computing and animated movies.
>>Can you imagine where we would be today if someone with a set of balls
>>hadn't pushed the limits. Hell, he erased them. =20
>Gates and Jobs were not the creators of almost all those ideas, they
>were in the right place, at the right time and had good luck with
>personal circumstances, start-up capital. They were more ambitious
>businessmen than all those old inflexible businessman who were children
>of their times. Without Gates and Jobs somebody else with similar
>good luck would have grabbed the chances. This would have been bad for
>Steve Wozniak, but unlikely would have much impact on what we can
>consume nowadays. Without Albert Einstein we probably wouldn't have
>some of or new technology, such as GPS. I doubt that Jobs is that
>Actually my most important computer tool is an iPadPro. It's very good
>for artwork, but very bad for Internet usage. Most consumers are
>probably using their iPads mostly for Internat access, a domain that
>works way better when using a FreeBSD, Linux or Windows PC.
>You are right, they started selling products to users, who didn't know
>they want to have those products. Because a lot of people buy those
>products for usages that hardly work, as lifestyle products, the
>devices became less expensive, so a minority of nice users, such as
>artists, are able to get tools, that would cost more, without that
>sales strategy. My guess is, that somebody else soon or later would
>have done the same as Gates and Jobs, with equal success.

There is an idiom, "fortune favors the bold"; or to put it in language
any moron can understand, "No Balls, No Glory". The world is filled
with entrepreneurs like Fred Smith who started FedEx. They all had
visions and proceeded to implement their vision. Christopher Columbus
had a vision, got financial backing and made a killing in real

Your state, "Because a lot of people buy those products for usages that
hardly work ...". I believe the correct terminology is "hardly works
for you". This whole thread started with the OP stating that they could
not get MS Teams to work on FreeBSD. Hell, my car won't work either if
I fill it with diesel fuel, it is a gas model. The question is, is it
the manufacturers fault for making a gas propelled car or my dump-ass
for putting diesel in it?

I agree, if it weren't for Gates or Jobs, or a theoretical physicist
like Albert Einstein, life might be quite different today. In the end,
someone else would probably taken their place, but you can never say
that with complete confidence. In chaos theory, the butterfly effect is
the sensitive dependence on initial conditions in which a small change
in one state of a deterministic nonlinear system can result in large
differences in a later state. If Gates and Jobs were never born, it
might have been decades before home PC's became a reality, but we will
never know for certain.


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