RE: Chasing the kiddies (was: Named Keep crashing)

From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Apr 4 9:27:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mailman.thenap.com (mailman.thenap.com [209.190.0.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D51D237B72B for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 09:27:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drew.weaver@thenap.com) Received: by mailman.thenap.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 12:40:53 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Drew J. Weaver" To: "'heckfordj@psi-domain.co.uk'" Cc: "'freebsd-isp@freebsd.org'" Subject: RE: Chasing the kiddies (was: Named Keep crashing) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 12:40:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0BD26.031A6AE6" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0BD26.031A6AE6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Enh, Redhat only starts everything if it is configured to start everything, and has utilities (and manual ways) of telling it not to start everything -----Original Message----- From: Jamie Heckford [mailto:heckfordj@psi-domain.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 1:16 PM To: Drew J. Weaver Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Chasing the kiddies (was: Named Keep crashing) IMHO, redhat is a hell of a lot harder, due to the fact it launches every damn service you can think off, most of which are outdated and full of security holes, and when you try to update them linuxconf throws a fit becuase you didnt do it through a GUI. FreeBSD is a hell of a lot easier to set up as a server you can trust, without chewing your fingers off. Jamie On 2001.04.04 17:19 Drew J. Weaver wrote: > Just an off topic note here, FreeBSD, BSDi/OS and RedHat are all > of > equal "difficulty" to administer, I run all 3 and none of them make me > shiver in my boots. Not sure what point you're attempting to make here? > > --- quoth the raven, --- > > Everybody should start with a *nix running on a publicly accessable box. > (Note: Linux doesn't count here, except possibly really old versions of > Slackware. Damned RH makes things too easy. No X either - CLI, people!) > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Chet Hosey > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Bill Vermillion wrote: > > > On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 05:45:48PM +1000, Enno Davids thus spoke: > > > > > | > Is there any way to trace who is doing it? | > Running tcpdump > > > with certain filter settings to avoid logging everything and > > > filling the disk? > > > > > > > | Dont bother... Just install the fixed version of bind... > > > | Every kid with a script and an internet connection is probably > > > | doing this to you!!! > > > > > This response kind of bothers me. There was a time > > > when everytime I could sanely trace spammers I emailed > > > abuse@wherever.was.relevant to advise them. Similarly, when people > > > probed Apache I'd send off adivsory emails. > > > > If you find a way this works let me know. I've given up doing this > > because except for the most well known, I've received rejects from > > all mail addresses at the offending provider, root,abuse, > > postmaster, webmaster, etc. So I just gave up and put the in > > the REJECT list. > > > > Those days responsible people, and not quick buck artists, we're > > keeping the 'net running. > > > > > There was a time when if you probed the Apache on my machine it > > > winnuke'd you back. Moral issues aside, there _was_ a great deal > > > of satisfaction there... Needless to say, there's little mileage > > > in this now (damned M$ service packs!). :) > > > > I never was into 'revenge' or 'tit-for-tat'. > > > > Bill > > -- > > Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > > RE: Chasing the kiddies (was: Named Keep crashing) > > > >

Just an off > topic note here, FreeBSD, BSDi/OS and RedHat are all of equal > "difficulty" to administer, I run all 3 and none of them make > me shiver in my boots. Not sure what point you're attempting to make > here?

> >

--- quoth the raven, --- >

> >

Everybody should start with a *nix running on a publicly > accessable box. >
(Note: Linux doesn't count here, except possibly really > old versions of >
Slackware. Damned RH makes things too easy. No X either > - CLI, people!) >

> >

_____________________________________________________________________ ___ >

> >

Chet Hosey >
<chosey@nidhog.com> >
_____________________________________________________________________ ___ >

> >

On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Bill Vermillion wrote: >

> >

> On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 05:45:48PM +1000, Enno > Davids thus spoke: >
> >
> > | > Is there any way to trace who is doing > it? | > Running tcpdump >
> > with certain filter settings to avoid logging > everything and >
> > filling the disk? >
> >
> >
> > | Dont bother... Just install the fixed > version of bind... >
> > | Every kid with a script and an internet > connection is probably >
> > | doing this to you!!! >
> >
> > This response kind of bothers me. There was a > time >
> > when everytime I could sanely trace spammers I > emailed >
> > abuse@wherever.was.relevant to advise them. > Similarly, when people >
> > probed Apache I'd send off adivsory > emails. >
> >
> If you find a way this works let me know. > I've given up doing this >
> because except for the most well known, I've > received rejects from >
> all mail addresses at the offending provider, > root,abuse, >
> postmaster, webmaster, etc. So I just gave up > and put the in >
> the REJECT list. >
> >
> Those days responsible people, and not quick buck > artists, we're >
> keeping the 'net running. >
> >
> > There was a time when if you probed the Apache > on my machine it >
> > winnuke'd you back. Moral issues aside, there > _was_ a great deal >
> > of satisfaction there... Needless to say, > there's little mileage >
> > in this now (damned M$ service packs!). > :) >
> >
> I never was into 'revenge' or 'tit-for-tat'. >
> >
> Bill >
> -- >
> Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com >
> >
> To Unsubscribe: send mail to > majordomo@FreeBSD.org >
> with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the > body of the message >
> >

>
> >

To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >
with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of > the message >

> > > -- Jamie Heckford Chief Network Engineer Psi-Domain - Innovative Linux Solutions. Ask Us How. FreeBSD - The power to serve ===================================== email: heckfordj@psi-domain.co.uk web: http://www.psi-domain.co.uk/ tel: +44 (0)1737 789 246 fax: +44 (0)1737 789 245 mobile: +44 (0)7866 724 224 ===================================== ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0BD26.031A6AE6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Chasing the kiddies (was: Named Keep crashing)

Enh, Redhat only starts everything if it is = configured to start everything, and has utilities (and manual ways) of = telling it not to start everything

-----Original Message-----
From: Jamie Heckford [mailto:heckfordj@psi-domain.c= o.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 1:16 PM
To: Drew J. Weaver
Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org
Subject: RE: Chasing the kiddies (was: Named Keep = crashing)

IMHO, redhat is a hell of a lot harder, due
to the fact it launches every damn service = you
can think off, most of which are outdated and full = of security
holes, and when you try to update them linuxconf = throws a
fit becuase you didnt do it through a GUI.

FreeBSD is a hell of a lot easier to set up as a = server
you can trust, without chewing your fingers = off.

Jamie

On 2001.04.04 17:19 Drew J. Weaver wrote:
> Just an off = topic note here, FreeBSD, BSDi/OS and RedHat are all
> of
> equal "difficulty" to administer, I = run all 3 and none of them make me
> shiver in my boots. Not sure what point you're = attempting to make here?
>
> --- quoth the raven, ---
>
> Everybody should start with a *nix running on a = publicly accessable box.
> (Note: Linux doesn't count here, except = possibly really old versions of
> Slackware. Damned RH makes things too easy. No = X either - CLI, people!)
>
> = ________________________________________________________________________=
>
> Chet Hosey
> <chosey@nidhog.com>
> = ________________________________________________________________________=
>
> On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Bill Vermillion = wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 05:45:48PM +1000, = Enno Davids thus spoke:
> >
> > > | > Is there any way to trace who = is doing it? | > Running tcpdump
> > > with certain filter settings to avoid = logging everything and
> > > filling the disk?
> >
> >
> > > | Dont bother... Just install the = fixed version of bind...
> > > | Every kid with a script and an = internet connection is probably
> > > | doing this to you!!!
> >
> > > This response kind of bothers me. = There was a time
> > > when everytime I could sanely trace = spammers I emailed
> > > abuse@wherever.was.relevant to advise = them. Similarly, when people
> > > probed Apache I'd send off adivsory = emails.
> >
> > If you find a way this works let me = know. I've given up doing this
> > because except for the most well known, = I've received rejects from
> > all mail addresses at the offending = provider, root,abuse,
> > postmaster, webmaster, etc. So I = just gave up and put the in
> > the REJECT list.
> >
> > Those days responsible people, and not = quick buck artists, we're
> > keeping the 'net running.
> >
> > > There was a time when if you probed = the Apache on my machine it
> > > winnuke'd you back. Moral issues = aside, there _was_ a great deal
> > > of satisfaction there... Needless to = say, there's little mileage
> > > in this now (damned M$ service = packs!). :)
> >
> > I never was into 'revenge' or = 'tit-for-tat'.
> >
> > Bill
> > --
> > Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . = com
> >
> > To Unsubscribe: send mail to = majordomo@FreeBSD.org
> > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" = in the body of the message
> >
>
>
> To Unsubscribe: send mail to = majordomo@FreeBSD.org
> with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the = body of the message
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> =       &am= p;nbsp; Just an off
> topic note here, FreeBSD, BSDi/OS and RedHat = are all of equal
> "difficulty" to administer, I = run all 3 and none of them make
> me shiver in my boots. Not sure what point = you're attempting to make
> here?
>
> --- quoth the = raven, --- 
> 
>
> Everybody should = start with a *nix running on a publicly
> accessable box.
> (Note: Linux = doesn't count here, except possibly really
> old versions of
> Slackware. = Damned RH makes things too easy. No X either
> - CLI, people!)
> 
>
> ____________________________________________________________= ____________
> 
>
> Chet = Hosey
> <chosey@nidhog.com>
> ____________________________________________________________= ____________
> 
>
> On Wed, 4 Apr = 2001, Bill Vermillion wrote:
> 
>
> > On Wed, = Apr 04, 2001 at 05:45:48PM +1000, Enno
> Davids thus spoke:
> >
> > = > | > Is there any way to trace who is doing
> it? | > Running = tcpdump
> > = > with certain filter settings to avoid logging
> everything and
> > = > filling the disk?
> >
> >
> > = > | Dont bother... Just install the fixed
> version of bind...
> > = > | Every kid with a script and an internet
> connection is probably
> > = > | doing this to you!!!
> >
> > = > This response kind of bothers me. There was a
> time
> > = > when everytime I could sanely trace spammers I
> emailed
> > = > abuse@wherever.was.relevant to advise them.
> Similarly, when people
> > = > probed Apache I'd send off adivsory
> emails.
> >
> > If you = find a way this works let me know. 
> I've given up doing this
> > because = except for the most well known, I've
> received rejects from
> > all = mail addresses at the offending provider,
> root,abuse,
> > = postmaster, webmaster, etc.  So I just gave up
> and put the in
> > the = REJECT list.
> >
> > Those = days responsible people, and not quick buck
> artists, we're
> > keeping = the 'net running.
> >
> > = > There was a time when if you probed the Apache
> on my machine it
> > = > winnuke'd you back. Moral issues aside, there
> _was_ a great deal
> > = > of satisfaction there... Needless to say,
> there's little mileage
> > = > in this now (damned M$ service packs!).
> :)
> >
> > I never = was into 'revenge' or 'tit-for-tat'.
> >
> > = Bill
> > = --
> > Bill = Vermillion -   bv @ wjv . com
> >
> > To = Unsubscribe: send mail to
> majordomo@FreeBSD.org
> > with = "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the
> body of the message
> >
> 
> 
>
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